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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2024, 04:48:14 PM »
rosarugosa - Like you, when we moved to Oregon, I was excited about the Death with Dignity option.  I even "interviewed" prospective PCP to make sure they were on board when/if the time comes.  Now that I understand the restrictions, even a snowball in Hell would not get approved die early.  As stated, need two doctors to verify the prognosis, be within 6 months of death, and be of sound mind.  Yup - forget dementia patients.

iluvzbeach - Sorry to hear about your experience with your Dad's attempts.  My Dad was an engineer and researched options to death - so-to-speak.  He needed to be absolutely certain the method would work.  It did and there were no complications.  His health issues were extensive (heart, lungs, digestive, failing eyes, dental).  No mental capacity limitations though.  Probably only had a couple of years left and they would not be good years - especially with failing eyesight.  He lived 2 hours away and I could not get him to sell the house and move close to us and he did not want us nearby (afraid I would be a "hover" son).  He had watched his wife (married 64 years) and father and mother slowly pass away - he wanted no part of it.

I don't know about Oregon, but I do know NY law enforcement aggressively investigates unattended deaths.  If they can prove a loved one helped the deceased take their own life, the loved is probably headed towards jail. This is why Dad stopped talking with me about it - did not want me having any knowledge whatsoever that could land me in jail.

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« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2024, 05:29:24 AM »
Seems best to write a clear will:

If dementia or whatever... happens, I wish to die and the body donated if practical. 

Also important to work on exercises which arguably help to prevent dementia.

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« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2024, 12:58:30 PM »
My mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's a few years ago. Now she's in the mid to moderate stage. She lived with my sister for a year but there was too much stress there so she moved in with my GF and me about 9 months ago. She's mostly pretty easy to deal with but she gets moody and wants to go live with her cousins back in Texas. That's not happening but she gets all worked up about it. The doctor just upped her meds a few weeks ago and her moodiness increased a bit. Not sure if that's a coincidence or side affect but I'm keeping a journal so we can look back for any clues. I'm all about dropping the Alzheimer's med at this point. What's to prolong? Confusion? Frustration?

She goes to adult daycare 3 days a week and seems to have a good time. Sometimes she's a little stressed but mostly not. $90 a day is money well spent for getting her out of the house and around other people and giving me time to get stuff done.

I'm not a caregiver so at some point she's going to have to go into a facility or get round the clock care. She's got Medicare but not Medicaid (yet). She's paying me to take care of her but at some point I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not sure what the options are but the doctor offers classes that we will be going to in a few weeks.

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« Reply #103 on: July 28, 2024, 08:58:56 AM »
A few members of my Library Board took a tour of a Library in Palo Alto last Friday. We are planning some updates to one of ours, and this one was built in the same era, and remodeled by the architect who built our city's newer library.

While touring, I noticed a kiosk for people with dementia and their caregivers. Each bag was labeled with a decade and the items inside (music, games, toys, books) were from that era. The librarian, who is a recent transplant from FL, thought it had been purchased with a grant, which means there must be more of them out there. If anyone else has seen such a thing, please LMK. The proposed structural updates will be years in the making, but we can implement this kiosk right away.

I'll post a picture when I have more time.

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« Reply #104 on: July 28, 2024, 10:41:28 AM »


A few members of my Library Board took a tour of a Library in Palo Alto last Friday. We are planning some updates to one of ours, and this one was built in the same era, and remodeled by the architect who built our city's newer library.

While touring, I noticed a kiosk for people with dementia and their caregivers. Each bag was labeled with a decade and the items inside (music, games, toys, books) were from that era. The librarian, who is a recent transplant from FL, thought it had been purchased with a grant, which means there must be more of them out there. If anyone else has seen such a thing, please LMK. The proposed structural updates will be years in the making, but we can implement this kiosk right away.

I'll post a picture when I have more time.

My library has memory kits. They sound similar to what you are describing. They are from a company called MEternally. I can ask if they used special grant money to purchase them.

https://meternally.com/

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« Reply #105 on: July 28, 2024, 11:27:41 AM »
At what point do people generally sign up for Medicaid? As soon as they get a diagnosis? When their funds run out?

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« Reply #106 on: July 28, 2024, 12:43:30 PM »
A few members of my Library Board took a tour of a Library in Palo Alto last Friday. We are planning some updates to one of ours, and this one was built in the same era, and remodeled by the architect who built our city's newer library.

While touring, I noticed a kiosk for people with dementia and their caregivers. Each bag was labeled with a decade and the items inside (music, games, toys, books) were from that era. The librarian, who is a recent transplant from FL, thought it had been purchased with a grant, which means there must be more of them out there. If anyone else has seen such a thing, please LMK. The proposed structural updates will be years in the making, but we can implement this kiosk right away.

I'll post a picture when I have more time.

 The libraries I worked in had “remembering Kits” as far back as 30 years ago. These were commercially available and sound similar to the ones you’re talking about. Each one was a themed bag that contained objects intended to stimulate conversation and memories about various life issues such as trains, Holiday celebrations, children, etc.

I see from purusing nearby library collections  there are “memory kits” in the same vein.
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« Reply #107 on: July 28, 2024, 01:14:44 PM »
At what point do people generally sign up for Medicaid? As soon as they get a diagnosis? When their funds run out?

As I understand it, Medicaid generally requires the individual to spend down their assets.  I believe the level of assets are individual by state, are quite low (only a few thousand dollars), and may exclude home equity.  There are also various spousal protections.

There's also something called Medicaid recovery, which is where Medicaid goes after an estate for reimbursement of expenses.

Finally, there are Medicaid trusts and strategies where people try to avoid the above rules.  People vary in their views on the ethics of these ideas.

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« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2024, 05:24:28 PM »
Generally speaking the "look back" period is 5 years for recovery.  This is important because one other option is creating an irrevocable trust (in which individual no longer controls the assets they put in the irrevocable trust) and does not count towards Medicaid qualification levels.

A Medicaid annuity, one of the strategies that secondcor references, does not require a 5 year look back.  Instead, if I understand it correctly, the annuity can be established even after the individual does into memory care/assisted living, and Medicaid will begin once a Medicaid application is submitted (and approved) showing the asset value is below the qualifying level.  It might take a few months for everything to clear, but far better than paying $8-10K/month for a long time.  The annuity payouts go to someone other than the person in MC/AL, and period specific duration (usually 10 years).

For more info - https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/eligibility-by-annuity/.

Even within households, couples disagree about this.  I despise spending down assets I have worked hard for 50 years to obtain.  DW however, thinks differently.

The important piece of this is not which is right or wrong - it is knowing all the options available so the decision being made is the best one for you/person impacted. 


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« Reply #109 on: July 30, 2024, 10:40:19 AM »
FYI...Just a note on average costs for caregiving with moderate to severe dementia.

We just got updated estimates for my Dad's full time care at home for the next year. It is currently costing about 220K per year for him to be cared for full time at home, in a very small town (about 10K people). Local area nursing homes run about 140-160K per year.

How does anybody afford something like that?

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« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2024, 03:29:46 PM »
FYI...Just a note on average costs for caregiving with moderate to severe dementia.

We just got updated estimates for my Dad's full time care at home for the next year. It is currently costing about 220K per year for him to be cared for full time at home, in a very small town (about 10K people). Local area nursing homes run about 140-160K per year.

How does anybody afford something like that?

You save for it.  You have a paid off home. The average nursing home stay iirc is about 3 years so an average priced home in my hcol area would pay for about 6.5 years at 150K a year.  You also quit caring whether or not you have anything left for others to inherit. 

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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2024, 06:39:19 PM »
FYI...Just a note on average costs for caregiving with moderate to severe dementia.

We just got updated estimates for my Dad's full time care at home for the next year. It is currently costing about 220K per year for him to be cared for full time at home, in a very small town (about 10K people). Local area nursing homes run about 140-160K per year.

How does anybody afford something like that?

You spend down your assets, you sell the house and spend those assets, then you go on Medicaid (or whatever government paid for care applies if non-US). Or you burden your family with your care. Or you end up on the street. Or you waste away with inadequate care in a deteriorating house. Etc, etc, etc. Plenty of real life examples of how dementia care goes down.

When dementia is in play, dying really does become the best, kindest outcome. For everyone.

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« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2024, 06:53:42 PM »
On a slightly cheerier note, I've been in a major Alz. medical study at UCSF for about four years. It re-starts every five years. I joined the study late, so it's rollover time. I spent last week getting an MRI, a PET scan, doing cognitive testing, and lab work. Still to come, another PET scan, a lumbar puncture (optional this cycle), and more cognitive testing and labs. It's my hope if it doesn't help me, it'll help others down the road.

If you want to know more, and possibly join the study, Google "ADNI4".

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« Reply #113 on: August 05, 2024, 11:32:49 AM »
FYI...Just a note on average costs for caregiving with moderate to severe dementia.

We just got updated estimates for my Dad's full time care at home for the next year. It is currently costing about 220K per year for him to be cared for full time at home, in a very small town (about 10K people). Local area nursing homes run about 140-160K per year.

How does anybody afford something like that?

You spend down your assets, you sell the house and spend those assets, then you go on Medicaid (or whatever government paid for care applies if non-US). Or you burden your family with your care. Or you end up on the street. Or you waste away with inadequate care in a deteriorating house. Etc, etc, etc. Plenty of real life examples of how dementia care goes down.

When dementia is in play, dying really does become the best, kindest outcome. For everyone.


Correct. 

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« Reply #114 on: August 05, 2024, 11:50:17 AM »
So we've hit a new and unfortunate 'wrinkle' with Dad.  Throughout his entire life up until dementia set in, he reiterated over and over and over that he did not want to linger in any state of notable 'helplessness' and that the state he is currently in was the worst thing he could imagine.

Until he reached old age/dementia, he also said over and over that he expected to die quickly or that if he was deteriorating he would kill himself rather than live that way.

He and his then wife had longstanding documents for DNR and explicitly forbidding extraordinary measures to be taken in the event of a heart attack/stroke/etc wherein recovery to good health was unlikely.

Of course, when he did start mentally and physically declining, he did not in fact kill himself (and that is understandable and not a surprise; it's easier to believe you will do that than do it) though he had suicidal ideation for a long time.

So this was all very straightforward in terms of us sticking with palliative care only once he started progressing in terms of dementia and helplessness; and my sister who is his guardian and power of health care decision making thus made sure to follow those long established principles upon his dementia diagnosis.

UNTIL 3 months ago, when he had to be admitted to the hospital for a few days, and they had to question him as to his DNR wishes. Did he want the 'full code' treatment if he flatlined/stroked out during his stay? My sister was not present for this (she lives 4 hours from him) but his longstanding care-giver said he was in a window of being fairly cogent when they asked him. He said he wanted them to do everything possible to bring him back if he flatlined or stroked out.

So now, legally, we have to consider whether to change his DNR and establish a desire for full-code intervention no matter what.

It's absolutely awful, b/c I cannot believe that if he truly understood what he was asking for, or the likely outcomes of it, that he would want that if he were in his right mind. However, legally we do need to abide by his clearly stated wishes. And of course, people are 100% allowed to change their minds.

So now my sister is going to try to meet with his doctor and get a more accurate picture of the possible health outcomes (bad) of full code resuscitation, so that she can then try to clarify to my dad what he is actually asking for, and have him clarify. But honestly, with someone with dementia, how can we really know?

UGH, this sucks so much.
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« Reply #115 on: August 05, 2024, 12:34:51 PM »
Wenchsenior - I know what I would do.  First, consider what your father's health issue was 3 months ago.  I think hospitals now are required to ask you your DNR wishes when admitted to the hospital no matter your health or the routine nature of your admission.  If your father was admitted for something non-life threatening I can understand him choosing "full code" even though he thinks DNR is the right decision in the long run.
I would work on the assumption that he made a decision on an individual hospital but that he still wants to be DNR in the bigger picture.

INAL but I think once he is no longer able to make a decision, it is your sister's call.  Period.  I personally would not make a Big Deal about the one off decision he made 3 three months ago.

A lot of studies have been done on resuscitation outcomes in hospitals.  Only 20% or so of patients who get resuscitated ever leave the hospital.  It's an even smaller percentage who have a normal life after discharge and/or are alive a year later.

 

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« Reply #116 on: August 05, 2024, 12:41:16 PM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.


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« Reply #117 on: August 05, 2024, 01:33:30 PM »
@wenchsenior, sorry for your situation.  My Dad completed some pretty specific forms with some pretty specific verbiage back when he was competent.  We also had some specific conversations with him about his wishes.

Now that he's entering the grey zone where it's not clear if he can rationally articulate his wishes any more, we've shifted as a family to doing what we think is best for him knowing what his wishes were before he got to this point.  He's locked in his choices, so to speak.

Of course it is extremely hard to decide if your loved one is past the point of deciding for themselves, and taking that step of taking over control is very hard too.  One thing that was a bit of an indicator for us is when he started making decisions that we know "earlier Dad" would not have agreed with.  Thankfully our Dad was pretty consistent and insistent on his wishes.  If someone's opinion varied more over time, I think the decisions might have been more difficult.

And no matter how well you think you're prepared, there are always going to be gray areas that require your best judgment.

For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

In my Dad's case, not really.  By the time things get bad enough to where a person with that sort of opinion (which includes my Dad probably) would want to follow through, things are already bad enough to where they are not capable of following through.  There's negative chronological overlap, I think.

It might help to know someone's wishes at some point were heading that direction in order to make care decisions when the person no longer can.

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« Reply #118 on: August 05, 2024, 02:32:01 PM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

In my Dad's case, not really.  By the time things get bad enough to where a person with that sort of opinion (which includes my Dad probably) would want to follow through, things are already bad enough to where they are not capable of following through.  There's negative chronological overlap, I think.

It might help to know someone's wishes at some point were heading that direction in order to make care decisions when the person no longer can.

This has been our family's experience as well.  Once a year or so, a moment or a few hours of lucidity, where our loved one realizes they're suffering from dementia and what the family has been and will be doing to look after them.  Particularly the caregiving spouse.  But not enough capacity to do anything more than express sadness.

From observation, there is a wide gap between what people say they would be unwilling to tolerate when they are in good health, and what they will try to hold onto when the alternative is death.  With personal understanding and compassion I rather assume this change of heart will be the default than the exception.

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« Reply #119 on: August 05, 2024, 03:08:20 PM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

In my Dad's case, not really.  By the time things get bad enough to where a person with that sort of opinion (which includes my Dad probably) would want to follow through, things are already bad enough to where they are not capable of following through.  There's negative chronological overlap, I think.

It might help to know someone's wishes at some point were heading that direction in order to make care decisions when the person no longer can.

This has been our family's experience as well.  Once a year or so, a moment or a few hours of lucidity, where our loved one realizes they're suffering from dementia and what the family has been and will be doing to look after them.  Particularly the caregiving spouse.  But not enough capacity to do anything more than express sadness.

From observation, there is a wide gap between what people say they would be unwilling to tolerate when they are in good health, and what they will try to hold onto when the alternative is death.  With personal understanding and compassion I rather assume this change of heart will be the default than the exception.

That has been our experience as well.

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« Reply #120 on: August 05, 2024, 09:02:16 PM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

Read Amy Bloom's "In Love: a memoir of love and loss".  Her husband did exactly that.  It is possible.  You need to still be of sound mind and physically able to travel to Switzerland and drink the drug cocktail. 

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« Reply #121 on: August 05, 2024, 09:15:25 PM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

Read Amy Bloom's "In Love: a memoir of love and loss".  Her husband did exactly that.  It is possible.  You need to still be of sound mind and physically able to travel to Switzerland and drink the drug cocktail. 

There's also this film, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7397292/
you can watch on Amazon. I knew Linda over 40 years ago.

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« Reply #122 on: August 05, 2024, 09:19:05 PM »
My inlaws had multiple DNRs and repeatedly expressed their wishes. FIL died rather suddenly. MIL had been on the dementia path for quite some time, but it only became obvious after FIL died. Her DNR was getting old, so her healthcare provider wanted a new one. When asked, she insisted she wanted anything and everything done to prolong her life. Total 180. We protested to the hospital that she was no longer of sound mind, but she had been cogent when she had repeatedly signed DNRs over the years.

They sent a nurse to our home for an interview. They finally concluded that they would honor the existing DNR, but damn, is was a PITA.

Make sure your loved ones documents are less than ten years old.

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« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2024, 05:26:32 AM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

Read Amy Bloom's "In Love: a memoir of love and loss".  Her husband did exactly that.  It is possible.  You need to still be of sound mind and physically able to travel to Switzerland and drink the drug cocktail.

I was going to make the same recommendation.  It seems like there is a pretty narrow window where one is of sound enough mind to decide and capable of executing, post-diagnosis.

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« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2024, 04:37:49 PM »
Was it the Ozempic? 
If so, it’d be the 3rd person I heard of with neuro/cognitive side effects from that. Medications, infections & nutrient deficiencies can all mimic dementia.

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« Reply #125 on: August 07, 2024, 09:23:43 AM »
For all of you with loved ones with dementia--was there ever a time when the person fully appreciated what was happening to them but still had the capacity to follow through with something like Dignitas? I'm just wondering whether such a thing is ever actually possible in reality.

In my Dad's case, not really.  By the time things get bad enough to where a person with that sort of opinion (which includes my Dad probably) would want to follow through, things are already bad enough to where they are not capable of following through.  There's negative chronological overlap, I think.

It might help to know someone's wishes at some point were heading that direction in order to make care decisions when the person no longer can.

This has been our family's experience as well.  Once a year or so, a moment or a few hours of lucidity, where our loved one realizes they're suffering from dementia and what the family has been and will be doing to look after them.  Particularly the caregiving spouse.  But not enough capacity to do anything more than express sadness.

From observation, there is a wide gap between what people say they would be unwilling to tolerate when they are in good health, and what they will try to hold onto when the alternative is death.  With personal understanding and compassion I rather assume this change of heart will be the default than the exception.

That has been our experience as well.

Same. When my mother has a lucid period (ever shorter lately) she becomes very sad and cries alot. It takes a toll on her and my father. I witnessed one of these episodes.

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« Reply #126 on: August 07, 2024, 09:25:48 AM »
Was it the Ozempic? 
If so, it’d be the 3rd person I heard of with neuro/cognitive side effects from that. Medications, infections & nutrient deficiencies can all mimic dementia.

All I can do as a layperson is wonder... That's the problem with any new medication. We just don't know for many years how it affects people.

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« Reply #127 on: August 07, 2024, 02:25:08 PM »
Was it the Ozempic? 
If so, it’d be the 3rd person I heard of with neuro/cognitive side effects from that. Medications, infections & nutrient deficiencies can all mimic dementia.

All I can do as a layperson is wonder... That's the problem with any new medication. We just don't know for many years how it affects people.

GLP-1 drugs have been around since 2005.  Here's a study published this June in that showed a reduced risk of dementia in a study of 88k Type 2 patients taking GLP-1 drugs for up to 10 years.

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« Reply #128 on: August 08, 2024, 10:59:23 AM »
Oof! The decline continues. Worry about our father now. Not dementia but simple fatigue. Questionable decision making. Had along talk with my sibling who seems very anxious about all this.

Father is doubling down on several topics (inaction) rather than moving forward with at least planning. Has left our mother at home alone a couple of times telling me about one instance and my sibling about another (maybe both, not sure). Alone for an hour each time. "She'll was fine." This after in previous months she tried to walk away from the house a few times.

Won't consider adult daycare or hiring a home assistant who could sit with our mother while father does his errands. Despite sibling doing the homework for him. Just pick up the phone and call. We're offering and he's being "Dad" and calling us off b/c he tells us we're too busy. Uh, I'll be the judge of when I'm busy or not.

Mother has had an episode (he told my sibling) where our mother walked outside to him (doing a chore) asking where she was, and who she was... She was better later.

Then apparently he walked in on her while she was getting dressed (per SOP for them for 50+ years I'm sure). Except she doesn't know who he is these days... Naturally she was mortified and screamed. I don't think he was doing anything inappropriate just probably not thinking about the consequences of his actions in this situation... Fortunately she doesn't remember now though I would not be surprised if that left a vague sense of dread in her mind connected to him.

I'll sit with her Saturday so he can unwind with old friends. And the following week my sibling and I are planning to push him into progress on a few of our punchlist items - facility tours and a meeting with a lawyer to get POA. Get the homework done so that when the need arises - we can just do what needs doing.

I reminded sibling that at some point our mother won't be able to take care of her own personal needs and I (male) nor my father will be able to help her. I don't think anyone had thought about that.

I feel like we are standing on railroad tracks staring down an approaching freight train. Inaction.

My father seems to think that this situation will plateau and she'll be manageable.

And she has been a little more manageable lately but she can no longer make food and won't eat anything he makes. And now, she is getting to a point where she won't go with him to fetch carryout or similar. And yet, he isn't doing anything. 

He needs to coddle her a little. Let's make the coffee together. Let's make the dinner together... Let's do the childish activities together (I took her coloring books and puzzles) b/c she can't get started by herself.

Not seeking answers today. Just venting.

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Just Joe {{hugs}}  You have my sympathy.  It's hard as a spouse and I'm sure it's hard as a child. 

A couple of things that might help with her getting out the house.  Cover the door knob with a cloth (out of sight, out of mind).  Add a second lock at a different level (will try the old knob, but not perceive the new one).  Add a dark rug in front of the door (may be perceived as a hole).  I haven't needed to try any of these; however, there were suggestions by the Alzheimer's Association.   

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« Reply #130 on: August 08, 2024, 11:52:14 AM »
Thank you Catbert!

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Assuming the exterior doors open inward, these flip locks work great. I think most use them to keep kids in, but we used them on an interior door to keep a cat from accessing an off limits room.  We actually attached it with thick mounting tape to avoid screw holes, and removed it later with no damage.

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Oof! The decline continues. Worry about our father now. Not dementia but simple fatigue. Questionable decision making. Had along talk with my sibling who seems very anxious about all this.

Father is doubling down on several topics (inaction) rather than moving forward with at least planning. Has left our mother at home alone a couple of times telling me about one instance and my sibling about another (maybe both, not sure). Alone for an hour each time. "She'll was fine." This after in previous months she tried to walk away from the house a few times.

Won't consider adult daycare or hiring a home assistant who could sit with our mother while father does his errands. Despite sibling doing the homework for him. Just pick up the phone and call. We're offering and he's being "Dad" and calling us off b/c he tells us we're too busy. Uh, I'll be the judge of when I'm busy or not.

Mother has had an episode (he told my sibling) where our mother walked outside to him (doing a chore) asking where she was, and who she was... She was better later.

Then apparently he walked in on her while she was getting dressed (per SOP for them for 50+ years I'm sure). Except she doesn't know who he is these days... Naturally she was mortified and screamed. I don't think he was doing anything inappropriate just probably not thinking about the consequences of his actions in this situation... Fortunately she doesn't remember now though I would not be surprised if that left a vague sense of dread in her mind connected to him.

I'll sit with her Saturday so he can unwind with old friends. And the following week my sibling and I are planning to push him into progress on a few of our punchlist items - facility tours and a meeting with a lawyer to get POA. Get the homework done so that when the need arises - we can just do what needs doing.

I reminded sibling that at some point our mother won't be able to take care of her own personal needs and I (male) nor my father will be able to help her. I don't think anyone had thought about that.

I feel like we are standing on railroad tracks staring down an approaching freight train. Inaction.

My father seems to think that this situation will plateau and she'll be manageable.

And she has been a little more manageable lately but she can no longer make food and won't eat anything he makes. And now, she is getting to a point where she won't go with him to fetch carryout or similar. And yet, he isn't doing anything. 

He needs to coddle her a little. Let's make the coffee together. Let's make the dinner together... Let's do the childish activities together (I took her coloring books and puzzles) b/c she can't get started by herself.

Not seeking answers today. Just venting.

very, very similar situation w my MIL and FIL.  It's hard to be someone who plans ahead and sees the train coming head on.  We are also watching total inaction and resistance to getting outside help and it's very frustrating.  There will be a crisis at some point...I guess we're just going to have to wait until it's a dire emergency.

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« Reply #133 on: August 08, 2024, 09:04:39 PM »
Help at home can be cheaper than a move to a facility and enable her to stay home for longer. We were able to keep my Mom at home all the way to the end because I had hired help. No judgement at all for families who must make a different choice.

I found aides thru agencies and word of mouth referrals. We tried them out slowly, before it was absolutely essential, just so she’d get used to them. First few times were invites to family meals for socializing & hanging out, getting to know them. It helped that my family is large and ethnically & racially mixed, so whomever we’d have would look like a relative and not appear foreign no matter where they were from. We had 3 helping us cover round-the-clock. Friends of mine have used live-in, which might work out to be cheaper. Look now. Someone you know will know someone and people are always looking for their next client.

I believe staying in familiar surroundings (same bed, same bedroom, same bathroom) added to her happiness & peace. She was far easier to manage than her siblings who went into facilities and wound up being moved around a bit. Even when she couldn’t articulate needing to go to the bathroom, there was some muscle memory, as if she moved on autopilot.
Her siblings, in contrast, got depressed & agitated, had pneumonia and experienced isolation during lockdown in their facilities. They spent months in diapers. For mom, she was in pull-ups and she was managing herself; only needing to be lifted to a commode and have someone manage intimate cleaning the last week or so. You will be able to do whatever is necessary, just as your mother once did for you.

For POA & Healthcare proxy, have a back-up assigned. And get this for Dad now, too. And yourselves. My mother outlived her 2 oldest children who died after her dx of dementia. Had there not been a back-up for mom, it would have been a mess. I was knee deep in that mess b/c my sibling had no one named for himself. When he could no longer advocate for himself, Medicaid told me we could have a hearing in 30 business days and then I could be appointed, but in the meantime, we could not access his homecare benefits and I simply had to pay out of pocket. He died before the hearing ever happened.  But for mom, the paperwork was all in order. We still paid for her care, she didn’t qualify for Medicaid, but we could readily access her money for everything Hospice didn’t cover.

For mom’s primary care doctor, we had a concierge practice. It was around $4000/year and they came to the house every month, available by text and responsive to phone calls. They didn’t take insurance, but could order all tests to be done at home and billed thru Medicare. This was so much easier than trying to get her into a vehicle and into a doctor’s office at a prescribed time. There will be days when you (or your dad) feel like you’re trying to direct a 5 foot toddler who has zero incentive to cooperate. One less thing to stress over is a relief.  Obvs, not everyone can pay for this, but that was less than the cost of 2 weeks in my Aunt’s assisted living. Absolutely worth it to me. All told, between the aides for 16 hours/day, concierge doctor and general expenses to maintain Mom’s house, we spent just over half of what assisted living expenses would have been in a Memory care unit.

Mom lived 5 1/2 years after dx. But she wasn’t as far along as your mom sounds from what you described. Everyone’s disease will progress at a different pace. Eventually my mom lost a considerable amount of weight and she was referred for hospice. I think the tipping point was how little she was eating and the circumference of her bicep. The hospice service provided an aide for 1 hour each week. They would also provide 2 weeks respite care in a nursing home if we’d wanted it. Never used it. All the hospice agencies are different, and we could have shopped around a bit more.  They’re all going to provide supplies & medications. But their other offerings vary. It’s impossible to know this beforehand. Talk to folks. Like with the aides, look now. Get references before your father is fully on-board. I’d recommend having an elder companion come in and sit with her once a week for 4 hours while Dad goes out and meets with friends or goes to the gym, runs errands. Maybe a person who comes over and does her hair? Brings a dog for her to visit?

My CavalierKingCharles/Corgi mix dog was a highlight in my mom’s day and at the nursing homes where her siblings were. An infinitely patient dog who loved everybody, he always improved the mood. Babies have a similar effect. One of our aides often brought her toddler to work and she brightened the whole house.

Mom lived on Honey-nut Cheerios and Blueberry-Pomegranate Ensure for a longtime. The former is easy for toddlers & dementia patients to eat and not choke on. The Ensure became the “house Red” and was served in a wine glass. It’s the best flavor. All the others are nasty IMO.  Swallowing reflex is affected by dementia. Eventually the appetite goes, too. But before that, they don’t know how to eat some things. There may be weeks of eating pudding or applesauce or things that don’t need a lot of chewing. Dramatic drop in protein intake is the beginning of the end. This happens to all mammals at the end of a natural lifespan. They just don’t want as much to eat because they don’t need it where they’re going. They don’t show signs of being in pain or discomfort for lack of food. We kept tasty things available and spoon fed her ice cream & sorbet when she couldn’t remember how to use a spoon. But eventually her body will be ready to go. Whatever you will have done will have been exactly right. Don’t doubt yourself. Take care of you & your Dad.


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« Reply #134 on: August 08, 2024, 10:47:54 PM »
Assuming the exterior doors open inward, these flip locks work great. I think most use them to keep kids in, but we used them on an interior door to keep a cat from accessing an off limits room.  We actually attached it with thick mounting tape to avoid screw holes, and removed it later with no damage.
These are great. We put them up high where MIL couldn't see or reach them. She just accepted that the door didn't open.

However, MIL used to go to the garage door and lock it, effectively locking DH, who was puttering in the garage, out of the house. He learned never to go out to the garage without his keys, phone, or both.

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« Reply #135 on: August 09, 2024, 12:13:51 AM »
I am grateful for this thread, but these stories are really hard to read. It is such a cruel thing.

My husband's aunt has also been diagnosed- i was suspecting it for a while. She wouldn't recognize her grandson and got confused about her son's name last time we saw her. The family is very quiet about it, so we all pretend that we don't know. Mom's best friend also has Alzheimer's- she can barely communicate by now and  mom is never sure she knows who she is talking to. They started going downhill around the same time, but obviously they have different versions.

For us my mom's illness became easier to manage once we accepted it is nothing shamefull, it is simply a horrible illness. It is difficult to navigate it as she is still expressing her wishes and opinions...and we can't fight everything. Keeping her safe is our first priority. Keeping her comfortable would be great, but it is challenging... she refused a new comfortable bed, from what she doesn't fall off easily, hates the walker (insists on 2 walking sticks), refuses to get in the wheelchair even though walking is difficult  and other dementia related nonsense. Incontinence is becoming a huge problem, but it is a losing battle. Ie can't get to the loo on time because of limited mobility but refuses to wear pads. Not sure what to do about it, we can't force her, but the current situation is very distressing for everybody.

I am trying to get them a carer every day, currently somebody comes in twice a week, mostly to keep her company and give my father a break.

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« Reply #136 on: August 09, 2024, 01:47:57 AM »
It's so nice of all you guys to help your loved ones with this. Even if they don't recognise your help (or you) Im sure it eases their burden greatly. As a person without kids or any younger family members I often wonder what happens to people who don't have anyone to help them with all this -  or even a person in their life (a friend or other?) who would recognize their decline. I imagine, once you were very bad off and wandering the streets lost, the courts would take over and assign you a guardian to oversee your health and finances. I know we talked about that here before and there were some real horror stories out there. So who advocates for the miserable single childless crazy cat ladies out there when here's no family? 

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« Reply #137 on: August 09, 2024, 04:35:37 AM »
I often wondered about this. I have a 77 yr old childless spinster catlady godmother (sorry for the wording, but it describes her perfectly) who lives alone in a village with a population of about 36....she recently got hit by a car, and in the end it was somebody from the church who organized a spot in a nursing home for her, but she was alone in hospital for days until she got well enough to contact somebody. My mother (with dementia who lives miles away) organized their other friend who lives in the village (with advanced Alzheimer's) to go and feed her cats. True story.

I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?

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« Reply #138 on: August 09, 2024, 09:01:21 AM »
I often wondered about this. I have a 77 yr old childless spinster catlady godmother (sorry for the wording, but it describes her perfectly) who lives alone in a village with a population of about 36....she recently got hit by a car, and in the end it was somebody from the church who organized a spot in a nursing home for her, but she was alone in hospital for days until she got well enough to contact somebody. My mother (with dementia who lives miles away) organized their other friend who lives in the village (with advanced Alzheimer's) to go and feed her cats. True story.

I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?
IDK. Probably setting up things before you even get sick, injured or dementia. Sick and injured you could probably advocate for yourself but based on the stories here dementia is a long slide downward that you may not even recognise happening. And if no family, friends, neighbors or others to recognise it happening it could have a pretty dire outcome. I think getting into retirement community would be helpful as you'd have others around you but seems like a lot of older people won't do that and want to stay in their home and then, once dementia hits, can no longer make the decision to move.  So sad.


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« Reply #139 on: August 09, 2024, 09:24:52 AM »
Assuming the exterior doors open inward, these flip locks work great. I think most use them to keep kids in, but we used them on an interior door to keep a cat from accessing an off limits room.  We actually attached it with thick mounting tape to avoid screw holes, and removed it later with no damage.

I have those on an outside door at my house that we never enter through. Upper and lower locks. Great idea with a very low cost. Low cost upgrade: use longer screws than the ones supplied.

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« Reply #140 on: August 09, 2024, 09:35:01 AM »
It's probably been mentioned before, the Alzheimer's Association has a wealth of free information:

www.alz.org

800.272.3900 helpline open 24/7 staffed by very knowledgeable people

There may also be caregiver support groups in your and your dad's area.  Generally they meet monthly.  In my area most are in person, but some are online.  Most are general caregiver groups, but some focus on early onset, children as caregivers, or language other than English.

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« Reply #141 on: August 09, 2024, 10:01:12 AM »
Oof! The decline continues. Worry about our father now. Not dementia but simple fatigue. Questionable decision making. Had along talk with my sibling who seems very anxious about all this.

Father is doubling down on several topics (inaction) rather than moving forward with at least planning. Has left our mother at home alone a couple of times telling me about one instance and my sibling about another (maybe both, not sure). Alone for an hour each time. "She'll was fine." This after in previous months she tried to walk away from the house a few times.

Won't consider adult daycare or hiring a home assistant who could sit with our mother while father does his errands. Despite sibling doing the homework for him. Just pick up the phone and call. We're offering and he's being "Dad" and calling us off b/c he tells us we're too busy. Uh, I'll be the judge of when I'm busy or not.

Mother has had an episode (he told my sibling) where our mother walked outside to him (doing a chore) asking where she was, and who she was... She was better later.

Then apparently he walked in on her while she was getting dressed (per SOP for them for 50+ years I'm sure). Except she doesn't know who he is these days... Naturally she was mortified and screamed. I don't think he was doing anything inappropriate just probably not thinking about the consequences of his actions in this situation... Fortunately she doesn't remember now though I would not be surprised if that left a vague sense of dread in her mind connected to him.

I'll sit with her Saturday so he can unwind with old friends. And the following week my sibling and I are planning to push him into progress on a few of our punchlist items - facility tours and a meeting with a lawyer to get POA. Get the homework done so that when the need arises - we can just do what needs doing.

I reminded sibling that at some point our mother won't be able to take care of her own personal needs and I (male) nor my father will be able to help her. I don't think anyone had thought about that.

I feel like we are standing on railroad tracks staring down an approaching freight train. Inaction.

My father seems to think that this situation will plateau and she'll be manageable.

And she has been a little more manageable lately but she can no longer make food and won't eat anything he makes. And now, she is getting to a point where she won't go with him to fetch carryout or similar. And yet, he isn't doing anything. 

He needs to coddle her a little. Let's make the coffee together. Let's make the dinner together... Let's do the childish activities together (I took her coloring books and puzzles) b/c she can't get started by herself.

Not seeking answers today. Just venting.

very, very similar situation w my MIL and FIL.  It's hard to be someone who plans ahead and sees the train coming head on.  We are also watching total inaction and resistance to getting outside help and it's very frustrating.  There will be a crisis at some point...I guess we're just going to have to wait until it's a dire emergency.

I hope that for us both - you and me - that we can work past this inaction. It is maddening.

New self-assigned task tomorrow when I am in their town: drive around with my mother and explore food options. Dad's preferred solution is to go for a long drive. Drive 50+ miles at times to get lunch and see the sights. Except Mom is to a point where she doesn't want to go anywhere with this strange man. Not sure she'll go with me - which is perfectly fine.

He won't go to one local option b/c he says it is too expensive - while he puts another 15 gallons of gas in their car... ;)
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« Reply #142 on: August 09, 2024, 10:27:22 AM »
Assuming the exterior doors open inward, these flip locks work great. I think most use them to keep kids in, but we used them on an interior door to keep a cat from accessing an off limits room.  We actually attached it with thick mounting tape to avoid screw holes, and removed it later with no damage.
These are great. We put them up high where MIL couldn't see or reach them. She just accepted that the door didn't open.

However, MIL used to go to the garage door and lock it, effectively locking DH, who was puttering in the garage, out of the house. He learned never to go out to the garage without his keys, phone, or both.

We have keys hidden in the garage for that reason. Will be testing/copying keys this weekend and making sure I have a full set to keep in my car going forward. I have some old keys at my house to check - they may still work. I'll make a set for my sibling.

If Dad thinks he can "wing it" great but I don't have the mental bandwidth to do that. I need all the "tools" to be in place "in my kit" so if it is 3 or 5 or 12 weeks from now that I need them, I don't need to trust that Dad didn't move them for some reason.

If he leaves the house and my mother with me - then I don't have to rely on a conversation we had weeks ago to still be valid. I don't want to break a window to access her - and scare her to death b/c some man is coming into the house through a window. Or some strange man is hanging around the outside of the house looking in on her (me waiting for my Dad to return checking on her safety and avoiding breaking a window). Not to mention the dangers of her fighting back with a kitchen knife. Nightmare material.

Let's be honest. I'm old enough that crawling through a window not be fun on the best of days. 

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« Reply #143 on: August 09, 2024, 10:28:54 AM »
We kept tasty things available and spoon fed her ice cream & sorbet when she couldn’t remember how to use a spoon. But eventually her body will be ready to go. Whatever you will have done will have been exactly right. Don’t doubt yourself. Take care of you & your Dad.

Thank you! Lots of detail. I have copied this and added it to my notes to share with my sibling. We have a patient old dog my mother loved in the past but surely has forgotten. Maybe she will go with me tomorrow for the visit.

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« Reply #144 on: August 09, 2024, 10:34:42 AM »
I often wondered about this. I have a 77 yr old childless spinster catlady godmother (sorry for the wording, but it describes her perfectly) who lives alone in a village with a population of about 36....she recently got hit by a car, and in the end it was somebody from the church who organized a spot in a nursing home for her, but she was alone in hospital for days until she got well enough to contact somebody. My mother (with dementia who lives miles away) organized their other friend who lives in the village (with advanced Alzheimer's) to go and feed her cats. True story.

I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?

I think recognizing the glide path early enough to reorganize your life while you have to ability to do so rather than reacting to a series of emergencies later.

That's what my sibling and I are trying to do but my father is hanging on tight to the status quo. Even if we could make the plans and choose the places now - but not utilize them until later we would feel better.

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« Reply #145 on: August 09, 2024, 10:57:09 AM »
I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?
Save a shit ton of money and move into a continuing care community before you need it.  That's my (childless) plan.  The harder part is to get DH to agree.

We recently moved my 89 year old mother into a senior living apartment.  She loves it there but the microwave is different, and the TV is different, and she has a difficult time with names (duh).  I think a year earlier would have made for an easier adjustment.

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« Reply #146 on: August 09, 2024, 10:57:35 AM »
I think recognizing the glide path early enough to reorganize your life while you have to ability to do so rather than reacting to a series of emergencies later.

That's what my sibling and I are trying to do but my father is hanging on tight to the status quo. ...

I so recognize this state of being, wanting to be proactive and hopefully ease the burden on one (or both!) parent(s) sooner than later.  But the only argument / persuasive case that moved my dad (literally) was hearing under current policy with mom's dementia he had to move with her sooner than later (when he could still support her), to a living situation he did not view as suitable for him.  (Assisted living--meals, laundry, cleaning supports, with additional medical services available to hire.)  If he had waited they might have had to be separated.  They had over 6 years together in the suite (where he continues to reside).

As for considering the next step, her moving to long-term memory care facilities (he could not manage her hygiene issues), he was aware of the looming necessity for, and dreading, that step.  Instead, she sadly caught covid and passed in 2022.  (First exposure we know of, despite mult. vaxx, because of her compromised cardiac system.)

We were shocked (but not surprised) at how much younger dad looked (mid-eighties), and how quickly, once he was not fretting about and caring for her...

I do know at some point all us siblings agreed that older adults still get to make their own decisions, despite our judgment of their quality. 

It's a really tough situation; being armed with the best information about what steps can be taken and what systems exist to support those, under a number of scenarios, is about the best you can do if your parents won't be swayed / move.

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« Reply #147 on: August 09, 2024, 11:38:29 AM »
Help at home can be cheaper than a move to a facility and enable her to stay home for longer. We were able to keep my Mom at home all the way to the end because I had hired help. No judgement at all for families who must make a different choice.

I found aides thru agencies and word of mouth referrals. We tried them out slowly, before it was absolutely essential, just so she’d get used to them. First few times were invites to family meals for socializing & hanging out, getting to know them. It helped that my family is large and ethnically & racially mixed, so whomever we’d have would look like a relative and not appear foreign no matter where they were from. We had 3 helping us cover round-the-clock. Friends of mine have used live-in, which might work out to be cheaper. Look now. Someone you know will know someone and people are always looking for their next client.

I believe staying in familiar surroundings (same bed, same bedroom, same bathroom) added to her happiness & peace. She was far easier to manage than her siblings who went into facilities and wound up being moved around a bit. Even when she couldn’t articulate needing to go to the bathroom, there was some muscle memory, as if she moved on autopilot.
Her siblings, in contrast, got depressed & agitated, had pneumonia and experienced isolation during lockdown in their facilities. They spent months in diapers. For mom, she was in pull-ups and she was managing herself; only needing to be lifted to a commode and have someone manage intimate cleaning the last week or so. You will be able to do whatever is necessary, just as your mother once did for you.

For POA & Healthcare proxy, have a back-up assigned. And get this for Dad now, too. And yourselves. My mother outlived her 2 oldest children who died after her dx of dementia. Had there not been a back-up for mom, it would have been a mess. I was knee deep in that mess b/c my sibling had no one named for himself. When he could no longer advocate for himself, Medicaid told me we could have a hearing in 30 business days and then I could be appointed, but in the meantime, we could not access his homecare benefits and I simply had to pay out of pocket. He died before the hearing ever happened.  But for mom, the paperwork was all in order. We still paid for her care, she didn’t qualify for Medicaid, but we could readily access her money for everything Hospice didn’t cover.

For mom’s primary care doctor, we had a concierge practice. It was around $4000/year and they came to the house every month, available by text and responsive to phone calls. They didn’t take insurance, but could order all tests to be done at home and billed thru Medicare. This was so much easier than trying to get her into a vehicle and into a doctor’s office at a prescribed time. There will be days when you (or your dad) feel like you’re trying to direct a 5 foot toddler who has zero incentive to cooperate. One less thing to stress over is a relief.  Obvs, not everyone can pay for this, but that was less than the cost of 2 weeks in my Aunt’s assisted living. Absolutely worth it to me. All told, between the aides for 16 hours/day, concierge doctor and general expenses to maintain Mom’s house, we spent just over half of what assisted living expenses would have been in a Memory care unit.

Mom lived 5 1/2 years after dx. But she wasn’t as far along as your mom sounds from what you described. Everyone’s disease will progress at a different pace. Eventually my mom lost a considerable amount of weight and she was referred for hospice. I think the tipping point was how little she was eating and the circumference of her bicep. The hospice service provided an aide for 1 hour each week. They would also provide 2 weeks respite care in a nursing home if we’d wanted it. Never used it. All the hospice agencies are different, and we could have shopped around a bit more.  They’re all going to provide supplies & medications. But their other offerings vary. It’s impossible to know this beforehand. Talk to folks. Like with the aides, look now. Get references before your father is fully on-board. I’d recommend having an elder companion come in and sit with her once a week for 4 hours while Dad goes out and meets with friends or goes to the gym, runs errands. Maybe a person who comes over and does her hair? Brings a dog for her to visit?

My CavalierKingCharles/Corgi mix dog was a highlight in my mom’s day and at the nursing homes where her siblings were. An infinitely patient dog who loved everybody, he always improved the mood. Babies have a similar effect. One of our aides often brought her toddler to work and she brightened the whole house.

Mom lived on Honey-nut Cheerios and Blueberry-Pomegranate Ensure for a longtime. The former is easy for toddlers & dementia patients to eat and not choke on. The Ensure became the “house Red” and was served in a wine glass. It’s the best flavor. All the others are nasty IMO.  Swallowing reflex is affected by dementia. Eventually the appetite goes, too. But before that, they don’t know how to eat some things. There may be weeks of eating pudding or applesauce or things that don’t need a lot of chewing. Dramatic drop in protein intake is the beginning of the end. This happens to all mammals at the end of a natural lifespan. They just don’t want as much to eat because they don’t need it where they’re going. They don’t show signs of being in pain or discomfort for lack of food. We kept tasty things available and spoon fed her ice cream & sorbet when she couldn’t remember how to use a spoon. But eventually her body will be ready to go. Whatever you will have done will have been exactly right. Don’t doubt yourself. Take care of you & your Dad.

This is all great advice. ETA: Esp the dog thing. My dad loves one of his caregivers' dogs, even though he was pretty anti-dog for many years prior.

Re: bolded, we found the opposite. Full time at home care was a LOT more expensive than a nursing home (I just posted numbers a few days ago... ~150/yr for nursing homes in the region, as opposed to >200K/yr for in home care).

I wonder if this is a regional thing?

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« Reply #148 on: August 09, 2024, 11:39:09 AM »
I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?
Save a shit ton of money and move into a continuing care community before you need it.  That's my (childless) plan.  The harder part is to get DH to agree.

We recently moved my 89 year old mother into a senior living apartment.  She loves it there but the microwave is different, and the TV is different, and she has a difficult time with names (duh).  I think a year earlier would have made for an easier adjustment.
Or FIRE young, blow all your money and then go on Medicaid once you are unable to care for yourself - or find a younger spouse/partner who'll do all the caregiving!

I've had very little exposure to dementia but my Dads second wife - who was about 7 years older then him - was starting to in her 80s (her mom had it). Mostly the Sundowners version. She passed away from another disease before she experienced the worst of it but my younger Dad did the caretaking until the end. My parents were both cognitively (and physically) fine until the end of their lives but passed in their late 70s (one from cancer and other from an aortic anyurism so might have been different once older.

Also I've watched a lot of PBS type shows about various types of dementia and how it manifests differently. It seems some people recognise that something is wrong with their cognitive function and can put themselves in a better situation beforehand. Others seem to be totally unable to recognise they are having issues and blame everyone else for their issues and won't get help because they don't feel THEY have any problem.
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« Reply #149 on: August 09, 2024, 11:44:26 AM »
I am not sure what a solution for this situation is. Maybe moving to a retirement village when one is still able to make decisions? What are your thoughts? I often see frail, obviously unwell old people doing the shopping and i wonder about their background. Are they too proud or too stubborn to admit defeat and move into assisted living?
Save a shit ton of money and move into a continuing care community before you need it.  That's my (childless) plan.  The harder part is to get DH to agree.

We recently moved my 89 year old mother into a senior living apartment.  She loves it there but the microwave is different, and the TV is different, and she has a difficult time with names (duh).  I think a year earlier would have made for an easier adjustment.

This is my plan as well. Also don't know if DH will agree...he wants to spend his old age AWAY from other people, so is lobbying hard to move out of town/to a very small town with few long term care options... I would prefer to live that way as well, but practically speaking with my mother aging and in our care, and our own aging on the horizon, I do wonder if I'll live to really regret that plan.