Author Topic: Is thrifting going down hill?  (Read 4438 times)

Seadog

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 268
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Halifax, NS
Is thrifting going down hill?
« on: March 07, 2019, 03:00:04 PM »
I'm curious what others' opinions are, but in mine, particularly in Canada over the last 5 years, thrfting has started to lose a lot of it's appeal, with deals being harder and harder to come by, alongside some truly outrageous pricing for medium to high end things which sit for a year and counting, which is a shame, because if they were priced reasonably, I would have bought - to the loss of both me and the store.

I think there are a few reasons. One is that it's become overrun by big for-profit centres like Value Village. Thrifting has almost become popular, whereas 20 years ago it was relegated to the poors and had a bit of stigma attached.

This results in prices rising with demand, along with all the good stuff (I've even seen 1/4 Oz pieces of 14k gold jewellery donated) going to these best known places leaving true charity shops like Salvation army with scraps.

Secondly the internet. Anything that has a remote air of value to it I'm pretty sure people search the internet for a price, because many of these stores are run by nice old ladies who's circles of knowledge are basically knitting and cats. I've seen old computer games from 20 years ago for $75, 12 yo car GPS systems for $100, and VCRs or video recorders less functional than a cell phone for like $25. This results in the ignorant feeding off the ignorant to everyone loss. What I mean, is that there was a chain email circulating claiming old Disney films like Aladdin were worth thousands of dollars,  (https://www.mtlblog.com/news/canada/your-old-disney-vhs-movies-could-be-worth-more-than-dollar9000) and they then go on to quote ebay listings at $9k (with no bids), which results in others listing their old tapes, to the detriment of everyone. When you use the internet as your pricing guide, you're stuck referencing people who think that TVs and other electronics should appreciate just like wine. 

That said, I have found a few gems, but they are for very specific obscure things (like high end optics or clothes) where the value/quality is mostly from the producer, so unless you know those off the top of your head or are searching for every single brand as it comes in, they may think the Zeiss binos are the same as the plastic bushnells, and the Canalli dress shirt is the same as the walmart brand.

Frankies Girl

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3899
  • Age: 86
  • Location: The oubliette.
  • Ghouls Just Wanna Have Funds!
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 04:07:27 PM »
Thrift store hunting is a HUGE hobby of mine. I've been doing it for years, just in the last 2 gotten really into it.

I don't really see a major issue with the quality of my hunts in my area. Don't see it online either. I track Goodwill's online shopping auction site and it tends to be pretty good about putting out the cool/vintage/potentially valuable stuff in addition to just normal day-to-day stuff for pennies on the dollar.

I have made some stellar purchases, and there's tons of things I had to talk myself out of due to not really needing/having room for them. OMG the absolutely perfect midmod arm chair with lovely oatmeal nubby fabric for $15. Sigh.

I think it was mentioned elsewhere on this forum about how the Kondo phenom coupled with the whole "millenials hate antiques" trope means there are enormous amounts of antiques/furnishings/china/silver/smalls out there now. I don't know the Canadian thrift scene, but I would guess it's quite similar - I would think it would stay steady as long as you live in a large enough city to have a good amount of rich/bored upper middles or folks that don't do old/like to redecorate/refresh their house/wardrobe/etc.

And one of my things to live by: it never hurts to ask. Things you're seeing that are overpriced and left sitting for months/year? Ask the store manager if they'd possibly consider taking X on that thing. Worst they'd say is no and you can just tell them you'll ask them in another month or two just in case it still hasn't sold and they might like it out of their inventory. Asked politely and with a friendly demeanor tends to spark a nice conversation where they just might decide to dump that thing for your price, or at least think about it after you've gone and might be on the lookout for your offer the next time. Prices aren't set in stone at thrift stores as far as I've seen, and I have had very good luck asking about things myself.

I myself don't bother worrying if what I bought is a specific rare/valuable brand/label. It just a happy accident when I discover that (happened with a signed artist's proof I got last year), but so far I am not thrifting to resell, so I could see how that could be a pain if you run into the Ebay effect where everyone thinks their item is worth a billion dollars just because some stupid article mentioned it . But I also have no problems googling things in store if I'm curious to see what they're selling for. Thing is, everyone could do this. The staff at the store should be doing it, but the sheer volume means they depend on pickers and sorters with a good eye or a good hunch... and LOTS of stuff still slips through. Just recently had a convo with one woman that hunts books exclusively and she uses an app that scans barcodes and pulls up value/sales instantly on her phone. Really cool.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 04:11:21 PM by Frankies Girl »

LoanShark

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 128
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 08:22:54 PM »
Just natural supply and demand. Lots of demand results in higher prices.

Freedomin5

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 6545
    • FIRE Countdown
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 08:44:11 PM »
Been thrifting every summer when I go home to Canada. I've found that the large chain thrift stores in the city tend to be pretty picked over, but there are a few locations and smaller thrift stores that still get good stuff. We were pleasantly surprised by the thrift store in Owen Sound (small city way north of Toronto) that had some Amazing stuff. There's also another thrift store in a wealthier suburb full of upper middle class retirees that get good donations and have decent prices. Prices are typically $5 to $20 for clothing, depending on the style, quality, and condition of the clothing.

calimom

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1364
  • Location: Northern California
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 10:31:52 PM »
OP, just by observing some of the other threads you've started/posted on here, it seems like you have a deep concern that someone, somewhere is getting a better than you are. On something. Government benefits, tips at a golf course, cheaper crap at a thrift shop.You worry about others finding fault with MMM's general message.  In you mind THEY ARE ALL WRONG.

Try to dial back, if you can, your feelings about the perceived entitlement of others. You'll be happier. If that's possible.

marble_faun

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 643
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 11:37:35 PM »
Flippers have made a science of identifying items at thrift stores that they can re-sell for more online.  And now the thrift stores themselves have caught on to these strategies. They are raising prices and listing things online so that they can realize the profits.

Another issue is that goods are made with worse and worse materials.  MDF in place of wood.  Acrylic in place of wool.  Furniture and clothes aren't made to last anymore.  Ten years ago, thrift stores seemed full of strange and wonderful things that seemed indestructible  -- maybe a grandma couch with a wagon wheel print, or a velvety lamp with tassels.  Now I walk in, and it's basically a warehouse of cheap plastic objects and sagging particle board shelves. Maybe people can't afford to donate away the actual good stuff anymore, or the good stuff was too quickly snatched up by flippers.  But in any case, the quality isn't there.

AnnaGrowsAMustache

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1941
  • Location: Noo Zilind
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2019, 05:53:14 PM »
I've been thrifting for decades, and selling a lot of it online in the last decade. I find that things go through phases of popularity, and therefore the prices kind of wax and wane. Crystal was very popular during the whole shabby chic thing, but it's worthless now. Mid century furniture has always had a market but the prices are out of sight now, and art deco furniture is not really popular. I remember when Carltonware was the thing, but now you couldn't give it away. It's just changes in fashion. There will always be a market for quality, but things change. You have to keep on top of it. These days you'll get more for a Pottery Barn classic than you will from a tasseled lamp. That could change next by next year!

AnnaGrowsAMustache

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1941
  • Location: Noo Zilind
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2019, 05:55:05 PM »
OP, just by observing some of the other threads you've started/posted on here, it seems like you have a deep concern that someone, somewhere is getting a better than you are. On something. Government benefits, tips at a golf course, cheaper crap at a thrift shop.You worry about others finding fault with MMM's general message.  In you mind THEY ARE ALL WRONG.

Try to dial back, if you can, your feelings about the perceived entitlement of others. You'll be happier. If that's possible.

Whoa. Judgey much??

deek

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 453
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 11:44:10 AM »
I took up thrifting just in the last 3 months or so. I go to like 2 or 3 different stores and have made a pretty good chunk doing it. It's become easy to know what to look for, but I don't go in expecting any huge finds, and maybe get pleasantly surprised. I've found a a couple things I like that I kept, which is nice (I love cheap clothes that look good).

My most recent hit was an $8 Albert Pujols Russell Athletic Authentic Sewn Jersey. Will probably sell it for 50-75. I love this stuff!
« Last Edit: March 11, 2019, 12:45:06 PM by deek »

StarBright

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3276
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 12:11:34 PM »
I don't try to flip stuff but I have found thrifting to be very area dependent.

I currently live in an area that has a lot of resale/consignment shops for women and kids. The thrift stores here are pretty awful. There is also a huge garage sale culture here. Why donate stuff when you can make a few bucks off of it? I turn my kids clothes in to the kids consignment seasonally, get a few bucks back, and turn around spend it on the new season's clothes. It works out great! I pay less, a business makes money, people have jobs, we aren't hurting the earth by buying new products, etc.

The area where my mom lives has very few consignment shops and great thrifting! Also, Craigs List is way better for furniture and large pieces in a few areas where I've lived, absolutely sucked and was overpriced in one area, and I've found that estate sales are really where it is at in the area where I currently live.

I also just used Poshmark for the first time this week. I was looking for a very specific style of item, didn't want to spend hundreds retail, but didn't want to buy a poorly used item on Ebay. If the item is in decent condition I will have gotten a great deal on it.

mm1970

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 10935
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 01:27:37 PM »
I don't try to flip stuff but I have found thrifting to be very area dependent.

I currently live in an area that has a lot of resale/consignment shops for women and kids. The thrift stores here are pretty awful. There is also a huge garage sale culture here. Why donate stuff when you can make a few bucks off of it? I turn my kids clothes in to the kids consignment seasonally, get a few bucks back, and turn around spend it on the new season's clothes. It works out great! I pay less, a business makes money, people have jobs, we aren't hurting the earth by buying new products, etc.

The area where my mom lives has very few consignment shops and great thrifting! Also, Craigs List is way better for furniture and large pieces in a few areas where I've lived, absolutely sucked and was overpriced in one area, and I've found that estate sales are really where it is at in the area where I currently live.

I also just used Poshmark for the first time this week. I was looking for a very specific style of item, didn't want to spend hundreds retail, but didn't want to buy a poorly used item on Ebay. If the item is in decent condition I will have gotten a great deal on it.
My neighbor turned me on to Poshmark.  She's been selling a ton of stuff of hers and her kids.  She likes nice things...but had too many nice things.

She was telling me so that I could sell some stuff.  Alas, I've donated everything.  I never really was into "stuff", but for awhile, I bought nice quality clothing.  After baby #2, about half the shirts did not fit - most too small (my shoulders and ribcage got broader), and one item too big (bought it for holiday party right after giving birth).  All the other stuff that still fits, I still wear.

I did have fun looking through the clothing there.  There's a particular size/style of jeans that I like and that fit well.  Plenty of people are selling them for $20-30.  Which would be exciting, except I own 3 pairs of jeans and I don't need any more.

I don't like thrifting because I just want to find what I want and get out.

Kaybee

  • Stubble
  • **
  • Posts: 131
  • Location: Alberta
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 07:39:27 AM »
I’ve noticed the pricing has gone up (to the point of being unreasonable at times) but I don’t mind too much.  When I see a used item priced at what it sells for new, I can opt to buy it anyways (which I did with an Ikea pitcher) or buy it new (which I did for a travel alarm clock...back in the days when I bought travel alarm clocks, lol).

I thrift to save money but also to reduce my environmental impact and although a 20$ pair of used jeans might be more than the $13 pair I bought last year, it’s still much less than the $80+ pairs available at the mall.  It might take a bit more patience and thrift store visits for me to find what I’m looking for but I haven’t given up on thrifting yet. :)

Seadog

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 268
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Halifax, NS
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 06:09:33 PM »
OP, just by observing some of the other threads you've started/posted on here, it seems like you have a deep concern that someone, somewhere is getting a better than you are. On something. Government benefits, tips at a golf course, cheaper crap at a thrift shop.You worry about others finding fault with MMM's general message.  In you mind THEY ARE ALL WRONG.

Try to dial back, if you can, your feelings about the perceived entitlement of others. You'll be happier. If that's possible.

Absolutely! Thank you for the accolades. Not "they are all wrong!" but rather, They seem to be getting a great deal, how can I structure my affairs so that I can achieve similar results? If that's not possible, why not? I'm somewhat contemptuous of people getting great scores for no reason other than fortuitous circumstance, in much the same way Warren Buffet derides rich folks giving huge windfalls to their kids, merely because they were lucky enough to come out of a certain birth canal.

Though, your tone does seem a little off for what I assume is complimentary. A cynic might take the way you wrote that message as harshly derisive.

Seadog

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 268
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Halifax, NS
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 06:38:05 PM »
Flippers have made a science of identifying items at thrift stores that they can re-sell for more online.  And now the thrift stores themselves have caught on to these strategies. They are raising prices and listing things online so that they can realize the profits.

Another issue is that goods are made with worse and worse materials.  MDF in place of wood.  Acrylic in place of wool.  Furniture and clothes aren't made to last anymore.  Ten years ago, thrift stores seemed full of strange and wonderful things that seemed indestructible  -- maybe a grandma couch with a wagon wheel print, or a velvety lamp with tassels.  Now I walk in, and it's basically a warehouse of cheap plastic objects and sagging particle board shelves. Maybe people can't afford to donate away the actual good stuff anymore, or the good stuff was too quickly snatched up by flippers.  But in any case, the quality isn't there.

There was a finance podcast about people who did this, and one problem is a lot of the stuff is low liquidity, so in order to get decent income and sell-through, you need to have hundreds if not thousands of items in rotation, and for me I generally try to keep a bit of a minimalist tack.

In short I'm looking for things that I would be happy to keep forever, but also if need be could sell for at least what I paid. I feel the spirit of thrift/yard sales is to generate limited money, while primarily getting rid of stuff relatively quickly.

A perfect example was a still in the package router/table I came across at a yard sale. Wood working has always a side hobby, and delving into cabinets *might* be something I get into at some point in the next few years. If I could get something for 20 cents on the dollar of new I'll bite, put it in storage, and if I use it great, if not it should probably at least hold it's value. But this guy wanted 85% of new, and had the home depot ad showing the current price.

My whole point was that unless someone comes to this yard sale, who just happened to be intent on buying this specific router, this weekend, and is literally going to home depot right after to buy it otherwise, then that isn't really a deal. If you have time flexibility you could just wait till a decent sale comes up at home depot, and get it truly new with warranty and return privileges for the same price, as opposed to like new but really several years old with none of that.

Especially with yard sales I think sellers have time sensitivity. Presumably you're selling because you want to declutter, or your parents died and you're cleaning house. Thrift shops less so, but they still can't have stuff sitting for months on end. In this case, an arbitrage opportunity does exist for people who are less time sensitive, and don't mind holding obscure things for months on end waiting for the right buyer. You don't go to these places if you truly *need* something that day and just hope that exact thing is there. You bite your tongue and pay full retail.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 08:14:48 PM by Seadog »

FIRE Artist

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1071
  • Location: YEG
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 06:56:07 PM »
I went to Value Village before x mas because I needed some things for an art class, I found the prices astonishingly high. $20 for an old electric pancake griddle with the non stick coating flaked off and one broken handle?  $5 for used hardcover book when the library sales here sell the, for $2?

Dicey

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 22421
  • Age: 66
  • Location: NorCal
Re: Is thrifting going down hill?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2019, 04:36:48 PM »
OP, just by observing some of the other threads you've started/posted on here, it seems like you have a deep concern that someone, somewhere is getting a better than you are. On something. Government benefits, tips at a golf course, cheaper crap at a thrift shop.You worry about others finding fault with MMM's general message.  In you mind THEY ARE ALL WRONG.

Try to dial back, if you can, your feelings about the perceived entitlement of others. You'll be happier. If that's possible.

Whoa. Judgey much??
Dunno, did you read the posts @calimom is referring to? In my experience, her advice is usually spot on.