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Credit Card Rewards Questions
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:25:59 AM »
I just got the Discover It card a couple of months ago and I see that there are discover deals. Does anyone have any tips for how to earn cashback quickly/efficiently? Also, I would love to cash some in for some rewards in the future for travel and I want to make the most of this. Does anyone have any tips/ tricks to make the most of this? I see that some items offer an extra $20 on every $80 spent on gift certificate.

Also, what are the best credit cards with rewards pertaining to airfare and hotels, etc? Thanks so much!

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 11:02:29 AM »
This is an area ripe for the picking, and its not terribly hard.

You must do the following.

1.  Choose the right credit cards to apply for.
2.  Figure out how to meet spending requirements withoout acually increasing your spending (manufactured spending)
3.  Take advantage of category bonuses and spending opportunities.
4.  Redeem your rewards intelligently.

It sounds like a lot but its pretty easy to maximize this pursuit in a month or 2.

If you have any specific questions about any of the above  I'd be happy to address them here.

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 06:24:47 PM »
For cash back, you'll want to look into manufactured spending.

But the biggest bonuses are in signup offers. Cards that offer 50000 airline miles if you spend 3000 in 3 months. Those miles are good for about 2 roundtrip domestic flights. Still might need to manufacture spending if your regular bills won't let you reach that threshhold.

Look at the points guy and travel hacking cartel.

IMO the best offers are from chase, citi, maybe Barclays. Not much bang for your buck with discover.

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 07:52:52 PM »
Yes, to echo the others, the bang for your buck will be the sign up bonus points/miles/cash.  If your credit is good and you use them intelligently, it's fairly easy to get bonuses worth several thousand dollars a year. 

If you use Mint to track your spending, it has a credit card offer section (that's one way they profit, by recommending credit cards to you).  Another site which I use to search for card deals is nerdwallet.com.

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Re: Credit Card Rewards Questions
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 09:52:34 AM »
I prefer cards that give you 'goods back'.  In other words, a card affiliated with a supermarket that lets you trade points for groceries.  From my experience, these are better than either cash back cards or air mile cards.  Here's why:

Airmile cards obviously have limited use.  They are also well known to be almost impossible to determine the value of the points.  A flight may cost $500 on one airline and $100 on another airline.  What is the flight worth?  Other than the sign up bonus that might get you a flight, ongoing use of them has limited value that you can't even calculate.

Cash cards are easy to determine value for and of course cash can be used for anything.  If 1000 points gets you $1, that's it.  However, how many points you get per $1 spent is what you then have to pay attention to and what % of $1 spent that translates to you getting back.  This is where they are not as good as 'goods back' cards.

Our supermarket affiliated Master card pays 2% on all purchases in the supermarket chain plus on their gas pumps.  It also pays 1% on all other purchases made anywhere using the card.  Besides the 2% on gasoline at their pumps, they also reduce the pump price by 4 cents.  A kind of double dipping at the pumps.

I do not know of any cash back card that can meet those 2% + 1% returns on spending.  Some may think that you are limited to then spending on groceries.  That is true however it is right pocket vs. left pocket you have to consider.  If you get $500 off groceries you buy then that is $500 in your bank account that is still there to spend on anything you want.  Since groceries are something you always have to buy, there is no problem spending the points at any time which means they are totally redeemable at any time unlike airmiles and equal to cash back.

If you think about it, to give you $1 cash back costs the card provider $1.  If a supermarket card gives you $2 in groceries it does not cost them $2 to buy those groceries.  Therefore it is obvious that they can give you a better deal than a cash back card provider can.  In fact, giving you $2 or even $4 will cost them less than $1.

Not all are created equal obviously.  I checked a new card being offered recently by a competing supermarket chain and compared it to our existing card.  Instead of 2% +1%, all they were offering was .047% and only on instore purchases.  So don't get fooled by the 1000 points for every $1 spent or 50,000 point sign up bonus.  The question is how much money will it put in your pocket per year.

Credit card churning by the way (sign up for bonus, take advantage and then stop using and go on to sign up for another card) will negatively affect your credit score.   




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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 10:11:05 AM »
Credit card churning by the way (sign up for bonus, take advantage and then stop using and go on to sign up for another card) will negatively affect your credit score.

This is objectively false.  The act of churning itself is generally a net positive.  When you churn, you take small hits for the hard credit inquiries and the shortened average age of accounts.  You get a major bump *up* by increasing overall credit available. 

What churning is *not* is ignoring cards once you've opened them.  You should either be putting some spend on the cards at least quarterly, or closing them as soon as you can avoid a clawback of points.

Anecdotally, my score was in the low 700s when I started churning.  It is now in the low 800s, and saw quick increase within a month of me beginning to churn.

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015, 10:15:29 AM »

I prefer cards that give you 'goods back'.  In other words, a card affiliated with a supermarket that lets you trade points for groceries.  From my experience, these are better than either cash back cards or air mile cards.  Here's why:

Airmile cards obviously have limited use.  They are also well known to be almost impossible to determine the value of the points.  A flight may cost $500 on one airline and $100 on another airline.  What is the flight worth?  Other than the sign up bonus that might get you a flight, ongoing use of them has limited value that you can't even calculate.

Cash cards are easy to determine value for and of course cash can be used for anything.  If 1000 points gets you $1, that's it.  However, how many points you get per $1 spent is what you then have to pay attention to and what % of $1 spent that translates to you getting back.  This is where they are not as good as 'goods back' cards.

Our supermarket affiliated Master card pays 2% on all purchases in the supermarket chain plus on their gas pumps.  It also pays 1% on all other purchases made anywhere using the card.  Besides the 2% on gasoline at their pumps, they also reduce the pump price by 4 cents.  A kind of double dipping at the pumps.

I do not know of any cash back card that can meet those 2% + 1% returns on spending.  Some may think that you are limited to then spending on groceries.  That is true however it is right pocket vs. left pocket you have to consider.  If you get $500 off groceries you buy then that is $500 in your bank account that is still there to spend on anything you want.  Since groceries are something you always have to buy, there is no problem spending the points at any time which means they are totally redeemable at any time unlike airmiles and equal to cash back.

If you think about it, to give you $1 cash back costs the card provider $1.  If a supermarket card gives you $2 in groceries it does not cost them $2 to buy those groceries.  Therefore it is obvious that they can give you a better deal than a cash back card provider can.  In fact, giving you $2 or even $4 will cost them less than $1.

Not all are created equal obviously.  I checked a new card being offered recently by a competing supermarket chain and compared it to our existing card.  Instead of 2% +1%, all they were offering was .047% and only on instore purchases.  So don't get fooled by the 1000 points for every $1 spent or 50,000 point sign up bonus.  The question is how much money will it put in your pocket per year.

Credit card churning by the way (sign up for bonus, take advantage and then stop using and go on to sign up for another card) will negatively affect your credit score.

I would direct you to the old blue cash card from Amex that gives you 5% cash back at groceries, drugstores, and gas stations with no cap after your first 6500 in spending.

And your point about churning negatively impacting your credit score is not correct. With every hard to pull on your credit report there is a temporary (1 to 2 months) pullback of about five points in your credit score.this is more than counteracted by the decrease in your credit utilization ratio as your credit available swells with more credit cards.

As an anecdotal example, when I started credit card churning a couple years ago my credit score was 760. It is currently 825.

 

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