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I see these great credit card offers:
Spend $3000 in first 3 months, get $1000
spend $7500 in first 3 months, get 75000 miles
(or something like that)

My yearly expenses are $20k/yr, so ~$1700/month.
How do you manufacture spend if you dont own a business?

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Re: Credit card offers: How to manufacture spend if you don't own a business?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2021, 08:53:24 AM »
What card is the spend $3k, get $1k? That sounds much more generous than most cards...

Anyways, some ideas:

  • Prepay for stuff. I prepay my health insurance bill for the year, for instance
  • Buy gift cards that you'll use. Grocery store gift cards, for instance
  • Overpay your taxes using one of the IRS-approved credit card payment processors
  • Time applications around major purchases - appliance, home renovation, whatever

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Re: Credit card offers: How to manufacture spend if you don't own a business?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2021, 09:25:13 AM »
I'm usually fine with 4k/3months spend. The higher ones I've timed them to get them around bigger bills I know I can pay on credit card. Like my car insurance, car registration, car maintenance, and income taxes. If I'm close but think I won't meet the spend I'll prepay my utility bills and pay the 1-3% credit card fee. Once or twice I've used Plastiq to pay my rent but this they don't accept all types of credit cards for rent/mortgage.

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Re: Credit card offers: How to manufacture spend if you don't own a business?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2021, 10:37:39 AM »
You've answered your question in the question.  There is a whole area called "manufactured spending" which has solving the problem you describe as its goal.

The game is always evolving as existing methods get shut down and occasionally new methods are discovered or become available.

A few years ago, for example, I would go to my local Fred Meyer, buy Visa gift cards, then take those gift cards to Walmart to buy a money order, then go to my bank and deposit the money order.  I could then pay back the credit card with my bank account.

It basically was a moderate hassle way to move money in a circle to make it look like you were spending without actually spending.  Depending on the particulars, you could do the above process at a cost of about 1% of the money you were moving in a circle.  Which was well worth it to get the sign up bonuses.

The Walmart loop above is in the process of getting shut down, by the way, so it may or may not work in your area now.

But there are always ways.  If you're interested, just google manufactured spending, pick a forum, and start reading.  They use lots of acronyms and code words in those forums, but if you read enough and google enough you can pick up the lingo.  I think two of the best forums are on flyertalk and reddit.

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2021, 10:45:30 AM »
If your income is anywhere near you spend, you likely won't get approved for these cards because of low income.  I suggestions everyone made are all good ways to get to minimum spend, but really are spend not "manufactured spending'. 

Manufactured spending would involve something like...go to drug store, use new cc to buy Vanilla Visa cards, take Vanilla Visa to somewhere and buy a money order and deposit money ordered in your checking account and pay the credit card bill from your checking account.  Money goes in a circle without really being spent. This not for the faint of heart.  Avenues keep getting closed.  Your drug store might suddenly restrict the buying of Vanilla Visas because they think you're money laundering. Your money order seller might suddenly not sell money orders above XX cost so you'd need multiple visits to different stores.  Or your bank will close your account because their compliance section thinks your banking pattern is suspect.

If you really want to investigate manufactured spending go to the manufactured spending sections of flyertalkforum and/or Reddit.  Much more detailed info, plus stories of people getting burned.

Edited to add:  Sorry I cross posted with Secondcor with essentially the same info.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2021, 10:48:50 AM by Catbert »

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Re: Credit card offers: How to manufacture spend if you don't own a business?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2021, 11:14:58 AM »
What card is the spend $3k, get $1k? That sounds much more generous than most cards...

Anyways, some ideas:

  • Prepay for stuff. I prepay my health insurance bill for the year, for instance
  • Buy gift cards that you'll use. Grocery store gift cards, for instance
  • Overpay your taxes using one of the IRS-approved credit card payment processors
  • Time applications around major purchases - appliance, home renovation, whatever

Careful with that second item on the list. A lot of CC companies do not count gift card purchases toward bonus qualification amount.

As for myself, I pay my home/auto insurance in full once a year. It also helps to have a partner so we can both spend toward each others' cards and time applications and spend windows to maximize our churning capability as a couple. When I'm getting close to a target spend but am stretching, I may buy some nonperishables in bulk (underwear/socks are my go-to since they can be expensive but I'm going to get them at some point anyway. Also bulk nuts and seeds).

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2021, 11:15:42 AM »
Also OP- would you mind sharing what offers you are looking at? Like a previous respondent said, those are some bangin' bonuses.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2021, 01:07:30 PM »
We got our last card right before I had surgery and those bills started rolling in. Previously it has been timing a card around once a year bills or a big planned purchase like furniture, cell phone, laptop, or a vacation.

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2021, 08:17:18 PM »
I've been doing the same as others have noted, mainly putting annual/biennial expenses onto the current bonus card. Car repair/maintenance and inspection/registration renewal, eye exam/prescription lenses, things like that. Groceries tend to make up some of it, sometimes utility bills. Things I'm going to have to pay for anyway.

I have a similarish 30% bonus on spend right now but at 1/3 the size ($300 for $1K 3-month spend). At my small potatoes level, it's a lot easier, haha.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2021, 08:25:39 PM »
You can fund bank accounts as well, if you don't mind keeping track of that kind of stuff. I've been able to manufacture spend several thousand this year just with bank accounts. I've also been dumping off visa gift cards that I bought with no purchase fees when Staples runs deals via buying Swagbucks. Not sure if you dabble in cash back sites.

I do a lot of organic spend as well though these days. It's really the only sure thing. But I am always looking for new clever ways to generate some points and/or meet sign up bonuses.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2021, 08:29:03 PM »
Charitable giving can be a good one. Chase Freedom is offering 5% back right now on PayPal spend, and some of the charities I was going to donate to anyway offer a PayPal option, so that worked out nicely. I've bought a few months of grocery gift cards to clear a threshold too. I've never had a credit card company fail to give me credit for those when I add a gift card on to the same transaction as my usual trip to buy food.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2021, 10:04:20 PM »
Same as everyone mentioned  already,  plus far items. DOC sometimes posts deals for meal kits or beer that are free after rebates. Then there's app based rebates (ibotta etc) that usually have a few free things. Lately with those you get more packaging than food though,  but they do have a few good things sometimes $15 off turkey at Thanksgiving.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2021, 10:19:14 AM »
Almost all mf is dead at this point. Best you can do today is prebuy gift cards where you expect to spend money.

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2021, 10:49:13 AM »
Chase had a big bonus 750 credit for 7000 spending on a business card recently.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2021, 12:31:01 PM »
I just stumbled across this article.  I think it's all been mentioned before but just in case:  https://thepointsguy.com/guide/ways-to-meet-minimum-spending-requirement/.

 


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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2021, 04:21:21 PM »
To add in, I can prepay a couple of things which can be helpful for MS:  health insurance, auto/home/umbrella insurance.  I could also prepay my gym I think, but that's not really that much money so I didn't bother this time.

This time I did also pay my property taxes for the next year with my CC.  There was about a 2% fee, but it was about $1800 and the reward was a 10% one ($400 / $4000, NFCU) so I came out ahead and I'd rather do that than have $2K worth of Visa Gift cards lying around and potentially getting lost.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2021, 04:48:19 PM »
We did this last year (or year before?) and we pre-bought a lot of non perishable food, various household goods, extra pet food, and we also timed it near christmas so gifts and the extra groceries for holiday meals were in these cycles.

We did not do gift cards because those would not be counted toward the spend totals.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2021, 10:10:34 PM »
Gift cards from raise have always counted towards my spend totals.  If I remember to go through Rakuten I get an extra 1% cash back. I usually get some medical bill though so it's rare to have to buy a gift card to meet the spend.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2021, 10:59:24 PM »
What card is the spend $3k, get $1k? That sounds much more generous than most cards...

Anyways, some ideas:

  • Prepay for stuff. I prepay my health insurance bill for the year, for instance
  • Buy gift cards that you'll use. Grocery store gift cards, for instance
  • Overpay your taxes using one of the IRS-approved credit card payment processors
  • Time applications around major purchases - appliance, home renovation, whatever

A few week ago, the Chase sapphire Preferred offered 100k points which to most point hacker are worth more than $1000. I would put Chase points easily at 1.5x which put the 100k points at $1500.

The just expired Southwest offered 100k points for $12k in 12 months which is somewhat equivalent to $3k in 3 months. I also value these 100k Southwest points easily >$1000. Add in the fact that you can get companion pass, this makes the bonus points x2.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2021, 04:59:38 AM »
What card is the spend $3k, get $1k? That sounds much more generous than most cards...

Anyways, some ideas:

  • Prepay for stuff. I prepay my health insurance bill for the year, for instance
  • Buy gift cards that you'll use. Grocery store gift cards, for instance
  • Overpay your taxes using one of the IRS-approved credit card payment processors
  • Time applications around major purchases - appliance, home renovation, whatever

A few week ago, the Chase sapphire Preferred offered 100k points which to most point hacker are worth more than $1000. I would put Chase points easily at 1.5x which put the 100k points at $1500.

The just expired Southwest offered 100k points for $12k in 12 months which is somewhat equivalent to $3k in 3 months. I also value these 100k Southwest points easily >$1000. Add in the fact that you can get companion pass, this makes the bonus points x2.

When chase points are moved to Hyatt you can easily get 3c per point and some of my recent redemptions are as high as 4c

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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2021, 07:36:36 AM »
To add in, I can prepay a couple of things which can be helpful for MS:  health insurance, auto/home/umbrella insurance.  I could also prepay my gym I think, but that's not really that much money so I didn't bother this time.

This time I did also pay my property taxes for the next year with my CC.  There was about a 2% fee, but it was about $1800 and the reward was a 10% one ($400 / $4000, NFCU) so I came out ahead and I'd rather do that than have $2K worth of Visa Gift cards lying around and potentially getting lost.

How did you cc pay your health insurance? When I pay mine (Moda) on their website there's no option for cc payment, only "checking".
I have the same issue with property tax but my county charges 2.5% and the current card I am filling for a sign up bonus (the above-mentioned Chase Ink business) only pays 1% for standard purchases so I didn't do it this time. I have enough business spending at my lumber yard (which charges 2%) to top off as needed for this current bonus, then I'll research a new one. I have a US Bank business card that pays 2% but it's rewards platform is really limited, and it has a $95 yearly fee which hasn't hit yet.

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Re: Credit card offers: How to manufacture spend if you don't own a business?
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2021, 10:14:52 AM »
What card is the spend $3k, get $1k? That sounds much more generous than most cards...

Anyways, some ideas:

  • Prepay for stuff. I prepay my health insurance bill for the year, for instance
  • Buy gift cards that you'll use. Grocery store gift cards, for instance
  • Overpay your taxes using one of the IRS-approved credit card payment processors
  • Time applications around major purchases - appliance, home renovation, whatever

A few week ago, the Chase sapphire Preferred offered 100k points which to most point hacker are worth more than $1000. I would put Chase points easily at 1.5x which put the 100k points at $1500.

The just expired Southwest offered 100k points for $12k in 12 months which is somewhat equivalent to $3k in 3 months. I also value these 100k Southwest points easily >$1000. Add in the fact that you can get companion pass, this makes the bonus points x2.

When chase points are moved to Hyatt you can easily get 3c per point and some of my recent redemptions are as high as 4c

Great minds think alike.
That's all I use my Chase pts for. Southwest and Hyatt.
We've gone to the Hyatt Paris Etoile and it was 15k per night where the price was >500 Euros per night.

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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2021, 10:59:08 AM »
I can usually spend ~$3K on insurance annually (home/auto/umbrella).

My county also allows me to pay property taxes ($6K) on a credit card with a 2.15% fee.  Using signup bonuses on new cards, the 2.15% becomes negligible when the bonuses are 10-30% of spend.

Generally, that means 2 new cards per year and that is about as many cards as I like to do per year anyway.  I've done this for many years with no problems and have accrued ~$10K in Chase and Avios points.

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2021, 11:07:17 AM »
To add in, I can prepay a couple of things which can be helpful for MS:  health insurance, auto/home/umbrella insurance.  I could also prepay my gym I think, but that's not really that much money so I didn't bother this time.

This time I did also pay my property taxes for the next year with my CC.  There was about a 2% fee, but it was about $1800 and the reward was a 10% one ($400 / $4000, NFCU) so I came out ahead and I'd rather do that than have $2K worth of Visa Gift cards lying around and potentially getting lost.

How did you cc pay your health insurance? When I pay mine (Moda) on their website there's no option for cc payment, only "checking".
I have the same issue with property tax but my county charges 2.5% and the current card I am filling for a sign up bonus (the above-mentioned Chase Ink business) only pays 1% for standard purchases so I didn't do it this time. I have enough business spending at my lumber yard (which charges 2%) to top off as needed for this current bonus, then I'll research a new one. I have a US Bank business card that pays 2% but it's rewards platform is really limited, and it has a $95 yearly fee which hasn't hit yet.

I just go to my health insurance website, go to payments, and put in my credit card number, and how much I want to pay.  I can even pay ahead as much as I want to.  I'm sure it varies by health insurance company.  It may not work for you but I mention it because it's a rather large bill for many people and people may not have thought of it as a way to reach spending targets for SUBs.

And yeah, you have to do the math on it always.  The CC I used to pay my property taxes was a new one that I was working on a $400 for $4K signup bonus.  I discovered rather late in the process that they did not credit me for some of my cash-like spending (bank opening deposits).  So if I didn't use it for my property taxes, I would have missed out on the $400 bonus.  So in that case paying the CC fee (which was ~2% IIRC) was worth it to me to (a) get the bonus, (b) get my property taxes done for another year, (c) avoid having to drive to Fred Meyer and Walmart five more times.  But if I were just getting 1% back or whatever, I wouldn't have done it.

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2021, 01:00:34 PM »
You know.    I have business expenses and I've never once thought to put it on a cc to collect rewards.

I should look into that. . .