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Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« on: January 04, 2019, 06:36:26 AM »
I know that there is a lot more that goes into coordinating the Outback Bowl than I can imagine but it is still amazing when I see how much some people are paid for ridiculous things. What really irritates me about this is that the bowl game is for STUDENT-ATHLETES who are only allowed to receive $550 in souvenirs for their efforts.

Kudos to this guy for convincing (read: swindling) the board to pay him this much but I feel that this is just utterly ridiculous.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/he-runs-one-amateur-football-game-per-year-he-makes-more-than-1-million/2018/12/24/80b30450-04a6-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?h_sid=eecd53e5e1-5a96a91f5be1176ab32fbc15&noredirect=on&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_25504&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hive&utm_term=.eab7ac61a335

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Re: Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2019, 08:13:19 AM »
I know that there is a lot more that goes into coordinating the Outback Bowl than I can imagine but it is still amazing when I see how much some people are paid for ridiculous things. What really irritates me about this is that the bowl game is for STUDENT-ATHLETES who are only allowed to receive $550 in souvenirs for their efforts.

Kudos to this guy for convincing (read: swindling) the board to pay him this much but I feel that this is just utterly ridiculous.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/he-runs-one-amateur-football-game-per-year-he-makes-more-than-1-million/2018/12/24/80b30450-04a6-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?h_sid=eecd53e5e1-5a96a91f5be1176ab32fbc15&noredirect=on&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_25504&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hive&utm_term=.eab7ac61a335

His pay has nothing to do with college athlete compensation rules. I don't know why anyone is hung up on this. If folks feel the injustice is player compensation take it up with the NCAA because they're the ones keeping players from being paid. The same goes for his comp, who cares what other bowl coordinators make. He negotiated the deal, the folks paying his salary are happy with his performance and the business makes money.

I find articles bemoaning executive comp for private businesses nothing but jealousy and bitterness personally.

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Re: Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2019, 09:43:33 AM »
I know that there is a lot more that goes into coordinating the Outback Bowl than I can imagine but it is still amazing when I see how much some people are paid for ridiculous things. What really irritates me about this is that the bowl game is for STUDENT-ATHLETES who are only allowed to receive $550 in souvenirs for their efforts.

Kudos to this guy for convincing (read: swindling) the board to pay him this much but I feel that this is just utterly ridiculous.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/he-runs-one-amateur-football-game-per-year-he-makes-more-than-1-million/2018/12/24/80b30450-04a6-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?h_sid=eecd53e5e1-5a96a91f5be1176ab32fbc15&noredirect=on&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_25504&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hive&utm_term=.eab7ac61a335

His pay has nothing to do with college athlete compensation rules. I don't know why anyone is hung up on this. If folks feel the injustice is player compensation take it up with the NCAA because they're the ones keeping players from being paid. The same goes for his comp, who cares what other bowl coordinators make. He negotiated the deal, the folks paying his salary are happy with his performance and the business makes money.

I find articles bemoaning executive comp for private businesses nothing but jealousy and bitterness personally.
You accurately point out that the posts and articles about NCAA compensation, and the compensation of the surrounding ecosystem of bowls, is a hot-button issue because of the lack of compensation for the athletes participating. But I'm not sure why you're handwaving it away. We can't separate the two, anymore than we can separate the wealth of slave owners and the lack of compensation for the slaves. While you could redirect complaints about slave owner wealth toward Congress ("Slave owners were just operating within the laws of the land."), that criticism falls flat, because their wealth is being directly affected by the unpaid labor.

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“The dynamic is basically the same,” Schwarz said. “These bowls generate a ton of revenue, and some of it is unclaimed, and it has to go somewhere.”

The free market wages for these executive level services are higher than they would otherwise be if the bowls had to pay the participants.

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Re: Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2019, 10:02:04 AM »
I know that there is a lot more that goes into coordinating the Outback Bowl than I can imagine but it is still amazing when I see how much some people are paid for ridiculous things. What really irritates me about this is that the bowl game is for STUDENT-ATHLETES who are only allowed to receive $550 in souvenirs for their efforts.

Kudos to this guy for convincing (read: swindling) the board to pay him this much but I feel that this is just utterly ridiculous.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/he-runs-one-amateur-football-game-per-year-he-makes-more-than-1-million/2018/12/24/80b30450-04a6-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?h_sid=eecd53e5e1-5a96a91f5be1176ab32fbc15&noredirect=on&utm_campaign=hive_email_id_25504&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hive&utm_term=.eab7ac61a335

His pay has nothing to do with college athlete compensation rules. I don't know why anyone is hung up on this. If folks feel the injustice is player compensation take it up with the NCAA because they're the ones keeping players from being paid. The same goes for his comp, who cares what other bowl coordinators make. He negotiated the deal, the folks paying his salary are happy with his performance and the business makes money.

I find articles bemoaning executive comp for private businesses nothing but jealousy and bitterness personally.
You accurately point out that the posts and articles about NCAA compensation, and the compensation of the surrounding ecosystem of bowls, is a hot-button issue because of the lack of compensation for the athletes participating. But I'm not sure why you're handwaving it away. We can't separate the two, anymore than we can separate the wealth of slave owners and the lack of compensation for the slaves. While you could redirect complaints about slave owner wealth toward Congress ("Slave owners were just operating within the laws of the land."), that criticism falls flat, because their wealth is being directly affected by the unpaid labor.

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“The dynamic is basically the same,” Schwarz said. “These bowls generate a ton of revenue, and some of it is unclaimed, and it has to go somewhere.”

The free market wages for these executive level services are higher than they would otherwise be if the bowls had to pay the participants.

About one in 50 NCAA football players (2%) will ever go pro, with even less making it long enough to have a career and others going broke.  You can argue about compensation for players and whatever else, but the average college costs (tuition and board) vary from $20,000/year for in state public college students to $50,000 for private (again average).

What would you say is fair compensation for the 98% of athletes who are not good enough to go pro?  Is there a problem with having the 2% subsidize the other 98%, given the other 98% actually allow those who will go pro to prove themselves and grow?  I don't see one.  Maybe look at the big picture.
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Re: Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2019, 10:52:45 AM »
About one in 50 NCAA football players (2%) will ever go pro, with even less making it long enough to have a career and others going broke.  You can argue about compensation for players and whatever else, but the average college costs (tuition and board) vary from $20,000/year for in state public college students to $50,000 for private (again average).
While the numbers is still low, if we limit the pool to just the major conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC), the odds of a college football player making it to the pros are much better...slightly more than one in ten. Since we are talking about bowl games, such a limitation is reasonable.

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We estimate that 3.9% of draft-eligible Division I players were chosen in the 2017 NFL draft (247 / 6,254).  Limiting this calculation to subdivision, 6.9% of FBS players were estimated to be drafted (233 / 3,398), as compared to 0.5% of FCS players (14 / 2,856).  Narrowing further to the five Division I conferences with autonomous governance (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC), we estimate that 11% were drafted (183 / 1,735).  Accounting for Arena League and CFL opportunities, the NCAA to Total Professional figures are estimated as 4.7% for Division I ([247+ 47] / 6,254), 7.9% for FBS ([233 + 34] / 3,398) and 12% for the five autonomous conferences ([183 + 19] / 1,735).
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/football

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2019, 11:41:38 AM »
About one in 50 NCAA football players (2%) will ever go pro, with even less making it long enough to have a career and others going broke.  You can argue about compensation for players and whatever else, but the average college costs (tuition and board) vary from $20,000/year for in state public college students to $50,000 for private (again average).
While the numbers is still low, if we limit the pool to just the major conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC), the odds of a college football player making it to the pros are much better...slightly more than one in ten. Since we are talking about bowl games, such a limitation is reasonable.

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We estimate that 3.9% of draft-eligible Division I players were chosen in the 2017 NFL draft (247 / 6,254).  Limiting this calculation to subdivision, 6.9% of FBS players were estimated to be drafted (233 / 3,398), as compared to 0.5% of FCS players (14 / 2,856).  Narrowing further to the five Division I conferences with autonomous governance (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC), we estimate that 11% were drafted (183 / 1,735).  Accounting for Arena League and CFL opportunities, the NCAA to Total Professional figures are estimated as 4.7% for Division I ([247+ 47] / 6,254), 7.9% for FBS ([233 + 34] / 3,398) and 12% for the five autonomous conferences ([183 + 19] / 1,735).
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/football

Sure, but the school still supports tons of athletes on scholarship that will never sniff a professional roster.  Not to mention the fact that the schools need the money generated to support all their non-revenue generating sports (typically all except football).  What do you think would happen to virtually every women's sport and every male sport except probably basketball if schools had to pay their athletes?

And before head coach salaries are brought up, the difference between a good head coach and a bad one is the difference between the athletic department losing money or profiting.  I'm a University of Florida grad and fan, and over our last decade of mediocrity we've trending down revenue wise - being 3rd in the country in 2009 when we had Urban Meyer, falling to 8th in 2017 (4th in our own conference).  It is still a lot of revenue, but we also have top facilities for non revenue sports such as softball, swimming, track and field, etc...

These athletes, while you could argue they are being taken advantage of, provide the opportunity for nearly every single other athlete on a scholarship to attend school.  And you can't usually argue that, as most college players aren't developed physically enough to play in the NFL until at least Junior year.

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Re: Coordinate one game - earn $1M?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 05:38:18 PM »
So we're comparing kids that get full ride scholarships, luxury dorms, healthcare, tutors, free gear, free food and massive social status to slaves huh?

Arguments can be made the kids should be compensated MORE given the for profit athletic league they're playing in. But let's not act like people aren't lining up to be 'exploited' by this system. And really, the highly paid bowl game coordinator folks are not concentration camp guards. That is misplaced anger.

 

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