So, you’re doing this just to avoid or reduce taxes? That’s a pretty bold move if that’s your only goal. I’m presuming you have a job you can do from anywhere in the world? Have you looked at other options? What about Malaysia? Ideally, if you’re moving, you’d want a combination of tax savings and reduction of living expenses, not an increase. How long would you need to live there to reach FIRE? Are you both prepared for it and sure you won’t be bored?
I also don’t understand how you make so much and can save so much but your actual savings is quite low? Have you been funneling all your money into the house? Why do you need an $800k house in Brisbane if it’s the 2 of you? That place would be a mansion as you can easily get a 2 bedroom for $500k.
What’s your plan when you get all the money that you want for FIRE? You’re quite young and would have a long time to get to your Suoer. Look through the Australian investment forum and find BigChris, i’d Private message him. He’s a genius at this and has made a shit ton early and currently lives in the Netherlands. He might be able to give you ideas on what you can do to stay in Australia but manage your situation better?
Hi MrThatsDifferent
Thanks for the comment. I’ll try to touch on each of your questions.
1. I’m not considering the move just to avoid taxes. There’s quite a few things that draw me there. Firstly: lifestyle and work life balance. Everyone I’ve spoken to tells me the lifestyle is relaxed and there is a legitimate work-life-balance (something that is missing from my life right now).
Secondly: tropical paradise/great weather. Yes, Australia has amazing weather for which I am grateful, but I think we can all agree there is a difference between living in a inland city and effectively living right on the beach. It’ll be like living on the Gold Coast except less bogans (there might be a Cayman Island equivalent of “bogan” - I’ll let you know)
Thirdly: $$. I can earn a lot more money. Quickly. Even with my COL skyrocketting, the increased wages and lack of taxes more than makes up for the increase. To put it in perspective, I expect to be able to earn another $4K(AUD) a month from the moment I set down. This number will only increase the longer I stay as my pay increases. For me to save an extra $4K a month here in Aus would mean a tremendous payrise for my wife and I overnight (not likely). We may eventually earn that money here - but it’ll take 4-5 years to get there.
2. My job is not something I can do anywhere. I’m limited to certain countries. It just so happens that, in Australia, I get paid less than most other countries. Other options are London or NY for large $$. Could probably earn the same amount - and the cost of living would be less - BUT I’ve shied away from those places because:
- ZERO work life balance. To earn that money id effectively have to sell my soul. Even more than I do now. Would never see my wife. If I have kids, wouldn’t know their names. This is probably a bit of an overstatement, but you get my drag.
- Weather/lifestyle - I think we can all agree London weather might be a bit of a downer after a while. NY, I’ve never been to. My main issue with both of these places is the super mega metropolis atmosphere. Coming from Brisbane, I’m not used to it. Living at the beach does have a nice ring to it.
- I’d be taxed on my income in most other places. This makes my additional pay go further. Yes the VOL in CI is very silly, but I’m more than compensated to combat it.
3. How long will we be there? Are we prepared? Will we get bored?
- probably 4 years (depends on how much my wife earns, to be honest). After that I expect we will move again most likely the UK or US to visit family and explore.
- prepared? We’ve moved cities before. My wife has moved countries before. So moving around is not foreign to us. You’re right though, there is A LOT to consider. My post below may have made it sound like we are focussed solely on the money - but that’s not the case - we’re keen for the change and looking forward to the adventure.
- bored? I don’t think so. I’ve built in to our budgets plenty of space for travel and fun. My work should actually be pretty exciting too!
4. Savings rate. I’m not sure I understand the question. For the past 9 months or so we have saved $9300 per month. This is made up of about $1700 in superannuation (compulsory retirement savings which come out of your pre-tax salary) and the rest in deposits in to our index funds. The rest of our income goes to our mortgage (minimum repayment) and the rest is on living/bills etc.
5. House. Well, I’ve been lucky in that I bought a few years ago and house prices have gone up. I also put in a LOT of my own time and sweat to improve the house. $800k is the bank value at the moment. If I want a HOUSE that isn’t complete bollocks in a nice-ish area you will need to spend more than $500K. An apartment is a different story. The house will be rented when we leave - earning a nice little income. It won’t cover the costs but it’ll be something.
If we did come back to Aus, we would 100% downsize into something smaller and in a walkable area. But right now, the house is my best asset - it will allow me to downsize mortgage free (or close to it) if I decide to come back to Aus.
6. Plan after FIRE. I don’t intend on completely stopping work. I’d probably take a year or two off then find something part time and enjoyable. Tutoring maybe?
7. I’m not sure there is much I can do to manage my income here better. I’m trying to live a moustachian lifestyle. Spend little. Save lots. Index funds. There are definitely funky things I can do with my superannuation (this can be complex and expensive and usually only works when you have bulk coin in your super). But I’ll touch base with your suggestion in any event - if anything his life does sound interesting!
Hopefully I answered everything.
Cheers