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Re: Case study- Debt advise & how to save
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2015, 05:29:43 PM »
Even if this particular truck is a non-negotiable (which I hope you'll reconsider), can you explore refinancing? Would a parent or grandparent be willing to co-sign to help you get a better interest rate? Or do you have relative willing to make you a personal loan at a lower interest rate? 22% is brutal. If my math is right, you'll pay over $14K in interest over the 4 year course of the loan.

I do hope you find solutions that fit your lifestyle. I would encourage to be a little more open to some of the advice, such as renting a truck when needed, that is intended to both help you do the things you value and vastly improve your financial situation.

Best of luck to you.
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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2015, 07:00:39 PM »
So the only reason you need the truck is to tow the horse? Or do you haul other things too? Several people have asked how often you to the horse but I haven'seen you answerthat. Seems to he a reasonable suggestion to rent a truck if you only need it once or twice a year. The reason people are focusing on the horse and the truck is because they are eating up a huge chunk of your budget. Saving $500 a month on vehicle expenses (payment, insurance,  gas, repairs) would go a lot farther than cutting $20 off your phone bill. Renting when needed means you get the benefit of the truck, aren't relying on others for transportation,  can still do what you need for the horse, and get to save money.  And I'm not sure why you are comparing the price of a used truck to a new Kia. Why wouldn't you compare it to an equally used car?

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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2015, 07:57:57 PM »
Not sure what kind of work you do, but is it possible to talk your boss into letting you work from home one day a week?  That would help you save on gas.

I wouldn't sell my horse baby either.  You will just have to find other ways to creatively save money to get your debt paid off as quickly as possible.

Remember, you can't get out of debt by borrowing more money.  No new debt is allowed.

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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2015, 08:50:50 PM »
I wouldn't sell my horse either. Your truck costs a lot more and won't love you back.
When I haul (seldom), I hire someone. Is there any way you can get rid of the truck and not
haul for a couple of years--long enough to pay off the debt and buy an older truck without financing
it? Your horse probably won't mind missing some rodeos, or at least less than you think it will.

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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2015, 09:20:12 PM »
Could you offer hauling services to others?  You keep your horse, trailer, and truck - but could use the funds to offset the costs.  Apply these directly against your truck loan to help knock it down fast.

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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2015, 12:56:44 AM »
Could you 1/2 lease your horse?

1/2 leases usually cover 1/2 board, vet, ferrier and even some cash thrown in.

It could save you a few hundred/month.

You would need to let someone else ride him & go to a few rodeos but it could be good.

With you are working 10h/4 days ;) you may not have time to ride.

Where you work is there an option to couch surf 2x a week?
I knew someone w a crazy commute who worked MT ThF. They spent M&Th night at the bosses house.
Now your only driving there & back 2x a week not 5.



Any option to offer some small private lessons on the weekends?

The suggestion that you haul others is good too.

Just be careful about insurance in these situations.

PS. I know nothing about living in a trailer. If you really want that kind of advice I would start a new post with that title.

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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2015, 02:05:09 AM »
As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water....but you can't make em drink.


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« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2015, 08:43:24 AM »
The ONLY reason my truck is costing me so much payment wise is because i have bad credit. Otherwise what i paid for this truck is what a new small crappy KIA costs. The only reason my vehicle expenses are so much is because of my bad credit BUT like i PREVIOUSLY stated repeatedly those are FIXING to drastically go down.

You still spent $20k+ on a truck when your annual income is $42k gross.  Dave Ramsey recommends at maximum owning cars that don't exceed 50% of your pay.  Unfortunately, I can't remember if it is take home of gross, but you're either right above the line or right below the line.  So, definitely not frugal.  And a small crappy Kia does not cost $20k, which is what you paid unless you have some jacked up financing where they rolled interest into the principal or something weird like that.

Your car is expensive for your income, you need to realize that.  Even if you had a low interest rate it would still be an expensive car for your income level.  That doesn't mean you can't afford it by cutting other expenses it just means that you shouldn't be so belligerent when people call you on it.

Maybe I missed it, but you've avoided the numerous people who are asking you how many times do you actually need to haul your trailer.  Because if you aren't rodeoing, then I can speculate that it isn't that frequently and thus you should dump your truck for a more economical car.  That will allow you to build up some savings much quicker so you can move closer to town and do your RV thing.

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« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2015, 09:07:11 AM »
Are you sure you can't get a better loan rate? Either negotiate that rate down or take out another loan for less and pay off the first 22% loan with a lower 10% ish  loan?

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« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2015, 09:11:13 AM »
I echo the other recommendations to reconsider the truck situation.
FWIW I love trucks so me typing that is difficult however your numbers all point to that being your biggest hurdle.
Good luck on the journey and keep on taking baby steps one day at a time!

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Re: Case study- Debt advise & how to save
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2015, 05:11:51 PM »
Hi Kristen. Welcome to the forum. We like to let loose with the facepunches in the case study threads and you gotta learn to not take it too personally and roll with the punches.

I happen to be someone who learns better visually, so I threw together some charts from your itemized list of expenses. Here's your spending situation with and without taxes --





Let's focus on the second chart, the one without taxes (since you have no choice about paying that). The reason why folks are harping on your truck and your animals (mostly the horse) is because, at 50% and 18% of your total expenses, respectively, those are BY FAR your top two expenses. If those two areas are truly non-negotiable, then your hands are extremely tied as to where else you can cut.

Your spending actually looks pretty reasonable in all the other categories. Can they be further trimmed/optimized? Maybe. But $100 for health insurance is a steal, your grocery bill isn't looking too bad either (especially if it includes household/personal care products in addition to food), and you might be able to drop your cellphone bill, assuming you're not locked into a contract or legitimately need/use the bells & whistles.

I'm actually a bit worried that everything else aside from the truck and the horse looks too good to be true. Like, do you really spend nothing on entertainment? Restaurants? Clothing? What about property taxes and maintenance/service on the truck? You're in perfect health with no co-pays, co-insurance/deductibles, or medication costs? Do you have $500 of savings per month, and where is it going?

But assuming that your list does cover everything, here's a more detailed chart that itemizes every single category minus income taxes, followed by my comments/thoughts on each --



- Taxes (not shown): you have to pay this unless you can deduct a 401(k) or IRA
- Health/Dental Insurance: you have an incredibly low premium, and you need coverage
- Student Loans: also fairly inelastic unless you qualify for hardship, income-based repayment, loan forgiveness, or refinancing
- Horse/Dog: non-negotiable as per your personal requirements

- Groceries: I can probably cut this in half, but you'd have to work pretty hard at it -- cook everything yourself, shop sales, buy in bulk, go generic brands, give up meat, etc. You're doing pretty good and might be hitting diminishing returns unless you really enjoy nickle and diming your grocery bill like I do.
- Cellphone: you'd have to either change plans or use less of any service that you're being charged for. Can you share a plan with your family by adding an extra line?

- Truck payment: this is high due to the loan balance and exorbitant interest rate (seriously, WTF!). Only solutions are to swap to a cheaper vehicle and/or refinance. You said the former is off the table and you're already working on the latter by repairing your credit, etc.
- Truck insurance: you can shop around for better rates, wait for your history to improve, or increase your deductibles -- but be aware that if you bump up your deductible, you need to have the savings to cover those deductibles as well.
- Gasoline: The only two ways I can think of to cut this down is to either drive less (e.g. ditch the 120 mile daily commute, drop down to 4 days, couch-surf a few nights a week, like others have already suggested; carpooling is another possibility) or switch to a more fuel-efficient vehicle. I'm not convinced that a second car is necessarily the way to go, though. You really don't want to ADD to your auto/transport costs.

I also want to point out that you're sort of 'cheating' the system by not having housing or utility payments. Add those in, and you're barely scraping by. You have to be honest about what you are and aren't paying for. The bottom line is that no matter which way you slice it, you're being utterly eaten alive on the vehicle front, and here's where I get facepunch-y. This is going to sound harsh but I have to be blunt here.

You've done the equivalent of charging $16,000 onto a credit card, because that's how high your interest rate is. Your total transportation costs exceed some mortgages, so unless you're literally living in your truck, that is way too much, especially for your level of income. You cannot afford that truck and you should never have bought it in the first place. If you cannot haul your horse without the truck and you cannot come up with a different arrangement, then you cannot afford to haul your horse at all. You should've bought a used, fuel-efficient commuter, set aside the rodeo until *after* you've repaired your credit, cleared your insurance record, and built up some savings. Only *then* should you even consider the possibility of buying your own truck and pursuing more rodeo.

Furthermore, any new vehicle depreciates like mad in the first few years, and that's without the extremely high mileage that you're piling on, which is why you're underwater and cannot get out. I actually feel physically ill even thinking about it. You're in a tough situation, and all the low-hanging fruit have been presented to you already. I'm sorry for not having too many new ideas, but this forum isn't magic, and it's gonna take concerted effort and a lot of time to get out. What's done is done, though; so long as it's a learning experience, you should move on and just keep digging out. Best of luck to you.

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« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2015, 06:30:37 PM »
After reading through this thread, I'm thinking about my high school seniors.  I have this discussion half a dozen times each semester: 

Student: I see my grade is a 50, and I really need to get this up; graduation is coming soon.  What do I need to do?  I'm desperate, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes. 

Me: Okay, let's look at the grade book.  I see that you have turned in your homework only 25% of the time.  Doing your homework every single day will bring your grades up.
Student: Well, yes, but I work, and I don't always have time to do it. 

Me: We usually have the last 15 minutes of class to start homework, yet most days I see you packing up your materials early.  If you use that time better, you wouldn't have to do so much at home.
Student:  No response. 

Me: Okay, I see that your test average isn't very good.  Are you studying for the tests?  Maybe making some note cards?  Reviewing the material 15-20 minutes several nights before the test?  Reread your notes?  Did you complete the optional test review study guide? 
Student: I didn't have any note cards. 

Me: Well, have you completed all the reading?
Student: I did most of it.  Some of it.  I fell asleep.  It's so boring, and I don't understand it anyway. 

Me: I see that you haven't turned in the paper from three weeks ago.  That zero is killing your grade.  You can still turn it in for half credit.  You can get a copy of the assignment from my website. 
Student:  Half credit?  What's the point of half credit?  Anyway, my computer is broken. 

Me:  I also note that you've missed my class at least once a week this quarter.
Student:  Yes, I work late sometimes, and I'm tired.  And I have to take my little brother to school because my mom's car is unreliable. 

Me:  So you're telling me that you're not willing to work harder on the homework, or study for tests, or put more effort into the reading, or increase your attendance? 
Student:  I knew it was a mistake asking for help.  You obviously don't care if I pass or fail!

Me: What do you think you could do to bring up your grade?
Student:  I don't know.  I was hoping you'd drop the zeros.  Or maybe let me make a poster to bring up the test grade. 

It's kind of the same thing I'm hearing on this thread:  You say you want to do better financially, but you're not willing to budge on things that you clearly can't afford.  Too much of your take-home is going to transportation, and if your grandparents weren't helping you, you'd be on the streets.  You say that you're not living a luxurious life, but you're determined to have the animals, a premium truck, and you're looking to buy a premium RV -- all while still paying off loans.

You've complained several times that no one taught you how to manage your finances.  You probably did learn this in high school math classes and Econ classes, but it "didn't stick" because it seemed unreal to you at that point.  However, since you realized that it's important, you've had access to books and the internet -- if no one taught you this material, seek out information for yourself!  Similarly, I see you jumped on the person who mentioned the advise/advice thing -- I noticed it too -- and you tried to pass it off as a misspelled word, even though you "misspelled it" more than once.  Step one is being honest with yourself. 

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing and expecting different results.  Like my students, you're hoping someone here will come up with a quick-fix that'll allow you to keep on doing everything you're doing now, but get different results.  Can't happen. 

You've received some good ideas here.  I suggest you go through them carefully and see which ones you could make work.  Note I didn't say which ones you want to use -- you don't want any of them!  Personally, I think that something has to happen with your transportation costs; unless you address that monster, any little changes you make in your grocery bill, for example, won't really matter.

I wish you luck with the tough choices you have to make. 

« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 06:37:20 PM by MrsPete »

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Re: Case study- Debt advise & how to save
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2015, 07:50:22 PM »
After reading through this thread, I'm thinking about my high school seniors.  I have this discussion half a dozen times each semester: 

Student: I see my grade is a 50, and I really need to get this up; graduation is coming soon.  What do I need to do?  I'm desperate, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes. 

Me: Okay, let's look at the grade book.  I see that you have turned in your homework only 25% of the time.  Doing your homework every single day will bring your grades up.
Student: Well, yes, but I work, and I don't always have time to do it. 

Me: We usually have the last 15 minutes of class to start homework, yet most days I see you packing up your materials early.  If you use that time better, you wouldn't have to do so much at home.
Student:  No response. 

Me: Okay, I see that your test average isn't very good.  Are you studying for the tests?  Maybe making some note cards?  Reviewing the material 15-20 minutes several nights before the test?  Reread your notes?  Did you complete the optional test review study guide? 
Student: I didn't have any note cards. 

Me: Well, have you completed all the reading?
Student: I did most of it.  Some of it.  I fell asleep.  It's so boring, and I don't understand it anyway. 

Me: I see that you haven't turned in the paper from three weeks ago.  That zero is killing your grade.  You can still turn it in for half credit.  You can get a copy of the assignment from my website. 
Student:  Half credit?  What's the point of half credit?  Anyway, my computer is broken. 

Me:  I also note that you've missed my class at least once a week this quarter.
Student:  Yes, I work late sometimes, and I'm tired.  And I have to take my little brother to school because my mom's car is unreliable. 

Me:  So you're telling me that you're not willing to work harder on the homework, or study for tests, or put more effort into the reading, or increase your attendance? 
Student:  I knew it was a mistake asking for help.  You obviously don't care if I pass or fail!

Me: What do you think you could do to bring up your grade?
Student:  I don't know.  I was hoping you'd drop the zeros.  Or maybe let me make a poster to bring up the test grade. 

It's kind of the same thing I'm hearing on this thread:  You say you want to do better financially, but you're not willing to budge on things that you clearly can't afford.  Too much of your take-home is going to transportation, and if your grandparents weren't helping you, you'd be on the streets.  You say that you're not living a luxurious life, but you're determined to have the animals, a premium truck, and you're looking to buy a premium RV -- all while still paying off loans.

You've complained several times that no one taught you how to manage your finances.  You probably did learn this in high school math classes and Econ classes, but it "didn't stick" because it seemed unreal to you at that point.  However, since you realized that it's important, you've had access to books and the internet -- if no one taught you this material, seek out information for yourself!  Similarly, I see you jumped on the person who mentioned the advise/advice thing -- I noticed it too -- and you tried to pass it off as a misspelled word, even though you "misspelled it" more than once.  Step one is being honest with yourself. 

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing and expecting different results.  Like my students, you're hoping someone here will come up with a quick-fix that'll allow you to keep on doing everything you're doing now, but get different results.  Can't happen. 

You've received some good ideas here.  I suggest you go through them carefully and see which ones you could make work.  Note I didn't say which ones you want to use -- you don't want any of them!  Personally, I think that something has to happen with your transportation costs; unless you address that monster, any little changes you make in your grocery bill, for example, won't really matter.

I wish you luck with the tough choices you have to make.

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« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2015, 03:25:44 AM »
After reading through this thread, I'm thinking about my high school seniors.  I have this discussion half a dozen times each semester: 

Student: I see my grade is a 50, and I really need to get this up; graduation is coming soon.  What do I need to do?  I'm desperate, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes. 

Me: Okay, let's look at the grade book.  I see that you have turned in your homework only 25% of the time.  Doing your homework every single day will bring your grades up.
Student: Well, yes, but I work, and I don't always have time to do it. 

Me: We usually have the last 15 minutes of class to start homework, yet most days I see you packing up your materials early.  If you use that time better, you wouldn't have to do so much at home.
Student:  No response. 

Me: Okay, I see that your test average isn't very good.  Are you studying for the tests?  Maybe making some note cards?  Reviewing the material 15-20 minutes several nights before the test?  Reread your notes?  Did you complete the optional test review study guide? 
Student: I didn't have any note cards. 

Me: Well, have you completed all the reading?
Student: I did most of it.  Some of it.  I fell asleep.  It's so boring, and I don't understand it anyway. 

Me: I see that you haven't turned in the paper from three weeks ago.  That zero is killing your grade.  You can still turn it in for half credit.  You can get a copy of the assignment from my website. 
Student:  Half credit?  What's the point of half credit?  Anyway, my computer is broken. 

Me:  I also note that you've missed my class at least once a week this quarter.
Student:  Yes, I work late sometimes, and I'm tired.  And I have to take my little brother to school because my mom's car is unreliable. 

Me:  So you're telling me that you're not willing to work harder on the homework, or study for tests, or put more effort into the reading, or increase your attendance? 
Student:  I knew it was a mistake asking for help.  You obviously don't care if I pass or fail!

Me: What do you think you could do to bring up your grade?
Student:  I don't know.  I was hoping you'd drop the zeros.  Or maybe let me make a poster to bring up the test grade. 

It's kind of the same thing I'm hearing on this thread:  You say you want to do better financially, but you're not willing to budge on things that you clearly can't afford.  Too much of your take-home is going to transportation, and if your grandparents weren't helping you, you'd be on the streets.  You say that you're not living a luxurious life, but you're determined to have the animals, a premium truck, and you're looking to buy a premium RV -- all while still paying off loans.

You've complained several times that no one taught you how to manage your finances.  You probably did learn this in high school math classes and Econ classes, but it "didn't stick" because it seemed unreal to you at that point.  However, since you realized that it's important, you've had access to books and the internet -- if no one taught you this material, seek out information for yourself!  Similarly, I see you jumped on the person who mentioned the advise/advice thing -- I noticed it too -- and you tried to pass it off as a misspelled word, even though you "misspelled it" more than once.  Step one is being honest with yourself. 

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing and expecting different results.  Like my students, you're hoping someone here will come up with a quick-fix that'll allow you to keep on doing everything you're doing now, but get different results.  Can't happen. 

You've received some good ideas here.  I suggest you go through them carefully and see which ones you could make work.  Note I didn't say which ones you want to use -- you don't want any of them!  Personally, I think that something has to happen with your transportation costs; unless you address that monster, any little changes you make in your grocery bill, for example, won't really matter.

I wish you luck with the tough choices you have to make.
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Re: Case study- Debt advise & how to save
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2015, 04:32:58 AM »
Mrs Pete, wonderful advice that we could all apply to so many aspects of our lives.  Thank you.

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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2015, 08:11:19 AM »
A horse and dog are wonderful companions. They love you. You love them.

Do you haul your horse to just rodeos?

Why do you go to rodeos?

 

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