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Budgets - "Once you go Stachian you never go back ......"
« on: September 17, 2012, 09:45:02 PM »
Hello everyone! Just wanted to share our story.....

..... BUT FIRST wanted to say that this site kicks a$$! We are on the road (speedway!) to FI and should be there in the next 6-7 years. We currently live on 48% of our $95k take home pay and will be reducing that amount by @ 5% each year until we reach 18% living expenses, a paid off mortgage, large emergency fund, a few free and clear investment properties and maxed out retirement accounts. Not too bad for a family of five in less than 10 years!

Ok, my main reason for this post is to see if anyone else has experienced what we have. For a long time we had worked and worked and worked without gaining much ground. We could always plan on getting paid after a 50 hour work week and to be broke by the next paycheck. Our bills were piling up, stress was mounting and you could forget about anything close to a retirement plan or emergency fund. We were clueless on what to do and did the usual finger pointing - "need a raise, rising gas prices, foods too expensive........", the list goes on and on. We were in our early to mid 30's with a growing family and stressed out constantly.

Then one day I reached my boiling point. I had finally stressed out enough and decided to sit down to create a rough budget. Now with this budget we could finally see what we were doing wrong. But the reality was that I could tilt the numbers in our favor to make it seem like things were better than they were. We were still in the same boat even though we had created a budget - ARRGHHH!!! What were we still doing wrong? We had our incomes and our bills on paper so how could we still be clueless about our finances? Well, what we (and most people) miss was that we were still justifying the things that were draining our funds - weekly outings, restaurants, food delivery, a Ford F250 diesel for commuting, multiple trips to the store during the week etc.... We were also doing all of those things and attempting to save anything that was left over, which was usually nothing.

So as time went on my thought process and the budget evolved. I was reading as many personal financial books as I could get my hands on and looking over the budget. The weeks of the year appeared on our budget with holidays and special events, who was getting paid on which week and our bills mapped out for each weekly and monthly period - all in an Open Office format and computed automatically. I was "trimming the fat" so to speak and all of a sudden we were keeping pace with our bills and even had the occasional surplus of funds. The stress level was getting better but was still there. My wife would occasionally comment on how much time I was putting into the budget but I felt that something was changing inside of me - something that I could not describe.

I don't know if it was the budget or just plain old hard work but opportunities were popping up all around us. Plentiful amounts of overtime and side work, position changes, seemingly bigger tips, a few pay raises in combination with lots of coupon clipping and comparison shopping and things were starting to come together. Two things were still lacking though - an emergency fund and retirement account.

I went into work and immediately maxed out my employer matched 401k (matched at $0.67 per my $1.00 up to 10% of my pay with no limits on OT or bonuses). We also worked hard to build up a $10k emergency fund (on our way to $30k) and did something that we never had thought to do in the past - pay ourselves first before paying our bills. The first row on our budget now is a place to input our payment to ourselves ($300 weekly to the EF) BEFORE any bills are to be paid. We now max out both of our 401k's ($17k each) and have a growing emergency fund. All of our bills are paid the first week of each month and we can see our progress throughout the year.

I see situations completely different now. I call the funds in our retirement accounts "Our Employees" when my children ask me what am I looking at. I'm 39 and wife is 37 and we are starting our first triplex flip in the next two weeks - something that I've always wanted to do. My wife says that I am a different person now, always smiling and more relaxed. Some people have said that we seem more "snotty", maybe it's just that we are more focused now than we have ever been. When I hear them complain about their lives I cringe under my skin because I know that I could help them but they don't want to make the change (at least for now).

To decompress these days I'll pull up my laptop and review the budget, make some changes and pay bills - something she thinks is a little weird but knows my reasons for it. We now live a more relaxed life and see the light at the end of the employment tunnel. I consistently talk about FI to my friends and co-workers to the point that I have to watch it so I don't seem like I'm boasting to them about our journey. From complete "rags to riches to FI" will have taken less than 10 years but was worth every step along the way. We will be there by the ages of 46 and 44 on a working class income but could have been there 15 years earlier if we had the upbringing on living below your means. That is something we are instilling into our children as we speak.

Thank you for listening to my rant - V
« Last Edit: September 20, 2012, 05:15:58 AM by Southern Stashian »

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Re: "Once you go Stachian you never go back ......"
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 10:26:41 PM »
What an inspirational story.

Thank you for sharing it with us.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 11:15:54 PM »
What were we still doing wrong? We had our incomes and our bills on paper so how could we still be clueless about our finances? Well, what we (and most people) miss was that we were still justifying the things that were draining our funds - weekly outings, restaurants, food delivery, a Ford F250 diesel for commuting, multiple trips to the store during the week etc.... We were also doing all of those things and attempting to save anything that was left over, which was usually nothing.

Man this is so true. There have been many times in the past where I had tried to budget and get back on track financially, but it always fell through because there wasn't a change at the core of spending behavior. Justifying bad spending behavior keeps you from moving forward, budget or no budget.

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 03:14:49 AM »
Yes, thats a great story. Love it.

I first learnt to be frugal when my husband and I split and our family suddenly had to survive on half the income.  I was time poor as well: trying to get the best out of my money so I could spend more time with the kids.  But at that time I had the wrong attitude, I viewed it as some sort of "diet", felt resentful, had a right princess attitude "I shouldn't have to be doing this".  As the kids grew, I worked a bit more, and income increased and I paid off the mortgage. Then I succumbed to expenditure creep as things improved and had a spendy 3 years, and you guessed it, got a bigger house and a new mortgage (doh!).

Finally I saw the light and this time around I have a different attitude and regard this as a cool game to see how little I can spend. Its not a money diet thats been forced on me, I'm doing this because I want to and it makes so much more sense than the shallow consumerist ratwheel. When I see Mercedes there is no envy anymore, I just smile and think "Sukka!, how much time did you spend being a slave to get that?"

Like you, I find I'm more relaxed, and feeling increasingly confident as I find I'm able to improve my numbers. At the beginning it was like trying to turn the Queen Mary, but the difference is so noticeable now 9 months later.

So well done you.! Ps whats a "triplex flip"?

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 07:02:32 AM »
whats a "triplex flip"?

Sounds like they're purchasing a 3-unit building (triplex) to rehab and resell (flip) to make some profit.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
I (rarely) blog at AdventuringAlong.com. Check out the Now page to see what I'm up to currently.

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 07:13:35 AM »
Thanks, now I get it.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 11:00:18 AM »
whats a "triplex flip"?

Sounds like they're purchasing a 3-unit building (triplex) to rehab and resell (flip) to make some profit.

Thank you everyone for your replies!

Yep, you are exactly right. We (myself and two long time real estate investors) are buying a three unit building for $90k, putting $10k into each unit over a four week period and putting it on the market for @ $225k. The market value and appraisal on it as it stands right now is $157k and it is part of an estate that a friend of a friend has left behind after passing away. The family member who has it currently wants to unload it and we are giving him his full asking price for a quick closing. Hopefully we can make a $80k - $95k ($27k - $32k each) profit after labor and expenses and move on to the next one. If I were ready at this point in my life I would keep the triplex and live in one unit and rent out the other two (the tenants are already in place) but it's in a school district that we are not interested in and I'm not quite ready to become a landlord yet, that's @ 5 - 7 years away. We will know within a week or so if our full price offer has been accepted or not. Wish us luck!
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 07:47:13 PM »
What were we still doing wrong? We had our incomes and our bills on paper so how could we still be clueless about our finances? Well, what we (and most people) miss was that we were still justifying the things that were draining our funds - weekly outings, restaurants, food delivery, a Ford F250 diesel for commuting, multiple trips to the store during the week etc.... We were also doing all of those things and attempting to save anything that was left over, which was usually nothing.

Man this is so true. There have been many times in the past where I had tried to budget and get back on track financially, but it always fell through because there wasn't a change at the core of spending behavior. Justifying bad spending behavior keeps you from moving forward, budget or no budget.

Yeah, you have to get real with yourself, your finances and your surroundings before a change can happen. I believe that this is why our "friends" now consider us snobby since we don't go out all the time and waste money. While they are on Facebook three times a week living it up at different restaurants and living WAYYYYY beyond their means we are watching our stash grow. One couple is in their late 30's, has a one income 65k salary with two kids and three dogs and always find time to go out three times a week but are having their 70 year old parents footing their $200 grocery bill every week - and they just filed BK and are back on the same path if not worse. It just makes me cringe anymore to be around people that are so irresponsible so we don't even try.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 08:14:15 PM »
Yes, thats a great story. Love it.

I first learnt to be frugal when my husband and I split and our family suddenly had to survive on half the income.  I was time poor as well: trying to get the best out of my money so I could spend more time with the kids.  But at that time I had the wrong attitude, I viewed it as some sort of "diet", felt resentful, had a right princess attitude "I shouldn't have to be doing this".  As the kids grew, I worked a bit more, and income increased and I paid off the mortgage. Then I succumbed to expenditure creep as things improved and had a spendy 3 years, and you guessed it, got a bigger house and a new mortgage (doh!).

Finally I saw the light and this time around I have a different attitude and regard this as a cool game to see how little I can spend. Its not a money diet thats been forced on me, I'm doing this because I want to and it makes so much more sense than the shallow consumerist ratwheel. When I see Mercedes there is no envy anymore, I just smile and think "Sukka!, how much time did you spend being a slave to get that?"

Like you, I find I'm more relaxed, and feeling increasingly confident as I find I'm able to improve my numbers. At the beginning it was like trying to turn the Queen Mary, but the difference is so noticeable now 9 months later.

So well done you.! Ps whats a "triplex flip"?

It looks like you have a great new attitude towards your finances. You have made that Queen Mary spin on a dime! Lol. I, like you have no more envy of possessions, cars, gigantic homes or the like. When I drive by an oncoming BMW or other debt anchor I can see the eyes of the driver quickly glance at me and silently say "..... Aren't you impressed with my status symbol" and I really am not. I am actually relieved more and more every time I see these status symbols as I have my "employees" working for me full time in multiple investments and not depreciating between four wheels or going towards interest payments for all of my "toys". I am now more confident and proactive with our finances and less tolerant when others start blabbing about their excessive consumerism.

BTW - I envy you living in Australia!

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 03:48:15 AM »
Yes I've been reflecting on what makes a "status symbol." Those with the desirable item feel important or place themselves above those without. Some of the time more expensive is better quality and function but sometimes not: its just whats seen as desirable. If we just want to get from a to b, an MMM top ten car will do the job as well as a Beamer. (That is if one is not biking.) Seems to me a status symbol becomes that because society creates and defines expectations and norms about such things, not because the object is necessarily better. If society valued efficiency over expensive brand names, then a simple reliable, low cost vehicle would be a status symbol. Western society really has become obsessed with money and more is better......

Our Kooris say " you have to know more to live with less"

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 10:29:41 PM »
OK. I have been hard at work tweaking our budget even further. I though we had tweaked it pretty good but I have found more areas to trim the fat and thus have set our goals of FI even closer by two years. We have ditched the two IPhones ($108 monthly) and bought two prepaid phones to cut our cell bill by @ 75%. We have also cut our food bill by 20% with coupons and bulk shopping, increased the deductibles on our insurances and will be paying our property tax bill this year a month early (they give you a 5% discount for early payment). I have also made out the last check to the lawn man (I know, I know) and I am currently looking for a home to buy (and eventually convert into a rental) @ 2 miles from both of our offices (so I can bike in even though I have a free company vehicle to take home). All in all we have cut an additional $4200 off of our yearly expenses and will be cutting the grass and biking to work here soon too. I used to think that paying people to do things for me (cutting the grass, cleaning our vehicles ...) afforded me more time to work but MMM has turned me around - my time away from work with my family is WAY more valuable than earning the OT. I found myself becoming an OT zombie and I am not going back down that road ever again. By making the changes we have cut our FI time down to five years now and will be debt free (and in better shape) by the ages of 44 and 42 (we're 39 and 37 right now). In addition, our retirement accounts (sorry - employees, lol) will be hard at work to cover our living expenses by the same time we gain FI so we can also walk away from our jobs and have our living expenses covered by our investment gains within the five years. This is addicting stuff and well within our reach. I advise everyone to keep on pushing forward and remember what MMM has said about living frugally - that cutting expenses and investing the difference is way more powerful than increasing your hourly income. (maybe not those EXACT words, Lol,  but it has worked for us!)
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 04:39:41 AM »
Good to see you've been aggressive in getting those expenses down.

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2012, 09:07:02 PM »
Good for you! It's exciting when you realise how truly simple (but hard sometimes) it can be to become FI.
Then when you start cutting down and making your assets add up it is quite addictive and is easier an easier.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!