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Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?

28. $400k net worth. $50k (mostly - very little input) passive income. Maybe I peaked a little early in life. Hopefully not, but who knows what life has in store at this point. Broke up with partner of 10 years recently, but it was a long time coming and neither one of us was happy. No full time job in past ~4 years. No desire for employed work. No real passions other than recently picking up drumming. I used to have a lot of interests (photography, design, programming, video games, finance, AI, etc...) and it seems like everything has just faded...no I'm not overly depressed even though I was in the past. I just feel really bored with no direction.

For some reason my mind has been fixated on buying and riding the heck out of a motorcycle - like ride cross country to California and spend the month there since the plethora of great roads and weather. I know it's not safe or probably wise financially but my entire life up until this point has been "practical". I have constantly delayed gratification. I have a strong desire to rebel and do something counter to what I normally would do in order to feel alive. I used to ride dirt bikes in the past. I recently went on a literal roller-coaster bender and have rode the fastest and tallest in the world over the summer. That somewhat scratched the itch but I'm still wanting more. I will admit that some of this is due to the breakup, but I have craved to get out of my monotonous routine for a long time now.

Of course there's always that thought in the back of my head that I will get too used to it and give up my fairly frugal ways (I'm not nearly as hardcore as some here and never will be). Honestly I don't think I have any intention on living life the way I was in the past. Giving up your best years in order to save a few more dollars just doesn't seem worth it anymore - but maybe that's because I'm already in a fairly good spot.

Anyone else been through similar?

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 10:42:32 AM »
If your lifestyle is under 50k a year, then I suggest you buy a tent and plot out a course to ride your bike out to California camping the whole way. The reason motorcycles are so un-mustachian is that most people don't drive them hardly at all, and what's the point of owning something you barely use? I think that if you're able to ride every day then it's much more reasonable.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 10:57:58 AM »
So, what you're saying is that you're completely FI, single and have a desire to do an epic road trip?

Um. If I were you, I would have been gone yesterday. Enjoy that trip.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2018, 11:04:02 AM »
Yea, get on it.  Though I would reconsider California as the ideal place to ride.  I moved out here 8 years ago from Ohio and bought another bike (sold mine when I left Ohio) and to be honest I miss my Ohio roads.  The roads here have the potential to be awesome... except for traffic.  Always... fucking... traffic.  No matter how far I go, there are still cars.  I could ride an hour in Ohio without seeing another car, then another hour before the next car.

A ride TO California would be epic, depending on how far away you are, but I wouldn't plan on spending a month here.  More like, plan on spending an open amount of time anywhere you find to be awesome, which may or may not be Cali.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 11:13:33 AM »
What are you waiting for, my friend? Sounds like an excellent idea!

I don't know what kind of riding you're looking for, but you should check out the Trans America Trail system (https://www.transamtrail.com). It'll take you from ~West Virginia to the Pacific coast of Oregon almost entirely off road.

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 12:33:07 PM »
If you wait to scratch the long road trip itch you might find yourself in another long term relationship talking about mortgages, weddings and kids. I have all 3 of those things and am happy, but I am really glad I scratched the road trip itch before they came into my life.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 12:47:34 PM »
Trip sounds like it will be a blast.  Pick up the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by ‎Robert Pirsig and read it during your journey.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 12:58:58 PM »
Trip sounds like it will be a blast.  Pick up the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by ‎Robert Pirsig and read it during your journey.

Other motorcycle journey books are "One Life to Ride" by Ajit Harisinghani and "The Motorcycle Diaries" by Che Guevara.  My SO is thinking about a Royal Enfield and just loves these books..  We picked the former one up while in Nepal and he's got this idea we're going to ride a motorcycle around SE Asia.. (and around the US, and mid/south America... :D )

Also, DO IT!  Enjoy the journey and let it take you wherever.  The journey is the destination.  You will find so many neat/beautiful things along the way that you'll want to stick around for longer.  I hear the national parks out west are jaw-dropping gorgeous.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 01:16:01 PM »
Bored

Broke up with partner of 10 years recently

everything has just faded

I just feel really bored with no direction.

I will admit that some of this is due to the breakup

I think the road trip is an excellent idea, but I also think seeing a psychologist for awhile would be very helpful for you. I don't know you, obviously, but from your short post it sounds like you're grieving a pretty significant loss. I've felt very similar to what you've described while grieving for lost loved ones. Talking in person to someone who is professionally trained to help you deal with it very helpful for me.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 01:17:14 PM »
28 is really young and your best years are ahead of you. Just remember you take yourself with you so maybe its worth talking to a someone before you go about how you are feeling. It might help you find that purpose.

Enjoy your trip.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 01:26:13 PM »
Anyone else been through similar?

Yeah, but one big ride rarely cures it. If anything, it usually just makes it worse.  But that's OK with me. If the cost/safety aspect bothers you, learn to do the same on a bicycle. 

Lots of kindred souls here: https://advrider.com/

 

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 01:56:38 PM »
I hear the national parks out west are jaw-dropping gorgeous.

Anyone who hasn't seen Yosemite or Yellowstone is missing out on so much of life.  And this is coming from someone who grew up in Alaska.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 03:18:33 PM »
Though I would reconsider California as the ideal place to ride.  I moved out here 8 years ago from Ohio and bought another bike (sold mine when I left Ohio) and to be honest I miss my Ohio roads.  The roads here have the potential to be awesome... except for traffic.  Always... fucking... traffic.  No matter how far I go, there are still cars.  I could ride an hour in Ohio without seeing another car, then another hour before the next car.

A ride TO California would be epic, depending on how far away you are, but I wouldn't plan on spending a month here.  More like, plan on spending an open amount of time anywhere you find to be awesome, which may or may not be Cali.

I live in Western NC so it will be quite the ride. That sucks to hear about the roads being congested everywhere you go...I figured they might thin out in the canyons? Of course everyone wants to feel like they have the road to theirselves. I'm not exactly partial to California. I'd hit up Arizona or New Mexico if need be - anything to escape our long and drawn out winters here!

Of course I can also head down to Florida but the roads and scenery aren't as interesting.

I don't know what kind of riding you're looking for, but you should check out the Trans America Trail system (https://www.transamtrail.com). It'll take you from ~West Virginia to the Pacific coast of Oregon almost entirely off road.

Yep, I'm in Western NC so it wouldn't be far at all to start on the TAT. I definitely want to do it at some point but I'm not sure how much dirt riding I'd actually do in the long run. We have so many great altitude changing and twisty roads around here that I'd rather get a bike suited more that for a while at least. Appalachian Trail and TAT are still on the bucket list! Maybe even the Continental Divide.

If you wait to scratch the long road trip itch you might find yourself in another long term relationship talking about mortgages, weddings and kids. I have all 3 of those things and am happy, but I am really glad I scratched the road trip itch before they came into my life.

For sure! I definitely don't want to rush back into a lifestyle where I feel like I need to be in one spot but at the same time I know it will happen eventually - that's just life I guess.

I think the road trip is an excellent idea, but I also think seeing a psychologist for awhile would be very helpful for you. I don't know you, obviously, but from your short post it sounds like you're grieving a pretty significant loss. I've felt very similar to what you've described while grieving for lost loved ones. Talking in person to someone who is professionally trained to help you deal with it very helpful for me.

Thanks for the advice. I definitely plan on doing that. On top of that I've been hitting the gym and playing the drums. Hopefully with a little of this and that I can get over this "blah".

Yeah, but one big ride rarely cures it. If anything, it usually just makes it worse.  But that's OK with me. If the cost/safety aspect bothers you, learn to do the same on a bicycle. 

Lots of kindred souls here: https://advrider.com/

True. I don't expect it to cure me at all. Honestly I've took many planned trips to amazing places in the past but I always felt like I had to get back rather than stay and take it in the way I wanted.

Not even sure I'll make the epic trip or not.  Just depends on how intolerable the weather gets for me this year. There's a ton of amazing roads within 30 minutes of where I live and there a few nationally rated best roads less than a few hours drive/ride so I look at it as a form of long-term therapy (hopefully) if anything.

Also, DO IT!  Enjoy the journey and let it take you wherever.  The journey is the destination.  You will find so many neat/beautiful things along the way that you'll want to stick around for longer.  I hear the national parks out west are jaw-dropping gorgeous.

Yep, I've been to Yosemite, Rocky Mountain, Zion, the Oregon Coast, in and around Seattle, and I live near the Smokeys so I've definitely been around the block nature wise but I didn't get to spend much time when I was there and I'd want something with less of an itinerary these days.

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement!

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 06:19:45 PM »
With the ACA, you'll never have to work again to survive.  I suggest that you find a place with cheap housing and buy a cheap permanent home.  Even in CA, there are such places, but they won't be in downtown S.F.!

Buy that motorcycle, and have at it.  Do a little research, and you can find cheap motels almost anywhere that are decently clean for under $50/night, which means a monthly "rental" cost of $1500.  You could easily afford doing this all summer long if you so desired.

I'd also recommend international travel.  Pick the people/culture you'd like, and go for it.  Go teach English abroad.

The key is to NOT HAVE A FAST SPEND RATE!

Oh, and I would highly recommend you ask for advice from "America's Older Brother" Aaron Clarey @ YouTube.  He'll ask for a small donation and then make a video answering your questions about how to proceed in life.  He is also an ally with the Moustachers, although of the libertarian-conservative political bent, as he is a proponent of "enjoying the decline" by being a minimalist.  And he also does a lot of cross-country motorbiking.
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2018, 06:28:28 PM »
Your life sounds Lonely. Rather than thinking of all the things you can do for yourself to make yourself happy -- that is, chasing happiness -- give your time back to your community. Volunteer. Go build houses in a developing country. Meet people with similar interests. Connect. Instead of asking how you can be more happy, ask how you can be more useful. What is your purpose in life? Oftentimes, you'll find that happiness is a by-product of feeling like your life is meaningful.

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 04:39:35 PM »
My wife and I did 3000 miles over 3.5 weeks on a motorcycle through Baja Mexico in spring 2017. We camped on the beach every other night. Fall 2017 we did 8000 miles over 2 months, although it was in our 4Runner towing a restored 1966 M416 military off-road trailer and roof top tent. Both were epic trips with many, many more to come.

I have some amazing once in a lifetime photos I keep trying to post but the forum isn’t having it.

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2018, 12:53:17 AM »
Anyone else been through similar?

Yep. Felt exactly the same way you do: was spendypants, went frugal, became okay financially, then got bored as hell with the whole routine of it all. Something along the lines of, "Is this it? Really?!?"

It was never about rebelling against societal norms. More like a dissatisfaction with the script that we were handed. And it seemed like nobody around us questioned it at all, which was puzzling to us. So we made changes to the script. It didn't feel like we were being brave or daring. Just moving things around till it felt right.

It's like when you're sitting in one position for a long time and then you start to get sore. Some people shift around in their seats until they get comfortable and then they're okay.

We tried doing that. Didn't work. So we just got up off those seats. And then we walked out the door. Out the building. Got on our motorcycles and rode out of town. Then out of the country. Then off the continent.



Just kept on going. That was back in 2012. We're still on the road.

Some of our friends cheered as we got up and left. Others shook their heads and tutted, "Idiots. They'll be back. And they'll be sorry."

And then there were others we met on the road. They took us in, fed us and listened to our stories. And then they told us, "I wish I had known that it was possible to rewrite the script they gave us."

You're in the middle of that three-act play and you're starting to realize you don't have to follow the script.

Get that bike and go to California.


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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2018, 08:34:59 AM »
You might want to read Ghost Rider:  Travels on the Healing Road by Neil Peart.  He suffered personal tragedy and got on his motorcycle for a lotta months and miles trying to get his head straight. 

Oh, and he happens to be a fairly decent drummer, too.   :)

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2018, 10:03:54 AM »
Your life sounds Lonely. Rather than thinking of all the things you can do for yourself to make yourself happy -- that is, chasing happiness -- give your time back to your community. Volunteer. Go build houses in a developing country. Meet people with similar interests. Connect. Instead of asking how you can be more happy, ask how you can be more useful. What is your purpose in life? Oftentimes, you'll find that happiness is a by-product of feeling like your life is meaningful.
I think you hit it on the head.  Everyone seems to be avoiding the elephant in the room and skipping to the happy road trip part.  If you have no desire/motivation to work and all your hobbies have lost interest, you likely are depressed even if not sad.  I went through a phase like this as well where for all intents and purposes I should have been happy, but hobbies held no interest and I wasn't motivated to even get out of bed after sleeping 12-14 hours.

Take your road trip if you want.  More importantly find a purpose (obviously doesn't need to be work/job related).  You can drift to a very dark place quickly if you go to long with no sense of purpose or direction.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2018, 10:16:01 AM »
Go do a road trip, you won't regret it.

15 years ago I took a severance package and lived out of my truck with a camper on the back for almost a year, and it was the best year of my life.  I am looking forward to doing mini-versions of that trip once I am FIRE in a few years.

Once on the road you'll find others doing similar and find yourself following the migration pattern that makes sense as weather changes and venues come into season.

Get out there and make it happen!

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2018, 10:34:39 AM »
Of course there's always that thought in the back of my head that I will get too used to it and give up my fairly frugal ways (I'm not nearly as hardcore as some here and never will be). Honestly I don't think I have any intention on living life the way I was in the past. Giving up your best years in order to save a few more dollars just doesn't seem worth it anymore - but maybe that's because I'm already in a fairly good spot.

Anyone else been through similar?

Yes. Like you, my midlife crisis came early though I was in my mid-30s rather than your spritely 28. Great job on being frugal, working hard, and investing - you should be proud of that. Very few people are anywhere near FI in their 20s.

I was consumed with school and career throughout my 20s. Fairly frugal through most of it (with a few slip ups along the way), very focused on getting to FI. This was good, no regrets. But by my mid-30s I realized life was passing me by. Your bolded quote above is a great summary of my thinking, very much in line with the following quote from the Dalai Lama when he was asked what surprises him most:

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Man. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.

Pithy quotes like this are often used to justify consumerist culture, to discard all common sense and do and buy all the things. Which is unfortunate because it misses the point. IMO this is about having a greater awareness of what we do and why. Making money should be a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. Midlife crisis usually happens once you're relatively well established and enough life has passed that you realize you're not immortal, then thoughts turn to questions of what's the point, what am I really living for? Done well this can be a healthy and life-giving process. Done poorly, such as avoiding the discomfort by use of substances or buying sports cars or other means of trying to recapture youth, it can result in disintegration.

All this to say: Take the road trip. A couple months on the road with a motorcycle is not going to break the bank, especially if you keep the accommodations cheap. But I would be mindful of the process - what do you hope to get out of it, what do you consider a good life and why? Travel is a great catalyst for such questions because it breaks us out of the day to day. You may discover that you want to do more travel at this juncture in life, or you may find that you want to deepen relationships with friends and/or family, or maybe volunteer more, or get in shape, there are many possible combinations.

California has many beautiful areas. Traffic can be an issue, but can also be avoided with some planning. Two tips: 1) Don't visit touristy areas (Yosemite, Big Sur, Tahoe) in the peak season and especially avoid holiday weekends and 2) avoid the Bay Area and the greater LA area. Touring the Central Coast from Monterey/Carmel, through Big Sur, and down to Santa Barbara in the Fall (after Labor Day) would be a fantastic experience. Way less busy, and that time of year typically has the best weather along the coast (warmer, less fog). The Fall is also a good time for the hwy 395 corridor along the Eastern Sierras, or the Lost Coast.

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2018, 11:40:42 AM »
First world problems much? Your choice is between being FI and doing nothing vs being FI and going on an adventure. Brutal. I really don't mean to be a dick, but maybe you need a bit of a wake-up call. Billions of people worldwide would consider your position to be something close to heaven on earth. Me included.

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2018, 11:44:41 AM »
First world problems much? Your choice is between being FI and doing nothing vs being FI and going on an adventure. Brutal. I really don't mean to be a dick, but maybe you need a bit of a wake-up call. Billions of people worldwide would consider your position to be something close to heaven on earth. Me included.

You don't mean to be a dick.... But then you pretty much dismiss their problems as non-existent.  Way to be supportive especially after several have indicated potential depression/mid-life crisis. Maybe you should work on your empathy or just not say anything if you have nothing helpful to add?

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2018, 11:49:19 AM »
Bored

Broke up with partner of 10 years recently

everything has just faded

I just feel really bored with no direction.

I will admit that some of this is due to the breakup

I think the road trip is an excellent idea, but I also think seeing a psychologist for awhile would be very helpful for you. I don't know you, obviously, but from your short post it sounds like you're grieving a pretty significant loss. I've felt very similar to what you've described while grieving for lost loved ones. Talking in person to someone who is professionally trained to help you deal with it very helpful for me.
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Yes. I went through a similar transition a couple of years ago. Be consciously aware that you are going to need to literally rebuild parts of your life. Loss of joy in things you enjoy is a sign of grief/depression. That is totally normal.

advrider.com has some great trip reports to give you some ideas.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
First world problems much? Your choice is between being FI and doing nothing vs being FI and going on an adventure. Brutal. I really don't mean to be a dick, but maybe you need a bit of a wake-up call. Billions of people worldwide would consider your position to be something close to heaven on earth. Me included.

You don't mean to be a dick.... But then you pretty much dismiss their problems as non-existent.  Way to be supportive especially after several have indicated potential depression/mid-life crisis. Maybe you should work on your empathy or just not say anything if you have nothing helpful to add?

I sincerely thought it would be helpful for the OP to have some perspective. Sometimes I am depressed or pissed and it helps when I can internalize that my problems are actually relatively minor. Hope the OP doesn't take offense.

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2018, 12:10:11 PM »
First world problems much? Your choice is between being FI and doing nothing vs being FI and going on an adventure. Brutal. I really don't mean to be a dick, but maybe you need a bit of a wake-up call. Billions of people worldwide would consider your position to be something close to heaven on earth. Me included.


This entire community is based on "first world problems".  But yeah, it's always good to have some perspective and gratitude for what we have.

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2018, 02:29:47 PM »
I would buy an inexpensive van and an e-bike and travel. You could travel all over the country in the van and sleep in it on occasion while touring the cities and small towns on the e-bike. 

That's something I want to do when I retire.

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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2018, 10:07:03 PM »
First world problems much? Your choice is between being FI and doing nothing vs being FI and going on an adventure. Brutal. I really don't mean to be a dick, but maybe you need a bit of a wake-up call. Billions of people worldwide would consider your position to be something close to heaven on earth. Me included.

On the flip side, this forum is about making your life better, no matter where you are along the spectrum of happiness. Deciding what order to invest in an HSA, 401k, and Roth is also definitely a FWP, but folks on here still offer plenty of good advice every day of the week.

Undercover, FWIW, I really like FINate's advice. Travelling the open road probably won't solve your problems, but it sounds like a fun and worthwhile experience, and it's easier to do while you're young and unattached.

I'd also say, though, that 4 years is a long time to be aimless. Start setting some goals and make sure you achieve them (easier said than done).

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2018, 12:54:52 AM »
I'd also say, though, that 4 years is a long time to be aimless. Start setting some goals and make sure you achieve them (easier said than done).

Disagree (probably different MTBI personalities or something).  Setting and achieving goals is the bane of real life.  Expectations from goal setting is the greatest cause of unrest. Real life happens, you know, serendipity and all that.  All one really needs is the motivation for a jumping off point.  Your breakup, although tough, is giving you this opportunity. Seize it! Do something that excites you as long as it is within your means to do so.

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I've felt very similar to what you've described while grieving for lost loved ones. Talking in person to someone who is professionally trained to help you deal with it very helpful for me.

Just out of curiosity (not knowing anything about you at all), how often (or how many hours) did you see the psychologist? Simply curious, since I always thought that you go to a psychologist for years on end -- I learned just recently that maybe only a few sessions might me enough already.

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Re: Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2020, 12:16:03 PM »
I agree that finding something you can do to give back to the community may turn around the feelings of apathy and boredom. Maybe after some traveling with your motorcycle you can work with Americorps or Peace Corps.  You are in a good position to do such work.

Also, you can look at Maslow hierchy of needs and see where you might be stuck in a category that is preventing you from growing.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html


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Re: Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2020, 12:31:03 PM »
I've felt very similar to what you've described while grieving for lost loved ones. Talking in person to someone who is professionally trained to help you deal with it very helpful for me.

Just out of curiosity (not knowing anything about you at all), how often (or how many hours) did you see the psychologist? Simply curious, since I always thought that you go to a psychologist for years on end -- I learned just recently that maybe only a few sessions might me enough already.

I just have to note that there are many kinds of therapy that are specifically goal oriented, with a limited number of planned sessions and an evaluation at the end to check progress.  The kind of therapy you are probably thinking of is more like psychoanalysis, where you try to figure out what underlies your particular 'issues'.  That might or might not have components of active goal-oriented therapy, and it might or might not go on for years (usually not, b/c only the rich have that kind of money).  And that can be useful if one has destructive behavioral patterns and no real understanding of why one keeps doing them.

But for many issues, and for many people who already know what their psychological traps are, the goal is to do active therapy focused on improving outcomes based on behavioral or cognitive change, NOT to endlessly talk about what's troubling them. 

Movies and tv give people very weird ideas about what therapy is like.

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Re: Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2020, 01:56:21 PM »
28. $400k net worth. $50k (mostly - very little input) passive income.

You're there. Can you live on less than $50K per year? Because you can do that forever while still accumulating and compounding. Do whatever you want with your life.

Maybe read Vagabonding by Rolf Potts if that sort of thing interests you.

EDITed to add - or maybe The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck by Mark Manson. I haven't finished it yet.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2020, 02:01:25 PM by PDXTabs »

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Re: Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2020, 02:58:27 PM »
I feel like I should point out that the original thread is from 2018 --  so I guess the original topic is not too relevant anymore. Sorry for not pointing that out in my first reply.

@wenchsenior thanks for this information! It's true that you learn something new every day :)

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Re: Bored - how can I fix this without straying too far from the path?
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2020, 12:32:45 PM »
@undercover, what happened in the past two years. I'm interested.
And pics, if the trip happened. Living vicariously through those would be nice at this point in the pandemic.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!