Bitch About Your Job Here

[mak1277]

I told my boss last year that I was concerned about my performance as I was worried about one of my children who was being evaluated by a Psychiatrist after some acute mental health issues. This has now progressed so some talk of harming self. One year has passed. My boss has not once asked about the well being of my family. Great leaders care. This person just does not care.

As a manager, I'd just like to point out that we are specifically trained/told by the corporate overlord lawyers that we are NOT to ask any questions about family or personal medical issues. If information is volunteered by the employee we are NOT to pursue and ask any other questions that can be construed to be of a medical nature.

If any of my employees ever says they need to take a sick day or a sick leave I always say "enough said, you don't need to tell me any more and I don't want to hear any more" before they can go into details.

The company doesn't want to get sued if I later have to take some type of action against the employee due to legitimate performance issues or if the employee gets laid off and the employee said "well, they laid me off because they kept asking about my mentally ill son and how it was affecting my work" and then sues the company.

Weird, but that's how it is, at least for us.

Unfortunately, what he ^ said is true.  I think it's all a bit ridiculous.  I blame the lawyers.

I agree with all of this, but there's also the possibility that your boss doesn't want to ask you questions that might upset you.  It's a much less significant issue, but I have an employee that is going through a divorce, and is pretty broken up about it.  He came to me and told me he had been distracted by that and thought his work was suffering.  Since then, I've wondered how he is doing with it, but I really don't feel it's my place to ask.  I don't want to upset him or bring up something that is negative.  Perhaps your boss is feeling the same way, and is unsure about how to approach you with that question.  It's a very delicate subject and you shouldn't assume your boss doesn't care.

[Hijinks]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

[sandandsun]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

Total bullshit.  That  kind of 24/7 schedule would be acceptable, like, once or twice a year to meet a looming deadline of some sort, but even then, buy your people a fucking pizza...  Are you all in different time zones or something?

[Hijinks]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

Total bullshit.  That  kind of 24/7 schedule would be acceptable, like, once or twice a year to meet a looming deadline of some sort, but even then, buy your people a fucking pizza...  Are you all in different time zones or something?

Nope, same time zones for the most part. We're finance lawyers, and our clients are investment bankers. We are well compensated but I really can't handle being on call 24/7 much longer. I know I should really just stop complaining and find something that's a better fit.

By the way, the call got pushed to 10:00 pm. Hilarious.

[ontario74]

Other than having to work day-by-day (crazy project) I can't complain much. The last place I worked was stagnant...nothing got done and the senior manager was the bottleneck.

Thanks to this community I've totally changed my perspective on work. I now live well below my means, invest lots, and am looking to age 55 to retire (14 years from now). I'll continue to enjoy life during that time of course, however I no longer fee like a striver and I no longer need to *prove* myself at work...I just need to do a good job and maintain balance.

[beaster]

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[AlexK]

I work for a Japanese technology company, but in a small R&D office in the US. Sometimes I'm in Japan for work. Believe me on this, we have it so great in the US compared to Asian workers!

They work 12+ hour days with strict bosses. Everyone must make the company top priority. Role call in the mornings. They play the company song over the PA 3x per day. They are required to take visitors out to fancy dinners/drinking and pay out of pocket. No chance to ever switch companies because it is viewed as a huge black mark to be disloyal and you won't be hired. And they make a lot less money, in a higher COL environment! Our engineers start at $31k over there!

These engineers come to our office for a year as trainees and they see it as a paradise with loose supervision, creative possibility, and reasonable hours.

So not bitching about my job at all. Could be worse.

[Tabaxus]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

Total bullshit.  That  kind of 24/7 schedule would be acceptable, like, once or twice a year to meet a looming deadline of some sort, but even then, buy your people a fucking pizza...  Are you all in different time zones or something?

Nope, same time zones for the most part. We're finance lawyers, and our clients are investment bankers. We are well compensated but I really can't handle being on call 24/7 much longer. I know I should really just stop complaining and find something that's a better fit.

By the way, the call got pushed to 10:00 pm. Hilarious.

Standard hours for a big firm lawyer.  But certainly not standard that you can't charge the meal to the client if you're hitting certain hours thresholds for the day.

[jslasher88]

I'm an underemployed college grad working as a bank teller/CSR for community style bank. I've been here about 1.5 years and helped open up a new branch in a new market and helped exceed a ton of goals.

Yet I can't stand it here. My managers are the worst - 1 clearly has no interest in the job, and the other is an erratic, unaccountable, unprofessional nightmare. I've been here 2nd-longest of anyone on this staff and yet most days I'm treated like an idiot intern that's only there to lick envelopes and dump shred bins. We have a ton of down time between customers so I'm always trying to find productive side projects to help them out. Yet I never get recognition, usually just blame and abuse for things that are out of my control.

[Stash Engineer]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

Total bullshit.  That  kind of 24/7 schedule would be acceptable, like, once or twice a year to meet a looming deadline of some sort, but even then, buy your people a fucking pizza...  Are you all in different time zones or something?

Nope, same time zones for the most part. We're finance lawyers, and our clients are investment bankers. We are well compensated but I really can't handle being on call 24/7 much longer. I know I should really just stop complaining and find something that's a better fit.

By the way, the call got pushed to 10:00 pm. Hilarious.

That's crazy hours right there.  I've had to stay late like you are doing for conference calls, but only when they involved customers on the other side of the world.  Most recently, between east coast, west coast, and Australia. 

[Nickyd£g]

I am SO BORED! I literally have nothing to do but had to come into the office today as the rest of my team is at an event.  And someone has to be in.  Ya know, "just in case".  ("Of what?!" I want to scream at my manager)

So I'm spending the morning on MMM, and will maybe redo my budget spreadsheets later.

[Zamboni]

^That sounds like a great plan for the day!!!

[Stash Engineer]

^NICE!

  I was just informed that the customer for my current project decided to change the layout of it, effectively throwing into the trash 2 weeks worth of work (and my life!) on a project that already has a VERY trunkated schedule.  YAY! More overtime with no pay is in my future! /end rant

[dude]

Somebody above described their job as a "money hose" -- perfect!  Yeah, work is work and work generally sucks (IMHO), but it would be pretty douchey for me to bitch about my job, which might be the best job in the world (but like any job, or . . . ah nevermind, shit gets old after a while).  So how about I just bitch at the commute instead?!  ;-)

[Hijinks]

7:30 pm and I'm waiting to get on a conference call to discuss a document that will need to be revised and distributed tonight. I was at the office until after midnight yesterday and was back in to the office by 8:00 am this morning. I'll probably be here until after midnight tonight, and I need to be in by 7:00 am tomorrow morning. They don't even provide dinner or a stipend for dinner when you work that late. This is bullshit, right?

Total bullshit.  That  kind of 24/7 schedule would be acceptable, like, once or twice a year to meet a looming deadline of some sort, but even then, buy your people a fucking pizza...  Are you all in different time zones or something?

Nope, same time zones for the most part. We're finance lawyers, and our clients are investment bankers. We are well compensated but I really can't handle being on call 24/7 much longer. I know I should really just stop complaining and find something that's a better fit.

By the way, the call got pushed to 10:00 pm. Hilarious.

Standard hours for a big firm lawyer.  But certainly not standard that you can't charge the meal to the client if you're hitting certain hours thresholds for the day.

Our firm actually has a policy of not billing meals to the client, which is a pretty big bummer when I'm almost always at the office past dinnertime.

I wouldn't be too fussed about working until 10:00 pm, but in this case, I knew it would result in a long night. I ended up going to sleep at 3:00 am and waking up at 7:00 am for a conference call. I know you get what you sign up for in biglaw, so I don't really have the right to complain.

[Jersey Brett]

Hi all, first time posting but I've been reading along for a few weeks.

My job now is not bad. It's a small construction firm and everyone here is about as crazy as me so I feel like I fit in. I'm also learning little touchups about running a business so I will do better when I FIRE. Before I ran this business I ran a small medical office. I've been heading towards FI long before I heard of money mustache.

I learned about how the market works after the crash and moved into commodities a few years after that. Since 2012 I have averaged a 32% return and expect to do better this year. I am a market timer and limit my exposure to commodities I know well. Unfortunately I started all this a bit late ( I'm 47 now) but hope to be free in a few more years. I really like this site. Its very encouraging to me.

[Jane]

My boss likes to create work just to have more things to say our team is doing. It is often things that really provide no value added to the company but can be very labor intensive and tedious. She also has a tendency to make things much harder than they need to be and to jump in and take over other departments' work.

One task in particular she keeps asking me to do is another department's responsibility, but a piece of it falls into one of the systems we manage so she wants me to just do the whole thing. It involves going through hundreds of very long documents and posting pieces of them, but if I mess up I could potentially share very sensitive company information with lots of people that shouldn't see it. She is asking me to go through things that are not my area of expertise, I don't really know what I'm looking at, and it's not something I can pick up easily without working for the other department full time (not something I want to do - I would quit if that ever happened).

 It would be solved if I could sit down with the other department to come up with a simple process of the person who created the document sending me the pieces to share, but she insists they are too busy to stop and do that. I keep trying to push back on this as respectfully as I can, coming up with ways I can still help while working with the other group, and she just won't hear it. It's their responsibility in the first place! Ugh.

[CowboyAndIndian]

I work for a Japanese technology company, but in a small R&D office in the US. Sometimes I'm in Japan for work. Believe me on this, we have it so great in the US compared to Asian workers!

They work 12+ hour days with strict bosses. Everyone must make the company top priority. Role call in the mornings. They play the company song over the PA 3x per day. They are required to take visitors out to fancy dinners/drinking and pay out of pocket. No chance to ever switch companies because it is viewed as a huge black mark to be disloyal and you won't be hired. And they make a lot less money, in a higher COL environment! Our engineers start at $31k over there!

These engineers come to our office for a year as trainees and they see it as a paradise with loose supervision, creative possibility, and reasonable hours.

So not bitching about my job at all. Could be worse.

+1

I used to work for NEC and I saw that also.
When they were deputed to the US, they enjoyed their time so much. They would OD on golf since that was beyond their reach in Japan.

I also remember the exercise during the day. Music would start playing on the PA and you stood up and did the exercise.

[MrsCoolCat]

Job and company are fine, BUT my boss is an inefficient micro-managing freak that believes 9am meetings are actually efficient... who the hell has a meeting everyday the very minute you step in? If you haven't read my Horrible Boss post she pretty much is the most inefficient incompetent turd I've ever worked under. She work dumps yet wastes my time constantly by having me print her papers (when she has a working printer), asks me to create unnecessary time consuming "binders" (among other tasks) and literally holds me hostage by stating, "hold on hold on" and then reads what I give her (when I'm just standing there and can't leave to do my work, work she's assigned me), usually stupid sh*t that she asks for like printing papers she has access to, etc. My cubicle is outside her desk, so there is no reason to have me wait except she feels that if she doesn't tell me right then and there she will forget... despite inefficiently wasting my time. Umm does that summarize it because I could go on but it's tiring me in more ways than I want to write about.

What I hate the most is that she has 2-3 daily "unofficial" meetings, one in the morning, mid-day and right before I leave even though she repeats herself the next morning. Literally repeat, start all over like a DVD. "What do you have going on," she constantly asks. My literal interpretation of that is that she wants me to waste my time and list out every detail of my day which I'm not interested in doing. I constantly imagine choking her in my cynical "beautiful mind". YEP.

[ohana]

I had a boss who would literally stand right behind me and watch me work for hours.  I did technical job he didn't understand, so I guess this was his way to be involved, but it was creepy. 

He's a much better ex-boss than boss; I count him as a good friend and a person I greatly admire for his accomplishments.

[AlexK]

One task in particular she keeps asking me to do is another department's responsibility, but a piece of it falls into one of the systems we manage so she wants me to just do the whole thing. It involves going through hundreds of very long documents and posting pieces of them, but if I mess up I could potentially share very sensitive company information with lots of people that shouldn't see it. She is asking me to go through things that are not my area of expertise, I don't really know what I'm looking at, and it's not something I can pick up easily without working for the other department full time (not something I want to do - I would quit if that ever happened).

That reminds me of a task I was assigned as a new engineer. I had to go through a stack of documents and remove any mention of my company's name. I was told the products were for a French company and the contract stated everything had to come from France, so we were making to look like it came from our French division. Seems legit.

It turns out the products were going to Iran, not France. And some people thought they could be used to make nuclear weapons (they couldn't). My company was fined $6M, president and others fired and some with criminal charges, and the feds raided our building. I wonder if I missed something in that stack of documents? Oh well, shouldn't have lied. It was a very sleazy company to work for. I bailed as soon as I found another job. I hope nobody googles this and tries to sue me for libel but every word is true so feel free to try!

[scottish]

I used to work for NEC and I saw that also.
When they were deputed to the US, they enjoyed their time so much. They would OD on golf since that was beyond their reach in Japan.

I also remember the exercise during the day. Music would start playing on the PA and you stood up and did the exercise.

I work for a Asian company and it's the same sort of thing back at headquarters.  It's completely different (i.e. North American normal) in the office here.  And they wonder why staff aren't more creative!

[jordy913]

I'll bite. I'm new to this forum, but one of the main reasons why I got interested in FIRE is because of my job/career path.

My situation is not THAT bad. Most people would actually say it's pretty good. I recently relocated to CO from NYC, and my company let me stay on and work remotely. Working from home is pretty awesome, but I've found it doesn't magically fix the stress/pressure/boredom/fulfillment from a job. While I don't have to deal with the same face-to-face BS and office politics, I still have to deal with pointless meetings, ridiculous requests, bureaucracy and I still answer a resounding NO to the question "did I actually contribute to society in a positive way today?"

I work in marketing, so I am part of the problem of selling people s**t they don't need. I started working at the company five years ago as one of its first employees. I have a great relationship with my direct boss and have been given lots of responsibility. It's also been really interesting to see a company start from 4-5 people to now 30+.

HOWEVER, I feel trapped at this company, and that no one else would hire me if I try to leave. I have a completely over-inflated title and a terrible case of the "imposter syndrome" all the time. I'm just waiting for someone to call me out on not knowing what I'm doing at all.

My deal is as long as I get to work from home and keep the salary I made in NYC, I'll stay. These two things help with my FIRE goals drastically. If ever those two perks go away, I have to leave.

I think ultimately, I won't be happy at any job. I'll always be thinking about all the things I could be doing, especially helping other people rather than designing intricate ways to take their money. So glad I found out about FIRE!

[retireatbirth]

I have a horrible micromanaging boss, but, on the bright side, that's what drove me to discover this forum.

[MoneyCat]

Today at work, the special education teacher I work with told our students that she and I would be fired because they did poorly on their essays.  Then, she swore at the kids.  After class, I found out from a few of my colleagues that she had been telling them that I was a horrible teacher and she hates my personality.  It's hard to deal with her, because she has tenure and I don't. 

Meanwhile, I lost half of my students all week to Common Core testing.  My job sucks.

[mustachianteacher]

Snow days as a teacher kinda suck.  Normal weather means a day of work is a day of work.  However, a snow day means I have to go to the actual school building for a teacher workday and then have to make up the day with students in the summer.  A 2 for 1 special (with no additional pay!).  Hope no one dies trying to come in for a workday.  It's not like it's the 21st century and teachers could get work done at home or something.

On the plus side I developed a cool lesson plan and found out a way to automate some of my grading online.  Neato!

Automated grading? Tell me more!

I teach in Southern CA, so no snow days here, but PLENTY of entitled rich kids. I think I'm actually pretty upbeat and positive most of the time, and I genuinely like teaching 80% of the time, but I'm having one of those weeks that makes we want to tell a kid to stop f***ing arguing with everything I say. He's 14 and thinks he runs the school. I want to be there when he gets whupped by some huge senior in high school!

[MrsCoolCat]

I have a horrible micromanaging boss, but, on the bright side, that's what drove me to discover this forum.

Me, too!!

[Drifterrider]

I like my job.  I am well paid.  I like most of my co-workers.

It is raining today so I guess that is my bitch :)

[mm1970]

I work for a crazy, depressing, failing start-up company. We just had our 3rd round of layoffs (and the people laid off got no severance).  But hey, we need all of you, please stay!  Don't go looking elsewhere!! (No raise since 2011 and the stock is basically TP now.)

So now the ones that are left are all "jockeying" for their "spot".  Prove their worth, their niche, whatever for the new company.

Apparently being one of the few people tech people left without a Y chromosome means...I get to do shipping, receiving, and Fed Ex for everyone!  WTF??  Gee, what a race to the bottom.

So, I'm also busy building a database to help everyone out (since our location doesn't actually produce anything anymore) and link data from 4 different people.  My boss's idea of "proving my worth".  He's right, we need it for sure.

But I'm also looking for another job (so is everyone else, not to mention the people who got laid off).  Here's to hoping the one company I interviewed with last year (and with whom I'm still talking occasionally), has something for me and decides they'd rather have ME, and not a more-senior director type.  They are busy hiring and have already hired some accounting and IT people.  Pick me, pick me!!

[use2betrix]

I have the best job I could hope for...high pay, limited stress, almost no overtime, lots of autonomy.

But it still sucks compared to doing whatever I want to do all day.

What is your gig? I'm quite curious ... and envious!

I run the internal audit department for my company.

Are you a CQA? I'm taking that exam in June.

My job is hit or miss. For the most part good and not overly stressful but I got a bit hot headed at times when it's not going well. Like quoted above, I do a lot of auditing on basically everyone. Found some issues yesterday I brought to project managements attention, watched some asses get majorly chewed this morning. One guy quit immediately afterwards. While I obviously didn't get in trouble as I only audit and report, when I report poor findings it can make things a bit hectic. Overall it's pretty smooth. Reasonable amount of downtime at work and it goes pretty smooth.

[livetogive]

Worked till 1230am on Monday night because my boss sent a crappy email at 10pm. Worked till 630-7 the rest of the week,  then on Saturday morning till 1pm.

This is all after being told in my review this week that I won't be getting promoted but that I'm doing a good job preparing my direct reports for their eventual promotions.

[OutBy40]

Remember the "don't give two fucks" attitude towards things that annoy you.  Your job is nothing but a means to an end.  You'll be retired soon enough and will never have to worry about being under appreciated again.

But man, the number of managers who have been promoted beyond their capability honestly is staggering, isn't it?

[MrsCoolCat]

But man, the number of managers who have been promoted beyond their capability honestly is staggering, isn't it?

It truly is who you know isn't it? So many rumors that my boss doesn't know what she's doing including people in high positions, her former "assistant" and me, yet here she is 14 years later. LOL, oh well.

[AllChoptUp]

It's paradise here but my building has no windows.

/disguised brag post
//complainypants reading off the charts

[Write Thyme]

Currently stuck in a low paying position. No opportunities for advancement. The company has been "hanging by a thread" (their words) for about 5 years. They gave up trying to lure people along with the promise of a raise "next year" all the while asking us for ways to improve and make things more efficient...and firing people that don't have positive attitudes.

I'm looking for a way out, but it's complicated with my husband's job and childcare.

[Jane]

I'll bite. I'm new to this forum, but one of the main reasons why I got interested in FIRE is because of my job/career path.

My situation is not THAT bad. Most people would actually say it's pretty good. I recently relocated to CO from NYC, and my company let me stay on and work remotely. Working from home is pretty awesome, but I've found it doesn't magically fix the stress/pressure/boredom/fulfillment from a job. While I don't have to deal with the same face-to-face BS and office politics, I still have to deal with pointless meetings, ridiculous requests, bureaucracy and I still answer a resounding NO to the question "did I actually contribute to society in a positive way today?"

I work in marketing, so I am part of the problem of selling people s**t they don't need. I started working at the company five years ago as one of its first employees. I have a great relationship with my direct boss and have been given lots of responsibility. It's also been really interesting to see a company start from 4-5 people to now 30+.

HOWEVER, I feel trapped at this company, and that no one else would hire me if I try to leave. I have a completely over-inflated title and a terrible case of the "imposter syndrome" all the time. I'm just waiting for someone to call me out on not knowing what I'm doing at all.

My deal is as long as I get to work from home and keep the salary I made in NYC, I'll stay. These two things help with my FIRE goals drastically. If ever those two perks go away, I have to leave.

I think ultimately, I won't be happy at any job. I'll always be thinking about all the things I could be doing, especially helping other people rather than designing intricate ways to take their money. So glad I found out about FIRE!

If it makes you feel any better, I think many people in marketing in particular have the impostor syndrome. I had an inflated marketing title at one point and felt exactly the same. I think it's because I didn't feel I had an actual skill, like being able to code or engineer something. I'm sure you know more than you think and are very capable :)

[Hijinks]

Worked till 1230am on Monday night because my boss sent a crappy email at 10pm. Worked till 630-7 the rest of the week,  then on Saturday morning till 1pm.

This is all after being told in my review this week that I won't be getting promoted but that I'm doing a good job preparing my direct reports for their eventual promotions.

I hate unpredictable hours almost more than anything else work related. Unpredictable hours + unfair compensation would drive me crazy. Do you have other options? Are you otherwise satisfied with your job?

Not a bitch from me (for once!), but one that I think my coworkers would have. I have a female coworker in her 60s who is a new hire. She makes good money (about $200k, I would say), and yet she is still working. Our line of work often requires long hours. Her abrasive personality, which no doubt is amplified by the stressful work environment, has basically alienated everyone in the group. We share a secretary who is a total sweetheart, but in all honesty, isn't terrific at her job. She's in her late 50s, has a daughter, and has mentioned many times that she won't be retiring anytime soon. The secretary now has to deal with countless unreasonable demands from the new coworker, and because she isn't an extremely skilled worker, she has limited employment options and basically just needs to suck it up and take it.

Both of these women's situations make me want to buckle down even more in pursuit of FI. I simply do not want to be pulling all nighters or taking BS from coworkers over the age of 50.

[BPA]

Have a meeting today with passive aggressive, self-centered department head because she lost it on me via department email yesterday for responding to her request for suggestions by suggesting that we come up with a department initiative collaboratively.  Apparently I was attacking her by suggesting we collaborate.  The assistant head pointed out that I was merely responding to her desire for suggestions, and not launching a personal attack.  Entertaining for the rest of the department.  Apparently they don't much like her managerial style either.

She's told me that the department at her last site bullied her.  She really doesn't see how her behaviour impacts the reactions of those who work in her department. 

85 more working days until RE.

[Mr_Chin_Stubble]

Not sure if this is a super appropriate topic or if this is even the right place for it, but I can't be the only one who feels the need to vent about work from time to time. My family is sick of hearing about it, and my friends don't really get it. The short term goal is definitely to find something better, and the ultimate goal is FIRE. But in the interim, I thought we could bitch about our jobs in this thread.

I'll start. My boss is having a shitty day, and consequently, he's being a bit shitty to me. He was pretty rude just now when I made a totally reasonable and necessary request that will ultimately help him. I wanted to gently inform him that I could quit today, never change my spending level, never receive any gains on my current stash, and still be set for the next 10 years. I don't wear golden handcuffs like the rest of the people around here, so if you want to keep me around, be nice!

Ah, I feel better already. :)

Meanwhile this is totally not cool at all. You're paid to do a job and you should be respecting your boss and your job or staying home.

There's someone I work with who said something like that I had to hold back every urge to not just bark out "THEN WHAT F--K ARE YOU DOING HERE THEN!?"

Meanwhile he screws everything up, doesn't care, and everyone has to pick up the slack.

[Cougar]

Worked till 1230am on Monday night because my boss sent a crappy email at 10pm. Worked till 630-7 the rest of the week,  then on Saturday morning till 1pm.

This is all after being told in my review this week that I won't be getting promoted but that I'm doing a good job preparing my direct reports for their eventual promotions.

I hate unpredictable hours almost more than anything else work related. Unpredictable hours + unfair compensation would drive me crazy. Do you have other options? Are you otherwise satisfied with your job?

second.

I have those too. wouldn't mind it so much if I didn't work next to someone that the most everyone knows sleeps at his desk and goes on long walks during the day and he's paid more than I.

They have yet to complain about my performance on anything, but the first time they do; I'm throwing him under the bus. I would have eliminated his position a long time ago if I were in charge.

[2lazy2retire]

Not sure if this is a super appropriate topic or if this is even the right place for it, but I can't be the only one who feels the need to vent about work from time to time. My family is sick of hearing about it, and my friends don't really get it. The short term goal is definitely to find something better, and the ultimate goal is FIRE. But in the interim, I thought we could bitch about our jobs in this thread.

I'll start. My boss is having a shitty day, and consequently, he's being a bit shitty to me. He was pretty rude just now when I made a totally reasonable and necessary request that will ultimately help him. I wanted to gently inform him that I could quit today, never change my spending level, never receive any gains on my current stash, and still be set for the next 10 years. I don't wear golden handcuffs like the rest of the people around here, so if you want to keep me around, be nice!

Ah, I feel better already. :)

hold back every urge to not just bark out "THEN WHAT F--K ARE YOU DOING HERE THEN!

Kinda how I feel when reading most of your posts

[Mr_Chin_Stubble]

@ 2  lazy

WHat is that supposed to mean? unless you have 600k -- mmm numbers not mine -- which is what an early retirement takes --then how are you any close to retiring more then I or anyone else is?

[iamlindoro]

WHat is that supposed to mean?

It means you consistently come across as a troll, and everyone is wondering why, on the extremely remote chance that you are not one, you are sticking around when you seem to disagree with pretty much the core thrust of the site.

Edit: Case in point- your response about "you are not any closer to retiring than I or anyone else is" is not even remotely related to what he said.  His relative closeness or farness from retirement has nothing to do with *your* behavior.  Suggesting that early retirement takes a minimum of 600K means you don't understand early retirement at all, and haven't absorbed the concepts of this site.

[Mr_Chin_Stubble]

Really? This is a quote right from this very website:

* A family of four in the US can live comfortably on about 24k per year plus having a paid-off house. With an nice conservative 4% annual withdrawal/return rate on your investments, you need $600k invested to generate this cashflow, inflation-adjusted, forever, plus your $200k house. $800k total. Or, if you want to get off your butt and work very occasionally to earn $12k per year, you can slice the $600k number down to $300k! Or you can save the $600k AND work, and keep saving more and more over the years – ending up a multimillionaire all while doing very little paid work.

** Holy shit, that’s quite a neat little verse I came up with there! Believe it or not, it happened completely by accident.

So then why don't you tell me what it means then?

Besides the ER posts I have no idea what youre talking about.

[iamlindoro]

Let me turn this around:  why do *you* think every thread you have started so far has been locked?

Just because you *can* retire with 600K doesn't mean it's the only way to do so.  You can have a pension.  You can have cash flowing real estate holdings.  You can have an annuity.  You can have extra-low expenses.  You can retire abroad.  There are literally hundreds of ways to make it work, many of which don't require large cash or stock/bond assets.

[Mr_Chin_Stubble]

I have no idea why. Ask the mods. I read the rules and followed them. It says you are allowed to argue if you follow the rules of the pyramid. I believe mine falls under counter-argument where I provide facts and info to counter-argue. I have 20+ posts there are only 2 that this applies which happen to be my OPs. Nevertheless 90%+ it doesn't apply.

A pension ?  You have to be 55 to retire on a pension in the US. That is Federal law. And that assumes you put in 30+ years of working. I would know since I'm vested in one. That is not really an early retirement.

As for the other things I'd like to hear the specifics about them. They sound even less likely than the 600k needed for an early retirement.

[iamlindoro]

A pension ?  You have to be 55 to retire on a pension in the US. That is Federal law. And that assumes you put in 30+ years of working. I would know since I'm vested in one. That is not really an early retirement.

You are incorrect, and most likely referring to a single specific pension scheme.  Take, for example, the pension scheme I used to be in, where you could retire after 20 years of service, and could be hired at 21.  Thus, you could retire on the pension alone at 41.  Or how about a military pension where you could theoretically begin to collect as early as 37.   Then take all the people who might not be able to collect on a pension until 55, and give them moderate other assets to bridge the gap until they can collect.  Retire at 35 with 400K and a pension at 55, spend 20K a year, and even without any appreciation you make it to your pension and you're already 20 years into retirement.  Think creatively.

As to all the other possible paths to retirement, start with the search function.  You will be much more accepted here if you learn first and express opinions second.  You seem to have it backwards at the moment, and your lack of knowledge combined with your arrogant attitude is diminishing your ability to be accepted here.

[StockBeard]

I've been working on this looooong project for several years now. I have close to no support on it from the company. Everyone wants to see its benefits, but nobody's willing to invest resources on it, so I'm driving this on my own. Yesterday I was in a meeting with another team, telling me that some of my team's work on this project created a bug in their systems that caused them heavy financial losses. It was the 6th meeting like that in the past 4 weeks.

Every single one of these meetings, I'm looking at the window, the sun is shining outside, and I wonder wth I am doing here.

[k290]

I have no idea why

Ignorance is bliss.

Let me help.

You're the worst poster ever. #WPE.

[Mr_Chin_Stubble]

There is no way you can retire that early unless you're police or fire fighter?

Further this not what we were discussing. We were discussing an early retirement mustachian style.

Your post describes traditional Baby boomer retirement with annuities (life insurance) etc. Not the same thing at all asa mustachioed early retirement.

Reading more and more of the posts here I get the idea that early retirement Stache style is becoming so distorted as to mean - my spouse says I can quit my job -- while they keep theirs -- and we're going to sell one of our SUVs and share our other one.