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Bike thread?
« on: April 24, 2016, 07:19:30 AM »
Good morning,

I want to get a bike, and I figure getting a used one is my best option. I have no clue about bikes though, what makes them good etc. I know there is a bike thread, but I can't remember where I saw it. If someone could link it here, that would be wonderful?

Additionally, do people have recommendations for good ways to haul groceries besides a trailer? I suppose a backpack would do just fine.

Thanks for the input!

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2016, 09:44:58 AM »
There are a bunch of bike threads on the forums, which might be worth checking out.

The first question generally is what you want to use the bike for - what distances, how often, in what conditions, and for what purposes.  Then next is often what your budget is.  I would also ask whether or not you are really set on making biking part of your life and if you are interested in learning how to do maintenance and repairs.

And there are a bunch of ways to carry groceries besides trailers...backpacks, panniers, baskets, and also cargo bikes (of quite a few kinds).

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 05:58:50 PM »
Distance - 4-6 miles on well maintained roads and paths
Frequency - 5 days a week
Conditions - South Eastern Unites States, so hot summer and big snows maybe twice a winter
Reason - I want to save money by using my car less. Additionally, it could be a good alternate or addition to my cardio exercise which I usually get through running.
I am serious about making biking a large part of my life so long as it is both feasible, saves me money in the long run, and fits efficiently into my life.

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 09:17:50 PM »
I just bought a Specialized CrossTrail Elite Disc.  Good fitness bike for riding on paths and dirt here on the coast in Central California.  I like the body position better on this bike (and the other Specialized fitness model Sirrius).  There are like 8 different configurations for the CrossTrail, and I went with the middle one, has nice Tekto hydraulic disc brakes, great 20 speed gear system, Shimano Deore components from Japan (a step up from the made in Indonesia Altus/Alivio/Acera garbage that Shimano churns out).  Mine was $1k new; I looked forever for a used XL frame, but no luck.  I've seen my model used for $500 and would highly recommend it.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2016, 09:56:42 PM »
I think you should look at a "city" style bike, which has skinnyish tires like a road bike and and upright frame with 'normal' handlebars, like a mountain bike.  I bought a bike like this brand new about a decade ago, for $400, and have done nothing but regular maintenance over the thousands of miles I have ridden it.  There is NO NEED to spend a lot of money for a commute as short as yours. 


Here's a link to a similar bike to mine (they don't have the exact model anymore).  It's still under $500.  http://www.marinbikes.com/us/bikes/description/2016-larkspur-cs1


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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2016, 11:04:31 PM »

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 08:54:56 AM »
Distance - 4-6 miles on well maintained roads and paths
Frequency - 5 days a week
Conditions - South Eastern Unites States, so hot summer and big snows maybe twice a winter
Reason - I want to save money by using my car less. Additionally, it could be a good alternate or addition to my cardio exercise which I usually get through running.
I am serious about making biking a large part of my life so long as it is both feasible, saves me money in the long run, and fits efficiently into my life.

Do check out the link to advice on buying used bikes...but before that, I'd go out and test ride as many bikes as you can from bike shops and see what feels good to you and what makes a difference...in the process, you'll get to know the options, what size bike fits you, etc.  Then scope out the used market if you want to save the money.  When I shop for used bikes, I look for major bike manufacturer's products and the quality of the components (again, see the link above), and I look at how everything is functioning - are the wheels reasonably true?  Are the bearings in the hubs and crank running smoothly, do the brakes look like they are in decent shape?  Are the chainrings and cogs straight and in decent shape?  I care a bit less about stuff that is easy to fix or replace (and that I would likely replace anyways) like sticky cables or worn tires.

After you get a bike, learning to fix a flat, clean and lube the chain, and then to adjust the derailleurs and get the tools to do so (and there are tons of resources online showing how to do these things).

As for carrying stuff - humidity and distance suggest that a backpack will leave you pretty damp, so unless you use a trailer or a cargo bike (which are probably your best options for hauling much weight), then you will need a rack on the back of the bike, and then either panniers or baskets attached to that rack.


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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 09:15:16 AM »
Shimano Deore components from Japan (a step up from the made in Indonesia Altus/Alivio/Acera garbage that Shimano churns out).

Deore components are nice . . . but I had no problems using an Altus rear derailleur for about 8,000 km of salty/slushy winter commuting over four years.  The bolt that attached the cable eventually fused in place requiring replacement of the derailleur, but it worked flawlessly for those 8000 km.  The Alivio shifters worked perfectly for that whole time too, as did the Altus FD.

They are far and away from being garbage.

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 09:29:22 AM »

Do check out the link to advice on buying used bikes...but before that, I'd go out and test ride as many bikes as you can from bike shops and see what feels good to you and what makes a difference...in the process, you'll get to know the options, what size bike fits you, etc.  Then scope out the used market if you want to save the money.  When I shop for used bikes, I look for major bike manufacturer's products and the quality of the components (again, see the link above), and I look at how everything is functioning - are the wheels reasonably true?  Are the bearings in the hubs and crank running smoothly, do the brakes look like they are in decent shape?  Are the chainrings and cogs straight and in decent shape?  I care a bit less about stuff that is easy to fix or replace (and that I would likely replace anyways) like sticky cables or worn tires.

After you get a bike, learning to fix a flat, clean and lube the chain, and then to adjust the derailleurs and get the tools to do so (and there are tons of resources online showing how to do these things).

As for carrying stuff - humidity and distance suggest that a backpack will leave you pretty damp, so unless you use a trailer or a cargo bike (which are probably your best options for hauling much weight), then you will need a rack on the back of the bike, and then either panniers or baskets attached to that rack.


This all seems like good advice. I will definitely start educating myself on maintenance, repairs, etc before I make the leap. Thank you all for the input!

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2016, 12:14:43 PM »
Shimano Deore components from Japan (a step up from the made in Indonesia Altus/Alivio/Acera garbage that Shimano churns out).

Deore components are nice . . . but I had no problems using an Altus rear derailleur for about 8,000 km of salty/slushy winter commuting over four years.  The bolt that attached the cable eventually fused in place requiring replacement of the derailleur, but it worked flawlessly for those 8000 km.  The Alivio shifters worked perfectly for that whole time too, as did the Altus FD.

They are far and away from being garbage.

I might have been exaggerating a little bit, although I did have nothing but trouble with my Altus components on my old-old Diamondback and the Altus/Alvio combo components on my old HardRock. 

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2016, 12:34:26 PM »
4-6 miles on well paved roads it really doesn't matter what you ride. City bike/hybrid is a great way to go but you could ride a 40 lb beach cruiser and you'd be fine. Buy a bike. :D

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2016, 12:49:59 PM »
I'm not the most mustachian on my bikes, but I do enjoy biking and currently have 3 (one more speed oriented road bike, a mountain bike, and a good all around bike which is what I'd keep if I could only have one).

I would definitely consider what are being called "adventure bikes", they generally have all the braze-ons so you can attach various different racks and what have you, are geared for just about anything and have clearance for skinny to fairly beefy tires depending on what kind of riding you do (you can change out the tires as needed). I really love my Specialized AWOL, it has drop bars and I threw on some skinnier tires here recently and it makes for a pretty fast bike that's relatively comfortable (not as aggressive in the posture as a true road bike) and I can easily put on a rack on the front and back of the bike if I want. I put on beefy tires and I can take on the more gentle mountain bike trails around here. There's a few models that have come out that are similar to it: Marin Gestalt, Giant ToughRoad, Surly Longhaul Trucker, just to name a few.

I know buying new isn't as mustachian, but if you try out a bunch of bikes from a bike shop I would consider buying from them (if you like a bike of course). They'll likely help you out more in the future (especially since you're new to bikes and biking) and it's good to support local business even if it's not quite the cheapest option.

Buying the cheapest nice bike from a bike shop is way better than buying the most expensive bike from Walmart.

Also, please learn to change a flat, they're so many people that ride pretty damn expensive bikes and don't even know how to change a flat tire (which is way easier on a bike than on a car).

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 02:30:09 PM »
If I were shop for a commuter bike again, knowing then what I know now, I'd look for something with an internal hub shifter. Lot lower maintenance on my wife's bike with one of those. Also would go with something with plenty of clearance for fenders and wider tires.  My bike is a hybrid style bike and is suitable for my purposes. Of course for what you describe, lots of bikes will work just fine for what you want to do.

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 02:34:22 PM »
The most important question is probably: 'how flat is your commute?'  If those well maintained paths are horizontal then just about anything will do the job for you.  If there are some major hills then weight and gear ratios become MUCH more important.  My four mile ride to the station would be a doddle if the station and my home weren't in different valleys so I very much appreciate the low gears on my basic touring bike - especially with a full load of shopping.  I would definitely recommend panniers as a backpack on a bike can be a real killer on the back.


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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2016, 02:52:45 PM »
The most important question is probably: 'how flat is your commute?'  If those well maintained paths are horizontal then just about anything will do the job for you.  If there are some major hills then weight and gear ratios become MUCH more important.  My four mile ride to the station would be a doddle if the station and my home weren't in different valleys so I very much appreciate the low gears on my basic touring bike - especially with a full load of shopping.  I would definitely recommend panniers as a backpack on a bike can be a real killer on the back.

That is a good question. I am moving to a new house soon, so I am not completely sure how rough the route will be. I just have the distance right now. I would assume I will have a few hills though based on which path I take because it is Southwestern Virginia. I have only looked at the different options for paths via Google Maps so far.

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2016, 03:26:29 PM »
That is a good question. I am moving to a new house soon, so I am not completely sure how rough the route will be. I just have the distance right now. I would assume I will have a few hills though based on which path I take because it is Southwestern Virginia. I have only looked at the different options for paths via Google Maps so far.
Maybe http://www.mapmyride.com/ would be useful?

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2016, 06:26:35 PM »
In regard to hauling groceries, I recommend against a backpack. They mess up your center of gravity, push your groin down into the bike seat (bad if you're a guy), & make you vulnerable to crosswinds (the backpack becomes a sail and you can be pushed into traffic). A rear rack & panniers or parallel pair of rear baskets with dry bags or even trash bags will be safer (http://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Bicycle-Carrier-Basket/dp/B001EL7P34/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1461630354&sr=8-9&keywords=bike+basket+rear).

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 11:38:24 PM »
Broke future doctor,
We have a lot in common.  I have struggled for a long time trying to find a bike.  Until I finally bought something.  I have to be honest with you.  Just get something.  Anything.  After several months, a year of biking on that thing, You will understand bikes, how they work, and what you really want and need.  Just make sure that the bike fits you.

As you can see, the advice here is all over the place.  Which means there is no correct answer.

I chose a hybrid.  My reason was that they tend to be a bit cheaper and can do a little of everything, (but nothing exceptionally well.)  It has gotten me off my butt and start riding which is awesome.  Plus, I am learning what I really want from a bike, what kind of riding i enjoy most, as well as how to maintain a bicycle.  Sometime in the future I may get something else and my hybrid will be my backup or I can sell it if I find no use for it.

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2016, 06:26:04 AM »
Broke future doctor,
We have a lot in common.  I have struggled for a long time trying to find a bike.  Until I finally bought something.  I have to be honest with you.  Just get something.  Anything.  After several months, a year of biking on that thing, You will understand bikes, how they work, and what you really want and need.  Just make sure that the bike fits you.

As you can see, the advice here is all over the place.  Which means there is no correct answer.

I chose a hybrid.  My reason was that they tend to be a bit cheaper and can do a little of everything, (but nothing exceptionally well.)  It has gotten me off my butt and start riding which is awesome.  Plus, I am learning what I really want from a bike, what kind of riding i enjoy most, as well as how to maintain a bicycle.  Sometime in the future I may get something else and my hybrid will be my backup or I can sell it if I find no use for it.

+1

This is good advice.  There are a lot of different types of bikes.  Tons of selection.  It's confusing if you don't ride regularly.  In my experience though, you won't know exactly what you're looking for until you ride around for a couple years.  You might decide that you need the fastest carbon fiber race bike around at that point.  You might decide that a beach cruiser is more your style.  It is very dependent on where you ride, how you ride, what you end up using the bike most for, and how you enjoy getting around.

Just make sure that the first bike you get has working brakes, working gearing, and can fit fenders/racks.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2016, 07:06:05 AM »
Forum member bakari wrote this: http://biodieselhauling.blogspot.com/2012/01/buying-bikes-from-craigslist.html

All good advice in there but God help the person that tries to buy a bike on CL.  75% is department store junk, 20% might be good but is completely overpriced.  The challenge is finding that 5% that is actually a good deal. 

I just bought my wife a very nice Specialized hybrid on eBay, FWIW.  Even with cross country shipping I got a good deal, IMO.

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2016, 10:25:53 AM »
Hmmm...bought all but one of our bikes on CL (bought the other one new). Great bikes, 9+/10 condition, good specs, usually bought around 40% of new price (my typical CL price point). All bought locally. Was able to look, ride, and bargain in person. But you DO have to know what you're looking to buy.

For most new commuters, knowing what to buy is probably difficult without buying one and turning over some miles. Me? I did a lot of reading online, so I was probably at the 80% level of certainty of what I wanted when I bought my first bike for commuting. Eventually I didn't change my bike choice. I just bought a different bike to do a different biking task. My original bike became my "greenway/bike path/trailer-hauling 10-miler", and my newer-to-me-but-older-in-bike-years bike became my work commuter and medium-distance rider. My wife has a similar duo of bikes.


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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2016, 11:04:49 AM »
I think my next step is to just go to a bike shop and start trying out bikes. If I find one that feels good and is in my price range, then I will probably go for it. I am trying to stay under $400 at the most considering that this will be my first "real" bike. I feel like this is fairly low considering what I have read, but I don't need an ultra light racing bike or anything.

I will probably go with a hybrid that I can easily put a rack on the back for panniers. That would probably give me enough storage for my typical grocery runs if I decide to use it for that. Right now, I am only planning on using it to commute to and from school, but as there is a grocery store on the way it would make sense to keep that option open.

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2016, 11:12:22 AM »
Buying bikes on Craigslist is easy if (and only if) you know what to look for. Luckily, bakari's blog post -- and this thread -- can help greatly with that. Brokefuturedoctor, post a link to your local Craigslist "bikes for sale" search and we can look through them and pick out the good candidates for you.

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2016, 11:32:11 AM »
Start with a bike. Then add a cargo rack to the rear, nothing fancy needed. Now, go get yourself a milkcrate, ask a store owner for an old handbasket with busted handles, etc and ziptie it to the rack. I made do for 5 years with a discarded grocery store handbasket.

When shopping, limit yourself to one handbasket. It will all fit in your cargo basket on the bike, and it is easy to use. Never put bags on the handlebars, bad things can happen, including crashes. Carry a compact backpack for extras.

Later on, if this works out for you consider a used set of pannier bags; or make your own from used square buckets (like kitty litter comes in). See instructables. I found a dirty set of ortlieb brand panniers for cheap (relative to full price) at REI garage sale. Frankly, the hold a lot and hold it well, but the basket is easier.

Don't stress over the weight of the bike, weight of the rack, etc. You are a utility biker, not a racer. You just want something that works well and is comfortable. Do get something with more than 1 speed, I'd recommend a 3 speed atleast. I use an old 21 speed hybrid (1997 univega via charisma) and love it. Make sure the bike fits you well. Read up, or go see a shop that can take care of it for you. Don't go skinny on tires for a utility bike. I just upped my tire size from a racing width skinny up to a more utility width (700c x 35) and am far happier and safer. Do get pavement tires, knobby dirt tires are annoying on pavement.

Always wear a helmet, eye protection (something hits your eye, you crash otherwise). Recommended are cycling gloves (for the next time you crash) and a high visibility vest (like construction/utility workers wear) to keep you from getting hit.

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2016, 01:13:01 PM »
I would like to know OP's local CL so we can shop for him.

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2016, 01:16:58 PM »
https://blacksburg.craigslist.org/bik/5536481757.html

Get it down to $300 and that is pretty good.

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2016, 01:19:48 PM »
Have at it friends!

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/search/bia

Also as height and even weight may matter, I am 5ft 11in and 170lbs.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 01:22:15 PM by Brokefuturedoctor »

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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2016, 02:08:27 PM »
Here are some candidates. Note that I'm not evaluating size (since I don't really know what will fit you -- even if you gave your height, torso vs. leg length, arm reach, etc. can vary -- and since I don't trust Craigslist ads to get the specs right).

First, some random assortments of multiple cheap bikes. One or more of these *might* be a real bicycle as opposed to a BSO.

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5537127018.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5544212518.html

Next, in the ~$100 range we have some bike-boom ten-speeds, things that need "TLC," a mountain bike or two (factor in the cost of getting smooth tires if you choose one of those), a folding bike and a fixie:

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5510576050.html - take it apart and soak the bits in white vinegar to de-rust them, then grease it and put it back together.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5516908103.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5545512210.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5538712822.html - folding bike of limited utility since it has 26" wheels and doesn't get very small (ironically, part of a promotion for smokers!)
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5534973848.html - despite being a modern Schwinn (which got pretty Wal-Mart-ized), it seems like it might be the best bike in this list.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5556479276.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5546169463.html - single speed
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5511857381.html - there is no such thing as a "women's only" bike -- unless it's an embarrassing color, it's fine for men to ride too.

There are also some good options in the ~$400 range, but I'm not going to list them here because one of the bikes above ought to work unless you're a picky weight-weenie. ; )

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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2016, 02:21:06 PM »
Here are some candidates. Note that I'm not evaluating size (since I don't really know what will fit you -- even if you gave your height, torso vs. leg length, arm reach, etc. can vary -- and since I don't trust Craigslist ads to get the specs right).

First, some random assortments of multiple cheap bikes. One or more of these *might* be a real bicycle as opposed to a BSO.

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5537127018.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5544212518.html

Next, in the ~$100 range we have some bike-boom ten-speeds, things that need "TLC," a mountain bike or two (factor in the cost of getting smooth tires if you choose one of those), a folding bike and a fixie:

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5510576050.html - take it apart and soak the bits in white vinegar to de-rust them, then grease it and put it back together.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5516908103.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5545512210.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5538712822.html - folding bike of limited utility since it has 26" wheels and doesn't get very small (ironically, part of a promotion for smokers!)
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5534973848.html - despite being a modern Schwinn (which got pretty Wal-Mart-ized), it seems like it might be the best bike in this list.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5556479276.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5546169463.html - single speed
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5511857381.html - there is no such thing as a "women's only" bike -- unless it's an embarrassing color, it's fine for men to ride too.

There are also some good options in the ~$400 range, but I'm not going to list them here because one of the bikes above ought to work unless you're a picky weight-weenie. ; )

Jack. You're awesome, thank you!

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 07:26:25 PM »
Here are some candidates. Note that I'm not evaluating size (since I don't really know what will fit you -- even if you gave your height, torso vs. leg length, arm reach, etc. can vary -- and since I don't trust Craigslist ads to get the specs right).

First, some random assortments of multiple cheap bikes. One or more of these *might* be a real bicycle as opposed to a BSO.

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5537127018.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5544212518.html

Next, in the ~$100 range we have some bike-boom ten-speeds, things that need "TLC," a mountain bike or two (factor in the cost of getting smooth tires if you choose one of those), a folding bike and a fixie:

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5510576050.html - take it apart and soak the bits in white vinegar to de-rust them, then grease it and put it back together.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5516908103.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5545512210.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5538712822.html - folding bike of limited utility since it has 26" wheels and doesn't get very small (ironically, part of a promotion for smokers!)
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5534973848.html - despite being a modern Schwinn (which got pretty Wal-Mart-ized), it seems like it might be the best bike in this list.
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5556479276.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5546169463.html - single speed
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5511857381.html - there is no such thing as a "women's only" bike -- unless it's an embarrassing color, it's fine for men to ride too.

There are also some good options in the ~$400 range, but I'm not going to list them here because one of the bikes above ought to work unless you're a picky weight-weenie. ; )

I'm sorry, but most of that is junk.  I just can't see spending $100 on something old and rusty when you can spend $300 and get something that is almost new and higher end.  Yes, I know how to work on bikes which is all the more reason for me to tell you to get something new(er).  New bikes are so much easier to work on and pretty much all parts are interchangeable and easier/cheaper to find.  I'm also going to assume that OP doesn't have the tools and know-how to make the repairs most of those bikes need so that means he's taking it to a bike mechanic. $$$ 
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« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2016, 08:59:57 PM »
I'm sorry, but most of that is junk.  I just can't see spending $100 on something old and rusty when you can spend $300 and get something that is almost new and higher end.  Yes, I know how to work on bikes which is all the more reason for me to tell you to get something new(er).  New bikes are so much easier to work on and pretty much all parts are interchangeable and easier/cheaper to find.  I'm also going to assume that OP doesn't have the tools and know-how to make the repairs most of those bikes need so that means he's taking it to a bike mechanic. $$$

First of all, newer bikes are more likely to have proprietary non-interchangeable parts than old ones. I categorically reject your assertion that newer bikes are easier to work on, and even if that were true, it's offset by the fact that they're a lot more disposable (for example, old-school ball bearings can be rebuilt; new-school cartridge bearings just have to be thrown out and replaced.) Take headsets: of the nine different kinds(!) listed here, at least seven of them are due to the modern phenomenon of proprietary bullshit proliferation. I'll take a conventional threaded headset, which I can fix with nothing more than some grease and a pair of adjustable wrenches (and maybe a stick or something if I need to whack the old races off the head tube), any day!

Second, bike technology progresses slowly -- new bikes aren't generally better than old ones (for example, a fancy indexed grip shifter that fails is worse than an old-school friction shifter that works). Aluminum frames are found on lower-end bikes than they used to be, but that's really about it.

Third, working on bikes is pretty damn easy and requires few special tools.

Fourth, and most importantly, 3x more expensive is 3x more expensive! Even if the OP took that $200 difference and spent it all on tools, and then spent a bunch of time reading sheldonbrown.com and watching Youtube bike DIY videos, I think that is an overall better investment than a $300+ bike that will still need repairs sooner or later anyway (and will have to be taken to the mechanic because the OP has no money left to buy tools then).

Out of the many (way too many) bikes I have, all but one have been bought for $100 or less each, and (except for a $20 tandem I'm rebuilding now) every single one of them was in perfectly rideable condition when I bought them. Hell, my daily commuter is a 25-year-old Specialized Hard Rock mountain bike I got for free. It was pretty rusty so I took it apart and powder-coated the frame, but that was cosmetic -- all it really "needed" was a $4 spray can of rust converter. It was usable before I disassembled it.

That said, you did run across one reasonable bike that I missed: https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5524529441.html, a $120 Trek mountain bike. Also, I'm certainly not saying any of the bikes in your list aren't good bikes -- on the contrary; they're better than they need to be! However, IMO there is a clear winner in the $300-400 range, which is the KHS hybrid in https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5517236653.html. If the OP wants to overpay for a bike then that's likely the one he should overpay for, since at least it doesn't have a suspension fork (which is worse than useless unless you're actually going off-road) and already has smooth tires.

Finally, I'll admit that my "older $100 bike" strategy does work a little bit better if you have a co-op nearby. There's one called "Share Bike" in Roanoke (which may not actually exist; it doesn't seem to have a website) and New River Valley Bike Kitchen in Christainsburg, about 35 miles down the Interstate -- which isn't ideal, but doable. (I'm spoiled: Sopo Co-op in Atlanta is within a couple miles of my house, which is great.)

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Re: Bike thread?
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2016, 06:36:26 AM »
I don't agree at all about newer vs older bikes.

They often use components that are difficult to swap.  They often follow older standards or have odd threading (Italian/French) that makes sourcing replacement parts a PITA.  Simply being older means that the components have seen more wear, and all bike stuff does wear out.  Cottered cranks are a PITA to work with compared to cotterless.  Replacing a cassette is much easier than replacing a freewheel, since the older freewheels usually get rusted on.  It's cheaper and easier to change reach with a threadless stem than with a quill stem.

Older bikes are typically heavier.  The bars are heavier, the frames are heavier, the saddles are heavier, the seat posts are heavier, the cranks are heavier, the wheels are heavier.  Heavy bikes are less fun to ride.

Down tube shifters are less safe than STI or even bar end shifters because they require you to lean forward and remove your hand from the bars.  They're more difficult to use in traffic because of this.

Older cantilever brakes are significantly harder to set up than v-brakes or even newer cantilevers.  Typically braking is better on newer models as well.

Older bikes often use heavy stainless steel rims that don't stop well in the rain.  These need to be replaced if you're not a fair weather rider.

Indexed shifting is safer to use in noisy traffic/rough weather.  You can't always hear when the chain is between gears in those conditions with a friction shifter, leading to more slipped chains.  I've used friction shifting on mountain and road bikes for years and am comfortable with it . . . but indexed shifting is just better.

I could go on and on.


Yes, there are some cool older bikes that are worth repairing and riding.  There are some deals to be had.  If you use the bike for very short trips (under 10 miles most days) you can ride anything and it'll be fine.  If you plan on depending on the bike day after day and spend a lot of time on it, it's worth paying a bit more for the many benefits that a newer bike will confer.

Nothing wrong with older bikes, but you need to really know what you're getting yourself into.


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« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2016, 08:00:58 AM »
I don't agree at all about newer vs older bikes.

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Nothing wrong with older bikes, but you need to really know what you're getting yourself into.

Italian and French threading? Cottered cranks? Stainless steel rims? You're talking about really old bikes -- older than the ones I recommended, except maybe for one. All the other "allegedly-old" bikes in my list were '90s or newer.

Granted, things like indexed shifting are certainly "nice to have" and single-pivot side-pull caliper brakes are annoying to adjust. But as you said, for the under-10-miles trips the OP will be taking, anything is fine -- which means stuff like that isn't worth paying $200 for.

I looked at both of the lists above and narrowed it down to the following (sorted by price)

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5511857381.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5524529441.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5534973848.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5516908103.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5517236653.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5531534695.html

Looks good. Go check out (and test ride) each one in turn until you find one you like. Start with the cheapest and work your way up, of course.

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« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2016, 08:13:50 AM »
The posts by Jack and GuitarStv perfect encapsulate the pro/cons of newer bikes vs. older. I lean more towards guitarstv's POV on this myself as someone who is on a bike almost every day.

I love old bikes, I think they're cool. They can be cheap to buy and can be cheap to ride. If you have the right tools, are good at finding spare parts and are generally mechanically apt. They can also be a royal PITA when you're talking about having one as your only bike which is your main mode of transportation.

I've found newer bikes *MUCH* easier to work on. I don't agree that you need a bunch of specialized tools for $200 either. Just about everything you need for a newer bike is included in this kit of which there are a ka-jillion version of all over the web for $50.

http://www.amazon.com/FANTASYCART-Universal-Mechanics-Bicycle-44pcs/dp/B0019J6ZLE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1461766119&sr=8-3&keywords=bicycle+tool+set

If I was only going 4 miles and it wasn't too hilly I'd probably look seriously at this single speed:

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5546169463.html

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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2016, 08:32:05 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2016, 09:01:43 AM »
I looked at both of the lists above and narrowed it down to the following (sorted by price)

https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5511857381.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5524529441.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5534973848.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5516908103.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bid/5517236653.html
https://roanoke.craigslist.org/bik/5531534695.html

I think the first one and the last two look best...but it depends on fit mostly (the one silver schwinn is BIIIIG), and their condition...good luck!

I do like the last two, but one is 45 minutes away and the other's asking price is at my upper limit. Also, I didn't notice how big that schwinn was at first, but that frame is probably at the top of my hip!

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« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2016, 10:55:37 AM »
I don't agree at all about newer vs older bikes.

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Nothing wrong with older bikes, but you need to really know what you're getting yourself into.

Italian and French threading? Cottered cranks? Stainless steel rims? You're talking about really old bikes

Maybe a bit extreme but he makes a good point. Here is a more recent example:  I wanted to replace the 9 speed rear derailleur on my barely 10 year old bike.  Well guess what, if you want a Deore or greater level RD, the standard is now 10 speed.  If you want to go 10 speed you also need a new chain, cassette, and crankset. I was able to find a 9 speed RD but my options were limited compared to if I had something newer.  Once you start getting into older bikes, replacement parts become rarer. And rarer by no means is better.  It just means more expensive.

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« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2016, 11:21:13 AM »
Also regarding proprietary headsets, I agree they suck but they are the exception rather than the rule.  1 1/8" threadless has been the standard for almost 20 years.

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« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2016, 11:30:36 AM »
I bought a new bike four years ago that came with a threaded steer tube and threaded headset.

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« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2016, 11:38:53 AM »
I bought a new bike four years ago that came with a threaded steer tube and threaded headset.

Is it a Pacific or a Huffy?

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« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2016, 11:55:57 AM »
It's a nicely spec'd touring bike.

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« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2016, 12:02:48 PM »
It's a nicely spec'd touring bike.

I modified an older, but nice steel frame bike with threaded headset and put in an adapter able to accept modern stems.  That and getting ride of the downtube levers for integrated brake/adjusters and that is a sweet ride now.

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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2016, 12:05:26 PM »
Maybe a bit extreme but he makes a good point. Here is a more recent example:  I wanted to replace the 9 speed rear derailleur on my barely 10 year old bike.  Well guess what, if you want a Deore or greater level RD, the standard is now 10 speed.  If you want to go 10 speed you also need a new chain, cassette, and crankset. I was able to find a 9 speed RD but my options were limited compared to if I had something newer.  Once you start getting into older bikes, replacement parts become rarer. And rarer by no means is better.  It just means more expensive.

On the contrary; 5/6/7/8-speed parts are plentiful, cheap, and often-interchangeable (this page has the low-down). And by "cheap," I mean "rummage through the parts bin at the co-op and then donate five bucks."

In other words, you had problems replacing your 9-speed parts because they were too new, not too old!

Here's what Sheldon has to say about it (from the same page linked before):

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Component manufacturers like to sell you lots of new parts, even if you don't need them. This has led to much confusion as various parts are labeled as if they are incompatible with other parts even though they are actually usable with little or no problem. Also, design often is churned by spec hype, and "keeping up with the Joneses," as in more sprockets, lighter weight, higher-priced components must be better. "Jones" is also a slang term for a drug addiction!

In reality, the fancier parts aren't always the most suitable, in the same way that a Ferrari, while it is a great racecar, isn't at all as good for daily transportation as a Toyota -- there are practical issues of cost, reliability, serviceability and durability. With bicycle components, the performance gain with higher-end models is often minuscule. Remember, you account for 80 percent of the weight even if you are riding a rather heavy bicycle!

FYI, I'm using a 7-speed shifter and derailleur with an 8-speed cassette on my commuter right now. (I broke the rear wheel, the first $5 compatible wheel I ran across at the co-op had an 8-speed, and I couldn't be bothered to swap it out.) Obviously, I can only use seven of the gears, but aside from that it works fine -- and since I have old-school thumb shifters, if I really wanted that eighth cog I could just switch it to friction mode. Or I could go rummage through the bin and find a set of sweet $5 8-speed integrated brake/trigger shifters, but I still can't be bothered.

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« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2016, 07:30:13 PM »
Also regarding proprietary headsets, I agree they suck but they are the exception rather than the rule.  1 1/8" threadless has been the standard for almost 20 years.

Unless you're riding a mountain bike, in which case you have the wonderful choices of 1.5" straight though, 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered, old school 1 1/8". Some are integrated (in the frame) and some are external pressed in cups. Also don't forget the clamp size for the bars themselves changed from 25.4mm to 31.8mm. :D

Roadies got it easy. :D

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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2016, 06:42:42 AM »
Also regarding proprietary headsets, I agree they suck but they are the exception rather than the rule.  1 1/8" threadless has been the standard for almost 20 years.

Unless you're riding a mountain bike, in which case you have the wonderful choices of 1.5" straight though, 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered, old school 1 1/8". Some are integrated (in the frame) and some are external pressed in cups. Also don't forget the clamp size for the bars themselves changed from 25.4mm to 31.8mm. :D

Roadies got it easy. :D

Tapered head tubes and matching forks are getting much more common on the road as well.  And let's not even talk about the mess of non-standardization surrounding bottom brackets on road bikes. . .

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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2016, 08:45:31 AM »
Also regarding proprietary headsets, I agree they suck but they are the exception rather than the rule.  1 1/8" threadless has been the standard for almost 20 years.

Unless you're riding a mountain bike, in which case you have the wonderful choices of 1.5" straight though, 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered, old school 1 1/8". Some are integrated (in the frame) and some are external pressed in cups. Also don't forget the clamp size for the bars themselves changed from 25.4mm to 31.8mm. :D

Roadies got it easy. :D

Tapered head tubes and matching forks are getting much more common on the road as well.  And let's not even talk about the mess of non-standardization surrounding bottom brackets on road bikes. . .

Dude, tell me about it! I mean, I get that everything is going pressfit because you can't have threads in a carbon frame. But FFS do we REALLY need 16 'standards'?

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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2016, 09:03:32 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2016, 04:32:44 AM »
My cheapish hybrid bike has a seven speed RD (the drivetrain has Tourney bits in it, I know), and it works well enough. At least it means replacement parts are pretty cheap. I don't really use all of the gears anyway.

Even bikes that are five years old are probably quite a bit cheaper than new bikes.

I do sometimes wish I had disc brakes and a chain cover, but other than that it's a good bike.

I will say that there's nothing wrong with buying a new bike if you're not good at picking the good used bikes from the junky ones. I know it's antimustachian, but spending $500 or so on something that's used regularly might be quite OK. Alternatively maybe there's a local shop that sells refurbished used bikes (even a non-profit store).

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