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« on: April 14, 2015, 10:16:44 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/business/owner-of-gravity-payments-a-credit-card-processor-is-setting-a-new-minimum-wage-70000-a-year.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&assetType=nyt_now&_r=1

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Owner of a Credit Card Processor Is Setting a New Minimum Wage: $70,000 a Year

Bravo for this CEO. He's probably made bank the last few years and now has enough to share the joy.

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 10:25:45 AM »
I would really enjoy a follow-up story 3-5 years from now.

Will the employees really be happier, or will hedonic adaptation erode those gains?

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 10:29:54 AM »
I bet employee turn over at that place will be pretty close to 0%. Except that some people making close to $70,000 will be pissed because they got a $5,000 raise and other people got a $25,000 raise.

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 11:38:27 AM »
I would really enjoy a follow-up story 3-5 years from now.

Will the employees really be happier, or will hedonic adaptation erode those gains?

Good point. There will certainly be hedonic adaptation. The company should offer budgeting classes with the raises.

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 01:40:41 PM »
I bet employee turn over at that place will be pretty close to 0%. Except that some people making close to $70,000 will be pissed because they got a $5,000 raise and other people got a $25,000 raise.

I get the sentiment, but being upset by this is irrational. The X amount of money you make doing your job isn't suddenly worth any less if someone else starts making X for something you consider to be a lesser job.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 01:51:56 PM »
I'm sure the after-effects on the employees will be a mixed bag as far as what they do with the money, but I'm quite impressed that the CEO can cut his own salary by 90%. He sounds like someone we'd like to see around here.

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 01:54:49 PM »
Money absolutely does make people happier, especially around that magic $70K figure.

I suppose a sudden "windfall" of $20K extra a year might cause some people to change their habits for the worse, but all in all, I think it's a net positive. I've never liked the argument that you shouldn't pay someone because they might spend it on something stupid. That's for them to decide.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 02:58:47 PM »
What will happen is that the employees will start complaining that 70k isn't enough.  They will want more.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »
This works as long as the margins are insane. As soon as the work gets commoditized, you can't afford to overpay employees.


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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 04:59:09 PM »
This works as long as the margins are insane. As soon as the work gets commoditized, you can't afford to overpay employees.

If you cut $930,000 from your own salary, you can afford a lot of other stuff.

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2015, 05:20:07 PM »
What will happen is that the employees will start complaining that 70k isn't enough.  They will want more.

I doubt it. What would they do? If they leave for another company, their salary would drop substantially and the CEO is also making $70k. I think you're underestimating people.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 06:03:16 PM »
I see a few problems with this idea:
-Will lower level employees work hard when there is literally no monetary reward for advancement to the next level in the company?
-Will lower level employees who are terminated/quit face huge financial difficulties as they will be used to a $70K salary when their market value is a lot less.
-If the company reverses the decision, this issue will apply to all lower level employees.
-Even with the reduction of salary for the CEO, how can the company afford it?
-Even if the company can still be profitable with the increased salaries, would the shareholders be okay with making less profit. I think if I was on the BOD, I would definitely be considering replacing the CEO.

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2015, 07:58:13 PM »
I see a few problems with this idea:
-Will lower level employees work hard when there is literally no monetary reward for advancement to the next level in the company?
-Will lower level employees who are terminated/quit face huge financial difficulties as they will be used to a $70K salary when their market value is a lot less.
-If the company reverses the decision, this issue will apply to all lower level employees.
-Even with the reduction of salary for the CEO, how can the company afford it?
-Even if the company can still be profitable with the increased salaries, would the shareholders be okay with making less profit. I think if I was on the BOD, I would definitely be considering replacing the CEO.
- It isn't stated, but I would assume that the 70k floor will lift the other wage levels as well. I anticipate his supervisory and managerial staff is in for a suitable increase to their compensation.
- If they inflate their lifestyle, sure. Is that anyone's problem but their own? Nope.
- Pay cuts suck, but they happen. What's important to note is that they are already happening at the top to make this move financially neutral.
- The article says: By devoting a substantial portion of company profits towards payroll. It's also a fairly small company.
- The company is not publicly traded, and appears to be owned by one man.

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2015, 08:44:43 PM »
Loved the guys bio.   Too bad only the government can sustain this type of malarky for very long.

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2015, 07:21:19 AM »
Minimum salary 70k is not the same as average salary of 70k...


I'm interested to see how this company does down the road.  If you get hired on at 70k, you are going to want a raise every year, same as you would have if you got hired on at 30k- because you think your entry level was worth that, and then you become more experienced down the road.   Not to mention, the guy with specialized training and education to do a very specialized job is going to be pissed if he makes exactly the same as the guy with neither who does a job a trained monkey can do.  So are the people who WERE making 70k going to be bumped up to 100k?




The labor costs are going to be huge.  Can the market really support that? 
I guess if it mostly comes from CEO compensation budget, then it shouldn't really hurt the bottom line.

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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2015, 08:51:39 AM »
What will happen is that the employees will start complaining that 70k isn't enough.  They will want more.

Ironically, I think only the ones already making more than $70K will begin to believe they aren't making enough.

On the other hand, the ones that are being lifted up to the $70K level might feel the "Golden Handcuffs" effect and stay abnormally loyal to jobs that the outside market wouldn't pay as well.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2015, 08:55:32 AM »
I see a few problems with this idea:
-Will lower level employees work hard when there is literally no monetary reward for advancement to the next level in the company?
-Will lower level employees who are terminated/quit face huge financial difficulties as they will be used to a $70K salary when their market value is a lot less.
-If the company reverses the decision, this issue will apply to all lower level employees.
-Even with the reduction of salary for the CEO, how can the company afford it?
-Even if the company can still be profitable with the increased salaries, would the shareholders be okay with making less profit. I think if I was on the BOD, I would definitely be considering replacing the CEO.
1) Maybe he has hired quality employees who work hard regardless, and as they feel they are cared for by their employer, will continue to do so.
2) Sounds like a personal problem.
3) And....?
4) It's in the article.
5) He founded the company. As far as I'm concerned, he can make his own decisions. He's pulling $1mil a year - something tells me he is no fool.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 10:34:53 AM »
Great idea but I wonder how HR will deal with raises etc down the road.  I'm in HR and all employees are on a raise cycle.  If they're below the mid point of their range, their cycle is 9-12 months.  If they're toward the top of the range the cycle is usually 18-24 months.  Will they expand those cycles or eliminate cycles altogether to control costs?  Hmmm...interested experiment.

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 02:40:32 PM »
I'd be pretty pissed off if I was making $70k and a bunch of people who were making $50k got $20k raises and were suddenly making the same thing as me.

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2015, 03:44:12 PM »
I'd be pretty pissed off if I was making $70k and a bunch of people who were making $50k got $20k raises and were suddenly making the same thing as me.

heh heh Why? Envy? Delusions of grandeur? trying to protect your phony baloney job? Universal arbiter of who should have what? How does somebody else making more money affect your job or lifestyle?  Why aren't celebrating the private property owner's right to do whatever the "F" he wants with his money?  I mean if  a business is doing it, it must be true and right and just and efficient? Business people know best. Disgruntled employees are dangerous.  People who notice what other people are making are just envious. They should pull harder on their boot straps (or some sht) or use their freedom to get a better job. Or start their own business and out-compete the other guy. Go where they can make more money than the other people around them to feel good.

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2015, 06:41:05 AM »
I'd be pretty pissed off if I was making $70k and a bunch of people who were making $50k got $20k raises and were suddenly making the same thing as me.

heh heh Why? Envy? Delusions of grandeur? trying to protect your phony baloney job? Universal arbiter of who should have what? How does somebody else making more money affect your job or lifestyle?  Why aren't celebrating the private property owner's right to do whatever the "F" he wants with his money?  I mean if  a business is doing it, it must be true and right and just and efficient? Business people know best. Disgruntled employees are dangerous.  People who notice what other people are making are just envious. They should pull harder on their boot straps (or some sht) or use their freedom to get a better job. Or start their own business and out-compete the other guy. Go where they can make more money than the other people around them to feel good.
I don't think this particular business owner knows best.  Someone needs to do a follow-up about 5 years from now to see how this experiment turns out.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2015, 07:06:48 AM »
I see a few problems with this idea:
-Will lower level employees work hard when there is literally no monetary reward for advancement to the next level in the company?
It may be a surprise to you, but most peopel dont work hard because they may probably enventually get to a higher level and earn more.

Sustainable motivation is intrinsic. Extrinsic one needs to be constantly increased - thats why these levels are (btw. in a lot of countries its not normal, esp. to have more or less guaranteed rises). But the increases also need to be incresed. Because you are entiteled to an increse and if the increse gets small, the company has stolen your money!!!

The knowledge that the CEO get the same amount of money is likely to be more root for hard work then an increase based on levels.


Regarding the sustainability I am also worried, at 80% of profit, but on the other hand the only "new" expenses for a quite young accounting firm are what - a new computer for each employee every 5 years? Its not a "big investment" area of work like road building. The biggest chunk by far is wages.

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2015, 07:37:28 AM »
Most of the coverage of this story hasn't mentioned that wages are a small portion of CEO compensation. Stock options can be worth much more (when Steve Jobs famously took his $1 salary he was still making millions per year in options). It's not like this guy is taking a vow of poverty by reducing his salary to $70k.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2015, 07:42:25 AM »
Business people know best.

If this were true, businesses would never fail. Yet they do- all the time.

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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2015, 07:56:50 AM »
Most of the coverage of this story hasn't mentioned that wages are a small portion of CEO compensation. Stock options can be worth much more (when Steve Jobs famously took his $1 salary he was still making millions per year in options). It's not like this guy is taking a vow of poverty by reducing his salary to $70k.

It says that in addition to reducing his own salary to cover the costs, profits will fall by up to 80%, so it's not like there is that much distributable income left.

Profits this year are expected to be $2.2M. After the pay increase, that falls to around $440K. Valued at a P/E of 15 (which translates to earning $440K a year in perpetuity discounted at a 6.67% interest rate), the company is now worth around $6.5M. I don't know how much of the company he owns, but if it is anywhere close 100%, he is sitting on a multi-million dollar asset. He'll probably be fine.

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2015, 11:55:11 AM »
CNBCrap interviewed the CEO yesterday. He addressed some of the concerns not mentioned in the article (you can find the video segment on the relevant site).

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2015, 12:49:01 PM »
Most of the coverage of this story hasn't mentioned that wages are a small portion of CEO compensation. Stock options can be worth much more (when Steve Jobs famously took his $1 salary he was still making millions per year in options). It's not like this guy is taking a vow of poverty by reducing his salary to $70k.

The company is privately owned by the CEO and his brother. No stocks to be traded.   He's not taking a vow of poverty.  He's already talked about how he doesn't spend the money he makes.  In a CNN interview he said his position has a $1 million salary for the sake of continuity if he ever has to step aside and give the job to someone else.  How that particular arrangement would work if someone else ever took over is an interesting factor to look at a few years from now.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2015, 12:52:47 PM »
Business people know best.

If this were true, businesses would never fail. Yet they do- all the time.


You missed my effin' drift.   Completely

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2015, 07:05:52 AM »
By the equity theory of motivation, it might be good to still have some pay gap between different levels of hierarchy and authority to prevent those with more senior and presumably stressful jobs from becoming demotivated. The logic would run something like this: "Why should I bust my arse to get 75k when my secretary makes 70k for watering the office plants*?". The beneficiaries of the pay bump are probably feeling pretty damn motivated, though. Depending how flat the hierarchy is, that may not be much of an issue, though. With 120 staff, you're looking at around 4 layers: 100 line staff, 16 managers, 4 executives, CEO.

I saw an example of pay-based demotivation recently in my current job. My supervisor is a temp, and is getting paid less than one of his subordinates (though she was on a ludicrously high salary for her job role). He discovered the fact and overnight turned from snarky-yet-efficient to surly-doesn't-give-a-damn, and I don't blame him.

This story reaffirms my belief that privately held companies are generally more innovative, entrepreneurial and beneficial to the economy than public companies, all else held constant, due to the correct alignment of incentives between management and ownership. This guy owns and manages the company, so he calls the shots. If he were head of a similar-sized public company (quite small for a public company, but I digress) he'd be shown the door by the board within the week, unless he had a tongue made of pure silver.

*Have been secretary. Have watered plants. Didn't get 70k. Sadface.

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2015, 07:24:45 AM »
I bet employee turn over at that place will be pretty close to 0%. Except that some people making close to $70,000 will be pissed because they got a $5,000 raise and other people got a $25,000 raise.

It will be a lot lower for those who made less than $70k and perhaps considerably higher for those close to or above it.

People don't like feeling shafted, and whether or not they were happy to work for $70k before will be largely irrelevant to whether or not they feel they can be happy going forward.


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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2015, 10:06:49 AM »
I would be happy! That would be a $20,000 raise for me. I don't think it's fair to resent what you make because people below you got a good raise and are now close to your salary. I'm sure there are those who will feel that way, but I sure wouldn't feel bad for them.

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2015, 02:46:07 PM »
By the equity theory of motivation, it might be good to still have some pay gap between different levels of hierarchy and authority

I saw an example of pay-based demotivation recently in my current job. My supervisor is a temp, and is getting paid less than one of his subordinates
I dont think your example is valid, because here you HAVE a pay gap based on seniority, experience and type of contract.

Also you dont need a pay gap between anyone if you follow the "we are all in one boat" theory of motivation ;) And also the most dis-motivating thing is (btw. as it is in your example I would guess) people getting paid differently for the same work/work load.
Which is the reason why states have a fixed payscale on type of work and age of contract (and of course level in hierarchy, too) for their workers. To have it as best as possible that everyone gets paid based on ther work.
 Problem with that is that everyone things he does more and better then is coworker. Its like the 90% of drivers are better then average.

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It will be a lot lower for those who made less than $70k and perhaps considerably higher for those close to or above it.

People don't like feeling shafted, and whether or not they were happy to work for $70k before will be largely irrelevant to whether or not they feel they can be happy going forward.

Tee hee.  Why would they feel shafted? Why don't they just stfu and get back to work? Why don't they just conclude that the free market has decided they're getting paid what they're worth and the  lesser beings  were undervalued all this time? I guess envy is OK if it's One-way in the proper direction. Otherwise it's socialism or getting shafted.

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2015, 08:46:46 PM »
Update:  It's not all roses with this drastic change.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/business/a-company-copes-with-backlash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/01/seattle-ceo-who-set-firm-minimum-wage-to-70g-rents-house-to-make-ends-meet/?intcmp=hpbt4

Synopsis:

The announcement garnered Gravity Payments additional clients which required more employees - and the extra elevated salaries that went with it.  At the same time it cost them clients who thought their rates would be raised to cover the new costs.
Some of his most senior employees quit due to entry level employees doubling their salaries while the hardest workers got nothing.
His older brother (and business partner) is suing him for sinking the company's profits into this and leaving him high and dry.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2015, 09:28:03 AM by Travis »

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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2015, 04:16:36 AM »

Update:  It's not all roses with this drastic change.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/business/a-company-copes-with-backlash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0
[urlhttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/01/seattle-ceo-who-set-firm-minimum-wage-to-70g-rents-house-to-make-ends-meet/?intcmp=hpbt4[/url]

Synopsis:

The announcement garnered Gravity Payments additional clients which required more employees - and the extra elevated salaries that went with it.  At the same time it cost them clients who thought their rates would be raised to cover the new costs.
Some of his most senior employees quit due to entry level employees doubling their salaries while the hardest workers got nothing.
His older brother (and business partner) is suing him for sinking the company's profits into this and leaving him high and dry.

His brother's lawsuit is not directly related to the $70k salary floor. His brother is suing him for taking higher compensation in the past (his $1MM salary).

Gravity is still getting +75% more clients each month (350 vs. 200) due publicity and people wanting to do business with them due to how they treat employees.

It'll be interesting to check back in a year and see how things are going.

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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2015, 07:53:31 AM »
There's an article that talks about some of the valuable employees quitting.  It's not like everyone left, but a lot of what has been discussed on this board has happened -- even some of those making less than 70k (the salary is phased in over time) aren't happy because their co-workers have turned into clock punchers.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-raised-minimum-wage-70-212850113.html


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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2015, 09:10:47 AM »
It's fairly easy to get rid of under performing employees in US so there shouldn't be too much of a problem with "clock punchers". 

As for the whole concept I guess I would be pretty annoyed as well if people straight from a technical school who have to be told exactly what to do would be making the same as a guy with PhD who is capable of independent research. I've heard from a friend working in R&D in Sweden where a difference in a salary between employees is mandated to be very low (<20%). It resulted in no technicians being hired at all. Why do it if you can pay only a bit more and get a guy with PhD?

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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2015, 09:45:35 AM »
One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.

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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2015, 11:07:28 AM »

One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.

They were able to do it without raising prices because the CEO took a huge pay cut ($1mm to $70k).

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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2015, 11:13:26 AM »


One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.

They were able to do it without raising prices because the CEO took a huge pay cut ($1mm to $70k).

And...since they are now getting 75% more customers per month due to the publicity, their marketing efficiency has improved significantly. I can only imagine that customer acquisition cost is extremely high in this business. I would not be at all surprised if this is self-funding due to the media exposure.

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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2015, 03:23:55 PM »
One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.
They were able to do it without raising prices because the CEO took a huge pay cut ($1mm to $70k).
No, they were able to do it because the CEO was willing to eliminate 80% of the company's annual profits on this pet project.

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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2015, 04:08:23 PM »
One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.
They were able to do it without raising prices because the CEO took a huge pay cut ($1mm to $70k).
No, they were able to do it because the CEO was willing to eliminate 80% of the company's annual profits on this pet project.

He is also a majority owner so there is no difference.

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« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2015, 04:30:17 PM »
One persons wage increase is another persons price increase. Something doesn't come from nothing.
They were able to do it without raising prices because the CEO took a huge pay cut ($1mm to $70k).
No, they were able to do it because the CEO was willing to eliminate 80% of the company's annual profits on this pet project.

He is also a majority owner so there is no difference.

The minority shareholder (his brother) disagrees with you.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/07/21/us/ap-us-giant-minimum-wage.html

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2015, 04:49:05 PM »
So did the people making over $70,000 before this change get a raise at all?

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2015, 02:01:45 AM »
Wow, this scheme seems to be going south a lot faster than I expected.

Look, when you bump the 21-year old, 40-hour, uneducated receptionist who has worked there for 2 weeks from $20k to 70k, but only bump the college educated, IT guy who has been there for years, and puts in 60 hours per week, from 67k to 70k, some folks are going to feel a bit screwed.  And it's going to cause problems (duh?), not just for the IT guy who feels like he is not being rewarded for his harder work, but also for the receptionist who feels that she's getting a windfall that she doesn't deserve.

Even employees who get more than they think they rightfully deserve have a hard time with schemes like this, but it's downright toxic to those who have worked hard to achieve higher pay, only to some some unskilled yahoo arbitrarily lifted to the same pay level he has worked years to achieve.  It's TOXIC to the workplace.  The top folks become disgruntled (and often leave) and even the yahoos, who are getting far more than they deserve, feel awkward because they know they aren't pulling their weight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_theory

The kid, er, CEO, is getting a lot of free publicity, and that's helping.  But if he doesn't get his stuff together and rectify the mess he's created, he's going to lose his best people, and be left with a bunch of overpaid underachievers.  And in the long run, that ain't going to work, because it won't be long before the reporters leave and the free publicity goes away, and he's going to find it very hard to service accounts (and obtain new ones) when he's got overpaid, unqualified people trying to fill in for the highly skilled achievers who got pissed off and left.




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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2015, 07:20:23 AM »
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The kid, er, CEO, is getting a lot of free publicity, and that's helping.

I'm not sure it is helping. Apparently they lost a lot of customers over this.  Either due to customers being scared price increases were coming, or not wanting to be associated with what they saw as a political statement.

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2015, 08:07:33 AM »
I don't know how the unskillled workers felt about their wages being bumped so high and how it translated to their work performance but I know if that happened to me I would be busting my ass every day so I wouldn't get fired.  If I was the CEO I would expect that from all my workers and would have less qualms about letting underperformers go.

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2015, 08:32:16 AM »
From the first article:

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Of course, money above that level brings pleasures — there’s no denying the delights of a Caribbean cruise or a pair of diamond earrings — but no further gains on the emotional well-being scale.

If a secretary was making as much I am, I wouldn't feel great about it.  Even though I make what I think is a fair wage.  It would still be fair after such a change, it just wouldn't feel fair.  Maybe I would ask to become the secretary.

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2015, 08:42:59 AM »
From the first article:

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Of course, money above that level brings pleasures — there’s no denying the delights of a Caribbean cruise or a pair of diamond earrings — but no further gains on the emotional well-being scale.

If a secretary was making as much I am, I wouldn't feel great about it.  Even though I make what I think is a fair wage.  It would still be fair after such a change, it just wouldn't feel fair.  Maybe I would ask to become the secretary.

It sounds like a few top performers quit for this reason.  Not necessarily the secretary... but that people in low skilled jobs who did the bare minimum were making nearly as much as they were; in high skilled jobs they worked their butts off in.

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Re: average salary: $70k
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2015, 08:51:43 AM »
I've been thinking about this since I've seen 2-3 articles about different businesses doing the same thing.

I think initially people will be happy but in the long run they won't be.

The people who were currently making $70k will feel like they've been shafted after a while, because they had to jump through the hoops to GET to $70k.  Others who were making way less than $70k will end of feeling like a fraud.

I think a better response would have been guaranteeing an annual raise of 5-10% for everyone who worked there for longer than 1 year, for the next 5 years.