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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2017, 11:15:02 PM »
Wow, there are a lot of us!

I didn't discover the site until I was in my early 40s and husband was in early 50s.  We got far too late a start to have DH retire early; he didn't even get a career track job until he was 39.  At our current rate, we MIGHT be able to offer him an out at 60. Almost certainly at 62.  However,  he likes his job, so mostly this site keeps us focused and on track, and reminds me to focus on value-for-dollar spent. Hypothetically, I will be able to retire somewhere between 50-55,
Hey, I didn't get there until I was 54. Gotta tell you,  it's still pretty grand!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2017, 11:49:58 PM »
After years of raising kids and being mind bogglingly stupid with money, I came to the idea of FIRE only a few years ago, and I just turned 56.  My goal is to be FIRE by May of next year.

A couple of examples of my mind boggling stupidity.
Buy a new truck because it was time for tires and I couldn't afford them
Cashing out a 401k when leaving a job.

Thank God I never got caught up in big credit card debt or student loans.


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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2017, 12:31:11 AM »
I found MMM at 41 and was hooked. My husband got on board right away and we've made many cuts/improvements. We started saving in our early twenties and never carried consumer debt, so that has worked in our favour, but we did our share of less than optimal spending.

I feel like our spending is very well optimized now and our savings rate is 60-70%. Before MMM, I'd always known I wanted to retire before traditional retirement age, but had pretty much zero knowledge or plan of how to do that or how much would be needed. I have MUCH more confidence now, and should be on track to be done working in the next two to three years. Three cheers for MMM!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2017, 02:00:24 AM »
Discovered MMM last year in my mid 40's, wish I had found it and believed it 2 years earlier cause I wasted a lot of money. Anyways, if I don't lose my job, I should be FIRE in 5 years and then I'm slow traveling for the next 10 years or so. Can't wait!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2017, 04:36:11 AM »
Permission to join the >40 club?

I'm 45, DH 51.  No kids.  I discovered MMM after googling early retirement and best cities to retire. Enlightenment to say the least.  We were nearly maxing 401ks but otherwise pissing a lot of money away to lifestyle inflation.
Took a little bit to bring DH along, but once he realized what was possible - FIRE in 5 years, he was sold. We still have areas we can optimize (cell phone plans, grocery budget, being the biggies) but we are getting there. Oh, and downsizing the clown house at some point.  But we are not sure where we will be living in 5 years, and will simply wait for now and avoid the cost of moving twice.

Projected FI in 5 years or sooner. DH will RE and I will switch to working part time for benefits. I may switch to part time sooner, depending on what positions are available with my employer. Healthcare is the wildcard and I have a chronic condition that has expensive ongoing pharmaceutical costs.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2017, 06:13:49 AM »
Well hello everyone! I knew I wasn't the only one here older than 40 but I suspected there were more of us than I could find just browsing through posts!

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« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2017, 08:09:12 AM »
I'm 52, single and self-employed.  Discovered MMM a few years ago and have really ramped up my saving.  I wish I could go back in time and smack my younger self upside the head for frittering away so much money over the years.  But I've started tracking things and I've really bumped up my savings.  I'm working hard to put more in my taxable account but I'm proud of my progress.   I'll retire earlier than most but not early by the standards of this forum.  So happy to have the support and advice of so many wise people. 

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2017, 08:30:07 AM »
I had read about the concept (but not the term 'FIRE") many years before 40, but I didn't believe it was possible for me until my mid to late 40s.

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« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2017, 08:50:51 AM »
Retiring before I turn 60 will be RE for me :)

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Me Too. I found MMM in my mid 50's.

Will FIRE in June 2018 (or earlier if my contract is not extended).

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2017, 09:07:21 AM »
I'm 43. Two years ago I knew something had to change, and While researching retirement in general, I stumbled across MMM. Back then I was searching for the cheapest way to live while not working. Everything mmm clicked into place and through shifting priorities, I've amassed just over 100k and will be fire at 57.

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« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2017, 09:10:57 AM »
You're right where I am, essentially. Nearing 120k, looking to retire at 57, hopefully 56 if continue optimize.

I'm 43. Two years ago I knew something had to change, and While researching retirement in general, I stumbled across MMM. Back then I was searching for the cheapest way to live while not working. Everything mmm clicked into place and through shifting priorities, I've amassed just over 100k and will be fire at 57.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2017, 10:02:10 AM »
Raises hand.

Although we were savers, we couldn't retire early because of health insurance.  Then DH got laid off at 51 right as the ACA came online. I found MMM days after the layoff and when we crunched the numbers, we realized he really didn't need to go back.

Now it's a bit scary. After 4 years (and turning 55) it'll be difficult for him to get work (especially something with benefits) if we can no longer get insurance. Or afford it, same diff. 

I know people retired before the ACA, but we had no insurance options, and no desire to go without.



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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2017, 10:40:32 AM »
Raises hand.

Although we were savers, we couldn't retire early because of health insurance.  Then DH got laid off at 51 right as the ACA came online. I found MMM days after the layoff and when we crunched the numbers, we realized he really didn't need to go back.

Now it's a bit scary. After 4 years (and turning 55) it'll be difficult for him to get work (especially something with benefits) if we can no longer get insurance. Or afford it, same diff. 

I know people retired before the ACA, but we had no insurance options, and no desire to go without.

Agree about the insurance.  As people over 50, we would be most affected by the House bill that passed with provisions allowing higher premiums for people our age (did I understand that right?), and dumping us into even higher cost pools if we have a coverage lapse. 

Maybe this thread should be the seed of an effort to map out options to handle what occurs.  I've read enough indications that the changes will have a time lag for me to wait until later (after Senate passes a bill, if it ever does), but when the time comes maybe gaming out the options together would be better than each individually? 

Or, maybe we just share cases on new thread.  If the thread exists already, please let me know.  Anyway, I take comfort in the fact that having a stash allows us to maintain coverage while we develop optimal strategies. 

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2017, 11:03:36 AM »
I am 57, and found MMM a few years ago when my DH passed away. I was in bad financial shape. Between MMM and YNAB (which I still use) I paid off a mountain of debt, and am now  saving and investing in a low cost index fund. I may be able to retire (or at least semi-retire) in a few years when I turn 60.

Except that lately I have been waffling. Thinking that maybe I should loosen up the purse strings a little and do some travelling while I am still able; enjoy life a little more. That would mean working until 65, maybe not full time.
My house is paid off and I live in Canada, so no concerns with health care. I should get full CPP and OAS if I work to 65. CPP will be reduced if I take it early, which is another consideration.

Or maybe there is some middle ground? Work until 63?

As others have mentioned, I regret having my head in the sand for all those years, and pissing away so much money. But there is no point in looking backward.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2017, 11:20:09 AM »
Soon to be 50.
Found MMM mid 40-s, right after I bought a clown house. Keeping the house a few more years. Will retire between 54 and 60, depending on the choices I make going forward (obviously ).

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« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2017, 11:27:02 AM »
Hi Joon, Yes, I am aware of what is covered and what isn't. Which is another reason to keep working as I have Blue Cross. We also have Blue Cross for Seniors here in Alberta, but I haven't checked into the costs. Will have to do that.

It's still better than the mess in the U.S., imho.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2017, 01:00:54 PM »
Hi Joon, Yes, I am aware of what is covered and what isn't. Which is another reason to keep working as I have Blue Cross. We also have Blue Cross for Seniors here in Alberta, but I haven't checked into the costs. Will have to do that.

It's still better than the mess in the U.S., imho.
You got that right!

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« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2017, 03:53:45 PM »
Just crossed 50 and discovered MMM & Jim Collins about 18 months ago.  Before then, post-divorce and as a single parent of tricky kids with no contribution from the ex, I had no expectations around retiring before I hit the pension age of 67.  I've never been bad with money, but I'd never been good either, so wasted a lot of opportunities, particularly around investing.  Oh well, better late than never.

On current projections I could retire to a country town at 60 (or possibly earlier) where the cost of real estate is much less, and have a probably quite modest lifestyle.  Best case scenario I find full time work again, the kids finish school in one piece and are employable, I can afford a house in the city sooner rather than later, and retirement with a bit of padding. 

Either way, I expect to be able to buy a house again at some point (I'm very domestic, I don't want to rent forever) and to retire before 67, and for a long time that hadn't looked possible.  Importantly, understanding and being in control of my finances has brought much more peace of mind. 

It beggars belief that so many people go through life so clueless about managing money, and yet thinking we're doing the right thing because we're doing the same thing as everyone else.  This stuff should be drilled into us all by early high school! 

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« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2017, 04:15:57 PM »
I discovered MMM a few years ago in my late 30's. The timing was perfect because I was already working my way out of debt via the Dave Ramsey plan. MMM gave me a vision of how I wanted to live my post-debt life.

My plan is to have $600k by the time I'm 50, and then get out of the truck driving business. Maybe I'll combine a part-time job with self-employment of some kind. Or I could move to an LCOL place like Ecuador.

I used to shudder at the thought of life after 50 (like I would be decrepit or something) but, having watched my parents go through their 50s and 60s, it's an unfounded fear. Now I understand that these years are the prime of life, and people tend to be very happy.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2017, 04:46:42 PM »
found the concept of FIRE in 2013 while researching real estate. We'd bought our first rental at the end of 2012. RE was to be DH's new career as he'd already quit his day job due to the very poisonous environment he worked in.

Mid 2013 I suffered a major back injury and our wild ride to FIRE began. MMM was a key resource for planning our future. Not sure where we would be today without the influence of everyone here.

And now here we are FIRED and full time travelling.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2017, 05:26:39 PM »
Found out about index funds at 37, early retirement as a concept too, but only around 40 did I hear of MMM and 41 learned there is an entire hardcore FIRE community. Myself, aim to semi-FIRE mid-40s in LCOL area. Soon, soon.

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« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2017, 07:44:46 PM »
I was a clown until I was about 45. Luckily I had a good job and a six-figure salary most of my active life so I was financially always ahead of the game, plus I made good profits with real estate, by luck, not because of planning or knowledge. If I knew what I know now at 59, I would have been FIRED in my mid-thirties.

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« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2017, 11:18:11 PM »
Yes, found out about this just after 40. I'm playing a bit of catch-up since I basically had nothing at 36, now I'm closing in on 200k net worth. Had I been financially smarter earlier in life I'd be done already. Oh well, the past does not in fact exist anymore and I'm doing well and moving forward!

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« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2017, 12:00:37 AM »
It is so nice to see so many chiming in on this thread!

I turned 50 a few months ago.  I found MMM maybe 5 years ago.  I have been saving for retirement for about 20 years now, but have never had an impressively high savings rate.  So even with 20 years of contributions and growth, my nest egg is modest.   I married early, worked part-time after my daughter was born, stayed home full-time for 7 years after my son was born, then returned to part-time work for 3 years.  So although I am 50, I have only been working full-time for about 13 years.  (Excluding those teen and early adult years where I did work full-time, but made peanuts).  I'm divorced now and my youngest is on the verge of being independent.  I'm unmarried but do have a significant other.

So I'm not going to RE because I haven't saved enough, but do expect to be FI by typical retirement age.    And I am on the verge of some exciting life changes, too.  Although I cannot afford to RE, that modest nest egg means I can afford to make some different choices.
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« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2017, 09:19:07 AM »
I didn't discover FIRE (and the RE ship has already sailed, so it is really just FIR) until I was at least 40, probably 41 before I began to take it seriously.

I actively resisted any kind of saving or financial planning as a young person.  I didn't want my life to be defined by money.  A popular high school teacher I had known had died of a heart attack on the brink of retirement (at 54ish) and I didn't want to spend my life waiting and denying for some future thing that might not happen.

But I took it too far in the other direction.  I learned not to go into debt, but I also didn't save anything, and certainly wasn't choosy about careers. That said, I had a lot of great adventures all over the place, and wouldn't change most of it at all.

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« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2017, 09:32:43 AM »
Hi Joon, Yes, I am aware of what is covered and what isn't. Which is another reason to keep working as I have Blue Cross. We also have Blue Cross for Seniors here in Alberta, but I haven't checked into the costs. Will have to do that.

It's still better than the mess in the U.S., imho.

My folks are retired Alberta teachers, and they just pay the portion of their Blue Cross that was previously covered through their work.  So a couple hundred a month.

There are some hazards for health care in Canada, but the US is doing a fine job of thoroughly discrediting every politician who tries to advance the insane notion that private health insurance is a viable option.  I guess we can thank them for being a cautionary example.

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« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2017, 09:59:10 AM »

I am 50 & found this site just over a year ago after I finally decided there was no point in only occasionally paying attention to my finances. Divorced single parent of 2 who has made any number of questionable financial decisions but always contributed to a 401k plan. I should be able to walk away from work at 55 (which would also allow access to my 401k), although like everyone, we have to see what happens with  healthcare.
1 is still in HS & 1 is in college so I can't clearly determine what my expenses are going to be & I also haven't made any geography or housing decisions other than knowing this place will be sold probably in about 3 yrs. It is comforting to know though that while I still have more work to do, I had done some things right.

Glad this group was started.

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« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2017, 05:19:47 PM »
Wow there are lots of us!

I found MMM in 2013, when I was debating whether or not to go back to the job I was on leave of absence from (took a 3 year contract elsewhere) or retire.  I ended up retiring (at 63).  I did it before 65 so I think that counts as early.   I had to be careful with the numbers because given family history I expect to make it into my 90s.

Re health insurance to supplement OHIP or equivalent, my union has a policy for retirees, my universities have health (and other) insurance policies for grads, and Costco has health insurance for members.


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« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2017, 05:46:24 PM »
This should be a club!

DW discovered MMM in December 2016. I was hooked right away. I'm 50 and she is 45. Technically FI now but we're eyeing RE in 5 years. I've always looked at so called retirement calculators but the info here was the first time I could actually see the numbers to RE. thank you all!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2017, 09:24:39 PM »
Found MMM blog after an off hand remark in comments section of a lifehacker article.  That was 2 years ago when I was 53. My DW and I had earned a bunch, spent a bunch and saved a bunch.  MMM gave us the opportunity to re-jigger the spending/saving so now I am on track to depart work at the end of June 2018 (DW loves her part time job and will stick it out a bit longer).

Reading through this thread, it really is amazing how many of us have gained years of our lives as a result of this blog and similar. I recently met Pete and had the opportunity to thank him personally for his blog. I am also really grateful to the folks on this forum that have answered questions and given support. -aperture.

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« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2017, 09:43:39 PM »
 I was 41 and $20k in the hole when I started to read financial sites.   

I discovered the Boglehead forum and it was a complete game changer on how I looked at investing.

Someone mentioned MMM  and I read every article.   It simplified my life and how I looked at the world.    Sounds stupid to some but I was a wasteful, consumer sucka from day one.

Today, I'm over $100k net worth and my confidence in my self and my financial situation as soared because of MMM


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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2017, 02:04:49 AM »
I'm 44 and DW is 43. Discovered MMM last year. I have always been saving and investing, and had realized the beauty of low cost index funds a few years back on my own. I had also been halfheartedly planning ways to quit working but without real focus or determination.

Finding MMM has given me the focus previously lacking. I also analyzed our spending with ynab and have cut a lot since the beginning of this year. 50% savings rate seems achievable which is flabbergasting to me.

Since my country offers lowcost healthcare, pension system and different governmental handouts, we might be surprisingly near FIRE, if everything was taken into account. However, these are rapidly being cut so I hesitate to give them much value. FIRE target is still very vague since we're in the shaping up phase. Probably more than 5 years but under 10.




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« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2017, 04:19:42 AM »
I discovered MMM last autumn at the age of 43. We live in one of the most expensive countries in the world, so FIRE is not as easy here as in the USA. Luckily we were already quite a few Norwegian million crowns in the plus, which can be divided roughly by 10 to convert to into USD. We have always been small spenders with cheap hobbies, like spending vacations in a tent, brewing beer at home, cooking own food, doing work ourselves, etc. We paid down the mortgage of our first, cheap house in 5 and a half years and kept living there for 15 years in total, saving a lot of money each. I read years ago about investing in low cost index funds, so I've been doing that for some years before discovering MMM. I made good profit with that.

Some years ago my DH mentioned becoming pensioners at the age of 50. As we were already saving about 1 yearly spending level per year, he said that every year working would let us stop working one year earlier. I never took that very seriously, as I had no idea how much money would be enough to survive. At least MMM showed that it was possible and how much $$ is needed, like 25x yearly spending level. From the age of 67 we are pretty much settled with pensions that we saved/government saved for us.

Our current situation is that we, just before discovering MMM, bought a big and expensive house. We bought it with our own means with no mortgage, but this meant selling all our stock and our old house. We had to start from scratch again building up stash to invest into funds. In retrospect we should not have done this. I really enjoy the magnificent view from the house, but I find it very big. Cleaning internally is a lot of work, window cleaning an even more so, each window having an inside, outside and 2 more sides within them. And being a mustachian kind of person, I don't hire people to do this for me. I just realize now that this move was really not smart. The money should better have stayed in these index funds which generate money all the time. It is time to consider taking up a mortgage on a part of the house to invest into funds. As the rent is very low at this moment.

My DH is of the opinion that he would like to keep living in this house during FIRE. I made an excel sheet where I showed him my detailed FIRE plan and that plan shows him how much stash we need at a certain date to start FIRE. We will never get this stash without selling the house and downsizing. He is starting to see this. But he still thinks we can keep the money in the house until we need that particular stash. I still think we'll need to invest it into stock to let money make more money. Houses usually do not generate cash above the inflation level. Our house is not in a HCOL area.

I am now almost 44. The big plan is still to start FIRE when I reach 50, in 2023 and my DH 53. And earlier if we somehow manage to save a lot more than expected. Last year, with 10 months of not being MMM, we managed to save 60% of our net income. Next year, being in full saving modus, I hope to get a higher saving percentage.

We were already doing a lot of things right, obviously. What my improvements are, since discovering MMM:
- Using a cashback credit card for grocery shopping
- Using customer program for grocery shopping
- Shopping groceries at a cheaper shop
- Choosing more groceries that are on sale and buying bulk on sale
- Checking prices on insurances and electricity more often - once every few years is not often enough.
- Buying more items used instead of new
- Selling stuff I don't use any more
- Becoming more of a minimalist, so that our next house can be smaller and to make cleaning in our current house easier
- Lowering the central heating a few degrees, so that we are more motivated to use the wood stove with free wood from our garden
- Bringing my own lunch to work
- Thinking loosely about finding a side-gig, but I haven't found the answer yet

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2017, 06:18:15 AM »
I'm very late finding the concept of FIRE, but married into the idea of living under your income 35 years agp.
I found MMM 2 years ago at 59. I binge read the blog and then started on the forum.
It didn't take long before I ran into firecalc, I ran it wrong the first several times in that I put in how much money
I needed to live on and found I had 100% success. After a few more runs I started increasing my withdrawal amount
until I found I could live on 50% more and still a very high success rate. It was then I knew I would not be working much longer. I retired at 61 at the beginning of this year. If not for MMM I 'm sure I would have continued working until  66 and 2 months, my full retirement age.
 My wife is 5 years younger, and does not want to retire, she says at last 5 more years.
  Better late then never!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2017, 06:26:33 AM »
Holy cow but this thread blew up.

Do you all think it would be worth talking to the moderators about adding a section to the Mustachian Community section of this forum? I don't know if they would but it would be nice to have an Over 40 and Working Towards FIRE area where we could all share ideas about the whole FIRE concept, pre and post FIRE that are specifically for those of us who'll be retiring later in life?

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2017, 06:41:14 AM »
Holy cow but this thread blew up.

Do you all think it would be worth talking to the moderators about adding a section to the Mustachian Community section of this forum? I don't know if they would but it would be nice to have an Over 40 and Working Towards FIRE area where we could all share ideas about the whole FIRE concept, pre and post FIRE that are specifically for those of us who'll be retiring later in life?
Meh, I enjoy getting perspectives from all ages to almost every topic.   The young'uns have clued me in to MANY things I would never have considered applicable to me. They also help me understand some of the generational differences and I have to admit, many of my views on working and work ethic have changed by being party to their conversations.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM »
I'm 57 and recently retired.  At 40, I was still planning on working into my 60's probably retiring at 65 like everyone else.  My kids were still young and in school, we had a mortgage, and about all I was doing towards FIRE was putting money in the 401K and saving a little on the side.  My serious income years were in my late 40's & early 50's and that's when I started to see the possibility of an early exit.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2017, 09:00:13 AM »
I'm 47 and found this blog a couple years ago, post divorce - in the middle of taking a huge financial hit from legal bills and the divorce settlement.

Anyhow, my plan puts me retiring at age 62 - pension can be collected then from my current job, can hold off on SS, and enough banked to live on. I may be able to forward that slightly, but 62 is most likely. I'll be stepping up my contributions once 50 rolls around (already accounted for in the plan). I have some big projects to take care of in years before retirement - getting my kids in and out of college (which I plan to partially finance) and then I can sock away more.

That is still considered "early" by pretty much everyone I know - who all seem to be planning to work until 70 or until they keel over, which ever comes later.

Now - I still plan to feel "young" as 62 and hope to be doing the things I enjoy now - travel, triathlons, gardening, volunteering - and having more time for all of that.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2017, 09:06:02 AM »
DH will be 40 next month and I'll be 40 in the fall. I don't remember what age I found MMM. Maybe five or six years ago? I had read "The Millionaire Next Door" right out of college and came from a long line of savers so I had that going for me. We have done okay but could have never FIREd in our 30s. Both DH and I were not high earners until very recently. And we choose to live a much more mainstream life than those that are looking to retire in their 30s. I'm also very scared of finding healthcare post retirement. And trying to FIRE with kids because of their needs. So all those things will likely keep us working until 50 or 55. Or at least one of us.
Sometimes I do feel discouraged and out of touch when I read the stories of those who have FIREd in their 30s.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #89 on: May 08, 2017, 09:09:45 AM »
Well -- I didn't find actual formal FIRE blogs until a few years ago, starting with MMM. But we were already relatively frugal, saving and investing, and our financial planner had us on track to retire relatively early-ish, so the idea wasn't new to me.

I did do a lot of dumbass things 20 years ago that I could kick myself for now. We finally parted ways with our financial planner as an unnecessary money-suck, after I did the math and realized that she did not have a crystal ball that enabled her to make our portfolio outperform the market enough to make up for her fees. She had us underperforming the market by about 2%, a problem that I have since rectified.

I have to say, though, that it is terrifying to take over managing your own money. Being frugal and trimming spending, sure, but trusting that your research has put you in a position to take on the professionals? I totally get why people get overwhelmed by just the thought of it. It took me a decade to get there myself.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2017, 01:53:02 PM »
My husband is 59 and I'm 53.  I found MMM about a year ago.  Unfortunately, we've made every.single.bad.mistake possible in the financial realm over our 35 years of marriage.  We've traded vehicles every couple of years because we got "bored" with the one we had.  We bought mainly NEW vehicles when we did it and just rolled the previous loan into the new loan.  Eating out all the time; didn't want to bother cooking. 

When husband was downsized, we ended up maxing FOUR major credit cards to the tune of almost $40,000 total at high interest rates (lowest is 7.9 and highest is 19.99).  Sold our little house with a little payment for a huge house and a larger payment.  And I don't want to mention the PLUS loans for my daughter's college....

Anyway, we're hoping we are able to retire at all.  We are still paying on those credit cards and the PLUS loans are in deferment because we just can't afford the payments. 

We have learned our lesson but we're figuring it's way too late for us to ever get out of debt.  Working on it, but figure we're stuck.

I will keep reading here and having picked up some great ideas which we are implementing.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2017, 01:57:45 PM »
I started thinking about retirement at 34 (two years ago),  I appreciate this thread, because sometimes
I have felt like I was late to the party, lol.   Now I realize I'm not... it's inspiring to read other people's stories on here about getting their
ducks in a row in their 40s.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2017, 02:04:50 PM »
I wish I could go back in time and smack my younger self upside the head for frittering away so much money over the years.    I'll retire earlier than most but not early by the standards of this forum.  So happy to have the support and advice of so many wise people.

These 3 sentences ring true for me.  I'm 56 and suffering from "one more year syndrome".

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2017, 03:03:45 PM »
Way back when I was very young and still in college, I used to discuss with my wife (girlfriend back then) how I'd love to retire in my mid-30s and do something meaningful for society. Then life happens, you get hit and those dreams faded away. Found frugality via YMOYL and MMM and now somewhat back on track. In my upper 40s now, hopefully should be ready to go in my mid-50s. Again as long as stuff does not go awry. Keeping fingers crossed.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2017, 03:27:38 PM »
I'm 37, but definitely identify more with the older half of the group.  We have 3 kids (5, 8 & 10) and spent many years before them frittering away our money.  Then, struggling just to stay above water when we had 3 in daycare.  So, we are late to the game, my DH is a bit more spendy/we deserve it type and we just bought a large house (with a pool!) last year - but we moved my mom in with us and she needed her own space so it is a bit bigger than we would need otherwise.  Fortunately, we make a good amount of money now and maxing out our tax advantaged accounts isn't a burden on our budget.  I have a pension and employee healthcare (in addition to my 401k) so I need to work until at least 52 for healthcare bennies.  I'm planning on 55 at the latest but I don't know when my DH will be able to pry himself away from his job.  I'm glad to find this, there are always a lot of suggestions I see that are obviously from people in a completely different place in life than I am.  I wish I had this 'revelation' earlier on in life, but it is what it is - no where to go but forward.   

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2017, 05:24:02 PM »
I think there's a tendency to assume a fallacy on this forum: that 99% of us are 100% aggressively mustachian, young, in our 20s or early 30s, biking everywhere, never eating at restaurants, etc. Looking at actual posts, it seems there's a much wider spread than that in age, nearness to FI, level of frugality, etc.

I like a lot of the threads here, but I doubt I'm alone in being in my 50s and not yet FI, driving to work, occasionally eating at a restaurant or food truck, buying frozen meals, keeping the house warm, and frittering money away on video games and other luxury items. There's no point in being embarrassed about not adhering to the strictest mustachian standards.

It's really about living your life to be happy, as best you can.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2017, 05:26:37 PM »
I think there's a tendency to assume a fallacy on this forum: that 99% of us are 100% aggressively mustachian, young, in our 20s or early 30s, biking everywhere, never eating at restaurants, etc. Looking at actual posts, it seems there's a much wider spread than that in age, nearness to FI, level of frugality, etc.

I like a lot of the threads here, but I doubt I'm alone in being in my 50s and not yet FI, driving to work, occasionally eating at a restaurant or food truck, buying frozen meals, keeping the house warm, and frittering money away on video games and other luxury items. There's no point in being embarrassed about not adhering to the strictest mustachian standards.

It's really about living your life to be happy, as best you can.

*raises hand* You just described us, though we are probably FI, but not planning to RE until the kid gets through college (2024 unless she wanders a different path somewhere between here and there). We're in our early 50s with a 15-year-old daughter. I swear half our discretionary dollars are spent clothing her!

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2017, 05:27:37 PM »
Not 40 but 34. I think I share some of the same feelings people who are past 40 feel. WHY did I not know this before?

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2017, 06:23:18 PM »
Oh, yes. I was 45 and had been downsized from my job of six years. I had a decent severance package and I was trying to find the best way to use the $. I attended school late in life, so I was tackling student debt. We have been good with money, but I know we could've been wiser with some of our decisions, including perhaps buying a smaller house (and take advantage of the correspondingly smaller mortgage payments). Even so, housing accounts for 25% of our income, contribute the maximum to our 401k, save for the kids' college (15 and 14 yo at the moment) although we started "late" since I was still paying off my student loans. I paid about $60,000 in less than 7 years. Ouch! Right now, our mortgage is our biggest expense. Until our kids plan for college and we see the numbers, we won't know if FIRE is even within our reach. But, we've saved big chunks of money thanks to MMM forums! I wish I had found the site 10 years ago... Oh, well.

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Re: Are there other folks here who didn't discover FIRE until after 40?
« Reply #99 on: May 09, 2017, 11:58:21 AM »
Love this thread, thanks DeskJockey for starting it.  Had to go back and look at when I registered with the forum... it was 2013 so already in my 40's then.  I'd say I've always made "reasonable" decisions about spending money and not carrying debt, but the MMM perspective certainly raised the bar on our savings rate, and additionally I've learned so much about other areas on these boards (investing, tax optimization, what a "health share" is, alternatives for all the various things early retirees think about, heck... *what* to think about...).  I wish I'd had this awakening a decade earlier, but c'est la vie.  Mr. Trede and I will still spend much of our 50's adventuring instead of sitting in a cube thanks to this community.