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Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« on: January 14, 2021, 07:46:25 AM »
I've loved cars since I was a little kid--My dad had an Omni GLH that was always broken, but when it was working, the shove into the seat along with the WOOSH of the turbo spooling was one of the big things I remember from my childhood. We'd egg him on to accelerate faster when we were merging onto freeways and I sobbed when my dad sold it. I was pissed at him for days, hard stuff for a 6 year old to manage. I had an enviable matchbox/hotwheels car collection, with all the ramps and stuff to go with it.  We used to cut out pages from my dad's car magazines and hang them on the walls of my bedroom. 

Basically I was screwed from birth. 

I love cars, and have owned way too many of them.  I currently have an 11 year old BMW, and while its not the least reliable product they make, it has a bit more involved care and feeding than a Corolla or Honda Fit which in turn takes more money and time than a Corolla or Honda Fit.  I've tried to stop liking cars before--I bought a base model Tacoma a few years ago in an attempt to stop the cycle of upgrading and fiddling with BMWs, but I hated everything about it--the crappy transmission, the flexy chassis, the poor ride, the uncomfortable seats, the dim headlights, the coarse motor etc.  I made it 6 months in the Tacoma before I got rid of it and got another BMW. 

I think it must be easier for people who own cars to impress people, but my issue is that I notice the bad stuff, and I'm super impressed when I notice some clever engineering.  For example, the BMW I own right now uses a magnesium engine block, and its one of the lightest engines on the market despite being a 3.0L inline 6.  It uses an electric water pump so that it warms up faster for less engine wear, and it has a thermostat that can regulate the temperature of the motor to bias it towards efficiency or performance.  It makes 230 naturally aspirated horsepower, but it can still get 30+ mpg on the highway! 

I know that a lot of people don't care about that stuff.  I honestly wish I didn't, but when I drive something else, I just can't seem to hedonically adapt down.  I've flirted with selling my car and getting a Honda fit or a Corolla, but I'm leery about making another "Tacoma mistake" as my wife puts it. 

So are there any former car enthusiasts on the board?  How did you quit? 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2021, 07:53:00 AM »
I used to be you. :) I actually still am you. Owned an E46 for many years and loved it even if the waterpump was the non-eletrical that had a tendency to break.

I didn't really quit being a car guy but then the EV revolution happened, it ticked all my boxes wrt performance and technical stuff. So with open eyes I ordered a Tesla Model 3 LR.

It has some nice mustachian qualities:

- Very cheap to run
- Cheap to maintain
- Drives very much like a sporty 3 series
- Performance is awesome no matter what speed I'm going
- Technology makes it interesting and software updates continually improve the car

And some unmustachian ones:

- Quite expensive
- Insurance is pretty expensive.

But I drive a lot for work and I can justify the expense even though I know that the purchase has set my FI date back quite a bit. But it was worth it.

I would urge you to join the EV performance revolution, it actually rocks if you are a car guy.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2021, 07:54:01 AM »
Just asking - is a Tacoma vs a Beemer really a fiar comparisson?     Quite differnt machines for quite different purposes.   


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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2021, 08:03:11 AM »
Just asking - is a Tacoma vs a Beemer really a fiar comparisson?     Quite differnt machines for quite different purposes.   

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If you like BMW's but want something more reliable you could look at an Acura or Lexus.  Purchase price is still higher than the Honda or Toyota but at least those premium cars are reliable. 

I don't think you will ever stop being a car enthusiast but some "nice cars" are more mustachian than others.  Find the happy medium for you. 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2021, 08:09:54 AM »
Yep. I'm on my second Subaru STI. This is not a fuel efficient car, but is it fun to drive! For a long time after I found FIRE and MMM, I struggled with my ownership of this car. But it makes me happy, and the wife and I can afford it. We are plenty frugal elsewhere, but we spend money--after lots of thought and waiting to make sure it really matters to us--on things we love. I love driving my STI.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2021, 08:13:40 AM »
I used to be a car guy.
I've owned a 68 Dodge Charger, and 71 Dodge Challenger, and over two dozen 1968-76 Chevelle's and Impalas over the years. When I was spending money as fast as I could make it I owned 8 cars at age 26. It looked flashy and I had a lot of fun, but I was broke as a joke. I haven't owned any car that wasn't just basic transportation for the last 14 years, but I plan to buy another fully restored classic once I hit my FI number.
Life's too short not to have a little fun.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 08:20:21 AM »
Could you make the hobby pay for itself? Use your expertise to own a string of used cars, but make the right choices buying/selling/maintaining, to keep cost of ownership closer to a corolla?

Alternatively, could you get access to the cars at no cost to yourself? Work at a race track or high end car dealership? Help a wealthy enthusiast maintain his fleet? Join a car club. Etc.

Those are angles I'd look at, opposed to cursing my hedonic adaptation.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 08:44:50 AM »
I've had a sports cars ever since HS.

2 yrs ago I finally got out of it partially cause finances and partially cause my OCD keeping them clean was driving me crazy along with a bad lower back.

would love a C8 tho, but that will be way down the road, probably have flying c12s by then

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 08:54:48 AM »
I seriously think about quitting every so often but I stop myself when I realize that my car hobby is one of the few things that bring me joy and cutting it out would make me miserable. Driving, tinkering, tracking, researching... all fun stuff.

I did make a compromise, though. I decided that I'd only spend money on one fun car at a time and I would only buy cars that I could realistically see myself driving for a decade or more - ie no "churning" through toys. Basically, applying "mindful spending" to the hobby - do I really want this, will it really make things better, is it worth X hours at a job I don't like, etc. Luckily, I've never been much for going nuts with modding my cars so things are kept fairly sane by enthusiast standards.

I predict I'll get out of the hobby at some point when I'm older and get tired of the tinkering or just get bored with the hobby and want to do something else.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 09:13:07 AM »
I used to think that being interested in things meant having to own them, but I don't anymore.

There's nothing wrong with being a "car person", but you should question deeply why that would ever have to translate into ownership.

I'm a book person, but I don't need to own books. I'm a fine art person, but I don't need to own a ton of paintings. I'm an animal person, but I don't need to own a ton of exotic animals. And I'm a car person, but I don't need to own expensive cars. I'm a jewelry and fashion person, but I don't need to own a bunch of bling and couture. I'm a nature person, but I don't need to own a ton of land.

The wonderful things of this world can be appreciated and enjoyed without having to own them.

If owning a certain type of car will genuinely enrich your life, then you do you, but make that decision fully and don't angst about it. It either is worth spending on or it isn't.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 09:20:42 AM »
I am a girl who likes cars. I’m not about performance I’m about pretty lines and attractive shapes.I like them but I don’t have to own them all. I like going to car shows.

I’ve had a few frivolous cars in my life, even while saving for FIRE. My first car was an MG midget. My second frivolous car was a Triumph TR 6 Which in my mind is still pretty much the ultimate sports car.Neither ran especially well and once I became a serious adult I had to have cars that were reliable.

 Then when I retired, and could be unserious again and found I have plenty of money I bought a zippy little two-seater convertible, a Fiatta ( Fiat Spider made by Miata factory.) That’s always the kind of classic cars I like, small ones, usually two-seater convertible. But I like any other little  odd funny cars like Metropolian Nash. Izetta from the 40’s. OG mini Cooper. If I won the lottery I would go out and buy a fleet of funny little cars.

DH is a car guy. In his life he also owned an MG midget before he met me, and then bought a TR 6 after knowing me for a while. But he likes German cars generally I think. His midlife crisis car was a 1979 Mercedes-Benz SL.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2021, 09:41:07 AM »
I managed to get the car thing mostly out of my system. Sort of.

Bought a 2005 Porsche boxster in winter of 2009, in Southern California, and the bottom of market crash. I had been looking at getting one for a few years, and I figured it was then or never.

I kept it for 4 years, and drove it most weekends in the canyons and back roads and had a ton of fun. Mostly I enjoyed using it to frighten people. Never got old :-)

Then it needed a new clutch plate and fly wheel, for $3k. Annoying, but not the end of the world. Just add to the $200 oil changes.

But then on one oil change the mechanic discovered some flecks of metal in the oil filter. They checked the dreaded IMS bearing, and found it was a strange version and they couldn't do a change, but thought it ok and recommended I keep driving.

After that every time I heard a slightly off squeak or moan I imagined the engine eating itself.

Sold it out of town to a dealer, planning to pick up a . . .  Tacoma. Ended up with an FJ cruiser.

Not the most mustacian vehicle, but it's practical, very solid, and hilarious fun off road.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2021, 10:36:54 AM »
Just asking - is a Tacoma vs a Beemer really a fiar comparisson?     Quite differnt machines for quite different purposes.   

It is absolutely not a fair comparison.  I never intended to compare, I knew that the Taco would be worse.  I just thought I would adapt after a while and I wouldn't care anymore, and I'd laugh all the way to the bank with my savings in time and money from not having to fix a cranky old Bimmer.  That strategy has worked surprisingly well for me in other parts of my life, but it just didn't "take" with the car. 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 10:39:07 AM »
Another way to keep things going in a more mustachean-friendly manner is doing more upkeep DIY. I don't think I could ever justify keeping a toy car around if I couldn't handle the majority of the work myself. With YouTube and internet forums dedicated to various makes/models, it's easy to keep the costs down. Going to a dealer or shop for $150 oil change or $1k+ for a brake job when I can do it for a third of that in a lazy afternoon with basic hand tools really helps the balance sheet.

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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2021, 11:17:18 AM »
There are so many things that I find fun and exciting that a car can't offer. 


There are so many other exciting vehicles, hobbies, sports, and activities that are worth pursuing or at least trying a few times.  When I see so much money spent on cars I can't help but think about all the other cool things that the owner has to give up to afford the fancy car. 


I'd rather have a "decent used car" plus a number of other decent used toys to enjoy too.  Have you tried street bikes, dirt bikes, boats, jet skis, ATVs, or any of the pedal & paddle versions?  Have you pursued any other types of hobbies?  Life's short, and cars are just one of many things to enjoy. 


Of course, we must all choose our own paths. 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2021, 11:21:27 AM »
I honestly wish I didn't, but when I drive something else, I just can't seem to hedonically adapt down.  I've flirted with selling my car and getting a Honda fit or a Corolla, but I'm leery about making another "Tacoma mistake" as my wife puts it. 

So are there any former car enthusiasts on the board?  How did you quit?

I used to be a car person.  I had subscriptions to about half a dozen car magazines, I did plenty of track days, competed at the SCCA Solo 2 National Championships, was a "Chief" for our local autoX group, competed in a fancy (i.e. expensive) car on race tires, etc. 

I haven't completely given it up, but I have dramatically reduced my spending.  I think the big thing is to re-think the first part of what you wrote that I quoted.  You don't have to "hedonically adapt down" as you put it if you're focused on engineering excellence.  In most categories there are great cars and no-so-great cars.  Take the Honda Fit and the Nissan Versa.  There is a ton of engineering excellence packed into the Fit, while the Versa... uh... not so much.  Even so, for you even the best in that category might not be satisfying to drive, but a test drive wouldn't hurt. 
One car that I absolutely love for the ratio between engineering excellence vs. cost is most generations of the Mazda Miata.  There are so many little touches that keep the weight down, yet they're incredibly reliable and easy to work on.  They can be efficient momentum racers, good MPG daily drivers, V8-swap firebreathers, cone-dodging Autocrossers, or retractable hardtop cruisers.  But if you're not into Miatas you can find a different set of cool engineering and in-category excellence with a lot of other cars for cheap, for example used WRXs, S2000s, or older Mercedes wagons each offer a totally different take on engineering excellence.  Depending on what you like there are plenty of older used cars that have attributes that make them great at something. 

As others have mentioned, doing your own work is #1 for keeping costs down.  My partner owns a 15 year old BMW with 160,000 miles on it.  Repair costs have been extremely low because I can do most of the work myself.  If you're a BMW 3-series owner you learn to keep window regulators in stock in your garage, for example.  But the other thing is to buy used cars that you will enjoy both working on and driving.  I'd like the driving part of owning a Mini or a VW GTI, but I'd hate every minute I was working on them so they're out. 

Basically, figure out what segments you like or might want to try and which you have no interest in.  Find the stars in those segments (and of course they change from year to year - the Mazda3 was a star until the current generation).  Read the forums to figure out if they're a pain to work on.  If you buy used, get a decent deal, and maintain and upgrade it well you can always sell it for very little or no loss if you don't like it. 

Incidentally, I no longer consider myself much of a car person.  The moves in the market towards SUVs, automatic transmissions, and hybrid/electric power make essentially every new car uninteresting to me.  I let my subscriptions lapse, sold my last competition vehicle, and after a while I don't miss it.  There is something to "out of sight out of mind" when it comes to hobbies.  If you want to try to break the spell you might try cancelling any car related subscriptions and just avoid the subject online for a while.  You might find like I did that you don't miss it. 
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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2021, 12:35:59 PM »
One car that I absolutely love for the ratio between engineering excellence vs. cost is most generations of the Mazda Miata.

There is a variation of Godwin's Law that deals specifically with online car enthusiast discussions inevitability ending in a debate about Miatas.

I used a 2nd generation Miata to scratch my performance car itch back in the day.  The handling is of course the big selling point, not so much the straight line speed (though newer gens are no slouch in this area).  I reckon Miatas have close to the highest grin/$$ ratio of any vehicle that is not a motorcycle or dune buggy. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2021, 12:41:31 PM »
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Nope!  I have turned my car hobby into a side gig too, however, so that helps justify it.  I have a small LLC that sells between 10K and 20K each year with parts I have designed for the swapped cars I am interested in.

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2021, 01:05:32 PM »
 hmmmn , well I've tried to quit, or at least lessen the financial outlay, probably every year for the last 10 or so.  After i "learned" about being debt-free/ FIRE.   Probably spent up to a 1/3 of annual take home $$ on vehicles - and speed/ handling upgrades - insurance, etc. for many many years.
 
  Some cars i broke even on, some sold for a profit, some lost $$ on.   Never really had to worry about a car breaking down as there was another to drive if needed, and it geared me towards being my own mechanic, so 'saved' a bunch of money in that sense.

  But to get the future cars i was lusting after [ mostly used muscle or sports cars ]  I needed to churn thru the others to raise funds , costing $$ in taxes and registrations all the time.  It was like having several mates, that clamored for attention, fun and intoxicating at first as you experienced them for yourself [ as opposed to just seeing / sitting in one ] - but i could move on, by selling, and moving onto the next desire.  Part of the lure was the thrill of the chase, finding a low milage survivor. Some cars just "look the business", and there was an appeal of aesthetics / architecture / functionality thrown into the mix.

  But that all sort of crashed when i sold a super low mile, 80's Mitsubishi Turbo, that was originally bought by a 70 yr old couple.  I got into a funk where i convinced myself i needed to sell it, for the $$ as well as to pare down the collection. That car had a "welcome chime" when you opened the doors, "la-la-la-la, hm, hm , lum-dee-dee-dee" . And my approx 6 yr old kid fit great in the backseats.  She was Crying when i announced i had sold it thru E-bay to head 1/2way across the country to another marque enthusiast. Later that day, i went out to  the garage and wept, thinking of my kids disappointment, and that i really didn't need to sell it for the $$ i recieved, and that i was an idiot 'cause of this hobby.
   So since then, anything i buy, i intend to keep for a long time.

  Two of my new cars were "special order" built exactly how i wanted them, colors ,  certain options, etc.  -  Both are "headturners", not your typical family sedans. It's nice when a bus-load of kids sees the cars and get excited and gives thumbs up. Or a kid points excitedly in the gas station - "Daddy thats Batmans car ! " .   On those vehicles I feel almost as if i commisioned a piece of art to be created.  Without my involvment, they wouldn't exist on planet earth.  They'll be passed onto my kid , if she wants them, which of course currently she does. Although there is a feeling of trepidation that my car habits could influence her to go down the same rabbit hole i did.

 So now i try to temper the time, effort , and $$ spent - along with more varied pursuits - camping, martial arts, gardening, etc, so that we are living a "fuller" life.   Still there is somethng great about rowing thru a manual gearbox while i feel the G-forces, in a fast, well handling car....
  Sold the car-trailer this year , as just owning a trailer, aided and abbeted searching for other vehicles on craigslist.

 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2021, 01:49:17 PM »
Another way to keep things going in a more mustachean-friendly manner is doing more upkeep DIY. I don't think I could ever justify keeping a toy car around if I couldn't handle the majority of the work myself. With YouTube and internet forums dedicated to various makes/models, it's easy to keep the costs down. Going to a dealer or shop for $150 oil change or $1k+ for a brake job when I can do it for a third of that in a lazy afternoon with basic hand tools really helps the balance sheet.

Its funny you mention this.  This has always been my go-to line when someone decides to get smart and criticize me about my BMW.  The parts really aren't bad for an older BMW, $300 can get a pretty good set of pads and rotors, and if you don't pay labor its a nice way to skate by and own something nicer than you would've otherwise. 

With that said, I now have a toddler, and its really hard to get time to work on this stuff.  Basically, time spent working on the car is time my wife has to watch my son, whereas before it was time that my wife could do whatever the hell she wanted.  I still do my own maintenance, but its a bit more stressful when I know I'll have a pissed off wife upstairs if the work takes longer than I expect.  Changing the fancy waterpump I mentioned...I thought SHE was the one that was going to blow a gasket, not my car. 

I've got a slight valve cover gasket leak right now, and that's what prompted me to make this thread.  It'll probably take me three sessions in the garage, each about 3 hours long to knock it out (look, I'm slow, okay? Book rate is 5 hours at a dealer) and I'm more bummed about the time than the cost, I'm teetering on the edge of paying the independent BMW shop down the road to do it for $800.

There are so many things that I find fun and exciting that a car can't offer. 


There are so many other exciting vehicles, hobbies, sports, and activities that are worth pursuing or at least trying a few times.  When I see so much money spent on cars I can't help but think about all the other cool things that the owner has to give up to afford the fancy car. 


I'd rather have a "decent used car" plus a number of other decent used toys to enjoy too.  Have you tried street bikes, dirt bikes, boats, jet skis, ATVs, or any of the pedal & paddle versions?  Have you pursued any other types of hobbies?  Life's short, and cars are just one of many things to enjoy. 


Of course, we must all choose our own paths.

I get what you're saying, but how is blowing money on an ATV or a boat any better than a car?  I'd even wager that my car has better resale than your ATV. 

FWIW, I love cycling, but I'm starting to feel the similar to how I do with cars.  Stuff has just gotten so damned expensive.  The N+1 joke used to be funny, but now if you own multiple bikes, it takes a couple hundred dollars a month just to keep them functioning. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2021, 02:05:38 PM »
One car that I absolutely love for the ratio between engineering excellence vs. cost is most generations of the Mazda Miata.

There is a variation of Godwin's Law that deals specifically with online car enthusiast discussions inevitability ending in a debate about Miatas.

I used a 2nd generation Miata to scratch my performance car itch back in the day.  The handling is of course the big selling point, not so much the straight line speed (though newer gens are no slouch in this area).  I reckon Miatas have close to the highest grin/$$ ratio of any vehicle that is not a motorcycle or dune buggy.

Well of course.  Miata Is Always The Answer.

I've often wondered if I could contain my expenditures if I were to get a ratty miata and a boring reliable car.  With my current setup, I basically always have to ensure that my car is in good condition, and I can't really put off spending time and money on it because its my only vehicle.  I could probably stick to a budget easier with a needy second car, because I could just NOT drive it. 

Then again, who knows.  I might just end up pouring twice as much cash into vehicle ownership and have two perfect condition cars and a crappy savings rate. 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2021, 02:32:05 PM »
Just asking - is a Tacoma vs a Beemer really a fiar comparisson?     Quite differnt machines for quite different purposes.   

It is absolutely not a fair comparison.  I never intended to compare, I knew that the Taco would be worse.  I just thought I would adapt after a while and I wouldn't care anymore, and I'd laugh all the way to the bank with my savings in time and money from not having to fix a cranky old Bimmer.  That strategy has worked surprisingly well for me in other parts of my life, but it just didn't "take" with the car.
   

I see.   


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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2021, 03:06:23 PM »
I've often wondered if I could contain my expenditures if I were to get a ratty miata and a boring reliable car.

I've wondered something similar.  I can't justify it now with a family of 5, but I could totally see having a Miata and a minivan once the kids have launched :)

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2021, 05:52:37 PM »
I used to think that being interested in things meant having to own them, but I don't anymore.

There's nothing wrong with being a "car person", but you should question deeply why that would ever have to translate into ownership.

I'm a book person, but I don't need to own books. I'm a fine art person, but I don't need to own a ton of paintings. I'm an animal person, but I don't need to own a ton of exotic animals. And I'm a car person, but I don't need to own expensive cars. I'm a jewelry and fashion person, but I don't need to own a bunch of bling and couture. I'm a nature person, but I don't need to own a ton of land.

The wonderful things of this world can be appreciated and enjoyed without having to own them.

If owning a certain type of car will genuinely enrich your life, then you do you, but make that decision fully and don't angst about it. It either is worth spending on or it isn't.

The cars that I like aren't available for rental except at extremely inflated prices (4 figures per day for a 570S, mid three figures a day for my current car which is a 981S) and with kilometre restrictions. And track day rental in either of those cars is unheard of. If I want the thrill of having a fast car, punting it hard along twisty roads or taking it to the track, ownership is my only option. It might be different in the US where there's a more robust rental scene, or Germany where you can rent all sorts of cars and take them on track even. I know I rented a Porsche 911 in Germany and it was super cheap by Australian standards.

So the enjoyment of some car stuff does require ownership, I'm afraid.

I don't mind putting money into cars. I see it as a fun hobby.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2021, 07:03:09 PM »
I didn't used to be a car guy until I started to wrench on my own vehicles more out of necessity the past few years, but I never had the money or drive to truly scratch that itch knowing how expensive it could get. Then I discovered Tyler Hoover and Hoovie's Garage. Oddly, I learned about him from these forums as his video on repairing a $1500 Prius with a rebuilt battery is frequently linked to in Prius car threads (mostly by @Dave1442397 ). Dude has definitely earned "the dumbest automotive channel in all of Youtube" moniker rightfully after he did a Fast and Furious tribute to the same said Prius and hooked nitrous up to the engine, and only reaffirms that honor with every additional video he publishes... like this one from last week where he's doing donuts in the snow with a low-mileage 25th Anniversary Countach.

It satiates the vicarious fun angle on cars, and also reminds me every time I watch why I never want to own any of these vehicles. My Toyota is plenty of excitement with its caged hamsters, and the wife's Mitsu, though cheap and easy to fix, more than satiates the wrenching itch enough to never want to fix another car again.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2021, 05:19:07 AM »
I'm way less into cars than I used to be.  The direction technology has taken cars has removed much of the fun from them.  I like the simple mechanical, analog systems.  No interest in digital dashboards, bluetooth connected phones, and flappy paddle shifting.  Makes it hard to find anything recent that I enjoy.  Making it even more difficult, I was bit with the mid-engine bug early on (once I went mid-engine, it ruined all other drivetrain layouts for me), and those tend to be the cars that get the latest technology earliest.  Old analog mid-engine cars are getting stupid expensive to buy now.  With me being an all year driver (snow/ice/etc), cars don't last me forever either.  At some point I'll be totally priced out of anything I like.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2021, 05:23:02 AM »
@Daley Yes, I tend to watch a lot of YouTube car channels, mostly to remind me why I don't buy cool cars :)

I've always been a car guy, and have definitely spent too much on them over the years. I bought a 1994 T-Bird SC brand new, which was a lot of money for me at the time (around $24k). I put 138,000 miles on it, but still...

The last must-have was my 2004 Honda S2000, which I bought used in Feb 2005. I couldn't test drive it because it was mostly buried under a snow drift at the dealer's lot. I sold it in 2012 with 87k miles on it.

I don't drive as much these days, but when I do, it tends to be long trips for business, or family vacations. I figured out that what I really wanted on these trips was something quiet and luxurious, and I bought a 2011 Lexus LS 460 in December 2017. I've put 15,500 miles on it since I bought it, and spent $449 on oil changes and engine/cabin filters. I plan on keeping it a long time.

I could see buying an electrified resto-mod in the future. I really love some of the older American cars from the '50s, '60s, and '70s, but what I'd really like is to have those bodies with Tesla (or equivalent) running gear. There are lots of small companies out there doing conversions, but they're still very expensive.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2021, 06:18:54 AM »
I'm way less into cars than I used to be.  The direction technology has taken cars has removed much of the fun from them.  I like the simple mechanical, analog systems.  No interest in digital dashboards, bluetooth connected phones, and flappy paddle shifting.  Makes it hard to find anything recent that I enjoy.  Making it even more difficult, I was bit with the mid-engine bug early on (once I went mid-engine, it ruined all other drivetrain layouts for me), and those tend to be the cars that get the latest technology earliest.  Old analog mid-engine cars are getting stupid expensive to buy now.  With me being an all year driver (snow/ice/etc), cars don't last me forever either.  At some point I'll be totally priced out of anything I like.

There is nothing quite like revving a naturally aspirated mid-engined car to redline. On the twisty roads I can average about 9.5mpg, fuel well spent if you ask me.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2021, 06:20:22 AM »
I'm way less into cars than I used to be.  The direction technology has taken cars has removed much of the fun from them.  I like the simple mechanical, analog systems.  No interest in digital dashboards, bluetooth connected phones, and flappy paddle shifting.  Makes it hard to find anything recent that I enjoy.  Making it even more difficult, I was bit with the mid-engine bug early on (once I went mid-engine, it ruined all other drivetrain layouts for me), and those tend to be the cars that get the latest technology earliest.  Old analog mid-engine cars are getting stupid expensive to buy now.  With me being an all year driver (snow/ice/etc), cars don't last me forever either.  At some point I'll be totally priced out of anything I like.

I don't fully disagree with you here.  I think one of the saving graces that has allowed me to still justify pursuing FIRE and cars is that I tend to like older cars.  BMW ruined most of their cars right around the time I discovered MMM and I thought that was rather convenient! Keeps me from lusting after the latest and greatest.  Years later though, I'm finding that its still possible to dump a ton of time and money into old, depreciated cars too. 

Oh and dual clutch transmissions are awesome.  Try driving a newish one, you'll be impressed.  I had an Q3 rental in Italy with the 7-speed DSG, and while it was a completely underwhelming vehicle dynamically, the transmission was incredible.  One of my silly dreams is to swap the DCT from a 2011-2013 135i into my current wagon.  Its supposed to fit like legos, I just have to deal with purchasing and storing a wrecked car somewhere while I strip it for the motor and transmission. 

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2021, 07:28:35 AM »
If you like the BMW, keep it, pay someone else for big projects that take too much time, and only get something else when it gets truly worn out. That’s probably more cost effective than selling it and buying something different. Figure out a realistic estimate for your yearly costs, and if those fit in your budget and with your other priorities don’t worry about them.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2021, 07:45:12 AM »
I tried multiple times to quit being a car enthusiast but failed miserably. I have sold fun cars for ones that make sense financially(reliability, mpg, holding value) but I couldn't live with those cars. Quality of life matters and without my main hobby(cars), hitting FIRE doesn't make sense. I have stepped back a bit since joining MMM, instead of five project cars, I have one.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2021, 08:10:58 AM »
I am still struggling. I used to get a new car every 5 years or so. Until recently, I never had a car past 100,000 miles. Now I have 2. Although I have bought "sensible" cars, I never miss a chance to visit car shows and museums. My cars are now 18 and 15 years old. I told myself I would not get rid of them until they became unreliable or expensive to maintain. I have been putting off some routine maintenance on one of the cars, kind of willing it to die so I could justify getting something newer. I finally had to admit that the car was reliable and I did  the maintenance (new tires, plugs and fixed an oil leak). It will probably last another 10 years as I don't put a lot of miles on it. It has been a constant struggle to balance wants vs needs.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2021, 09:12:01 AM »
I will tell you, driving around in my Fiatta with the top down during Covid has been an Important avenue of entertainment. We’ve had quite a mild winter here in St. Louis and so I’m still driving around with the top down. And the heater on. And heated seats on.

 I burn gas for the sake of burning gas And I don’t care.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2021, 10:32:56 AM »
I've loved cars since I was a little kid--My dad had an Omni GLH that was always broken, but when it was working, the shove into the seat along with the WOOSH of the turbo spooling was one of the big things I remember from my childhood. We'd egg him on to accelerate faster when we were merging onto freeways and I sobbed when my dad sold it. I was pissed at him for days, hard stuff for a 6 year old to manage. I had an enviable matchbox/hotwheels car collection, with all the ramps and stuff to go with it.  We used to cut out pages from my dad's car magazines and hang them on the walls of my bedroom. 

Basically I was screwed from birth. 

I love cars, and have owned way too many of them.  I currently have an 11 year old BMW, and while its not the least reliable product they make, it has a bit more involved care and feeding than a Corolla or Honda Fit which in turn takes more money and time than a Corolla or Honda Fit.  I've tried to stop liking cars before--I bought a base model Tacoma a few years ago in an attempt to stop the cycle of upgrading and fiddling with BMWs, but I hated everything about it--the crappy transmission, the flexy chassis, the poor ride, the uncomfortable seats, the dim headlights, the coarse motor etc.  I made it 6 months in the Tacoma before I got rid of it and got another BMW. 

I think it must be easier for people who own cars to impress people, but my issue is that I notice the bad stuff, and I'm super impressed when I notice some clever engineering.  For example, the BMW I own right now uses a magnesium engine block, and its one of the lightest engines on the market despite being a 3.0L inline 6.  It uses an electric water pump so that it warms up faster for less engine wear, and it has a thermostat that can regulate the temperature of the motor to bias it towards efficiency or performance.  It makes 230 naturally aspirated horsepower, but it can still get 30+ mpg on the highway! 

I know that a lot of people don't care about that stuff.  I honestly wish I didn't, but when I drive something else, I just can't seem to hedonically adapt down.  I've flirted with selling my car and getting a Honda fit or a Corolla, but I'm leery about making another "Tacoma mistake" as my wife puts it. 

So are there any former car enthusiasts on the board?  How did you quit?


My brother is addicted to BMWs.

I enjoy architectural design, industrial design, and automotive design so while I've never been a car enthusiast I do enjoy certain classic  cars.

I like early 1960s Bentleys and more than once I almost bought one but didn't because the fact is I have ZERO need for it which realization quashed my lust for it.

I also like  and have been tempted by some of the cars Rolls Royce manufactured during the 1990s.

To cope  with  car lust  mull: "Do I really need it?" "Is it necessary for my happiness and contentment?"

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2021, 10:34:35 AM »
My dad is an old-school drag racer, and avid Mopar nut.  I remember when I was little, he always had some sort of Mopar he was wrenching on.  He and my mom married VERY early (19YO) and had two kids by 21.  I have heard MANY stories over the years about all the cars he passed on or missed out on because he had 4 mouths to feed…

FFWD to about 2016.  Dodge had just introduced the Hellcat, putting the world on its ear with 707hp.  My dad couldn’t stop talking about it, and I couldn’t stop talking and reading all the stats and figures I could.  Every time I would see him, I was like “Hey Dad, did you know that the Hellcat…..”

Final one day, my dad looks at me and says “I know your financial situation.  You got PLENTY enough saved for a great early retirement.  Do you know how many Hemi Cudas and 440 Roadrunners I had to pass up because I wasn’t in the same financial situation you are?  Stop talking about the damn Hellcat and just go BUY one already!”

So in late 2017 started looking, and was looking used, but in March of 2018, I found a dealer in SC that had a new leftover 2017 on the lot that they wanted to move, and had priced VERY below market value.  I first saw the car online on Monday, called them on Tuesday, booked a plane ticket Wednesday, and drive her home (SC to OH) on Thursday.

The greatest part about owning it?  I make up an excuse pretty much every week that I need dad’s truck, and I leave him the Hellcat while I borrow the truck  😉     When I come pick it up, there’s at least 50+ more miles on it than when I loaned it to him.  You might say it’s kinda “our” Hellcat.

As far as “quitting” being a car guy?  I forsee it happening the day I also quit breathing.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2021, 10:47:44 AM »
I used to think that being interested in things meant having to own them, but I don't anymore.

There's nothing wrong with being a "car person", but you should question deeply why that would ever have to translate into ownership.

I'm a book person, but I don't need to own books. I'm a fine art person, but I don't need to own a ton of paintings. I'm an animal person, but I don't need to own a ton of exotic animals. And I'm a car person, but I don't need to own expensive cars. I'm a jewelry and fashion person, but I don't need to own a bunch of bling and couture. I'm a nature person, but I don't need to own a ton of land.

The wonderful things of this world can be appreciated and enjoyed without having to own them.

If owning a certain type of car will genuinely enrich your life, then you do you, but make that decision fully and don't angst about it. It either is worth spending on or it isn't.

The cars that I like aren't available for rental except at extremely inflated prices (4 figures per day for a 570S, mid three figures a day for my current car which is a 981S) and with kilometre restrictions. And track day rental in either of those cars is unheard of. If I want the thrill of having a fast car, punting it hard along twisty roads or taking it to the track, ownership is my only option. It might be different in the US where there's a more robust rental scene, or Germany where you can rent all sorts of cars and take them on track even. I know I rented a Porsche 911 in Germany and it was super cheap by Australian standards.

So the enjoyment of some car stuff does require ownership, I'm afraid.

I don't mind putting money into cars. I see it as a fun hobby.

Which is exactly why I specifically said that there's nothing wrong with ownership if someone feels it's worth it to them.

My point was to figure out if it's worth it and own that decision. You have made it clear for a long time that ownership is worth it to you.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2021, 10:53:30 AM »
The greatest part about owning it?  I make up an excuse pretty much every week that I need dad’s truck, and I leave him the Hellcat while I borrow the truck  😉     When I come pick it up, there’s at least 50+ more miles on it than when I loaned it to him.  You might say it’s kinda “our” Hellcat.

As far as “quitting” being a car guy?  I forsee it happening the day I also quit breathing.

Awesome story.

My brother has a 3 year old son that will not stop talking about his dads BMW and will spin donuts(run in circles making engine noises) every time I see him.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2021, 11:31:02 AM »
I am a girl who likes cars. I’m not about performance I’m about pretty lines and attractive shapes.I like them but I don’t have to own them all. I like going to car shows.

I’ve had a few frivolous cars in my life, even while saving for FIRE. My first car was an MG midget. My second frivolous car was a Triumph TR 6 Which in my mind is still pretty much the ultimate sports car.Neither ran especially well and once I became a serious adult I had to have cars that were reliable.

 Then when I retired, and could be unserious again and found I have plenty of money I bought a zippy little two-seater convertible, a Fiatta ( Fiat Spider made by Miata factory.) That’s always the kind of classic cars I like, small ones, usually two-seater convertible. But I like any other little  odd funny cars like Metropolian Nash. Izetta from the 40’s. OG mini Cooper. If I won the lottery I would go out and buy a fleet of funny little cars.

DH is a car guy. In his life he also owned an MG midget before he met me, and then bought a TR 6 after knowing me for a while. But he likes German cars generally I think. His midlife crisis car was a 1979 Mercedes-Benz SL.

I like curvy (zaftig ha-ha!) cars because they are curvy.

The MBZs of the 1960s are among the most beautiful cars ever manufactured.

I lusted for and almost purchased one like these.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2021, 11:41:05 AM »
So are there any former car enthusiasts on the board?  How did you quit?

I quit by getting poor and living in the urban core. Now I'm mustachian and would rather invest the money.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2021, 01:14:53 PM »
I’m a car nut and spent a lot of money when I was young on modifications for my cars.
Nowadays we as a family only have one BMW to share as a family hauler/ school run / car to polish and look after and I get a new car every 3 years.

I have been lusting after a weekend toy car for years, something just for me like a Porsche Boxster or AMG Merc, or even an old classic car.
But like the other poster mentioned just because I love them I don’t necessarily have to own it to feel excited when I see one Drive past.
Could totally afford to buy it but will keep delaying to do the smarter thing financially.

That being said I’m turning 40 at the end of this year so the mid life crisis beckons.
I want a car to keep for the long haul and wash and polish and just look at

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2021, 04:15:01 PM »
Two things helped break me of my car habit. First off, I moved close to work, and then eventually started to work from home full time. Getting my annual mileage down to 5000 miles or so reduced the desire for something nicer to drive. Second, I found a fun car that was way less expensive. In my case, a Mazdaspeed3 that was actually faster than the German sports cars I used to own.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2021, 04:29:00 PM »
I’m just dropping in to say that I got a really smoking deal on a 2016 Miata with 8000 miles on the clock last year and it scratches every itch and gets 35 mpg doing it.

I’d avoided the Miata for a long time, but like green eggs and ham, I found that once I tried it I really liked it.


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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2021, 05:33:20 PM »
I'm not sure I count myself as a "car enthusiast" but I'm a tinkerer and enjoy working on cars and motorcycles. I enjoy driving/riding them, too, but with kids I no longer have much time and I've realized that 99% of my driving is getting from A to B so there's not really any point in having a cool car. That plus the fact that I am concerned about global warming and keeping my carbon footprints down means I just can't justify driving around in something that uses a lot of gas as a daily driver.

Once I FIRE, one of the projects I might do is restore a 240Z. But I think I'll put the time into building an airplane instead, there are no speed limits and very little traffic in the sky.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2021, 07:03:47 PM »
I’m a car nut and spent a lot of money when I was young on modifications for my cars.
Nowadays we as a family only have one BMW to share as a family hauler/ school run / car to polish and look after and I get a new car every 3 years.

I have been lusting after a weekend toy car for years, something just for me like a Porsche Boxster or AMG Merc, or even an old classic car.
But like the other poster mentioned just because I love them I don’t necessarily have to own it to feel excited when I see one Drive past.
Could totally afford to buy it but will keep delaying to do the smarter thing financially.

That being said I’m turning 40 at the end of this year so the mid life crisis beckons.
I want a car to keep for the long haul and wash and polish and just look at

It's fine to delay but if you want to drive a sporty car it might be good to buy it while your back/health still allows it.

The driving position isn't super comfortable in some of those cars and they take a bit of flexibility to get into/out of.

Also, if you like naturally aspirated engines (or even large capacity turbos), they are more and more becoming a thing of the past. In ten years you won't be able to buy a naturally aspirated engine, unless you want to buy a ten-year-old car.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2021, 07:05:55 PM »
I’m a car nut and spent a lot of money when I was young on modifications for my cars.
Nowadays we as a family only have one BMW to share as a family hauler/ school run / car to polish and look after and I get a new car every 3 years.

I have been lusting after a weekend toy car for years, something just for me like a Porsche Boxster or AMG Merc, or even an old classic car.
But like the other poster mentioned just because I love them I don’t necessarily have to own it to feel excited when I see one Drive past.
Could totally afford to buy it but will keep delaying to do the smarter thing financially.

That being said I’m turning 40 at the end of this year so the mid life crisis beckons.
I want a car to keep for the long haul and wash and polish and just look at

It's fine to delay but if you want to drive a sporty car it might be good to buy it while your back/health still allows it.

The driving position isn't super comfortable in some of those cars and they take a bit of flexibility to get into/out of.

Also, if you like naturally aspirated engines (or even large capacity turbos), they are more and more becoming a thing of the past. In ten years you won't be able to buy a naturally aspirated engine, unless you want to buy a ten-year-old car.

But everyone will get out of your way if you are driving the last of the V-8 interceptors!

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2021, 08:20:49 AM »
I don't think it ever goes away.

I've had an Acura (ate transmissions like crazy), early us-spec wrx (noisey as heck), 1-ton diesel ram (pain in the ass to park) and loved them all for very different reasons.

I'm 7-years into a Subaru Outback ... without the manual transmission, I would have certainly left it by now. Everyone once in a while I look into replacing it with some more fun/luxurious/sporty/sculpted/gadget-filled.

Ultimately I never do. For two (big) reasons, plus a host of smaller reasons/justifications. First, I own the Outback outright to replace it I would have to either sell assets or take a car payment; that bothers me more than my painfully neutral feeling towards the car. Second, my commute (back when I had one) was less than 10 miles one way (often the heat will not be warm until halfway) on one mostly straight 45 mph road with one traffic light; the improvement in my life having a significantly nicer car would be minimal.

Now when I do need to replace it ... ok when the cost to keep it running overwhelms the neutral feelings I have towards the car ... I will replace it with some that goes to one extreme or the other. The bland car that seems to do everything well is just not for me, I want something that does at least one thing very well even if it means a few endearing (to me) "quirks" elsewhere.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2021, 10:30:22 AM »

I've owned a Miata for the past 25 yrs or so.  I read car magazines, watch car tv shows and go to local car shows.  When I read about the cost to actually own and maintain many "enthusiast" cars, I can't justify it.  The Miata is great because you can spend as little or as much as you like.  They are extremely reliable, cheap to maintain/insure and a lot of fun to drive.  Of course, there are plenty of other cars that could meet this criteria.  Our last family car was an Avalon and our present one is a Altima.  When it comes time to replace the Altima, we will probably step back up to a better quality car, like a Honda or Lexus.  If you are willing to purchase quality used cars, you can buy amazingly good cars for a very reasonable price.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2021, 07:38:46 AM »
Alternative take:


You can pour your car enthusiast passion for aerodynamics, power curves, and turning of wrenches into hypermiling/ecomodding. It's very much the exact same "game" of wringing the highest performance possible from your vehicle and driving skills, just played to achieve fuel efficiency instead of speed. It requires just as much understanding of vehicle systems, tinkering in the garage, and hatred of automatic transmissions as a normal "I'm a car guy" hobby. But you can do it with a car that works way better as your commuter/daily driver, and there is no need for track days of any sort.

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2021, 08:30:18 AM »
That is true but there is a visceral/emotional reaction that I (and I suspect many others) get from revving an engine with not much inertia all the way to redline. The rise and fall of the revs and the howl that it produces. Likewise an emotional reaction from hitting a curve fast and getting pinned into your seat. It makes your heart beat and the hairs on your neck stand on end. For me it gives me chills. So it's not so much the intellectual bit of tinkering (and you can do that whether on track or while hypermiling) but the emotions and adrenaline associated with hearing a howling engine and feeling the wind around me. It is very hard to replicate this short of, I don't know, going on an even more extreme activity.

As always, YMMV

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Re: Anyone tried to "quit" being a car enthusiast?
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2021, 09:10:36 AM »
Engineering is all relative and changes over time.  If you had a 2010 Tacoma truck in 1960 you would be simply amazed at the technology.  The BMW tech you admire today will seem pretty boring in a couple decades.  Germans love gizmos and buttons in their cars so a great choice if you like lots of engineering in the form of systems, complexity and features.

I prefer Japanese engineering as I find there is a lot more thought put into precision, durability, usability, simplicity and the "human" element of driving or riding in a car.  In particular, Lexus excels at "touch and feel" of the interiors, controls, seats, engine smoothness, noise, vibration, etc.  Top Gear did a video in the 90s where they put a glass of water on the motor of a revving Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. The water barely rippled on the Lexus engine but nearly splashed out of the glass  on the European motors.

I've owned Mercedes, BMW, VW and countless other cars but we currently have two high-mile Lexi and are shopping for a Toyota "farm truck".