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Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« on: January 08, 2017, 09:09:59 PM »
Anyone feel that way about travel?

Travel seems to be one of those things that your 'supposed' to love.

Myself I've been on some trips and had a great time and other times I've been and wished I was at home.

But then I seem to spend a lot of time watching travel shows on tv and youtube and to be honest I'm quite bored living here in Canada in the dark rainy winter months.

Being January it's been a few months since it was outdoors weather and it'll be a couple or three months more until it spring.

I sometimes think I'd be OK just living in a warmer climate, not so much travelling the world as much as just setting up shop in a place where I can get outside year round but not baking hot.

Was reading about Panama and Uruguay, but also thought about Florida.

I've been to some far flung places that were sunny and cheap, at first they seemed interesting and exotic, but after a few times going places like that I just started to think they were dumps with some strange customs and seeing gangs of kids with no clothes and sniffing glue together brought me down.

I'd sort of like my 'love' for travel to come back, but not sure if it's realistic.  At one time when I was younger I wanted my 'love' for going to bars to come back, but eventually realised I'd just got older and it was over.

Not sure about travel.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2017, 09:25:18 PM »
Love/hate? Well, I hate expensive plane tickets but I've had an absolute blast every time I go across the pond. Been to some truly random places in eastern europe, drink a lot, have lots of fun talking with people and enforcing and breaking stereotypes, seeing some history and so on. So worth it.

But if you're not getting anything from it? Then don't. Cause it's not exactly cheap even going to cheap places.

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2017, 02:13:02 AM »
I love to travel. In my pre-FIRE years, I deliberately limited myself primarily to domestic travel. Now that I am FIRE and could theoretically go anywhere in the world, my MIL and her pal Al Z. Heimer live with us,which has made it um, not feasible right now.

Go as far and as often as your sensibilities, budget and stamina will allow. Don't travel for the sake of collecting merit badges. But know that the door might not always be open.

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 02:21:34 AM »
I like the actual moving part of travel, as long as I'm not doing it on a tight deadline for work, as that is just too full of stress.  I have always hated being in one hotel for more than a night or two- the lack of homeliness and privacy gets to me at about 4 days and, perhaps oddly, a series of short stays in each place of one or two or three nights suits me better.  I like being in other parts of the world: the changes in people, scenery, climate, food and culture around the globe are endlessly fascinating.

Too much international travel for work destroyed a lot of the magic for me (especially the hotel thing), and living abroad for work, although it was a great experience and I enjoyed it, created a new appreciation of the comforts of living in one's home country.

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 03:43:20 AM »
Great thread topic, pudding, and I've enjoyed reading the earlier replies. Thank you.

I think that might be a tough needle to thread, pudding. You don't want to make such a significant decision and regret it.

My version of the love/hate relationship with travel is that for 20 years, I have lived a long transoceanic flight away from my family in South Florida. Actually, I usually have to take two flights with a minimum total flight time of at least 15 hours. Over time, the flights and the pre-flight anxiety and sleep disruption have caused me to become more and more sick. In November 2015, a trip to Florida caused me to have a relapse of mono. So, I informed my family that I would no longer fly to the US except for emergencies.

On the other hand, over the past few years, I have traveled for vacations much more than I had the first 15 years after I immigrated outside the US. I absolutely love traveling for leisure, and have rediscovered my fondness for cruising, as well.

Furthermore, I am attracted to the idea of long-term or permanent travel. Doing so is and will be part of my FIRE considerations - as long as I don't have to take transoceanic flights. It's possible that those flights, the anxiety, and the sleep disruption associated with them are related to me still working full-time. If I was not tied to a full-time job, I might not become as anxious the day or two before the flight, and that might not disrupt my sleep.

Anyway, I applaud your consideration of out-of-the-box options to improve your quality of life!

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2017, 04:58:21 AM »
You say you've had some good trips and some meh ones.  What about the good trips did you like.  Was it the activities, the location or something else.  When you figure that out then plan your next trip based on your interests.  I'm guessing the meh ones were trips where something like this happened.  Oh everyone says that this is a great place because the nightlife in Dubrovnik is awesome and so are the "beach bars," plus it's inexpensive but you aren't much of a drinker so it was cool but not all that.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 05:14:24 AM »
I spent years traveling all over the US on my business trips and to Europe on DH's. So many airports and long plane rides. Now I live in central Florida and am happy to mostly stay home. No dark cold winters here. The hot summers I spend near the pool. When I do travel, it's to see people rather than places.

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 06:00:12 AM »
Travelled so much as a military member and then as a military wife that it ceased to be fun. I do like to be home. Having said that, I've found over the years that picking and choosing where I go and when, and only going to places that I'm really interested in, makes all the difference. Also, learning how to pack well and make myself as comfortable as possible during the trip has helped a lot. I've spent a lot of time researching one-bag travel, and while I don't always one-bag it (car trips, for example), I've found that practicing efficient minimalism has made plane trips a lot easier...and actually spilled over to the way I live my life over all.

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 07:14:32 AM »
I definitely have a love/hate relationship with travel.  I absolutely love being in the new place once I'm there but the actual getting there? Hate.  It.  Everything from the price of plane tickets to the insane amount of time and hassle security/ customs is.  Ugh.  Still, I love being in new places so I tolerate all the hassle.

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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 08:15:17 AM »
I definitely have a love/hate relationship with travel.  I absolutely love being in the new place once I'm there but the actual getting there? Hate.  It.  Everything from the price of plane tickets to the insane amount of time and hassle security/ customs is.  Ugh.  Still, I love being in new places so I tolerate all the hassle.
That's what I hate most about air travel.  I'm okay once I've made it onto the plane, but getting from the parking lot to the gate has become a royal pain in the ass.  The luggage fees and rules are also a complicating factor.  In addition, I don't like big crowds or waiting in lines.  If I've got to wait on something, I at least want a cold beverage in my hand while I'm forced to wait.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 08:19:21 AM »
I have a love relationship with travel. There's no hate whatsoever, and my wife is the same. We've just spent an entire year travelling around the world with nothing but two backpacks and have enjoyed every single second of it. Yes, it's expensive (I think we spent around $40,000 total for the both of us combined including flights, insurance, visa fees, souvenirs from each and every country, and actual travel expenses) but very doable if you have the time and willpower to avoid fancy hotels and restaurants and stay where the locals are instead.

Our general rule of thumb was a nice hotel around once every four weeks or so for a night or two, the rest of the time we were either camping or staying at hostels or cheap hotels or AirBnB depending on the country. Obviously we were also cooking ourselves most of the time - hostels and AirBnB are great for that because they almost always offer a fully equipped kitchen you can use to cook your own meals and refridgerate your food - and only went out to eat maybe once or twice a week. Except for Asia, where we went out for street food every single day because a) street food is sooooooooooo delicious, b) depending on the country it's between 50ct (Myanmar, Cambodia) and $2 (China) per person per meal, and c) did I mention it's friggin delicious???

So no, I don't have a love/hate relationship with international travel because it's the best thing you can do with your life. We're already planning a second trip around the world once we retire, and this time it'll be much longer. A year just isn't enough to see the world.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 08:39:52 AM »
I have just recently started thinking about this. 

I have ALWAYS wanted to travel internationally, it sounds awesome!  Seeing and experiencing other cultures, I have even considered trying to find work in other countries.

In December we spent a week at my parents for the holidays and about day 3 I couldn't help but think, I wish I was at home.  This wasn't because I dislike my parents or because it was a bad visit, I would have rather been at home.  Summer 2015 we went on a couple different shortish vacations, one to CA and the other to south TX (family) and both times, I was really ready to be back at home before we loaded the plane.  Now these might be because we have a toddler and it is just a little harder traveling with her than when there was just the 2 of us.  Maybe it is because I have become so set in my habits that getting outside my comfort zone is not as awesome as it seems in my head.  I am not sure the reason but I do think I will probably be set with just a few smaller vacations/camping trips for the next few years.  Maybe once the kid(s) gets a little older traveling might be as awesome as it is in my head.

I do NOT like winter so that really plays a major role in me wanting to travel during this time of the year.  I often think, if I lived in ____ (insert magical place) I would be so much more happy because I could do ____.  Ultimately, we will probably not move, family is here, husband is happy here, kid, blah, blah, blah.  We spent our honeymoon in Tonga, how I want to move to a slower pace life.

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2017, 10:37:53 AM »
Me.  For quite different reasons.

I was in the Air Force for 20 years.  Enlisted.  I flew around the world (almost literally) for 15 years.
As an enlisted (electronics tech) support person, I was very seldom getting what anyone here would call decent accommodations.
My flying spanned the liberation of Grenada (ya, I know you don't know what that was) through Dessert Storm and multiple pre and post support campaigns.
There was little opportunity to 'visit' most of the places I went.  And a few I really didn't want to, usually for safety  reasons.
I've had my 'fill' of international travel, in spades.  But it wasn't commercial, passenger travel.
And parts of me would like to visit things I saw from afar like aqua ducts made by the romans, cathedrals  and  castles.  And to actually experience other cultures.
I've done some commercial domestic travel.  I can do a six hour flight standing on my head, but the inane hassel of airports... and changing planes... OMG...
For international, I'd have to deal with more of that, and making arrangements, deal with  exchange rates and... who knows.
And there's the costs.   Travel hacking seems like a chicken-n-egg scenario.


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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2017, 10:41:22 AM »
Yes - I've started coming to terms with the fact that the way other people vacation (specifically, seeing All the Things in a particular city over a couple of weeks, particularly internationally) isn't really my thing. The planning and logistics and stress of Doing it All is often more of a pain than its worth, particularly because some of the things that are the Thing to Do in a particular city just aren't my jam. If I don't go to monuments in my own city, it seems silly to hit all the Parisian ones just so I can take a selfie and say I've been there, if I don't get much personal enjoyment out of being there in the first place.

So, I've changed my travel style to fit what I actually prefer - finding locales that are beautiful to just "be" in, taking my time to just relax there instead of hitting all the "must do"s. I give myself permission to spend full days on a sunny balcony or a beach. I plan my days around food. I pick maybe one activity/cultural center per day instead of three. I can stay at the Louvre or whatever until I'm tired of it, and not force myself to stay for hours to make it "worth it." This also means that I end up staycationing more often, because a lot of those things that I actually like about vacations I can do at home instead - I have a sunny patio and interesting things to do right here.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2017, 11:04:02 AM »
I find this topic so interesting because I often hear people say that they feel like they should love to travel, but they don't. I think there's so much pressure to love travel for some reason, but it's honestly okay to not love it. I personally love it, but I don't think it's bad that I have friends that are happier at home and hate being away. You do whatever makes you happy.

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2017, 01:00:42 PM »
Good to read the replies and other peoples thoughts on this.

I'm still sort of sifting through my past trips and picking out which elements of the trips were good, bad, mistakes and myths and what can I take that was good and maybe repeat it.

I've been to quite a lot of places,  besides Canada, USA and Mexico and England ... I think 8 countries in Europe, and 8 in Asia. Around 20 countries in total. If I add it up would be around a year and a half travelling around.

I think the most memorable trips were the ones where I knew people there or met good people there, or travelled with people who's company I enjoyed. Plus a roll of the dice and things coming up sixes instead of ones or twos. Also I've come to realise that if I set off on the trip feeling pretty good or bad about life then I'll feel the same on the trip. Might sound obvious, but I hear a lot of people saying a trip is what you need when your feeling down... myself I can't agree with that one.

Also I've come to realise that I don't like to spend time in impoverished places. Or places recovering from a war or some kind of disaster.  It might sound obvious, but Cambodia is a good example of a country recovering from a war, at least it was when I went quite a few years back, it's beggars and land mine victims with limbs missing such a downer. 

Manilla Philippines is a good example of the kind of impoverished place that brings me down with its gangs of glue sniffing kids and armed guards in every McDonalds and Joliee Bee and diesel smog that turns your snot black, tiny city parks with dead grass and smells of urine.

Also some of the modes of transport that I've been on, an overnight  bus with faulty brakes that had to go down huge steep hills and the seat in front of me broken so that it reclined onto my knees. Another bus where the girl next to me was sick in a bag and then just hung it on the hook on the seat in front of her for the rest of the trip, and the bathroom stop was some bushes where you had to dodge all the dried out turds from peoples previous stops.

Cafes where you go piss up against a wall out back as there are no facilities. Rats that eat the garbage a couple of feet away for where I was eating.

Then there's some of the crap holes where I slept. One that comes to mind is a capsule hotel in Tokyo, when they saw I had tattoos they kicked me out. It was Saturday night and everywhere full, so I drunk in bars until late and then slept in McDonalds, woke up feeling like death warmed up.

This damp ugly musty smelling room I got late at night in Bagio city, I remember the posters outside reminding people that it was illegal to eat dogs! ???  This hut thing on an island in Thailand and woke up covered in ants.

Also there are some places I thought would be really interesting but personally I really didn't find them interesting. Hong Kong is one that comes to mind.. I was only there a couple of days but for me it was about a day too long. I know other people that say HK is great, they often say the shopping is great there!  Maybe thats what it is, that I have no interest in shopping.

My pleasant memories are when I went to visit my girlfriend in Korea for 5 weeks... a road trip I went on with a couple of friends from Vancouver to Tijuana, A trip from Paris to London with an old girlfriend and some local camping trips with friends and family, also the first time I went to Thailand and stayed in Chiang Mai, I was travelling solo but met a lot of people that I really clicked with.

In contrast the second time I went to Thailand a year later, my mum had just died and I thought the trip would be good for me, but it was the opposite, and instead of meeting fun people like the first time I ended up with these 2 dutch heavy metal freaks that used to roady for a metal band.

They told me they used to throw buckets of pigs blood on the audience! One of them chewed ritalin all day long and stole a bit of the Angor Wat temple, he laughed about it saying "imagine if everyone stole a bit, there be non of it left in time"

Home sweet home lol... I'm writing this and really feeling its a nice place to be.





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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2017, 06:35:31 PM »
I love travel. Thinking about the places I've been, things I've seen, and the people I've met legitimately brings me joy.

If you don't love it then don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to travel.

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 07:44:36 PM »
I love travel. Thinking about the places I've been, things I've seen, and the people I've met legitimately brings me joy.

If you don't love it then don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to travel.
Amen!

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2017, 07:46:55 PM »
Love/hate? Yes! That is to say, I hate traveling.
Ya'll are nuts! I say in the most loving way possible.. :P

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 08:03:53 PM »
I do, but that comes from a place of having lived abroad in the U.K., Indonesia and Colombia for 10 years after having spent the prior 6 years working offshore on a 6 week on/off rotation, taking month long backpacking trips twice a year.  I got burnt out on travel. 

After moving home to Canada to nest, I waited three years before taking a non work trip to Portugal last year.  It was a watercolor sketching trip lead by an artist I admire.  My next trip is this summer to Chicago for the urban sketcher symposium. So for me, I don't foresee any international travel that isn't coupled with an art workshop of some sort.  The  workshop element definitely adds to the excitement factor for me. 

One thing I know about myself is that I derive as much, if not more pleasure out of the planning and anticipation for a trip as I do on the trip itself.  With the art workshop trips, they usually book 8-12 months ahead of time so it maximizes the anticipation pleasure for sure. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2017, 08:58:10 PM »
I'm with those who say they hate the expense and the process of getting to/from, but I love actually being there, wherever there is. Of course I've enjoyed some destinations more than others, and some days more than others, but I wouldn't trade my experiences for more time to just enjoy being home. I do find that I don't enjoy international travel as much if I've been away from home a lot already for work, and I enjoy it more if I either go with someone I already know or join a group trip once I'm there. (G Adventures has been great, though this is obviously a more expensive option than going on my own. I did a few trips with them when I first started traveling, and I think I'll probably use them again for destinations I don't feel comfortable going to alone.)

I know this is not really the forum where the answer should be to throw more money at the problem, but it seems like that might really help you. I'm not suggesting you stay at the Ritz, but a little more spending might make a big difference. If you could find a way to spend a little more on lodging, etc. you might enjoy your trips more. Maybe going with a friend and splitting the cost of a nicer a hotel room, or doing more camping, or things like that would help. And now that you've been to a lot of places, you can choose your destinations based on what you've liked (or not) in the past.

If it helps, some of my favorite places have been Central and South America and Iceland. Great people, beautiful scenery, lots of outdoor activities.

And yeah, if you just aren't a person who loves to travel, well, you've sure given it a good try, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying being home!

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2017, 09:34:10 PM »
I like to be somewhere else, but I dislike the flights and dealing with security. In my recent trips, I found European security to be much kinder and sane than their American counterparts.

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2017, 11:50:05 PM »
The only thing I don't like is the 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive from my house to the airport.  After that, it's all an adventure.

The last big trip was five weeks in Europe with a few "must sees", a general idea of our travel (so we didn't back track a lot), a planned first visit with distant relatives in France, and train tickets.  I booked hotels and train sleepers the day before we went to our next location.  I hope to do many more trips and would love to visit a new country for two weeks at least once a year (after I help DS with college).

I want to do all my international travel now, because I have a feeling that someday I may get tired of all the "hassles" of security, long flights, etc.  When the time comes that it no longer excites me, I hope to get a camper or camper van and a dog, and we'll travel wherever I feel like driving.

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2017, 10:30:26 AM »
I have always loved travel and my wife and I have visited so manyaazing places in so many countries.

However, recently my love of travel has diminished maybe a little.

I have been working as an expat for the past few years, and have been taking every opportunity to take short trips to places that are so far from Australia but relatively close to where I  working.

All of this travel has left me questioning a bit "why?"

We keep going to new places so never have time to revisit places we loved.
We keep rushing around places for a few days to see sites that I  am not always overly interested in.
We spend a fortune.
We never have enough time.

I think my love of travel will return when we are not so rushed post fire. We will spend less, won't feel obliged to pack in as much as possible and will have time to revisit our facourite places.

Definitely my favorite trips have been my longest trips. The more months the better!


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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2017, 11:27:58 AM »
I'm very glad I was able to travel for work, because it let me realize that I don't care much for it. I've been sight seeing in Mexico, China, South Korea, Romania, The Netherlands, UK, France, and my favorite, Switzerland, but I find far more enjoyment reading a good book at home.

I still like to see exotic places on youtube, etc. but now when I see them I think "That's awesome, I'm so glad I could see such a neat place without the hassle of getting there, planning and arranging everything, spending all that money, and getting back!"

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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2017, 12:18:30 PM »
When I learned that a flight across the U.S. contributes about a year's worth of driving to global warming, I decided to go a year without flying. It seemed like it shouldn't be that hard. It was at first, but then my perspective changed and I started realizing that people found ways to be happy before they could fly. So I did. I'm sure I'll fly again some day, but not nearly like some people do today.

Talk to people about not flying and you hear the most entitled, specious justifications for why it doesn't really pollute that much, or that they aren't responsible for it. And they wonder why the sea levels are rising.

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2017, 12:40:23 PM »
And they wonder why the sea levels are rising.
I'm not a denier or anything, but out of curiosity, how much will sea levels rise in the next 100 years (or any timeframe), and how much less would they rise if every plane trip was replaced by trips using equivalent miles of cars/ships/etc.?
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2017, 12:47:39 PM »
Travel by car - almost all love.  The only downer to car travel is time.  I only have so much vacation time and therefore can only get so far from my home before having to turn back around.  I am very much looking forward to long, unhurried road trips when we FIRE!

Travel by plane - ugh...definitely a love/hate relationship there.  Airports and planes are nightmares and it is a shame that at both the beginning and end of the trip something puts a bad taste in your mouth :(  Then there is the cost!  Hopefully we can wiggle down the costs a little post FIRE since we won't have to fly around weekends, etc., but even then its a pretty penny.  Better yet - I look forward to trading a plane for a car whenever possible once we FIRE!

I can't imagine my life without travel...but I can imagine the time coming when we go on fewer international trips, and instead opt for domestic trips (plus Canada, and perhaps some Northern Mexico).  There is so much to see and enjoy right here, that I can see us deciding one day that the hassle and expense of heading to Europe, Asia, Africa, etc just isn't worth it.

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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2017, 12:48:34 PM »
I love travel in small doses, but don't want to travel all the time.

I actually like parts of the traveling process: people watching at airports, seeing the city from a bus, finding out what local grocery stores are like, etc.  To me that's part of the fun of being out and about, instead of in my nest.  I also like a moderate amount of travel prep... did read somewhere that normally, about 50% or more of the pleasure in traveling is the anticipation, so props to the posters who mentioned that. 

Am definitely of the school that wants to visit someone at the "destination" or do some of the traveling with a companion, even though in home life I am usually an independent loner.  Just picked up a bunch of travel miles with the intent of adding some trips to my life in the next few years.  The anticipation has begun!

PS.  To the poster who mentioned Uruguay - PM me if you decide to go, or are looking for onsite input. I am planning a trip there, maybe next year.  I have a buddy who is moving there in a few months.  I will be glad to pass on any tips.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2017, 02:10:16 PM »
I definitely have a love/hate relationship with travel.  I absolutely love being in the new place once I'm there but the actual getting there? Hate.  It.  Everything from the price of plane tickets to the insane amount of time and hassle security/ customs is.  Ugh.  Still, I love being in new places so I tolerate all the hassle.
That's what I hate most about air travel.  I'm okay once I've made it onto the plane, but getting from the parking lot to the gate has become a royal pain in the ass.  The luggage fees and rules are also a complicating factor.  In addition, I don't like big crowds or waiting in lines.  If I've got to wait on something, I at least want a cold beverage in my hand while I'm forced to wait.

Yes!  Crowds, lines and waiting are NOT my thing.  Hence my kids have never been to Disney- haha!  When I traveled for work I at least had club access and pre-screen for security- cold drink and whatnot.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2017, 02:15:27 PM »
I like the actual moving part of travel, as long as I'm not doing it on a tight deadline for work, as that is just too full of stress.  I have always hated being in one hotel for more than a night or two- the lack of homeliness and privacy gets to me at about 4 days and, perhaps oddly, a series of short stays in each place of one or two or three nights suits me better.  I like being in other parts of the world: the changes in people, scenery, climate, food and culture around the globe are endlessly fascinating.

Too much international travel for work destroyed a lot of the magic for me (especially the hotel thing), and living abroad for work, although it was a great experience and I enjoyed it, created a new appreciation of the comforts of living in one's home country.
I couldn't agree more.  My husband and I used to travel 50%-75% for work (not together unfortunately).  Traveling so much that once or twice I actually forgot where I was.  People used to be jealous but really, a conference room in Raleigh is oh-so-similar to the conference rooms in London.  I actually didn't travel ANYWHERE for about 3 years after I quite that job.  Now, we both travel very little for work and so can enjoy the occasional trip MUCH more.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2017, 01:55:39 PM »
Reading all the replies has given me lots to work with and figure out just where me and travel are at.

I don't think it's that I don't want to travel at all, that's why it keeps coming up for me.  I think it's more that I've been doing it wrong, or at least could be doing it a lot better.

Also timing, sometimes there are just better or more important things to be doing at home.

Came across this funny blog post re; Lost That Travel Feeling


http://www.unbravegirl.com/2011/10/lost-that-travel-feeling/

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2017, 02:13:40 PM »
Reading all the replies has given me lots to work with and figure out just where me and travel are at.

I don't think it's that I don't want to travel at all, that's why it keeps coming up for me.  I think it's more that I've been doing it wrong, or at least could be doing it a lot better.

Also timing, sometimes there are just better or more important things to be doing at home.

Came across this funny blog post re; Lost That Travel Feeling


http://www.unbravegirl.com/2011/10/lost-that-travel-feeling/

I could have written that blog post three years ago, right down to the contrast of pre expat life vs. expat life. 

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2017, 01:59:27 AM »
Reading all the replies has given me lots to work with and figure out just where me and travel are at.

I don't think it's that I don't want to travel at all, that's why it keeps coming up for me.  I think it's more that I've been doing it wrong, or at least could be doing it a lot better.

Also timing, sometimes there are just better or more important things to be doing at home.

Came across this funny blog post re; Lost That Travel Feeling


http://www.unbravegirl.com/2011/10/lost-that-travel-feeling/

Interesting read. Totally had a breakup with travel a few years ago. We now mostly do hot, crazy flings for a few days and then forget about each other for months on end. I mean, I'm sure that's what travel does - I know that's what I do.

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Re: Anyone have a love / hate thing for international travel?
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2017, 02:19:03 PM »
Yes - I've started coming to terms with the fact that the way other people vacation (specifically, seeing All the Things in a particular city over a couple of weeks, particularly internationally) isn't really my thing. The planning and logistics and stress of Doing it All is often more of a pain than its worth, particularly because some of the things that are the Thing to Do in a particular city just aren't my jam. If I don't go to monuments in my own city, it seems silly to hit all the Parisian ones just so I can take a selfie and say I've been there, if I don't get much personal enjoyment out of being there in the first place.

So, I've changed my travel style to fit what I actually prefer - finding locales that are beautiful to just "be" in, taking my time to just relax there instead of hitting all the "must do"s. I give myself permission to spend full days on a sunny balcony or a beach. I plan my days around food. I pick maybe one activity/cultural center per day instead of three. I can stay at the Louvre or whatever until I'm tired of it, and not force myself to stay for hours to make it "worth it." This also means that I end up staycationing more often, because a lot of those things that I actually like about vacations I can do at home instead - I have a sunny patio and interesting things to do right here.

THIS!!!!!