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Any telecommuters here?
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:45:50 PM »
Since I know a lot of people on here are in IT I'm wondering if there are many people who work partially or entirely from home. I'm currently wondering if it would be better for me to start looking for a telecommute software developer job since I want to get rid of the car I need to go to work. My current employer is not OK with telecommuting but the demand for software developers is so high that I don't think it would be hard for me to find another place.

Another reason why I believe I shoud telecommute is because software jobs in my region don't pay as well as other places do. I could get at least a 50% increase in salary from fiding a telecommute job.

My girlfriend is telling me that telecommuting sucks because you spend the whole day inside and don't get to hang out with your coworkers, but I don't think it would be that bad. I'd have a lot more time to spend with my family and friends just from getting rid of the commuting time at my current job. And if I don't like it, it's not like finding a new job closer to my place would be that much work.

So what are your thoughts on telecommuting? Good, bad? Tried it?

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 04:53:42 PM »
I telecommute Tues-Fri, and drive in to the office (which is like 60 miles away) on Mondays. The isolation is real, you can miss hanging out with your co-workers, but you're hardly stuck in the house all day. Telecommuters largely get to set their own hours, so if you want to take a break and go for a walk or go to the park on your lunch break or whatever, that's never a problem.

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 06:39:58 PM »
I am not in IT, but I have telecommuted exclusively for a year, and 80% of the time for several years before that (in the same job, which I held in an office before that). It is very rare that I miss the in-the-office aspect of my job, but I still have relationships with people in my (former?) office, which may be very different if you seek out a new job to start your telecommute. The flexibility inherent in the situation is a huge positive factor, in my view, whether it's from being able to live where you want to live but still hold a job that pays an industry-leading salary, or from the day-to-day flexibility of how and when you'll be able to work (but that may vary depending on your job and employer; my job requires a lot of responsiveness, but I can generally build a block of a couple of hours of time out of the house into a workday and also be able to tend to tasks at intervals throughout the day). It works well for some people. What would you miss about your current job if you stopped going to the office? If the answer is "nothing," then it's probably an easy decision. Be prepared to be upfront and realistic with a potential employer about how you see it working.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 06:55:02 PM »
I telecommute 2 days a week currently and would like it to be more, honestly.  I'd rather do only 1 or 2 days a week in the office.  I did have a job for one year where I telecommuted full time, and that was fine as well.  I find it to be much more efficient in terms of both time and cost.  I eat better, I can work out in the middle of the day, and I save a ton on gas.

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 07:41:14 PM »
I work 2 days a week in the office and the rest at home - 4-6 days a week, depending how I feel. However I was with the same employer for 5 years before they let me try working from home. A few of us did a bit of part time work from home before that, but I was the first to have specific days I would work fully at home. Now more of my co-workers are doing it.
I'm introverted so seeing coworkers 2 days a week, plus my husband is plenty. I get outside much more in the daylight when I'm working at home. I'll just give myself errands like walking to the store, so I have a reason to get out when it's sunny.

I love it. My company knows that if I had to work in the office full time I'd only do 28 hrs. Working from home I do closer to 35-40 and am more efficient as well.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 07:57:00 PM »
I telecommute, but as an independent contractor with (currently) several different clients, rather than working as an employee for a single company, so my experience may be different.  In my case, your GF is utterly wrong about not getting outside.  This time of year, I typically will work about 9-1, take off in the afternoon for cross-country skiing, hiking with the dogs, or similar, then work about 6-11 pm.  (Summers I reverse things, doing outside stuff in the morning while it's cool.)  And don't expect to get rid of the car, as you'll need it to get to all the different trailheads &c.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 08:53:18 PM »
I'm not in IT, but have been telecommuting, going for about 4 years now. I really liked it for the first year, but after several I'm a little burnt out. I've considered working from a co-working space (but have a hard time justifying the few hundred dollar/mo expense) and I find myself needing to go 'out' a fair amount.  I wouldn't argue against it, but I also wouldn't jump into it lightly either. You have to be able to seperate yourself from your job when it is busy and the computer is right there and you have to be able to be self-motivated when it is slow and you have plenty of available distractions at home.

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 10:40:44 PM »
Yup, I only work 20-30 hours a week but all of them are from "home" and I am currently 7 timezone away from my boss so I'm about as remote as you get. This is after 6 years of being a good or very good employee and a couple years setting it up with long holidays where I worked some of the time to keep projects going.

I don't really miss working in an office at all. I miss being in the same town as 6 years worth of friends and the various perks we'd get (good coffee, fresh fruit, all sorts of free snack food, the occasional free meal / champagne, etc). I don't miss having to go to the office (even if it was walking distance and flexi-time), pointless meetings, office douchebags, and feeling like I'm being watched all the time.

In summary, I think teleworking is great (although I am an introvert in quite a self-sufficient role).

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 12:31:29 AM »
i am self-employed and work from home. i don't find the isolation a problem when the work is coming in, if i'm busy then i don't want distractions anyway. and i guess workless gaps will be less of an issue if you're taking on a full-time job but telecommuting.
i love the flexibility, sometimes i work 7-3 and take the rest of the day off, sometimes i work 8-12 and 4-8 although i usually stick to regular office hours. but it's so great to be able to take a walk in the nearby park during my lunch break or to have something warm to eat when it's cool.
my issues are: i've moved to a new area and would find it easier to make friends (or at least acquaintances) if i had an office job. in my shared house the heating is on morning/evening but by midday it gets quite cold.
i have a desktop which i use primarily for work so when that's off, work's over too. helps me keep things separate and also motivate myself. if i'm on my desktop i should be working.

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 07:19:20 AM »
Could you propose to your current employer a trial period where you work at home 2x per week, for, say, 6 weeks? Stodgy managers sometimes need to be eased into things.

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 07:58:34 AM »
Could you propose to your current employer a trial period where you work at home 2x per week, for, say, 6 weeks? Stodgy managers sometimes need to be eased into things.

I used to work 4 days a week at my current employer last year and I asked if I could go to 5 days a week with fridays being telecommute days and the answer I got was "absolutely not"

We do lots of quick team meetings throughout the day and work on things in team so I guess it's not the right work environment and mentality for remote work. I personally don't care, I've worked on projects all by myself and I worked on other projects in team like I do now, and I can manage both.

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 10:08:41 AM »
In the past I did a great deal for my part-time job (which just ended recently).  At my full-time job it's very rare indeed.  There's only been one telecommute attempts before me and it went very poorly.  It involved an individual that just wasn't motivated.  Telecommuting kind of got a bad name from it even though it didn't make the difference.  When the individual was in the office it was obvious that work just wasn't getting done there either.  Trying to get telecommuting accepted as a normal thing here, but so far all I've been able to get is a snow storm day and some "on company property, but at a different site" type working.  I really like it, but would still want to be in the office at least a couple times a week.  I've done a couple short blog entries about my experiences so far too:

http://glmotorsports.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/thoughts-on-telecommuting/

http://glmotorsports.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/telecommuting-aar-after-action-report/

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 10:31:18 AM »
we're an IT shop. 99% telecommute. We don't actually even have an office anymore we just rent space in the back of a local computer store to keep the servers and have hardware delivered to.  On the occasion that we need face to face meeting we either borrow their board room or get together at a restaurant or someones house.    Normally those in person meetings happened every 4 or 5 months but the owner of the company has recently become more involved and is old school so I've been having weekly face to face meetings.  What a waste of time. 

We all have headsets and softphones for voice communication  as well we're all on skype pretty much 24/7.   I find skype messaging way better then even voice  because I just keep it logged and don't need to worry about notes or catching everything

If I want group input on something I start a group chat on skype.  Works great.

I will point out that my wage isn't any higher due to telecommuting.  It's actually a bit lower then I could probably make.  The trade off and flexibility is worth it though.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 10:45:54 AM »
I work from home whenever I am not on a client site (I'm in sales).  I could never go back to an office.  I get way more done (no coworkers distracting you) and I like my freedom (I can get a load of laundry in if I like).  I also benefit from higher wages (while I live in Wisconsin, my company is located in the Bay Area).

However, I'm also an introvert and am quite happy by myself and could never imagine going into an office again.  I know some people have a hard time with it and feel lonely.


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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 11:55:15 AM »
I currently work from home 1 day a week. My boss wasn't really sold on the idea but I made the proposal and said we would do it on a trial basis. If I need to come in on a certain week I would and if it wasn't working I would stop. It worked out so well he does it 1 day a week now too along with 2 other coworkers. I still don't think it is ideal the way we do it but it is nice.

Pluses are potential fewer distractions (some people have more at home than at work), no having to get to work, shower, even get dressed.

Minuses are lack of interaction, potential missing information that is only communicated word of mouth, lack of tools depending on the job.

For me it allows be to be more efficient with my time. I get the same amount done in less time. I usually do things like throw in a load of laundry, start a slow cook dinner, etc while working.

Ultimately I would say telecommuting is just different and if you try to do everything the same as in person it won't work. With the right people and the right organization it can do wonders for morale, efficiency and even costs. With the wrong people or place it will fail miserably and cause more issues than it solves.

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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2013, 12:04:36 PM »
I also work solely from home. 

I love it -I have always tried to finagle telecommuting at previous jobs.  I feel like coming into the office can be a waste of time - you have to  shower (overrated :) ), pick out an outfit, fix your hair, prepare your lunch in advance.

I am also an introvert so that really helps. If I was not it would probaby be trickier. My husband works at home as well which makes it better so I can blab with someone.  I also tend to have netflix on so I don't get excessively bored.

The work I perform is primarily as an individual contributer - would be hard if it was something I required lots of input from other folks but I use livemeeting alot (like go to meeting) and ping my coworkers when necessary.

I don't think I could ever take another non-telecommute job - I have become spoiled.

I do need some face punches as I need to start going for a walk at lunch - severly Vitamin D deficient. 

I also find sometimes I work more at home which can be bad but I am learning some new things which is a driving force in the extra hours.

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2013, 12:48:27 PM »
Thanks for all the replies so far it's convincing me to seriously look into it and if I don't like it after some time I can still go back to a normal office job quite easily.

So.... anyone hiring? ;)

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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2013, 01:30:38 PM »
  I feel like coming into the office can be a waste of time - you have to  shower (overrated :) ), pick out an outfit, fix your hair, prepare your lunch in advance.


Ha!  I could have written this entire post, but especially the bit about showering...I like having a good 4-day chunk when I don't have to shower if I don't want to.

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2013, 05:04:27 PM »
I'm on an hourly rate, although I will admit to some timewasting / recharging on the company dime (just like in the office, only less of it).

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2013, 05:21:09 PM »
What is your pay arrangement like?

Salaried.

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2013, 05:24:59 PM »
I am hourly but don't have a minimum or maximum amount of hours. I just tell them how much I worked. However, my job is task based and all tasks are tracked/trackable/recorded. So as long as I'm doing the expected amount of tasks in the time that I report working my company doesn't care. (I always work faster than the department average anyhow). It would be harder if my work was more free form. Though my company has salaried managers who will work at home some of the time and work varied hours and they seemed to be trusted as well. I'm really lucky where I work that they actually trust us to do our jobs without direct supervision and reward good performance with perks like flexibility and money.

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2013, 09:17:30 AM »
So.... anyone hiring? ;)

Seconded, how does one get into this?

I've never done an earnest search for work-from-home jobs, but what little skimming I've done suggests they are few and far between.  Or, as many of you have suggested, you have to first establish the trust relationship by doing good work on-site for some time.  I'm in IT, BTW.

I think the salaried versus hourly question is interesting.  At my current and previous jobs, both salaried, there is/was an expectation of how many hours I'm supposed to be in the office.  But in both cases, the amount of work naturally ebbs and flows.  So an optimal arrangement would have me probably working roughly the same hours on average, but day-to-day would (or more like week-to-week) would vary greatly.  But instead---and I would assume this is the same for most office workers---when the load is light, we piddle and look busy.  And when the load is high, we work really hard (sometimes hastefully) to avoid staying late.

Reminds me of when I did a bit of reading about "ROWE": the Results-Oriented Work Environment.  It's where the manager or client basically says, "This project is work X dollars to me, so I will pay you (employee/contractor) that when it's done."  It takes time out of the equation and is an incentive for the worker to deliver as efficiently as possible.  Seems like working from home would naturally fit this paradigm.

I don't know how realistic this is, but I have a vision of what I think would be a near-perfect situation for me.  That is, a job that is mostly work-from home, and fairly technical development.  Something that is loosely structured enough that I can basically get an assignment, and check back in after some time (say a week or two) with a finished product, or at least a completed milestone.  Within that time, I could use my time more optimally, i.e. better match times when I'm in "the zone" to when I'm actually working (rather than trying to force output when I'd rather take a walk or do some domestic chores or play guitar or whatever).  And as a programmer, I find that a substantial amount of inspiration or "ah-ha" moments come when I'm doing some menial task, like showering or laundry.

My in-laws have a vacation home on a lake in a neighboring state---free vacations for us (minus gas and food).  All we do when we're there is bum around, relax, take in the scenery.  I currently have to use vacation time to go there, so it's maybe only a week at a time.  But with a work setup like I described, we could go up there for like a month or two at a time, and I could still work.

If the work itself was reasonably interesting, I'd consider such an arrangement a "hobby job", i.e. something I really don't need to retire from.  I'd be happy if it made just enough to cover the bills, and let my portfolio reinvest/grow naturally.

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2013, 09:40:09 AM »
Yeah, if you want the security of a salary while remote you need to provide the company the security of them knowing you're a good worker.

I've never tried it, but I know people who use e-lance etc to produce the kind of "job" you describe.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2013, 11:59:02 AM »
I'm salaried.  Part of the way to get into a telecommuting arrangement is to look specifically for companies that have a culture of telecommuting.  Larger, national corporations have offices spread out over the country and many meetings are by teleconference anyway, even if you happen to be the office.  I think this makes them a little more likely to favor telecommuting.  Another way to identify likely prospects is to look at company reviews on glassdoor.com or ask around when you meet people who work for those companies.  For instance, take the insurance industry: Traveler's discourages telecommuting, whereas Aetna has a huge portion of their workforce telecommuting. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2013, 10:22:12 PM »
I am a salaried software developer and have telecommuted 100% since day one at my current organization.  At a previous job (salaried), I had worked in the office for several years, and when I had to move they let me telecommute in lieu of me leaving the company.  That was only because I had a good relationship with that employer.  In between my current and previous telecommuting jobs, I had a job for a couple of years in an office with no option of telecommuting at all. 

Personally, I prefer working from home.  It offers a lot more flexibility and saves both time and money.  My wife is now a stay-at-home mom, and we've got three little kids.  When I feel like interacting, I go downstairs and wrestle with the kids for a bit and then go back to work.  I do sometimes miss the office interactions, but not enough to seek out another job in the office.  It would take a significant raise, and since I'm not interested in management, I doubt it will happen.

The biggest negative to telecommuting for me is that I feel like if I do not respond to an e-mail immediately or answer every call, people will think I'm goofing off.  I can't seem to shake that feeling even though I've been telecommuting for a couple years at my current job and a few years at my previous job.  When I was in the office, I didn't give it a second thought.

I'm just guessing here, but I am not necessarily sure that a telecommuting job would get you higher salary than what you would get in your current region if you plan on staying where you live.  I think a lot of large companies would be aware of the pay range in your area and set your salary accordingly.  You would probably have to live and work in San Francisco (or similar region) and then move to your region with the same job as a telecommuter to get that same level of pay.

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2013, 11:21:13 AM »
I’m a government worker, and I can telecommute. I could probably get 3 days of telecommuting a week if I tried, but I’m sticking to 1 and using it intermittently. I base my telecommuting off my workload and what I need to do that week. If I have a lot of paperwork that I’d have to carry home and back again, I see no reason to drag it all around (especially since I use the bus to get home). If I have 8 hours of projects that excite me and would be just as easy at home as at work, I go ahead and telecommute.

The details: I have a specific day of the week I can telecommute (prearranged so that someone from my work area is always in the office in case of emergencies). I’m salaried, but I can only clock 8 hours of work on a telecommute day. My office is about 20 min of walking and 20 min of bus riding (or just 20 min of driving).

I do miss the interaction when I work at home, and I’m new enough that I miss the ability to stop by someone’s office and ask questions.

 

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