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Any Military Mustachians?
« on: March 15, 2014, 01:42:12 PM »
Hello all!

I started the mustachian journey a short two months ago, and while not all of the bill reduction things have gone into effect fully, we are already saving around $1,000 more than before on around 3k per month in income. Thanks for the help everybody, but I will be joining the military soon, and I was wondering if there are any mustachians like me doing it in the service. I was curious about how your experiences with it are, what techniques you use to maximize benefits, reduce costs, etc. Thank you all in advance!

Sincerely,
Face-punched

Edit: I will be in the Navy Nuclear program, and am already married to give a bit more information.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 01:21:19 PM by face-punched »

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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 09:53:48 PM »
We didn't find MMM until last year, but Hubby has been in the Marine Corps for 30 years.  He's back on Reserve status these days after 10 years of active duty service.

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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 05:00:02 AM »
Almost 24 year Navy man here.  Commissary if you live close enough is a good deal on groceries.  Exchanges, not so much.

As others have said, TSP is the bomb, max it out and contribute your pay raises to it any time you get an annual raise just put it toward TSP and you won't even miss it.  Go Roth TSP for the most options for ER down the road. 

Live on base as long as you can stand it.  You can't beat the savings.  If you marry, base housing can be an even better deal.

Go read Nord's book and website http://the-military-guide.com/ and bring your questions! 

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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 06:25:05 AM »
I was in the military 21 years.   I spent 10.5 of my 21 years outside the US and have been to about 30 countries.  I've hiked the Alps, swam in the Med, skied in the Rockies, gone to Oktoberfest, almost got killed in Iraq, etc, etc, etc.  And I retired with about $1.2M.  Focus on your job, your investments, and having fun with where you are stationed and the money you have left over, and you will have a a great time. 
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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 08:56:05 AM »
I'm bearing down on my 20 in the Air Force.

Keep a keen eye on the proposed changes to the retirement system.  They've been talking about it for years, although I'm not sure if there's the political will to actually do anything about it.

If you start your career with an eye towards saving as much as possibly you can accumulate a fair sum of money.  Unfortunately at the beginning of my career there was nobody there to educate me on the powers of compound interest.  But if you don't get a million bucks saved up, if you get a house paid off that pension is a powerful tool.

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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 02:49:57 PM »
Thanks for the help everybody, but I will be joining the military soon, and I was wondering if there are any mustachians like me doing it in the service. I was curious about how your experiences with it are, what techniques you use to maximize benefits, reduce costs, etc. Thank you all in advance!
Quite a few of us-- at least a dozen, and probably a few dozen more lurkers.

The military will teach you where the line exists between frugality & deprivation.  You may decide that you can be more frugal than you currently realize.

Go figure out your pay here:
http://www.dfas.mil/dms/dfas/militarymembers/pdf/MilPayTable2014.pdf
and ask us your questions.  Your spouse is the one who'll really have to understand what's coming in and how much can be spent, and it's quite possible that your spouse will end up managing most of the money while you're seeing the world.  Your first few months in uniform are a terrible time to figure out your pay and insurance.

Keep tracking your spending and try to figure out a budget.  You may not be able to maximize your contributions to the Roth TSP (yet), but put in as much as you can and keep investing aggressively in the TSP's C, S, & I funds. 
http://the-military-guide.com/2010/12/27/where-to-put-your-savings-in-the-militar/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/03/19/is-the-roth-thrift-savings-plan-right-for-you/
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/08/01/ask-your-dad-if-you-should-contribute-to-the-roth-tsp/

Whether or not you already have a college degree, the military will encourage you to get (another) one.  You don't need to care about the GI Bill right at this very moment, but be aware that it's a good deal.

When (not "if") you deploy to a combat zone, you can contribute more money to special programs.  For now, just be aware that you can put a lot of money away on deployment and make huge strides toward FI.  Or you can spend that same money to enjoy epic liberty and have fantastic memories-- while you're working for the rest of your life.

Take your military service one obligation at a time.  When the fun stops, that's a signal to leave active duty for the Reserves/National Guard.  Your spouse probably has a 51% vote on helping you decide when the fun stops.

You will learn technical & leadership skills.  You'll also acquire a huge portfolio of squishier skills in motivation, discipline, perseverance, staying calm under pressure, taking charge in emergencies, crisis management, risk management, and telling sea stories.  Surprisingly, civilian employers seem to feel that these skills are in short supply and they'll pay good money for them.  Do not let yourself fall prey to the "military inferiority complex" of thinking that you have to stay in uniform and tough it out to 20. 

This next bit of advice will seem pretty stupid, but I've seen it happen to a lot of servicemembers:  don't smoke.  (If you're smoking now, then quit today before a recruit instructor decides to "help" you quit.)  If you must acquire a nicotine habit, then get Nicorette chewing gum or a patch.  It's not cheap, but it's a lot cheaper than tobacco or e-cigarettes.  Coffee and "energy drinks", of course, are still widely accepted.

As for being in great physical condition before you start recruit training:  you don't have to worry about that.  I'm sure that the recruit instructors will take an intense personal interest in helping you and your new shipmates reach peak performance... 

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Re: Any Military Mustachians?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 03:31:56 PM »
Lots of good info here...hit all the good points! I'll hit 22 yrs in July and the biggest mistake I see is not having an exit plan. The Military is not for everyone and if/when you decide to go you need to be prepared. Save money, get education and plan, plan, plan. Don't go in half-ass. Learn it...Know it...live it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2NaHBVVYzY

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 08:48:49 AM »
Career Navy, 18 years this summer.  Great advice above!  We are standing by to assist...can maybe help with what field you are interested in too.  :)

Take advantage of advice before you sign up - there are many programs/jobs that recruiters may not mention that are pretty awesome.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 09:18:25 AM »
Good luck on your journey.  Some love it, some hate it.  If you are reading these boards, then you are leagues above a lot of the people going into the service.  Avoid the pitfalls of buying a car at 19% interest from the car dealership right off base, avoid the "need" to buy the latest gadget, invest early, make sure you find a spouse who is able to handle the lifestyle (to avoid the pitfall of divorce)  Most of these seem like common sense, but you'd be surprised how many guys are in debt up to their ears and don't know why.  If you want to make a career out of it, pick a job that you would have the most fun and enjoy doing.  And if you aren't sure what you want to do within the military, pick a rate/MOS that you could easily translate to a civilian job.  Intel, IT etc. are jobs that translate.  No offense to the11B's we have on here, but those skills are harder (but not impossible) to translate to the civilian sector.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2014, 09:34:26 AM »
Active duty Army, five years down.  Stationed in the NOVA area.  Best/worst thing that ever happened to me were two deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Two years gone, but two years of great investing and saving.  Some awesome resources here, and a great community.  Best of luck on your MMM journey!

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2014, 10:15:55 AM »
Active and reserve over 10 years but getting ready to resign.

The military makes it very easy to be a mustachian,  just don't do what Joe and Jane do re: new corvette with deployment savings,  2 monster energy drinks every day,  etc.

Also one last piece and others will disagree  but whatever.   If the military starts putting too much pressure on your marriage just go into the IRR or get out.  I've met a lot of wealthy people who never have to work again but don't have anyone in their lives to share it with.   I've met even more with multi million dollar retirements and similar alimony payments.

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2014, 09:03:20 AM »
This is a kinda late to the party, but I will offer this: You're getting a salaried, guaranteed income for the length of your stay in the military.  Many young soldiers I've come across (15 years in and counting) treat it as a reliable party fund rather than the rare chance at future success that it is.  You will be well off if you can immediately budget yourself and resist the urges of your fellow service members to spend that money just because there will be more next month.  The fact that you're on this website is a good sign that you've got your head in the right place.  Depending on what branch of service and duty station you end up at you could be very busy and your enlistment could be over faster than you realize.  I've seen too many soldiers finish their term and have almost nothing to show for it except a TV that barely fits in their barracks room and a shiny car that owns them and not the other way around despite a highly predictable and reliable income stream for 4-6 years.  I ask them where their money went and they had no idea (car, cell phone, fast food, alcohol were the usual culprits).  If you see a fellow junior enlisted trooper driving a $30k or more vehicle, remember he probably bought it with tax-free deployment money that could have been invested at an unbeatable rate of return, is paying 18% on the loan, and he'll be paying on it for longer than his first term of service.  One of my high school friends enlisted for 8 years, spent almost all of it in Germany, and still figured out how to bank almost every penny so that he could finish a trade school after getting out with a minimal income stream until a better job was available.  I was jealous at the fun he managed to have and not spend anything on it.

I agree with everyone else's recommendations: commissary, USAA insurance, affordable (no loans!) transportation, and plenty of inexpensive or free forms of entertainment.  Stay away from any business that advertises something like "we'll help/finance everyone E-1 and above."  They know your pay scale, your commander's phone number, and possibly your deployment schedule.  They're experts at ripping off troops.  If you have any investing, loan, or other contract-type concerns your finance and legal office will look at your paperwork for free before you sign anything.

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 07:04:34 PM »
21 Years in the Army here. The Roth TSP is great and the #1 thing I recommend to new soldiers. Be very cautious about buying a house. During the latest economic down turn I saw a number of fellow service members declare bankruptcy and foreclose. This usually happened when they were forced to move and were trapped in their non-mustachian mortgages. Be sure to buy well within your means if you do buy. Nords and others have given me and others a lot of solid advice. MMM is a great resource that should serve you well throughout your career.  Welcome aboard.

 

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