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Title: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on September 30, 2017, 02:15:51 AM
I buy fresh flowers because they seem to make me keep my house cleaner.
I have a cat because snuggles.
I heat my house however I want it at the time, because I'm not interested in being cold. I've had times where I've HAD to be cold, and now I can afford to be warm, I will be.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: davisgang90 on September 30, 2017, 02:29:36 AM
I spend serious cash on my photography hobby.  Might be a paid gig some day.  I really enjoy it and plan to do a lot more in retirement.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: SnackDog on September 30, 2017, 03:18:08 AM
We Light up the hot water heater for special occasions.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Monkey Uncle on September 30, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
We spend too much money on good food (at home; restaurants are a rare treat).  The cheap starch diet is not for us.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: simmias on September 30, 2017, 04:52:59 AM
We Light up the hot water heater for special occasions.
Heating up water that is already hot is truly anti-mustachian.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: h82goslw on September 30, 2017, 04:57:34 AM
We spend too much money on good food (at home; restaurants are a rare treat).  The cheap starch diet is not for us.
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This.
 Was in Vegas not long ago and had an incredible dinner at SW at the Wynn.  It was an ABSURD amount of money and worth every penny.  Now that I'm back home we're back to reality and saving money. 
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: KarefulKactus15 on September 30, 2017, 05:36:57 AM
Video games.   Most of my immediate family plays so it ends up being a real fun time with a VoIP chat system going.

I know I should be exercising or practically anything else instead....

But the fun per hour is very high for me.


Now you guys know my dirty secret!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: surfhb on September 30, 2017, 08:44:39 AM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: rebel_quietude on September 30, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
+1 on the cat snuggles, absolutely.
+1 on the flowers - $4.99 for a small bunch and it brightens up the whole kitchen

Food. Specifically, home-delivered pre-portioned grocery subscription and a fair bit of eating out, at actual restaurants with friends. Nothing makes you feel well-off like someone else waiting on you, as you enjoy time out with awesome people.

 It may not be mustachian, but I quickly discovered the alternatives are not cooking at all, and loneliness.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Free Spirit on September 30, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
Food that doesn't kill my stomach.  I'm celiac and you bet your ass I'll spend $5 on that loaf of gluten free bread.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Step37 on September 30, 2017, 11:47:18 AM
Paying someone to clean my house. Could I do it myself? Of course. Would I? Certainly not often enough, and definitely not with a joyful attitude!

I did, however, make a compromise to every two weeks (instead of weekly) nearly two years ago, and that has been perfectly fine.

ETA:
Also, a relatively pricey gym membership ($155/mo for unlimited classes). I suck at doing the regular gym thing. This is like having a personal trainer, and IMO much more enjoyable (also WAY cheaper than a personal trainer). Classes are from a few people up to 24, you sign up for a time (keeps me committed!), it’s a combo of cardio and strength, and it’s different every time. Great workout and no thinking required. Works for me and very well worth it.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: EmFrugal on September 30, 2017, 11:53:20 AM
My gym membership. I LOVE to exercise. I love exercising away from my house. If I exercised at home I would hate it so much and never do it. I have tried. I love getting to my gym and seeing other people. I love watching the personal trainers and learning new things. I love the group fitness classes. The gym is a happy place for me and so worth it for my physical and mental well-being. Perhaps if I worked full-time outside of the home I could enjoy working out at home, but since I am at home during the day with my young kids, I adore that time outside of my house to be by myself and take care of my mind and body.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: TartanTallulah on September 30, 2017, 01:22:42 PM
We are a many-bicycle household and the bicycles aren't Mustachian beatarounds. They're also not our primary mode of transport, they are 100% playthings. Furthermore, tinkering with the bicycles is one of my husband's favourite recreations, and he's a "right tools for the job" sort of person. I can't believe how many gadgets and unguents he has for our bikes. I don't interfere. We're not big spenders elsewhere ...

um

... except that we love taking our bikes on vacation so that we can ride in warm sunny places during the miserable British winter.

Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Hula Hoop on September 30, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
Pilates classes - I love pilates, love the teacher and love the other people in my class.  I do it during lunch twice a week and it makes the workday bearable.

Eating out/socializing- we do this 2-3 times a month and love it.  We pack lunch and bring snacks for the kids but a few times a month we eat out at relatively cheap restaurants with friends and it's great.

International travel to see my aging parents.  This is a huge priority for me.  I want my kids to know their grandparents.

Various classes for the kids.  I want my kids to be able to explore their passions outside of school.  Nothing crazy but they each do a few thing like scouts, coding, music.  If they don't like something we drop it no issues and try something else.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Off the Wheel on September 30, 2017, 02:24:11 PM
Membership to a boutique fitness studio that I LOVE, but costs me $125/month. I justify it since I go at lunch 3-4x a week, and on those days (at least) pack a lunch.

Getting the house cleaned every 2 weeks. It's worth every penny.

Good ingredients.

A fair amount of travel.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Bucksandreds on September 30, 2017, 02:49:19 PM
Lawnmower service
SUV - like sitting higher and like my space when driving
2800 square foot house in high end neighborhood - not huge by American standards but is by mustachean standards
Frequent vacations- love traveling
Organic non carb loading foods

I guess I'm not mustachean. I do save 50-60% of post tax income, however.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Laura33 on September 30, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
My car.  No possible justification for it, but it makes me happy every single time I drive it -- doesn't matter if it's 40 or 100 out, I will have the top down and a huge grin on my face.  I figure something that makes rush hour tolerable is worth its weight in gold.

Cleaners every other week.  You will pry them out of my cold dead hands.

I get a pedicure 2-3x/yr.  I get to sit in a seated massage chair for 1-1.5 hrs, soak my feet, get a foot massage and get all the callouses and dry skin and all taken care of, and walk out at the end of it with pretty toes.  All for $45, which includes a $10 tip.  Worth every penny.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tris Prior on September 30, 2017, 04:32:18 PM
+1 on the kitty snuggles.

I wear makeup and dye my hair weird colors. It's fun and makes me happy.

Occasional concerts and live theater, and general supporting of the arts and artists.

Wine.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on September 30, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
These are all awesome posts. Love hearing about the things that aren't always that cheap, but that make mustachianism worth it on a daily basis. We all know it's soooo worth it long term.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: RedmondStash on September 30, 2017, 04:53:52 PM
+1 on cat, and also dog, for snuggles, laughter, and connection
+1 on food: for me, often prepackaged, frozen, or deli meals, so not quite restaurant expense but not ingredients that I assemble myself
+1 on keeping the house warm
+1 on video games. Bang for the buck, they're much cheaper than movies on a per-hour basis. (But I also work in the games industry, so it's partly a business expense to keep up to date.)

Also:
Netflix and Amazon Prime, and a nice TV.
Electric blanket, because screw getting chilled at night in the wintertime.
Comic books. Because the good ones are wonderful (Saga FTW!), and sitting with spouse on the couch on the weekends reading together brings us both joy.
High-quality bed, because of tricky back issues.

Someday, spouse & I may invest in a housecleaner. That is the one non-mustachian thing I want but haven't yet set in motion. I haven't yet been able to justify the expense to myself. Also I'm not crazy about having strangers in my space. But maybe someday.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: BTDretire on September 30, 2017, 04:56:09 PM
We Light up the hot water heater for special occasions.

 Like for a shower?
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: alexpkeaton on September 30, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
I usually go to Starbucks and Saturday and Sunday. My apartment is 375 square feet, and getting a coffee maker would cost valuable counter space. And anyway, I like getting out of the apartment on the weekends for a bit. I get a regular black or iced coffee, then get the free refill to bring home to my wife. I'm a sucker for Starbucks' rewards program even though there are plenty of better coffee shops around.

Though my new job has a cold brew keg on tap, so I may just abuse the privilege and bring some of that home. There's also a beer tap. :D

We also occasionally go out to high end restaurants, but not so much since we had our son.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: SimpleSpartan on September 30, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
Lawnmower service
SUV - like sitting higher and like my space when driving
2800 square foot house in high end neighborhood - not huge by American standards but is by mustachean standards
Frequent vacations- love traveling
Organic non carb loading foods

I guess I'm not mustachean. I do save 50-60% of post tax income, however.

2800 sq ft is most certainly large by american standards, average home is aproximately 2200 sq ft.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: terran on September 30, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
I usually go to Starbucks and Saturday and Sunday. My apartment is 375 square feet, and getting a coffee maker would cost valuable counter space. And anyway, I like getting out of the apartment on the weekends for a bit. I get a regular black or iced coffee, then get the free refill to bring home to my wife. I'm a sucker for Starbucks' rewards program even though there are plenty of better coffee shops around.

Though my new job has a cold brew keg on tap, so I may just abuse the privilege and bring some of that home. There's also a beer tap. :D

We also occasionally go out to high end restaurants, but not so much since we had our son.

You live in 375 sq ft with a wife and son? That's badass. I'd love to see a picture of what an apartment that size looks like.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: dividendman on September 30, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
I think this thread answers the question in the thread below with a resounding "Yes"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft)

Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 01, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
I think this thread answers the question in the thread below with a resounding "Yes"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft)

Militant adherence to principles is great. It's worthy and good. But human beings rarely operate that way long term. Small expenditures that give people pleasure actually keep them on track long term. The mustachian trick is to do things that actually DO give pleasure, and not just purchases that have bought into the bullshit spendy society we live in. IMO. If you think that's going soft, then I guess you have every opportunity to do things differently, huh?

Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: runbikerun on October 01, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
Every year I set aside 1.5k for my share of our annual one-to-two-week holiday, and make very little effort if any to restrain spending while away. The money covers travel and accommodation, though.

Even on that, though, I'm not sure things will remain that way. We spent three days in an AirBnB in Vienna this summer, and I ended up popping out to the shop on the first morning to buy pastries and Nespresso capsules because I had no intention of paying a tenner for a breakfast we could do ourselves for a quarter of the price. I ended up coming home with money left over.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Monkey Uncle on October 01, 2017, 04:26:50 AM
I think this thread answers the question in the thread below with a resounding "Yes"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft)

I think there is room within Mustachianism for one or two minor splurges that help keep you happy.  As long as you're not going whole-hog on multiple fronts.  For example, DW and I spend more than most Mustachians on food (although probably still less than most middle-class Americans), and I don't even want to tell you how much we spend feeding the birds that make our home-bound existence worthwhile.  But we eschew expensive cars, expensive entertainment, restaurants, big cable TV packages, I phones, new clothes, etc., etc.  Most "normal" people stand with their mouths agape when they find out how frugal we are.  We are saving a huge chunk of our income, have reached FI, and I'm planning to FIRE in January.  Works for us.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Jtrey17 on October 01, 2017, 06:07:04 AM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now

That is kick-ass!! A Subaru?
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: alexpkeaton on October 01, 2017, 07:09:07 AM
You live in 375 sq ft with a wife and son? That's badass. I'd love to see a picture of what an apartment that size looks like.

We bought it before we knew we were having a kid. :) We're hoping to keep saving so we can eventually upgrade to a two bedroom before the kid gets too big (~5 year old). I mean, we could afford something bigger right now, but we'd rather not be house poor, so we're delaying the purchase as long as possible.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Askel on October 01, 2017, 08:04:07 AM
I think there is room within Mustachianism for one or two minor splurges that help keep you happy. 

This. It's all about happiness.  If lighting your cigars with hundred dollar bills is what makes you truly happy, and you can afford it, go for it! 

But if there's maybe a less expensive way to achieve the same or even greater happiness, consider that instead. 
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: RedmondStash on October 01, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
I think this thread answers the question in the thread below with a resounding "Yes"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft)

I think there is room within Mustachianism for one or two minor splurges that help keep you happy.  As long as you're not going whole-hog on multiple fronts.  For example, DW and I spend more than most Mustachians on food (although probably still less than most middle-class Americans), and I don't even want to tell you how much we spend feeding the birds that make our home-bound existence worthwhile.  But we eschew expensive cars, expensive entertainment, restaurants, big cable TV packages, I phones, new clothes, etc., etc.  Most "normal" people stand with their mouths agape when they find out how frugal we are.  We are saving a huge chunk of our income, have reached FI, and I'm planning to FIRE in January.  Works for us.

This.

The point is happiness, not frugality. Frugality is just one tool to help get you to happiness. If a few small splurges help you get there, and you're not derailing your goals, more power to you.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: horsepoor on October 01, 2017, 09:49:50 AM
My expensive hairdresser.  I have short, low-maintenance hair and she cuts it in a way that makes it look good with minimal effort.  I've been using her for years and she continues to do a good job, unlike other people I've gone to who seem to relax and start doing a crap job after the first several cuts.  It's not near the $$$ I've seen mentioned in the Overheard at Work thread, but it's not insignificant.

Horses - well, I won't even go in to that, since they're my main motivation for being Mustachian in other areas. :P
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 01, 2017, 09:52:55 AM
The point is happiness, not frugality. Frugality is just one tool to help get you to happiness. If a few small splurges help you get there, and you're not derailing your goals, more power to you.

Yes. Which means that, technically, none of the items folks have listed are anti-mustachian :)  As soon as it's "worth it" to the individual writing, it's Mustachian. i.e., Each poster has made a clear, conscious, affordable choice based on values and true personal joy, which is the actual cult teaching.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: facepalm on October 01, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
We Light up the hot water heater for special occasions.
Light up? You have it easy. I have to rub two sticks together to heat mine.

My habit would be my motorcycle, a late model Austrian (KTM). Paid for, and is actually cheaper to operate than the Camry--except for the service, which is around $800. It has been a great bike, and If I need to relax or blow out the cobwebs I head out for a ride. I'm only a few miles way from some of the best riding in the State, if not the Country. I'd like to dump the Camry for a cheap Prius so I can travel a bit more cheaply, but the math isn't right.

I also spend big bucks for a haircut, but it is with a friend who is trying to get her salon biz profitable. I look on it as helping a friend.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: EnjoyIt on October 01, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
Our list:
lawn service
roof/gutter cleaning (I am not risking myself falling off the roof from the second story)
pets
extended legroom seating on a plane
Occasionally eating out
Splurged on a good coffee grinder and espresso machine for the house
travel (though that seams ok in the FIRE community though it is splurging)
Home theater

Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: RedmondStash on October 01, 2017, 11:46:37 AM
The point is happiness, not frugality. Frugality is just one tool to help get you to happiness. If a few small splurges help you get there, and you're not derailing your goals, more power to you.

Yes. Which means that, technically, none of the items folks have listed are anti-mustachian :)  As soon as it's "worth it" to the individual writing, it's Mustachian. i.e., Each poster has made a clear, conscious, affordable choice based on values and true personal joy, which is the actual cult teaching.

Agreed. But I think on this forum, anything with hedonistic or materialistic overtones often ends up being judged as anti-mustachian, because some people view the ideal as a spare, Spartan lifestyle, as opposed to the lifestyle that makes that individual happiest in the long run.

There's something to be said for challenging yourself, examining your assumptions about what you can't live without, and redefining happiness as something that comes through service to the world instead of through toys and comforts. But I personally believe there's room for both. Balance in all things.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 01, 2017, 03:16:59 PM
Agreed. But I think on this forum, anything with hedonistic or materialistic overtones often ends up being judged as anti-mustachian, because some people view the ideal as a spare, Spartan lifestyle, as opposed to the lifestyle that makes that individual happiest in the long run.

Yes. And I think even more commonly, people confuse "Mustachianism" with "frugality." That's really a different school of thought altogether, and seems to create a lot of confusion on the boards, causing some to yell at others even over value-based, conscious, affordable choices.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Gondolin on October 02, 2017, 08:39:05 AM
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There's something to be said for challenging yourself, examining your assumptions about what you can't live without, and redefining happiness as something that comes through service to the world instead of through toys and comforts. But I personally believe there's room for both. Balance in all things.

As an alternative perspective, I'll say that personally threads like this are disheartening. Every time I buy something blatantly unnecessary, I curse myself for my weakness - either for being too weak to forgo some hedonistic pleasure or for caving to some implicit social pressure. Everyday I attempt to cull down on my desires and divorce my emotional state from physical objects. Often, I fail. But, I will never stop trying. I know I'll never fully succeed (and that's for the best) but, the reward is in the struggle.

I would never judge others for non-financially suicidal spending but, to me, the value of this site comes from others challenging my own desires. I don't need a whole forum to help me rationalize buying an overpriced bottle of whiskey because I'll "value" it, I can do that plenty well on my own! What I need is people to remind me that there's someone out there who is healthier and wealthier than me because they *didnt* buy that whiskey. Someone worth emulating, even if only in the abstract.

But that's just me.



Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: undercover on October 02, 2017, 09:05:08 AM
If it's worth it to you then how is it anti-Mustachian?
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 02, 2017, 09:08:36 AM
My anti-frugal worth-its:

*Oprah magazine
*paying authors for their work
*a hot and/or foamy drink made by anyone who's not me
*cut flowers
*one semester of circus school
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Laura33 on October 02, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
The point is happiness, not frugality. Frugality is just one tool to help get you to happiness. If a few small splurges help you get there, and you're not derailing your goals, more power to you.

Yes. Which means that, technically, none of the items folks have listed are anti-mustachian :)  As soon as it's "worth it" to the individual writing, it's Mustachian. i.e., Each poster has made a clear, conscious, affordable choice based on values and true personal joy, which is the actual cult teaching.

Yeah, I disagree to an extent.  There is no way on planet earth my car is Mustachian.  Period.  End of story. 

It's still worth it to me, though, and I'm going to keep it because my goal in life is not to be the most awesome Mustachian ever.  I want to avoid spending because I am lazy; I want to avoid spending for appearances or ego or to keep up with the Joneses; I want to avoid spending on stuff because modern advertising has convinced me that having something shiny/new is the way to happiness.  I want to think about and really evaluate everything I spend money on, to make sure it is the highest and best use for that money.  But I don't want to live MMM's life, because I am a different person than him, and I enjoy and value different things.  If I were him, I'd have bought the damn Tesla already instead of the Leaf.  Because I just fucking love cars. 

But, sorry, Mustachianism doesn't include "throwing away tens of thousands of dollars on a toy because it's fun."  That would be Laura-ism:  I'm willing to shop at Aldi's and cook at home precisely so I can have my awesome car.

Tl;dr:  Everything can't be relative, or the whole concept loses all meaning.  My car is anti-Mustachian, and I am ok with that.  Doesn't mean I don't want to work harder to be more Mustachian in other areas of my life.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Slow&Steady on October 02, 2017, 09:23:03 AM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now

My commute has ranged from 90-120 miles so that I can live in the middle of nowhere with nearly 0 neighbors and a beautiful night sky.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 02, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
There is no way on planet earth my car is Mustachian.

If we use the criteria I think you're using, this is also true of Mr MM's (Pete's) possessions and choices. MMM is unMustachian? Surely he gets to develop the criteria for his own term and cult?
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Dragonswan on October 02, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
I have several among which is a massage habit.  One to two a month.  The saving grace is that I get reimbursed from my FSA and I go to the no ambiance Asian place that is actually willing to put some effort into unknotting my back muscles and helping my blood circulation.  After that, I'll admit to having cable (and Netflix) because I'm not an outdoor person and the evenings are long and full of loneliness.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: honeybbq on October 02, 2017, 10:01:11 AM
My hobbies and races. Exercise and sports keeps me sane, keeps me healthy, keeps me happy. Worth every cent.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Laura33 on October 02, 2017, 10:02:35 AM
There is no way on planet earth my car is Mustachian.

If we use the criteria I think you're using, this is also true of Mr MM's (Pete's) possessions and choices. MMM is unMustachian? Surely he gets to develop the criteria for his own term and cult?

Not sure what criteria you think I'm using?  FWIW I don't mean cars in general -- I mean my particular car, which cost way too much money and is not environmentally friendly and is purely a toy.  I definitely need a car, but I don't need that car.  I just love it.

Pete, OTOH, is very anti-car and pro-environment.  He seems to be throwing more money around now, such as with the studio and new "HQ" building, but all of these are to some degree assets that appear to at least have a chance of appreciating. 
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: JanetJackson on October 02, 2017, 10:19:16 AM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now

How has this fared for you and how long have you been doing so?  I am very very middle income (about 30-45k) but am considering a very low cost rental that is out in the country on a beautiful farm... that is 70 miles from my day job :/ 
I drive a hybrid (~53mpg) and the rent there would be about $650/month.  I currently pay $500.

I swear though, when I went to look at it this past weekend my head felt clearer, my heartbeat slowed down, and I really felt at home.  I live in the city now and the crime is high, stress is high, etc.  but my job pays well.  I work 4 days/wk.
Sorry to ask so much- just wanting to pick your brain on this!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 02, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
Not sure what criteria you think I'm using?  FWIW I don't mean cars in general -- I mean my particular car, which cost way too much money and is not environmentally friendly and is purely a toy.  I definitely need a car, but I don't need that car.  I just love it.

Pete, OTOH, is very anti-car and pro-environment.  He seems to be throwing more money around now, such as with the studio and new "HQ" building, but all of these are to some degree assets that appear to at least have a chance of appreciating.

That criteria :)     

Pete owns and does lots of things that aren't necessary and aren't environmental, because those particular things are worth it to him. He aims to balance it buy owning and doing fewer such things than the average person does, but he weighs things and makes decisions based on ultimate value to him personally, even when they're not financially efficient or environmental. (This is precisely why I like him so much! He's balanced and conscientious, not rule-based, etc.)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: GuitarStv on October 02, 2017, 10:32:10 AM
We have a dog and a son.  Unequivocally, the dog earns it's keep . . . the boy . . . somewhat less so.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: ketchup on October 02, 2017, 10:52:26 AM
I think this thread answers the question in the thread below with a resounding "Yes"

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/weird-fourm-coversations-has-the-community-gone-soft)

I think there is room within Mustachianism for one or two minor splurges that help keep you happy.  As long as you're not going whole-hog on multiple fronts.  For example, DW and I spend more than most Mustachians on food (although probably still less than most middle-class Americans), and I don't even want to tell you how much we spend feeding the birds that make our home-bound existence worthwhile.  But we eschew expensive cars, expensive entertainment, restaurants, big cable TV packages, I phones, new clothes, etc., etc.  Most "normal" people stand with their mouths agape when they find out how frugal we are.  We are saving a huge chunk of our income, have reached FI, and I'm planning to FIRE in January.  Works for us.
This is definitely the case.  The three main "required" living expenses are housing, transportation, and food.  If you absolutely nail two of the three, and do pretty well on the third, many other "splurges" just turn out to be noise.  If you live in a house that costs $400/mo less to own and maintain and $200/mo less on a car to own and maintain than your buddy Mr. McSpendyButNormalSeeming, you still come out way way ahead even if you're splurging $100/mo on something objectively stupid.

But that doesn't make the objectively stupid thing non-stupid, it just makes it "not matter" as much financially.  The problems occur when that $100/mo is really eight different things that each cost $100/mo, or if that $100/mo doesn't include other gigantic expenses that accommodate that $100/mo interest/hobby/habit.

I'd say what truly makes something Anti-mustachian (there's that no true Scotsman fallacy again) is inefficiency coupled with a lack of badassity.

For example, we have dogs, which one could say is anti-mustachian.  But we don't spend a buttload on dog food, grooming, vet visits, etc.  My GF bathes/grooms the dogs herself, I roll my own raw dog food (including cutting up multiple free wild venison carcasses in addition to buying for cheap in bulk from meat suppliers; averages out to less than $1/lb these days for dog food), and we keep them healthy to mitigate vet visits the best we can (obviously, dumb shit still happens sometimes).  We don't pay for a dog walker or anything like that, and we didn't buy a hilariously expensive large vehicle "for the dogs." Everything we can is in-sourced.

Also, we eat fancier food than many (though probably fairly similar to MMM himself).  But it's all made at home from scratch every day, and we buy in bulk/optimize our sources/shop the sales.  I'd say we spend more than the median Mustachian couple on food, but still less than the median American couple.

Also also, our house is a third the cost of most of my co-workers, and our (single car for two people) car is about ten years older than the median in the parking lot at work.  Oh, and no kids or plans for kids, but I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Laura33 on October 02, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
But that doesn't make the objectively stupid thing non-stupid, it just makes it "not matter" as much financially. . . .

I'd say what truly makes something Anti-mustachian (there's that no true Scotsman fallacy again) is inefficiency coupled with a lack of badassity.

1.  ITA.  And to follow on, it's not that trying to be Mustachian means you can never be stupid; it means you work to keep your stupid under control and optimized.

2.  "Inefficiency coupled with a lack of badassity" -- I like that.  A lot. 
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: soccerluvof4 on October 02, 2017, 11:20:51 AM
cable, Tvs and Netflix. I'm a couch potato once i get my exercise and chores done
Gym membership. I walk mostly but in the winters I need a place to go and since I dont hang out with many people its good to have conversation once in awhile.
Select sports- As per my name on here we have 4 kids in soccer so we spend alot on travel etc but its the life we chose and make alot of vacations out of it and the first two so far have got college scholarships One 100% athletic to a top school in the country and another one progresses but is worth it. 2 to go but college or not we dont care its what they love.
That would be it. Everything else were pretty frugal on to afford those things.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: mm1970 on October 02, 2017, 11:24:00 AM
I pay to join gyms and running groups.  Because I hate to run alone.  If I pay for the group I will go.

And I pay for a gym so that I have access to a pool.  I like to swim laps and take the kids.  Water safety is important to me.

Oh and I pay for my little guy to take swim lessons too.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: surfhb on October 03, 2017, 07:08:45 PM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now

How has this fared for you and how long have you been doing so?  I am very very middle income (about 30-45k) but am considering a very low cost rental that is out in the country on a beautiful farm... that is 70 miles from my day job :/ 
I drive a hybrid (~53mpg) and the rent there would be about $650/month.  I currently pay $500.

I swear though, when I went to look at it this past weekend my head felt clearer, my heartbeat slowed down, and I really felt at home.  I live in the city now and the crime is high, stress is high, etc.  but my job pays well.  I work 4 days/wk.
Sorry to ask so much- just wanting to pick your brain on this!

Over 25 years now from Huntington Beach To Burbank (Ca).    I work in the film industry so to live near the ocean leaves me with one choice.   My Toyota pick up has almost 600K on it.     I'll replace it with a Prius if I had to though ;)   

The only reason I do this is because I enjoy surfing
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tass on October 03, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute

O_O In a pickup??

- I play a moderately expensive instrument (viola). $50 new strings every year, periodic maintenance.
- I like to see live orchestras. Generally get the cheap terrible seats.
- I spend $5/month taking fitness classes because it works better than trying to self-motivate.
- I'd like to one day invest more into making my house smell pretty, because I've noticed that's a guaranteed mood-lifter.

Was feeling pretty cocky about my habits until I remembered:

- I fly 1000 miles every two months to maintain a long-distance relationship. ...And he flies the other months.

Guess I'll keep my mouth shut about surfhb's commute. ;)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Slow&Steady on October 04, 2017, 07:52:58 AM
I drive 100 miles a day for my commute to be able to live near the ocean.   Worth every min and penny 🌈🏄🌺👍🏽

I make up for it in other ways:  I've been driving the same vehicle since college... I'm almost 50 now

How has this fared for you and how long have you been doing so?  I am very very middle income (about 30-45k) but am considering a very low cost rental that is out in the country on a beautiful farm... that is 70 miles from my day job :/ 
I drive a hybrid (~53mpg) and the rent there would be about $650/month.  I currently pay $500.

I swear though, when I went to look at it this past weekend my head felt clearer, my heartbeat slowed down, and I really felt at home.  I live in the city now and the crime is high, stress is high, etc.  but my job pays well.  I work 4 days/wk.
Sorry to ask so much- just wanting to pick your brain on this!

I also have driven and currently drive a long commute so that I can live in the country where I can usually feel stress melt away (excluding stress related to kids).  My current commute is 45 miles with no traffic, my previous commute was 65 miles with traffic.  All commuting has been with a Prius or a Leaf.  The with/without traffic is a huge difference.  I would highly suggest driving the route right after work for a couple days, specifically if you have a bad day at work because a bad day at work will really show you how you will feel about the commute a year or two from now.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: mathlete on October 04, 2017, 10:51:59 AM
Tons, probably.

But I'm not a celebrity blogger and thus, it makes little sense to model my life after that of a celebrity blogger.

I'm all for aggressively high savings rates, and (most importantly) taking stock of your life holistically and redefining what you do and do not value on a regular basis. I'm less big on getting hyper judgmental and one size fits all about purchasing decisions.

Keeping up with the Jones's is silly, but so is keeping down with them.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: elaine amj on October 04, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
Tons, probably.

But I'm not a celebrity blogger and thus, it makes little sense to model my life after that of a celebrity blogger.

I'm all for aggressively high savings rates, and (most importantly) taking stock of your life holistically and redefining what you do and do not value on a regular basis. I'm less big on getting hyper judgmental and one size fits all about purchasing decisions.

Keeping up with the Jones's is silly, but so is keeping down with them.

Haha - I like that. There's always a bit of pressure to "keep down with the Mustachians"! (although I must admit I quite like it and hang out here to get inspired)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: mathlete on October 04, 2017, 01:01:03 PM
Haha - I like that. There's always a bit of pressure to "keep down with the Mustachians"! (although I must admit I quite like it and hang out here to get inspired)

For sure. Habits tend to rub off. And most of the habits people have around here are good ones.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: MrThatsDifferent on October 04, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
We’re not giving up the housecleaner; we eat out/order in, whenever we want; and, I’m still too generous/giving with family and friends. We make a decent amount and I feel guilty if I’m too cheap/frugal. That said, I’ve still given up my massage habit/love and I truly miss that but something had to give.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Buck on October 04, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
Driving a large, loud, gas-guzzling 4x4 truck everyday which seems to result in many other anti-mustachian habits...

It comes in handy for the 4-mile commute to a white collar job, occasionally pulling a big boat, retrieving dead animals from muddy terrain, passing up slow drivers that are too busy selfie-texting on the way to work, transporting copious amounts of cheap and/or craft beer in a big Yeti ice chest (global warming requires a man to have an efficient, over-priced ice chest these days), bringing a Harley in to be serviced, hauling firewood or loads of corn, aiding people in flooded neighborhoods, supporting the oil industry (which ironically happens to build the greatest man-made reefs I have laid my eyes on while diving or fishing (oil rigs in the Gulf), and the list goes on.

*I applaud those that are able to suffice with a bicycle or small fuel-efficient car, but my hobbies and the things I enjoy in life would not be possible without a large truck. I attempt to reduce my environmental impact in other areas. (and also recycle beer cans, Amazon Prime boxes and used motor oil) 

Figured this would be a great way to introduce myself. Hi, I'm Buck.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: spookytaffy on October 04, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
I have several among which is a massage habit.  One to two a month.  The saving grace is that I get reimbursed from my FSA and I go to the no ambiance Asian place that is actually willing to put some effort into unknotting my back muscles and helping my blood circulation.  After that, I'll admit to having cable (and Netflix) because I'm not an outdoor person and the evenings are long and full of loneliness.

:-( 
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: justaguy on October 04, 2017, 02:39:39 PM
I have a season pass to an amusement park - it is my happy place. I’ve bought them for two of my sons as well – but I’m sure I’ll continue to buy it for myself even when they are tired of going.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: elaine amj on October 04, 2017, 03:01:58 PM
My Disney habit. There's just something about it. Especially since DH loves it too. We just got back from an extravagant 2 weeks at WDW and heasked me whether we could plan a trip back really soon. I got excited for a minute before I facepunched myself and dragged us back to reality. I'm not completely discounting a trip...but it is rather unlikely at this point. I just don't see how it will work out, even next year. That said, never say never...I'm VERY good at justifying yet another Disney trip!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 04, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Figured this would be a great way to introduce myself. Hi, I'm Buck.

Welcome, Buck :)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: alexpkeaton on October 04, 2017, 03:05:14 PM
extended legroom seating on a plane

That's a tough one for me. I never pay for it, even though I hate airplane seats. I just can't bring myself to pay $60-120 for a few hours of slightly less discomfort.

I have paid for an upgrade to business class once when it was $200 for a longish flight and offered a lot more than just leg room. (United's Polaris service, for those who care.) I'd probably do it again, but only because I can easily afford it and it does make flying a pleasant experience.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: rdaneel0 on October 04, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Does weed count? :)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Dragonswan on October 05, 2017, 07:00:01 AM
We’re not giving up the housecleaner; we eat out/order in, whenever we want; and, I’m still too generous/giving with family and friends. We make a decent amount and I feel guilty if I’m too cheap/frugal. That said, I’ve still given up my massage habit/love and I truly miss that but something had to give.

I will have a moment of silence for you the next time I'm on the table.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Dragonswan on October 05, 2017, 07:09:27 AM
I have several among which is a massage habit.  One to two a month.  The saving grace is that I get reimbursed from my FSA and I go to the no ambiance Asian place that is actually willing to put some effort into unknotting my back muscles and helping my blood circulation.  After that, I'll admit to having cable (and Netflix) because I'm not an outdoor person and the evenings are long and full of loneliness.

:-(
Thanks. I might be able to turn this around when I retire and have time and energy at the end of the day to do something about it.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: GuitarStv on October 05, 2017, 07:29:39 AM
Does weed count? :)

I'd argue that any powerful psychoactive drug that you can form a dependence on is really something to be quite careful about.  That includes pot, booze, coffee, etc.  Fine for occasional recreational use, but if it's coming up often enough to be a budget line item it's probably best to re-examine your dependency.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: mathlete on October 05, 2017, 08:34:40 AM
My Disney habit. There's just something about it. Especially since DH loves it too. We just got back from an extravagant 2 weeks at WDW and heasked me whether we could plan a trip back really soon. I got excited for a minute before I facepunched myself and dragged us back to reality. I'm not completely discounting a trip...but it is rather unlikely at this point. I just don't see how it will work out, even next year. That said, never say never...I'm VERY good at justifying yet another Disney trip!

The Disney parks are an incredible cross-section of artistry, music, design, nature, capitalism, egalitarianism, game theory, and civil, chemical, and electrical engineering.

There are like, a million different levels upon which you can appreciate the parks that go well beyond the thrill of a thrill ride, or getting Mickey's autograph. Not everyone sees that. Which is fine. It is ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: StarBright on October 05, 2017, 08:37:46 AM
My Disney habit. There's just something about it. Especially since DH loves it too. We just got back from an extravagant 2 weeks at WDW and heasked me whether we could plan a trip back really soon. I got excited for a minute before I facepunched myself and dragged us back to reality. I'm not completely discounting a trip...but it is rather unlikely at this point. I just don't see how it will work out, even next year. That said, never say never...I'm VERY good at justifying yet another Disney trip!

The Disney parks are an incredible cross-section of artistry, music, design, nature, capitalism, egalitarianism, game theory, and civil, chemical, and electrical engineering.

There are like, a million different levels upon which you can appreciate the parks that go well beyond the thrill of a thrill ride, or getting Mickey's autograph. Not everyone sees that. Which is fine. It is ridiculously expensive.

Count me in on the Anti-Mustachian Disney habit for many of the reasons mathlete listed (and they also have amazing customer service!). We love it and are super lucky that my parents are DVC members so we stay on property for a significantly reduced rate.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 05, 2017, 08:38:09 AM
Does weed count? :)

Only if MMM is anti-Mustachian :)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: FallenTimber on October 05, 2017, 10:18:35 AM
My most un-mustachian habits:

Driving a truck (hay, lumber, towing, etc)
Running a tractor (haven't grown out of my playing in the dirt phase)
Owning horses (eat money and shit work)
Name-brand tools (Dewalt, Makita, etc)
Organic / local food
Taste of the Wild dog food
Splurging on date nights with my wife
Quality cowboy boots
And probably the most un-mustachian of all, owning a ranch for all of our animals to live a happy life on.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: PoutineLover on October 05, 2017, 10:25:47 AM
Does weed count? :)

I'd argue that any powerful psychoactive drug that you can form a dependence on is really something to be quite careful about.  That includes pot, booze, coffee, etc.  Fine for occasional recreational use, but if it's coming up often enough to be a budget line item it's probably best to re-examine your dependency.
What's your cutoff for budget line item though? I think spending $40/month on weed, $80/month on alcohol and $20/month on coffee** is not necessarily dependency level, but still worth tracking. Not disagreeing that it's good to be careful about substances though, but just because one spends money on it doesn't mean one has a problem.
**not necessarily my numbers, just putting that out there as a somewhat mid-range example of casual consumption of those substances
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: GuitarStv on October 05, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Does weed count? :)

I'd argue that any powerful psychoactive drug that you can form a dependence on is really something to be quite careful about.  That includes pot, booze, coffee, etc.  Fine for occasional recreational use, but if it's coming up often enough to be a budget line item it's probably best to re-examine your dependency.
What's your cutoff for budget line item though? I think spending $40/month on weed, $80/month on alcohol and $20/month on coffee** is not necessarily dependency level, but still worth tracking. Not disagreeing that it's good to be careful about substances though, but just because one spends money on it doesn't mean one has a problem.
**not necessarily my numbers, just putting that out there as a somewhat mid-range example of casual consumption of those substances

Line item in budget is perhaps the wrong term to use.  If I had a crack dealer buddy who gave me free samples it wouldn't be a line item, but probably be considered a problem.


I figure if you feel the need to take a drug more than once a week it's worth examining your dependence.  At the moment I'll have two or sometimes three espressos a week, a beer every couple months . . . so not quite teetotal, but not far off.  :P

My grandfather was a raging alcoholic and it seriously impacted my mom.  It's something I ponder when thinking about consuming chemicals.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 05, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
We’re not giving up the housecleaner; we eat out/order in, whenever we want; and, I’m still too generous/giving with family and friends. We make a decent amount and I feel guilty if I’m too cheap/frugal. That said, I’ve still given up my massage habit/love and I truly miss that but something had to give.

I would have a problem with the housecleaner and the food ordering/eating out. Do you do those things because they bring you active enjoyment, or simply because you're too lazy to change things? For example, eating out at a nice restaurant that you've been looking forward to trying, maybe for an event and as a treat, is a pleasure that you will look forward to, enjoy at the time, and remember as a fun thing you did. Grabbing takeout because you're too lazy to cook is something you won't remember or think about afterwards.

The same applies to the housecleaner. Do you come home after they've been and walk around actively luxuriating in the fact that the cleaning is done? Or is it something you don't really think about?

This is how I choose what I spend money on. Yes, I buy a small bunch of flowers every week. I stop and look at them and enjoy them every time I pass. I trim the stems and change the water every day or two so they last (and a flower grower told me to put a few drops of bleach in the water and bin the little sachet of additive the florist gives you, and that makes them last). I enjoy choosing them, I enjoy looking at them, I enjoy caring for them.

Maybe you could learn to enjoy cooking a bit. Maybe you could start a cleaning ritual and cut down on that housecleaner. If you're not actively enjoying something OR you don't need it to make money OR it's not something required to live, DON'T BUY IT.

And what's with the feeling guilty? I know it's hard to be frugal around the spendies, but don't buy into their crap!
Rant over :)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tass on October 05, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
If you're not actively enjoying something OR you don't need it to make money OR it's not something required to live, DON'T BUY IT.

+1

A far sweeter phrasing of the same idea in the MMM mantra against convenience: "Would you like a bedpan and catheter to go with that?"

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/09/18/is-it-convenient-would-i-enjoy-it-wrong-question/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/09/18/is-it-convenient-would-i-enjoy-it-wrong-question/)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Anon in Alaska on October 06, 2017, 06:02:07 AM
I rarely buy used clothing. For decades I went to thrift stores regularly. I always checked the clothing, but I could rarely find things I wanted.

I stopped going once I realized that I was
1) wasting my time looking
2) Spending money on too many books as long as I was there: Wow these are only $0.10 each! That's much cheaper than the used book store and is even cheaper than free books at the library once I account for my time. I should buy a lot! Oh wait, I never read most of them and now I need to de-clutter them.

Now I buy what I want in my size from LL Bean. I might be spending as much as $200 a year.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: MoonLiteNite on October 07, 2017, 02:44:13 AM
- eating out daily, even though i love to cook, i just love going out and trying something new
- ummm i keep my AC set to like 74f all summer in Texas. But i have solar panels so no extra bill i guess.

edit:
- Ahhh internet, i pay  75$/mo for fiber internet, but i do have 3 roommates and we all game and they watch netflix, so it is kinda "needed" to a degree. I also host tor nodes, so that is my charity work
- Cell phone, i just bought a fancy refurbished 350$ phone. On average i seem to buy one every 4 years.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: MrThatsDifferent on October 07, 2017, 03:23:31 AM
We’re not giving up the housecleaner; we eat out/order in, whenever we want; and, I’m still too generous/giving with family and friends. We make a decent amount and I feel guilty if I’m too cheap/frugal. That said, I’ve still given up my massage habit/love and I truly miss that but something had to give.

I would have a problem with the housecleaner and the food ordering/eating out. Do you do those things because they bring you active enjoyment, or simply because you're too lazy to change things? For example, eating out at a nice restaurant that you've been looking forward to trying, maybe for an event and as a treat, is a pleasure that you will look forward to, enjoy at the time, and remember as a fun thing you did. Grabbing takeout because you're too lazy to cook is something you won't remember or think about afterwards.

The same applies to the housecleaner. Do you come home after they've been and walk around actively luxuriating in the fact that the cleaning is done? Or is it something you don't really think about?

This is how I choose what I spend money on. Yes, I buy a small bunch of flowers every week. I stop and look at them and enjoy them every time I pass. I trim the stems and change the water every day or two so they last (and a flower grower told me to put a few drops of bleach in the water and bin the little sachet of additive the florist gives you, and that makes them last). I enjoy choosing them, I enjoy looking at them, I enjoy caring for them.

Maybe you could learn to enjoy cooking a bit. Maybe you could start a cleaning ritual and cut down on that housecleaner. If you're not actively enjoying something OR you don't need it to make money OR it's not something required to live, DON'T BUY IT.

And what's with the feeling guilty? I know it's hard to be frugal around the spendies, but don't buy into their crap!
Rant over :)

WTF judgey!  We’re not lazy, we work our asses off 5 days a week. I’m not about to spend the few hours I have cleaning, when it’s something I hate and I’m not great at it. I don’t want my partner to do all the work, so the way forward, get a housecleaner, and everyone is happy.

As for ordering in, that I concede is not ideal but again we’re both busy. If I eat for myself, I can eat simple and plain, but doesn’t seem fair to put my partner through that. Also, I’m an emotional eater, when work is intense, eating studs I like makes the day a little better. You pick your poisons.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 07, 2017, 05:34:20 AM
We’re not giving up the housecleaner; we eat out/order in, whenever we want; and, I’m still too generous/giving with family and friends. We make a decent amount and I feel guilty if I’m too cheap/frugal. That said, I’ve still given up my massage habit/love and I truly miss that but something had to give.

I would have a problem with the housecleaner and the food ordering/eating out. Do you do those things because they bring you active enjoyment, or simply because you're too lazy to change things? For example, eating out at a nice restaurant that you've been looking forward to trying, maybe for an event and as a treat, is a pleasure that you will look forward to, enjoy at the time, and remember as a fun thing you did. Grabbing takeout because you're too lazy to cook is something you won't remember or think about afterwards.

The same applies to the housecleaner. Do you come home after they've been and walk around actively luxuriating in the fact that the cleaning is done? Or is it something you don't really think about?

This is how I choose what I spend money on. Yes, I buy a small bunch of flowers every week. I stop and look at them and enjoy them every time I pass. I trim the stems and change the water every day or two so they last (and a flower grower told me to put a few drops of bleach in the water and bin the little sachet of additive the florist gives you, and that makes them last). I enjoy choosing them, I enjoy looking at them, I enjoy caring for them.

Maybe you could learn to enjoy cooking a bit. Maybe you could start a cleaning ritual and cut down on that housecleaner. If you're not actively enjoying something OR you don't need it to make money OR it's not something required to live, DON'T BUY IT.

And what's with the feeling guilty? I know it's hard to be frugal around the spendies, but don't buy into their crap!
Rant over :)

WTF judgey!  We’re not lazy, we work our asses off 5 days a week. I’m not about to spend the few hours I have cleaning, when it’s something I hate and I’m not great at it. I don’t want my partner to do all the work, so the way forward, get a housecleaner, and everyone is happy.

As for ordering in, that I concede is not ideal but again we’re both busy. If I eat for myself, I can eat simple and plain, but doesn’t seem fair to put my partner through that. Also, I’m an emotional eater, when work is intense, eating studs I like makes the day a little better. You pick your poisons.

Uh huh.
First I'm judgey.
Then you're so terribly busy.
Then you're doing it for your partner, keeping the peace, emotionally eating, picking your poisons...... etc.
You're on a mustachian site. I can fairly assume from that fact that you might possibly be interested in RE or FI or some combination of the two. Well, you've just identified two areas you could cut down on. You have no great excuse for the spending on those areas. Perhaps you need to rethink that spending. Perhaps you'll think about them and find other ways of dealing with them. Perhaps you'll assess the situation and continue to spend. The point is that you have to keep assessing and reassessing all your spending, all the time.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Laura33 on October 07, 2017, 08:26:12 PM
[pokes head up above rock to weigh in on house cleaner debate]

Yeah, so, the cleaners are another anti-mustachian habit that I am not willing to give up.  And this is a thread about which anti-mustachian choices people think are worth it.  So while I am completely with Anna in theory, I am with Mr. Different in practice.

The thing is, I'm not going to make any excuses for it.  I do have an actual legit reason for it (allergies = cleaning triggers my asthma).  But let's be straight:  I would have cleaners anyway.  Not because I'm too busy, or because it's a more cost-effective use of my time, or wah-wah-wah.  Just because I fucking hate cleaning.  I grew up spending the first half of every Saturday cleaning the house, and vowing that I would never do that again when I grew up and got a job and had my own money.  I don't get anything resembling zen when I am "in the moment" scrubbing a tub; I get no sense of achievement from seeing the floor dusted, nor do I take the slightest molecule of joy in seeing my space all pristine.  Nope:  cleaning is nothing more than sheer drudgery that is performed solely to comply with basic modern sanitation standards.

And, frankly, I grew up in an era in which the little woman was expected to stay home and cook and clean.  My entire life has been a giant "fuck you" to those expectations.  So at an emotional level, cleaning the house feels less like badassity than it does kowtowing to ancient gender stereotypes.  I earn my money, I take care of my family, and I am damned if I'm going to spend the weekend down on my knees instead of enjoying time with my kids.

So in the realm of anti-mustachian choices that are worth it, cleaners are right up there for me.  I have done the math, I know exactly how much more I need in my 'stache to cover cleaners until I die, and I am more than happy to work that extra couple of months to never have to clean my house again.

That is all.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 07, 2017, 08:52:09 PM
[pokes head up above rock to weigh in on house cleaner debate]

Yeah, so, the cleaners are another anti-mustachian habit that I am not willing to give up.  And this is a thread about which anti-mustachian choices people think are worth it.  So while I am completely with Anna in theory, I am with Mr. Different in practice.

The thing is, I'm not going to make any excuses for it.  I do have an actual legit reason for it (allergies = cleaning triggers my asthma).  But let's be straight:  I would have cleaners anyway.  Not because I'm too busy, or because it's a more cost-effective use of my time, or wah-wah-wah.  Just because I fucking hate cleaning.  I grew up spending the first half of every Saturday cleaning the house, and vowing that I would never do that again when I grew up and got a job and had my own money.  I don't get anything resembling zen when I am "in the moment" scrubbing a tub; I get no sense of achievement from seeing the floor dusted, nor do I take the slightest molecule of joy in seeing my space all pristine.  Nope:  cleaning is nothing more than sheer drudgery that is performed solely to comply with basic modern sanitation standards.

And, frankly, I grew up in an era in which the little woman was expected to stay home and cook and clean.  My entire life has been a giant "fuck you" to those expectations.  So at an emotional level, cleaning the house feels less like badassity than it does kowtowing to ancient gender stereotypes.  I earn my money, I take care of my family, and I am damned if I'm going to spend the weekend down on my knees instead of enjoying time with my kids.

So in the realm of anti-mustachian choices that are worth it, cleaners are right up there for me.  I have done the math, I know exactly how much more I need in my 'stache to cover cleaners until I die, and I am more than happy to work that extra couple of months to never have to clean my house again.

That is all.

Hahahahhahahhaha. Love the straight, no excuses attitude. I guess I'm the exact same with heating the house!
I understand. I fucking hate cleaning the car. Every time I say I'll take it to a car wash next time. I'm too cheap to actually do it.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: MrThatsDifferent on October 07, 2017, 11:54:28 PM
[pokes head up above rock to weigh in on house cleaner debate]

Yeah, so, the cleaners are another anti-mustachian habit that I am not willing to give up.  And this is a thread about which anti-mustachian choices people think are worth it.  So while I am completely with Anna in theory, I am with Mr. Different in practice.

The thing is, I'm not going to make any excuses for it.  I do have an actual legit reason for it (allergies = cleaning triggers my asthma).  But let's be straight:  I would have cleaners anyway.  Not because I'm too busy, or because it's a more cost-effective use of my time, or wah-wah-wah.  Just because I fucking hate cleaning.  I grew up spending the first half of every Saturday cleaning the house, and vowing that I would never do that again when I grew up and got a job and had my own money.  I don't get anything resembling zen when I am "in the moment" scrubbing a tub; I get no sense of achievement from seeing the floor dusted, nor do I take the slightest molecule of joy in seeing my space all pristine.  Nope:  cleaning is nothing more than sheer drudgery that is performed solely to comply with basic modern sanitation standards.

And, frankly, I grew up in an era in which the little woman was expected to stay home and cook and clean.  My entire life has been a giant "fuck you" to those expectations.  So at an emotional level, cleaning the house feels less like badassity than it does kowtowing to ancient gender stereotypes.  I earn my money, I take care of my family, and I am damned if I'm going to spend the weekend down on my knees instead of enjoying time with my kids.

So in the realm of anti-mustachian choices that are worth it, cleaners are right up there for me.  I have done the math, I know exactly how much more I need in my 'stache to cover cleaners until I die, and I am more than happy to work that extra couple of months to never have to clean my house again.

That is all.

Preach, sister, preach! ;-)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Hula Hoop on October 08, 2017, 03:11:32 AM
We're too cheap and frankly too poor to pay for cleaners but our solution is that the house is dirty.  In fact I'm now wasting time rather than getting the vacuum cleaner out for the first time in a couple of months (we have wood and tile floors and we do sweep occasionally so it's not so terrible but there's a small dust village growing under our bed!)

Occasionally, I think about getting cleaners but then I realize that that money would pay for piano lessons for my kid (who loves music) or part of a trip to see my family back home and I get out the broom.  I'm also from a long line of full time working women.  My mother is horrified that we don't have a cleaner but she had a high status relatively high income job whereas I work FT but don't make that much.

Off to vacuum...
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tass on October 08, 2017, 09:32:32 AM
I fucking hate cleaning the car. Every time I say I'll take it to a car wash next time. I'm too cheap to actually do it.

I just have a filthy car. (On the outside. Inside, cleanliness matters at least a little.)

This wouldn't be a problem if it just rained once in a while.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: badassprof on October 08, 2017, 09:52:06 AM
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There's something to be said for challenging yourself, examining your assumptions about what you can't live without, and redefining happiness as something that comes through service to the world instead of through toys and comforts. But I personally believe there's room for both. Balance in all things.

As an alternative perspective, I'll say that personally threads like this are disheartening. Every time I buy something blatantly unnecessary, I curse myself for my weakness - either for being too weak to forgo some hedonistic pleasure or for caving to some implicit social pressure. Everyday I attempt to cull down on my desires and divorce my emotional state from physical objects. Often, I fail. But, I will never stop trying. I know I'll never fully succeed (and that's for the best) but, the reward is in the struggle.

I would never judge others for non-financially suicidal spending but, to me, the value of this site comes from others challenging my own desires. I don't need a whole forum to help me rationalize buying an overpriced bottle of whiskey because I'll "value" it, I can do that plenty well on my own! What I need is people to remind me that there's someone out there who is healthier and wealthier than me because they *didnt* buy that whiskey. Someone worth emulating, even if only in the abstract.

But that's just me.

I think I see this a little differently. Yes, hedonistic spending is problematic, but for me, the part that makes it hedonistic is when I'm doing it unconsciously. For example, I have dogs (2), a weekly house cleaner,  and get my hair cut and colored.  However, what enables me to do that is that I take my lunch everyday, we eat almost all of our meals at home, I don't go out for coffee, and I have a pretty minimalist wardrobe.  It is a trade off that allows me to enjoy those things that are important while, at the same time, saving 50%+ of my income.  That said, I appreciate that isn't the situation for everyone. I definitely have been in times in my life where it was either savings OR those small pleasures.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Sailor Sam on October 08, 2017, 10:07:40 AM
My largest break with this community is my car. It's small. It's fast. It's German. It regularly costs me 2-4k per year in gas and maintenance. I love it with all my heart. I offer no excuses, but I also sure as fuck ain't selling it for a Civic.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 08, 2017, 11:10:23 PM
I fucking hate cleaning the car. Every time I say I'll take it to a car wash next time. I'm too cheap to actually do it.

I just have a filthy car.

Brilliantly simple. I'm going to try this one, starting now!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: EnjoyIt on October 09, 2017, 11:47:21 PM
I fucking hate cleaning the car. Every time I say I'll take it to a car wash next time. I'm too cheap to actually do it.

I just have a filthy car.

Brilliantly simple. I'm going to try this one, starting now!

Having a clean car is stressful.  You just washed it and you are forced to drive through a puddle, or it drizzles making your hard work worthless.  Plus, you sit inside the car, not outside.  Who cares what it looks like from out there?  I try and keep the inside of the car decent for myself.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Khaetra on October 10, 2017, 05:20:21 AM
I fucking hate cleaning the car. Every time I say I'll take it to a car wash next time. I'm too cheap to actually do it.

I just have a filthy car.

Brilliantly simple. I'm going to try this one, starting now!

Having a clean car is stressful.  You just washed it and you are forced to drive through a puddle, or it drizzles making your hard work worthless.  Plus, you sit inside the car, not outside.  Who cares what it looks like from out there?  I try and keep the inside of the car decent for myself.

I love having a clean car, both inside and out.  I am one of those who washes weekly and waxes monthly, more often during Lovebug season though as they will eat your paint if you don't get them off right away.  I need to give it a good buffing too, but I'll wait until it's a bit cooler out for that.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Vegasgirl on October 10, 2017, 07:13:03 AM
We have a house cleaner.  We both work full time and a couple years ago it was decided that, if we couldn't divide up duties equally then it shouldn't all fall on one of us.  I'm fully willing and able to take over duties once RE.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 10, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
I pay $3 or $5 for someone else to gather all my groceries, check them through, bring them to my car, and load 'er up :)
Fan-freakin'tastic!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Free Spirit on October 10, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
I pay $3 or $5 for someone else to gather all my groceries, check them through, bring them to my car, and load 'er up :)
Fan-freakin'tastic!

My local grocery store has started offering this service and I'm seriously considering it. I get sensory overload (to the point of meltdown sometimes) at the grocery store so this would be totally worth it to me. The problem lies in my need to control exactly which item I pick out of the available options. I'm that person that will weigh 4 different 5lb bags of potatoes to see which one is actually 5lbs. Are the people picking out my vegetables going to notice bad spots on the bell peppers? Am I going to end up with a head of lettuce that weighs less than a marshmallow?!

sigh
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: joonifloofeefloo on October 10, 2017, 08:52:59 AM
I get sensory overload (to the point of meltdown sometimes) at the grocery store

Yep, this is exactly why I opted for it. Cheapest path to weeks of neurological ease! :)
(Wait...So maybe it IS Mustachian...)

Yeah, another forum member said their need to be very selective (in their case, for good, discounted produce) makes it a no-go, and two people I know have been unhappy with Superstore's selections of fresh produce. I've always been very particular about what I get, but more in things like brands (no name!), cheapest per volume, sizes, etc. My needs are easily met through this system.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: ketchup on October 10, 2017, 09:12:25 AM
I get sensory overload (to the point of meltdown sometimes) at the grocery store

Yep, this is exactly why I opted for it. Cheapest path to weeks of neurological ease! :)
(Wait...So maybe it IS Mustachian...)

Yeah, another forum member said their need to be very selective (in their case, for good, discounted produce) makes it a no-go, and two people I know have been unhappy with Superstore's selections of fresh produce. I've always been very particular about what I get, but more in things like brands (no name!), cheapest per volume, sizes, etc. My needs are easily met through this system.
Amazon Fresh is in my area and works shockingly well (and their prices are actually sane, which I was not expecting - the only clear markup is on meat and frozen foods, presumably since packing that is a pain).  Also, when I bitched about partially-smashed raspberries (maybe 20% of them were smashed but enough to make a mess) and an unripe avocado sold as "ripe" they refunded me for them.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: talltexan on October 10, 2017, 09:21:38 AM
A long-distance romantic relationship sounds un-mustachian to me. There have GOT to be romantic partners who are 60%-80% as good within five miles of you. Collect about three or four of them instead :-)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: mm1970 on October 10, 2017, 10:35:41 AM
[pokes head up above rock to weigh in on house cleaner debate]

Yeah, so, the cleaners are another anti-mustachian habit that I am not willing to give up.  And this is a thread about which anti-mustachian choices people think are worth it.  So while I am completely with Anna in theory, I am with Mr. Different in practice.

The thing is, I'm not going to make any excuses for it.  I do have an actual legit reason for it (allergies = cleaning triggers my asthma).  But let's be straight:  I would have cleaners anyway.  Not because I'm too busy, or because it's a more cost-effective use of my time, or wah-wah-wah.  Just because I fucking hate cleaning.  I grew up spending the first half of every Saturday cleaning the house, and vowing that I would never do that again when I grew up and got a job and had my own money.  I don't get anything resembling zen when I am "in the moment" scrubbing a tub; I get no sense of achievement from seeing the floor dusted, nor do I take the slightest molecule of joy in seeing my space all pristine.  Nope:  cleaning is nothing more than sheer drudgery that is performed solely to comply with basic modern sanitation standards.

And, frankly, I grew up in an era in which the little woman was expected to stay home and cook and clean.  My entire life has been a giant "fuck you" to those expectations.  So at an emotional level, cleaning the house feels less like badassity than it does kowtowing to ancient gender stereotypes.  I earn my money, I take care of my family, and I am damned if I'm going to spend the weekend down on my knees instead of enjoying time with my kids.

So in the realm of anti-mustachian choices that are worth it, cleaners are right up there for me.  I have done the math, I know exactly how much more I need in my 'stache to cover cleaners until I die, and I am more than happy to work that extra couple of months to never have to clean my house again.

That is all.
+1000.

Right now to the "little woman" expectations and all that.  Fuck that.  I do 90% of the cooking, he does 90% of the laundry, we split the dishes.  Everything else we pay for.

OH, and I have a produce delivery service weekly.  Used to have a CSA  (it shut down due to the drought).  This is more expensive, obv, because they go to the farmer's market for you and you pay a delivery.  Don't care!!

"But my wife says that strolling thru the market, testing the samples, choosing your stuff - best part!"  Uh huh, and I like getting a doz local eggs for $6 instead of $8.  BUT ... your wife doesn't have a full time job and two elementary school kids.  I get 1.5 hours to myself Sat morning, and I'm using it to go running, not shop at the farmer's market.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tass on October 11, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
A long-distance romantic relationship sounds un-mustachian to me. There have GOT to be romantic partners who are 60%-80% as good within five miles of you. Collect about three or four of them instead :-)

I have to assume this was directed at me, in which case good news: he's working on moving. :)

Though if we define "mustachian" as "similar to MMM himself" then a temporary long-distance relationship absolutely qualifies.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Slow&Steady on October 11, 2017, 02:38:14 PM
[pokes head up above rock to weigh in on house cleaner debate]

Yeah, so, the cleaners are another anti-mustachian habit that I am not willing to give up.  And this is a thread about which anti-mustachian choices people think are worth it.  So while I am completely with Anna in theory, I am with Mr. Different in practice.

The thing is, I'm not going to make any excuses for it.  I do have an actual legit reason for it (allergies = cleaning triggers my asthma).  But let's be straight:  I would have cleaners anyway.  Not because I'm too busy, or because it's a more cost-effective use of my time, or wah-wah-wah.  Just because I fucking hate cleaning.  I grew up spending the first half of every Saturday cleaning the house, and vowing that I would never do that again when I grew up and got a job and had my own money.  I don't get anything resembling zen when I am "in the moment" scrubbing a tub; I get no sense of achievement from seeing the floor dusted, nor do I take the slightest molecule of joy in seeing my space all pristine.  Nope:  cleaning is nothing more than sheer drudgery that is performed solely to comply with basic modern sanitation standards.

And, frankly, I grew up in an era in which the little woman was expected to stay home and cook and clean.  My entire life has been a giant "fuck you" to those expectations.  So at an emotional level, cleaning the house feels less like badassity than it does kowtowing to ancient gender stereotypes.  I earn my money, I take care of my family, and I am damned if I'm going to spend the weekend down on my knees instead of enjoying time with my kids.

So in the realm of anti-mustachian choices that are worth it, cleaners are right up there for me.  I have done the math, I know exactly how much more I need in my 'stache to cover cleaners until I die, and I am more than happy to work that extra couple of months to never have to clean my house again.

That is all.

I am also going to agree with this 100%!

I do not have a house cleaner YET, I live in the middle of nowhere and have not found one that doesn't want to charge me a ridiculous fee because I am in the middle of nowhere.  I absolutely hate to clean, I am willing to make other sacrifices in my life so that I can pay somebody else to vacuum/sweep.

I follow MMM because at the end of the day the message is to save enough money to not have to do something you don't like doing.  That usually falls under the "work/job" category but I don't see cleaning as any different!  Actually I generally will choose work/job over cleaning, that is a small part of the reason I am not a stay at home parent.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: one piece at a time on October 11, 2017, 02:45:54 PM
I have a motorbike that I haven't yet sold. It is a 250cc bike that was a great commuter for my last job but now I've got a company vehicle (and an 8 minute commute to the office) so it is only a toy...one more summer!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: elaine amj on October 11, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
I follow MMM because at the end of the day the message is to save enough money to not have to do something you don't like doing.  That usually falls under the "work/job" category but I don't see cleaning as any different!  Actually I generally will choose work/job over cleaning, that is a small part of the reason I am not a stay at home parent.

I well remember the days of being a SAHM where I said (and meant it) that I would be more than happy to work whatever job would pay enough to pay a cleaning lady. I hated it sooo much. I'm more accepting of it these days and am OK doing it myself although my house is far from sparkling clean.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: talltexan on October 16, 2017, 10:01:19 AM
A long-distance romantic relationship sounds un-mustachian to me. There have GOT to be romantic partners who are 60%-80% as good within five miles of you. Collect about three or four of them instead :-)

I have to assume this was directed at me, in which case good news: he's working on moving. :)

Though if we define "mustachian" as "similar to MMM himself" then a temporary long-distance relationship absolutely qualifies.

Tass- I hope my good-natured kidding came across clearly. Best of luck to you in your relationship!
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Tass on October 19, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
A long-distance romantic relationship sounds un-mustachian to me. There have GOT to be romantic partners who are 60%-80% as good within five miles of you. Collect about three or four of them instead :-)

I have to assume this was directed at me, in which case good news: he's working on moving. :)

Though if we define "mustachian" as "similar to MMM himself" then a temporary long-distance relationship absolutely qualifies.

Tass- I hope my good-natured kidding came across clearly. Best of luck to you in your relationship!

Lol, yes, it did. I laughed. My response was fully bragging about a recent happy development in my life.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: JLee on October 19, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/G1c22hI.png)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: rebel_quietude on December 03, 2017, 09:31:55 AM
LOL - JLee, a picture is worth a thousand words. :D
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: JLee on December 03, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
LOL - JLee, a picture is worth a thousand words. :D

haha yeah, I figured that would sum it up pretty well.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: TheWifeHalf on December 04, 2017, 06:53:23 PM
Scallops - I cook them, or eat out
I live in the midwest, I can't just go out and catch a scallop!

We turned our dining room into a sewing room - I sew way more than I dine
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: ACyclist on December 04, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
Quality food, but I am cutting back some. 

The biggest problem in our home is the bikes.  We also have a trailer habit.  Although, our current trailer is a used pop up.  We do want a new one, and I imagine that we will buy another used one. 

For the most part, we live rather frugally.  We can afford a much larger home and newer car.   Our tiny home is just fine.
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: headwinds on December 04, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
By far the biggest anti mustachian thing in my life is my home climbing wall.

(https://cdn-uploads.mountainproject.com/forum/19633.jpg)
Title: Re: Anti mustachian habits that are worth it to you?
Post by: Slow&Steady on December 05, 2017, 07:52:20 AM
By far the biggest anti mustachian thing in my life is my home climbing wall.

(https://cdn-uploads.mountainproject.com/forum/19633.jpg)

This is in your house!!! It might not be MMM badass but it is it's own definition of badass.