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Annuity sales free dinner
« on: June 17, 2016, 08:30:11 AM »
I was lured in for a free dinner for annuity sales presentation.  It was interesting.  If you haven’t been to one I thought you might find it intriguing.

The presentation was to 18 couples, upper middle class income 5 to 10 years out from retirement, the targeted market was deferred annuities.  It was in a conference room of an upscale restaurant.  Orders were taken first with choice of chicken, beef or fish.  A 75 minute presentation immediately followed.

It was designed to disarm, place the audience at ease, build some trust and even a little bit of alliance.  No questions were taken during the power point presentation.  No meaningful questions were taken after the power point, the salesman quickly vanished afterwards.

Retirement income was identified as “green” income, safe income such as social security, pension and rental income. All other income was risky “red” income.  His goal was to convert this dangerous income to safe income.

 Repeatedly he offered guidance in maximizing income from the ‘complex’ social security system.  It was necessary to set up a free consultation with him to get this guidance.   A number of variables were presented to illustrate how errors could be made in determining when to draw SS benefits.  This was a large portion of the presentation.   

Throughout the presentation he illustrated the volatile nature of the stock market, emphasizing the 2008 crash and how retirees were hurt where as a safe 3% steady return would be far better.  I recognized the slide that he used to illustrate this point from my research on annuity sales, apparently they all use the same slide.  The 3% safe return was not identified as an annuity.

A 4% SWR was discussed and quickly dispensed as risky, old school 1980's thought now replaced by a new rule of 1.5 to 2% SWR.  He alluded to his management of mutual funds on client's behalf.  He briefly discussed retail customer costs vice institutional costs.  Without stating it he was leading the audience to the conclusion that it is cheaper to invest with him and pay oversight fees and get institutional rates vice invest directly at retail.  I doubt the actual math would prove this to be a fact.  No mention was made of his management costs.

On the very last slide he introduced the word annuity.  He ended the presentation with a blessing for the meal which he read from a script, in fact most of the presentation was from a script.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 11:28:18 AM »
Thank you for the description.  I get invitations to such dinners three or four times a year, and was wondering what the sales talk was like.

The fact that the broker will host such expensive marketing efforts indicates there is substantial profit to be made selling the annuities.


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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 12:52:48 PM »
I have attended a few of these types of dinners.  They are a good opportunity to 1) Eat out at a place too spendy to justify otherwise and 2) (Politely) harass the presenter by asking intelligent questions that challenge the presentation claims.

Free food!  Very MMM

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2016, 10:11:44 AM »
There is no such thing as a free dinner. :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2016, 11:09:26 AM »
There is no such thing as a free dinner. :)

There is no such thing as a free lunch but free dinner, you betcha!

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2016, 11:15:27 AM »
So....did you go with chicken, fish, or beef?  And how was it?

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 11:24:01 AM »
I have attended a few of these types of dinners.  They are a good opportunity to 1) Eat out at a place too spendy to justify otherwise and 2) (Politely) harass the presenter by asking intelligent questions that challenge the presentation claims.

Free food!  Very MMM

Love the "politely harass"

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2016, 12:17:43 PM »
So....did you go with chicken, fish, or beef?  And how was it?

All in it was about a 26.00 meal X 2 plus tip.  Generally I place my time for any level of harassment at about 40.00.  it was a little below my usual payoff but with the wife I consider it pretty fair.  Mainly I wanted her to be exposed to this since she will outlive me and will likely be approached by someone with some slick sales presentation.

Now that I know what to expect I plan to go to everyone that I get offered.


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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 12:20:18 PM »
So....did you go with chicken, fish, or beef?  And how was it?

All in it was about a 26.00 meal X 2 plus tip.  Generally I place my time for any level of harassment at about 40.00.  it was a little below my usual payoff but with the wife I consider it pretty fair.  Mainly I wanted her to be exposed to this since she will outlive me and will likely be approached by someone with some slick sales presentation.

Now that I know what to expect I plan to go to everyone that I get offered.

You didn't answer either of my questions!

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2016, 12:39:38 PM »
There is no such thing as a free dinner. :)

This dinner was paid for by the person who bought the annuity after the last presentation. 

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Re: Annuity sales free dinner
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 10:58:38 AM »
Ok I am sold! take my money now....and stab me

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Re: Annuity sales free dinner
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 01:22:25 PM »
Orders were taken first with choice of chicken, beef or fish.

I guess vegetarians or vegans don't need annuities, LOL!

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 01:34:01 PM »
Orders were taken first with choice of chicken, beef or fish.

I guess vegetarians or vegans don't need annuities, LOL!

No, there was a fish option.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 01:34:24 PM »
So....did you go with chicken, fish, or beef?  And how was it?

Asking the important questions here.  Don't leave us hanging OP.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 04:38:08 PM »
So....did you go with chicken, fish, or beef?  And how was it?

Asking the important questions here.  Don't leave us hanging OP.

Ok, I had  beef tips and my spouse had salmon, both were excellent.  She took half her's home for lunch the next day.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2016, 05:30:52 PM »
  She took half her's home for lunch the next day.
And that's how the salesman realized "oh, these are mustachians, I won't bother them anymore"

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Re: Annuity sales free dinner
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2016, 08:16:55 PM »
I was lured in for a free dinner for annuity sales presentation.  It was interesting.  If you haven’t been to one I thought you might find it intriguing.

The presentation was to 18 couples, upper middle class income 5 to 10 years out from retirement, the targeted market was deferred annuities.  It was in a conference room of an upscale restaurant.  Orders were taken first with choice of chicken, beef or fish.  A 75 minute presentation immediately followed.

It was designed to disarm, place the audience at ease, build some trust and even a little bit of alliance.  No questions were taken during the power point presentation.  No meaningful questions were taken after the power point, the salesman quickly vanished afterwards.

Retirement income was identified as “green” income, safe income such as social security, pension and rental income. All other income was risky “red” income.  His goal was to convert this dangerous income to safe income.

 Repeatedly he offered guidance in maximizing income from the ‘complex’ social security system.  It was necessary to set up a free consultation with him to get this guidance.   A number of variables were presented to illustrate how errors could be made in determining when to draw SS benefits.  This was a large portion of the presentation.   

Throughout the presentation he illustrated the volatile nature of the stock market, emphasizing the 2008 crash and how retirees were hurt where as a safe 3% steady return would be far better.  I recognized the slide that he used to illustrate this point from my research on annuity sales, apparently they all use the same slide.  The 3% safe return was not identified as an annuity.

A 4% SWR was discussed and quickly dispensed as risky, old school 1980's thought now replaced by a new rule of 1.5 to 2% SWR.  He alluded to his management of mutual funds on client's behalf.  He briefly discussed retail customer costs vice institutional costs.  Without stating it he was leading the audience to the conclusion that it is cheaper to invest with him and pay oversight fees and get institutional rates vice invest directly at retail.  I doubt the actual math would prove this to be a fact.  No mention was made of his management costs.

On the very last slide he introduced the word annuity.  He ended the presentation with a blessing for the meal which he read from a script, in fact most of the presentation was from a script.

How do you get invited?
Would there be a way to find these locally?
I really want to go, so I can take my spouse too.
TIA

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Re: Annuity sales free dinner
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2016, 09:34:36 PM »


How do you get invited?
Would there be a way to find these locally?
I really want to go, so I can take my spouse too.
TIA
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We were 'selected' for invitation.  I imagine it was by fico/income/age.  There are a number of lead generators that collect our data and make determinations about what we are most likely to purchase.  We just hit the profile of an annuity buyer, or so he thought.
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