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rob in cal

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33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« on: June 30, 2016, 03:00:12 PM »
   I saw an article on yahoo about a young lawyer who retired after working I think about 5 years.  She saved about 100k of her salary every year, and that combined with market growth meant she now has 750 in assets.  I tried to find the article again, but couldn't find it, or her website. Her friends and mom were shocked at her plan of course.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 03:05:13 PM »
MMM did a post with an interview earlier this year:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2016/01/13/an-interview-with-the-lawyer-who-retired-at-33/

It's always nice to see these stories hit the mainstream media.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 03:16:10 PM »
  Thanks, that was it. Ironically she is in Norway right now, one of Europe's most expensive places, but something tells me she'll be just fine.  Looks like she's got her act together in life and finances. More power to her.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 03:16:44 PM »
MMM did a post with an interview earlier this year:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2016/01/13/an-interview-with-the-lawyer-who-retired-at-33/

It's always nice to see these stories hit the mainstream media.

If you make money law/management consulting/IBD salary and is not a millionaire (or multimillionaire) by the time you are up for partnership (8-9 years), you are obviously doing something wrong. Apparently 99% of the folks working in those jobs do not get this right...shocking... I know.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 03:32:28 PM »
As is usually the case, when I saw this, many of the comments were pure shame and comedy gold.....or punch worthy.  Of course, there were some decent ones as well.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 03:50:37 PM »
MMM did a post with an interview earlier this year:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2016/01/13/an-interview-with-the-lawyer-who-retired-at-33/

It's always nice to see these stories hit the mainstream media.

If you make money law/management consulting/IBD salary and is not a millionaire (or multimillionaire) by the time you are up for partnership (8-9 years), you are obviously doing something wrong. Apparently 99% of the folks working in those jobs do not get this right...shocking... I know.

I agree. I spent almost 4 years in biglaw before leaving for greener pastures and I was able to pay off 50k in student debt and stash about 600k. If I would've stayed another 4 years I would've easily been at around 1.5M. Then again, I may have had a heart attack from working 80+ hour weeks too.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 04:16:11 PM »
I love how many posters just assume she has her nest egg sitting in some vault in cash or in her luggage and is skimming her living expenses off without the money being invested. There is a total disconnect on understanding that money can be put to work to make more money.

I did not really understand it myself up until a few years ago, but at least I knew that there was a way to invest for more growth than a savings account, and wouldn't say some of the boneheaded things I read in the comments. Like how if you spend 25k a year and she only saved up 500k, then she will run out of money in 20 years cause basic math says so!  Do they really not get that maybe they don't know what the hell they're talking about? Guess it still is too hard to do basic research and consider that there might be stuff you really don't get if you aren't willing to actually listen.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 04:21:10 PM »
MMM did a post with an interview earlier this year:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2016/01/13/an-interview-with-the-lawyer-who-retired-at-33/

It's always nice to see these stories hit the mainstream media.

If you make money law/management consulting/IBD salary and is not a millionaire (or multimillionaire) by the time you are up for partnership (8-9 years), you are obviously doing something wrong. Apparently 99% of the folks working in those jobs do not get this right...shocking... I know.

I agree. I spent almost 4 years in biglaw before leaving for greener pastures and I was able to pay off 50k in student debt and stash about 600k. If I would've stayed another 4 years I would've easily been at around 1.5M. Then again, I may have had a heart attack from working 80+ hour weeks too.

I'm actually going to disagree with chesebert's statement, and revise it how I think is more accurate:  "If an attorney fresh out of law school works for 8 or 9 years in biglaw, they should be able to increase their net worth by $1 million."  In my opinion, chesebert's statement doesn't take into consideration things like beginning debt load from college and/or law school, and the city in which the attorney practices.  Biglaw in NYC, DC, San Francisco, etc. get the highest level of salaries, but biglaw in other secondary markets have somewhat lower starting salaries, not to mention the big bonus differential, as well.  Multimillionaire at biglaw after 8 or 9 years in a secondary market?  No way, not without other major factors contributing to that!
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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2016, 10:10:43 AM »
MMM did a post with an interview earlier this year:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2016/01/13/an-interview-with-the-lawyer-who-retired-at-33/

It's always nice to see these stories hit the mainstream media.

If you make money law/management consulting/IBD salary and is not a millionaire (or multimillionaire) by the time you are up for partnership (8-9 years), you are obviously doing something wrong. Apparently 99% of the folks working in those jobs do not get this right...shocking... I know.

I agree. I spent almost 4 years in biglaw before leaving for greener pastures and I was able to pay off 50k in student debt and stash about 600k. If I would've stayed another 4 years I would've easily been at around 1.5M. Then again, I may have had a heart attack from working 80+ hour weeks too.

I'm actually going to disagree with chesebert's statement, and revise it how I think is more accurate:  "If an attorney fresh out of law school works for 8 or 9 years in biglaw, they should be able to increase their net worth by $1 million."  In my opinion, chesebert's statement doesn't take into consideration things like beginning debt load from college and/or law school, and the city in which the attorney practices.  Biglaw in NYC, DC, San Francisco, etc. get the highest level of salaries, but biglaw in other secondary markets have somewhat lower starting salaries, not to mention the big bonus differential, as well.  Multimillionaire at biglaw after 8 or 9 years in a secondary market?  No way, not without other major factors contributing to that!

Yeah, I will barely gross over a million at my biglawish Midwestern firm after 8 years, unless I develop a large book of business. Not that I'm complaining! I make plenty and a dollar goes far where I live. And I don't work nearly as many hours as my equivalents on the coasts.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2016, 09:03:05 PM »
Interesting story. I read it and many of the comments. I think there are some misconceptions on both sides:

(1) There are many people who could do this if they wanted (I was one). Most people graduating from top law and MBA programs start at salary levels comparable to the woman in this story ($160K).

(2) Most single people actually do accumulate high six figure net worths in their first 5-7 years after graduating from a top professional school. This is perhaps the biggest misconception in the story. If you are starting at $160K base salary (maybe $200K after bonus), then after a few years you should be earning $300K/year or more and working all time. Most people in this demographic do not waste as much money as people seem to think. They are smart, disciplined, and often hate their jobs, so are planning an exit.

(3) This woman is not retired. I guarantee she will be working again soon, most likely on her own terms.

(4) Kids change everything. As a single person, I'd have no problem retiring on $1mn net worth. Now with a son and another on the way, we are looking at a full-time nanny, more expensive vacations, private school tuition, future college expenses, a bigger house, maybe even a car. I'd need $2.5mn before retiring.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 09:37:49 PM »
(4) Kids change everything. As a single person, I'd have no problem retiring on $1mn net worth. Now with a son and another on the way, we are looking at a full-time nanny, more expensive vacations, private school tuition, future college expenses, a bigger house, maybe even a car. I'd need $2.5mn before retiring.
Some of this is asking for a facepunch. Why would you need a nanny if you're retired, and cars cost <$10k.

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 09:44:35 PM »
(3) This woman is not retired. I guarantee she will be working again soon, most likely on her own terms.

I.R.P. alert!

Or were you making fun of the comments on the article? Because it seems like points 3 and 4 are completely off base, while 1 and 2 are obvious...

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Re: 33 year old lawyer retires to travel the world
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2016, 01:53:43 AM »
Regarding points 3 and 4, what I have in mind is something like a Maslowe's hierarchy of needs. Financial security is one component of happiness, but relationships and self-actualization are also essential. ThriftyGal even says one of her main concerns is dying alone. I can empathize with TG because I followed a similar path and even "retired' with no definite plans of returning to work (but did after a year).

It seems to me a common theme among ambitious people is to follow a certain path in school, achieving all the goals they set for themselves, then again in their first careers, only to realize they are still unhappy. People like TG can make it into their early 30s without ever really choosing much for themselves. They went to the best college that admitted them, the best law school, the best law firm, etc. They've been doing what they were told basically their entire lives, following in the footsteps of others.

It can be very tricky to navigate the transition from a well-trodden career path to a life that you have actively chosen. This is what I mean by point 3. I don't view her goal as retirement, but to try to figure out how she can reclaim control of her life. I don't mean to be the IRP, but I think the distinction is important, as it confronts many others in her situation, even those without $700K in the bank.

A second transition is moving from the wage-earning class to the investor class. On this front, she is doing well for her age, but if she plans to start a family, I suspect she'll need far more than $700K, especially given her young age and the low yields on investments today. Like her, I initially planned to retire with about $700K, but starting a family totally blew a hole in my budget.