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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1650 on: June 08, 2022, 05:17:46 PM »
Just got a call from my old job, asking that I fill in for an employee that will be out for 6-8 months on medical leave.  Could have made my old salary for that time....The money lure was tempting, but I thought about whether the money was something I "needed."  I kept asking myself whether I have "enough" already?  The answer was always "yes" and I told my old boss, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Instead, I will be traveling in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.  I think that will be imminently more enjoyable :-).  FIRE > Working

Badass! It feels awesome to be in a position to not need more money.

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1651 on: June 09, 2022, 03:07:43 AM »
That is great!  I think in our working lives we are so trained to be helpful and always say "yes" and figure out how to make it happen - it's a hard habit to break! 

There is stuff going on at my work at the moment that could really make the firm a better place to work (practically, culturally, emotionally) and yet nobody is really picking it up and running with it - and it's so tempting to have a go at doing that, at least just over the summer to get things moving - and I have to just keep reminding myself that this makes NO SENSE and that somebody needs to do it who actually is going to have a long-term interest in the firm and the people there and keeping momentum behind the project or it would just fall apart when I left anyway.  But it's very hard when you're so used to looking for opportunities to help and jumping in to just say "pass - that one is for somebody else now".

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1652 on: June 17, 2022, 10:46:38 AM »
One year update for me -

  I'm "homeless" and traveling indefinitely.  Did all my travel in the US and mexico in my van, spent a few months with family.  Spent significant time in CO, TX, NM, AZ, CA, MI, and Baja.  Also a road trip down the Mississippi River. 

Expenses were way under what I expected.  I've given myself a budget of $100 a day, or $36,500 for the year.  Total expenses came in at'... $16.068!

I don't feel like I missed out on much, did some amazing things - great hikes, a via ferrata, whale watching (I kissed a whale), swimming with seals, lots of time in pools, hot springs, and much more!  Got to the ABQ balloon festival and went to several sessions, which was on my bucket list. 


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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1653 on: June 17, 2022, 02:50:22 PM »
All these updates are super interesting. I love seeing how FIRE is such an individual experience. I’ve gotten myself into a few routines since quitting and keep reminding myself that I can stick with them if I want to, but that I can really do ANYTHING.

My latest time-sucking activity is dipping back into foreign language study. I found so many YouTubers and other resources about language acquisition. Modern methods are a lot more fun and effective than the way I first started learning these things in primary school! I’m focusing heavily on French right now and making breakthroughs. I booked a trip to France for September. When I get back, I want to start something new. Probably Italian, unless something else really grabs me before then. The Greek alphabet also looks fascinating. Thai would be an adventure. I feel really grateful for the time I have to pursue these kinds of things.

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« Reply #1654 on: June 17, 2022, 08:48:53 PM »
DH retired right at the end Dec 2020 but we decided to join this 2021 FIRE cohort as it is a more active (and interesting?) thread ..haha!

Since then, have been cobbled by Covid and stuck in Sydney..but guess what ?

We are booked to go to Europe for 7 weeks in August AND 8 weeks early 2023 to South East Asia..

No fixed plans to travel...kinda meander each country and see what tickles our fancy!

We can do this because guess what!  we are RETIRED! woo hoo!

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1655 on: June 30, 2022, 01:00:49 PM »
Six month update: I retired on 12/30/2021. The first six weeks I did nothing significant and slept more. Then I started in on my hobbies (I have many) and finished a big woodworking project that I had always wanted to do. It took about two months for me to stop thinking about work. My job was not bad, but I had enough money and really had no reason to keep going.

I read a lot more, and some of the things I read I would never have tackled while working, such as The Last Lion by William Manchester, a trilogy, each book is 900 pages.

Would I go back to work? No. Would I go back if they offered double pay? No. Waking up every day and having total freedom to decide what I will be doing is more important than a few extra dollars I probably will never spend. I had enough cash on hand to not have to use my 401k or anything else yet, so while I do look at the stock market it isn't really impacting me. I was more into reducing expenses, so the market would have to crash before I am affected.

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1656 on: June 30, 2022, 03:30:03 PM »
Great to hear you are doing well, congratulations!

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« Reply #1657 on: July 26, 2022, 11:41:30 AM »
It's my one-year FIRE-versary this week! Despite war, COVID, inflation and all the other craziness in the world, life has been good.

I've been reading more books, exercising more, cooking interesting recipes, and working in my garden. I've taken my son to zoos and museums in Manhattan, hiked to scenic spots and strolled through landscape gardens in the Hudson Valley, walked along the beach to see old shipwrecks on Long Island, and stargazed at the Custer Observatory. I spent a week in the Delaware Water Gap last summer and another one in Acadia National Park in July.

I wrote more reflections in my journal for anyone who's interested!

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1658 on: July 28, 2022, 04:57:38 PM »
Happy Fireversary @FireLane !  I've been enjoying your journal but it's nice to see the summary too - you have packed a lot in, in a deceptively chilled way!

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1659 on: July 28, 2022, 06:55:32 PM »
Congratulations!!! You made it!

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« Reply #1660 on: August 01, 2022, 10:36:33 PM »
I received my last paystub today, which means I'm officially out of the Air Force and a civilian again.  Strange feeling.  I haven't been visiting these forums in quite a while due to a rocky few years, but that helped solidify the decision to FIRE.  I was offered an opportunity that was interesting and ended up pushing out my final date, but I was given very sage advice early on in my career.  "Keep going while it's fun, and get out when it's not."  The bad days started outweighing the good days, so I pulled the trigger finally. 

I had a lot of built up leave (PTO) that I used, so I haven't been doing any real work since April, but there has been something freeing about actually being off the books since my final out mid July.  Random text messages or phone calls no longer leave me with a sinking sense of dread, and waking up with the sun has become the norm.  Cooking good food has been a hobby of mine after eating too many MREs over the years, so being able to meander daily on my bike to the market and get fresh ingredients every day to leisurely prepare has been downright pleasant.  I fill my time with various hobbies and gardening for more cost effective herbs (and yes, catching up on Netflix... sue me.  After not watching much TV for over 10 years there's a LOT of entertainment out there.)  I'm interested in the more professional side of the culinary world, so to fill social needs I've been able to dedicate more time to cooking at a local soup kitchen which has helped me learn a lot about that crazy industry.  I have the knife skills, but I've learned that I really need to brush up on my Spanish.  If I start to get restless, the plan is to use my GI Bill to go to the Culinary Institute of America, or maybe even the Cordon Bleu if I'm feeling froggy and want to try out France.  What's not to like about getting paid to learn?

I've gotten a lot of questions from friends and family about "What's next?"  In the past leading up to this point, the answer was always a bit cagey.  After repeated questioning that started to annoy me, my answer has been, "Nothing."  Despite any and all attempts to explain the plan and the point of it, and asking for zero assistance from anyone, you're still labeled the same as the vagrant uncle who spent their entire adult life bumming from family household to household.  What I've found fascinating and succinctly poignant is that while there are plenty of people who know how to accumulate wealth, most don't know how to calculate how much is enough and when it's time to drawdown wealth.  For reference, I'm at 50x expenses and 2% WR.  I'm feeling comfortable with my independence. 

I'll definitely miss some of the people and interesting things I was afforded to do.  But, as a great poet once put it, "It's been a hell of a ride, but I'm thinking it's time to go."

Bang.  July 15 2022

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1661 on: August 02, 2022, 08:43:51 AM »
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I've gotten a lot of questions from friends and family about "What's next?"  In the past leading up to this point, the answer was always a bit cagey.  After repeated questioning that started to annoy me, my answer has been, "Nothing."  Despite any and all attempts to explain the plan and the point of it, and asking for zero assistance from anyone, you're still labeled the same as the vagrant uncle who spent their entire adult life bumming from family household to household. 
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You nailed one of the reasons why I haven't hung up the protractor yet...  Does there really HAVE to be a next?  Just because I'm in my 40's and fit as a fiddle doesn't mean I need to contribute to this mess the US calls an economy!  I'm not going to ask anyone for money, so what's wrong with watching Netflix for a few months...

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« Reply #1662 on: August 02, 2022, 10:52:50 AM »
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I've gotten a lot of questions from friends and family about "What's next?"  In the past leading up to this point, the answer was always a bit cagey.  After repeated questioning that started to annoy me, my answer has been, "Nothing."  Despite any and all attempts to explain the plan and the point of it, and asking for zero assistance from anyone, you're still labeled the same as the vagrant uncle who spent their entire adult life bumming from family household to household. 
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You nailed one of the reasons why I haven't hung up the protractor yet...  Does there really HAVE to be a next?  Just because I'm in my 40's and fit as a fiddle doesn't mean I need to contribute to this mess the US calls an economy!  I'm not going to ask anyone for money, so what's wrong with watching Netflix for a few months...

I think a lot of people don't have the intelligence and creativity or lack an inquisitive mind in order to keep themselves amused without the formal structure of a job or school.

8 hrs sleeping
2.5 hrs eating or preparing
1 hr reading the news
1 hr reading a novel
1.5 hr exercise
2 hrs playing with kids
1 hr honey do list/chores
.5 hr nap
2 hr alone time with spouse
2 hrs socializing with friends or family

That leaves a half hour that I would be bored out of my mind ;)  Not much time for work or some grand life project.
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« Reply #1663 on: August 02, 2022, 01:21:43 PM »
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I've gotten a lot of questions from friends and family about "What's next?"  In the past leading up to this point, the answer was always a bit cagey.  After repeated questioning that started to annoy me, my answer has been, "Nothing."  Despite any and all attempts to explain the plan and the point of it, and asking for zero assistance from anyone, you're still labeled the same as the vagrant uncle who spent their entire adult life bumming from family household to household. 
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You nailed one of the reasons why I haven't hung up the protractor yet...  Does there really HAVE to be a next?  Just because I'm in my 40's and fit as a fiddle doesn't mean I need to contribute to this mess the US calls an economy!  I'm not going to ask anyone for money, so what's wrong with watching Netflix for a few months...

I think a lot of people don't have the intelligence and creativity or lack an inquisitive mind in order to keep themselves amused without the formal structure of a job or school.

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That leaves a half hour that I would be bored out of my mind ;)  Not much time for work or some grand life project.

I think a lot of people also have snarky co-workers that accuse them of lacking intelligence and creativity LOL

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« Reply #1664 on: August 02, 2022, 01:21:50 PM »
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What I've found fascinating and succinctly poignant is that while there are plenty of people who know how to accumulate wealth, most don't know how to calculate how much is enough and when it's time to drawdown wealth. 

AMEN! We will run out of time before we run out of money.

Nice report!

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« Reply #1665 on: August 24, 2022, 12:31:52 PM »
I don't know if y'all read the other cohorts, but I read several.  OMG y'all, the 2019 cohort has gone back to work. Please Lord, don't let that happen to us!!

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« Reply #1666 on: August 24, 2022, 12:40:42 PM »
My going back-to-work salary negotiation saga has blessedly come to an end (rejected by Board of Directors, flew too close to the sun) and so I once again have an incredible feeling of freedom! I never wanted the job in the first place but my husband got really excited about the amount of money that was being bandied about. I learned some important lessons about negotiation, interviewing, résumé updating… I do hope to apply some of these lessons to my passion project. I also really need to learn how to say no in a very strong way, especially since the friend who tried to hire me says they still wanna try again after a month or so lol.
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« Reply #1667 on: August 24, 2022, 12:46:37 PM »
I don't know if y'all read the other cohorts, but I read several.  OMG y'all, the 2019 cohort has gone back to work. Please Lord, don't let that happen to us!!

I wonder if the 2023 cohort will be posting this two years from now...  Looks like I'll be in the 2024 cohort, so I'm keeping an eye on all y'all.

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« Reply #1668 on: August 24, 2022, 01:37:04 PM »
All y'all: the proper plural of y'all.

I'm old enough to know never say never.  But I really hope when you check in, I won't be working!

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1669 on: August 24, 2022, 04:26:42 PM »
I used 2021 to move from permanent work to casual work. So, my retirement allows me to cover day to day living expenses with lots of free time. And in 2 years time I may be doing no work at all. Or I may still be doing casual work. Up to me, not my circumstances.

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« Reply #1670 on: August 24, 2022, 08:05:31 PM »
I don't know if y'all read the other cohorts, but I read several.  OMG y'all, the 2019 cohort has gone back to work. Please Lord, don't let that happen to us!!

I just got done checking in there too. Surprised to see so many went back after more than a few years. I figured after a few years in, most would feel secure in their finances and routine.

I quit mid December 2021 and just went back to my former employer this week. I had 7.5 glorious months off but was constantly worried about running out of money (with stats to back it up - it's not a great jump-off year to lean-ish-FIRE).

I'm consulting for a 125% pay increase over my former employee wage, I work only 32 hours per week fully remote, I am doing whatever the "quiet quitting" crap is (meaning I don't have email on my phone, I log off at 5pm, I don't accept meetings on my days off, etc, you know so normal work expectations that don't encroach on your life), and I still kind of regret it.

Over retirement we built up our homestead and we have 75 chickens right now, and this morning it was already 8am and I was enjoying my chicken chores thinking, aw crap I have to eat breakfast and like, show up at some point. You mean I can't just sip my coffee real slow like and hang out with my chickens for as long as I want anymore?! Dumb I know, but it's just having someone else's expectations take priority over your time which causes interruptions in enjoyment and blaaaaaah.

It's short-term. I will maintain balance. It's not my circus. I will accept a fountain of cash while I fix all the shit they broke after I left, and walk away again untethered and without regret. I will get my glorious time back. But for now, it's nearly bedtime, because it's a SCHOOL NIGHT blaaaaaaah.

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Re: 2021 FIRE Cohort
« Reply #1671 on: August 25, 2022, 07:54:46 AM »
I might have something next summer. June-August outside of Denver. Just 3 days a week.

It would be nice to spend the summer in Denver vs Texas!

I've done some consulting work but no more than 20 hrs in a month. It has covered most of my expenses.

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« Reply #1672 on: August 31, 2022, 10:03:27 AM »
I went coast-FIRE/part-time in 2021, with an eye toward late 2022 as possible full retirement date.  At our staff meeting today, it sounds like the late 2022 date won't be necessary (i.e. my employment will continue to be funded for another year without needing to scrounge for business), and late 2023 might be a reasonable target, but that could certainly push out if I find additional opportunities. 

Had you asked me in mid-2021 if I'd be happy working until late 2023...I might've hedged.  However, with the current bear-ish market I've got no problem continuing to work part-time.  It's really not a bad gig.  I'd hoped for some portfolio progress during the past year that obviously hasn't happened, so the budget would still be tighter than I'm comfortable with with no income from work. 

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« Reply #1673 on: September 02, 2022, 07:03:06 AM »
I don't know if y'all read the other cohorts, but I read several.  OMG y'all, the 2019 cohort has gone back to work. Please Lord, don't let that happen to us!!
   

This year we did some Covid-Catch-up trips--Went to Greece (Sailed around the Islands with some Friends) and are now going to Spain/France.  In between we went to South Carolina and Colorado.  I can't imagine giving all this up to return to work...I have a finite amount of years left (knock on wood that it will be many).  I want to spend that time doing things that a fulfill me and my S.O.

In addition to travel, I have taken care of some house needs and tried to expand my hobby interests.  I don't know when I would have time to actually work, even if I wanted :-)

There are times, when my wife and I are having coffee in the morning, when we literally start laughing and say we are glad we don't have to work!

That being said, I guess you can never say never.  However, I just don't see it happening--at least not for me.

I hope all of you are finding you have "enough" and are finding fulfilling ways to spend your time!

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« Reply #1674 on: September 06, 2022, 04:30:06 PM »
That sounds fab @Peter Parker !  Thanks for the update.

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« Reply #1675 on: December 12, 2022, 07:43:47 PM »
One year update for me -

  I'm "homeless" and traveling indefinitely.  Did all my travel in the US and mexico in my van, spent a few months with family.  Spent significant time in CO, TX, NM, AZ, CA, MI, and Baja.  Also a road trip down the Mississippi River. 

Expenses were way under what I expected.  I've given myself a budget of $100 a day, or $36,500 for the year.  Total expenses came in at'... $16.068!

I don't feel like I missed out on much, did some amazing things - great hikes, a via ferrata, whale watching (I kissed a whale), swimming with seals, lots of time in pools, hot springs, and much more!  Got to the ABQ balloon festival and went to several sessions, which was on my bucket list.

18 month update...

In the last 6 months, spent time with family.  Went to Europe, visited NW Italy, Andorra, Barcelona, hiked 500 miles of the Camino de Santiago, NW Spain, Portugal and Gibraltar.  Then crossed to Morocco and visited lots of old towns, did some hiking and rode camel in the Sahara.   

Total expenses after 18 months $28,265, or around $1570 per month.  I expect my 2023 expenses will be higher, there's some exotic travel I'd like to do - possibly Indian subcontinent. 


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« Reply #1676 on: December 12, 2022, 08:03:14 PM »
That's a great update!!

@spartana is looking to do some similar European travel. I think she'll be interested in your update!

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« Reply #1677 on: December 12, 2022, 08:05:51 PM »
One year update for me -

  I'm "homeless" and traveling indefinitely.  Did all my travel in the US and mexico in my van, spent a few months with family.  Spent significant time in CO, TX, NM, AZ, CA, MI, and Baja.  Also a road trip down the Mississippi River. 

Expenses were way under what I expected.  I've given myself a budget of $100 a day, or $36,500 for the year.  Total expenses came in at'... $16.068!

I don't feel like I missed out on much, did some amazing things - great hikes, a via ferrata, whale watching (I kissed a whale), swimming with seals, lots of time in pools, hot springs, and much more!  Got to the ABQ balloon festival and went to several sessions, which was on my bucket list.

18 month update...

In the last 6 months, spent time with family.  Went to Europe, visited NW Italy, Andorra, Barcelona, hiked 500 miles of the Camino de Santiago, NW Spain, Portugal and Gibraltar.  Then crossed to Morocco and visited lots of old towns, did some hiking and rode camel in the Sahara.   

Total expenses after 18 months $28,265, or around $1570 per month.  I expect my 2023 expenses will be higher, there's some exotic travel I'd like to do - possibly Indian subcontinent.

What kind of accommodation did you use in Europe?

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« Reply #1678 on: December 13, 2022, 06:08:06 AM »
Mix of accommodation.  Some Airbnb, some hotels booked on booking/hotels apps.  Found some surprising good deals... in Andorra found an adequate hotel for $28 per night.   I also had 7 nights where I stayed with friends who live in Europe.    On the camino, I mostly stayed in Albergues (hostels) which cost 10-18 euro a night.  In Portugal I was with 3 friends and we mostly had 2 bedroom apartments, except Lisbon, these all cost $100 a night or less.    If I was sharing accommodation, I usually did hotels or apartments, if I was solo I did Airbnb apartments, cheap hotels, or hostels.  In morocco, we had 3 people sharing 2 bedroom apartments, average cost was around $30.     It helped that the dollar was strong vs. the Euro this year... for over a month it was par or even better some days. 

I had a couple "splurges":
* an airbnb overlooking the ocean in Cinque Terre in a winery, included breakfast and dinner was $150/night for 2 people, stayed 2 nights.
* after my camino, the weather wasn't so great, I found an apartment on the beach for $39 a night, stayed 3 nigths.
* we had a really nice apartment in Lisbon, had 3 bathrooms!  I think that was at least $200/night but was split 4 ways.
* In Morocco, we stayed in several Riads, old buildings with gardens or pools in the middle, stained glass, etc.  Morocco was quite cheap for everything. 

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« Reply #1679 on: December 13, 2022, 02:27:31 PM »
I love hearing about the travels! I’m feeling a little stuck at home these days by my old dogs. I love these little dogs to pieces but they’re really hard to leave with a sitter or family because of old age issues and the messes they make. Pets…

I think I want to start something new in 2023 but don’t know what yet. Something that gets me out of the house regularly. And doesn’t require much of a commitment. I got a little bored of my 2022 outside-the-house projects. 

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« Reply #1680 on: December 13, 2022, 07:30:39 PM »
I too loved hearing about the travels.

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« Reply #1681 on: January 30, 2023, 03:40:35 PM »
I'm glad to read some other 2021 cohort stories of how life has been since FIRE.  Hope everyone is doing awesome. 

Now it's close enough to the 2-year anniversary of my FIRE (just about a week late) that I'm giving another update.  In general these past eight months have felt less busy than the first 16 months of FIRE did. 

Life:
Nothing of earth-shattering import over the last year to report since the last update, but I'll write a little bit here anyways.

My video game "backlog" is almost finished and I expect to start on some "new" titles (meaning I haven't owned them already for years) sometime near the end of March.

Exchange student three has been here since August and is okay.  (I guess our first student was a rock-star and we just didn't have any other experiences to appreciate her awesomeness.)  I think the combination of being late, situationally oblivious (how can she get the peanut butter jar out, walk away to go to the bathroom, and just forget she was ever going to make a sandwich?), and poor money management skills (oh boy we've tried!) really take the luster off.  But she is a really nice and sweet girl (though still nothing like how we're raising our daughter). 

I've been doing even more volunteering in the community (thanks to the wife's involvement with our local shelter).  Strange how I'm doing more volunteering but my life feels less busy. 

Finances:
When I started FIRE my stache was 34x spending.  Since then it's varied from 32x to 40x and is at 36x today. 

In 2022 we made our first-, and big- (well it's big to me) IRA -> Roth IRA conversion.  I don't think I broke anything, but we'll see after I've filed my taxes.

We are still using up cash savings in addition to our dividends/interest/small income. The cash buffer is now down to 1.8 years of spending (started FIRE at 2.5 and was at 2.0 last May).  That's right - we spend 0.7 years worth of cash in our first two years of fire (guess our meager cash flow holds up pretty well).   

I haven't actually gone over our 2022 spending yet.  But we should have all the December expenses on our credit card bills by now and I suppose it's worth a few hours just to do a check-in. 

Big Change:
At the end of October a few former co-workers/bosses (from Company D) had heard from a mutual acquaintance (who had been offering me a job ever since I'd FIRE'd) that I wasn't working and they'd started reaching out to me.  Through many fits and starts the conversation progressed until, just today, I got a verbal offer for a fully-remote part-time job.  No resume needed and no references (aside from the above formers who'd apparently spoken so highly of me) - it really does seem to be easier to find work when you don't need (or particularly want) it. 

I'm pretty sure I'll take the gig, since I can fund our family's lifestyle on a mere 800 hours/year (and that'll let us push more of our cash into IRAs since we'll have higher "earned income").  Maybe it'll be a pleasant experience to use my professional training again, in small doses. 

The drawbacks are: I'm giving-up 16-20 hours/week most weeks of the year and I'll have fallen off the FIRE wagon after only two years.  But hey - I can always quit. 

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« Reply #1682 on: January 30, 2023, 05:34:51 PM »
Update.  I am writing a book and I'm looking to get onto a sailboat this year.  Expenses still staying low. 

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« Reply #1683 on: January 30, 2023, 08:54:00 PM »
Awesome updates!

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« Reply #1684 on: January 31, 2023, 03:59:16 AM »
Yes great updates!  Hope the new j*b goes well SHG - always a plus to know that you're not doing it for the money - so if it doesn't work out you have a million options to improve things!

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« Reply #1685 on: January 31, 2023, 10:23:25 AM »
I went coast-FIRE/part-time in 2021, with an eye toward late 2022 as possible full retirement date.  At our staff meeting today, it sounds like the late 2022 date won't be necessary (i.e. my employment will continue to be funded for another year without needing to scrounge for business), and late 2023 might be a reasonable target, but that could certainly push out if I find additional opportunities. 

Had you asked me in mid-2021 if I'd be happy working until late 2023...I might've hedged.  However, with the current bear-ish market I've got no problem continuing to work part-time.  It's really not a bad gig.  I'd hoped for some portfolio progress during the past year that obviously hasn't happened, so the budget would still be tighter than I'm comfortable with with no income from work.

18 months in -

Still Coast-FI/part-time with no immediate exit plans.  Late 2023 remains a possibility for full separation from the job, but we'll see how the funding situation goes.  However, DW's company is on life support.  Maybe they can make it through this roughest of rough patches, but it doesn't look good.  If her job ends, she'll likely be unemployed for a while and look for another part-time, remote gig. 

Zero regrets about the decision to move and go part-time.  Loving the new city and lifestyle.  Kids are basically fully settled now and overall doing better than before the move.  Disappointed that our best friends won't visit us and always expect us to travel to them, but that revelation wouldn't have changed the decision. 

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« Reply #1686 on: January 31, 2023, 06:51:46 PM »
Huh, just realized my 2-year FIRE-versary is coming up in just a few days. My update in brief would be: not having a job is great for having a baby, but I do miss intellectual work. My spouse's FIRE date got delayed due to market problems, and it's now coming up in just a few months. I'm excited for him to have more time and free up more for me to try diving back into some kind of paid work, probably self-employed or entrepreneurial.

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« Reply #1687 on: March 10, 2023, 06:11:49 AM »
Coming up on two years retired now for me. Reflecting on what made work so miserable was forcing myself to try and care about something I didn't care about. I was engaged with my work less than 25% of the time. My goal was just to be perceived as a good employee. Days would drag on watching the clock. My coworkers were cordial but we never really connected.

Now I'm volunteering about 20 hours a week. Engaged 100% of the time. I wake up excited to go volunteer. I love seeing my co-volunteers because we all care about each other and have a common goal. We're all excited and delighted when circumstances require we go above and beyond. At my old job, anything above and beyond would breed resentment.

Anyways, I feel like doing things you actually care about is a way better way to live.

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« Reply #1688 on: March 12, 2023, 12:02:08 AM »
2 year anniversary update! (and, my first post here in two years, proving that the “I’m busier in retirement than I ever was when I was working” trope definitely applies to me!)

My wife and I gave ourselves a 6-month window in which to try out a “normal” retired life, before transitioning to a nomadic life on our bicycles. The first few months were pretty idyllic and close to what I imagined. I hadn’t been very wound up with work, so it took almost no time to wind down. We paid almost no attention to the day of the week, but quickly learned to live life in reverse: if it’s the weekend, stay home! And instead go out on the weekdays to explore the nearly empty trails all over the Cascades, or on long bike rides (applies to more mundane things like grocery shopping too!) With COVID vaccines available, we finally had friends and family come to visit us in Washington, and made several trips to meet with family in various beautiful places.

Then, 4 months in, the bliss was shattered. My wife’s mom, who was due to join us soon in Washington to help clear out and pack up all of our stuff in preparation for our nomadacy, called with crushing news: a cancer diagnosis. Like a true loving mother, her unselfish and sweetly-idiotic concern was mainly about our plans being disrupted. Of course we weren’t having any of that nonsense, and my wife decided to immediately move to New Mexico to be there to support her through treatment. We planned that I’d follow in a month or so, once I closed out the rest of our household. Instead of “messing up” the early days of our retirement, I saw it as the exact (but unpredicted) reason for our retirement. What higher use of our freedom could there be than caring for loved ones in need?

But, cancer, the indefatigable bitch, was naturally determined to take as much advantage of that freedom as it possibly could. It immediately put my mother-in-law into the ICU, which pulled me down to New Mexico just a day or two after my wife arrived, so that I would be there to support her in supporting her mom. Within a week, we were bringing mom home to die. There, my wife and I spent the next week as mom’s 24/7 caregivers, doing some of the hardest work we’ve ever done, work that was painful and numbing, but also incredibly intimate and more-rewarding than any work I ever did in my career.

After she died, we stayed on for a couple more weeks to handle her affairs.

To not have to give a single fuck about our jobs during this terrible month-long period was a tremendous gift. I can't imagine how we could have done it if we were still employed. I know we would have somehow (people do it all the time), but I can't imagine how. Just four months into early retirement, the “disadvantages” of two decades of “scrimping and saving” were repaid in full, and any enjoyment we’d get out of retirement from that point forward would be a bonus.

In the end, mom went so quickly, that there never ended up being any “move” to New Mexico, and we found ourselves back in Washington with time to start our bike tour roughly as planned, if we wanted to. Pissed at her for finding a loophole in her quest to “not disrupt our plans”, and doubting whether it was still the right choice, we went for it and became nomads on the autumn equinox of 2021. What possessions we could not fit on our bicycles sit in our 10ft. x 10ft. storage unit.


Halfway down the Pacific Coast, I met up with some former colleagues in Silicon Valley. The night before, as I pre-wrote some conversation topics in my head, I was mildly shocked to discover that my brain had completely flushed every work-related technical topic from my memory. Like, gone. And gone for a long time already. I mean, I had always been pretty sure that my retirement would stick, with no backsliding, but I had no idea that my subconscious was equally on-board. Or, even more on-board: “man, on the rare chance this guy ever decides he wants to go back to work, that would really suck, so let’s burn down that bridge and make it impossible for him even if he wanted to!”

We took three months to get from Seattle to Southern California, wintered for three months in Baja, took two months in spring/summer 2022 to ride from Chicago to Maine while staying with family in between, and then two months meandering the Maritime provinces of Canada.


By that point, a year into our nomadacy, riding away from her grief had stopped “working” for my wife, and brought our movement to a halt. Literally: her brain began telling her body that it no longer knew how to balance on a bike, and she lost the ability to start. So instead of spending winter 2022/2023 in New Zealand as planned, we decided to shut down the biking for six months, get in some long term visits with family, and then time on our own back in Washington. Once again, having the flexibility to say “this life isn’t working at the moment, let’s change it up” is tremendously valuable. We plan to restart travel in April in the US, then do New Zealand for next winter.

Broadly, I’m not sure if I’m any happier in retirement than I was before. That’s not too surprising given the homeostasis of happiness (and the fact that my job didn’t make me unhappy). And it’s also difficult to disentangle the effects of my wife’s grief from the effects of our retirement. While our chosen lifestyle definitely produces a lot of Instagram-worthy highs, it also comes with a lot of stresses, many due to the complete absence of the routines and predictability that accompany a more-settled life.  Essentially there is a much higher day-to-day variance in happiness-level than before, but since the average remains largely the same, I think that’s a win. One of the most delightful discoveries recently was when news of sweeping layoffs in tech surfaced; my habitual chest-tightening reflex reaction was to think “oh, shit, is this going to affect me?”, but this time that quickly got replaced with the realization that I never need to worry about my life being derailed by the semi-random whims of an employer ever again! Ahhhhh….glorious!

Ok, money. We’re some of the least-Mustachian bicycle-based nomads out there. We do far more hotel/AirBNB stays and other pampering than most people living a similar lifestyle. Beyond our inherent wussiness, probably the biggest reason is that most people living this life don’t have the financial resources that we do. But I’m also aware that living less-pampered would likely shorten the duration that we’d continue to enjoy this lifestyle, so it’s a tradeoff. Our expenses are highly-variable (we’ve stayed in Maine campgrounds that cost 3 times what a Baja hotel cost) but it seems to have averaged out to about $70k/year. That’s about a 2% WR (of our retirement day NW). We don’t own any real-estate, which, on one hand, simplifies the calculation (all our “housing” expenses are quite transparent, and unlike MMM’s calculation, included in that WR). But since we likely will want to purchase a home at some point, it makes it difficult to know if we “really” have a 2% withdrawal rate right now.

In summary, retirement hasn’t precisely followed my expectations thus far, but that’s probably a good thing, and I definitely have no regrets!

We're going to start rolling again in about a month, we always love when people follow along on Instagram, or you can read the novel's-worth of words I've written already at https://www.neilandrett.com (if you thought this post was long...!)


whale watching (I kissed a whale), swimming with seals

haha, sounds familiar @JoJo ! Are you one of the people I talked about FIRE with at Ojo de Liebre?! (ok, I didn't actually kiss a whale, but my wife did! It was literally the entire reason we went to Baja!)

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« Reply #1689 on: March 12, 2023, 01:50:47 AM »
Thank you so much for this update! Fantastic detail and insights. I am so sorry for your loss of your mom. I (also 2021) experienced a very similar if slightly longer (~5 months) struggle of losing my parent to an agressive and fast cancer in my first year of FIRE. The ability to be there for them during that time with not a single care spent on stupid work items was priceless. I know exactly the feeling.

I also know the “not happier” feeling… I do think once you thoroughly explore/exercise the feeling of complete freedom from work and financial stress, you may find yourself facing a new search for purpose, projects, etc. At least I am. But life is definitely better than before FIRE. Definitely.

And the purging of the professional knowledge from my brain happened to me too! I mean, it’s buried in there, but at least I have clarity that of all the things I could pursue in the future, that door my brain has easily closed.

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« Reply #1690 on: March 14, 2023, 12:30:45 PM »
@skyrefuge  Yep!  Definitely have met you on Shari's boat trip (that one sucked... did a $50 later trip that was much better) and again at the Escondida camp on Bahia Concepcion.  Small world!

My winter was good, spent a bit over a month bopping between Yuma, Quartzsite, and Lake Havasu, hanging out with camping friends and attending a "bash" of other RV nomads.  Nearing the end of my 2 month stay in a California RV resort where I dry camp in my minivan.  Spend the day doing lots of activities, fitness, reading, and an ocassional trip off campus.  Heading north on April 1.  Expenses extremely low this last 3 months, probably around $1100-1200 per month, all included. 

Wasn't sure what my taxes would be this year since 2021 was a big year with pay, bonus, and pension... had too pay in quite a bit  ... found out my 2022 annual pension payment withheld way too much so a decent refund coming this year.   

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« Reply #1691 on: June 02, 2023, 01:42:31 PM »
Coming up on my 2 year anniversary of FIRE.  Things haven't been great lately, dealing with ailing parents, selling the family home, drivng back and forth from the hospital 30 minutes away since neither are driving, downsizing for the last 6 weeks.  I had been using my folks place to store things but had to find a new place since they're selling the house (got a she shed).  Expenses have been extremely low since I've been living at the family home and helping them out.  Expect this to continue another 6 weeks or more and want to stick around the area for much of the summer.  Average monthly expenses still at $1500/month but expect to rise when I start traveling again.  Turned 50 and the present was a $50 increase in monthly health premiums!   

On a side note, the cost of being elderly is shocking!   Now have one parent in nursing home and the other moved to assisted living ~ around $15K/ mo.  Hoping to have them both at assisted living, but lots of recovery first.   

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« Reply #1692 on: July 01, 2023, 05:53:27 AM »
Happy anniversary to me (and DH); happy anniversary to me (and DH); happy anniversary to meeeee (and DH); happy anniversary to me (and DH)!!

Two years today. I wake up grateful everyday. I'm slightly busier than I like but that's because I fill my days with either things I love to do or taking care of elderly parents. I'm not giving up either of those things so I'm satisfied being slightly busier than I want.

Net worth day was yesterday. We still aren't back to our starting amount (market drops are an entirely different ballgame when you are withdrawing instead of contributing), but we still have a ridiculous amount of money. So all good there.

Hope all is well with my 2021 Cohort friends!

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« Reply #1693 on: August 01, 2023, 09:26:55 PM »
I quit mid December 2021 and just went back to my former employer this week. I had 7.5 glorious months off but was constantly worried about running out of money (with stats to back it up - it's not a great jump-off year to lean-ish-FIRE).

JULY you beautiful month, I could kiss you. And with that we're back on track.

We're hopefully a tad wiser this time. We learned a lesson about leanish-FIREing with a homestead, a little ambition and a lot of time on our hands. I'm going for a bit of a cushion this time. But the end is in sight again finally and it feels fantastic. I don't ever want to hear the words "Deep Dive" or "Fast Follow" or "Lean In" again. Getting a taste of freedom and then landing back in the Corporate world is stupidly painful. Zero stars, not recommended. I should be done with these workplace shenanigans again by the end of the year. Then it's just you and me and a long winter, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom.

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« Reply #1694 on: August 06, 2023, 08:18:19 PM »
Big plans for me... still dealing with the elderly parent stuff but the work is letting up and I've taken some short regional trips.  in mid September I'm getting on a sailboat with a stranger for 3 months!

I know it sounds crazy, but we've been talking daily for over a month... video calls and chats, sending videos, etc.  We seem quite compatible.  After a month of training, day sails, and hanging out in Curacao (with rental car), two more people join and we will sail to some different islands.   We plan to stay together until mid December, but I have back up plans if things don't work out. 

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« Reply #1695 on: August 14, 2023, 03:49:22 PM »
Big plans for me... still dealing with the elderly parent stuff but the work is letting up and I've taken some short regional trips.  in mid September I'm getting on a sailboat with a stranger for 3 months!

I know it sounds crazy, but we've been talking daily for over a month... video calls and chats, sending videos, etc.  We seem quite compatible.  After a month of training, day sails, and hanging out in Curacao (with rental car), two more people join and we will sail to some different islands.   We plan to stay together until mid December, but I have back up plans if things don't work out.
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« Reply #1696 on: January 29, 2024, 07:17:02 AM »
Hey folks,

I often load up this topic to see how everyone's doing, but since it's been so quiet thought I'd throw in my three cents (adjusted for inflation).

The stash has grown since 2021 and the fears of running out of money have slowly transformed into there's never enough time. The Rich Broke Dead calculator shows that even adding income later in life doesn't help if you're dead. Stop checking stock quotes and start going for walks in nature.

I also recently realized that I was lacking some of the structure and recognition I had when working. Those are internal things that I can rebuild through other outlets, but wound up being displaced onto the people in my life unintentionally. If you've got room in your budget for therapy or even time to look inward at why you feel certain ways or make certain choices, it can be incredibly illuminating. Small mental changes can lead to a far more enjoyable peace for you and those around you.

Hope you're all doing well and enjoying your limited time on this floating space rock!

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« Reply #1697 on: January 29, 2024, 04:41:19 PM »
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Getting a taste of freedom and then landing back in the Corporate world is stupidly painful.

My old boss (who I liked a lot) just asked me to do some contract work. I thought about it. Who doesn’t want more money… BUT AT WHAT COST?!

“Let me know, let’s get rolling so I can introduce you to the team.” I said thanks, but I just didn’t have time. The truth is I can’t fake the motivation.
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« Reply #1698 on: January 29, 2024, 04:49:20 PM »
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Getting a taste of freedom and then landing back in the Corporate world is stupidly painful.

My old boss (who I liked a lot) just asked me to do some contract work. I thought about it. Who doesn’t want more money… BUT AT WHAT COST?!

“Let me know, let’s get rolling so I can introduce you to the team.” I said thanks, but I just didn’t have time. The truth is I can’t fake the motivation.

I have had old coworkers reach out to me on Facebook to try and get me to come back supplemental so I can cover their vacations.  Sorry, moved too far away.

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« Reply #1699 on: January 30, 2024, 07:37:26 PM »
At the end of October a few former co-workers/bosses (from Company D) had heard from a mutual acquaintance (who had been offering me a job ever since I'd FIRE'd) that I wasn't working and they'd started reaching out to me.  Through many fits and starts the conversation progressed until, just today, I got a verbal offer for a fully-remote part-time job.  No resume needed and no references (aside from the above formers who'd apparently spoken so highly of me) - it really does seem to be easier to find work when you don't need (or particularly want) it. 

I'm pretty sure I'll take the gig, since I can fund our family's lifestyle on a mere 800 hours/year (and that'll let us push more of our cash into IRAs since we'll have higher "earned income").  Maybe it'll be a pleasant experience to use my professional training again, in small doses. 

The drawbacks are: I'm giving-up 16-20 hours/week most weeks of the year and I'll have fallen off the FIRE wagon after only two years.  But hey - I can always quit.

This section of my last update didn't age well, except that last sentence.  I was hired and started working in March of 2023.  It went well for two or three months, but then just turned into mind-numbing busywork and poor utilization (permit applications, writing reports, actually doing some design on a project just to have it given to another employee).  Any semblance of work stopped in July, but I kept checking-in weekly until the end of December when I just wrote my "Dear John" letter and turned-in all the company-issued equipment.  I'd hazard that my part-time nature probably made it hard for management wrap their heads around how to utilize me and that just left me totally disengaged from the company, co-workers, and what little bit of (actual) work I did do.  BUT - at least I got a free lunch out of it on my first day so the whole thing wasn't a complete loss (oh - and the pay was fine, too; really I shouldn't complain about doing paperwork for the rate they were paying me, but I was never doing this for the money so I will complain). 

How else is life going?  I'm even more involved in volunteering and local governance than I was previously.  I played all the new videogames I'd wanted to and am now going back through old (some 1980s-old) games I'd played when I was young and didn't really know what I was doing; it's interesting to play those games now that I'm older and have a totally different mindset.  We replaced the furnace and AC in our house, and re-did some duct work (which had an undersized cold-air return for new systems). 

Finances are rolling along because 2023 was a kick-butt year for the broad market.  Between the wife's income, dividends, interest, and my part-year/part-time job last year we nearly funded all our expenses!

Rock on for another year, 2021-ers!