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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2400 on: January 02, 2025, 01:09:37 AM »
We don't think about money very much anymore, though I try to do a manual accounting summary a few times a year just to keep on eye on things.  Yesterday's year-end summary suggests that our invested assets have roughly doubled in size since I retired in 2018.

In retrospect, looking at my working career feels like looking back at high school.  It's like this part of my life's ancient history that felt super important and stressful at the time, but from the vantage point of adulthood you just have to laugh at how silly it all was.  Yes, you had to go to class and get good grades but all of the stressors and the social pressures and the identity crises, which seemed like existential threats at the time, are now obviously the byproducts of a weirdly unnatural social experiment for kids with half-finished brain development.  Why did we care who was voted prom queen, or which of your friends got the same fifth period math class, or who got cut from the tennis team?  None of that stupid shit really mattered, right?

My old job feels just like that now.  A ridiculously contrived social experiment in which we all did our honest best to succeed at things that totally didn't matter.  Even in cases where I felt my work was meaningful and important, in retrospect I was making those measurements in units of dollars and it turns out dollars aren't real.  I still attend a monthly retiree-breakfast with some of my former coworkers, and hearing them reminisce about it is EXACTLY like going back to your childhood hometown as an adult and listening to the townies reminisce about their high school glory days.  Sometimes funny, but ultimately kind of pathetic and depressing.  Why haven't you moved on to bigger and better things?  

Retired life is good.  Without a professional identity you get to decide who and what you are as a person.  It's freeing, in a way, because with almost no monetary constraints you have very few limitations and also (even more importantly) zero expectations.  Even the best job in the world requires you to do certain things at certain times, and those expectations become restrictions become burdens become prisons of your own making.  Once you buy your financial freedom all of that falls away, and it's suddenly pretty obvious that virtually every job makes the worker a slave of sorts.  You must produce wealth for someone else, or else you will be homeless and hungry.  You must obey these rules for dress, speech, timeliness, haircut, deference, quotas.  We accept this as the normal state of things.  Give a man a few million dollars and a paid-off house, and he can reject all of that and self-actualize for the first time in his life.  Who knows what you'll become?

My partner and I are still busy.  I won't bore you with too many specifics, but we're still maintaining a full schedule every day.  We work when we want to (even for money, sometimes!), we travel when we want to, we support our kids and our aging parents in ways that wouldn't be possible with full time jobs.  We contribute to causes we believe in, we spend time with friends, we host family gatherings, we go on adventures.  Every day I'm grateful for the years I spent being too frugal in my 20s and 30s because they bought me freedom from my 40s onwards.

For all of you still plugging away, inching towards your retirement goal, just know that it's absolutely worth it.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2401 on: January 02, 2025, 03:40:52 AM »
Very nicely put Sol.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2402 on: January 02, 2025, 05:59:26 AM »
How is everyone in this cohort doing?

We're doing ridiculously well.   

I've learned to draw, printmaking, and bookbinding.  I'm also learning to paint with watercolors and gouache.

I already knew how to write technical material and fiction, but I learned how to create inspiration instead of having to wait for it to show up.  I've written one fantasy book (~157,000 words) and parts of 3 prequels and 1 sequel (totaling ~300,000 words).   The arts I mentioned earlier will be used to illustrate them.

I'll be binding a number of copies of the finished book and illustrating it this year.  Hopefully, I'll finish at least one of the prequels, too!

Our net worth has continued to rise with no real effort on our part.   Rental houses are worth gobs more than we paid for them and still turn a nice profit without us gouging our tenants.   

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2403 on: January 02, 2025, 08:01:31 AM »
Great to see these updates from you both. Very nice post @sol

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2404 on: January 02, 2025, 08:14:51 AM »
I joined this Cohort and then didn't FIRE until 2020, but I never did join a new Cohort so I'll post a quick update here. ~4.5 years in life is great. On the financial side my NW is a lot higher than when I retired and I feel like I am past SORR concerns. My days are so busy it's hard to remember how I managed with a FT gig in the picture. I'm doing lots of fun sporty things enjoying my health and free time. One of my buddies retired this fall so I've got someone whose free to ski and bike with.

The only downside so far is my GF is still working FT and it's not clear when she'll retire. I'm trying to be a good role model!

No regrets about retirement other than I should have done it sooner.

All the best to everyone in the cohort for a great 2025!

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2405 on: January 02, 2025, 10:42:50 AM »
After 6 years of FIREment, it's shocking how much our activities, goals, and priorities have shifted. Our lives look nothing like what I had originally anticipated. Wealth has never been an issue, but unrealized capital gains and lack of demonstrable income were a nuisance when considering a new mortgage. Health insurance hasn't been a concern, thanks to the ACA.

The most surprising transformation for me has been in my attitude towards my old job. I thought I'd "put down my tools" and never look back, while pursuing new knowledge and skills. I did that for a while, but somewhere around year 3 or 4, I came to the realization that I actually kind of liked the specialized work that I did. If I found a role aligned with my values today, I'd probably even go back to work!

Fortunately, the industry seems to be stampeding away from my values, so I should be safe from the Internet Retirement Police for the foreseeable future.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2406 on: January 02, 2025, 11:16:59 AM »
Glad to see you back @sol, we have missed your insights on the forum.

FIRE for me started on a big downer when I fell sick with GBS(guillain-barré syndrome) and then spent the next year recovering. Financially,FIRE has been great. Taking the plunge into FIRE was scaring, but FIRE has been a breeze.

What was surprising was what I did in retirement. My plans were to travel the world and I had a bucket list of destinations. GBS threw a spanner in that plan as my neurologist limited me to travel in US/Canada and western Europe(also India). I did a few trips to Europe, India and National parks in the US. For some reason, my wander lust has gone. I was always interested in photography and during GBS fell in love with birding. So, bird photography was the next progression. Last year, I attempted to do some landscape photography. I've attached what I think was my best work, the Harvest moon rising over St. Pete Pier.

I have also done a lot of work in the new(for me) home that we moved into during Covid. Building closets, a semi-finished basement which I documented in the DIY group here. Gardening, which was not on my radar, was something that I worked a lot with.

Overall, I am very happy that I retired when I did. I have more money now than what I had when I retired even with withdrawal every year.
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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2407 on: January 05, 2025, 08:07:12 PM »
We don't think about money very much anymore, though I try to do a manual accounting summary a few times a year just to keep on eye on things.  Yesterday's year-end summary suggests that our invested assets have roughly doubled in size since I retired in 2018.

In retrospect, looking at my working career feels like looking back at high school.  It's like this part of my life's ancient history that felt super important and stressful at the time, but from the vantage point of adulthood you just have to laugh at how silly it all was.  Yes, you had to go to class and get good grades but all of the stressors and the social pressures and the identity crises, which seemed like existential threats at the time, are now obviously the byproducts of a weirdly unnatural social experiment for kids with half-finished brain development.  Why did we care who was voted prom queen, or which of your friends got the same fifth period math class, or who got cut from the tennis team?  None of that stupid shit really mattered, right?

My old job feels just like that now.  A ridiculously contrived social experiment in which we all did our honest best to succeed at things that totally didn't matter.  Even in cases where I felt my work was meaningful and important, in retrospect I was making those measurements in units of dollars and it turns out dollars aren't real.  I still attend a monthly retiree-breakfast with some of my former coworkers, and hearing them reminisce about it is EXACTLY like going back to your childhood hometown as an adult and listening to the townies reminisce about their high school glory days.  Sometimes funny, but ultimately kind of pathetic and depressing.  Why haven't you moved on to bigger and better things? 

Retired life is good.  Without a professional identity you get to decide who and what you are as a person.  It's freeing, in a way, because with almost no monetary constraints you have very few limitations and also (even more importantly) zero expectations.  Even the best job in the world requires you to do certain things at certain times, and those expectations become restrictions become burdens become prisons of your own making.  Once you buy your financial freedom all of that falls away, and it's suddenly pretty obvious that virtually every job makes the worker a slave of sorts.  You must produce wealth for someone else, or else you will be homeless and hungry.  You must obey these rules for dress, speech, timeliness, haircut, deference, quotas.  We accept this as the normal state of things.  Give a man a few million dollars and a paid-off house, and he can reject all of that and self-actualize for the first time in his life.  Who knows what you'll become?

My partner and I are still busy.  I won't bore you with too many specifics, but we're still maintaining a full schedule every day.  We work when we want to (even for money, sometimes!), we travel when we want to, we support our kids and our aging parents in ways that wouldn't be possible with full time jobs.  We contribute to causes we believe in, we spend time with friends, we host family gatherings, we go on adventures.  Every day I'm grateful for the years I spent being too frugal in my 20s and 30s because they bought me freedom from my 40s onwards.

For all of you still plugging away, inching towards your retirement goal, just know that it's absolutely worth it.

Eloquent and accurate! Amazing, thank you @sol !

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #2408 on: January 12, 2025, 06:01:43 AM »
I see I'm not the only one to have felt the nostalgic pull to check in on this thread.  Nearly seven years have passed since I left the working world, which now feels like a previous life.  My kids, who were grade school students at the time, have grown into full-fledged teenagers.  The pressures and stresses and demands of working life have evaporated without a trace.  I've probably travelled and hiked and cooked and read for pleasure and lazed around more in any one of these past few years than over the course of my entire working career.  My days are so full (from a healthy mix of pursuing my passions and carrying out the mundane chores of ordinary family life) that I find it hard to remember how I ever had the time or mental energy for a day job.  Retired life has quickly and completely filled that vacuum.

In retrospect, looking at my working career feels like looking back at high school.  It's like this part of my life's ancient history that felt super important

I now feel much the same way about FIRE itself.  For at least half a decade, I felt like my pursuit of financial independence defined me.  It was the single most salient aspect of my life, providing me with an overarching life goal, a secret identity unknown to my colleagues at the office, and an online community of kindred spirits to engage with.  My mind was totally absorbed by matters of financial independence, like a high school student obsessing over teenage problems.  How many more months until freedom from wage slavery?  Are there better ways to optimize my finances?  Will the cool kids on the forum notice my latest post?  That single-mindedness has now faded away into ancient history.  Today I hardly think about financial independence at all; I just reap its glorious benefits, spending my life the way I want to spend it.  It's only when I find myself in a reflective mood, like I am right now, that I stop and reminisce about the journey that got me here—the wonder years of FIRE, before my commencement as a member of the Class of 2018.