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$1M in 10 years living half mustachian?
« on: November 20, 2014, 02:37:07 PM »
Hi all,

I'm a new member but have been reading the forums for a while. My wife and I are not sold on going to the extreme some of the members here go to in order to save money, but I enjoy reading the discussions to get new ideas. I feel like I have a lot to add to some of the tax planning and investing discussions.

Our goal is to be semi financially independent by the time we are 40 in 12 years. By this I mean, I'd like to have the option to work part time as an engineer and handy man; my wife would like to teach yoga and work as a personal trainer.

Assets:

EF: 22K - CD / Vanguard
Retirement: 135K - Vanguard, 401k, and Interactive brokers
Home renovation account: 10K
rental EF: 3K
other cash: 2K
Home: 220k
Rental: 85K - nets $140 after HOA and mortgage (saved in rental EF)
Two cars: 0k - we will drive them till they die

Debts:

Mortgage on home: 168k
Mortgage on condo: 60K

Spending:

$4850 per month

Major contributors:
$1180 mortgage
$700 renovation
$500 grocery + liquor store
$400 eating out
$400 travel


Income:

$6580 per month average after tax, 401k, healthcare/hsa

Monthly Savings:

Trad 401Ks - 1250
HSA - $540
Roth/Trad IRA - $604/$863
Home Renovation - $1440

Left over ~$300

The plan:

We are in the process of renovating our house right now. It should be worth ~300k when complete. We put nearly 10k in it over the passed year and have another 40k to go. We are doing most of the work ourselves. Once the home renovation is complete this will free up another 17k in cash flow per year. We are shooting to be done in two years.

Current savings rate is ~32K/yr a little over 25%. After the renovation is done we should be able to max out the 401ks and have about 4k left after tax from our current 17k renovation budget (401ks are currently at 15k/yr)

This puts us on track to save about 1.1M @ 6% ROR in 12 years at which point we can start withdrawing at a 2.5% rate and make up the other 25k of spending doing fun jobs. I plan to continue working part time at this point and should still bring in 40K per year after tax.

The unknowns in our plan:

1. The possibility of having kids in a few years.

For new parents, how did children affect your budget?

2. My wife may go back to school for a healthcare related job. She has a passion for physical fitness and health and we are toying with the idea of her going back to school for an associates degree. The new job would be a 5k a year pay cut.

Has anyone gone back to school to make less money?

3. We would like to buy more rental properties.

I'd like to buy 2 duplexes netting $200/month per unit. Has anyone toyed with doing this through an IRA holding co or am I better off doing this after tax?

4. We can obviously trim from our budget. We may consider selling the rental/rentals and buying a house outright in a better school district when/if we have middle school aged children. The house should be worth 350k and we would owe 125k at that point.

Has anyone else bought a home to renovate to do a slow 15-yr flip?

Am I missing anything huge in our 10-12 year plan? I know MMM lives off about 25k per year, but even living at twice that amount of spending with a 40% savings rate, you can build a very nice nest egg in a decade.

   







 
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Re: $1M in 10 years living half mustachian?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 12:23:53 PM »

For new parents, how did children affect your budget?   
 

I have two boys; one is 5 years old, the other is 5 months old.

The oldest cost about $1K in terms of pre-natal, delivery, and post-natal care. The youngest cost about $4K, but the difference was mostly a function of the different healthcare plans I had with different employers at the time they were born.

The cost of food is negligible at this point. That will change when they hit adolescence. When they're very young, your wife can be their primary source of nutrients. The cost of formula is a different story, and I don't know how much formula costs. Studies have shown that breast-feeding enhances both the child's immune system and his intellect. We're strong advocates of breast feeding.

Depending upon the size of your and your wife's extended families, you'll be showered with baby clothes (pun intended). If you have more than one child, you'll have both the hand-me-downs from the first child and new clothes for the second. It helps to have children who are all the same gender, but at such a very young age the gender doesn't matter. A baby is a baby. If you have two boys or two girls, you'll have too much clothing for the youngest by the time he or she is a year old. Children grow so quickly that consignment shops, Ebay, Craigslist, and even Goodwill are swamped with high-quality, clean children's clothing. Let the grandparents indulge them with new clothes, but get most of their clothing from those other sources. Again, this will change by the time they hit adolescence. I think having boys is cheaper than having girls in this regard. (I have many nieces)

Diapers and pullups can be expensive, but you're likely to receive these as gifts as well.  I think we spent about $500 total on Boy #1's diapers and pullups through the years. He's wearing X-Men superhero underwear now. We tried modern cloth diapers on Boy #2. So far, it's been no fun. We'll try again when he's about a year old. I won't go into detail, but things change at approx. 1 year old, and cloth diapers are better suited after those changes materialize. Cloth diapers will likely save a few hundred diapers, and they are better for the environment. But don't underestimate the value that disposable diapers add to your happiness.

Toys are like clothes, only more abundant. Children outgrow toys, and you'll find good quality toys everywhere. Try garage sales and Ebay. Aunts, uncles, older cousins, and grand parents will all shower your kids with toys. We have so many toys that we need to smuggle them out of the house when Boy #1 is sleeping to make room for more, and we generally don't spend our own money for toys.

As for schools; this is where it gets expensive. You'll either pay for good private schools, or you'll pay for real estate in a neighborhood with good public schools. We did the latter; in fact we bought a relatively inexpensive house (~$400K) in the best school district in our state. Our house is a mile from the elementary and middle schools, and two miles from the high school. The mean home price in our zip code is more than $600K. It took years to find our house, and we pounced when it hit the market. It went to contract before we could bid, but that contract fell through and we were stunned to learn that we had the house. If you're going with public-schools and need to change school zones, I recommend positioning yourself to pounce on a home early as possible.

Obviously, life with children is more expensive than without. But it doesn't have to be exponentially more expensive. For example: We like to go camping, so we need a bigger tent and more sleeping bags, but we don't need bigger vehicles. The incremental cost of having more than one is low, especially if they're the same gender.

College costs are a different story. We have a 529 in place, but we have no intention of paying all college costs. I expect the landscape of higher education to be very different by the time Boy #1 is 18 (2027). I don't believe that costs can continue to rise at their current pace, and student loan debt cannot continue to grow at its current pace. Rising costs and rising debt only serve to erode the value of a college education. My wife and I both have Master's degrees with no student loan debt, and we both agree that going into debt to obtain those degrees wouldn't be worthwhile.





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Re: $1M in 10 years living half mustachian?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 05:05:08 PM »
Barring any unexpected medical expenses or special needs, the cost of children is really up to you.  We have two kiddos and, other than the outrageous cost of daycare, our budget has been only minimally impacted.  My children are still very young, so I don't know about those pesky teen years where they gorge themselves on food and activities.  If you buy everything new, it can be really expensive.  If you let people know you are open to hand me downs, they will come.  I have only bought a couple shirts for my daughter since her birth over a year ago because friends and family have lots of adorable clothing they want to see someone enjoy. 

In addition to the free activities our city offers, we ask for passes to local attractions and lessons for Christmas and Birthday gifts from relatives.  A couple months ago we got the children's book "Too Many Toys" from the library (I think that is what it is called).  The book chronicled a child with lots of toys and lamented that toys came from every relative, appointment, party, and activity attended.  It's true.  We just went to a holiday party and came home with two small bags of toy party favors.  You won't be able to get them out of your house fast enough.


 

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