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« Reply #1150 on: February 18, 2016, 08:06:33 AM »
(I've never had a monkeybowl. All this talk is making me curious.... :D)

It's my last day. Technically I'll be ending my Whole30 tonight at dinner.
I'm not sure what to feel?

I definitely feel proud. I can't BELIEVE I have not had a bread product, a sugar product, or alcohol in 30 days. I did not know I had that sort of willpower in me. At all. I passed up so many things, and it was possible for me to make that decision. I was in control. THAT is, I think, the take-away for me from my Whole 30 experience.

I also feel slightly saddened? I didn't experience a magical girl Sailor Moon transformation. I feel good. But I didn't feel *awful* before. And I still sometimes have sad poops. I'm not sure what I was expecting. So many people have had such amazing experiences. And mine was certainly positive! But it wasn't transformative.

I have changed how I approach food. And I've mentally shifted several ways I wouldn't have pre-Whole 30. I cook meat (occasionally) now. And I'm no longer using 'filler' foods the way I was before (rice specifically). I will likely try another Whole 30 in April. :) I didn't get to all the recipes I wanted to try!

For my re-entry into Regular People Food... I'm not sure where I'll start. I'm 90% sure I have an issue with soy (part of what rocketed me into doing this thing) and I'm apprehensive about trying that to confirm it. For the next few days I think I'll ease in gently. Wine with dinner. And some lactose free (and soy free...) ice cream. ;)

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You guys are amazing. I can't believe I did this. Thank you.
I'll still be here. Even though I'll be re-introing, much of what I eat will be the same. And I want to support you guys as much as you've supported me. And... I'll likely be back for my second Whole 30 at some point. ;)

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« Reply #1151 on: February 18, 2016, 08:36:13 AM »
Orvell, I read your poop updates with interest.  I have problems in that area, and 10 days in, I see no changes.  I am not sure what to do as I have eliminated everything from my diet that I perceived to be causing me problems.  I really thought it would be dairy and/or sugar.

People have got me dying to make a monkey bowl.  I have to pick up some coconut milk tonight, but then I am set for those.

I also found a bacon/pepper/zucchini frittata to make this weekend to shake up my breakfast rut next week.  My husband will be travelling for two weeks for work, so I will definitely have an easier time since I won't have to stretch the food quite as far.

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« Reply #1152 on: February 18, 2016, 08:50:18 AM »
Congrats Orvell!! 

I didn't experience a magical girl Sailor Moon transformation. I feel good. But I didn't feel *awful* before. And I still sometimes have sad poops. I'm not sure what I was expecting. So many people have had such amazing experiences. And mine was certainly positive! But it wasn't transformative.

That's interesting and how I think I will end up feeling.  I think if you started from a really bad place (fast food, soda and beer every day), you would probably see a huge difference.  But it sounds like you started from a generally good place, like me.  I didn't drink alcohol or soda and ate no fast food before I started the program.  I prepared all my meals, mostly from scratch.  The only concern I had and wanted to address was excessive consumption of sugary treats and reliance on carbs as the basis of a lot of my meals.  So I agree, that this program is useful but not life-changing for people like us.



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« Reply #1153 on: February 18, 2016, 08:58:52 AM »
Great update Orvell! It sounds like you are pretty similar to my sister, she definitely didn't have as far to go as I did, but she still saw lots of benefits. Will be interesting to see how your reintro goes. The only thing I can suggest is to take it easy and methodical. Most people have had issues where they try to reintro things that have more than one possible trigger in it or don't spend enough time re-introducing one group. Sometimes the effects are immediate; sometimes they aren't.

RE Poop: It is always a bit of a balancing act. It is something to pay attention to and adjust. It can take 1-4 days depending on the amount of fiber for something you eat to work it's way through your system. One thing I noticed during our first whole 30 is we weren't eating as many fermented and probiotics as we usually do (no yogurt or kefir) and my gut really wasn't a fan. We started making and eating more veggie ferments and life returned to normal.

If you are still having major issues and can't isolate it, you might need to try a GAPS, FODMAP or autoimmune proticol. There is a brief overview and how it fits with Whole 30 here: http://whole30.com/2013/06/expanded-iswf-shopping-lists/

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« Reply #1154 on: February 18, 2016, 09:21:54 AM »
I've always had the Andy Dwyer problem when pooping: "Sometimes when I poop I wipe, and wipe, and wipe, 100 times... still poop. It's like I'm wiping a marker." I've discovered 2 things that help: psyllium husks and baby wipes.

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« Reply #1155 on: February 18, 2016, 09:25:26 AM »
Thank you AmandaPanda! The poops are something I'm going to continue to experiment with fixing. :) I'll definitely let you know if I have any breakthroughs! The solution is out there... somewhere... And likely is far more complicated than I originally thought. Butts! (Literally)

Zizi: :D I think it's important to remember that even non-transformative wins still count? I'm still figuring out how to frame it in my own mind. I learned some things. But I didn't solve everything. But I shouldn't have expected to, either. I truly think the most staggering thing I learned is that I actually have control over what I eat. And that no one can make me eat something I don't want to, for whatever reason, be it that I don't want fire poops, or that I just don't want to eat sugar right now.

Swick: You are always so full of information! I so appreciate it. :) Me and my poop chronicles will be hanging out in this thread for many times to come. ;) You're right on re-intro and caution. I'll take care to head your words. ;) I'm also, though, trying to prep and not shock my system for a vacation I have coming up, in which I will have little to no control over the food available (Costa Rica as part of a group tour) so I want to make sure I do a proper and full re-intro before early March. It will be, like everything, a balancing act.

Re poops:
I just printed out the FODMAP grocery guide! I will be testing this out! I've definitely eaten many things that are grayed out on this list (apples, dates, avocados... to name a few) and it will be interesting to see if they are the culprits. I had pegged dates as a Very Likely suspect myself awhile back, but then it didn't clear up 100% when I cut those out a few days ago, so I got discouraged.
My issues aren't "major" (it's more that there's an unpleasant sense of urgency in the morning, like, that had BEST BE the first thing you do upon getting vertical, and it will exit the corpus in 2 seconds flat) but I'd still like to put an end to them if I can find an identifiable cause. :) And the STUBBORN GOAT in me really wants to find that identifiable cause...

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« Reply #1156 on: February 18, 2016, 09:26:43 AM »
I think if you started from a really bad place (fast food, soda and beer every day), you would probably see a huge difference.

I would like to point out that everyone is different. You can be in a "really bad place" without having fast food, soda and beer every day.

In my case, I lived in an isolated town without consistent access to fresh fruits and veggies so had to rely on grains and filler foods. We did not have a fast food joint in town (wouldn't have gone if we did) I made everything from scratch -  whole grain without "refined" sugar, don't drink soda and had alcohol MAYBE once a month.

It took doing the whole 30 to realize that gluten/grains were the cause of my Fibromyalgia, which left me sick, uninspired to do anything physical  - because even a vigorous house clean would leave me crippled for days.

Everyone is different. How we have developed and how individual foods affect us is going to be different as well. It's really hard not to judge others their history, situations, choices and progress (I have discovered myself falling into this and I really don't like it) - at the end of the day we are all here trying to do the best we can.

We might take different paths after the whole 30. Some people have gone back to eating normally, some have used their new found insights about their personal relationships with food to make different choices. Some have stayed on the Whole 30 train, some have adapted to a Paleo/Keto lifestyle. There are as many ways to go after you finish your whole 30 as reasons that brought you to it :)

What I really like about this, compared to every other fad diet/program/"lifestyle" out there is if you put in the time and effort you finish empowered to know what does and does not work FOR YOU and then, knowing how foods affect you, you are able to make conscious and informed choice about the foods you eat instead of just eating "whatever" with no concept of what they do to your body and how they make you feel.


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« Reply #1157 on: February 18, 2016, 09:34:04 AM »
Good post Orvell! Exciting to hear about your upcoming trip! Glad you are going to stick around and keep us updated :)

Food - like anything we put in/on our bodies are all the same at their most basic and fundamental level and there is sometimes no telling how things will affect us or interact with each other. 

When my mom did whole 30, she discovered that nuts make her wheeze. She has always struggled with Asthma and breathing issues. She noticed it actually got worse on her whole 30, She had been eating a lot of nuts - and then she tried cutting out the nuts and went off her puffer.


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« Reply #1158 on: February 18, 2016, 10:04:38 AM »
I think if you started from a really bad place (fast food, soda and beer every day), you would probably see a huge difference.

I would like to point out that everyone is different. You can be in a "really bad place" without having fast food, soda and beer every day.

In my case, I lived in an isolated town without consistent access to fresh fruits and veggies so had to rely on grains and filler foods. We did not have a fast food joint in town (wouldn't have gone if we did) I made everything from scratch -  whole grain without "refined" sugar, don't drink soda and had alcohol MAYBE once a month.

It took doing the whole 30 to realize that gluten/grains were the cause of my Fibromyalgia, which left me sick, uninspired to do anything physical  - because even a vigorous house clean would leave me crippled for days.

Everyone is different. How we have developed and how individual foods affect us is going to be different as well. It's really hard not to judge others their history, situations, choices and progress (I have discovered myself falling into this and I really don't like it) - at the end of the day we are all here trying to do the best we can.

We might take different paths after the whole 30. Some people have gone back to eating normally, some have used their new found insights about their personal relationships with food to make different choices. Some have stayed on the Whole 30 train, some have adapted to a Paleo/Keto lifestyle. There are as many ways to go after you finish your whole 30 as reasons that brought you to it :)

What I really like about this, compared to every other fad diet/program/"lifestyle" out there is if you put in the time and effort you finish empowered to know what does and does not work FOR YOU and then, knowing how foods affect you, you are able to make conscious and informed choice about the foods you eat instead of just eating "whatever" with no concept of what they do to your body and how they make you feel.
Very good points, swick.  I often forget how lucky I am to be generally healthy, with no chronic conditions, and that I have easy access to (and means to afford) fresh, high quality food.  Thank you for the reminder not to take things for granted.



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« Reply #1159 on: February 18, 2016, 10:31:49 AM »
Very good points, swick.  I often forget how lucky I am to be generally healthy, with no chronic conditions, and that I have easy access to (and means to afford) fresh, high quality food.  Thank you for the reminder not to take things for granted.

:) I think most of what I said I was pretty much just talking to myself there. It astounds and frustrates me that I lived with so much pain, for so long, for no reason. I still have some experimenting to do. I don't know if it is gluten or some other shit they put on the wheat here. When I lived overseas I didn't seem to have an issue, and probably consumed more wheat.

I'll eventually start experimenting with EinKorn and such, just to know. I want to know if having a beer will affect me, or if there is any "safe" level for me since wheat is in everything. I'm just not looking forward to doing it and haven't had the time to take a couple of weeks off if I do end up feeling like shit.

Breakfast: Bone broth with some of my mom's homemade "soup mix" Basically just a bunch of pulverized dried veggies from her garden, with a scrambled duck egg dribbled in to make an "egg drop" soup. I'm really liking it :)

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« Reply #1160 on: February 18, 2016, 11:02:09 AM »
Very good points, swick.  I often forget how lucky I am to be generally healthy, with no chronic conditions, and that I have easy access to (and means to afford) fresh, high quality food.  Thank you for the reminder not to take things for granted.

:) I think most of what I said I was pretty much just talking to myself there. It astounds and frustrates me that I lived with so much pain, for so long, for no reason. I still have some experimenting to do. I don't know if it is gluten or some other shit they put on the wheat here. When I lived overseas I didn't seem to have an issue, and probably consumed more wheat.

I'll eventually start experimenting with EinKorn and such, just to know. I want to know if having a beer will affect me, or if there is any "safe" level for me since wheat is in everything. I'm just not looking forward to doing it and haven't had the time to take a couple of weeks off if I do end up feeling like shit.

Breakfast: Bone broth with some of my mom's homemade "soup mix" Basically just a bunch of pulverized dried veggies from her garden, with a scrambled duck egg dribbled in to make an "egg drop" soup. I'm really liking it :)

I'm assuming that you had all other possible health related causes eliminated but I thought I would check?  My DD had (undiagnosed) thyroid problems that completely threw off her digestive system.  She was deemed allergic to wheat, dairy, soy, corn and a long list of other things.  She had some bad reactions and for a while her diet was extremely restricted.  But once her thyroid problem was diagnosed and treated, things started to improve.  Now, after a couple of years of having the thyroid under control, she can actually eat a lot of the foods that bothered her before.  So I guess what I'm saying is that inability to tolerate certain foods may be just another symptom and not necessarily a cause.  BTW, she's doing the Whole-30 with me (she lives on another continent so we just compare notes by imessage and Facetime :-) and really likes it.



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« Reply #1161 on: February 18, 2016, 11:09:30 AM »
Yep - all the tests they could throw at me, all the specialists...took going through several doctors to even consider any of the "whoo whoo" diagnosis like Fibro or Chronic Fatigue. Thank God for free healthcare!

 Once they finally put a label on it, they couldn't tell me why I had it or what I could do about it other than take drugs for "pain management"

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« Reply #1162 on: February 19, 2016, 03:05:46 PM »
WAHOO, ORVELL! Congrats on finishing your Whole 30!!!!

My apologies for being late!

How was your first day or so of re-intro? Hope it is all smooth sailing for you!

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« Reply #1163 on: February 19, 2016, 03:40:32 PM »
WAHOO, ORVELL! Congrats on finishing your Whole 30!!!!

My apologies for being late!

How was your first day or so of re-intro? Hope it is all smooth sailing for you!
YOU ARE THE BEST.
THANK YOU!

My first night of re-intro was a bit of a frenzy. Today is more controlled. Last night I broke out the wine and had too many cookies. It was probably a mistake?? (*coughs* shush) but it felt good to realize that... it wasn't the incredible experience I thought it would be. It wasn't anything special. Even those particular cookies that I'd been lusting after were just only 'pretty okay.'
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Today I partook in "beer Friday" at work for the first time in a long time. And tonight I'll have a meal with rice in it with my mom. I think re-intro is going just fine (although possibly was a little out of control yesterday, but I'm being forgiving of myself of that). I'm holding off on dealing with soy, though. :/ That will be a day and or week of its own. I'll probably have things to say about it.
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« Reply #1164 on: February 20, 2016, 04:22:29 PM »
Tiny re-intro update!
I've been eating some sugar. Not a *ton* but some. It's nutty how you can feel it. I have a mild headache that I'm 90% is from the sugar, and generally feel jittery and a little bloated. Gross. I'll definitely be attempting to keep that down to a minimum even when I'm not on a "real" Whole30. Good news is, as expected, gluten doesn't seem to bug me at all. So while not doing it "for real" I can be a little less puritanical about that. Haven't dealt with legumes in any capacity yet, and I won't be trying 'real' dairy as I already know I can't digest that. One thing (or two) at a time.

In other news, I've sort of accidentally convinced my mom to try the Whole30? Ha! :) I'm not sure how committed she'll be, but I think there are some things she can benefit from, and she seemed genuinely interested. She's not overweight, but she does have some energy-level issues. I think her biggest challenge will be giving up oatmeal every morning!

I think part of the reason she was game to give it a try is because it's verrrry similar to the eating pattern my aunt and favorite uncle follow (and therefore is a bit vetted; they are both highly intelligent people, clearly not following a 'fad diet' and my aunt is a geneticist with a great deal of nutritional background). He has ALS (something that still makes me very very sad to think about) and they are hoping a strict paleo-style diet might slow its progress down.

Anyhow, this is my, "hello from the other side," post. ;) It's not as different as I thought it would be. And I feel better when I'm eating on-plan.

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« Reply #1165 on: February 20, 2016, 04:38:56 PM »
Orvell - Congratulations on finishing up your Whole30! I do love this way of eating so much that after 4 Whole30's it's finally starting to feel like a lifestyle for me instead of a diet.

We got "That Sugar Film" out of the library recently and I can't say enough about it! So convicting about how poorly I was living my life pre-Whole 30 :-/ I feel so terrific and have So. Much. Energy.
No more mid-afternoon slumps for this busy mama. My husband can't believe how much I do with the kids in a day.

A note about bowel/poop problems. Wayyyy back in around November 2015 I was in the middle of my 2nd Whole30 and panicking about bowel problems. I went strict FODMAP free and it still didn't help. I have FINALLY figured it out but forgot to update everyone ... I'm sure everyone was wondering (haha!). It was water! I was not drinking enough water at all! So now I drink lots and lots of water and have zero poop problems! It's a wonderful relief (in more ways than one)!

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« Reply #1166 on: February 20, 2016, 05:10:08 PM »
Orvell - Congratulations on finishing up your Whole30! I do love this way of eating so much that after 4 Whole30's it's finally starting to feel like a lifestyle for me instead of a diet.

We got "That Sugar Film" out of the library recently and I can't say enough about it! So convicting about how poorly I was living my life pre-Whole 30 :-/ I feel so terrific and have So. Much. Energy.
No more mid-afternoon slumps for this busy mama. My husband can't believe how much I do with the kids in a day.

A note about bowel/poop problems. Wayyyy back in around November 2015 I was in the middle of my 2nd Whole30 and panicking about bowel problems. I went strict FODMAP free and it still didn't help. I have FINALLY figured it out but forgot to update everyone ... I'm sure everyone was wondering (haha!). It was water! I was not drinking enough water at all! So now I drink lots and lots of water and have zero poop problems! It's a wonderful relief (in more ways than one)!

Thank you! :D My first Whole 30 was a total experience. :) I am definitely going to be doing another "actual" one, but I know what you mean. Even while not following the rules 100% and going through the Normal People Food re-intro process, I know eating the Whole30 way (in general) makes me feel good, so I'm likely going to be following the majority of the rules anyhow!

I watched "That Sugar Movie" before I even started this, back when I was trying to kick sugar alone without the rest of the dietary shift. It's a good one, for sure! I tried rec'ing it to some friends without any success. XD Apparently "normal people" aren't super into realizing they are destroying themselves.

And thank you for the note about water. I'm going to be making sure I stay fully hydrated. It wouldn't surprise me if that might be my issue too! :) Although I'm guessing yours was constipation? Mine was/is (pattern still not identified) loose poops with a sense of urgency.

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« Reply #1167 on: February 20, 2016, 05:46:52 PM »
Orvell - my symptoms were exactly the same as yours, which is why I didn't expect it to be a lack of water causing those symptoms.

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« Reply #1168 on: February 20, 2016, 06:54:33 PM »
Orvell - my symptoms were exactly the same as yours, which is why I didn't expect it to be a lack of water causing those symptoms.
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« Reply #1169 on: February 20, 2016, 07:11:35 PM »
::cue mama slow clapping for Orvell::


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« Reply #1170 on: February 20, 2016, 10:41:13 PM »
hi

Hoping for some ideas, I am about to start whole30 and am struggling on what to eat for breakfast. I am allergic to eggs and that seems to eliminate a lot of options. I have googled some ideas but not many seem like easy options to have before work or are the kinds of meals I couldn't imagine eating at 5am like stuffed eggplant or various casseroles.

Thought I would ask on here if anyone has any ideas or tips

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« Reply #1171 on: February 21, 2016, 08:10:15 AM »
Do you drink coffee?  You might try just having coffee with coconut oil, and then starting solid food after you've been up a few hours.  It's surprisingly filling.  On the weekends I often do this and have no desire to eat until I've been up 4-5 hours.

YMMV, but I kind of like salmon for breakfast.  Or you could make up some compliant sausage patties that you can just grab and warm up.  If you're really hungry most mornings, maybe keep some cooked sweet potato and crumbled, seasoned sausage or ground beef on hand and eat them together.

There is also the monkey bowl that several people on this thread have been discussing.

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« Reply #1172 on: February 21, 2016, 09:57:56 AM »
An apple or a banana with almond butter will also make a good breakfast in a pinch.



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« Reply #1173 on: February 21, 2016, 10:57:52 AM »
hi

Hoping for some ideas, I am about to start whole30 and am struggling on what to eat for breakfast. I am allergic to eggs and that seems to eliminate a lot of options. I have googled some ideas but not many seem like easy options to have before work or are the kinds of meals I couldn't imagine eating at 5am like stuffed eggplant or various casseroles.

Thought I would ask on here if anyone has any ideas or tips

Welcome, nnls!

I have to get up super early and the thought of eating anything right away doesn't sit well with me. I do like Horsepoor suggests and make a coconut oil "buzzed" coffee or tea. I throw my base liquid in a pot with some coconut oil, coconut milk and ususally a bit of raw cocoa (if it is coffee) to make it like a Mocha.  Or a bit of powdered vanilla bean to make a "London Fog" with tea.  I Don't like just melting some coconut oil into hot liquid, because you get a mouthful of oil, and that makes me want to gag.

I do this every morning and then stop for a larger "brunch" style meal later in the morning/early afternoon. This keeps me full for a few hours at least.

Thinking of meals as 1, 2, 3 instead of "breakfast, lunch, dinner" is also useful. Especially if you are use to the more traditional sweet breakfast foods in the morning.

I usually have a few roasted sweet potatoes on hand, sliced and fried in some oil, or sprinkled with some of the "sweeter" spices are also both good breakfast options.

I also usually keep some sort of cooked protein easily available. Sausage crumbles, homemade breakfast sausage patties, shredded meat.

Nom nom paelo's Kalua pork  is awesome for breakfast, crisped up in a pan on top of some sauteed veggies is awesome! http://nomnompaleo.com/post/10031990774/slow-cooker-kalua-pig I usually crisp it up and toss it in top of some quick wok fiend caggabe with a bunch of sesame seeds, chalula hot sauce and coconut amino's.

I've been getting more into soups for breakfast as well.

Monkey bowls (discussed throughout the thread) are a good option too if you want more fruit.

Potato cakes, fish cakes, potato pancakes...you are allowed to have white potatoes on the Whole 30 so that should provide some variety, but you probably don't want to depend on them every morning.

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« Reply #1174 on: February 21, 2016, 03:13:20 PM »
Thanks everyone, I am not a big coffee drinker.

I may go the piece of fruit options and then something a bit more substantial around 7 or 8 when I am a bit more awake.

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« Reply #1175 on: February 21, 2016, 04:54:38 PM »
I make a smoothie with coconut milk, banana or other fruit and almond butter. Easy and filling.

I know the Whole30 authors have some concerns about smoothies because they can be a trigger for drinking sugary stuff but a high-fat smoothie with coconut milk for me is an easy way to ingest something that keeps me full until 2 pm.

We just got some almond butter from Costco so I may try this. 

Day 22 for me, and for some reason I've been hungry all day although I'm eating my usual meals.  I did eat a spoonful of almond butter when I was clutching and that seemed to help, but I don't usually snack and I don't want to develop the habit.
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« Reply #1176 on: February 21, 2016, 06:21:50 PM »
Maybe I'm the only Mustachian who didn't know this...but if you put your green onions in water in a sunny window, they regrow. Just put the roots and white portions in water, and like magic, they regrow! I'm using a lot more green onion in my cooking now that I'm Whole30/Paleo. I change the water about every three days.


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« Reply #1177 on: February 21, 2016, 10:52:29 PM »
The power of suggestion!!

Just had a delicious smoothie made with:
A can of coconut milk
A handful of frozen mango chunks
1 banana
1 date
2 Tablespoons of almond butter

It was fabulous!

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« Reply #1178 on: February 22, 2016, 08:24:38 AM »
Day 22 for me and I am so ready to be done!  I was in a funk all weekend - I still haven't shaken off the cold completely.  I also got a migraine headache on Friday that continued most of the weekend and is still going on today...  My digestive system has been very unsettled for the last week, similar to what Orvell was experiencing.  At first I put it down to the cold but it seems to go beyond that.  And I had a bad reaction to an avocado I ate on Sunday (intense stomach cramps) and my stomach still doesn't feel good this morning :-( 

Sorry to be such a negative ninny about it, but Whole 30 is just not working for me at the moment.  I am determined to stick to it to the end in the hopes that it ends up being a positive experience after all, but so far it hasn't been good.



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« Reply #1179 on: February 22, 2016, 08:36:09 AM »
ZiZi: I'm sorry things are so rough! :(((
1967Mama mentioned up-thread that her digestive issues were similar, and for her the answer was hydration. I'm still messing around with that (and since I'm "off" my Whole30 my variables are too plentiful to be truly meaningful) but it might be worth downing a few extra glasses of water and seeing if that helps?

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« Reply #1180 on: February 22, 2016, 09:54:07 AM »
Happy Monday, peeps! I made the Bacon/Pepper/Zucchini frittata this weekend.  If I liked eggs, it would have been fantastic.  Even not liking eggs, I could still recognize it's deliciousness.  I'm not struggling with food boredom right now since I had time to make some meals over the weekend, but I am wanting a smoothie now!  I did get some Lara Bars, but I'm going to have to proclaim those as emergency-only since they really feed my sweet tooth, especially the coconut creme one...

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« Reply #1181 on: February 22, 2016, 10:06:38 AM »
Hey Zizi,
Sorry you aren't doing well. It sounds like you could be going through the crappiness that is not going into Keto but not eating enough carbs to go sustain using glucose as a primary fuel. You feel like shit.

Your symptoms are pretty similar to what my hubby was going through for a couple of weeks. You could try incorporating more carbs and see if you start to feel better. if you feel better after having more bananas or white potatoes, it is a good clue. If you have otherwise been sick and not feeling much like eating, it is very possible you just haven't been eating enough/in the right proportions for your body. Part of the trick of eating Whole 30 is figuring out how it works for you. People do get into trouble because while they are eating compliant foods, they are not eating enough, or getting enough fats, or drinking enough water.

Keeping a food journal for a couple of days might help so you can actually see and analyze would probably help.

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« Reply #1182 on: February 22, 2016, 10:14:04 AM »
Hi Zizi
just a thought....avocados are on the NO list if you have FODMAPS!
Like Swick said a food journal is your best friend until you figure out what is going on.
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« Reply #1183 on: February 22, 2016, 10:41:43 AM »
swick, orvell, debbie - thank you for the sympathy and helpful suggestions.  The interesting part of this is that prior to doing Whole 30, my digestive system was working very well.  My issues started after almost 2 weeks on Whole 30, while my cold was at its worst.  I think it may have been related to the cold since I seem to be better today.

As to avocados, this is an issue I have on and off - sometimes I can eat them, and sometimes I get stomach pain within 20-30 minutes of eating them.  I had a couple of avocados earlier in the month and I was fine.  But yesterday was a disaster.  I get the same reaction to papaya, except that the pain/cramps are guaranteed if I eat it.  From what I've read it is latex fruit allergy.  At some point in my 20s I was getting the same reaction to bananas but now I can eat them with no problems whatsoever.

As to non-quite keto: I am eating quite a lot of carbs on Whole 30 - regular potatoes, sweet potatoes, lots of fruit.  In fact, I think I may be eating too much fruit :-(

The good news is that I talked to my DD who is doing the Whole 30 with me and she is feeling great.  She said all her bloating and swelling is gone and she has lots of energy.



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« Reply #1184 on: February 22, 2016, 07:41:51 PM »
Maybe I'm the only Mustachian who didn't know this...but if you put your green onions in water in a sunny window, they regrow. Just put the roots and white portions in water, and like magic, they regrow! I'm using a lot more green onion in my cooking now that I'm Whole30/Paleo. I change the water about every three days.
Another awesome tip I learned: treat parsley and basil like flowers - cut the ends and put them is a vase of water and they last for a long time. This would probably work for cilantro as well.
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« Reply #1185 on: February 22, 2016, 09:25:34 PM »
Maybe I'm the only Mustachian who didn't know this...but if you put your green onions in water in a sunny window, they regrow. Just put the roots and white portions in water, and like magic, they regrow! I'm using a lot more green onion in my cooking now that I'm Whole30/Paleo. I change the water about every three days.
Another awesome tip I learned: treat parsley and basil like flowers - cut the ends and put them is a vase of water and they last for a long time. This would probably work for cilantro as well.

Thanks, frugaldoc! This is so exciting to me! I will have all sorts of things growing in my window soon. Nothing drives me more crazy than needing parsley or cilantro for a recipe and not having it "in stock."

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« Reply #1186 on: February 23, 2016, 09:52:09 AM »
So my mom came to spend part of the weekend with me, and I accidentally convinced her (and my dad!!) to do a Whole30. THAT was unexpected. They are on their Day 3.

I can't remember what I've talked about here before, but my aunt and uncle live pretty similar diets themselves, and have for the last year + (In my uncle's case, as a desperate hope to stave off ALS)
But anyhow, my aunt had a breakfast plan that was different from some things I've read hear, and I know breakfasts can be hard for folks, so I thought I'd share.
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She does up ground turkey with dried fruit and silvered almonds, and has a bowl of that every morning. Says it reminds her of oatmeal, haha!

Unrelated, but how do you guys deal with all the negative press paleo (and paleo-related stuff) gets sometimes? I get google news alerts somewhat based on what I've been (you guessed it) googling, and I feel like every other day there's some pop culture report about how paleo diets make you fat and die. Which is like, 100% not my experience, and not most of your guyses's experiences.
So how do you deal with 'science' when you yourself are not a scientist? How do you separate the chaff from the (non)wheat?

My aunt who eats like this IS a scientist. I trust her. Funnily enough, I trust her more for the fact that over the years she's drastically changed her opinions? She was the reason I went mostly-vegan for awhile, too. I think there's not enough respect given to people who look at things, reassess, and move forward on a different track without any shame. :)
I'm rambling. Sorry. I'm a little unfocussed today.

In sum: as a person without a PhD, how do you deal with the onslaught of news articles telling you all sorts of wrong shit you're doing and that you're gonna die like a fat mouse in a lab?
Cognitively I know it's all click bait shit and that our scientific understanding of nutrition is Constantly Evolving. But eventually there's gonna be more new information that IS right. And how will we know?
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« Reply #1187 on: February 23, 2016, 10:48:33 AM »
Mark's Daily Apple did a post on the Paleo makes you fat thing just yesterday.  He usually addresses these things as they come up in the media.

I don't encounter criticism, but I think if I did, I'd just say that it works for me and my personal results speak for themselves.  The detractors are free to make their own choices.

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« Reply #1188 on: February 23, 2016, 10:52:58 AM »
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So how do you deal with 'science' when you yourself are not a scientist? How do you separate the chaff from the (non)wheat?

My aunt who eats like this IS a scientist. I trust her. Funnily enough, I trust her more for the fact that over the years she's drastically changed her opinions? She was the reason I went mostly-vegan for awhile, too. I think there's not enough respect given to people who look at things, reassess, and move forward on a different track without any shame. :)
I'm rambling. Sorry. I'm a little unfocussed today.

In sum: as a person without a PhD, how do you deal with the onslaught of news articles telling you all sorts of wrong shit you're doing and that you're gonna die like a fat mouse in a lab?
Cognitively I know it's all click bait shit and that our scientific understanding of nutrition is Constantly Evolving. But eventually there's gonna be more new information that IS right. And how will we know?
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Personally, if I do find myself on a clickbait article, I just look for the references and go down that rabbit hole. Most of those articles are cherry picking things. If I can find the actual study referenced, I read that. If I can't, I dismissed it. Sometimes scholarly articles are a tough read, but they are easy enough to understand if you take the time. If you find yourself worrying about it, that's the route I'd take. If it doesn't phase you, I'd just move on.

Mark's Daily Apple did a post on the Paleo makes you fat thing just yesterday.  He usually addresses these things as they come up in the media.

I don't encounter criticism, but I think if I did, I'd just say that it works for me and my personal results speak for themselves.  The detractors are free to make their own choices.

That's a pretty good route to take too. Less work, less stress. :)

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« Reply #1189 on: February 23, 2016, 01:25:38 PM »
In sum: as a person without a PhD, how do you deal with the onslaught of news articles telling you all sorts of wrong shit you're doing and that you're gonna die like a fat mouse in a lab?
Cognitively I know it's all click bait shit and that our scientific understanding of nutrition is Constantly Evolving. But eventually there's gonna be more new information that IS right. And how will we know?
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Realize that mainstream news outlets are desperate for viewers and use scare tactics to get them.  "Are YOU at risk?"  Or, sure to set off panic, "Is YOUR CHILD at risk?"  They know that few people will read past the first few paragraphs, which have the trigger.  Those who go to the end, however, will find that it only applies to a small amount of people or that an opposite result was found.

Today for lunch I had a chicken breast with a dip made of homemade cocktail sauce and mayo, a tossed salad with homemade Italian dressing and a small apple.  I'd love to find the person who would look at that meal and call it unhealthy.

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« Reply #1190 on: February 23, 2016, 02:17:52 PM »
My mom is in her mid 70's  (heavy her whole life, knee joints are shot). She is worried about the way I'm eating and that I'm losing weight too fast. She thinks its unhealthy ??? that I've lost 42 pounds in 7 months ... ummmm ... no.

She is worried that I'm not getting enough calcium. I'm eating over a cup of spinach every day, plus other calcium containing foods. And my calcium needs are lower because I'm not leaching calcium by eating crap.

When I had a problem with vertigo a few weeks ago (diagnosed by my family doc as BPPV - cured in one visit to a physiotherapist who did the Epley Manoeuvre) my sister texted me and said "Eat a sandwich!" Oh dear:-/ Haters gonna hate.

I feel terrific - the best I've felt in more than 18 years!! That's when I reallllly started packing on the weight with successive pregnancies and births. After my 4th child, my husband was into marathon running and I caught the health bug for a little while and got back down to my ideal weight.

I still have FIFTY pounds to go to get back to that ideal weight and I feel like I can do it. I've already lost 42 since July. I trust this process and am not looking for a quick fix. I'm just eating great food every day, moving more, keeping up with my large family... by my 50th birthday (January 2016) I plan on being back to that ideal health and weight and ready to face my 2nd 50 years with vim and vigour! My youngest child will be 9 in April and I'm hopeful that grandchildren are just around the corner (none of my kids are married yet, but the oldest 3 are in serious relationships)!

Have a great day, everyone!



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« Reply #1191 on: February 23, 2016, 02:38:24 PM »
Right... I'm sure they are really hating because you are successful ( and the are envious). Misery loves company, its true. Keep up the great work!!

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« Reply #1192 on: February 23, 2016, 02:46:27 PM »
My mom is in her mid 70's  (heavy her whole life, knee joints are shot). She is worried about the way I'm eating and that I'm losing weight too fast. She thinks its unhealthy ??? that I've lost 42 pounds in 7 months ... ummmm ... no.

Yep, just another way to reassure themselves that they couldn't be doing something differently/better.  You're successful but there must be something wrong with it and you're doomed to fail anytime.



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« Reply #1193 on: February 23, 2016, 04:42:23 PM »
Maybe I'm the only Mustachian who didn't know this...but if you put your green onions in water in a sunny window, they regrow. Just put the roots and white portions in water, and like magic, they regrow! I'm using a lot more green onion in my cooking now that I'm Whole30/Paleo. I change the water about every three days.
Another awesome tip I learned: treat parsley and basil like flowers - cut the ends and put them is a vase of water and they last for a long time. This would probably work for cilantro as well.

Thanks, frugaldoc! This is so exciting to me! I will have all sorts of things growing in my window soon. Nothing drives me more crazy than needing parsley or cilantro for a recipe and not having it "in stock."

You're welcome :)  I've had stuff stay good for a few weeks that way, just keep changing the water every week so it doesn't get funky.

Also basil likes humidity so draping a cut ziplock bag over it keeps it going longer.
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« Reply #1194 on: February 24, 2016, 09:22:08 AM »
Day 24 - my stomach seems to have settled.  I'm looking forward to coffee and oatmeal in the morning a week from today :-)

I'm going to try making zucchini pasta tonight.  On Sunday I made cauliflower rice to have with Thai curry and it was pretty good, but it definitely tasted better fresh than reheated next day.  I generally like cooking things that make tasty leftovers so the cauliflower rice is not likely to become a permanent addition to my diet.  We'll see how the zucchini pasta will come out - this is going to be my first time making it.



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« Reply #1195 on: February 24, 2016, 09:38:42 AM »
Day 24 - my stomach seems to have settled.  I'm looking forward to coffee and oatmeal in the morning a week from today :-)

I'm going to try making zucchini pasta tonight.  On Sunday I made cauliflower rice to have with Thai curry and it was pretty good, but it definitely tasted better fresh than reheated next day.  I generally like cooking things that make tasty leftovers so the cauliflower rice is not likely to become a permanent addition to my diet.  We'll see how the zucchini pasta will come out - this is going to be my first time making it.

I make a roasted cauli-rice, it reheats much better. You can take the raw cauli-rice, toss it with some oil, salt and pepper and then roast it that way, or you can be really lazy like me and roast the cauli first then buzz it up briefly.

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« Reply #1196 on: February 24, 2016, 10:21:59 AM »
Day 24 - my stomach seems to have settled.  I'm looking forward to coffee and oatmeal in the morning a week from today :-)

I'm going to try making zucchini pasta tonight.  On Sunday I made cauliflower rice to have with Thai curry and it was pretty good, but it definitely tasted better fresh than reheated next day.  I generally like cooking things that make tasty leftovers so the cauliflower rice is not likely to become a permanent addition to my diet.  We'll see how the zucchini pasta will come out - this is going to be my first time making it.

I make a roasted cauli-rice, it reheats much better. You can take the raw cauli-rice, toss it with some oil, salt and pepper and then roast it that way, or you can be really lazy like me and roast the cauli first then buzz it up briefly.
That's what I did - I put the raw cauliflower into a food processor and then roasted it with oil, salt and pepper.  It reheated fine the next day but the cauliflower flavor/taste got very intense and I didn't care for it that much.



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« Reply #1197 on: February 25, 2016, 09:17:55 AM »
I made the zucchini noodles last night and really liked them.  I have some left for dinner tonight so we'll see how they are reheated the next day.



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« Reply #1198 on: February 25, 2016, 09:20:36 AM »
:) Zizi I enjoy your updates. It makes me really happy that you're feeling better.
My parents are doing the Whole30 now and sent me a long text complaining about just feeling crappy and "off" (they're on day 3/4) and I was tempted to show them this thread. But I didn't. XD Too weird. I did make sure they saw the Whole30 timeline, though.

In shameful (?) news, I face-planted into a box of cookies last night.
I feel gross.
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« Reply #1199 on: February 25, 2016, 09:51:56 AM »
Day 26.  Things are still going well, but pasta has been sneaking into my thoughts.  My local Whole Foods sells pre-sliced zucchini noodles, so maybe I'll pick some up this weekend.  I've made them myself in the summer when zucchini is dirt cheap since I have a OXO julienne peeler.

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