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Title: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 08, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
This is a thread for those of us getting started on biking more often to catalogue our progress and challenge each other, as well as for those of you more experienced with bikes to give us tips if you like!

Why to start biking:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/18/get-rich-with-bikes/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/18/get-rich-with-bikes/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/06/07/safety-is-an-expensive-illusion/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/06/07/safety-is-an-expensive-illusion/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/)

Consider the gauntlet thrown.



I bought a Trek FX 7.0 2016 in August for $200 off Craigslist. Since then I have made it my goal to go biking 3 times a week - a goal I am mostly failing at, but improving in pursuit of - and to visit the grocery store exclusively by bike. Last weekend I did a practice trip to work for the first time (10 miles round trip including three major hills). I was successful, but I don't quite feel ready to brave the same trip during rush hour, work a full day in the middle, and head home in the dark.

Incidentally, I've also started swimming recently, which is hopefully also contributing to an improved endurance. Getting my tires properly inflated and my seat adjusted to the proper height were also like a magical automatic endurance boosts. And I've started waking up and heading to work earlier in hopes of being able to do both-directions commuting in daylight, despite the time change.

So, my current goals:
What are you working on?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: marielle on November 08, 2017, 02:29:01 PM
I'm hoping to build up to biking to work at least one day a week, which 18 miles each way. Possibly driving to work on Friday, biking home, then biking back to work Monday.

I need to start biking nearly daily to the pool hall (I'm also out of practice with pool), which should help build up the endurance. And, of course, to the grocery store. I need to stop making excuses for not biking to the grocery store recently. There are actually two stores within reasonable walking distance, but I've been choosing to DRIVE to Aldi/Lidl instead which is very facepunch-worthy.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on November 08, 2017, 02:34:03 PM
Hi Tass, thanks for starting this thread. I have been wanting to use my bike instead of my car more and more.

I live about 9 miles from work and have biked a total of 2 times! Ridiculous I know. It's a fairly easy ride with no big hills and took me about 45+ mins the couple times I've done it. This is about twice my driving commute time but I get the added bonus of saving money and exercising.

My short term goal is to bike to work any day it's over 50 degrees. I may lower the temp on this goal but I have to see what this feels like. I really hate the cold. I should have started this goal in the spring, oh well.

Long term goal is to bike 100% of the time (or if it's icy/dangerously cold then to take the bus on those few days) This will allow me to get rid of my car and all the other expenses that go with it, like $1,600 a year car insurance.

It's looking like tomorrow will be 47 so I am going to just go for it. I bike along a bus route so god forbid I get to cold (I think it's probably unlikely) then I can hop on the bus.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 08, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
My current goals are to train up for my vacation in Dec.  There will be some big climbs, so I am trying to get in the realm of a 4000-5000 ft day.  My friends are pretty strong, so I am trying to climb my bootie off right now.  Currently at 3300 ft day.  I've been taking personal time off once a week or so to train.  It's hard, cause the weather is getting colder now where I live.

I've commuted to work by bike, all year long, for the last decade.  We moved out of our suburbia home, and rented it out.  We moved to a house that is 2.5 miles from my work.  I have two main commuter bikes.  I have a full fendered Giant Seek1 that is great for rainy days and dry pavement.  I also have a plus sized bike for when the snow flies.  My plus bike is a Specialized Fuse pro.  When the snow is here, I run studs on both bikes.  Sometimes, on dry days I ride my CX bike for fun and playtime.  That one is a Specialized CruX pro race.   It is full carbon and has no rack, but I just wear a backpack on those racy days.

My tips for riding year round are:

Have a bike that can carry a rack.  Getting stuff off your back is nice. Panniers are worth it.  I like Arkels for the ease of how they come on and off.  If you park your bike in a high theft zone, it helps to have things that aren't a pain to take on and off.  Arkels go on with a swift movement I can do it one handed.

Get some good weather gear.  If you can stay warm, it makes the ride easier.  Layer up, and have high vis gear.

Think about getting a set of bar mitts for when it's really cold.  They are amazingly warm. The wind stays off your hands which is really nice. 

Keep your warm gear organized and at the ready.  Nothing is worse than running around trying to find your balaclava, when you are on the way out.

Get a good set of lights.  Nightrider makes a good durable light.  It's usb rechargeable. I use my nightrider for night mountain bike riding too.  I have a 950 for my head and run a 650 on the bars.  Lots of lumens is needed for night mountain biking.  For commuting, a 650 is more than bright enough.  If you are concerned about safety, you can even get reflector tape for your bike.  My seek came equipped with a bunch of that kind of reflective stuff.  It helps to be seen.

As far as grocery shopping, we tend to drive for that.  Most of what we buy is produce and easily bruised items.  Fruit is expensive enough to have it bang around on a bike ride.  Our truck sits so much, that running the fluids is a good thing for us.  We gladly drive to the grocery. The grocery store is about 3 miles away, and we tend to go only once a week so it's a big load of stuff.  No matter how hard I have tried, I can't seem to get nectarines, peaches, pears or softer items home without them getting destroyed.

That's my list of tips.  Some of you may think my gear is expensive and the opposite of money moustache guidelines, but I get pro deals and never pay retail.  Biking is my one vice in spending.  It well makes up for itself in my super fitness.  I use biking as a way to fight my MS.  Stay strong for lifetime health.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 08, 2017, 09:16:21 PM
When it gets too snowy, you can consider a ski to work, if your area is conducive for that.  Sometimes, I walk on those really bad days if the snow is not ideal for a ski to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Abe on November 08, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
I live a mile from work so am biking nearly every day. Trying to get the wife to bike with me to grocery stores, etc. Have to get the baby acclimated to it, he's not a big fan yet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: marielle on November 09, 2017, 06:26:26 AM
Accidentally rode 12 miles yesterday instead of 8, but it wasn't too bad despite wet roads and light misting. The 18 mile ride to work is starting to seem a little more achievable.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on November 09, 2017, 07:04:29 AM
I haven't cycled for over a year now. Really need to just bring the bloody bike to get new tyres fitted and get back on it. It seems astonishing to me that it has been over a year already. Having moved to a new town, I've been a bit nervous anyway about finding the right routes, having to drive in traffic more frequently, having to contend with masses of other cyclists on relatively narrow cycle paths (student town, there are a LOT of cyclists here). I learned to ride a bike as a kid but have never been a very good cyclist. I should stop letting nerves be an excuse though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 09, 2017, 07:42:33 AM
Hi everybody! I'm the newbiest cycling newbie imaginable: I just learned to ride a bike in August. I haven't been able to spend as much time biking as I would have liked between then and now, because I've been training for a half marathon and haven't had the bandwidth to deal with two cardio-based sports at once. But I've still made SO much progress from wobbling around a parking lot, to actually accomplishing life tasks with my bike!

I live two miles away from work, so my eventual goal is to bike MWF (I have to drive Tuesday/Thursday, and often walk MF at this point). My most frequent bike errand is hopping back and forth from the library, since the streets are really quiet and it's an easy 5-mile round trip. I've managed to ride to work twice at this point, and am looking forward to spending more time on the bike once my race is over on Saturday. I'm reasonably competent at this point, but I get nervous in traffic and I know I need a LOT more miles before I'm going to start feeling confident. I'm looking forward to incorporating some long weekend rides into my routine, since I live in an area with very cool bike paths.

I've kept my gear pretty low-tech at this point--just bike, lights, helmet, and a lock. I don't want to invest in more than the basics until I know I'll actually use them, but I think my next step will be panniers or a rack. Fortunately I should be pretty good on cold-weather gear, since most of my stuff from running should cross over.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 09, 2017, 09:24:20 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeyface/8718709629/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeyface/8718709629/)


Yes - after three years I have biked in blizzard on a holiday weekend - and the parking was marvelous!

I have a walk and bike circle around my home - if my errand is within that circle than I really have to justify not biking and driving instead... when I justify driving it gives me a solid reason to work on so that I bike next time. Didn't leave enough time, too much to carry, too cold etc... those are problems I can solve just maybe not that day.

Secondly - I do as many errands as I can within that circle... Kids activities, shopping, groceries, even date nights :)

It's a learning curve and there is much to learn - but once you do it really is no harder than driving. Easier a lot of the time.

The hardest thing for me was getting back on my bike after a negative car/bike incident. Usually a guy in the truck yelling at me for doing exactly what I was supposed to do. I am constantly growing a thicker skin.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GnomeErcy on November 09, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DrumAllDay on November 09, 2017, 09:35:22 AM
I want to either buy or build a rack to hold my bike in the garage and learn how to do repairs and adjustments. Rather than paying $80 a year for a tune up, I just want to be able to to it myself. Will probably pursue this goal next spring as the snow will be flying shortly.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 09, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
I want to either buy or build a rack to hold my bike in the garage and learn how to do repairs and adjustments. Rather than paying $80 a year for a tune up, I just want to be able to to it myself. Will probably pursue this goal next spring as the snow will be flying shortly.

The only down side to doing things yourself is that it takes time.  You'll have to diagnose the problem, figure out what part needs to be replaced, order the part, and then figure out how to install it.  It's totally doable, but means that occasionally you'll end up with your bike out of commission for several days.  This is part of the reason I have two bikes (you can use the other one while one is undergoing repairs).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DrumAllDay on November 09, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
I want to either buy or build a rack to hold my bike in the garage and learn how to do repairs and adjustments. Rather than paying $80 a year for a tune up, I just want to be able to to it myself. Will probably pursue this goal next spring as the snow will be flying shortly.

The only down side to doing things yourself is that it takes time.  You'll have to diagnose the problem, figure out what part needs to be replaced, order the part, and then figure out how to install it.  It's totally doable, but means that occasionally you'll end up with your bike out of commission for several days.  This is part of the reason I have two bikes (you can use the other one while one is undergoing repairs).
Yes thats true but I don't use my bike everyday. 8 miles away from work so I want to bike at least once a week when the weather is warm enough. I do have a backup bike (just a cheap Walmart bike) that I won from a raffle at work so I use that on small errands around town.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 09, 2017, 10:11:03 AM
Never get in altercations with vehicle drivers.  No matter what, they will win.  Avoid certain hand gestures, no matter how jerky they are.  We have to try to advocate and not instigate things further. 

When I have an alternation, I wave and smile.  It catches them off guard. A little bit of sugar goes a long way.

At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)

You might like an urban commuter or fitness bike.  Something with 700c wheels for efficiency.  Something with braze-ons for mounting a rack. Avoid Dept store bikes at all costs.  They cost you more in the long run, because they are garbage disposable type bikes.  If you want to save some cash, shop Craig's list or the local paper for a good used machine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on November 09, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
Did my 26 mi RT commute a number of times over the summer.  Would like to sneak in a few on one of those warm winter days which seem to be becoming more common.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GnomeErcy on November 09, 2017, 10:20:36 AM
Never get in altercations with vehicle drivers.  No matter what, they will win.  Avoid certain hand gestures, no matter how jerky they are.  We have to try to advocate and not instigate things further. 

When I have an alternation, I wave and smile.  It catches them off guard. A little bit of sugar goes a long way.

At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)

You might like an urban commuter or fitness bike.  Something with 700c wheels for efficiency.  Something with braze-ons for mounting a rack. Avoid Dept store bikes at all costs.  They cost you more in the long run, because they are garbage disposable type bikes.  If you want to save some cash, shop Craig's list or the local paper for a good used machine.

Thanks for the initial guidance. I'm sure I'll have more questions when I finally get around to buying one but this is a great start, I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 09, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)


Build up your strength with lots of local trips first.  Then get a bike rack.


Drive to work one day, bike back.

Bike to work the next day, drive back.


26 miles is doable and can be quite a nice ride a couple times a week.  52 miles is getting more into bike enthusiast territory and is not for everyone.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 09, 2017, 10:35:35 AM
Never get in altercations with vehicle drivers.  No matter what, they will win.  Avoid certain hand gestures, no matter how jerky they are.  We have to try to advocate and not instigate things further. 

When I have an alternation, I wave and smile.  It catches them off guard. A little bit of sugar goes a long way.

At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)

You might like an urban commuter or fitness bike.  Something with 700c wheels for efficiency.  Something with braze-ons for mounting a rack. Avoid Dept store bikes at all costs.  They cost you more in the long run, because they are garbage disposable type bikes.  If you want to save some cash, shop Craig's list or the local paper for a good used machine.

Thanks for the initial guidance. I'm sure I'll have more questions when I finally get around to buying one but this is a great start, I appreciate the help.

I would be happy to tell you honestly about something that you find out there.  You can get a really good bike for just a few hundred bucks.

Another reference point is bicyclebluebook.com  It tends to sway towards being underpriced a little, but it's a good starting point for negotiation.  Be wary for those that think that their "upgrades"  are worth much for re-sale.  Bikes and upgrades do not hold value.  Just because someone says their bike is vintage, doesn't always correlate to value.   Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GnomeErcy on November 09, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
At about 26 miles to my current work, I can't pull it off...

But on Monday I have a second interview for a job that's less than 5 miles. Really hoping I get that; pay would be comparable to what I've got now, and it'd save me time on the commute, not to mention the impact to my health and less wear and tear on my car, etc.

It'd be bikeable for sure, but part of my journey either takes me on a 55mph road where drivers are notoriously awful, or on an unpaved road which may pose some challenges during the winter depending on what the snow-clearing situation is (having never been on it in the winter, I'm not sure).

There's an additional challenge that I literally don't own a bike right now (facepunch incoming) and have no idea what to look for :)


Build up your strength with lots of local trips first.  Then get a bike rack.


Drive to work one day, bike back.

Bike to work the next day, drive back.


26 miles is doable and can be quite a nice ride a couple times a week.  52 miles is getting more into bike enthusiast territory and is not for everyone.

We have one car and the wife needs it to get to her job as of right now, so it's likely that it'd be something like - get dropped off at work with my bike, bike home - and then keep that up every day, since she works later than I would anyway.

Biking to my current work would be more like 33 miles because of the route. Don't think I'd consider that TBH :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 09, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
Have a bike that can carry a rack.  Getting stuff off your back is nice. Panniers are worth it.

Is that something you can add to any bike or do you need a special frame for it?

Hey, come join us over on the monthly cycling log! https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/november-cycling-challenge-2017/

Newbies are always welcome :-)

That looks awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on November 09, 2017, 11:21:33 AM
I would dare say that ANYONE can ride 26 mi, its just a matter of how long it will take.  Leave early! 

Another thing that's a huge help is bike shorts.  If you aren't comfortable wearing them at least get underwear with a chamois and wear regular shorts over them.  I road my bike thousands of miles but would still be uncomfortable if I rode more than 10 mi without them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 09, 2017, 11:39:50 AM
I would dare say that ANYONE can ride 26 mi, its just a matter of how long it will take.  Leave early! 

Another thing that's a huge help is bike shorts.  If you aren't comfortable wearing them at least get underwear with a chamois and wear regular shorts over them.  I road my bike thousands of miles but would still be uncomfortable if I rode more than 10 mi without them.

+1000 on the bike shorts.  I really fought for a long time to avoid wearing them.  I mean  . . . c'mon.  Spandex?

Unreal how much more comfortable they make a bike ride.  I was typically sore and chafing after anything much over 10 miles before using bike shorts.  I'll still get a little sore now and again, but typically when doing 100 mile rides.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on November 09, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
This post came at a perfect time.

I'm planning my first trip to work via bike tomorrow. Round trip it'll be 11.4 miles, so not too bad. ~32 minutes each way.

I'm stoked! Living in Texas, our winters are a joke, so this is really the best time of the year to commute for us. It'll be challenging to commute on the days when I can't wear jeans, but I don't think it'll be a big deal.

The current goal is to bike to work 2 days a week, and increase it to 4x. Friday I have my son, so I can't (there is a possibility I get a new job that is close to my sitter, and in that case I will bike!).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: marielle on November 09, 2017, 02:48:54 PM
I know I could just google for some of these answers, but I figured it could be useful information for others here all in one place instead of looking up every individual question.

What should I do when riding in rain/snow? Do I need to dry the bike ASAP and clean later? Clean and relube the chain each time it gets wet? I'm assuming it also depends on whether the roads get salted or not (mine typically don't where I live).

How often should I clean the chain with regular riding in dry weather? Should I do it based on miles or time? Is it possible to do this indoors? I'm thinking having a bucket underneath for catching dirty water maybe?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 09, 2017, 06:40:53 PM
Have a bike that can carry a rack.  Getting stuff off your back is nice. Panniers are worth it.

Is that something you can add to any bike or do you need a special frame for it?

Hey, come join us over on the monthly cycling log! https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/november-cycling-challenge-2017/

Newbies are always welcome :-)

That looks awesome, thanks!

Braze-ons are attachment points where you can easily attach a rack and other things to the bike.  Some bikes don't have them, so it can makes mounting a rack a little more difficult.  Example:  carbon bikes don't really have them.  You'd have to do a seat post mount or similar and it isn't ideal.  The seat post mounted panniers have a small weight limit, so groceries become an issue if you wanted to carry heavy loads.  Googe braze-ons and a plethora of pics will come up.  Bikes that are great commuters are like, the giant Seek, the specialized AWOL, Surly long haul trucker and bikes like that.  A touring bike would be a great commuter bike as well, as a fitness bike or an urban commuter style bike.  There are tons of bikes out there that would be great.  Even an older mountain bike would work, as long as you steer clear of Dept. store stuff.  You'll be miserable and hate a bike like a Mongoose or anything that Walmart sells.  They are tanks, and they ride horribly.   Not to mention the issues that Dept. store bikes have with build.  I have seen bikes from Walmart come in to our shop and they have their forks installed backwards.  Stuff like that is crazy and can be dangerous.  Imagine going down the road and your crankset falls off.  WTF!?

I doubt one would want a carbon bike for commuting anyway.  So maybe my point is moot anyway.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 09, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
Have a bike that can carry a rack.  Getting stuff off your back is nice. Panniers are worth it.

Is that something you can add to any bike or do you need a special frame for it?

Hey, come join us over on the monthly cycling log! https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/november-cycling-challenge-2017/

Newbies are always welcome :-)

That looks awesome, thanks!

Braze-ons are attachment points where you can easily attach a rack and other things to the bike.  Some bikes don't have them, so it can makes mounting a rack a little more difficult.  Example:  carbon bikes don't really have them.  You'd have to do a seat post mount or similar and it isn't ideal.  The seat post mounted panniers have a small weight limit, so groceries become an issue if you wanted to carry heavy loads.  Googe braze-ons and a plethora of pics will come up.  Bikes that are great commuters are like, the giant Seek, the specialized AWOL, Surly long haul trucker and bikes like that.  A touring bike would be a great commuter bike as well, as a fitness bike or an urban commuter style bike.  There are tons of bikes out there that would be great.  Even an older mountain bike would work, as long as you steer clear of Dept. store stuff.  You'll be miserable and hate a bike like a Mongoose or anything that Walmart sells.  They are tanks, and they ride horribly.   Not to mention the issues that Dept. store bikes have with build.  I have seen bikes from Walmart come in to our shop and they have their forks installed backwards.  Stuff like that is crazy and can be dangerous.  Imagine going down the road and your crankset falls off.  WTF!?

I doubt one would want a carbon bike for commuting anyway.  So maybe my point is moot anyway.

Haha, the reason I ask is that I already have a bike and I want to know if I'm doomed to backpacking it forever.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 09, 2017, 09:02:42 PM
Almost all bikes can be fitted with a rack.  Seriously.

I did a bike tour with a carbon Bianchi with no rack mounts.  I had to run a clamp on seatpost rack, but the weight limit is low.  If you are just carrying work stuff, it's no big deal. 

If you snap pics of your bike, I can probably tell you how to mount up a rack.  More often than not, there are ways to use a bolt on rack.  You have be able to know what kind of rack to buy as well.  They make tons of them, and they are specific to certain kinds of bikes

fat bike racks
disc/no disc
clamp on style
etc...etc...etc.

Snap some pics for me, and I would be happy to help.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on November 10, 2017, 06:05:28 AM
First ride to work: complete.

I think I am more out of shape than I thought. It was only 5.8 miles or so. Steady pace the entire time. 51F outside, a t-shirt, long-sleeve button down (thin cotton), a hoodie, and a backpack on my back. By the time I got to my office (climbed 5 flights of stairs with the bike), I was sweating pretty hard. I can't imagine doing this when it's 80-100F, jeez.. I guess I have time to get used to it though...

Did I layer too much? My hands were the only part that was cold at first, but after 2 miles or so I was really warm.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on November 10, 2017, 07:23:30 AM
I know I could just google for some of these answers, but I figured it could be useful information for others here all in one place instead of looking up every individual question.

What should I do when riding in rain/snow? Do I need to dry the bike ASAP and clean later? Clean and relube the chain each time it gets wet? I'm assuming it also depends on whether the roads get salted or not (mine typically don't where I live).

How often should I clean the chain with regular riding in dry weather? Should I do it based on miles or time? Is it possible to do this indoors? I'm thinking having a bucket underneath for catching dirty water maybe?

No need to dry the bike right away. Bikes are designed to get wet.  I brush off accumulated snow/slush as needed though.  I also avoid letting a wet bike be exposed to freezing temperatures. I don't ride in salt, so have no useful advice there.  Fenders are a worthwhile investment if riding in conditions like these.

I lube my chain when it looks like it needs it. By that, I don't like it to look dry. If any doubt whether it's water or lube, dry with a rag. The interval is largely based on miles and conditions I ride through.

Investing in a chain cleaner makes the process much easier, and possible to do indoors. 

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 10, 2017, 07:35:59 AM
I know I could just google for some of these answers, but I figured it could be useful information for others here all in one place instead of looking up every individual question.

What should I do when riding in rain/snow? Do I need to dry the bike ASAP and clean later? Clean and relube the chain each time it gets wet? I'm assuming it also depends on whether the roads get salted or not (mine typically don't where I live).

How often should I clean the chain with regular riding in dry weather? Should I do it based on miles or time? Is it possible to do this indoors? I'm thinking having a bucket underneath for catching dirty water maybe?

Chain cleaning is tricky because it depends on a bunch of stuff:
- What type of lube do you use (sticky lube will tend to pick up more crap than dry/wax type lubes)?
- What type of weather do you have (someone who rides in lots of rain will have different needs than someone who rides in a desert)?
- How far do you go?

I ride in a temperate climate . . . not too much rain during the summer, constant snow and salt during the winter.  In summer I do the following about once a week (150 - 200km):
- Wipe the chain, cassette, and chainrings clean with a rag
- Apply some light liquid bike lube (prolink pro gold is what I'm currently using)
- Wipe off excess lube from the chain before the next time I go riding
In the winter I do the same, but every 80 km (two short rides or one long one).  I use a heavy, sticky lube in the winter (White Lightning Wet Ride).

In addition to the above, I'll use a chain cleaner with some degreaser or take the chain off completely and soak overnight in degreaser every 2-3 months.  Then you dry it out and relube.



As far as bike cleaning goes:

Again, the conditions will dictate the cleaning necessary.  Riding in snow isn't too terrible for your bike.  Especially cold, clean, fluffly snow.  Riding on slushy, gritty, salty roads is really hard on components though - and that's what roads around here are like from mid November to mid April.  My approach is to fill a large watering can with hot soapy water immediately after I come home from a wet/slushy ride.  I pour some water over the chain, the cassette, and the chainrings, then over the rest of the frame.  Then bounce the bike a couple times to get most of the water off before it freezes.  I'll use a rag to quickly clean off surface much from the cassette and chainrings, and to dry the chain out.  Then I apply lube to the chain, brake pivots, and occasionally the derailleur pivots.  The whole procedure takes maybe 5 - 10 minutes once you know what you're doing.

^ This knocks the worst of the salt off everything and helps prevent corrosion.

BEFORE the winter happens I do some bike related winterproofing:
- Remove brakes and grease pivots with waterproof grease
- Check wheel bearings and re-grease with waterproof grease
- Remove any bolts into the bike frame and then grease with waterproof grease (all those bolts holding on your fenders and rack)
- Add fenders to the bike (keeps a lot of shit off your drivetrain)
- Take headset off and grease it with waterproof grease
- Grease cables with a light lube (prevents water from getting in the cable housings and playing hell with your shifting/braking when it freezes)

AFTER the winter I'll do the following:
- Measure chain for stretch and replace if necessary
- Replace cassette every two or three chains
- Replace cables every year (cable housings every two years)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 10, 2017, 07:41:49 AM
Just had my best-ever ride to work! Everything went smoothly, from having all of my stuff prepped by the back door, to riding through an intersection that I've walked every other time, to not having any panicky moments when cars were passing. It only took me 15 minutes, which is also a record. Third time's the charm, I guess :)

The test will be getting home. There's a good chance that I'll bail and walk most of it, but I'm going to stay patient with myself and stick to what I feel safe doing.

Dumb question: do I suck at biking, or is it actually harder to get up hills on a bike than it is on foot? I have to go up what I would classify as a "slight incline" both ways. I barely even notice it when I'm running the same route, but on the bike my quads are umm, fully engaged and I'm a little out of breath by the time I'm done. I'm in good cardio shape (e.g., I'll be doing a sub-1:45 half marathon on Saturday unless something really screwy happens) so it's weird to me that this slight incline hurts?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on November 10, 2017, 07:46:05 AM
It gets easier. Cycling uses some different muscles than running. And in time you learn what cadence you operate most efficiently at and are better able to choose gears to make the most of it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 10, 2017, 07:55:03 AM
A couple things regarding climbing hills and cycling:

- If you have a very heavy bike (or are carrying lots of stuff) it becomes exponentially harder to get up hills.  Don't carry stuff you don't need to!
- Most people new to cycling have their saddles set much too low . . . which makes putting power out to the pedals significantly harder.  A quick check to see if your saddle's at the correct position: put your heel on a pedal.  At the furthest position away from you, adjust your saddle so that your leg is completely straight with the heel on the pedal.  This gives pretty close to the ideal bend in your knee when you put the ball of your foot on the pedal and push normally.
(http://1mhowto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/How-to-properly-adjust-the-bike-saddle-height1.jpg)
- Most people new to cycling pedal far too slowly.  When you pedal slowly and push hard, you end up causing muscle fatigue and don't use your aerobic system as much.  You want high RPMs (80 - 100 at least) when climbing to be efficient.  This will put more load on your heart and less on your legs (although they'll still burn occasionally).  Next time you're climbing, try going to an easier gear than you normally would and simply pedaling faster.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 10, 2017, 08:09:25 AM
I don't replace the cassette after every two chains.  If I have been good about my chain replacement, they last much longer than that.  I go through way more chains, before I do things to chainrings and cassettes.  Seems like an enormous waste of cash to replace after only two chains, IMHO.  I go through a chain or two every year.  If you are buying quality componentry it really lasts if you take care of it.  My seek1 is on the same cassette that has been there since 2013.  That bike has been ridden a ton.  I am very good about measuring my chain often. 

My chainrings have gotten ruined due to abuse on my MTB.  Like, bashing them into rocks and such, but normal wear should not require a cassette replacement after only two chains 

Cables and housings last pretty well if you have fully wrapped setups.  I replace them only when some lubrication no longer helps it from being sticky and hard to shift.  My brakes are all disc.  I make sure the pads are replaced before damage to rotors happens.

During Winter my bikes get full tear down, cleaning and rebuild. This keeps them tip top. Sometimes, I have to do some decent maintenance during season too.  Although, there really is no off season for me.  I just use the other ones, while some are in pieces.

Dry wax lube for the dry season, epic ride wet for the wet season.  It all depends on your conditions.  My MTB requires love before every ride. they are high performance machines. My commuter gets beat up, but it runs well without too much fret.  That thing is trusty.  My CX gets a lot of love, but it gets ran in extremely bad conditions a lot, and I try to keep it nice. 

My bikes:
Specialized SWORKS Stumpjumper FSR 2017
Specialized Fuse Pro 2017
Specialized CruX Pro Race 2017
Giant Seek1 Commuter bike 2013
Haro Steel reserve 2015

...and my husband has a similar sized fleet.

I work at a bike shop part time, and we have no kids.  Bikes are our passion.  This being said, our bike habit is like a crack habit.  I need to tone it down, because that is our biggest money sink.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 10, 2017, 08:18:42 AM
Just had my best-ever ride to work! Everything went smoothly, from having all of my stuff prepped by the back door, to riding through an intersection that I've walked every other time, to not having any panicky moments when cars were passing. It only took me 15 minutes, which is also a record. Third time's the charm, I guess :)

The test will be getting home. There's a good chance that I'll bail and walk most of it, but I'm going to stay patient with myself and stick to what I feel safe doing.

Dumb question: do I suck at biking, or is it actually harder to get up hills on a bike than it is on foot? I have to go up what I would classify as a "slight incline" both ways. I barely even notice it when I'm running the same route, but on the bike my quads are umm, fully engaged and I'm a little out of breath by the time I'm done. I'm in good cardio shape (e.g., I'll be doing a sub-1:45 half marathon on Saturday unless something really screwy happens) so it's weird to me that this slight incline hurts?

Excellent.  and you don't suck.  Training is sports specific.  I can outpace a pretty fast runner.

Guitar Stv has great advice. 

Wearing bike gear like the padded shorts really does help. I wear my bike gear to work, and change into my stuff at work.  Even tho my ride is short, it helps.  My commute is in very cold weather.  Like, right now it is 20's in the morning, I have to bundle up.  I have a pair of bike pants that have a waterproof and windproof front and I wear shorts underneath. I like a thin wool shirt as my base on most days.  I decide other layers depending on hoe miserable it is.  In the Summer, I just wear my bike shop clothes.  It's a quick ride to my summer job.  I don't work much in the summer anyway.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on November 10, 2017, 08:30:17 AM
Haha, the reason I ask is that I already have a bike and I want to know if I'm doomed to backpacking it forever.

Tass, didn't you buy a Trek FX?  That will take a rack.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: evensjw on November 10, 2017, 08:30:49 AM
First ride to work: complete.

I think I am more out of shape than I thought. It was only 5.8 miles or so. Steady pace the entire time. 51F outside, a t-shirt, long-sleeve button down (thin cotton), a hoodie, and a backpack on my back. By the time I got to my office (climbed 5 flights of stairs with the bike), I was sweating pretty hard. I can't imagine doing this when it's 80-100F, jeez.. I guess I have time to get used to it though...

Did I layer too much? My hands were the only part that was cold at first, but after 2 miles or so I was really warm.

You'll definitely build up some body heat over six miles.  You should expect to be very cold at the start of the ride if you want to be comfortable by the end.  If you can give yourself a bit of cool down time before putting on work clothes, that can help so you don't just immediately sweat into them
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 10, 2017, 08:42:05 AM
First ride to work: complete.

I think I am more out of shape than I thought. It was only 5.8 miles or so. Steady pace the entire time. 51F outside, a t-shirt, long-sleeve button down (thin cotton), a hoodie, and a backpack on my back. By the time I got to my office (climbed 5 flights of stairs with the bike), I was sweating pretty hard. I can't imagine doing this when it's 80-100F, jeez.. I guess I have time to get used to it though...

Did I layer too much? My hands were the only part that was cold at first, but after 2 miles or so I was really warm.

You probably layered too much, though maybe you need gloves? As well as a lock to leave the bike at the bottom of those stairs!

Adjusting the seat height like GuitarStv said made a big difference to me. If it's the first time the bike has been ridden in a while did you also check the tire pressure? The tires should have the ideal pressure printed on them, but if you don't have a pressure gauge they at least shouldn't feel squishy under your fingers. Mine at 80psi have very little give to them.

Congrats on your ride, fluffmuffin!

Yes, MSquared, I did buy a Trek FX. Thanks for the note!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 10, 2017, 08:52:30 AM
I don't replace the cassette after every two chains.

I actually meant to type every 2-3 chains (and will correct the mistake).  I have been lazy about checking for chain wear in the past and was only getting about 2 chains worth of use out of a cassette on my winter bike, recently have been getting 3.  A new 8 speed cassette can be had for 20$, and a chain is 10$ so I wasn't getting too worked up about it.  Your comment really makes me wonder if I should just change the chain more frequently though.  What level of stretch do you change them at?


First ride to work: complete.

I think I am more out of shape than I thought. It was only 5.8 miles or so. Steady pace the entire time. 51F outside, a t-shirt, long-sleeve button down (thin cotton), a hoodie, and a backpack on my back. By the time I got to my office (climbed 5 flights of stairs with the bike), I was sweating pretty hard. I can't imagine doing this when it's 80-100F, jeez.. I guess I have time to get used to it though...

Did I layer too much? My hands were the only part that was cold at first, but after 2 miles or so I was really warm.

51 F is 10 degrees C right?  I think you were dressed much too warm.  You want to be a bit chilly when you get on the bike so that you're the right temperature ten minutes into your ride.

That's right around the borderline for me to start covering my legs, so if it's windy out I'd wear some light jogging tights over my bike shorts, if it's sunny and not too windy I'd go without.  On top I'd probably wear a very light weight sweater and either a windproof vest or a windbreaker.  At those temperatures I always wear gloves and something to cover my ears too.

Backpacks tend to be sweat factories.  I actually ride with one in the winter to keep warmer.  The backpack sits and blocks the release of heat from your core, which will really heat you up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: IHATESCHOOLDEBT on November 10, 2017, 09:17:33 AM
My wife and I mountain bike pretty regularly, but I'm terrified to ride on the roads around here. We live in the mountains of East Tennessee. The locals here have their vices... some smoke meth, others "roll coal" in big lifted trucks, either way these curvy roads are most of the time treated like a race car track... I get nervous even in a car. I used to ride a DRZ400, but after having children I sold that for fear of them being without a father. I have read the blog post about fear, and have looked at the studies, but I still have fear. Am I being silly?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on November 10, 2017, 10:01:47 AM
You probably layered too much, though maybe you need gloves? As well as a lock to leave the bike at the bottom of those stairs!

Adjusting the seat height like GuitarStv said made a big difference to me. If it's the first time the bike has been ridden in a while did you also check the tire pressure? The tires should have the ideal pressure printed on them, but if you don't have a pressure gauge they at least shouldn't feel squishy under your fingers. Mine at 80psi have very little give to them.

First ride to work: complete.

I think I am more out of shape than I thought. It was only 5.8 miles or so. Steady pace the entire time. 51F outside, a t-shirt, long-sleeve button down (thin cotton), a hoodie, and a backpack on my back. By the time I got to my office (climbed 5 flights of stairs with the bike), I was sweating pretty hard. I can't imagine doing this when it's 80-100F, jeez.. I guess I have time to get used to it though...

Did I layer too much? My hands were the only part that was cold at first, but after 2 miles or so I was really warm.

51 F is 10 degrees C right?  I think you were dressed much too warm.  You want to be a bit chilly when you get on the bike so that you're the right temperature ten minutes into your ride.

That's right around the borderline for me to start covering my legs, so if it's windy out I'd wear some light jogging tights over my bike shorts, if it's sunny and not too windy I'd go without.  On top I'd probably wear a very light weight sweater and either a windproof vest or a windbreaker.  At those temperatures I always wear gloves and something to cover my ears too.

Backpacks tend to be sweat factories.  I actually ride with one in the winter to keep warmer.  The backpack sits and blocks the release of heat from your core, which will really heat you up.

Correct, it's 10C. Thanks for the advice, lesson learned, haha. It'll only be cold for 2 months or so here, so my main concern is building up even more sweat once summer comes. I'll check the tires too, thanks for that! I was wearing some ear plug that I use when I go shooting to keep the cold weather out of the insides of my ears. It makes them ache personally. That, a hat, and some sun glasses. Like y'all said, gloves would be ideal I think too.


You'll definitely build up some body heat over six miles.  You should expect to be very cold at the start of the ride if you want to be comfortable by the end.  If you can give yourself a bit of cool down time before putting on work clothes, that can help so you don't just immediately sweat into them

I used the advice from this article: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2017/06/08/bike-to-work-houston/

I figured it was appropriate since I am also from Houston. Anyways, I waited 5-6 minutes and I felt totally fine. Put my work shirt on, opened the office door, and all was back to normal. :)

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 10, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
I am not used to this quote feature.  So, I didn't want to quote the entire comment.  This is a reply for GuitarStv:

Replace your chain at 3/4 life.  If you do it at full life, you have already eaten away at your cassette and front chainrings.

One of my bikes is an XX1 eagle drivetrain, so you can imagine that I want to get as much use out of it as possible.  The gold bits are beauties, and I want them to last as long as I can.  BLING!

I do want to say that everyone has different styles of riding, replacement and price range.  I am not an expert.  I just have spent the last 25 years of my life as an avid cyclist. I have made enormous mistakes, learned, and adjusted often.  I used to ride a fat bike in the snow, now I am on a plus, who knows what is next.  Tractor belt e machines?  HAHA

Can we talk about bikes all day long?  I love this.  :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on November 10, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
My wife and I mountain bike pretty regularly, but I'm terrified to ride on the roads around here. We live in the mountains of East Tennessee. The locals here have their vices... some smoke meth, others "roll coal" in big lifted trucks, either way these curvy roads are most of the time treated like a race car track... I get nervous even in a car. I used to ride a DRZ400, but after having children I sold that for fear of them being without a father. I have read the blog post about fear, and have looked at the studies, but I still have fear. Am I being silly?

Thinking that everybody on the road is some methed out redneck ready to roll coal on you might be a bit silly. However, having a healthy respect for roads with low visibility and fast moving traffic is not.   

I typically avoid such roads, because riding in fast moving traffic is just no fun, but sometimes you have to do it to get where you are going.  I deal with this by:
1. Staying seen. Lights, day-glo reflective vests, festive hawaiian shirts, whatever it takes. 
2. Ride respectfully. Try not to unnecessarily impede traffic. Pull over for a bit if you do.  Use hand signals. 
3. Stay aware. Look around, try and anticipate what people will do. Looking drivers in the eye really helps. 

Sure, there's the occasional nitwit that does something or yells something* out the window, but be happy- that means they saw you.  It's the ones that don't see you that will get you. 

*Best thing ever yelled out a car window at me: "GET A JOB, ASSHOLE!"
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: IHATESCHOOLDEBT on November 10, 2017, 12:05:56 PM
My wife and I mountain bike pretty regularly, but I'm terrified to ride on the roads around here. We live in the mountains of East Tennessee. The locals here have their vices... some smoke meth, others "roll coal" in big lifted trucks, either way these curvy roads are most of the time treated like a race car track... I get nervous even in a car. I used to ride a DRZ400, but after having children I sold that for fear of them being without a father. I have read the blog post about fear, and have looked at the studies, but I still have fear. Am I being silly?

Thinking that everybody on the road is some methed out redneck ready to roll coal on you might be a bit silly. However, having a healthy respect for roads with low visibility and fast moving traffic is not.   

I typically avoid such roads, because riding in fast moving traffic is just no fun, but sometimes you have to do it to get where you are going.  I deal with this by:
1. Staying seen. Lights, day-glo reflective vests, festive hawaiian shirts, whatever it takes. 
2. Ride respectfully. Try not to unnecessarily impede traffic. Pull over for a bit if you do.  Use hand signals. 
3. Stay aware. Look around, try and anticipate what people will do. Looking drivers in the eye really helps. 

Sure, there's the occasional nitwit that does something or yells something* out the window, but be happy- that means they saw you.  It's the ones that don't see you that will get you. 

*Best thing ever yelled out a car window at me: "GET A JOB, ASSHOLE!"

Thanks for the input, and the laugh at the end. haha Get a Job!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 10, 2017, 01:33:31 PM
Thanks for the tips on hills, GuitarStv and ACyclist! Looking at the photo, I think I might have my seat too low. I'll take a look at that over the weekend.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 10, 2017, 01:43:29 PM
HAHA!  Get a job, asshole.  I love that one.

One person yelled at me "Hippie!" 

:)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on November 10, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
HAHA!  Get a job, asshole.  I love that one.

One person yelled at me "Hippie!" 

:)

LOL!  Pretty sure there are some people that think I ride my bike to work because I can't "afford" the gas.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 13, 2017, 06:27:06 AM
- Most people new to cycling pedal far too slowly.  When you pedal slowly and push hard, you end up causing muscle fatigue and don't use your aerobic system as much.  You want high RPMs (80 - 100 at least) when climbing to be efficient.  This will put more load on your heart and less on your legs (although they'll still burn occasionally).  Next time you're climbing, try going to an easier gear than you normally would and simply pedaling faster.

My quads say thank you! I didn't end up changing my seat height--maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it just didn't feel comfortable set higher and it's not like I'm out there trying to race anybody--but this morning I went down to a gear that felt silly and focused on turnover. Cruised up the barely-hill and wasn't even out of breath.

How are all of my other fellow newbies doing this week? Did anybody get a great ride in over the weekend?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on November 13, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
HAHA!  Get a job, asshole.  I love that one.

One person yelled at me "Hippie!" 

:)

LOL!  Pretty sure there are some people that think I ride my bike to work because I can't "afford" the gas.

That's awesome.

Today a co-worker asked me, "Hey, why is your office door closed?"
Me: "Oh, I just rode my bicycle in so I was changing my shirt. Did you need to stop by?"
Co-worker: "MAN Y??????"
Me: "haha, I live pretty close.."
Co-worker: "LOL LOL"

I wasn't really sure how to reply.

Anyways, got in some miles this weekend. Biked and explored a bunch of news areas along the bayou. The weather was beautiful! Biked into work again this morning, hoping I can make this a regular thing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 13, 2017, 11:15:29 AM
My husband and I had some great riding this weekend. 

Did a rain ride on Friday to just spin the legs on my commuter.  Saw a rainbow.  That was neat.

Went mountainbiking on Saturday to a local trail network.  The conditions were perfect.  Slightly cold, but the hero dirt made up for the cold.  I love riding perfect dirt.  When you tires grip like velcro and you're going rippin fast.  The cornering and going hard just makes me laugh and smile.  Kinda funny, I rode great except for a tiny stick that lodged through my rear triangle.  I heard it and opted to keep riding as I tried to pull it out as I continued to climb.  Well, that didn't work out so well.  I fell over and landed right on a hard pinecone.  The cone hit the side of my quad and really smarted. Low speed crashes can still hurt pretty good.  Got a nice bruise and have been trying to work out the kink with my foam roller.  Owie!

Sunday, I took out my CX and did some spinning and climbing at moderate pace.  It was a combo of pave/gravel/pave.  The wind was relentless. 

Today, I feel great and accomplished with the training.  5000 ft of climbing and 46 miles in all. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on November 14, 2017, 09:00:43 AM
Today a co-worker asked me, "Hey, why is your office door closed?"
Me: "Oh, I just rode my bicycle in so I was changing my shirt. Did you need to stop by?"
Co-worker: "MAN Y??????"
Me: "haha, I live pretty close.."
Co-worker: "LOL LOL"

Ugh, co-workers.  The amount of stupid comments I've received over the years is mind blowing.  Just keep riding and eventually they'll run out of things to say and shut up.  Unless it rains.  Then they always comment. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 14, 2017, 09:25:06 AM

That's awesome.

Today a co-worker asked me, "Hey, why is your office door closed?"
Me: "Oh, I just rode my bicycle in so I was changing my shirt. Did you need to stop by?"
Co-worker: "MAN Y??????"
Me: "haha, I live pretty close.."
Co-worker: "LOL LOL"


I always reply with
'Because it's faster than walking'
:D
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: marielle on November 14, 2017, 09:38:38 AM

That's awesome.

Today a co-worker asked me, "Hey, why is your office door closed?"
Me: "Oh, I just rode my bicycle in so I was changing my shirt. Did you need to stop by?"
Co-worker: "MAN Y??????"
Me: "haha, I live pretty close.."
Co-worker: "LOL LOL"


I always reply with
'Because it's faster than walking'
:D

That's hilarious. I'm definitely going to use that.

I haven't made much progress, the only places I've gone to have been further than 15 miles or close enough to walk. Tonight I'm replacing my phone battery which should help with bike adventures. My battery life is literally less than 10 minutes when I try to use navigation on it while biking. I also put a portable battery pack on my wishlist, which would be helpful for longer trips on the bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 14, 2017, 09:47:31 AM
I wanted to mention something about chains, that will help you extend the life of your chain. 

Some of you may already know this tip, so if you do just ignore me.  Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.  There are much better options than a cross chain, with triples and doubles. If you are a 1x system, this of course does not apply to you.  If you have a double, it is not as bad as a triple, but still there are other options in your gears.  Many gears overlap themselves in feel factor.

Hope this made sense to the newcomers of our sport.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2017, 11:49:29 AM
I wanted to mention something about chains, that will help you extend the life of your chain. 

Some of you may already know this tip, so if you do just ignore me.  Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.  There are much better options than a cross chain, with triples and doubles. If you are a 1x system, this of course does not apply to you.  If you have a double, it is not as bad as a triple, but still there are other options in your gears.  Many gears overlap themselves in feel factor.

Hope this made sense to the newcomers of our sport.

To clarify a tad:

(http://circuitcycle.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/CROSS-CHAINING.jpg)

Basically, you want the chain to be as straight as possible between the big rings at the front and the little rings at the back, not at an angle as above.  Usually you'll hear this as extra noise from the drivetrain when you do it.

Side note - If you're on a 1x system, it does apply to you . . . but there's nothing you can do about it.  A 1x system is the same as always riding the middle chain ring of a triple.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 14, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
I wanted to mention something about chains, that will help you extend the life of your chain. 

Some of you may already know this tip, so if you do just ignore me.  Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.  There are much better options than a cross chain, with triples and doubles. If you are a 1x system, this of course does not apply to you.  If you have a double, it is not as bad as a triple, but still there are other options in your gears.  Many gears overlap themselves in feel factor.

Hope this made sense to the newcomers of our sport.

To clarify a tad:

(http://circuitcycle.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/CROSS-CHAINING.jpg)

Basically, you want the chain to be as straight as possible between the big rings at the front and the little rings at the back, not at an angle as above.  Usually you'll hear this as extra noise from the drivetrain when you do it.

Side note - If you're on a 1x system, it does apply to you . . . but there's nothing you can do about it.  A 1x system is the same as always riding the middle chain ring of a triple.  :P

I am very thankful that the eagle XX1 chains seem to have very good longevity.  ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mucchad on November 14, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
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Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: MightyAl on November 14, 2017, 01:26:39 PM
I live in the middle of rural Indiana and have been contemplating cycling to work.  It is about 6 miles so it wouldn't be too bad but it is all county roads until I hit town.  The roads are narrow and people absolutely fly down them. 

Has anyone had to deal with these kinds of conditions and how do you cope? 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2017, 01:32:48 PM
I live in the middle of rural Indiana and have been contemplating cycling to work.  It is about 6 miles so it wouldn't be too bad but it is all county roads until I hit town.  The roads are narrow and people absolutely fly down them. 

Has anyone had to deal with these kinds of conditions and how do you cope?

I spend a lot of time cycling on rural and county roads.  It's very important to study the area . . . often there is a slightly less direct way to get  where you want that avoids the faster and busier roads.  If you can't avoid faster/busier roads, get very bright rear lights and wear a bright and reflective jacket.  Stay to the side of the road, but make sure you've got enough space to react to potholes and bumps up ahead.
 You'll eventually get used to cycling around faster moving traffic (although liking it is another matter).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 14, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
- Most people new to cycling pedal far too slowly.  When you pedal slowly and push hard, you end up causing muscle fatigue and don't use your aerobic system as much.  You want high RPMs (80 - 100 at least) when climbing to be efficient.  This will put more load on your heart and less on your legs (although they'll still burn occasionally).  Next time you're climbing, try going to an easier gear than you normally would and simply pedaling faster.

My quads say thank you! I didn't end up changing my seat height--maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it just didn't feel comfortable set higher and it's not like I'm out there trying to race anybody--but this morning I went down to a gear that felt silly and focused on turnover. Cruised up the barely-hill and wasn't even out of breath.

How are all of my other fellow newbies doing this week? Did anybody get a great ride in over the weekend?

I meant to and forgot! :O I got in a wimpy ride instead. Going to try to fit in the longer one today or tomorrow, but it's complicated with how early it gets dark now.

You might want to try gradually raising your seat a bit, if you think it should be higher but it's a question of comfort. I need to raise my seat a third time because I keep underestimating (a) how high it should be and (b) how much it helps.

Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.

...whoops. At least I need a new chain anyway. Is it better to try to stick to mostly the middle gears?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on November 14, 2017, 02:40:59 PM

I am very thankful that the eagle XX1 chains seem to have very good longevity.  ;)

Even if you don't think your chain is going to wear out, it's still less efficient.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 14, 2017, 05:25:12 PM

I am very thankful that the eagle XX1 chains seem to have very good longevity.  ;)

Even if you don't think your chain is going to wear out, it's still less efficient.

HAHA!  Well, you may wonder why most manufacturers are moving to a 1X system.  It's great for MTB and CX.  1x is very popular these days.  Go into any bike shop and look at the drivetrains. 

It is more efficient, and lighter.  One less derailleur.  So less maintenance, better shifting, and lighter.   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
You might want to try gradually raising your seat a bit, if you think it should be higher but it's a question of comfort. I need to raise my seat a third time because I keep underestimating (a) how high it should be and (b) how much it helps.

Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.

...whoops. At least I need a new chain anyway. Is it better to try to stick to mostly the middle gears?

Your bike won't explode if you cross chain.  It just wears stuff out a bit faster, tends to cause rubbing and annoying noise, and is generally less efficient.

All you really have to remember is that if you're in your easiest (biggest) couple gears at the back, then go into your easiest (smallest) ring at the front.  If you're in your hardest (smallest) couple gears at the back, then go into your biggest ring at the front.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 14, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
I believe I misread. Correct me if I'm wrong: there is no problem with using the absolute lowest or absolute highest gear setting; the issue is using the lowest on one hand and highest on the other, where lowest/highest refers to number or difficulty rather than size. Yes? (i.e. using the hardest gear in the front and the easiest "climbing" gear in the back at the same time)

I am still learning all the terminology.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on November 14, 2017, 07:31:21 PM
You might want to try gradually raising your seat a bit, if you think it should be higher but it's a question of comfort. I need to raise my seat a third time because I keep underestimating (a) how high it should be and (b) how much it helps.

Please prevent yourself from cross chaining.  It stretches your chain and it is harder on your chainrings and cassette. A cross chain is being in the biggest gear in the back and the biggest in the front, or the smallest in the back and the smallest in the front.

...whoops. At least I need a new chain anyway. Is it better to try to stick to mostly the middle gears?

Your bike won't explode if you cross chain.  It just wears stuff out a bit faster, tends to cause rubbing and annoying noise, and is generally less efficient.

All you really have to remember is that if you're in your easiest (biggest) couple gears at the back, then go into your easiest (smallest) ring at the front.  If you're in your hardest (smallest) couple gears at the back, then go into your biggest ring at the front.

All the more reason that I love my 1x. 

...and why are there no emoticons on this site.  Are we too grown up for that? 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 28, 2017, 08:35:04 AM
Hey experts, can you help me think through a moment on my commute home? I'm never sure what to do with myself.

I have to go down a one-lane road with a bike lane. As it approaches Big Cross Street, it expands into three lanes and the bike lane disappears: so you've got a right turn lane, straight ahead lane, and a combo left turn/straight ahead lane. After the intersection, there are two travel lanes on my side of the street, and no bike lane. I need to proceed across Big Cross Street and then make a left turn a block later.

Currently, I'm riding in the bike lane until it phases out into the right turn lane, then hopping onto the sidewalk via a handy cut in the curb for the 20 remaining feet until the intersection. I wait at the corner until it's safe, then proceed across the intersection in the cross walk. I know riding on the sidewalk is bad, but I get rattled taking the straight-ahead travel lane because there's usually a long line of cars, and I can't stay right next to the curb because then I'm interfering with people trying to make a right turn. Where do I go?

Once I'm across the intersection, I wait until the line of cars has passed, then get back out into the right travel lane until I need to make the left turn a block later. Sometimes this means I have to come to a complete stop, though, since I'm working with four lanes of traffic, and there's no bike lane so I'm just standing in the road. This makes me nervous since sometimes I have to wait a while, and there's no easy way to get my bike up and down from the sidewalk there without dismounting. There's plenty of room for cars to pass but standing in a traffic lane just doesn't seem like a smart move.

What do I do with myself? In theory I could make the left turn at the original Big Cross Street via the left turn lane, but that spits me onto a busy road with a line of parked commuter cars that are also trying to get out (so lots of opening doors, people trying to bolt out of parallel spots before the next wave of traffic hits, etc.). I would also have to deal with a second busy intersection, while going up to the intersection that I'm using now means I'm on my own very quiet residential street the whole rest of the way home.

Help! Everything else is going smoothly at this point (knock on wood).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 28, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Thechnically - you're supposed to go straight through in the straight through lane, if it's narrow (ie not enough room to pass a cyclist safely and stay in the lane), then you should be in the middle of the lane and wait with the cars, once through the intersection merge into the right lane (watching for right turning cars from the other direction and cars going straight through in the turn lane) until you need to turn left... and then yes wait in the traffic lane to turn. This works really well for fast, confident cyclists... slower cyclists are likely to get harassed and dangerously passed (I get to be both depending on how much cargo I carry)

Now cyclists get yelled at a lot, for doing what their supposed to and doing what their not, so really there are a lot of different ways to get through this and your risk depends on a lot of different things. Does the sidewalk have driveways/alleys/parking lot exits and entrances and are their many pedestrians... if it doesn't have many of those and you are a slower biker I would stay on the sidewalk and walk my bike through the major intersection... then I might stay on the sidewalk all the way until you make a left (if there's a crosswalk there just get off your bike and get cars to yield... then continue on your quiet residential street home.) If there is no crosswalk, I might even use the Big cross street (it has lights? or crosswalks?) to get to the other side of the street and continue a block on the sidewalk.

Again, when riding on the sidewalk, remember sightlines around corners are not built for speed, so go slower (jogging pace), be considerate to pedestrians, and get off your bike for major intersections.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 28, 2017, 10:22:14 AM
In general if you have to bike in a lane for cars, you'll be safer occupying the entire lane than hugging the curb (assuming you are appropriately visible). Hugging the curb in a narrow lane invites cars to pass you dangerously. In the middle of the lane, it's clear they need to change lanes if they want to go around.

This is only something I do during a short interlude in which the bike lane has been eaten by construction, though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 28, 2017, 10:35:21 AM
Hey experts, can you help me think through a moment on my commute home? I'm never sure what to do with myself.

I have to go down a one-lane road with a bike lane. As it approaches Big Cross Street, it expands into three lanes and the bike lane disappears: so you've got a right turn lane, straight ahead lane, and a combo left turn/straight ahead lane. After the intersection, there are two travel lanes on my side of the street, and no bike lane. I need to proceed across Big Cross Street and then make a left turn a block later.

Currently, I'm riding in the bike lane until it phases out into the right turn lane, then hopping onto the sidewalk via a handy cut in the curb for the 20 remaining feet until the intersection. I wait at the corner until it's safe, then proceed across the intersection in the cross walk. I know riding on the sidewalk is bad, but I get rattled taking the straight-ahead travel lane because there's usually a long line of cars, and I can't stay right next to the curb because then I'm interfering with people trying to make a right turn. Where do I go?

Once I'm across the intersection, I wait until the line of cars has passed, then get back out into the right travel lane until I need to make the left turn a block later. Sometimes this means I have to come to a complete stop, though, since I'm working with four lanes of traffic, and there's no bike lane so I'm just standing in the road. This makes me nervous since sometimes I have to wait a while, and there's no easy way to get my bike up and down from the sidewalk there without dismounting. There's plenty of room for cars to pass but standing in a traffic lane just doesn't seem like a smart move.

What do I do with myself? In theory I could make the left turn at the original Big Cross Street via the left turn lane, but that spits me onto a busy road with a line of parked commuter cars that are also trying to get out (so lots of opening doors, people trying to bolt out of parallel spots before the next wave of traffic hits, etc.). I would also have to deal with a second busy intersection, while going up to the intersection that I'm using now means I'm on my own very quiet residential street the whole rest of the way home.

Help! Everything else is going smoothly at this point (knock on wood).

If you need to use the sidewalk because it's too dangerous, you should dismount your bike and walk.  Walk to the intersection, cross over at the intersection, walk (on the opposing sidewalk) to the next intersection, cross it, and then get on your bike and join back in with traffic.  If that's going too slow for you, then stay on the road.

I have a very similar intersection and left hand turn on my way to work every morning.  I ride the bike lane and start shoulder checking well before it has ended.  Merge over into the straight through lane near where the bike lane ends, and take the lane if it's very narrow.  Once you're past the intersection, signal your left turn, shoulder check, and move into the left lane as it becomes free.  I'll usually move to the left side of the lane at this point, this gives aggressive drivers the chance to floor it around me on the right hand side.  Signal, and then make your turn at the intersection.

If traffic is too busy or fast moving in your area for that (which happens), you could ride to the intersection where you need to make the left hand turn, and then dismount on the sidewalk.  Cross the street as a pedestrian, wait until there's a free spot in the traffic, and remount and continue on your way up the road.  (This bypasses the need to merge to the left lane entirely.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on November 28, 2017, 11:57:41 AM
Thanks all. I'm a really slow biker so I worry about people getting road rage when I have to take the whole lane, but I know I need to work on getting over it. Fortunately there's quite a bit of bike traffic on this route, so most people are used to driving with cyclists.

GuitarStv, I'm going to try what you outline tomorrow.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on November 28, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
If there's lots of bike commuter traffic in the area, a fun thing to try and organize is a "bike train".  Check if there are any bicycle advocacy groups in your area- they may already be organizing them.

Every day, it follows a preset route with stops where everybody waits for 5 minutes or so to jump on the bike train. (usually at least one stop is someplace for coffee in the morning/beer in the evening). The group is led by a conductor who keeps the schedule and everybody together.

Folks can also join up or jump off whenever is convenient. 

It gives both safety in numbers as well as some people to chat with on the ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 28, 2017, 03:06:16 PM
Thanks all. I'm a really slow biker so I worry about people getting road rage when I have to take the whole lane, but I know I need to work on getting over it. Fortunately there's quite a bit of bike traffic on this route, so most people are used to driving with cyclists.

GuitarStv, I'm going to try what you outline tomorrow.

Don't give up hope . . . there's almost always a safe work-around to a troubling vehicular cycling situation when you give the scenario a lot of thought!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on November 28, 2017, 04:38:43 PM
Thanks all. I'm a really slow biker so I worry about people getting road rage when I have to take the whole lane, but I know I need to work on getting over it. Fortunately there's quite a bit of bike traffic on this route, so most people are used to driving with cyclists.

GuitarStv, I'm going to try what you outline tomorrow.

If you stick with it, it's pretty much inevitable that you will get faster.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: zeli2033 on December 03, 2017, 09:14:35 PM
Thanks all. I'm a really slow biker so I worry about people getting road rage when I have to take the whole lane, but I know I need to work on getting over it. Fortunately there's quite a bit of bike traffic on this route, so most people are used to driving with cyclists.

I worry about this as well. I'm a very new bike commuter (live two miles from work, been commuting by bike for 3 months now and going strong into rainy fall/winter!).

Living in a fairly bike-friendly town should make this simpler but it actually makes me more nervous when there are long lines of cars AND experienced cyclists behind me. Slowly but surely, I've been gaining a little more confidence the more I do it. Happy to see I'm not alone in this.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on December 04, 2017, 03:01:39 PM
Great to see a thread on this. I’ve commuted by bike for several years now. I’m based in the UK. It’s only just over 7 miles for me a day so nothing massively impressive.

I’m not sure if anyone can help me (maybe Canadian cyclists) but the biggest issue I have this time of year, when there is a frost is my hands. I wear three pairs of gloves but they are still frozen and hurt like crazy when I arrive at work! Anyone got any tips here please? All my other extremities are fine but my hands are in agony.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on December 04, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Great to see a thread on this. I’ve commuted by bike for several years now. I’m based in the UK. It’s only just over 7 miles for me a day so nothing massively impressive.

I’m not sure if anyone can help me (maybe Canadian cyclists) but the biggest issue I have this time of year, when there is a frost is my hands. I wear three pairs of gloves but they are still frozen and hurt like crazy when I arrive at work! Anyone got any tips here please? All my other extremities are fine but my hands are in agony.

Invest in bar mitts.  They are worth it. I have these on my bike in Winter. 

https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126178521?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrcnAxMHx1wIVCsZkCh2T8gywEAQYAyABEgKT0_D_BwE

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 04, 2017, 05:56:36 PM
I’m not sure if anyone can help me (maybe Canadian cyclists) but the biggest issue I have this time of year, when there is a frost is my hands. I wear three pairs of gloves but they are still frozen and hurt like crazy when I arrive at work! Anyone got any tips here please? All my other extremities are fine but my hands are in agony.

I ride pretty comfortably down to about -8 C with two light weight pairs of jogging gloves layered.  A few things that work well for me:
- Keep your core and your arms warm.  If your core is warm enough, your body will shunt extra heat to your extremities.  If your core gets just slightly too cool, your body stops doing this as a survival mechanism.
- Your gloves should not be snug.  Things that are tight cut off your circulation, and circulation is needed to keep you warm.  They don't need to be hanging off you, but try going up a size and see if it helps.
- If possible get an outer layer that's windproof/waterproof and an inner layer that's insulating.

When it gets below -8 I will switch to heavy duty skiing gloves.  They're too thick to work STI shifters, so that's when I pull out the winter bike with bar ends.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on December 04, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
With bar mitts, most gloves are sufficient.  I can't say enough good things about these things.  If those are too expensive, some modified water jugs would do the trick.  The problem with the cold is the forward motion and the wind.  That can blow through most gloves.  Nice gloves are pretty expensive.  I have a pair of Castellis that are pretty divine, when I ride my bike without the bar mitts. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on December 04, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
Hi, thank you so much for all the replies, much appreciated. I have experimented with various glove styles and combinations over the years. Nothing seems to have worked. Often reviews are left by people saying their hands are toasty warm wearing them but they haven’t worked for me.

My current combination is a silk glove (apparently skiers wear these?) followed by a neoprene layer followed by a thicker waterproof type glove. I just about have enough feel to change gears and brake here! I am travelling about 6:30am when I have the trouble. During the day and early evening I don’t have the problem. The rest of my body is warm and my feet, ears etc don’t have an issue.

Thanks very much for the links. I’ll take a look at some other products. I haven’t seen bar mitts before. I have a downhill a few minutes in and it’s definitely the airflow here that gets my hands off to a very cold start.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on December 05, 2017, 07:38:53 AM
The root problem of cold hands is a cold core.  When your core temp starts to fall, your body starts to shut off blood flow to your extremities.  The warmest gloves in the world aren't going to make a difference if your core isn't warm enough.  I would try adding another layer, like a vest.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on December 05, 2017, 07:41:15 AM
Hi, thank you so much for all the replies, much appreciated. I have experimented with various glove styles and combinations over the years. Nothing seems to have worked. Often reviews are left by people saying their hands are toasty warm wearing them but they haven’t worked for me.

My current combination is a silk glove (apparently skiers wear these?) followed by a neoprene layer followed by a thicker waterproof type glove. I just about have enough feel to change gears and brake here! I am travelling about 6:30am when I have the trouble. During the day and early evening I don’t have the problem. The rest of my body is warm and my feet, ears etc don’t have an issue.

Thanks very much for the links. I’ll take a look at some other products. I haven’t seen bar mitts before. I have a downhill a few minutes in and it’s definitely the airflow here that gets my hands off to a very cold start.

This is going to seem very tacky, but I have seen some people use milk jugs crafted to the bars for the winter.  It works double duty, you can keep your hands dry and warmer.  It keeps the wind off well, and you can't beat the price.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
We have a few winter cyclists with Raynaud's syndrome - it contributes to poor circulation in the hands and therefore they struggle with cold hands. From what I've read, they survive using either the chemical hot packs (apparently you can put these in the fridge - to slow the reaction - after your morning ride and they will still work on the ride home) or even battery heated mitts/gloves.

I wear merino wool liners, and then down ski mitts. I can still reach my brakes and I have twist shift.  The liners are important for locking/unlocking so that my hands don't get to cold right at the start, as they never warm up. This works for me down to about -25C, but if I had a commute longer than about 30 minutes I would invest in bar mitts at that temp.

You can also get lobster gloves that keep more fingers together but still allow for shifting/braking, but I find mitts keep me toasty and nimble enough.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on December 05, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
My winter ride.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on December 05, 2017, 09:44:20 AM
Just added bar mitts to my amazon wish list. These look amazing and my hands always get cold so I think this will really be helpful riding in the winter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on December 05, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
I wear 4 layers when it’s very cold so I don’t think my core is cold. Everything is fine except the hands. I do appreciate everyone’s comments on what they do. Some of the temperatures quoted are far below those that I have to put up with.

I have a fairly icy remote country lane that is never treated on the commute. It can be a bit treacherous. I’m wondering if on the very cold days I would be better off walking. My hands have always been fine walking. That way I avoid the treacherous lane and the cold hands. That may be the best way to proceed over the next couple of months or so.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ACyclist on December 05, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
It was 19 today for my ride.  My hands were toasty. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 05, 2017, 10:35:34 AM
I wear 4 layers when it’s very cold so I don’t think my core is cold. Everything is fine except the hands. I do appreciate everyone’s comments on what they do. Some of the temperatures quoted are far below those that I have to put up with.

I have a fairly icy remote country lane that is never treated on the commute. It can be a bit treacherous. I’m wondering if on the very cold days I would be better off walking. My hands have always been fine walking. That way I avoid the treacherous lane and the cold hands. That may be the best way to proceed over the next couple of months or so.

What kind of covering is on your handlebars?  Aluminum is a great conductor of heat away from the body.  Cork bar wrap, and some of the thicker rubber grips provide OK insulation about this.  If you have very thin grips this could be worsening your cold hands problem.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on December 05, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
My commuter is a rigid forked mountain bike. So the grips are the fairly standard rubber mountain bike size. They aren’t thin. That’s a good thought. The bar/grips doesn’t feel cold. I’m sure its the air flow that is the culprit.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: eightyeighttoone on December 07, 2017, 12:12:16 AM
My wife and I mountain bike pretty regularly, but I'm terrified to ride on the roads around here. We live in the mountains of East Tennessee. The locals here have their vices... some smoke meth, others "roll coal" in big lifted trucks, either way these curvy roads are most of the time treated like a race car track... I get nervous even in a car. I used to ride a DRZ400, but after having children I sold that for fear of them being without a father. I have read the blog post about fear, and have looked at the studies, but I still have fear. Am I being silly?

Thinking that everybody on the road is some methed out redneck ready to roll coal on you might be a bit silly. However, having a healthy respect for roads with low visibility and fast moving traffic is not.   

I typically avoid such roads, because riding in fast moving traffic is just no fun, but sometimes you have to do it to get where you are going.  I deal with this by:
1. Staying seen. Lights, day-glo reflective vests, festive hawaiian shirts, whatever it takes. 
2. Ride respectfully. Try not to unnecessarily impede traffic. Pull over for a bit if you do.  Use hand signals. 
3. Stay aware. Look around, try and anticipate what people will do. Looking drivers in the eye really helps. 

Sure, there's the occasional nitwit that does something or yells something* out the window, but be happy- that means they saw you.  It's the ones that don't see you that will get you. 

*Best thing ever yelled out a car window at me: "GET A JOB, ASSHOLE!"

Thanks for the input, and the laugh at the end. haha Get a Job!

As someone who grew up in the northeast TN as a "local", I understand your concern regarding the combination of narrow, curvy, 2 lane mountain roads with NO shoulder on the one hand, and a not insignificant percentage of drivers who are either imitating Dale Earnhardt (rest in peace), or who maybe spilled their beer and are reaching for it down in the passenger seat.... Ok maybe I exaggerate a little.... But I feel ya. I live in Colorado now and biking here is a dream. I would be uncomfortable on a lot of roads in East TN (except Knoxville, JC, and few other spots.) On the other hand, the thrill of risking your life every day during your bike commute could add to the enjoyment. Some roads just aren't as bike friendly as others. That being said, didn't Lance Armstrong decide to start riding again after doing Beech Mtn, NC?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: marielle on December 07, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
Lesson learned this week: Bring some sort of glasses when riding because it might rain on the ride home. Thankfully it was a short ride!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: JanetJackson on December 07, 2017, 06:39:37 AM
Posting because I did my first work ride yesterday!
On Sunday the transmission blew in my old Honda... so for the day job I am using a company car and reimbursing for personal miles.  Well, on the two days a week that I don't go to the office, I have a dog walking business and serve a 5-mile and under radius.  Welp, I didn't want to reimburse the company, so I hopped on the bike I inherited from my grandfather when he passed away last year (he was an avid cyclist).
I served two clients and overall it was MAYBE a 3.5 mile round trip.  I did have to walk up the steepest hill in town at about halfway... I was in the lowest gear and standing, but baaaarely moving and tipping over.  I also got really sweaty and realized just how hard cycling is.  It was about 42 degrees here, but felt ok.
I neither feel encouraged or discouraged about cycling more- pretty neutral... But I think I'll likely try it for the two times a week that I serve pet clients.  I need to get a light, helmet, and lock (I had to bring my bike inside people's houses... not everyone will be cool with that).

Anyways... YAY!  I did it.  I was moving like molasses and heaving and panting (I don't even consider myself out-of-shape... so... hmmmm), but I DID IT!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on December 07, 2017, 07:29:29 AM
We have a few winter cyclists with Raynaud's syndrome - it contributes to poor circulation in the hands and therefore they struggle with cold hands. From what I've read, they survive using either the chemical hot packs (apparently you can put these in the fridge - to slow the reaction - after your morning ride and they will still work on the ride home) or even battery heated mitts/gloves.

I have Raynaud's and the chemical hot packs are a must for me every winter.  Better than sticking them in the fridge - put them in a washed out jar of baby food.  (Or ziplock bag, but I think the jar works better.)  They react to air, so when you take away the air, they stay good to use later. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: frompa on December 07, 2017, 01:43:33 PM
Posting because I did my first work ride yesterday!
On Sunday the transmission blew in my old Honda... so for the day job I am using a company car and reimbursing for personal miles.  Well, on the two days a week that I don't go to the office, I have a dog walking business and serve a 5-mile and under radius.  Welp, I didn't want to reimburse the company, so I hopped on the bike I inherited from my grandfather when he passed away last year (he was an avid cyclist).
I served two clients and overall it was MAYBE a 3.5 mile round trip.  I did have to walk up the steepest hill in town at about halfway... I was in the lowest gear and standing, but baaaarely moving and tipping over.  I also got really sweaty and realized just how hard cycling is.  It was about 42 degrees here, but felt ok.
I neither feel encouraged or discouraged about cycling more- pretty neutral... But I think I'll likely try it for the two times a week that I serve pet clients.  I need to get a light, helmet, and lock (I had to bring my bike inside people's houses... not everyone will be cool with that).

Anyways... YAY!  I did it.  I was moving like molasses and heaving and panting (I don't even consider myself out-of-shape... so... hmmmm), but I DID IT!

GOOD FOR YOU!!!! Even though you are in shape, you will get more in shape the more you ride, and there's nothing like hills to take care of that for you.  Good luck with your longer term plan!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cazio on December 08, 2017, 08:29:38 PM
Joining! I start back to school in January and I plan to bike from home to school each day (and hopefully back - otherwise taking public transport and biking combo). I'm a total biking noob so it'll be a new experience for me!

I am incredibly lucky in that 90% of my route will be on a designated bike path - no busy roads to deal with beyond crossing one "highway" to get back on the path.  Best part - home to school is all downhill, and the uphill isn't that bad on the way back!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on December 10, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
I took a bike trip out to the bulk grocery store yesterday for my longest ride yet at 17.6 miles round trip. Mostly just for practice; I only bought one thing. I had a rain check I wanted to use before it expired. I did walk up the worst hill - almost a 10% grade for over half a mile. Geez. Got passed by a jogger going up that sucker.

I probably won't repeat that trip - I'd prefer to buy in bulk at the bulk store, and the bike infrastructure really broke down once we got close - but it's nice to know I can do it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Suzanne on December 21, 2017, 04:54:44 AM
This is a thread for those of us getting started on biking more often to catalogue our progress and challenge each other, as well as for those of you more experienced with bikes to give us tips if you like!

Why to start biking:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/18/get-rich-with-bikes/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/18/get-rich-with-bikes/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/06/13/bicycling-the-safest-form-of-transportation/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/06/07/safety-is-an-expensive-illusion/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/06/07/safety-is-an-expensive-illusion/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/)
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/ (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/)

Consider the gauntlet thrown.



I bought a Trek FX 7.0 2016 in August for $200 off Craigslist. Since then I have made it my goal to go biking 3 times a week - a goal I am mostly failing at, but improving in pursuit of - and to visit the grocery store exclusively by bike. Last weekend I did a practice trip to work for the first time (10 miles round trip including three major hills). I was successful, but I don't quite feel ready to brave the same trip during rush hour, work a full day in the middle, and head home in the dark.

Incidentally, I've also started swimming recently, which is hopefully also contributing to an improved endurance. Getting my tires properly inflated and my seat adjusted to the proper height were also like a magical automatic endurance boosts. And I've started waking up and heading to work earlier in hopes of being able to do both-directions commuting in daylight, despite the time change.

So, my current goals:
  • All grocery trips by bike
  • One longer bike ride (over 5 mi) each weekend
  • Start biking to work once a week
  • Replace my rusty bike chain
What are you working on?

Yeah I am just working on my bike to bring house holds that my family needs. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on January 03, 2018, 07:52:42 AM
First ride in single-digit temps this morning! Still need to work on dialing in the right layers. Hands and legs were fine. Feet were freezing, even in fleece-lined boots and thick socks. Core was sweaty, even after unzipping my coat halfway through. Head was a weird combination of too hot under the headband I put on midway because my ears were frigid, and too cold everywhere else.

I don't know why this is so much harder than dressing for running.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 03, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
My 2018 goal is to get to a point of regularly doing half of my travel miles by bike. Two days of work commute plus all grocery, library, beach, etc trips each week should achieve that. At this point I CAN bike to work - on a day off. Still feeling a bit overwhelmed by the prospect of working an entire day in the middle.

The days getting longer again will help.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on January 08, 2018, 06:44:30 AM
Got to experience my first car-induced crash this morning, hooray. I've been doing three days of bike-commuting and miscellaneous errands for a couple of months now, and I've found drivers to be polite, careful, and courteous. Except for this asshole.

I live in a city that got hammered with bomb cyclone snow. The roads are generally clear at this point, so I figured I'd be okay to ride to work this morning. I was going through an intersection as the light turned yellow, riding in the travel lane because I could see that the bike lane wasn't clear. The light turns red as I'm clearing the intersection. Then this asshole comes FLYING up behind me running the red light, and I have to take a nice dive into a five-inch ice bank. I whacked my knee pretty good, but am otherwise okay. Other cars waiting at the now-red light rolled down their windows and told me that the dude was a jerk and they couldn't believe he was driving like that, so at least I got some solidarity.

I'd like to think that being smack in the middle of the car lane, instead of towards the right side, would have helped...but honestly I don't know that it would have, because this dude was driving really effing fast and clearly had no interest in respecting anyone else on the road.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 08, 2018, 09:26:41 AM
This is my second year riding. I've noticed while riding, driving or walking that there are always drivers that do things like that in bad weather. People that can't be bothered to change how they drive regardless of the road conditions. It's one of the reasons I prefer biking or taking transit in the winter, actually, because there are so many irresponsible drivers out on the busier roads.

I use a backpack in the winter for warmth. I get sweaty no matter what - I could be wearing a t-shirt and I'd still sweat, so I like the heat holding help of a pack when it's cold out.

I'm still figuring out how to layer properly. I borrowed my son's mountain bike for winter commuting last year and the bar mitts were pure heaven. Keeping wind off my hands made such a huge difference. This year I'm riding my steel drop handlebar bike and have been layering thin gloves under ski gloves. They've been ok but my hands do feel cold getting back on the bike after it's been locked outside (I keep it inside at home).

I use the chemical warmers in my boots because my toes are chronically cold in winter. I've learned that if I can keep my arms warm I mentally feel warmer overall so I always wear wool arm warmers that I bought cheap off amazon. Ski goggles if it's below 25F or so, and a face mask around that temp. If it's warmer than that I prefer just a buff or scarf.

Basically it's a lot of fussing and trying different things until I figure out what works best in different conditions and for different rides (commuting vs. a social ride etc).

My favorite thing about riding in the winter is that last week at -11F I was toasty warm on my bike, whereas I would have been freezing in my car that would have never warmed up in time to be comfortable.

There are quite a few bike shops here that have winter maintenance specials - priced very reasonably, most are less than the cost of a tank of gasoline. I love that option for people who ride consistently but don't have the space at home or the knowledge yet to do a lot of the routine work. You pay a membership and then can take your bike in as often as you want. My friends that use it take their bikes in weekly from December through April.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on January 08, 2018, 10:28:44 AM
@fluffmuffin, I hope you've stopped shaking! It sounds like good defensive biking on your part, and the snow probably cushioned your fall. I've only had one such near miss where I had to brake so hard I almost went over the handlebars. It took most of the day to calm down, and at least a week or two before I could relax on my commute again. I was told it is kind of like falling off a horse, the sooner your able to get back up the better - easier said than done.

After 3 winters I have pretty much dialed down how to stay warm. For the most part, I like to bike in my regular work clothes and strive to go at a pace that keeps me warm without working up a sweat. If I'm out on more of a faster longer commute with the goal to change and shower at work, then I always carry a back up down vest/jacket in case I have a flat and have to walk or bus anywhere. Being sweaty and underdressed is a dangerous combo in the winter.

I found having a thermometer outside my door (instead of relying on the weather report), and a journal to record what I wore.. sometimes road conditions (you work a lot harder in the slush!), really helped me figure out just how to dress.

I definitely over dress my feet and hands, and underdress my core. However if my hands and feet are still getting cold then I add a layer to my legs/arms (long underwear or leg warmers, or arm warmers).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 08, 2018, 11:28:58 AM
Oh @fluffmuffin I totally missed your story! That is a bummer :(

I'm glad you're mostly okay and it sounds as though you reacted quickly!

I haven't ridden much on rural roads with any traffic, but in the city I usually have a sense of the vehicles that are going to just plow ahead regardless of where in the lane I am.

@Kmp2 I definitely need to keep a journal of my clothing this year! I feel like I'm learning all over again this year.

I just got a recommendation last week to use Weather Underground to check weather rather than the usual reports. It is extremely accurate in our cities, anyway - reports real temps from a bunch of neighborhood locations instead of just the airport, for example, so it's much better for knowing what the temp is like on my exact route.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on January 09, 2018, 08:10:52 AM
Thanks @katscratch and @Kmp2. I've got a couple of nice big bruises today, but am still okay! I actually grew up riding horses, so while it was stressful and upsetting, I don't think it's rattled me that much overall. I didn't have a problem getting back on to (very cautiously) complete my ride to work. I've gotten back on after way, way worse falls from horses. Back to the bike tomorrow!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 12, 2018, 06:03:21 PM
Took me an hour today to change my bike chain - I paid special attention to the derailleurs and then failed to thread the chain through the front gearshift correctly. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that I didn't have to shorten my new chain at all, measuring it against the chain that came on the bike... and only after I was riding around testing it out did I realize that probably just means the last owner didn't know how to measure the chain length correctly.

Hopefully this means when I put the chain on for a third time (after I watch a youtube video on how to do it right) I'll discover I'm better at biking than I thought?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 12, 2018, 06:35:29 PM
Running a slightly too long chain doesn't really hurt anything.  It will just be a tad noisier and a few grams heavier.  Make sure you don't shorten it too much though - you can wreck your rear derailleur.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 12, 2018, 06:42:06 PM
Running a slightly too long chain doesn't really hurt anything.  It will just be a tad noisier and a few grams heavier.  Make sure you don't shorten it too much though - you can wreck your rear derailleur.

Hmm, in that case maybe I won't bother to shorten it. My fingers are still sore from pinching that quicklink.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on January 26, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
All I have to say is Chamois Butt'r:
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Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 26, 2018, 03:21:10 PM
It's not as fun a name as
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1278/4939/products/DZnuts_mens_pro_chamois_cream.jpg?v=1494011268)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on January 26, 2018, 03:30:02 PM
Anything is fine, but day after day in the saddle, especially if things don't fully dry between rides can lead to a need for a cream of some sort to stave off major skin disasters.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 02, 2018, 05:00:36 PM
I go to the nearby university (2 miles down the road) 2-4 times a week, and I'm considering leaving my bike at work to cut down on driving that distance. In order to be worthwhile, though, I also need my bike at home to be able to bike to the library on weekends, so I'd be leaving my car at work on weekends. Perfectly safe, but I'm worried about the lack of flexibility this complicated arrangement might entail.

Cons:
- requires night biking
- biking to grocery from work involves busier roads
- complicated and inflexible
- have to figure out how to bike with a viola strapped to me
- only saves 7 miles of driving a week over what I do now

Pros:
- the university is safe to bike and probably flatter than home
- forces me to bike to work once a week (but to/from are split on different days, and I can do the hard part on a weekend)
- I have roommates with cars who work in the same place as me, should an emergency arise
- adds 20 miles of biking a week to my current average (12 miles)

Not sure if it's worth it. I might give it a trial week when I have a slow period.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on February 02, 2018, 05:25:08 PM
No harm in giving it a try.  You don't have to commit 100% either, you could just do every other weekend.

A viola is small enough that you can fit 'em in a hard case in a big backpack, which is the route I'd take.  Stuff bounces around more in panniers/baskets than on your back because your knees and arms work as shock absorbers the whole time you're cycling.

Cycling at night is no biggie.  Get some very bright lights and some reflective stuff and you should be fine.

The key benefit to this is not money saved (although there should be a bit in that category), it's in added daily exercise.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 03, 2018, 11:40:52 PM
Found my bike with my first flat when I tried to take it to the grocery today. :/ Guess that's another useful skill to learn sooner rather than later.

Thus far I've mostly thrown small but necessary expenses into the bike without concern - helmet, lock, new chain + tool, new light. Now probably a new tube, maybe better reflective gear, a new strap so I can transport my viola... it's probably approaching $100 now, on top of the $200 for the bike itself. I suppose if I save even $3 in gas every month that's still a 12% annual return, I'm just wondering how far I need to follow this pattern.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Overflow on February 04, 2018, 06:09:37 AM
Posting to following.

I bike 95% of the time to work, but it's less than a mile through neighborhood streets. Nothing compared to what some of you guys do. But, it's still Michigan so snowstorms aren't rare on my commute.

However, I am still an extreme bike novice so I need to be on here to learn from the masters.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on February 04, 2018, 08:02:37 AM
@Tass I found the first 12-18 months I was biking I had similar expenses pop up regularly. This year I haven't spent a thing yet because I have all the basics sorted out for year-round cycling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixup on February 04, 2018, 08:15:23 AM
Been riding my ebike to work and back (20 mile round trip) all winter in NJ, except for a few days when the snow was ridiculous and I had yet to get my studded tire.

I finally did get one, just for the front, and it's been a huge help. Had one day where it snowed pretty hard and a few icy road/trail days, but the front tire gave me pretty good traction overall.

With that said, I had my first little tumble last week. Made it all the way to my work parking lot in the morning and totally wasn't thinking. Turned into it and as soon as my back tire crossed the threshold from street to parking lot it just shot out from under me. Not a big deal at all, was going maybe 5-8 mph at most. With all the layers I had on, didn't even get a scrape. Little knee bruise. Luckily I think only one person was around to see it lol. I think I managed to go down pretty gracefully though :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mountain mustache on February 04, 2018, 10:31:33 AM
I should preface this by saying that I've worked in the bike industry since I have been an adult working person, and so you generally are harassed for driving your car to work, ha! But, I commuted through 5 winters in Colorado, 5-15 miles each way ( depending on the job) and I really enjoyed it, and learned a lot!
Key things for me:
 1.  Get a mountain bike for commuting. Now, I own about 3 of these (for racing, riding, etc) but I think a mountain bike makes the most sense for year round commuting if you only want to own 1 bike. Preferably a hardtail of the metal variety (steel, aluminum, titanium), could be rigid, or have front suspension. Sure, wider tires are a bit slower on dry pavement, but riding through slush and ice and snow feels so much safer with knobby trail tires. I never found the need for studs, just ran lower pressure depending on the surface. Mountain bikes usually come with disc brakes (better stopping in all weather), low gears (for your steep hills), and honestly are just more stable for any abrupt moves you might have to make in traffic. Knobby tires also allow you to "bail"  aka hit the dirt when you feel like a car is being unsafe. I also feel like I take up more space in the road when I'm on the mountain bike, which makes me feel more visible. You can put racks, fenders, whatever floats your boat on a mountain bike with plenty of room.

2. Bar mitts, Bar mitts, Bar mitts. This cannot be emphasized enough. Just buy them! They are not that expensive, and make a HUGE difference. I went two winters freezing my fingers off in my -5 degree rated ski gloves...nothing takes the chill out of a 2 mile downhill start when it is -10 outside! The bar mitts enable you to wear lighter gloves, which means you have more braking, and shifting function with your fingers. Which means you will be safer.

3. Winter Shoes. This is a big one, and also a more expensive one. I also was stubborn on the uptake with winter shoes, and regret it because some of my toes have never been the same after 2 winters of sub zero commuting in my summer riding shoes. Lake makes in my opinion the best winter shoes out there, but you can't go wrong with 45 North either. If you're on flat pedals, any winter snow boot will function just fine as well, as long as it is WATERPROOF and insulated. I commuted on clipless pedals, so went with a more cycling specific setup in the Lake MX303 shoes...which I purchased new 4 years ago, and they still look perfect.

4. Lights. Not just any lights either, you need bright, day time running lights that are specifically for extreme visibility. I wouldn't ride or commute without a Bontrager Flare R light. My interaction with cars since using this light has been remarkably different. It has an irregular beam pattern which grabs drivers attention, and it is bright enough to be seen a mile away. The front light they make to pair with this light is also excellent, and they both make perfect night time lights for the way home. They are also USB rechargeable, so no pesky batteries to worry about! Don't skimp and buy cheap Blinky lights, it's your life! It's worth it!

5. Fenders. Doesn't matter how cheap they are, most fenders work great. Just get them...nothing worse than a cold, wet butt after a 12 mile ride into work.

6. Cycling clothes. Personally, I never rode to work in the clothing I was wearing all day. You get sweaty, and/or wet from snow/rain, etc...it's just not worth it. Just a pair of basic black cycling shorts works, and in the winter I wear waterproof baggy pants over, and then a basic base layer, fleece mid layer, and waterproof jacket over (if it's snowing/raining). In the summer I'm all about the tank tops( some sort of wicking running top)  and riding shorts! The less clothing the better, it gets warm when you're toting your lunch and clothes and shoes!

7. Bag. Make sure it's waterproof, and has enough room for all your crap. If you've got a rack system, awesome! Ortlieb makes great roll top, waterproof panniers. I've found if I'm carrying things on my back, a traditional backpack works best, and messenger bags end up being really uncomfortable after about 2-3 miles. Better to distribute the weight evenly, than killing that one shoulder with all the weight.

I could probably list so many things, but TLDR right? The biggest thing I picked up from commuting so much was always have gear for the worst conditions...I recommended a waterproof bag...not because it rains every day, but why would you have something that would't protect you if it did? We always say here in CO, there's no bad weather, just bad gear. If you're prepared for anything, you'll have way less excuses, and find yourself enjoying the commuting process a ton! I can remember so many mornings being the only bike on the road, because it snowed 6 inches overnight, and it was zero out...it always felt so special, like I had this privilege of first tracks in the snow, with no one else around! Commuting by bike became my mental health time, to process my day after work, or prepare myself for work in the morning. It's the best!

I should also mention that I am a lucky duck now and live less than a mile from work! I feel like I've earned it after 5 winters of living pretty far, haha! It's still cold and snowy, but now I can walk if I feel like it and not worry about all the gear, which is a nice treat.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on February 04, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
I've had these thoughts a few times while reading this thread and haven't quite figured out how to articulate them in a gentle way. My own disclaimer - I'm comfortable enough biking year-round and part of my local cycling community enough now to take advice and use the parts that work for me, but I've only been riding for 18 months after about 10 years off a bike entirely and only riding a beach cruiser before that.

I worry sometimes in these discussions about the disconnect of someone who has cycled for a long time between offering super helpful advice and gear tips versus just encouraging people to get out there, trying it out for themselves and improving along the way. The many people I see commuting to work at all hours on crappy Walmart bikes, in jeans and normal shoes, aren't reading lists online of what they need. They may not have other options for transport and having been carless not by choice myself in the past I know some people are probably miserable during their commute, but they show it's possible to start out with just a bike.

Cycling in many regions tends to already have a lot of barriers to finding a decent bike (for what people want to use it for) with proper fit without judgment. Your posts (and others upthread that are also super informative and equally well-intentioned) are not judgmental at all but it's a very different perspective than someone who is totally new to cycling.

I definitely mean no disrespect - I've found some of the things on these lists make winter commuting especially fun rather than just bearable - but I wouldn't want anyone lurking and reading a thread specifically asking for newbie support to be discouraged from just trying it out because they don't have something specific that a seasoned cyclist has.

My thoughts really aren't even directed at any one advice post in particular - it's more a nagging thought about cycling in general. I've been at city committee meetings asking how to get more folks bike commuting. The biggest conversion rates have come from people who started out doing monthly low speed social rides with a local non profit that is incredibly welcoming to newbies, so it's a subject that I've spent a lot of time thinking and talking about in the last year or so.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 04, 2018, 11:43:25 AM
^ I started out with a bike, a helmet, and a lock. Admittedly it's always summer here so I don't have to worry about winter preparedness, but I am definitely a minimalist about the gear I need.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ElizaStache on February 06, 2018, 01:09:57 PM
I just bought my bike this weekend! I'm looking forward to getting to the point where I can do my 6.5 mile with slight incline trip to work nearly every day. I haven't been on a bike in years.

I come from a family of cyclists, I used to do track racing at the velodrome that was right by my house. my dad and brother were always more into it. I got hit by a car while I was on my bike while on my way to school when I was 16, so I wasn't too happy. I've always been happy to walk or take the bus for bikeable distances. Unfortunately I don't have a bus that runs by my work, and I'm unhappy driving that short of a distance, so I'm trying it out.

It's interesting that there's an interurban trail right by my place that gets me part of the way to work much safer than if I tried to go along the busy road, which would be much too dangerous even if I was more experienced. I'm still finalizing my route and now I just need to practice it a few times before I go for the actual commute to make sure I'm not late or too out of shape to do it.

I also need to buy a bell, a repair kit, lights, and a lock. I have a reflective vest for now. I have a Cookie Monster jersey.

I'm looking forward to seeing if I can refill my car tank once every other month instead of the once a month I'm at right now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on February 06, 2018, 04:28:43 PM
I just bought my bike this weekend! I'm looking forward to getting to the point where I can do my 6.5 mile with slight incline trip to work nearly every day. I haven't been on a bike in years.

I come from a family of cyclists, I used to do track racing at the velodrome that was right by my house. my dad and brother were always more into it. I got hit by a car while I was on my bike while on my way to school when I was 16, so I wasn't too happy. I've always been happy to walk or take the bus for bikeable distances. Unfortunately I don't have a bus that runs by my work, and I'm unhappy driving that short of a distance, so I'm trying it out.

It's interesting that there's an interurban trail right by my place that gets me part of the way to work much safer than if I tried to go along the busy road, which would be much too dangerous even if I was more experienced. I'm still finalizing my route and now I just need to practice it a few times before I go for the actual commute to make sure I'm not late or too out of shape to do it.

I also need to buy a bell, a repair kit, lights, and a lock. I have a reflective vest for now. I have a Cookie Monster jersey.

I'm looking forward to seeing if I can refill my car tank once every other month instead of the once a month I'm at right now.

6.5 is a nice doable distance. When you look at route options, consider options that make it longer if it gets you onto a trail or a street with very clear bike lanes. I actually prefer a lot of busy streets in my city because if they’re a state highway or other major arterial they have very nice bike lanes, and cars are somewhat accustomed to seeing cyclists, unlike on some streets that seem safer/quieter. But YMMV and comfort level definitely increases  over time :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robtown on February 07, 2018, 09:51:47 PM
Hello,

I few years ago I used to cycle commute but my job moved to far away with very dangerous roads.     I've now moved back within 11 miles but my fitness level is poor.   I have a lot of bikes, mostly road, bought used / or built from parts.   I've flipped (bought and sold) bikes to fund my addiction.   I have all the bike clothes needed for the rest of my life,  shoes, helmets,  LED headlights and taillights.
 
I'll start back commuting with the warmer weather - probably around April.  To start building stamina (I'm 61 yo and overweight)  but still commute I picked up an eBike.  I also have a very cool eTrike but it needs some battery work.

I find that commuting lets me get riding in while saving some time.   It is the perfect start and end of a work day.

Robert
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on February 12, 2018, 04:56:32 PM
I have a 10mi roundtrip commute that I've been doing on a 26" mtb, but I'm thinking about getting a road bike. The gearing seems like it would be beneficial for getting to work faster and with less or an equal amount of physical effort (which may allow me to bike in more often.) I may wait until I've built up more strength and really feel like I've outgrown the mtb. I'm kicking myself for not getting 26x1.5 slick tires instead of the 26x2.0 I got last year. The weight savings could have been nice and the weather/road conditions I have to deal with don't require anything special... Sunny California, bike lanes all the way.

GCN posted a great youtube video on bike commuting tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuWgGzNCK8

Gear recommendations:
Bontrager ION 800 R taillight & Flare R taillight - USB Rechargeable, Adjustable(solid, strobe, different intensities), solid mounts available.
Shimano PD-M520 clipless pedals & SPD shoes - Helps maintain a good bike fit, reduce/prevent pain.
C9 Champion clothes - Target has 30% off deals every once in a while.
Bontrager H5 Hard-Case Ultimate Tires

What's in my backpack?
Spare tube
Tire patch kit
Tire levers
Pump
Multi-tool
Change of clothes, wallet, keys, phone...


Panniers and a rack looked kind of cool, but probably an unnecessary expense.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on February 13, 2018, 04:44:24 AM
@hadabeardonce unless you plan to use the MTB for off road riding a lot, why not just get the slicks? New tires are a lot cheaper than a whole new bike and you’ll get an awful lot of the benefit of a road oriented bike by reducing rolling resistance. Gearing, at least on the MTB I owned, isn’t too much different from a road bike at non race-level output and speeds.

ETA: or get the slicks and use them just as a way to get more biking in and buy time searching for a good deal on your next ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on February 13, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
@hadabeardonce unless you plan to use the MTB for off road riding a lot, why not just get the slicks? New tires are a lot cheaper than a whole new bike and you’ll get an awful lot of the benefit of a road oriented bike by reducing rolling resistance. Gearing, at least on the MTB I owned, isn’t too much different from a road bike at non race-level output and speeds.

ETA: or get the slicks and use them just as a way to get more biking in and buy time searching for a good deal on your next ride.
@HarbingerofBunnies The tires I have are slicks, but they are wider than I probably need. I didn't know they were available in 26x1.5 and 26x2.0 when I bought them locally, so the bike shop sold me the wider size.

I can't find the drag 'n' drop gear calculator that I normally use, but this one works: http://www.bikecalc.com/gear_speed

21.7mph = (Wheel (Rim: 26" Tire: 2.0)) (Chainring (Min: 22 Max: 44)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 34)) Cadence: 75 rpm
27.1mph = (Wheel (Rim: 700c Tire: 28)) (Chainring (Min: 34 Max: 50)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 28)) Cadence: 75 rpm

Gain 5.4mph of top speed at the same cadence, just based on gear ratios. That doesn't factor in the higher tire pressures, more aerodynamic rider position, and overall lighter bike. Plus there's the comfort of knowing I'm nearly 25% faster... in my mind =P If a road bike gets me to pedal in to work more often, it could be worth the expense.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 13, 2018, 12:49:11 PM
Just for the record, this conversation is going entirely over my head.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on February 13, 2018, 06:24:45 PM
I would absolutely make the switch to a road bike.  It is a night and day difference for all the reasons you listed.  It’s like running in hiking boots.  Can it be done?  Yes.  Is it efficient?  No.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on February 13, 2018, 06:43:10 PM
I would absolutely make the switch to a road bike.  It is a night and day difference for all the reasons you listed.  It’s like running in hiking boots.  Can it be done?  Yes.  Is it efficient?  No.

You can do it both ways, you just go faster for less effort on a road bike.  My commute is 11 miles each way.  I averaged close to 50 minutes when I started out on a heavy, slightly too small for me old mountain bike with an upright position and knobby tires.  Same route is just over 40 minutes on my much lighter road bike with slick tires.  I've improved as a cyclist, but a lot of that difference is being able to get my back parallel with the ground, my arms closer in, and having a lighter frame.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on February 14, 2018, 04:54:08 AM
I would absolutely make the switch to a road bike.  It is a night and day difference for all the reasons you listed.  It’s like running in hiking boots.  Can it be done?  Yes.  Is it efficient?  No.

You can do it both ways, you just go faster for less effort on a road bike.  My commute is 11 miles each way.  I averaged close to 50 minutes when I started out on a heavy, slightly too small for me old mountain bike with an upright position and knobby tires.  Same route is just over 40 minutes on my much lighter road bike with slick tires.  I've improved as a cyclist, but a lot of that difference is being able to get my back parallel with the ground, my arms closer in, and having a lighter frame.

I haven’t had a commute in a couple years (I work at home, full time homeschooler and part time homesteader/very small scale farmer), but I think I noticed a similar gain, though my MTB had knobbies so I wasn’t sure how much of the gain was attributable to the smoothness of the road tires versus the thickness of the tires.

My old road commuter didn’t quite fit me, though it was better than the MTB. I just picked up an even better fitting bike. Will be interesting to see how much better it rides when salt season ends, I’m not subjecting this one to salt like I did my old one so I’ve got a few weeks wait yet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cazio on March 20, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
It's been a long time since I've posted in this thread, but I have some updates!

Long story short, commuting the 12-ish miles to school has only happened twice thus far. But it's 98% bike path which is great! My obstacles are mostly darkness (I have a front light that's strong but haven't tried it out in the dark), timing (waking up for an 8AM class sucks to begin with when I wake up at the time I do, 20 minutes earlier sounds like death lol), and weather.

As for the actual biking part, my concerns are really about the weight I have on my bike. I have a rear bike basket that has a ton of weight in it. My backpack is something like 25lbs, plus my Kyptonite lock that's 10lbs, so it really offsets my weight when I'm going uphill. Hasn't been too much of a problem, but it really slows me down.

On that note, Google Maps said my bike route should take something like 35-45minutes, but it takes me more like an hour. Obviously the more I do it the faster I'll be, but I'm kind of unsure if that's the case. I mean I don't have quads of steel or anything but I'm definitely in shape and yet other bikers just fly by me.  Hopefully I get faster as time goes on!

In the meantime I drive ~4 miles to the bus stop and take the bus (free with my tuition) for the remaining 10 miles.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on March 20, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
@cazio  I wouldn’t worry about weight unless we’re talking rider plus cargo getting over 300lbs. Past that and some wheels will potentially come out of true faster.

On speed, try using Strava or another app to track your ride. An average speed including street crossings, traffic lights, etc should be 11-12mph or higher. I’m just getting back into cycling after a year break and am seeing average speeds a bit over 13. When I was in full shape on similar routes a few years back I think I was normally seeing 15 or so.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 20, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
I've said it before, but double check your tires are full to the specified pressure and that your seat is high enough. Both made a big difference for me.

Otherwise, could it just be that others are riding lighter, more aerodynamic road bikes? Around here there are lots of serious cycling athletes with fancy bikes, and even if I were in the same physical condition as them (I'm not) I would never expect my hybrid, or myself with a heavy bag, to keep up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 20, 2018, 11:28:49 AM
As for the actual biking part, my concerns are really about the weight I have on my bike. I have a rear bike basket that has a ton of weight in it. My backpack is something like 25lbs, plus my Kyptonite lock that's 10lbs, so it really offsets my weight when I'm going uphill. Hasn't been too much of a problem, but it really slows me down.

Strip down the stuff you carry with you on your bike to essentials only.

Leave your 10 lb lock locked up at the rack at work!  Bring your key only.

Bring in your lunch/change of clothes on a day that you don't bike in so you don't need to carry so much stuff.

Getting that weight off your bike will make you noticeably faster going up hills, and your wheels will thank you for it too.



Once you get the weight down, there are a lot of little things you can do to speed up.  Drop your handlebars down so that your back is closer to parallel with the road.  Cut your handlebars narrower so you can get your elbows in.  Wear very tight clothing that doesn't flap around at all.  Use clipless pedals.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on March 20, 2018, 11:51:15 AM
I must admit I like carrying my bike lock, clothes and lunches etc as it adds to the work out element of the commute. My commute is just less than 4 miles though so I may feel differently if it was three times as long! All of GuitarStv's advice is great. If you can get a system in place for what you carry when, and a well ordered routine so you are never running late, then combined with a lighter bike you'll never want to travel anywhere by car ever again.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cazio on March 21, 2018, 02:40:22 PM
Thanks for all of the advice, guys! I biked today and made it in about 50 minutes. It had snowed about 2 inches overnight but the bike path was clear!

@GuitarStv I wish I could! Unfortunately I'm biking to college, so I can't leave my lock, and I have to bring all my stuff with me wherever I go. I'm tempted to leave my lock, but the university has a pretty strict policy and they could probably (attempt) to cut it pretty quickly, especially if it's just a lock and no bike. It's not so bad though, but I did have to hop off on one hill because when I lose too much sped on an incline I start to pop a wheelie D:

@Tass Yes! I read about that in this thread earlier and I've got my bike at the right height and my tire pressure is good. Definitely a big help! Some of the people who fly by me seem to be just out on a fun ride, but there was also a lady with two huge packs on an uphill that flew by me like I was walking! Crazy. I also feel like I'm pedaling constantly to keep a consistent pace, which can get annoying, as I like to glide. :)

@HarbingerofBunnies Thanks for the tip! I just downloaded Strava, I'll give it a try on my ride home! That will probably help me get a better picture.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ElizaStache on April 02, 2018, 01:53:27 PM
I finally did it, 2 months after my first post. After successful procrastination, tire/tube replacements, and enough practice rides, I made it to work on time this morning.
Turns out my bike commute is actually 7.3 miles, as opposed to my car commute which is 5.3. It took me 50 minutes, with my dorky directions taped to my handlebars. There were very few cars on the road at that hour and I felt very safe the entire time.
Since my work is only me and the owner, he was very impressed and took a pic of me and my bike and sent it to his family and some friends that his office manager is a badass! Little stuff like that makes me feel very valued here.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 02, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
I finally did it, 2 months after my first post. After successful procrastination, tire/tube replacements, and enough practice rides, I made it to work on time this morning.
Turns out my bike commute is actually 7.3 miles, as opposed to my car commute which is 5.3. It took me 50 minutes, with my dorky directions taped to my handlebars. There were very few cars on the road at that hour and I felt very safe the entire time.
Since my work is only me and the owner, he was very impressed and took a pic of me and my bike and sent it to his family and some friends that his office manager is a badass! Little stuff like that makes me feel very valued here.

Nice job!

You're brave cycling to work the first time without knowing all the directions.  I actually did a dry run on the weekend before my first time riding to work.


For the undoubtedly many times in the future you will wow others and have pictures taken with your bike - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4Li18UILM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4Li18UILM)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on April 03, 2018, 07:42:58 AM
Nice job!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ElizaStache on April 03, 2018, 10:18:01 AM
Thanks! I have done the ride twice before, but I'm just terrible with directions most of the time, so I wanted it just in case. I think I have the landmarks memorized now.

I think I need to perfect The Cherry Picker, that will be my new signature bike pic style!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 18, 2018, 02:57:01 AM
Well done, ElizaStache! And so nice to have a job and boss that can make you feel like that.

I haven't cycled for over a year now. Really need to just bring the bloody bike to get new tyres fitted and get back on it. It seems astonishing to me that it has been over a year already. Having moved to a new town, I've been a bit nervous anyway about finding the right routes, having to drive in traffic more frequently, having to contend with masses of other cyclists on relatively narrow cycle paths (student town, there are a LOT of cyclists here). I learned to ride a bike as a kid but have never been a very good cyclist. I should stop letting nerves be an excuse though.
Many, many moons later, I actually brought my bike to be fixed on Monday. I pumped up the tyres and actually rode it there. It's not far, maybe a bit less than a ten-minute walk, but I wasn't going to make it before they closed otherwise. Was a little bit shaky but it was only for a few minutes so I knew it'd be okay. Hard to cycle when somehow the brake lever had slipped (been pushed?, who knows) down so that it was hitting off my knee. Anyway, I'll be able to pick it up at the weekend with fancy schmancy puncture-proof tyres and everything else that needs doing all fixed. Presumably they'll remove all the cobwebs in the process of fixing it. :)

Only thing troubling me now is that sharp pain I was feeling in my left knee. Cycling is supposed to be the thing I can do to try and improve arthrosis symptoms and I haven't noticed that pain using an exercise bike. Will have to see how it goes at the weekend and maybe have a chat with the physio.
Title: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: lexde on April 19, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
Hi guys! I just moved a lot closer to work (1.5 miles away!!) and really see no reason NOT to bike to work on days where I don’t have court or travel. My office’s dress code is now casual (jeans and blouse) for attorneys, so it will be easy to bike to work without bringing a change of clothes.

I’m going to do my first dry run this weekend (maybe more than once) since my office is in the middle of downtown and that’s kind of terrifying! After that, I plan to bike as many days as I can to save wear and tear and avoid fighting for parking spots at my apartment. Win/win.

Google maps says it should take just as long to bike as to drive, too. I just got a tune-up from the bike shop and new set of brake pads so I am good to go. I need to learn how to do tune ups on my own though to save some $$.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 19, 2018, 08:22:31 AM
Well done, ElizaStache! And so nice to have a job and boss that can make you feel like that.

I haven't cycled for over a year now. Really need to just bring the bloody bike to get new tyres fitted and get back on it. It seems astonishing to me that it has been over a year already. Having moved to a new town, I've been a bit nervous anyway about finding the right routes, having to drive in traffic more frequently, having to contend with masses of other cyclists on relatively narrow cycle paths (student town, there are a LOT of cyclists here). I learned to ride a bike as a kid but have never been a very good cyclist. I should stop letting nerves be an excuse though.
Many, many moons later, I actually brought my bike to be fixed on Monday. I pumped up the tyres and actually rode it there. It's not far, maybe a bit less than a ten-minute walk, but I wasn't going to make it before they closed otherwise. Was a little bit shaky but it was only for a few minutes so I knew it'd be okay. Hard to cycle when somehow the brake lever had slipped (been pushed?, who knows) down so that it was hitting off my knee. Anyway, I'll be able to pick it up at the weekend with fancy schmancy puncture-proof tyres and everything else that needs doing all fixed. Presumably they'll remove all the cobwebs in the process of fixing it. :)

Only thing troubling me now is that sharp pain I was feeling in my left knee. Cycling is supposed to be the thing I can do to try and improve arthrosis symptoms and I haven't noticed that pain using an exercise bike. Will have to see how it goes at the weekend and maybe have a chat with the physio.

I have a tentative diagnosis for your knee problem.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: lexde on April 19, 2018, 08:25:12 AM
@Moonwaves — I’m not a very good cyclist either. We will manage though, we just need to do it!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 19, 2018, 12:42:42 PM
Well done, ElizaStache! And so nice to have a job and boss that can make you feel like that.

I haven't cycled for over a year now. Really need to just bring the bloody bike to get new tyres fitted and get back on it. It seems astonishing to me that it has been over a year already. Having moved to a new town, I've been a bit nervous anyway about finding the right routes, having to drive in traffic more frequently, having to contend with masses of other cyclists on relatively narrow cycle paths (student town, there are a LOT of cyclists here). I learned to ride a bike as a kid but have never been a very good cyclist. I should stop letting nerves be an excuse though.
Many, many moons later, I actually brought my bike to be fixed on Monday. I pumped up the tyres and actually rode it there. It's not far, maybe a bit less than a ten-minute walk, but I wasn't going to make it before they closed otherwise. Was a little bit shaky but it was only for a few minutes so I knew it'd be okay. Hard to cycle when somehow the brake lever had slipped (been pushed?, who knows) down so that it was hitting off my knee. Anyway, I'll be able to pick it up at the weekend with fancy schmancy puncture-proof tyres and everything else that needs doing all fixed. Presumably they'll remove all the cobwebs in the process of fixing it. :)

Only thing troubling me now is that sharp pain I was feeling in my left knee. Cycling is supposed to be the thing I can do to try and improve arthrosis symptoms and I haven't noticed that pain using an exercise bike. Will have to see how it goes at the weekend and maybe have a chat with the physio.

I have a tentative diagnosis for your knee problem.  :P

LOL Wrong side, I'm afraid. My bike is not one of those fancy ones with brakes on both sides. :D
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ElizaStache on April 25, 2018, 10:40:00 AM
So I'm back to directions taped on my handlebars, since I had to make the phone call of shame this morning. My regular route has a main intersection that is closed for construction until November. There were no signs put up in the last week or anything for warn people, so I called my husband to rescue me and take me to work. I didn't know any alternate routes when I was on the side of the road, so my night in shining armor (in a white 99 Volvo S70) swooped me off my irritated feet.
I'm hoping the alternate route Google Maps suggested will be good, hopefully with bike lanes, since I'm now giving up the Interurban Trail that was incredibly convenient. Bummer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on April 25, 2018, 11:55:20 AM
21.7mph = (Wheel (Rim: 26" Tire: 2.0)) (Chainring (Min: 22 Max: 44)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 34)) Cadence: 75 rpm
27.1mph = (Wheel (Rim: 700c Tire: 28)) (Chainring (Min: 34 Max: 50)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 28)) Cadence: 75 rpm

Gain 5.4mph of top speed at the same cadence, just based on gear ratios. That doesn't factor in the higher tire pressures, more aerodynamic rider position, and overall lighter bike. Plus there's the comfort of knowing I'm nearly 25% faster... in my mind =P If a road bike gets me to pedal in to work more often, it could be worth the expense.
I know this post is old, but I will point out that just because it is the same cadence doesn't mean it is the same power output.  going 5.4 mph faster at the same cadence may still be 100 more watts of power to maintain that cadence.  My experience is that the benefit of road gearing is the closer gears, that let me make little gearing adjustments with minor speed changes to keep me at my preferred cadence.  In short, Yes, I think you'd be faster on a road bike, but more because of aerodynamics and a slight benefit of keeping your sustained power output paired with a cadence that is comfortably uncomfortable.  I'd expect more a benefit of 1-2 mph, not 5.  Just my $.02
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 25, 2018, 12:24:22 PM
21.7mph = (Wheel (Rim: 26" Tire: 2.0)) (Chainring (Min: 22 Max: 44)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 34)) Cadence: 75 rpm
27.1mph = (Wheel (Rim: 700c Tire: 28)) (Chainring (Min: 34 Max: 50)) (Cog (Min: 11 Max: 28)) Cadence: 75 rpm

Gain 5.4mph of top speed at the same cadence, just based on gear ratios. That doesn't factor in the higher tire pressures, more aerodynamic rider position, and overall lighter bike. Plus there's the comfort of knowing I'm nearly 25% faster... in my mind =P If a road bike gets me to pedal in to work more often, it could be worth the expense.
I know this post is old, but I will point out that just because it is the same cadence doesn't mean it is the same power output.  going 5.4 mph faster at the same cadence may still be 100 more watts of power to maintain that cadence.  My experience is that the benefit of road gearing is the closer gears, that let me make little gearing adjustments with minor speed changes to keep me at my preferred cadence.  In short, Yes, I think you'd be faster on a road bike, but more because of aerodynamics and a slight benefit of keeping your sustained power output paired with a cadence that is comfortably uncomfortable.  I'd expect more a benefit of 1-2 mph, not 5.  Just my $.02

I started out riding an old mountain bike, and there are a lot of things built in that slow you down on them:
- The big knobby tires are incredibly heavy, but more importantly  . . . they don't roll well at all.  You're fighting against them all the time.
- The upright position makes you into a wind sail, slowing you down whenever you start going quickly.
- The gearing was so light that I'd regularly spin it out on the flats (let alone on descents), limiting how quickly I could go.

I'd say that a 5 mph speed increase is not unreasonable to expect.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 25, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Well, I collected my bike today, complete with brand new tyres. All good to go. I cycled home and yep, left knee definitely hurts when I cycle. Will have to see if it just stays at the current level of (bearable) pain, or if it gets worse on a longer ride or over a longer period of time. I also talked to the woman in the shop about exactly what the best route is to get from here to where I walk. I really didn't want to have to be cycling along the main road. It's already pretty crowded and would involve cycling between the lane for cars and the lane for the tram. But there are quieter parallel roads she told me about and then once I get to the edge of my town, I can cross over and have to cycle up the hill a bit (good chance I might end up walking for this bit, even though it's not that steep really) and then I have a good run of quiet road/cycle lane through the vineyards until I get to the big town. Will need to go back down to the main road to get around the graveyard (but the main road is wider in the big town, with a cycle lane on the side of it) and then shortly after that I can turn off onto quieter roads again. Feeling semi-positive about it. Going to try it out on Saturday.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 25, 2018, 06:22:37 PM
Well, I collected my bike today, complete with brand new tyres. All good to go. I cycled home and yep, left knee definitely hurts when I cycle. Will have to see if it just stays at the current level of (bearable) pain, or if it gets worse on a longer ride or over a longer period of time. I also talked to the woman in the shop about exactly what the best route is to get from here to where I walk. I really didn't want to have to be cycling along the main road. It's already pretty crowded and would involve cycling between the lane for cars and the lane for the tram. But there are quieter parallel roads she told me about and then once I get to the edge of my town, I can cross over and have to cycle up the hill a bit (good chance I might end up walking for this bit, even though it's not that steep really) and then I have a good run of quiet road/cycle lane through the vineyards until I get to the big town. Will need to go back down to the main road to get around the graveyard (but the main road is wider in the big town, with a cycle lane on the side of it) and then shortly after that I can turn off onto quieter roads again. Feeling semi-positive about it. Going to try it out on Saturday.

Couple of ideas on the knee pain if it's just when you're riding:
- Is your saddle adjusted so that it's straight (not tilted to either side at all)?  Sometimes this can put strange stresses on one or the other leg.
- Is your saddle height adjusted properly (put both your heels on the pedals and spin them around . . . you should just be able to complete the circle without leaning in the saddle one way or another)?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on April 26, 2018, 06:36:41 AM
@Moonwaves  Echoing above, but I’ve found saddle height so legs are almost fully extended to be absolutely critical for knee pain. My mom, whose knees got eventually bad enough to need double replacement, has always said the same thing about saddle height and her knee comfort.

Saddle fore and aft adjustment can help a bit too.

Plus, unless you don’t have speeds, using a speed that lets you have a high cadence will take a lot of stress off the knees. You want to spin more than strain/push each pedal.

Do your knees bother you in other activities? Tried orthotics?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 26, 2018, 07:39:52 AM
Yep, mashing a really heavy gear is tougher on your knees too.

If your knees flare out as you're pedaling that can also cause problems because you end up putting forces at strange angles into them.  You want them to track pretty much straight up and down as much as possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 26, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
Thanks @GuitarStv and @furrychickens. I think the saddle is ok but will check it out properly. It didn't feel any different than when I was using the bike regularly last, which was nearly two years ago, just before I moved house. And it was the moving house that fecked up my knees. I was living on the fourth floor with no lift in my old town and spent the last three or four weeks traipsing up and down those bloody stairs at least six or eight times a day. And moving in to my new place (thankfully only on the 2nd-and-a-half floor in the new place) had a similar very high amount of up and down stairs during the move. I was extremely sore and stiff and not quite able to walk properly for weeks afterwards. And that was weeks when I was just starting my part-time (20 hours a week) job and had plenty of time for resting and recuperating. That was April and May. And June. And July.

In August I started to try walking a bit more again but even just a 4km walk left me very sore. Went to the doctor, who thought maybe I'd damaged my meniscus and sent me to the orthopaedic doctor. He took xrays and told me that actually, my having been so overweight for so long meant that I now had the beginnings of arthrosis (the kind he'd normally only expect to see in a woman much older than me). He was, to be perfectly honest, not very nice and didn't seem to notice that I had not really taken this news well. Told me to lose drastic amounts of weight and that cycling might help somewhat as the rotating movement is what's needed to generate more of the fluid around the joint that you need. Or I could pay €200 a go to get injections into my knees that might help somewhat but are not covered by insurance.

To be perfectly honest, I spent several months trying to mentally process what felt like a massive blow so that it's only now (a year and a half later) that I'm actually really trying to get going on the weight loss and cycling. I'm not entirely convinced the pain I felt was directly related to the arthosis, it was a sharper pain than the swollen, dull kind of pain I have slowly gotten used to anytime I've moved a bit more than usual but I'll give the cycling a go for a week or so to see if it gets better or worse and then decide if I need to go to the doctor (a new one!) again. It's a three-speed bike and in my old, very flat, town I just left it in 2nd gear all the time. I'll see how it goes here. I have another "movement" appointment with the physio in a couple of weeks and will ask her about it, too.

I do need new orthotics so would have to go to the doctor again soon anyway. I need the orthotics thanks to extremely high arches (thanks to short tendons in my legs) and have used them for years now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 26, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
If your knees flare out as you're pedaling that can also cause problems because you end up putting forces at strange angles into them.  You want them to track pretty much straight up and down as much as possible.
This is definitely a problem and not just cycling. Working on it with the physio but the simple truth is that I have very fat legs and straight is not entirely possible in every movement. I'm still a bit cautious and trying to find the balance between push through this and it'll get better as you lose weight or be careful you don't entirely fuck things up beyond redemption.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 26, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
Good news is that cycling is a great way to build strength in your legs while being lower impact on your joints.  (Swimming is another good way to do this).  Jogging (and even walking) can be hard on your knees, so be careful not to do too much of this too often while ramping up the distance and intensity of your exercise program.  Becoming stronger is more of a marathon than a sprint . . . you need slow, but regular increases in the difficulty of what you're doing over a very long period of time.

Try putting the bike into a gear (or two) easier than you would normally use and spin the pedals much faster than you normally would.  This should help with the knee discomfort and keep you moving (essential to losing weight).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 28, 2018, 09:26:37 AM
Well, I made it. According to google it's just over 9km (which is about five and a half miles) and it took me 43 minutes. I had to get off and walk twice. The first time, actually, I didn't even get off the bike. I was so close to the top of the incline I just sort of walked the bike forward/waddled while trying to actually get the gear to change down to first. The second time was because I didn't take the right turn and ended up going up the hill instead of down to the main road. I only half did this by mistake, partially I wanted to see how it would go. But again, it took too long for the gear to change and I just stalled completely. Oh well. I know now to turn off left at that point and not to up up Panoramastraße - you'd think I'd have copped on to the clue in the name to it being a higher up than everywhere else part of town!

I made a conscious effort to keep checking if I was keeping my legs as straight as possible and it did help. I had a bit of pain in both knees but not too much. I'm going to take it easy for the rest of the day and see how they are. Have to go to a choir thing at a hall right over the other side of my the small town I live in early tomorrow morning and am planning to cycle. It's only about 2.5km away so should be just enough to stretch out a bit. And hopefully the, er, delicate bits that are feeling particularly delicate at the moment will have recovered on time for me to contemplate sitting up on the bike again. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 28, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
Change gears early.  If you see a hill in front of you, change to a gear that's a bit too easy for you so that you're prepared.  You can't shift without stopping your pedaling, so if you're grinding up a hill with lots of tension on the chain it's actually to late to try and go into your easier gear.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on April 28, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
It was one of those downhill followed immediately by uphill. I thought the momentum from the downhill would keep me going until I got the gear changed. I definitely do need to practice changing gear more though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ElizaStache on May 10, 2018, 10:18:03 AM
Yesterday I was walking through the first floor hallway of my condo building to drop off a package for someone and came out the door to the bike rack to find my bike gone. I last rode it on Sunday, practicing my new ride to work. Sometime between then and last night someone decided to take it.

All of the bikes on that rack, and the rest of the building for that matter, are unlocked. I figured it would be okay, but I guess not. I wonder if the owner of one of the other bikes was mad at me because it's a tight squeeze on the rack and sometimes my bike gets caught on the others. I put up a note asking for it back. I asked all of the neighbors on that floor if they had seen anything, and in the process met new residents, so I guess that's a plus. The replacement bike will live in my unit, on the third floor.

I'm checking Craigslist, FB Marketplace, local FB Buy/Sell groups, Offer Up to see if it shows up. I called a pawn shop and even the bike shop I bought it from. I'm filing a police report when I go home, so they at least know the crime happened.

I'm just pissed that I've only had the damn thing since mid-February and even though I have the savings to cover it, I wasn't anticipating this kind of expense so soon. I'm mad someone stole it from our common area in the locked building. I hope they enjoy that funky little bike that wasn't actually so good for commuting and parts are a pain in the ass to find.

I re-read the blog post about MMM's misplaced bike, I hope mine comes back too. I'm lucky I've experienced no crimes in my neighborhood in the 2 years I've lived here, and I know better now. I'm thankful for my little 'stache so I can buy a replacement and NOT file a homeowner's insurance claim like many people suggested I do, because that's not what the policy is for. I don't need a Go Fund Me, and even though my avid cyclist brother offered to pitch in for a new one, I am glad I'm not relying on it.

/rant
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on May 10, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
@ElizaStache oh no! That really sucks, I'm so sorry.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 10, 2018, 01:32:57 PM
Always lock your bike.  U-lock through the rear wheel in the rear triangle, and a cable through the front wheel is a bare minimum.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 11, 2018, 09:46:35 AM
I'm finally comfortable with my bike security (fairly expensive $1700 e-bike, purchased in early March).  With my $200 bike, not nearly so paranoid; never used more than a cable lock.  Of course, I haven't really left it out anywhere.

My solution for peace of mind:
Kryptonite U-lock Mini 7 - not quite the highest security level, but does have $2500 insurance and by all accounts would take an angle grinder to destroy/remove.  Rear triangle. 
https://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Evolution-Mini-7-Bicycle-KryptoFlex/dp/B074K6KSY5

Hexlox wheel/saddle locks.  Removed the quick-release levers and replaced them with locked hex keyed skewers.  Don't have to lock the front wheel as a result, and keeps my saddle and suspension seat post safer.  I do have a cable, but I don't bother; the Hexlox is much more secure (cable would serve as a visual deterrent only, really).
https://hexlox.com/
(If you're interested in these, I can give you a code to save/earn us both a bit of money).

Finally, for those situations where I'm less comfortable, I add a cinch ring chain lock.  The biggest benefit to this is being able to lock my bike much more easily when there aren't well-designed bike racks around.  Won't be using this to commute, as work is pretty secure.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X6E0NO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Perhaps it's overkill; perhaps not.  This is what makes me comfortable running errands around a big city.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on May 13, 2018, 01:12:16 AM
Anyone here using a 1x system on a road orientated bike for their commute? Standards seem to change at a relentless pace and I’m sure sometimes the bike industry changes things for changes sake. However 1x seems to be a really good concept for a commuter. Less parts to go wrong, maintain and replace, much simpler cleaning, quiet and efficient, less likelihood of slipping a chain and being stood in the cold and rain trying to put it back on.

I’m a bit worried about gear gappage but with the correct chainring choice it shouldn’t be difficult to tailor something to a particular commute. Is it me or are some of the changes in recent years, disc brakes, trend to wider tyres, and 1x all seeming to be quite good for the commuter/recreational rider?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on May 13, 2018, 04:54:08 AM
My area is just hilly enough that I’d worry about knee strain with a single speed.

If I was still commuting, I might have picked one up for the nasty winter rides though, as top speed is less important and the rear derailer is a pain to maintain in icy, snowy, salty conditions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on May 13, 2018, 05:42:25 AM
Sorry furrychickens I was referring to systems where there is a single chainring at the front, cassette as normal at the back. A single speed is too limiting I think certainly for my routes and I agree with the knee concerns.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Thegoblinchief on May 13, 2018, 05:52:32 AM
Sorry furrychickens I was referring to systems where there is a single chainring at the front, cassette as normal at the back. A single speed is too limiting I think certainly for my routes and I agree with the knee concerns.

Ah, I don’t know that dropping to a single chainring really saves much in maintenance/complexity terms, but I rarely switch rings on my 3 chainring bikes so I’d say go for it if you see a bike set up that way.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fluffmuffin on May 14, 2018, 06:07:51 AM
Okay crew, can we talk about bike commuting in the summer? It's been hitting 90 pretty consistently the last couple of weeks (ugh). Mornings have been okay so far, which is when I have to look presentable, but that's not gonna last. Any tips or tricks for not looking like a tomato-faced sweaty mess when I get to work?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 14, 2018, 08:36:04 AM
Okay crew, can we talk about bike commuting in the summer? It's been hitting 90 pretty consistently the last couple of weeks (ugh). Mornings have been okay so far, which is when I have to look presentable, but that's not gonna last. Any tips or tricks for not looking like a tomato-faced sweaty mess when I get to work?

Pedelec/e-bike!  Letting the bike do most of the work in the morning, then getting my exercise on the way home. 

Well, that will be my approach, though it's not (in most cases) as mustachian, I suppose.  I know that others have touted a personal wipe 'bath' of sorts if you have no shower access, though I would certainly continue to sweat for a while.  I'm sure some who have actually lived this will speak up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on May 14, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
Anyone here using a 1x system on a road orientated bike for their commute? Standards seem to change at a relentless pace and I’m sure sometimes the bike industry changes things for changes sake. However 1x seems to be a really good concept for a commuter. Less parts to go wrong, maintain and replace, much simpler cleaning, quiet and efficient, less likelihood of slipping a chain and being stood in the cold and rain trying to put it back on.

I’m a bit worried about gear gappage but with the correct chainring choice it shouldn’t be difficult to tailor something to a particular commute. Is it me or are some of the changes in recent years, disc brakes, trend to wider tyres, and 1x all seeming to be quite good for the commuter/recreational rider?

Calculate the speed at your preferred cadence and translate it to each gear.  If your preferred riding speed isn't at one of those gears, you need a different chain ring, or if you can't adjust the chain ring teeth to what you want, don't go 1x.  Also, bigger gaps toward high end and low end are generally okay if you have small gaps around your normal riding speed.  I've stayed away from these personally and have found happiness with a 50/34 x 12x30 11-speed setup.  My curiosity is still there though, so if you try it please report back.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on May 14, 2018, 10:42:18 AM
Okay crew, can we talk about bike commuting in the summer? It's been hitting 90 pretty consistently the last couple of weeks (ugh). Mornings have been okay so far, which is when I have to look presentable, but that's not gonna last. Any tips or tricks for not looking like a tomato-faced sweaty mess when I get to work?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on May 14, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
Okay crew, can we talk about bike commuting in the summer? It's been hitting 90 pretty consistently the last couple of weeks (ugh). Mornings have been okay so far, which is when I have to look presentable, but that's not gonna last. Any tips or tricks for not looking like a tomato-faced sweaty mess when I get to work?
  • Ride in different clothes. Shorts, shirt... I bought some Champion athletic wear on clearance from Target and I've liked it.
  • Ditch the backpack. I've been leaving a few things at work and riding with a spare set of clothes in Topeak BackLoader.
  • Leave some extra deodorant and a beach towel at work. Drink water to cool down.
  • Use some unscented baby wipes.
I added one.  These really have helped me cool down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on May 14, 2018, 12:09:02 PM
Okay crew, can we talk about bike commuting in the summer? It's been hitting 90 pretty consistently the last couple of weeks (ugh). Mornings have been okay so far, which is when I have to look presentable, but that's not gonna last. Any tips or tricks for not looking like a tomato-faced sweaty mess when I get to work?

As others have mentioned, a full change of clothing, giving yourself 5 minutes after you arrive at work to have your body calm down. I like to wash my face quickly as that seems to help every cool down more quickly.

I.e. you will look tomato-faced when you first arrive, but expect that, and give yourself a chance. I used to try to put on makeup too quickly and not let my face calm down from all the blood really pumping. Now I take another 5 minutes and it makes a big difference.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 14, 2018, 02:36:30 PM
@ bike lock conversation - apparently I don't know the best way to do this. I have a small U lock but no cable lock, and I usually lock the frame to the rack at the front. I know not to lock only my front wheel, but should I be locking at the back instead?

At night it lives in our gated parking garage, and when I ride it around it's mostly in low-traffic areas - grocery store and library, primarily.

Lock: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005YPKL5U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 14, 2018, 02:42:31 PM
Anyone here using a 1x system on a road orientated bike for their commute? Standards seem to change at a relentless pace and I’m sure sometimes the bike industry changes things for changes sake. However 1x seems to be a really good concept for a commuter. Less parts to go wrong, maintain and replace, much simpler cleaning, quiet and efficient, less likelihood of slipping a chain and being stood in the cold and rain trying to put it back on.

I’m a bit worried about gear gappage but with the correct chainring choice it shouldn’t be difficult to tailor something to a particular commute. Is it me or are some of the changes in recent years, disc brakes, trend to wider tyres, and 1x all seeming to be quite good for the commuter/recreational rider?

Calculate the speed at your preferred cadence and translate it to each gear.  If your preferred riding speed isn't at one of those gears, you need a different chain ring, or if you can't adjust the chain ring teeth to what you want, don't go 1x.  Also, bigger gaps toward high end and low end are generally okay if you have small gaps around your normal riding speed.  I've stayed away from these personally and have found happiness with a 50/34 x 12x30 11-speed setup.  My curiosity is still there though, so if you try it please report back.

I don't understand the benefit of a 1x system at all.  You are going to be cross chaining any time you're going really slow or fast, you've only got one ring at the front to wear, you are going to have big jumps between your gear selections, and front derailleurs are ridiculously easy to set up and require virtually no maintenance other than changing cables every few years so there's no real benefit there either.

That said, I ride a front triple (50 - 39 - 30) with an 11-25 on the back.  Which makes me a weirdo.  :P  About 40% of my time is in the big ring, and 55% is in the middle ring . . . but for that 5% that I need it (often at the bottom ), it's really nice to have the granny gear.

I also don't understand gravel bikes, which appear to be the reinvention of touring bikes - robust build, clearance for big tires, wide wheel base, more upright.  (I'll give gravel bikes a nod for having disc brakes though, so at least there's difference.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 14, 2018, 02:45:28 PM
@ bike lock conversation - apparently I don't know the best way to do this. I have a small U lock but no cable lock, and I usually lock the frame to the rack at the front. I know not to lock only my front wheel, but should I be locking at the back instead?

At night it lives in our gated parking garage, and when I ride it around it's mostly in low-traffic areas - grocery store and library, primarily.

Lock: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005YPKL5U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

(https://i0.wp.com/edmontonbikes.ca/uploads/page/preventing-your-bike-from-being-stolen/lockyourbikehowtolockdiagra.gif)

The rear wheel and frame are the most expensive parts of your bike.  Always lock them with the U-lock (unlike in the picture above left).  If you don't have a cable, take your front wheel off (release your brake, loosen the quick release skewer, lift the front of the bike and it'll fall out) and lock it in the U-lock as shown above.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on May 14, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
@ bike lock conversation - apparently I don't know the best way to do this. I have a small U lock but no cable lock, and I usually lock the frame to the rack at the front. I know not to lock only my front wheel, but should I be locking at the back instead?
GCN did a video on how to lock a bike: https://youtu.be/IXNASUSivqg?t=2m47s

I've heard of supergluing BBs into the allen key bolts to keep people from quickly plucking parts, but I haven't done it myself. I try to keep my bike indoors at home and at work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 14, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
@ bike lock conversation - apparently I don't know the best way to do this. I have a small U lock but no cable lock, and I usually lock the frame to the rack at the front. I know not to lock only my front wheel, but should I be locking at the back instead?
GCN did a video on how to lock a bike: https://youtu.be/IXNASUSivqg?t=2m47s

I've heard of supergluing BBs into the allen key bolts to keep people from quickly plucking parts, but I haven't done it myself. I try to keep my bike indoors at home and at work.

That's what Hexlox are for.  More expensive, sure, but more secure, and with the benefit that you can actually remove the parts yourself.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on May 14, 2018, 02:58:47 PM
That said, I ride a front triple (50 - 39 - 30) with an 11-25 on the back.  Which makes me a weirdo.  :P  About 40% of my time is in the big ring, and 55% is in the middle ring . . . but for that 5% that I need it (often at the bottom ), it's really nice to have the granny gear.

A 50/34 can be set-up with an 11-32.  34/32 is easier than 30/25.  Road triples can be quirky to set-up the front derailleur.  I liked my road triple, but when I got my current bike they were all but extinct.  I'm okay with the compact gearing now that I know how to ride with it.

I also don't understand gravel bikes, which appear to be the reinvention of touring bikes - robust build, clearance for big tires, wide wheel base, more upright.  (I'll give gravel bikes a nod for having disc brakes though, so at least there's difference.)
I think they are just an extension of the "endurance road" geometry and a reflection of the fact that normal mortals want bigger tires for crappy roads, but they still want to "go fast."  I purchased mine because it gives me the ability to commute year-round (studded 700/35s don't fit road-bike frames), while in the summer still letting me be efficient enough to still ride group rides (700/28 slicks).  Its a do-it-all bike.  Not as good as a road bike at road biking, not as good as a touring bike at touring, but can do both reasonably well.  Since I don't race, its a great compromise bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on May 14, 2018, 03:23:31 PM
Thanks dogboyslim and GuitarStv for the comments. I currently ride a un-Mustachian road bike and a rigid forked mountain bike I use as a commuter/winter bike. With FIRE now the goal (found MMM last September) I was thinking of selling both and replacing with something endurance orientated with room for bigger tyres. I quite liked the thought of the simplicity of owning a single bike where a change of tyres gives a good range of use. As dogboyslim says a compromise bike but a good one.

I don’t race, rarely ride longer than 4 hours and the introduction of discs and resultant capacity for wider tyres means the do-it-all bikes really aren’t as much of a compromise as they used to be. My roadie is 50/34 11-32 which is a good range of gears. I felt if I did make the move to a single bike I should consider 1x for the benefits I mentioned but I appreciate there are disadvantages too. I don’t know anyone that has used 1x hence no real knowledge of its real world use.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on May 14, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
I was recently researching neutering my dedicated 26" mtb commuter bike by making it a 1x...

This video covered a few methods - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8VcULbVmyo
Park Tool went further in depth regarding gearing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uQvusbTJM

Not sure if it's worth buying a narrow wide chain ring and crank arms. It would be kind of cool to go from 44t to 48t since my route is pretty flat.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 14, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
That said, I ride a front triple (50 - 39 - 30) with an 11-25 on the back.  Which makes me a weirdo.  :P  About 40% of my time is in the big ring, and 55% is in the middle ring . . . but for that 5% that I need it (often at the bottom ), it's really nice to have the granny gear.

A 50/34 can be set-up with an 11-32.  34/32 is easier than 30/25.  Road triples can be quirky to set-up the front derailleur.  I liked my road triple, but when I got my current bike they were all but extinct.  I'm okay with the compact gearing now that I know how to ride with it.

Sure you can get the same gearing range . . . but the difference is all about the steps between cogs and the wear on the whole system.  Three rings up front mean that you get more (way more) miles between changing chain rings.  Ten or eleven gears on your cassette means that you are always able to find the perfect gear for the terrain you're running on.  The weight penalty is negligible, and the mechanical complexity is really not high (after setting the H/L screws, I've not had to touch my front derailleur other than tensioning it with a barrel adjuster after replacing the cable).


I also don't understand gravel bikes, which appear to be the reinvention of touring bikes - robust build, clearance for big tires, wide wheel base, more upright.  (I'll give gravel bikes a nod for having disc brakes though, so at least there's difference.)
I think they are just an extension of the "endurance road" geometry and a reflection of the fact that normal mortals want bigger tires for crappy roads, but they still want to "go fast."  I purchased mine because it gives me the ability to commute year-round (studded 700/35s don't fit road-bike frames), while in the summer still letting me be efficient enough to still ride group rides (700/28 slicks).  Its a do-it-all bike.  Not as good as a road bike at road biking, not as good as a touring bike at touring, but can do both reasonably well.  Since I don't race, its a great compromise bike.
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That's what a touring bike is!  Throw some 38s or 40s on it and take it off-road, or load it down and ride comfortably.  With 28s mounted, you'll have no issues keeping up on a road ride.  When I can't . . . well, it ain't the bike that's holding me back.

I'm telling you, the mountain bike was the replacement for the touring bike because road bikes became twitchy/impractical things.  Then someone remembered that drop bars are better than flat bars.  Now they're pushing gravel/endurance bikes that are basically the same thing as old touring bikes . . . but they've got to make 'em different somehow.  So they're attacking perfectly good front derailleurs.  That's not progress in my books.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
The rear wheel and frame are the most expensive parts of your bike.  Always lock them with the U-lock (unlike in the picture above left).  If you don't have a cable, take your front wheel off (release your brake, loosen the quick release skewer, lift the front of the bike and it'll fall out) and lock it in the U-lock as shown above.

I'll switch to the back. Not actually sure if the lock is big enough to go around the frame and the back wheel, but I'll check. I didn't realize the back wheel cost more than the front, but I suppose the whole gear system is back there.

I've taken the front wheel off before - to transport it in a car trunk when I first got it - and it was a huge pain. Not feeling particularly fond of the idea of repeating that every time I lock the bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 15, 2018, 07:48:58 AM
The rear wheel and frame are the most expensive parts of your bike.  Always lock them with the U-lock (unlike in the picture above left).  If you don't have a cable, take your front wheel off (release your brake, loosen the quick release skewer, lift the front of the bike and it'll fall out) and lock it in the U-lock as shown above.

I'll switch to the back. Not actually sure if the lock is big enough to go around the frame and the back wheel, but I'll check. I didn't realize the back wheel cost more than the front, but I suppose the whole gear system is back there.

I've taken the front wheel off before - to transport it in a car trunk when I first got it - and it was a huge pain. Not feeling particularly fond of the idea of repeating that every time I lock the bike.

There are different ways to do it.  I've found that this method (locking the rear rim and lower chainstay) will usually work even with very small U-locks:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/8e/de/2a8ede4979ce5b08f292dc81245f5505.jpg)

Taking the front wheel off and putting it back on gets pretty quick with practice.  I can do it in about 30 seconds, although it took me closer to 5 minutes when I was just learning how.  That's actually why locking the front wheel is a thing you should do.  You could also just replace the quick release skewer with an anti-theft one such as this: https://pinheadlocks.com/store/en/wheel-locks/7-front-wheel-lock.html#/key-without_key (https://pinheadlocks.com/store/en/wheel-locks/7-front-wheel-lock.html#/key-without_key), which I'd figure is at least as safe as carrying around a cable lock.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 15, 2018, 08:14:35 AM
The rear wheel and frame are the most expensive parts of your bike.  Always lock them with the U-lock (unlike in the picture above left).  If you don't have a cable, take your front wheel off (release your brake, loosen the quick release skewer, lift the front of the bike and it'll fall out) and lock it in the U-lock as shown above.

I'll switch to the back. Not actually sure if the lock is big enough to go around the frame and the back wheel, but I'll check. I didn't realize the back wheel cost more than the front, but I suppose the whole gear system is back there.

I've taken the front wheel off before - to transport it in a car trunk when I first got it - and it was a huge pain. Not feeling particularly fond of the idea of repeating that every time I lock the bike.

You can - and probably should, unless you're racing - replace the quick release skewers with hex bolt skewers.  You can then add locks to those if you wish, depending upon your bike.  I'd still lock the rear wheel and frame with the U-lock, but in a pinch, at least the hex bolt skewers require a thief to have a tool and take more than 2 seconds to steal your wheel.  (Granted, only perhaps 10-15 seconds with a tool).  Of course, it'd only take a few seconds for a thief with a pair of cable cutters to deal with a cable, as well.  Still, I see it as balancing the inconvenience to yourself and the inconvenience to a thief, taking into account the cost of the bike/bike components and the costs of the security measures.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 15, 2018, 08:26:29 AM
The rear wheel and frame are the most expensive parts of your bike.  Always lock them with the U-lock (unlike in the picture above left).  If you don't have a cable, take your front wheel off (release your brake, loosen the quick release skewer, lift the front of the bike and it'll fall out) and lock it in the U-lock as shown above.

I'll switch to the back. Not actually sure if the lock is big enough to go around the frame and the back wheel, but I'll check. I didn't realize the back wheel cost more than the front, but I suppose the whole gear system is back there.

I've taken the front wheel off before - to transport it in a car trunk when I first got it - and it was a huge pain. Not feeling particularly fond of the idea of repeating that every time I lock the bike.

You can - and probably should, unless you're racing - replace the quick release skewers with hex bolt skewers.  You can then add locks to those if you wish, depending upon your bike.  I'd still lock the rear wheel and frame with the U-lock, but in a pinch, at least the hex bolt skewers require a thief to have a tool and take more than 2 seconds to steal your wheel.  (Granted, only perhaps 10-15 seconds with a tool).  Of course, it'd only take a few seconds for a thief with a pair of cable cutters to deal with a cable, as well.  Still, I see it as balancing the inconvenience to yourself and the inconvenience to a thief, taking into account the cost of the bike/bike components and the costs of the security measures.

Kinda leads to the old joke:

A 30 lb bike only needs a 1 lb lock to be safe.  A 15 lb bike needs a 16 lb lock to be safe.  Therefore, every bike weights the same amount.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on June 25, 2018, 08:00:49 AM
Finally I did it! Rode my bike to work for the first time this year. A good portion of the ride is through the woods on trails and I got a little lost so it ended up taking about 20 mins longer than it should have but I did it and I don't mind having the extra time outside in the woods anyway. The ride should be about 8.5 miles but I think I probably added a half mile to that. On the way home I'm going a different way so I can stop by the grocery store.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on June 25, 2018, 04:38:17 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on July 10, 2018, 06:25:01 AM
Finally I did it! Rode my bike to work for the first time this year. A good portion of the ride is through the woods on trails and I got a little lost so it ended up taking about 20 mins longer than it should have but I did it and I don't mind having the extra time outside in the woods anyway. The ride should be about 8.5 miles but I think I probably added a half mile to that. On the way home I'm going a different way so I can stop by the grocery store.

Congrats!

I've been riding to work for at least 6 months now (about 2-3x a week). I love it! Yesterday I took my first trip to the grocery store, which is going to be a new thing for me now I think. It was so nice not having to deal with parking, and according to G maps it took me 11 minutes to get there, and a car would've taken 10, so.. not bad!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on July 10, 2018, 08:28:19 AM
I'm on my 10th day of bike commuting.  I'm loving it!  Since I started two weeks ago, I haven't driven myself alone in a car anywhere.  Aiming for biking in every day, but we'll see how much rainy, dark winter days test my resolve.  I live in SoCal, so it should be doable year-round, though driver-imposed danger on wet, dark roads possibly being the thing to give me pause.  I did buy some rain gear recently, so I won't have that excuse. 

We, like much of the country, are in the midst of a heat wave.  The temps have come down, but the humidity is crazy high for this area right now.  Still, I've been taking it extra easy on the ride in (a luxury afforded me by my electric bike) and have managed to continue wearing my work clothes for the ride in without overmuch sweating.  Since I don't bake extra time into my morning for a post-ride shower (nor do I want to - I get up early enough already), I'm in a learning process for how much exertion I can tolerate, based upon the temps and humidity outside.  It's not been bad, but I need to resist the urge to kick up the speed at times.

I'm also learning little tweaks here and there to my route, based upon learning traffic patterns and scoping out alternatives.  One intersection in particular is annoying me during the commute home in rush hour traffic; during low traffic times, I can easily veer over to the left lane from the bike lane and turn at the light.  Not doable safely during the traffic-choked ride home, though.  There don't seem to be many good alternatives to waiting through two crosswalks, but I've got an idea I'm going to try tonight. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 3for3 on July 12, 2018, 10:14:09 AM
I would like to join this thread for accountability. Rode my bike to work for the second time today! I was totally jelly-legged upon arrival.

My goal is to ride 2-3 times a week. The other 2-3 days I like visiting my kids at their daycare center (up hill from work) during my lunch break. Perhaps once I become more fit I do those visits by bike too.

I have not done any systematic exercise since before my 2.5 yr old twins were born. I am starting to get soft and want to be able to run around with my boys. Hopefully the bike can help me save some money and increase my fitness.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on July 13, 2018, 05:41:23 AM
I bought myself a gel-padded saddle cover. This should help a lot!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on July 13, 2018, 06:16:42 AM
Rode bike in for 3rd time this week. And the seat adjustment seems to have helped with the knee pain substantially. However, I'm having an embarrassing amount of trouble adjusting to getting on the bike with the new height and the pannier frame. Like, I had to go to a curb. It's worth the re-learning curve for less pain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 13, 2018, 07:03:36 AM
Rode bike in for 3rd time this week. And the seat adjustment seems to have helped with the knee pain substantially. However, I'm having an embarrassing amount of trouble adjusting to getting on the bike with the new height and the pannier frame. Like, I had to go to a curb. It's worth the re-learning curve for less pain.

Many people never learn the correct way to mount a bicycle.  Do the following:

- Stand over the top tube, with the saddle behind your butt and both feet on the ground.
- Put the cranks so that one crank arm is up and in front of you at about a 45 degree angle
- Stand on that crank and use it as a step to get up into the saddle.
- As you stand on that crank, the bike will start to move forward so that you can keep your balance (a stationary bike is very hard to balance on).

There's a good video of it here:
https://vimeo.com/112725801 (https://vimeo.com/112725801)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: MoneyMouse on July 19, 2018, 04:15:15 PM
Oooh, this is a perfect thread for me!

I just started biking to work regularly starting around 1.5 months ago.

I got a free bike (my mom's old one), but spent about $200 total on maintenance (it had never gotten maintenance before), a rack, lock, panniers, and helmet. I could probably have gotten the parts for cheaper, but I was in a hurry to get biking - and still under what I thought I would spend since I was originally eyeing a $300 bike.

I'm lucky in that there are painted or separated bike lanes almost the entire way to and from work.
On the way to, there are 2 blocks I have to bike without lanes. On the way home, depending on the route I take, it's either laned the whole way or half the way.

I bike 3-4 days a week right now, but I aim to get to 5 days.
I bike to the grocery store occasionally, but I really ought to make that a more regular occurrence. That said, I don't generally shop all that often and I am trying to go to Costco/Superstore which isn't bike-able for me where I live. But I will usually make small detours to those places when I'm out in the area for my extracurriculars which must use the car.

I'm wanting to bike year-round except for the most frigid winter months (I live in Alberta, Canada), but we'll see how that goes. I did walk to work in fairly cold weather, so the temperature isn't too bad for me - I'm more worried about handling ice and drivers in the winter.

I'm loving all the tips and resources in this thread. I'll have to read through it more after work today.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on July 31, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
How have a I seriously not ridden my bike to work since June 25th! Ridiculous! I plan to ride tomorrow and Thursday to make up for that.

*Side note I purchased a used Burley Encore from Craigslist for $90 :) So I can hitch that to my bike to do my grocery shopping, I can also throw my dog in the back to take for a ride since we don't have kids.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on July 31, 2018, 11:56:34 AM
NBD - My first road bike. It's a 2013 Trek Domane 2.0, which uses the same aluminum frame as the 2.3, but with a lower end Tiagra 4600 groupset(which is plush by my standards.) I replaced the saddle and bar tape last night. Rode it in to work this morning, despite a front wheel that needs truing and a rear tire that needs to be replaced. Should be a great bike to mess around with for a long time. It already feels quicker than my 26" mtb commuter, but the different handlebar setup is going to take a while to get used to.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 31, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
NBD - My first road bike. It's a 2013 Trek Domane 2.0, which uses the same aluminum frame as the 2.3, but with a lower end Tiagra 4600 groupset(which is plush by my standards.) I replaced the saddle and bar tape last night. Rode it in to work this morning, despite a front wheel that needs truing and a rear tire that needs to be replaced. Should be a great bike to mess around with for a long time. It already feels quicker than my 26" mtb commuter, but the different handlebar setup is going to take a while to get used to.

That's a nice bike!

Bars look pretty high though.  Get used to how drop bars feel for a bit, and then start playing around with your position on the bike.  Typically most people will find that having the bars 5 - 10 cm below the saddle is more efficient.  You can do this by removing spacers / flipping the stem around so it's not a riser.  Just make sure that you're comfortable on the drops.  You might also try moving the saddle back a bit further away from the bars . . . this reduces weight on the hands and recruits your core more while riding.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 01, 2018, 02:56:57 PM
That's a nice bike!

Bars look pretty high though.  Get used to how drop bars feel for a bit, and then start playing around with your position on the bike.  Typically most people will find that having the bars 5 - 10 cm below the saddle is more efficient.  You can do this by removing spacers / flipping the stem around so it's not a riser.  Just make sure that you're comfortable on the drops.  You might also try moving the saddle back a bit further away from the bars . . . this reduces weight on the hands and recruits your core more while riding.
Thanks! I found it on eBay from a local business(BicycleBlueBook) on the day eBay was offering a 20% off($50 max value) coupon: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Trek-Domane-2-0-T-Size-54-cm-INV-33006/283061507936
Paid $476 total(including tax), which felt pretty good based on looking at prices for about a year. It's a newer bike than I expected to find. The endurance geometry frame sounded good for a beginner/commuter and the IsoSpeed gimmick felt like it would be an added bonus.

I spent some time trying to fit myself to it last night with the KOPS method - lowered the saddle a little and moved it forward a little. Watched some GCN and Bike Fit Adviser on YouTube. Wife said it looked like my back was at a 45deg angle. Replaced the 70mm 17deg stem with a 90mm 7deg and lowered the bars like you suggested. Things feel better. Core strength is something I need to work on which probably causes me to put a lot of pressure on my hands. I was trying to focus on relaxing my arms more today and utilizing the drops. You'd think just riding would make a person stronger overtime, but apparently I need to stretch and work out other muscles. Maybe I can get away with doing sit-ups in my cubicle during the day. Might raise the saddle and move it back again tonight...

Thanks for sharing the good info in this thread and your other one: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/guitarstv's-long-bike-ride-tips!/
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 02, 2018, 07:47:32 AM
That's looking better!  Stretching is very important to be able to comfortably hold an aerodynamic position for a long time.  I spent many years in Taekwondo, Muay Thai, and BJJ building up flexibility, which has served me well for cycling.  I particularly like the hurdler's stretch:
(http://www.advancedhealthphysio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/20171007_130702-300x276.jpg)
(Note, back is flat and the person is reaching forward with both arms to . . . NOT with spine bent and head tipping forward.)

The quad stretch:
(http://www.centerworks.com/wp-content/uploads/iStock_000019155350Medium-200x300.jpg)

The split stretch:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/16/6f/77166f0bea8027da384829c9d16c5454.jpg)
(Again, try to reach as far forward as possible rather than lower your head to the ground to prevent bending your spine funny ways)

And the glute stretch:
(https://life-cdn.global.ssl.fastly.net/life/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Glute-Stretches_Half-lord-of-the-fishes.jpg)


Hold the stretches for 40 seconds, release for 10 seconds, repeat 3x per side going a bit lower each time.  Stretch after you workout before you cool down, not before a workout when you're cool and you'll benefit more from them.  Generally speaking, the more flexible you are the lower you'll be able to comfortably get your front end, which means the less wind resistance you'll be fighting.


I personally think that the KOPS method is garbage (at least it doesn't work at all for me).  First of all, the concept doesn't make any sense (your knee position is going to change relative to the pedal spindle when you go up or down even the slightest hill, and when you stand it's completely different too).  It also doesn't really work if you have unusually long or short thighs.  If you're average sized, it's not a terrible way to get roughly in a the right position . . . but feel free to keep tweaking if it doesn't feel perfect.  For me, I need at least 40 km on a position change before I can decide if it's better or not.

Core strength is all well and good (I'd suggest heavy deadlifts and overhead barbell squats if you want to develop an incredibly strong core), but try playing around with bike fit first.  If you're feeling too much weight on your hands, remember that sliding the saddle back will reduce this.  (Don't believe me?  Try doing a squat with your shoulders forward.  Notice that to keep your balance your ass has to move pretty far back?  Now try doing the same without moving your ass backwards . . . you start falling forward.  When your saddle is too far forward, it forces extra weight on your hands because your center of balance is moved forward.  Also remember . . . because the seat tube is at an angle, every time you raise your saddle it it will move back a little.  Every time you drop it it will move forward a little.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on August 02, 2018, 07:54:23 AM
Finally I did it! Rode my bike to work for the first time this year. A good portion of the ride is through the woods on trails and I got a little lost so it ended up taking about 20 mins longer than it should have but I did it and I don't mind having the extra time outside in the woods anyway. The ride should be about 8.5 miles but I think I probably added a half mile to that. On the way home I'm going a different way so I can stop by the grocery store.

haypug!
What trails/routes do you use? 
I live in Bedford and have been commuting to work (in Lexington) since November.
I don’t bike into Boston too often but use the Minuteman most of the way in to Alewife and then fan off from there.

My route to work takes me through the Fellsway reservation. I go from Malden to Woburn. About 40-50% of the ride is in the woods and the rest is on fairly low traffic areas.

Mr Pug and I ride the minuteman trail (and extension) sometimes to get out to Concord. We've even done the Minuteman to the Bedford to Billerica trail before. It was a nice ride but some parts were really close to the highway (as in the overpass!)

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: MoneyMouse on August 03, 2018, 08:39:18 AM
Question for some folks - what should I bring/get when I'm about to bike in the rain?

I don't have any real raincoats or anything, so I'm starting from scratch.
I have travel pants that I like to wear riding, but I'm not sure if they're waterproof.

I have tested my panniers when I got caught in a deluge a few weeks back - fortunately, everything stayed dry and protected.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 03, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
Question for some folks - what should I bring/get when I'm about to bike in the rain?

I don't have any real raincoats or anything, so I'm starting from scratch.
I have travel pants that I like to wear riding, but I'm not sure if they're waterproof.

I have tested my panniers when I got caught in a deluge a few weeks back - fortunately, everything stayed dry and protected.

You don't need anything waterproof to cycle in the rain.  Being wet for a little while won't kill you.  Just wear clothing that is weather appropriate so you don't get chilled.  If you're worried about clothing that you're bringing getting wet, wrap it in a plastic bag for extra insurance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: MoneyMouse on August 03, 2018, 09:00:28 AM
Thanks, GuitarStv. :)

That's true.
I'm gonna have to figure out what clothing won't get me chilled. Where I live, rain is often accompanied by really cold winds.

I bought some water resistant zippered pack bags that I tend to keep my clothes in, so they should be fine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 03, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
Thanks, GuitarStv. :)

That's true.
I'm gonna have to figure out what clothing won't get me chilled. Where I live, rain is often accompanied by really cold winds.

I bought some water resistant zippered pack bags that I tend to keep my clothes in, so they should be fine.

Just stay away from cotton.  Soaking wet cotton when it's cold is worse than being naked.  Most synthetic type sweaters and sweat-wicking sorts of shirts will stay warmer.  Wool is also great when wet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 03, 2018, 04:32:51 PM
I got some overshoes for the next time it rains. Last time I got caught in a downpour and went through some puddles, my shoes filled up with water. That wasn't much fun. Lights are a must for safety.

Are there any recommendations on overall reach? I've been playing with different positions, moving the stem up and down, flipping the stem, slightly angling the bars, but wasn't sure if there's a formula or measurement I could use to determine where my grip on the hoods should be. I even saw some different bars with other reach sizes(85mm,100mm), compact drops, shallow drops... My current bars are 42cm wide and I was thinking of 40cm. I've ridden 4 days in a row to work on the bike, feeling fine after, but I'm trying to improve how I feel during the ride. I bet I just need to focus more on relaxing my arms, grip, etc.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 03, 2018, 05:52:23 PM
I got some overshoes for the next time it rains. Last time I got caught in a downpour and went through some puddles, my shoes filled up with water. That wasn't much fun. Lights are a must for safety.

Are there any recommendations on overall reach? I've been playing with different positions, moving the stem up and down, flipping the stem, slightly angling the bars, but wasn't sure if there's a formula or measurement I could use to determine where my grip on the hoods should be. I even saw some different bars with other reach sizes(85mm,100mm), compact drops, shallow drops... My current bars are 42cm wide and I was thinking of 40cm. I've ridden 4 days in a row to work on the bike, feeling fine after, but I'm trying to improve how I feel during the ride. I bet I just need to focus more on relaxing my arms, grip, etc.

Reach is a tricky one because there are so many ways to change it.  It seems like everything will throw reach off.

Wider bars shorten reach.
Raising your saddle increases reach.
Lowering your bars increases reach.
Saddle fore/aft changes reach.
Every bar has a different reach.
Reach to the drops is different than reach to the hoods, and changes a lot between bars.
You can change stem length to change reach.
The more your stem is angled up, the shorter your reach.

The best way to figure stuff out is to keep riding and adjusting things until you find a setup that you like and that's comfy.  My rule of thumb is to rest my hands on the hoods and hold my forearms parallel to the ground.  Your upper arm should be close to vertical (lower elbow no more than a half inch forward of this) if reach is about right.

It's only after big rides that I end up tinkering with position.  I can comfortably ride almost any bike for an hour.  On a two hour ride little things might start to annoy me.  On a four hour ride you'll know for sure if something is wrong with your fit.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 06, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
Reach is a tricky one because there are so many ways to change it.  It seems like everything will throw reach off.

Wider bars shorten reach.
Raising your saddle increases reach.
Lowering your bars increases reach.
Saddle fore/aft changes reach.
Every bar has a different reach.
Reach to the drops is different than reach to the hoods, and changes a lot between bars.
You can change stem length to change reach.
The more your stem is angled up, the shorter your reach.

The best way to figure stuff out is to keep riding and adjusting things until you find a setup that you like and that's comfy.  My rule of thumb is to rest my hands on the hoods and hold my forearms parallel to the ground.  Your upper arm should be close to vertical (lower elbow no more than a half inch forward of this) if reach is about right.

It's only after big rides that I end up tinkering with position.  I can comfortably ride almost any bike for an hour.  On a two hour ride little things might start to annoy me.  On a four hour ride you'll know for sure if something is wrong with your fit.

:P
My bike and I abide by your rule of thumb and I've had comfortable rides since my last post, so the stem/handlebar/saddle position game is over. Gracias for your guidance.

Local shops wanted $30-$55 to true my front wheel and I would have had to wait like five days, so I picked up my own truing stand over the weekend. Wheels are looking good, which allowed the brakes to get more dialed in. I have some new calipers and catridge style pads+holders en route to finish off the bike. It's amazing how much work can go into bring a used bicycle up to snuff. Bar tape, saddle, stem, pedals, front & rear derailleur adjustment, chain lube, tires, tubes, etc. It should be a good bike for a long time and require very little maintenance after all this though.

*adds a spoke tensiometer to his Christmas list*
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 08:46:16 AM
Oooh, once you get a tensiometer it's time to do some wheelbuilding!  Start checking out sales on hubs and rims in the fall, you can build them over the winter and have an awesome new wheelset for the spring.


:P


Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
Gonna pop in here in the hopes of giving myself some motivation.  I'm trying to work up to being able to bike to work (4 miles).  I started out with biking errands I usually walk, so 1-2 miles round-trip, and every time I've had to walk the bike back at least some of the way.  I live at the top of a hill, so that's part of the problem... I'm having trouble convincing myself to bike on my errands, when it's so much easier and less painful to walk, especially in the 90F heat.

Any advice on motivation to keep biking?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 09:22:09 AM
Gonna pop in here in the hopes of giving myself some motivation.  I'm trying to work up to being able to bike to work (4 miles).  I started out with biking errands I usually walk, so 1-2 miles round-trip, and every time I've had to walk the bike back at least some of the way.  I live at the top of a hill, so that's part of the problem... I'm having trouble convincing myself to bike on my errands, when it's so much easier and less painful to walk, especially in the 90F heat.

Any advice on motivation to keep biking?

If it's easier and less painful to walk, there's something REALLY REALLY wrong going on.

Stuff to check:
- Is your saddle too low?  A low saddle robs your legs of power.  Put your heels on the pedals and spin them backwards.  You should just barely be able to contact the pedals at the bottom of each stroke without leaning your body from side to side on the saddle.  (This usually means that it's not possible to stay on the saddle and put a foot on the ground on each side of the bike.)
- Are you using your gearing correctly?  Pick an easy gear.  No, easier than that one.  Easier than that one.  Pick the easiest gear on your bike.  Now spin up the hill moving your legs quickly rather than grinding away slowly.  It will feel weird and like your legs are moving way too fast initially.  This takes pressure off your knees, and will reduce muscle pain (it will work your heart and cardiovascular system harder though).
- How are you carrying stuff on your bike?  If you're dangling goods from plastic bags on the handles it can make your bike really hard to control (and kinda dangerous).  Do you have a rack, or a backpack that you can use instead?
- Does your bike fit?  Are you on a frame that's way too big or way too small for you?  Is your saddle uncomfortable?  Does your back hurt?  Do your hands hurt?
- Are you brakes dragging?  Are your bearings spinning nicely?  Is your chain oiled?  All of this stuff makes it harder to cycle.
- Do you have a ridiculous or crap bike?  City/Dutch style bikes are great if you live in Holland.  If you live in a place with hills, they kinda suck . . . because they weigh a ton and don't have much gearing range.  Most cheap department store mountain bikes weigh a ton (although they've usually got a reasonably wide gearing range).  All children's bikes weigh a ton (my son's bike weighs as much as mine . . . and he's like three and a half ft tall).


You should be moving faster and easier on a bike . . . which should provide all the motivation you need to keep going!  2 miles is nothing, even when hilly that's like a 10 - 15 minute easy ride if all the above is addressed.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 12:04:00 PM
Gonna pop in here in the hopes of giving myself some motivation.  I'm trying to work up to being able to bike to work (4 miles).  I started out with biking errands I usually walk, so 1-2 miles round-trip, and every time I've had to walk the bike back at least some of the way.  I live at the top of a hill, so that's part of the problem... I'm having trouble convincing myself to bike on my errands, when it's so much easier and less painful to walk, especially in the 90F heat.

Any advice on motivation to keep biking?

If it's easier and less painful to walk, there's something REALLY REALLY wrong going on.

Stuff to check:
- Is your saddle too low?  A low saddle robs your legs of power.  Put your heels on the pedals and spin them backwards.  You should just barely be able to contact the pedals at the bottom of each stroke without leaning your body from side to side on the saddle.  (This usually means that it's not possible to stay on the saddle and put a foot on the ground on each side of the bike.)  I'll recheck tonight, but I had set it as high as I could and still reach the pedals
- Are you using your gearing correctly?  Pick an easy gear.  No, easier than that one.  Easier than that one.  Pick the easiest gear on your bike.  Now spin up the hill moving your legs quickly rather than grinding away slowly.  It will feel weird and like your legs are moving way too fast initially.  This takes pressure off your knees, and will reduce muscle pain (it will work your heart and cardiovascular system harder though).Even on the easiest gear, it's still hard to get up the hill.
- How are you carrying stuff on your bike?  If you're dangling goods from plastic bags on the handles it can make your bike really hard to control (and kinda dangerous).  Do you have a rack, or a backpack that you can use instead?  Carrying in a backpack or on a rack
- Does your bike fit?  Are you on a frame that's way too big or way too small for you?  Is your saddle uncomfortable?  Does your back hurt?  Do your hands hurt?  It's not uncomfortable, and nothing's hurting beyond being really sore the next day
- Are you brakes dragging?  Are your bearings spinning nicely?  Is your chain oiled?  All of this stuff makes it harder to cycle.  I don't know how to check those things, but I took it to a bike shop for new tires last month, and they did a courtesy check
- Do you have a ridiculous or crap bike?  City/Dutch style bikes are great if you live in Holland.  If you live in a place with hills, they kinda suck . . . because they weigh a ton and don't have much gearing range.  Most cheap department store mountain bikes weigh a ton (although they've usually got a reasonably wide gearing range).  All children's bikes weigh a ton (my son's bike weighs as much as mine . . . and he's like three and a half ft tall).  Maybe?  It's an old Huffy, but the bike shop guy said it's a pretty good bike

You should be moving faster and easier on a bike . . . which should provide all the motivation you need to keep going!  2 miles is nothing, even when hilly that's like a 10 - 15 minute easy ride if all the above is addressed.

Downhill is great, I just coast most of the way there, and even coming back it's probably faster than walking, but it's a lot more sweat and effort and soreness to pay for that speed.

Addressed your comments above.  I'll double check the fit tonight, but as far as the bike itself goes, I did have a local bike shop look over it, and they said everything was working fine except the front shifter, which (in their opinion) I shouldn't need just riding around town.  I'm sure the bike isn't particularly light, but it should be rideable.

Most of the exercise I've gotten the last year or more has been walking, and I never carried much muscle anyway, so working a different set of muscles to bike feels a lot harder than just walking the mile.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 12:12:40 PM
Ah, a Huffy.

The bike can be made ridiable, but it's probably never going to be fun (particularly when climbing hills).  The combination of the very heavy bike and general lack of strength might be the problem.

Focus on rule #5?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
Ah, a Huffy.

The bike can be made ridiable, but it's probably never going to be fun (particularly when climbing hills).  The combination of the very heavy bike and general lack of strength might be the problem.

Focus on rule #5?

Well, yeah.  I'm working on that.  Which is why I said I had a motivation problem, I never thought it was a technique problem.  Any advice on motivation?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
Go on longer bike rides.  Use the bike to go distances that you could never go by walking alone.  Keep track of the total distance you've gone each week, and try to beat it the next week.  Time yourself climbing your hill to get home each day and chart progress.  Try to ride with other people when you can.  Make small goals "I want to get up that hill without walking this time" and then make bigger goals "I'm going to go up and down that hill twice today".  Work your way up to "I'm going to ride 100 miles on my bike today".  Watch your body transform as you make it into a lean, mean, bike riding machine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 12:50:48 PM
I'm sorry, maybe I'm in the wrong thread.  I want to be able to bike to work to reduce my reliance on the car, not because I want to fit more biking into my week.  Biking is transportation and exercise for me, not a hobby.  I don't want to ride 100 miles in a day, ever.  I know a lot of people love to bike, but I'm not one of them.  I actually kinda dislike it, I just hate driving way more.

Honestly, your advice to go a distance I can't get by walking sounds like a great way to get stranded somewhere with no way home.

And the more I'm thinking about it (stewing about it?) the more I'm bothered by your previous comment about Rule #5.  I come here for help wanting to bike, because right now I don't want to bike, and your response is to toughen up?  I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, but it's kinda doing the opposite of giving me more motivation.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, don't mind me.  I'll just go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 01:25:40 PM
If you dislike riding a bike, I'm not sure that there's anything that anyone can possibly say that will convince you otherwise.  If riding your bike is misery, then walk.  Or use a scooter.  Roller blades.  Skateboard.  Pogo stick.  Unicycle.  Get an e-bike so you don't have to pedal.  Life is too short to force yourself to do stuff that you hate.  That's fine.  Everyone has different tastes and preferences.

As far as the rule #5 thing . . . You're starting out on a path to self improvement.  You have a long way to go.  It's a mistake pretending that it's always going to be easy.  Anything worth doing in life is going to be a bit of a struggle.  It's going to be tough.  There will be times where you're hurting and have to keep going.  There will be times when it's pouring freezing rain, there's a wild headwind, and you're miles from home.  There will be times when the hill beats you, when your bike breaks down on you, when you crash and lose some skin.  You are capable of overcoming all of those challenges.  Doing so will make you stronger and more resilient.  You'll be able to draw satisfaction from the fact that you were able to motivate yourself through the hard parts, and when you get one of those fun bits of cycling (the gorgeous sunny days, the downhill sections, the many little oddities and adventures that you find) you will know that you've really earned them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
If you dislike riding a bike, I'm not sure that there's anything that anyone can possibly say that will convince you otherwise.  If riding your bike is misery, then walk.  Or use a scooter.  Roller blades.  Skateboard.  Pogo stick.  Unicycle.  Get an e-bike so you don't have to pedal.  Life is too short to force yourself to do stuff that you hate.  That's fine.  Everyone has different tastes and preferences.

I dislike driving a car, too, but I do that every damn day without complaint.  Walking, or roller blades, or a pogo stick will never make an effective replacement for getting to work.  Isn't that what this thread is supposed to be about, biking to work?  It's about transportation to a place I need to go, to make the money to support my life.  If life is too short to do things I hate, I shouldn't be driving either, or going to work at all for that matter.  Given that I need to get there, a bike might well be the least objectionable option.  If I could get that far, which I currently can't.

Walking is more pleasant, which is why I have trouble motivating myself to ride shorter distances, but I'll never be able to go 4 miles if I don't practice going 2 miles.  That's why I need help with motivation.  Is that really so strange?  I'm not asking for some magic words to make me like biking.  Just trying to find a reason to do it anyway, like any other chore.

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As far as the rule #5 thing . . . You're starting out on a path to self improvement.  You have a long way to go.  It's a mistake pretending that it's always going to be easy.  Anything worth doing in life is going to be a bit of a struggle.  It's going to be tough.  There will be times where you're hurting and have to keep going.  There will be times when it's pouring freezing rain, there's a wild headwind, and you're miles from home.  There will be times when the hill beats you, when your bike breaks down on you, when you crash and lose some skin.  You are capable of overcoming all of those challenges.  Doing so will make you stronger and more resilient.  You'll be able to draw satisfaction from the fact that you were able to motivate yourself through the hard parts, and when you get one of those fun bits of cycling (the gorgeous sunny days, the downhill sections, the many little oddities and adventures that you find) you will know that you've really earned them.

I know it's not going to be easy, but you're mistaken that my goal is self-improvement.  My goal is to be able to get to work without burning fossil fuels.  I'm not doing it for the sunny days, the downhills, and the other 'fun bits,' though I'm sure I will come to enjoy them with time.  I just can't use those as the motivation to get through the hard parts, because that's not the point for me.

So what, I just give up and drive because biking isn't inherently enjoyable to me?  That's a hell of a cop-out.  Pretty anti-mustachian, too.

More importantly, Rule #5 is not "Keep working at it, it'll all be worth it when you get through."  It's "Harden the fuck up."  Telling someone with a motivation problem to suck it up is not exactly motivating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on August 07, 2018, 02:03:02 PM
It was mentioned briefly, but try an e-bike.  Go to a store and give it a spin.  It should solve your hill problems (unless these are epic hills, at which point the e-bike could be worse due to weight and insufficient torque to overcome gearing and said weight). 

You might enjoy riding more, too.  My e-bike is a blast to ride, and I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.  There are options for conversion kits, as well as prices all about the spectrum if you end up wanting to proceed with it, but don't want to spend too much. 

Regarding fossil fuels (since you state that as motivation), I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations based upon my experience, and my carbon output is lower on my e-bike than it would be on a regular bike.  The electricity used emits less carbon than the food production that goes into the extra calories I would need on a regular bike.  Part of this might be particular to my situation, as I live in CA and the electricity produced here is fairly carbon-friendly.  Still, the electricity consumed is basically negligible.  About 1 kWh for 80 miles for me; I do burn extra calories as well on the e-bike, but not as many as I would on a regular bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 02:12:13 PM
It was mentioned briefly, but try an e-bike.  Go to a store and give it a spin.  It should solve your hill problems (unless these are epic hills, at which point the e-bike could be worse due to weight and insufficient torque to overcome gearing and said weight). 

You might enjoy riding more, too.  My e-bike is a blast to ride, and I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.  There are options for conversion kits, as well as prices all about the spectrum if you end up wanting to proceed with it, but don't want to spend too much. 

Regarding fossil fuels (since you state that as motivation), I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations based upon my experience, and my carbon output is lower on my e-bike than it would be on a regular bike.  The electricity used emits less carbon than the food production that goes into the extra calories I would need on a regular bike.  Part of this might be particular to my situation, as I live in CA and the electricity produced here is fairly carbon-friendly.  Still, the electricity consumed is basically negligible.  About 1 kWh for 80 miles for me; I do burn extra calories as well on the e-bike, but not as many as I would on a regular bike.

Thanks for weighing in.  I was hoping not to spend any more on the bike, at least until I know I'll actually use it enough to justify the expense, but maybe I should just bite the bullet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 02:19:11 PM
If life is too short to do things I hate, I shouldn't be driving either, or going to work at all for that matter.

Agreed.  Find a job that you don't hate within walking distance of a place you can rent.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 07, 2018, 02:25:12 PM

Agreed.  Find a job that you don't hate within walking distance of a place you can rent.

Are you being unhelpful on purpose?  We both know life's not that easy.  For instance, where I live isn't determined by my job alone, it also has to be in commuting distance of my husband's job.  I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but so far you just seem to be offended that I don't enjoy your hobby like you do.  If you didn't have anything motivating to say, why did you respond to my post in the first place?

Anyway, congratulations.  I'm now more demoralized than I was when I asked for help.  Great job.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 07, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
Go on longer bike rides.  Use the bike to go distances that you could never go by walking alone.  Keep track of the total distance you've gone each week, and try to beat it the next week.  Time yourself climbing your hill to get home each day and chart progress.  Try to ride with other people when you can.  Make small goals "I want to get up that hill without walking this time" and then make bigger goals "I'm going to go up and down that hill twice today".  Work your way up to "I'm going to ride 100 miles on my bike today".  Watch your body transform as you make it into a lean, mean, bike riding machine.
@GuitarStv, looks like you're getting a little over zealous for cycling in the newbies thread. As always you have great advice for cyclists (thanks for your long distance cycling tips thread - I do want to do an century ride someday, but I know that's not for everyone - not even for everyone that likes cycling).
Oooh, once you get a tensiometer it's time to do some wheelbuilding!  Start checking out sales on hubs and rims in the fall, you can build them over the winter and have an awesome new wheelset for the spring.
A few years ago I looked into building my own (dished rear) wheel, but sourcing spokes appeared to be a problem. I could only find spokes at a reasonable price in bags of 50 - not great when you only need 18 in a particular length. Ended up spending about $250 on a hand-built wheel at a LBS.

@Raenia, Great job trying out biking on shorter errands. If you lived in flatter terrain, I'm sure you would have been much more successful working up to longer distances. Would your route to work involve more hills? Your old Huffy is probably fairly heavy. I think in your case, an e-bike might make a lot of sense. I'd look for someplace you can try one out on a hill similar to yours - you might even find you like it.

As far as spending money goes, it would be hard to justify the expense of a decent new e-bike based solely on the reduction of driving (easy to justify financially if it means you maintain fewer cars though).

In my city the local buses have bike racks, so a transit card in my pocket means I don't have to worry about being stranded. Do you know what resources for cycling your city has?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 07, 2018, 05:01:56 PM
It's better when you are building a wheel set.  Often both sides of the front and the NDS rear spokes are the same length . . . so for 32 spoked wheels you need 48 of one size, 16 of another.  Two bags of 50.  I've found good prices at JensonUSA for wheelsmith double butted and straight spokes.  I'd love to use Sapim CX Rays but they range from damned expensive to totally ridiculous depending on where you look.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 08, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
@Raenia, Great job trying out biking on shorter errands. If you lived in flatter terrain, I'm sure you would have been much more successful working up to longer distances. Would your route to work involve more hills? Your old Huffy is probably fairly heavy. I think in your case, an e-bike might make a lot of sense. I'd look for someplace you can try one out on a hill similar to yours - you might even find you like it.

As far as spending money goes, it would be hard to justify the expense of a decent new e-bike based solely on the reduction of driving (easy to justify financially if it means you maintain fewer cars though).

In my city the local buses have bike racks, so a transit card in my pocket means I don't have to worry about being stranded. Do you know what resources for cycling your city has?

Thanks for the tips!  We're already a 1 car household, so we wouldn't be able to drop the car maintenance/registration entirely.  Unfortunately the only savings will be for gas/mileage.  We're out in the suburbs, where the buses are much less available, but maybe I can plan out a route that goes by more bus stops as a back-up.  I'll have to check if the buses here usually have a bike rack, as well.  I should also check out the route I would use to get to work - I've looked on a map, but it's not quite the same as the car route I use (avoid some bad intersections, cut through a golf course) so it may have shallower grades that I can handle.

Hey Raenia,

I’ll throw out a few motivation suggestions with the hopes that one will stick!

I am a numbers person and really love looking at my biking stats. I bike for transportation and entertainment (not for exercise or trying to beat speed or distance PRs).  It’s motivating to see how many miles I’ve rode.  Apps like Strava compile your stats and give weekly/month/yearly stat totals.

Speaking of numbers, what about a running tally of calculating either how much gas you aren’t using per day/week/month/etc. or how much time you are saving by biking rather than walking which you can use doing something else.

How about a commuting buddy?  Is there someone from your work that you can meet up with and bike in together?  Can you recruit someone to do it with you even 1-2 times a week to start?

What about an accountability partner that will check in with you (however often you need) to hold you accountable and also motivate you to reach your goals.

Would spending money (for instance buying an e bike like others have suggested) give you motivation to use it and not collect dust in storage?

Thanks for the ideas!  I don't have a smartphone to use an app, but I could probably whip up a spreadsheet to show miles/time saved/gas saved and enter the numbers when I get home.  A commuting buddy would be fantastic, unfortunately none of my coworkers live in the same area as me, and they are all much further away (I don't think any of them commute less than 40 min, many longer.)  Sadly, past evidence suggests that spending up-front is not effective as a motivator for me, but maybe I can figure a way to use it as a reward if I stick with it for a certain time...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 08, 2018, 03:38:57 PM
Oooh, once you get a tensiometer it's time to do some wheelbuilding!  Start checking out sales on hubs and rims in the fall, you can build them over the winter and have an awesome new wheelset for the spring.


:P
Haha, for now I just want the tensiometer for keeping my own wheels true and properly maintained. Maybe I'll turn wheel truing into a side gig later: "Wheels trued for $20 or your wheels back. (No warranty - Not liable for damages[even if clearly intentional].)"

Building or buying new wheels looks like a major expense. I'm not sure how much of a benefit I'd be able to feel and the cost could easily exceed the price I paid for the bike. I already regret looking up the weight of the wheels I have(which might be north of 2100g.) It's hard not to chase the "upgrade rabbit" or scratch the "new parts" itch. I've already failed in a few ways(as previously mentioned), I installed matching groupset calipers with Kool Stop pads last night and bought new Jagwire Pro shift and brake cables today - that has to be the end to it... right?

I still love the bike though. Ridden every day since I bought it. For anyone who's commuting on a 26" mtb and thinking about a road bike, the switch is worth it. I'm faster and I can ride every day.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 09, 2018, 07:22:28 AM
No pressure to build 'em or anything.  I waited five years until my wheelset was breaking spokes pretty regularly and the rims were wearing through from braking before changing mine out.  Going from a 2400 g wheelset to the 1750 gram wheelset that I built was a pretty dramatic change to the bike though.

Agreed on the difference between a road and mountain bike too.  Just the body position alone makes you significantly faster for the same effort.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 09, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
A commuting buddy would be fantastic, unfortunately none of my coworkers live in the same area as me, and they are all much further away (I don't think any of them commute less than 40 min, many longer.)
Commute buddy doesn't have to be a co-worker, a neighbor who works in the same general area would work just as well. Of course co-workers are easier to meet with to discuss the idea.

Thanks for the ideas!  I don't have a smartphone to use an app, but I could probably whip up a spreadsheet to show miles/time saved/gas saved and enter the numbers when I get home.
I've done plenty of tracking my miles manually. You can get cycle computers to track distance (and speed) for less than $10. I do know that Strava also works on a tablet that has GPS.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 09, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Thanks for the ideas!  I don't have a smartphone to use an app, but I could probably whip up a spreadsheet to show miles/time saved/gas saved and enter the numbers when I get home.
I've done plenty of tracking my miles manually. You can get cycle computers to track distance (and speed) for less than $10. I do know that Strava also works on a tablet that has GPS.

Manual tracking is pretty easy.  You'll find that you tend to cycle to/from the same places pretty regularly (home-work, home-library, home-grocery store) so it's mostly a matter of checking Google maps for the distance once and then simply tallying things up.

* Also worth tracking if you're in a hilly area is the height change that you ride.  Doing 10 km on the flat is totally different than doing 10 km with two thousand feet of climbing!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 09, 2018, 10:00:04 AM
No pressure to build 'em or anything.  I waited five years until my wheelset was breaking spokes pretty regularly and the rims were wearing through from braking before changing mine out.  Going from a 2400 g wheelset to the 1750 gram wheelset that I built was a pretty dramatic change to the bike though.

Agreed on the difference between a road and mountain bike too.  Just the body position alone makes you significantly faster for the same effort.

:P
I think I only got about 5000 miles on machine built 32 straight spoke rear wheels. Upgrading to hand built, 36 single butted spoke rear wheel has improved durability drastically. Never have had issues with machine built 32 straight spoke front wheels (did replace both wheels as a wheel set once, but probably didn't need to replace the front - do have rim brakes, so front rim will need replacing eventually).

It's better when you are building a wheel set.  Often both sides of the front and the NDS rear spokes are the same length . . . so for 32 spoked wheels you need 48 of one size, 16 of another.  Two bags of 50.  I've found good prices at JensonUSA for wheelsmith double butted and straight spokes.  I'd love to use Sapim CX Rays but they range from damned expensive to totally ridiculous depending on where you look.  :P
Good point about wheel set. 50 spokes is even enough for 32 front and 18 rear. I did think about going with a not dished wheel by swapping out my derailleurs for a NuVinci Nfinity hub.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 09, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
Manual tracking is pretty easy.  You'll find that you tend to cycle to/from the same places pretty regularly (home-work, home-library, home-grocery store) so it's mostly a matter of checking Google maps for the distance once and then simply tallying things up.

* Also worth tracking if you're in a hilly area is the height change that you ride.  Doing 10 km on the flat is totally different than doing 10 km with two thousand feet of climbing!
I do love that Google maps shows the elevation profile of the ride for cycling directions (although mine is usually simply "mostly flat"). An inexpensive cycle computer won't provide that (I believe Stava does).

If the motivation is reduced driving, the miles for the route you would have taken in the car is more important than the miles you actually biked (especially great if you have shortcuts you can take by bike; not so great if the car route is more direct due to avoiding high stress cycling situations).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on August 13, 2018, 05:51:14 AM
Just picked this up on a whim at the library (was on display).

Might be a good read for those just starting their commuting journey—I’ll let you know if I think it’s worth the read!

How is everyone’s commuting going?
Triumphs? Obstacles? Challenges?

Happy biking!

Nice. I highly recommend "Just Ride" for the beginner commuter or one thinking about taking the plunge. Helps to detach yourself from any fears and to approach commuting by bike rationally (and also not like a racer, which the author likes to poke fun of, having been one himself).

I just finished a month straight of commuting only by bike to work. I even made it a point to only use my car if 1. I was leaving my city limits (which is quite large) or 2. my gf and I were going somewhere further than she was willing to walk (doesn't happen often, she doesn't have a bike - YET).

So this means going to work, getting groceries, taking the kid to parks, library, etc. all has been done by bicycle. Most noticeable things so far are my appetite is enormous and I feel like I'm never satiated. And I suddenly have a "ripped" stomach. It's not bodybuilder-like but it is noticeably different. The gf also said that lately I've been in a really good mood all of the time. Not sure if this has anything to do with biking but I like to think it is.

I've really come to detest driving in all honesty. I can feel the mental difference when driving a car versus riding a bike or walking. Stress vs a feeling of freedom. I drive to the burbs every weekend out of necessity and that's plenty of driving for me every week. I wish I could eliminate that but all my family lives in suburbs (south of me) and even my son stays with his mom in another suburb (north of me). There's just too much damn sprawl here.

Ok, rant over, bike commuting is going well :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on August 13, 2018, 11:28:34 AM
A coworker reminded me that a batch of condos is just finishing up in my neighbourhood, and most of them are going to be getting on my public transit route. An even stronger argument for riding whenever possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 15, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Just picked this up on a whim at the library (was on display).

Might be a good read for those just starting their commuting journey—I’ll let you know if I think it’s worth the read!

How is everyone’s commuting going?
Triumphs? Obstacles? Challenges?

Happy biking!

Nice. I highly recommend "Just Ride" for the beginner commuter or one thinking about taking the plunge. Helps to detach yourself from any fears and to approach commuting by bike rationally (and also not like a racer, which the author likes to poke fun of, having been one himself).

I just finished a month straight of commuting only by bike to work. I even made it a point to only use my car if 1. I was leaving my city limits (which is quite large) or 2. my gf and I were going somewhere further than she was willing to walk (doesn't happen often, she doesn't have a bike - YET).

So this means going to work, getting groceries, taking the kid to parks, library, etc. all has been done by bicycle. Most noticeable things so far are my appetite is enormous and I feel like I'm never satiated. And I suddenly have a "ripped" stomach. It's not bodybuilder-like but it is noticeably different. The gf also said that lately I've been in a really good mood all of the time. Not sure if this has anything to do with biking but I like to think it is.

I've really come to detest driving in all honesty. I can feel the mental difference when driving a car versus riding a bike or walking. Stress vs a feeling of freedom. I drive to the burbs every weekend out of necessity and that's plenty of driving for me every week. I wish I could eliminate that but all my family lives in suburbs (south of me) and even my son stays with his mom in another suburb (north of me). There's just too much damn sprawl here.

Ok, rant over, bike commuting is going well :)
My mood improves the more I bike too, but my ripped stomach is still hiding under some other stuff. Props to you for all the biking.

There's certainly a different mindset to driving versus biking. When I pedal I can go as fast as I want to, I don't have to worry about parking, I feel less aggravated and more accomplished.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 15, 2018, 04:59:08 PM
Driving makes me angrier than anything else in my life except reading the news. People are so BAD at it! Not to mention rude!

So biking is a good way to improve my mood just by removing that frustration from my daily life.

Er, if only I did it more often...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 18, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
I really need more fluorescent/reflective materials like that if I ever want to commute in the evening.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on August 21, 2018, 01:09:21 PM
Yes! I need a bright/reflective vest like that but I'm in the No Clothes Shopping Challenge!!! Maybe that wont count since it's for safety reasons? ;)

I have been slacking terribly with biking to work. Ever time I'm like "tomorrow I'm going to ride" I check the weather and see it's going to rain, like tomorrow. So I plan to ride Thursday and Friday when it's not going to rain. I figure if I write it down here then I have to stick to it, right?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 21, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
Yes! I need a bright/reflective vest like that but I'm in the No Clothes Shopping Challenge!!! Maybe that wont count since it's for safety reasons? ;)

I have been slacking terribly with biking to work. Ever time I'm like "tomorrow I'm going to ride" I check the weather and see it's going to rain, like tomorrow. So I plan to ride Thursday and Friday when it's not going to rain. I figure if I write it down here then I have to stick to it, right?

Buy reflective patches and sew them on a jacket you already own, or your backpack.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 21, 2018, 01:50:40 PM
Yes! I need a bright/reflective vest like that but I'm in the No Clothes Shopping Challenge!!! Maybe that wont count since it's for safety reasons? ;)

I have been slacking terribly with biking to work. Ever time I'm like "tomorrow I'm going to ride" I check the weather and see it's going to rain, like tomorrow. So I plan to ride Thursday and Friday when it's not going to rain. I figure if I write it down here then I have to stick to it, right?

Buy reflective patches and sew them on a jacket you already own, or your backpack.

I've done up my backpack with reflective tape, but this sounds sturdier...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on August 22, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
Yes! I need a bright/reflective vest like that but I'm in the No Clothes Shopping Challenge!!! Maybe that wont count since it's for safety reasons? ;)

I have been slacking terribly with biking to work. Ever time I'm like "tomorrow I'm going to ride" I check the weather and see it's going to rain, like tomorrow. So I plan to ride Thursday and Friday when it's not going to rain. I figure if I write it down here then I have to stick to it, right?

We’ll hold you accountable!
I’ll be checking back Thursday & Friday to see how you made out

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haypug16 on August 23, 2018, 06:48:57 AM
I did it! Rode my bike to work 9.1 miles in 1 hour. Hoping to eventually cut that time down a little but it's a nice ride and spending an hour outside twice a day is lovely.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 23, 2018, 09:02:02 AM
I did it! Rode my bike to work 9.1 miles in 1 hour. Hoping to eventually cut that time down a little but it's a nice ride and spending an hour outside twice a day is lovely.

Right on!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 23, 2018, 09:57:00 AM
I did it! Rode my bike to work 9.1 miles in 1 hour. Hoping to eventually cut that time down a little but it's a nice ride and spending an hour outside twice a day is lovely.
Nice! The distance makes it pretty easy to calculate how fast you're traveling. That'll be some good exercise.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on August 25, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
Took a corner too quickly, banged my forearm and the handlebar on a tall standing rock. The forearm is scraped. The handlebars are now tilted (still straight) so the left is about an inch lower than the right. Not immediately clear how to fix the handle, and it chewed up one of my new grips.

Put a bit of a damper on the rest of the ride, and I'm disproportionately bummed about having to take my bike in for service.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 25, 2018, 02:43:29 PM
If the handlebar is actually visibly bent, I'd suggest replacing it.  You don't know what kind of fatigue the aluminum has after a crash, and having your weakened bars snap is a good way to seriously hurt yourself in an accident.  Most bike shops will have some cheap bars that have been swapped off other bikes for 10-20$, so it's not a crippling expense.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on August 25, 2018, 06:21:57 PM
Joining this thread because the tips from the seasoned pros are great!

I’m hoping to bike more because since DD’s school moved to a new location, it’s faster to bike (~30 minutes) than to take public transportation (1 hr 15 min). We don’t have a car. The total ride is approx. 9 km on city roads, in Chinese traffic, in the largest city in China, with 8 bajillion other scooters, mopeds, motorcycles, bicycles, cargo bikes, etc. all driven by aggressive Chinese drivers.

I’m a total newbie and not a bike connoisseur at all. I have an e-bike that cost about $400 (Yunbike), which is a higher-end Chinese brand. They bill themselves as being a “smart bike” because you can bind your bike to your phone via an app that tracks your distance, battery power remaining, etc. It’s quite light and works wonderfully well, allowing me to pedal when I feel like it, but coast when I’m tired. And I don’t get to work too sweaty. And riding up hills becomes really easy, even when it is 100F (~35-38C) in high humidity) outside.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 25, 2018, 09:21:17 PM
My swim class finished today. I've been using it as a crutch/excuse not to do other exercise on the weekends, which are also my best opportunity to get some biking in. I need to be in better shape if I want to bike to work regularly, so it's time to get back into practice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 27, 2018, 12:03:50 PM
Reach is a tricky one because there are so many ways to change it.  It seems like everything will throw reach off.

Wider bars shorten reach.
Raising your saddle increases reach.
Lowering your bars increases reach.
Saddle fore/aft changes reach.
Every bar has a different reach.
Reach to the drops is different than reach to the hoods, and changes a lot between bars.
You can change stem length to change reach.
The more your stem is angled up, the shorter your reach.
Swapped parts around again this weekend...

Old Setup: 90mm Stem + 100mm Reach, 125mm Drop, 42cm Width Handlebars
New Setup: 100mm Stem + 85mm Reach, 125mm Drop, 40cm Width Handlebars + Lowered 1 spacer
10mm Increase + 15mm Decrease + ? Decrease + ? Increase

Effectively I may have done nothing but spend $40. The bike felt good this morning, maybe better. My forearms weren't hitting the bar while I was in the drops and the bar felt like it was in a more useable position. It could just be a placebo effect... the new stem looks nice.

I gotta stop doing stuff that requires re-wrapping the bar tape. I've had the bike for 4 weeks and I've re-wrapped the bars 3 times =P It is becoming like a calming meditation... unwrap the tape, wrap the tape, breathe in, breath out...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 27, 2018, 02:45:04 PM
The other annoying thing you gotta remember is that you tend to get used to how your bike is setup . . . so sometimes even if you change it for the better, it will initially feel worse until you do a few longer rides on it.  :P

Wait until you start swapping saddles, trying to find something that's comfortable for 6 hours.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 27, 2018, 03:24:40 PM
Careful, don't scare off the newbies with all this talk of dialing in fit for long rides, better to take that to https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/guitarstv's-long-bike-ride-tips!/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/guitarstv's-long-bike-ride-tips!/).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on August 27, 2018, 03:30:35 PM
Apparently I need a new stem, and my bike is too old for them to have one in stock. So I went to two shops, and the second one suggested I go to the DIY shop up the street because they have old bits from donated bikes they've stripped for parts. They don't seem concerned about me riding on the bike in the meantime.

And my squealing back brake is a great way to convince cars not to turn right into me at intersections. Much more effective than a cheery bell.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 27, 2018, 05:26:27 PM
Apparently I need a new stem, and my bike is too old for them to have one in stock. So I went to two shops, and the second one suggested I go to the DIY shop up the street because they have old bits from donated bikes they've stripped for parts. They don't seem concerned about me riding on the bike in the meantime.

And my squealing back brake is a great way to convince cars not to turn right into me at intersections. Much more effective than a cheery bell.
Needing a new stem shouldn't be a reason you can't fix the rear brake.

If you're OK riding with it bent, it might not be be too bad - the part would be further weakened if you bent it back. The type of metal it is made of also has a big impact - generally the harder/stronger an alloy is the more brittle it is. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: plainjane on August 28, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
Apparently I need a new stem, and my bike is too old for them to have one in stock. So I went to two shops, and the second one suggested I go to the DIY shop up the street because they have old bits from donated bikes they've stripped for parts. They don't seem concerned about me riding on the bike in the meantime.

And my squealing back brake is a great way to convince cars not to turn right into me at intersections. Much more effective than a cheery bell.
Are you up for fixing the squeaky brakes yourself? 
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https://www.ilovebicycling.com/how-to-fix-squeaky-bike-brakes/

Thanks for the link! I think it's an alignment issue. Not sure if I really want to fix it though - it is _very_ effective at getting attention when I need it. I can brake quietly in most non-emergency situations, and sometimes for emergency situations there isn't time for a bell or a mental space to remember to shout.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on August 28, 2018, 07:59:29 AM
Joining this thread because the tips from the seasoned pros are great!

I’m hoping to bike more because since DD’s school moved to a new location, it’s faster to bike (~30 minutes) than to take public transportation (1 hr 15 min). We don’t have a car. The total ride is approx. 9 km on city roads, in Chinese traffic, in the largest city in China, with 8 bajillion other scooters, mopeds, motorcycles, bicycles, cargo bikes, etc. all driven by aggressive Chinese drivers.

I’m a total newbie and not a bike connoisseur at all. I have an e-bike that cost about $400 (Yunbike), which is a higher-end Chinese brand. They bill themselves as being a “smart bike” because you can bind your bike to your phone via an app that tracks your distance, battery power remaining, etc. It’s quite light and works wonderfully well, allowing me to pedal when I feel like it, but coast when I’m tired. And I don’t get to work too sweaty. And riding up hills becomes really easy, even when it is 100F (~35-38C) in high humidity) outside.

Welcome Freedomin5.

Keep us updated on how your commuting is going.

Thanks for the warm welcome!

We’ve biked two days in a row now. So far, it’s been good. The weather has cooled a bit and it’s only 30C now. The hairiest part of the ride is one particular intersection where we are crossing 14 lanes of traffic (7 in each direction), half of those lanes are on-ramps onto a major highway. I think I’ve figured out the safest way to cross — there is safety in numbers so I try to bike in the middle of the 10-15 other bikes/mopeds/scooters trying to cross this massive avenue. Which basically means I’m biking as fast as possible with electric pedal assist on so I can keep up with the mopeds.

Other than that, it’s a really nice ride on dedicated bike lanes that are separated from the road by barriers. My butt does tend to get a bit sore after the first hour or so but I don’t want to upgrade it too much because that also upgrades the chances of the bike being stolen. Is there some kind of padded seat cover than I can just slip on top of my regular old seat? And take with me when I park my bike?

My goal is to work my way up so that I’m using pedal assist less and my own leg power more. Today, I biked a total of 31 km (20 miles). Biked to work after dropping DD off at school. Took me 1.25 hours to go 15 km, but that was because there were a TON of traffic lights and lots of other bikes on the road. I must’ve spent at least 15-20 minutes just waiting at red lights. It was still faster than if I had taken a taxi/bus since I was biking in rush hour traffic.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 28, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
The other annoying thing you gotta remember is that you tend to get used to how your bike is setup . . . so sometimes even if you change it for the better, it will initially feel worse until you do a few longer rides on it.  :P

Wait until you start swapping saddles, trying to find something that's comfortable for 6 hours.
It's been a long time(20 years) since I've ridden for such a long time(6 hours). Local bike shops have group rides that I've been thinking about joining in on. Going beyond my usual commute distance would be good and I've been itching to go farther.

Careful, don't scare off the newbies with all this talk of dialing in fit for long rides, better to take that to https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/guitarstv's-long-bike-ride-tips!/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/guitarstv's-long-bike-ride-tips!/).
Toy's R Us is gone, so a kid can't be a kid anymore... do I really need to admit that I'm not much of a newbie too?

I experimented with clipping in and using a backpack for the last few months.

Swapped out my SPDs back for my Power Grips and my first ride (which I did not have my feet in the straps) with the PGs had my feet flying off the pedals!  I didn't realize how much I took advantage of pulling up on the pedals on the back end of the pedal rotation. 

Installed my rack and pannier back on as well.  For commuting and errands around town, the PGs and pannier are a much better option for me.
I like SPDs, but I'm able to leave a spare pair of shoes at work. There are some SPD compatible shoes that'll allow you to blend in with the normies or pedals which have a larger platform for normal shoes, like the Shimano M324. Clipless pedals helped with some knee pain I was having, so it would be hard to switch back.

The hairiest part of the ride is one particular intersection where we are crossing 14 lanes of traffic (7 in each direction), half of those lanes are on-ramps onto a major highway. I think I’ve figured out the safest way to cross — there is safety in numbers so I try to bike in the middle of the 10-15 other bikes/mopeds/scooters trying to cross this massive avenue. Which basically means I’m biking as fast as possible with electric pedal assist on so I can keep up with the mopeds.

Other than that...
"Crosses14Lanes" would be a great username. Maybe add "2x per day" as a tagline for extra street cred. That's commitment.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Moonwaves on August 29, 2018, 07:49:49 AM
Is there some kind of padded seat cover than I can just slip on top of my regular old seat? And take with me when I park my bike?

There are removable padded bike seat covers available (I don’t have any experience with them and therefore cannot make any recommendations). 

Yep, I just bought one of these a couple of weeks ago and it has definitely improved things for me. I just got the standard one they had in the bike shop rather than spending time researching best ones. At this stage, I just need to make things as easy as possible on myself. There was a choice of wide or narrow and it cost €15. I've generally left it on for now but I have to admit I've wondered if I'm being too trusting. I think I'll probably continue to leave it on when parked until the first time it gets taken. Either it won't and it's all good, or I'll replace it once and know better for the future.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on August 30, 2018, 05:06:53 AM
For all you curious minds, here is how fourteen lanes of traffic in motion looks like.

In the second pic, I could only capture seven lanes. The other lanes are on the other side of the divider. So take that pic and double it to get a sense of the size of the intersection.

I also included a pic of the mass of motorists that I try to follow hen crossing a large intersection. I try to hide in the middle/back of the pack.

And just for fun I'm including a pic of cars trying to turn onto a road. I should preface this pic by saying that there was officially only one right turn lane and one left turn lane.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: x02947 on September 24, 2018, 08:03:37 AM
Hi y’all!  Essentially a biking newb here- haven’t rode a bike since wandering around my neighborhood as a kid.  I’ve been wanting to get in on the bike to work scene, and scored a free bike over the weekend (Sedona XL Giant bought new about 4-5 years ago with some panniers).  Definitely need to get a lot better at biking before I attempt to make the trip to work, though.  Eventually, I will make my first commute on a Friday before a 3-day weekend when traffic is super-light, then work towards Fridays, and hopefully eventually just make it an everyday thing.  I would love to go back to being a one-car family, but that’s a (much) longer term effort.
 
The problem I will eventually end up facing is that I have a nice, flat, 7 mile ride to work that has big car-lane-width shoulders for the first 6 miles and then turns into a mass of cloverleaf on/off ramps and entrance/exit lanes for the last mile. My place of work is smack in the middle of this.  For a car, it’s very nice because it’s essentially like a 50 mph interstate- people getting on and off don’t mess with you. There is a back road/trail I think I could take that would only add 3 or so miles, but I will still have to deal with passing at least 4 ramp lanes (on and off for each direction of travel).  I think I would just need to stop in the shoulder, wait for a break in traffic, and then make my way across.  Small beans, I suppose, to experienced bikers, but it is what it is to me.  I would be perfectly happy to cut off the road and do a bit through the woods but this is an old military base and they find old WWII/WWI munitions all the time.  I can move my commute times a little bit, but not very much due to little ones at home/DW schedule/etc.  (okay, in the spirit of MMM it's not *can't* but *not willing to make that sacrifice/effort*)

There is practically no biking culture in the area, and that little which does exist is focused toward group rides after hours for cardio exercise.  In my 3 years working here I’ve seen someone biking at coming/going hours maybe 5 times?  And those were along the nice shoulder parts, not at the hectic part.

So, I know what I want to do, what I need to do to get there, and how to do it.  I guess I’m just posting for the sake of accountability?   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 24, 2018, 08:56:45 AM
Hi y’all!  Essentially a biking newb here- haven’t rode a bike since wandering around my neighborhood as a kid.  I’ve been wanting to get in on the bike to work scene, and scored a free bike over the weekend (Sedona XL Giant bought new about 4-5 years ago with some panniers).  Definitely need to get a lot better at biking before I attempt to make the trip to work, though.  Eventually, I will make my first commute on a Friday before a 3-day weekend when traffic is super-light, then work towards Fridays, and hopefully eventually just make it an everyday thing.  I would love to go back to being a one-car family, but that’s a (much) longer term effort.
 
The problem I will eventually end up facing is that I have a nice, flat, 7 mile ride to work that has big car-lane-width shoulders for the first 6 miles and then turns into a mass of cloverleaf on/off ramps and entrance/exit lanes for the last mile. My place of work is smack in the middle of this.  For a car, it’s very nice because it’s essentially like a 50 mph interstate- people getting on and off don’t mess with you. There is a back road/trail I think I could take that would only add 3 or so miles, but I will still have to deal with passing at least 4 ramp lanes (on and off for each direction of travel).  I think I would just need to stop in the shoulder, wait for a break in traffic, and then make my way across.  Small beans, I suppose, to experienced bikers, but it is what it is to me.  I would be perfectly happy to cut off the road and do a bit through the woods but this is an old military base and they find old WWII/WWI munitions all the time.  I can move my commute times a little bit, but not very much due to little ones at home/DW schedule/etc.  (okay, in the spirit of MMM it's not *can't* but *not willing to make that sacrifice/effort*)

There is practically no biking culture in the area, and that little which does exist is focused toward group rides after hours for cardio exercise.  In my 3 years working here I’ve seen someone biking at coming/going hours maybe 5 times?  And those were along the nice shoulder parts, not at the hectic part.

So, I know what I want to do, what I need to do to get there, and how to do it.  I guess I’m just posting for the sake of accountability?

How do pedestrians get around in this area?  Is it possible to get off your bike and walk on the sidewalk past the most worrying sections of road?

One section I bike commute through in Toronto is very with multiple on/off-ramps to major highways.  I'm able to get through it by being following the rules of the road, being confident, taking the lane when necessary, knowing my route very well, and making myself very visible (bright jacket, multiple rear lights, lots of reflective stuff).  It's not the most fun part of my commute though and would be daunting if you're new to bike commuting.

Definitely try a couple dry runs at very quiet times (Sunday mornings are great for this) to get a feel for the route before jumping in at rush hour.  My experience is that Fridays are often the scariest days to commute simply because people seem to be more rushed and in a worse mood.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: x02947 on September 25, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
How do pedestrians get around in this area?  Is it possible to get off your bike and walk on the sidewalk past the most worrying sections of road?

The road my building is essentially a controlled access highway.  There literally are no sidewalks.  I work on a military base, so I just come in the gate and my building is a few miles down on the main entrance road.  The trail I mentioned is one of the exercise paths that just happens to go to the headquarters building across the street from me.  There are no crosswalks, no sidewalks, or anything else.  Other than a few exercise trails, it’s just pure road.   

One section I bike commute through in Toronto is very with multiple on/off-ramps to major highways.  I'm able to get through it by being following the rules of the road, being confident, taking the lane when necessary, knowing my route very well, and making myself very visible (bright jacket, multiple rear lights, lots of reflective stuff).  It's not the most fun part of my commute though and would be daunting if you're new to bike commuting.

Absolutely- I can logically see that it’s just a few spurts than should be easily done with said mitigation. I just gotta push myself off the ledge and do it.  The base actually requires several high visibility/reflective measures in order to bike on it. 

Definitely try a couple dry runs at very quiet times (Sunday mornings are great for this) to get a feel for the route before jumping in at rush hour.  My experience is that Fridays are often the scariest days to commute simply because people seem to be more rushed and in a worse mood.

The weekends are absolutely dead on my road so weekend trials are a great idea.  Slightly annoying as they close the entrance gates near me on the weekends so I have go to the other side of the base then through to my entrance, but that’s just an excuse and not a really good one, at that. 

Thanks for the support and advice!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dvdvrhs on September 26, 2018, 09:17:09 AM
Coldest bike commute to date. Mid 50s F, ~13 C.

The wind was a bit biting, but I did okay with a jacket. I think gloves would have been VERY nice though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on September 26, 2018, 10:31:06 AM
Yep, I'm slowly getting to probe colder/less convenient commuting temperatures.  My morning commute is is in the dark, and via e-bike (read: faster speed/more wind, comparatively less heat generated from the body especially since I strive for no sweating in the morning).  I've found that I kind of wanted gloves at 58-59 F, but it was ok without.  Seems like full-fingered gloves will be the first modification as it gets colder, followed by something for my ears. 

Also, we're predicted to have some rain next week, so that'll be an adjustment.  I've got some gear; hopefully I've prepared well enough!  Going to have to cut down on my speed for both safety and comfort, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 26, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
'Tis the season to light up.

I run a bright blinkie on my seat post and another on my backpack all the time now that it's usually overcast or rainy.  When it's very dark out I add in a bright headlight, two more lights on my backpack, and a blinking arm band on my signalling upper arm.  Yes, it's overkill . . . but lights are cheap and effective.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: moof on September 26, 2018, 11:33:55 AM
'Tis the season to light up.

I run a bright blinkie on my seat post and another on my backpack all the time now that it's usually overcast or rainy.  When it's very dark out I add in a bright headlight, two more lights on my backpack, and a blinking arm band on my signalling upper arm.  Yes, it's overkill . . . but lights are cheap and effective.
+1.  I started leaving my front 1400 lumen light in blinky mode starting this spring.  In broad daylight I have had a lot fewer cars try and turn through me or cut me off at driveways and intersections, clearly a few more cars see me in their mirrors than before.  Cars I never expected to yield often now do so rather than "going for it".  It is also fun to ride right up to driver side windows of cars that pull into the intersection and block my bike lane.  1400 lumens flashing 3' from your face is painful comeuppance.

Rear blinkies and reflective gear and stickers also make you stick out well, and indeed are cheap insurance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 26, 2018, 12:46:31 PM
Joining in. I'm not a bike commuting newbie, but I've been making a big effort to increase my frequency and convert more non-commuting trips to bike trips. So far, so good. I've only driven the car once in the past 2 weeks.

One of the ways I've done this is to invoke the n+1 rule. My fleet now includes a proper commuter bike with a rack and it isn't so fancy I can't leave it locked up unattended somewhere. It's been game changing. My other ride is a fancy pants carbon road bike. Although I still prefer the road bike, it's got some serious drawbacks.

I even managed a 3 point trip earlier this week that I was initially nervous about. The trip was home to work, then work to sports practice, then practice to home. I was most concerned about the last leg because it's a bit further than my normal route home, it's later through a slightly sketchy area and I was worried about being too tired from practice to make it home in a reasonable amount of time. Turns out all my worries were unfounded, although I may still opt to drive once it gets really dark and wet this winter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 27, 2018, 10:19:42 AM
It is also fun to ride right up to driver side windows of cars that pull into the intersection and block my bike lane.  1400 lumens flashing 3' from your face is painful comeuppance.
I'm not sure what situation you're talking about here. If this is a driver who is waiting to turn right in the bike lane because there is no dedicated right hand turn lane, they are exhibiting correct behavior unless they cut off a cyclist when they entered the bike lane. If you're traveling straight, then pulling up along the left side of the vehicle is correct behavior, but I'd try to avoid annoying the driver with your light in this situation. If this is a driver who approached the intersection on a cross street from your right, they are likely exhibiting incorrect behavior. However, I can't picture a situation where pulling up close to their vehicle is the correct behavior for you unless you're executing a Copenhagen Left. If you're executing a Copenhagen Left, then the fact that they're blocking the bike lane forward does not interfere with your travel.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 10, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
Biked to work today for the first time during the week, and the first time from my new place. I am not in shape! Puny little hills wiped me out. And even though I'm not carrying my bag on my back anymore it was still heavier than ideal - I could tell I was towing a weight. Time to reconsider whether I can leave my laptop at one place or the other.

I have a front light, two rear lights (one on the bike, one on the rack), a helmet light, and two flashing arm/leg bands. Not all of the route has a bike lane but it is all in a pretty heavily biked area so all the cars gave me plenty of room, and I made sure to claim the lane when appropriate. So I was wheezing but I felt pretty safe.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 10, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
Biked to work today for the first time during the week, and the first time from my new place. I am not in shape! Puny little hills wiped me out. And even though I'm not carrying my bag on my back anymore it was still heavier than ideal - I could tell I was towing a weight. Time to reconsider whether I can leave my laptop at one place or the other.

Good for you! Can you leave any of your clothes or other things at work to lighten your load? I leave a pair of shoes, pair of jeans, my towel (I shower at the office) and shampoo. The towel and jeans come get switched out once/week. Doing this lightens my daily load considerably.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 10, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Leaving a pair of jeans here is an interesting idea!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 10, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
Biked to work today for the first time during the week, and the first time from my new place. I am not in shape! Puny little hills wiped me out. And even though I'm not carrying my bag on my back anymore it was still heavier than ideal - I could tell I was towing a weight. Time to reconsider whether I can leave my laptop at one place or the other.

Good for you! Can you leave any of your clothes or other things at work to lighten your load? I leave a pair of shoes, pair of jeans, my towel (I shower at the office) and shampoo. The towel and jeans come get switched out once/week. Doing this lightens my daily load considerably.

I do the same.  Although my towel/jeans get switched out more like once a month.  I keep shoes, soap, deodorant, and bike lock at work all the time.   :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 11, 2018, 04:03:49 AM
Just wanted to check in and say that I biked 46 km (28 miles) today, which I’m quite proud of, since I only started biking regularly in mid-August. It took me three hours (Shanghai city streets, a ton of traffic lights). My legs are a bit sore now. I must say, it’s a lot easier to bike without stopping than to have to start and stop multiple times. Those last few traffics lights were rather painful.

ETA: Today, at the crazy 14-lanes-of-traffic intersection, I watched a long distance bus (think Greyhound bus) collide into a scooter. The bus was making a left turn and the scooter was running the light. The traffic lights were out at the intersection and there were two police officers directing traffic. So yeah, better slow (and safe) than sorry.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on October 11, 2018, 06:34:22 AM
After almost three years of taking public transport to work, I'm back to being a bike commuter; the bike has been converted from a racing machine to a workhorse (aerobars removed, rear rack installed) and I've picked up panniers in lurid yellow for maximum visibility.

I'm beginning to feel like there might be something wrong with me reading this thread: in anything down to 60f, I ride in a short-sleeved jersey and skintight bib shorts. Below that, I'll add a light cycling jacket, and if it's approaching freezing I add skintight leggings and gloves. Part of it is vanity (I happen to think my legs look goddamn fantastic these days), part of it is being overenthusiastic (in skintight gear, I can save two or three minutes over ten miles), but mostly it's because I overheat and sweat profusely at the drop of a hat, so I wear as little as possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 11, 2018, 07:07:14 AM
Everyone has different thresholds for temperature, but comfy depends on a lot of factors.  How long do you need to be cycling?  If my ride is a half hour or less I can get away with wearing much less clothing.  Is it pouring rain?  I find that I don't need as much clothing in snow as I do in rain.  If it's still I can get away with much less clothing than if it's windy.  Are you likely to get stuck in stop and go traffic?  If so, it's hard to maintain enough intensity to keep warm . . . whereas if your route is mostly quick moving you can hammer away the whole time.

I used to wear much less cycling clothing than I do now for a commute . . . but I've been caught out several times now where the temperature dips well below what was forecast and I've got a freezing 45 minute ride home.  I'd rather overheat and pour sweat than lose feeling in my fingers/toes, sneeze, and freeze.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dvdvrhs on October 11, 2018, 07:56:48 AM
Rode today in a new personal low. 44°F or 6.6°C. Also had a 17 kph wind in my face. Any colder and I think I'll need different gear. Thanks to this thread for the inspiration!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on October 11, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
My commute is 16km - there are plenty of lights along the way, but I generally try to stay above 30kph when I'm moving. I'm lucky in that I live in a temperate country, so unpleasant weather surprises are extremely rare. We can go several years at a time without a snowfall that sticks.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on October 12, 2018, 07:12:19 PM
Did a short 4 mile track on a hilly gravel road tonight to get some tougher conditions in for eventual commute riding...  and the results were...

The bad: I'm fat and out of shape!   I realize there is 25 pounds more of me than my average weight a little over a year ago.  So this $hit has to change.    And my bike isn't exactly light and has some serious condition issues with crosschaining and the brakes.   The tires are also original (~10 years old now?).   Time for a tune up!

The good:  I did get to try out the new lights I put on the bike (great call GuitarStv) and made the biggest challenge hill by gearing down as suggested here.    This thread really helped so thanks from a bikin' newb'!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 13, 2018, 01:33:15 PM
I biked in a second time yesterday. It was easier without lugging the laptop, but I actually took more breaks. I figured if I'm going to keep this up as a habit I should enjoy it as much/hate it as little as possible, so I took a full hour catching my breath whenever necessary.* (I also ate too much for breakfast, I discovered, but that's easily remedied in the future.)

I haven't figured out how to transport items like my instrument (viola) or a yoga mat, so some days still require a carpool.

*EDIT: the whole trip took an hour with the breath-catching. I did not stop for an hour every time I got winded.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: secondchance on October 13, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
Just started biking to work again -- 5.5 mi each way, which is perfect for me (about 30-40 minutes).

I don't want to make a big fuss out of special bike gear, but I tend to wear out my jeans on the seat and they rip in the inside of the thigh. TAfraid I need to start packing my outfit :(
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Penn42 on October 13, 2018, 02:35:58 PM
Right now it's down to about 40 degrees F in the mornings.  I wear my work clothes (boots, double knee Carharts, work sweatshirt) to ride in.  Cutoff for gloves is about 45 degrees.  At 35 degrees I'll add a layer between my shirt and sweatshirt and add a scarf.  Down in the 20's I'll ad long john's under the pants.  My rain gear is the very light variety and it and my lunch I carry on my back (no pannier). 

I ride a Trek hybrid that needs a new bottom bracket and brake pads, but I've been lazy and am putting them off haha.

Current commute is 2.8 miles and is wholly on a paved riverside bike path.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 13, 2018, 07:23:25 PM
Right now it's down to about 40 degrees F in the mornings.  I wear my work clothes (boots, double knee Carharts, work sweatshirt) to ride in.  Cutoff for gloves is about 45 degrees.  At 35 degrees I'll add a layer between my shirt and sweatshirt and add a scarf.  Down in the 20's I'll ad long john's under the pants.  My rain gear is the very light variety and it and my lunch I carry on my back (no pannier). 

I ride a Trek hybrid that needs a new bottom bracket and brake pads, but I've been lazy and am putting them off haha.

Current commute is 2.8 miles and is wholly on a paved riverside bike path.

You can get away cycling with a shot bottom bracket for quite a while (it just makes it a bit harder to go where you want), but don't neglect your brake pads!  They're four pieces of soft material that are all that stand between you and not stopping.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 16, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
I'm not sure what it was, but my third bike to work today was enormously easier than either of the first two. Small slopes that were wiping me out just a few days ago were a breeze today. So this is your motivation to give it another go, if your commute seemed overwhelming last time you tried it!

I've lightened my load since my first trip, which helped, but it wasn't any lighter than my second attempt, so that doesn't fully explain the difference. I think it was some combination of being better rested (last week I was still recovering from a tough move) and getting the hang of my gears again, and knowing the best way to do so on this particular route. Today I only got passed by cyclists who were clearly working harder than I was, as opposed to the first time when those 1-speed rentals were whizzing past like I was on an invisible hill they didn't have to worry about. And I've optimized the route home so that more of it is through campus - can't go as fast, but feels more comfortable.

I did get my bike light stolen yesterday, though. $20 lesson not to leave it on my handlebars.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 16, 2018, 11:46:16 AM
I'm not sure what it was, but my third bike to work today was enormously easier than either of the first two. Small slopes that were wiping me out just a few days ago were a breeze today. So this is your motivation to give it another go, if your commute seemed overwhelming last time you tried it!

I've lightened my load since my first trip, which helped, but it wasn't any lighter than my second attempt, so that doesn't fully explain the difference. I think it was some combination of being better rested (last week I was still recovering from a tough move) and getting the hang of my gears again, and knowing the best way to do so on this particular route. Today I only got passed by cyclists who were clearly working harder than I was, as opposed to the first time when those 1-speed rentals were whizzing past like I was on an invisible hill they didn't have to worry about. And I've optimized the route home so that more of it is through campus - can't go as fast, but feels more comfortable.

I did get my bike light stolen yesterday, though. $20 lesson not to leave it on my handlebars.

Tailwind.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 16, 2018, 12:04:16 PM
I'm not sure what it was, but my third bike to work today was enormously easier than either of the first two. Small slopes that were wiping me out just a few days ago were a breeze today. So this is your motivation to give it another go, if your commute seemed overwhelming last time you tried it!

I've lightened my load since my first trip, which helped, but it wasn't any lighter than my second attempt, so that doesn't fully explain the difference. I think it was some combination of being better rested (last week I was still recovering from a tough move) and getting the hang of my gears again, and knowing the best way to do so on this particular route. Today I only got passed by cyclists who were clearly working harder than I was, as opposed to the first time when those 1-speed rentals were whizzing past like I was on an invisible hill they didn't have to worry about. And I've optimized the route home so that more of it is through campus - can't go as fast, but feels more comfortable.

I did get my bike light stolen yesterday, though. $20 lesson not to leave it on my handlebars.

Tailwind.  :P

Probably the bolded part had the biggest effect. Learning which gear to use and when is a skill. The good news is once you have the skill it doesn't go away. So, if you give up biking at some point and then pick it back up again, you'll still be faster than you were the first time you started biking.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 16, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
Learning which gear to use and when is a skill. The good news is once you have the skill it doesn't go away. So, if you give up biking at some point and then pick it back up again, you'll still be faster than you were the first time you started biking.

Well that hasn't been my experience... I was doing okay with my gears when I was biking a bit more 6 months ago. ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 16, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
Occasionally I hit a perfect tailwind while going somewhere and it's incredible.  You feel light, powerful, and like an unstoppable force.  Then you go waaaaayyy too far and end up paying for it on the return trip.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 16, 2018, 12:28:51 PM
Tailwind would be an annoying explanation. I was hoping this was a permanent change. :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2018, 01:24:25 PM
Hi there! Can I join? I just switched jobs to one that is slightly closer. This new employer is lending me an ebike for the next six months with the caveat that I bike to work for at least 60% of my commutes. This is the start of week 2. The first week I biked 4 of 5 days. Today is Tuesday and the second day this week I have bikes so far.

My commute is about 9-10 miles each way. Technically someone other than me (stranger, more for, more time) would do this on a normal bike. The ebike was just that extra boost I needed to make the commute achievable with a bike for me. So far it is a ton of fun!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 18, 2018, 05:01:59 AM
Welcome, ysette9! I love my ebike. I would never be able to carry myself and DD on the 10 mile round trip journey to and from school, and then pedal myself an additional 10 miles to work were it not for pedal assist.

I’ve also just recently realized that I love having the speedometer on my bike. It’s fun seeing that I’m averaging a faster speed each week, and that I’m using less power to do so. I also like the odometer. My goal this year is to get to 1000km. I’m already over 800km. I know that is not much for some of the more avid cyclists, but I’m a newbie who only got my ebike last year, so this is a big deal for me.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Hopper on October 18, 2018, 07:32:18 AM
Love this thread for motivation! Not a newbie, but not as consistent as I want to be.  Now that the cold air is settling in, I need to keep motivated to get out there before 6am.  Its hard to get going, but feels great when I get in.   

Switched to an electric bike this summer.  What a change.  I am definitely not as hard core as you folks completely under your own power, but I make my 10 mile commute each way and get to my office by 6:30am- I love the fact that I can do it without feeling wiped out at the end of the day.   My pedal assist is like having a tailwind on demand!  I am so spoiled.  With the extra help, and not trying to go crazy fast, my commute is about 42-44 minutes in to work, and 50 minutes home (more uphills/more traffic).  My e-bike was a costco buy.  I worked out the numbers when I bought it in May so that 130 days of riding to work will pay it off vs the parking near my downtown building - When I drive, its a nissan leaf, so didn't factor in gas and for simplicity, didn't bother with wear and tear comparisons.  So far, I have 92 more bike commuting days to break even.  :)

I hope to see more posts from others to give myself the needed kick-in-the-tailwind-region this winter and stay on my bike. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 18, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
How much were your ebikes, if you don’t mind sharing? I haven’t priced any out yet as I still have 5 months to use this one. This one is really nice and apparently costs something like $4k. I find myself debating about the cost, and whether I can justify it for taking me off the road four days a week. But then again if I frame it as my mental and physical health, perhaps the numbers don’t have to add up? I do feel so wonderful on days I bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 18, 2018, 09:58:43 AM
My commute's getting easier each day! At this point I'm clumsier about actually getting together everything I need than I am about the biking process. Yesterday it took me nearly as long to get out the door - kept having to go back for something I forgot - as it did to actually get to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 18, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
My commute's getting easier each day! At this point I'm clumsier about actually getting together everything I need than I am about the biking process. Yesterday it took me nearly as long to get out the door - kept having to go back for something I forgot - as it did to actually get to work.
I agree that I am still clumsy about all of that also. I feel part of it is that I am adding gear over the first day I rode. Bike shorts (“butt shorts” as they are called in my household), bike gloves, wind breaker, little ear cover muff things to keep my ears warm in the morning. I am now looking into buying a sun visor to strap onto my helmet for the afternoon. I am going to look like such a fruitcake.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 18, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
My commute's getting easier each day! At this point I'm clumsier about actually getting together everything I need than I am about the biking process. Yesterday it took me nearly as long to get out the door - kept having to go back for something I forgot - as it did to actually get to work.

Pack everything in your bag the night before.  Inflate your tires, put your lights and bottle* on your bike.  Then in the morning you just grab your bag and go.

* Don't do this when the temperature dips below frreezing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 18, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
I've already had a bike light stolen - I won't be putting that on the night before! My bike is in the garage 3 stories below my apartment. There's a lock on the bike room, but anyone from my complex could get access to it. (The bike is, of course, locked to a rack inside the locked room.)

I think more likely I can pack my bag the night before including with my light, water bottle, bungee net, and keys in it. Then rummage around in the morning to put them all in the right places on the bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 18, 2018, 01:16:54 PM
I've already had a bike light stolen - I won't be putting that on the night before! My bike is in the garage 3 stories below my apartment. There's a lock on the bike room, but anyone from my complex could get access to it. (The bike is, of course, locked to a rack inside the locked room.)

I think more likely I can pack my bag the night before including with my light, water bottle, bungee net, and keys in it. Then rummage around in the morning to put them all in the right places on the bike.

Yeah, I was thinking more like in my garage.  Never leave stuff in a publicly accessible area.  Be very careful to lock your bike so that the wheels on QR skewers or QR seat posts can't be removed and stolen as well  . . . replacing a rear wheel is painfully expensive.

Just make a habit of leaving all your bike crap in the same location (ideally near the door) in your apartment then.  Same location is super important because it develops into a habit that you don't even have to think about.  When you're missing something it will scream out at you (front light is not to the left of my helmet!) after a while of doing this.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 18, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
How much were your ebikes, if you don’t mind sharing? I haven’t priced any out yet as I still have 5 months to use this one. This one is really nice and apparently costs something like $4k. I find myself debating about the cost, and whether I can justify it for taking me off the road four days a week. But then again if I frame it as my mental and physical health, perhaps the numbers don’t have to add up? I do feel so wonderful on days I bike.

My prices won’t apply to you, since I’m in China. I paid about $350 for my basic Chinese ebike. They do sell the exact same bike in the US for around $1000. The global (non-Chinese) website is https://www.uma.com/en (https://www.uma.com/en)

ETA: The English website is translated quite poorly. If in the off chance you can read Chinese, the site is https://www.uma.com (https://www.uma.com).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on October 18, 2018, 10:30:54 PM
Just started week 2 of my first regular bike commute. It's a 5-mile commute with some great bike lanes on roads that aren't too scary. I'm on a hand-me-down bike, but I managed to adjust the rear derailleur so that I can get all 7 of the rear gears working. (Of course the chain fell off my front gears today, so that may be a fix for tomorrow.)

But new achievements every day. Yesterday I discovered that it hurts a lot less if I sit further back on my seat. Today I hit 16.5mph on a straightaway. A few days ago I started to feel stable enough that I'm not gripping the handlebars in terror for the whole ride. So far so good.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 18, 2018, 11:13:18 PM
Just started week 2 of my first regular bike commute. It's a 5-mile commute with some great bike lanes on roads that aren't too scary. I'm on a hand-me-down bike, but I managed to adjust the rear derailleur so that I can get all 7 of the rear gears working. (Of course the chain fell off my front gears today, so that may be a fix for tomorrow.)

But new achievements every day. Yesterday I discovered that it hurts a lot less if I sit further back on my seat. Today I hit 16.5mph on a straightaway. A few days ago I started to feel stable enough that I'm not gripping the handlebars in terror for the whole ride. So far so good.
Awesome!

https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on October 19, 2018, 05:54:38 AM
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

I suspect that I'm having a couple of problems, which I'm slowly figuring out (much thanks to this thread, in fact.) The first was some chafing. I've started wearing bike shorts as underwear and that seems to help. The other problem is perineum soreness, and I think it's that I'm sitting too far forward on the saddle. When I push myself backwards, onto my buttocks, I'm much more comfortable. I'll likely try making some saddle adjustments over the weekend to see if I can push myself into a better position.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 19, 2018, 07:06:05 AM
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

I suspect that I'm having a couple of problems, which I'm slowly figuring out (much thanks to this thread, in fact.) The first was some chafing. I've started wearing bike shorts as underwear and that seems to help. The other problem is perineum soreness, and I think it's that I'm sitting too far forward on the saddle. When I push myself backwards, onto my buttocks, I'm much more comfortable. I'll likely try making some saddle adjustments over the weekend to see if I can push myself into a better position.

If you find yourself sliding forward in the saddle, it's possible that you've got your saddle tilted with the nose slightly down.  Try to level it out a bit and see if that improves things.  It's also possible that your saddle is set a bit too far back on the rails (or that your stem is too long) if you find that you naturally feel like you want to sit at the nose all the time.  Try moving the saddle forward a few millimeters or putting on a shorter stem if this is the case.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on October 19, 2018, 08:46:11 AM
After a few setbacks, I finally got the bike out again yesterday to run errands.  My rear light had broken and I wasn't comfortable riding without a light on my roads, but I finally ordered a new one.  I should be able to set up a crate on the rack, as well, which will hopefully be more comfortable than riding with a backpack.  I've also figured out that part of why it feels like it takes just as long to bike as to walk, is actually just getting the bike outside - we don't have a bike rack at our apartment building, which means I have to keep it in the storage locker in the basement.  Every time I want to bike, I have to go down, unlock the storage area, unlock our locker, pull the bike out, relock everything, haul it up a flight of stairs and out the door, and then I can finally walk it to the curb and get on.  Then the whole thing in reverse when I get back - open the main door with my keyfob, hold the door from closing while lifting the bike over the step/threshold, carry it down the stairs, etc.  It's a massive pain in the ass, but I don't think I have any better option right now.  I'll just have to push through the annoyance until we move next year.

In other news, riding in the cold sucks!  I need to get some gloves, and possibly grab a scarf to keep my neck warmer next time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 19, 2018, 08:49:21 AM
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

I suspect that I'm having a couple of problems, which I'm slowly figuring out (much thanks to this thread, in fact.) The first was some chafing. I've started wearing bike shorts as underwear and that seems to help. The other problem is perineum soreness, and I think it's that I'm sitting too far forward on the saddle. When I push myself backwards, onto my buttocks, I'm much more comfortable. I'll likely try making some saddle adjustments over the weekend to see if I can push myself into a better position.
Not to delve too deeply into sensitive topics, but I want to ask about not wearing underwear with bike shorts. A friend of mine strongly discouraged me from wearing underwear and alluded to all sorts of disastrous consequences if I did. I only have one pair right now and don’t do laundry every day, so I’ve been wearing underwear. Is that going to lead to gangrene and losing important bits of my body or something equally catastrophic?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 19, 2018, 09:07:41 AM
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

I suspect that I'm having a couple of problems, which I'm slowly figuring out (much thanks to this thread, in fact.) The first was some chafing. I've started wearing bike shorts as underwear and that seems to help. The other problem is perineum soreness, and I think it's that I'm sitting too far forward on the saddle. When I push myself backwards, onto my buttocks, I'm much more comfortable. I'll likely try making some saddle adjustments over the weekend to see if I can push myself into a better position.
Not to delve too deeply into sensitive topics, but I want to ask about not wearing underwear with bike shorts. A friend of mine strongly discouraged me from wearing underwear and alluded to all sorts of disastrous consequences if I did. I only have one pair right now and don’t do laundry every day, so I’ve been wearing underwear. Is that going to lead to gangrene and losing important bits of my body or something equally catastrophic?

Underwear has seams in areas where you tend to put pressure on your saddle.  You're more likely to get chafing and sore spots wearing underwear under bike shorts, and the underwear prevents the bike shorts from wicking sweat away from your ass.  Chafing can lead to skin infections (and the dreaded saddle sores) so it's generally recommended not to wear underwear under bike shorts.  Wearing bike shorts multiple times in a row can also lead to infections (and the dreaded saddle sores), so it's not recommended as well.

You might get away with either while going short distances in cooler weather (especially if you're having a shower immediately after your rides), but probably best to get a couple more pairs of shorts (fall is a good time to pick up discounted stuff on sale) so you don't have to worry about this as much.  It sucks to have to stop using your bike because you've got an oozing sore spot on your arse.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 19, 2018, 09:08:57 AM
After a few setbacks, I finally got the bike out again yesterday to run errands.  My rear light had broken and I wasn't comfortable riding without a light on my roads, but I finally ordered a new one.  I should be able to set up a crate on the rack, as well, which will hopefully be more comfortable than riding with a backpack.  I've also figured out that part of why it feels like it takes just as long to bike as to walk, is actually just getting the bike outside - we don't have a bike rack at our apartment building, which means I have to keep it in the storage locker in the basement.  Every time I want to bike, I have to go down, unlock the storage area, unlock our locker, pull the bike out, relock everything, haul it up a flight of stairs and out the door, and then I can finally walk it to the curb and get on.  Then the whole thing in reverse when I get back - open the main door with my keyfob, hold the door from closing while lifting the bike over the step/threshold, carry it down the stairs, etc.  It's a massive pain in the ass, but I don't think I have any better option right now.  I'll just have to push through the annoyance until we move next year.

In other news, riding in the cold sucks!  I need to get some gloves, and possibly grab a scarf to keep my neck warmer next time.
How cold is “cold” for you? I am a total wimp in that department.
I got these little ear cover thingies to protect my ears from the cold without having something that went over that head and interferes with my helmet. That has made the morning ride more pleasant.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 19, 2018, 10:11:58 AM
@slipsop @ysette9 @GuitarStv I heard cotton was the enemy. Ever since switching to these undies I've been feelin' fine: https://www.target.com/p/men-s-power-cool-long-leg-boxer-briefs-2pk-2-free-pairs-c9-champion-174/-/A-53786634

Target regularly has 25% off deals on Champion brand stuff.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 19, 2018, 10:31:16 AM
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/ has a buttload of tutorials for fixing everything on any bike(like tuning a front derailleur).

Where does it hurt? Finding the right saddle can take time. Local bike shops will sometimes measure your sit bone width to help you find the right seat.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

I suspect that I'm having a couple of problems, which I'm slowly figuring out (much thanks to this thread, in fact.) The first was some chafing. I've started wearing bike shorts as underwear and that seems to help. The other problem is perineum soreness, and I think it's that I'm sitting too far forward on the saddle. When I push myself backwards, onto my buttocks, I'm much more comfortable. I'll likely try making some saddle adjustments over the weekend to see if I can push myself into a better position.
Not to delve too deeply into sensitive topics, but I want to ask about not wearing underwear with bike shorts. A friend of mine strongly discouraged me from wearing underwear and alluded to all sorts of disastrous consequences if I did. I only have one pair right now and don’t do laundry every day, so I’ve been wearing underwear. Is that going to lead to gangrene and losing important bits of my body or something equally catastrophic?

Underwear has seams in areas where you tend to put pressure on your saddle.  You're more likely to get chafing and sore spots wearing underwear under bike shorts, and the underwear prevents the bike shorts from wicking sweat away from your ass.  Chafing can lead to skin infections (and the dreaded saddle sores) so it's generally recommended not to wear underwear under bike shorts.  Wearing bike shorts multiple times in a row can also lead to infections (and the dreaded saddle sores), so it's not recommended as well.

You might get away with either while going short distances in cooler weather (especially if you're having a shower immediately after your rides), but probably best to get a couple more pairs of shorts (fall is a good time to pick up discounted stuff on sale) so you don't have to worry about this as much.  It sucks to have to stop using your bike because you've got an oozing sore spot on your arse.  :P

If you're not going too far, or getting too sweaty, it may be fine. However, if you're female, you can also add recurrent yeast infections to the list of risks. It's a bigger problem in summer, so you may get away with it for the next few months.

Ditto the advice to just buy more bike shorts. The good news is that they take forever to wear out, especially if you keep them out of the dryer, so whatever you buy will last.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on October 19, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
After a few setbacks, I finally got the bike out again yesterday to run errands.  My rear light had broken and I wasn't comfortable riding without a light on my roads, but I finally ordered a new one.  I should be able to set up a crate on the rack, as well, which will hopefully be more comfortable than riding with a backpack.  I've also figured out that part of why it feels like it takes just as long to bike as to walk, is actually just getting the bike outside - we don't have a bike rack at our apartment building, which means I have to keep it in the storage locker in the basement.  Every time I want to bike, I have to go down, unlock the storage area, unlock our locker, pull the bike out, relock everything, haul it up a flight of stairs and out the door, and then I can finally walk it to the curb and get on.  Then the whole thing in reverse when I get back - open the main door with my keyfob, hold the door from closing while lifting the bike over the step/threshold, carry it down the stairs, etc.  It's a massive pain in the ass, but I don't think I have any better option right now.  I'll just have to push through the annoyance until we move next year.

In other news, riding in the cold sucks!  I need to get some gloves, and possibly grab a scarf to keep my neck warmer next time.
How cold is “cold” for you? I am a total wimp in that department.
I got these little ear cover thingies to protect my ears from the cold without having something that went over that head and interferes with my helmet. That has made the morning ride more pleasant.

It's not that cold, I'm just a wimp about it.  It's certainly going to get a lot worse this winter.  I hate being cold!  And the wind really cuts through you when you're moving fast.  I'll have to look into ear warmers for when winter really sets in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 21, 2018, 10:20:54 AM
This thing is great: https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/en/ear-band/p/2435580001007
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 21, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
I started biking to work in late June, and also ramped up my biking for errands.  The first week of July, I needed to gas up my car, formerly my daily driver for a couple of dentist appointments that I couldn't quite find a safe biking route to.  I spent $10, which doesn't get you much gas in California. 

Yesterday, I finally needed more gas for a trip to the warehouse club, 3.5 months later.  Can't complain too much about 10 bucks getting me through more than a quarter of the year. 

We do have a family car that sees regular use, including my DW driving to work every day.  If I can keep this up on my car, we'll have to look seriously into whether we can get rid of it.  There have been a few times where the second car has been convenient, such as when DW's car battery completely died, but is that worth $600/year in insurance/registration, plus maintenance (and gas, I suppose)? 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 21, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
I ordered a sun visor to attach to my helmet and a pair of padded bike pants. If they work well I’ll get another pair so I can have two pants and a short in rotation, and hopefully be able to wash them frequently enough. You peeps have scared me into ditching the knickers while riding. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 22, 2018, 07:18:52 AM
I ordered a sun visor to attach to my helmet and a pair of padded bike pants. If they work well I’ll get another pair so I can have two pants and a short in rotation, and hopefully be able to wash them frequently enough. You peeps have scared me into ditching the knickers while riding. :)

You might get better use out of a cycling cap rather than a sun visor.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 22, 2018, 08:38:10 AM
I ordered a sun visor to attach to my helmet and a pair of padded bike pants. If they work well I’ll get another pair so I can have two pants and a short in rotation, and hopefully be able to wash them frequently enough. You peeps have scared me into ditching the knickers while riding. :)

You might get better use out of a cycling cap rather than a sun visor.

Are sun visors and cycling caps better than simply wearing sunglasses?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on October 22, 2018, 08:47:10 AM
This spring, I will be moving to a place that seems like it would be very bike friendly. (DC metro area) Husband and I are even in conversations about finally making the jump to one car.  (I'm askeered!) 

I own a bike.  It weighs approximately a zillion pounds and is too tall for me.  My feet either barely touch the ground, making it very difficult to get started (especially because it weighs so much!) or if I lower the seat more, then my knees are in my chest as a pedal.  In other words, I need a new bike.

If I walk in to a bike shop and explain what I want the bike for (local errands of probably 5 miles max, and most likely much less than than), knowing very little about bikes, will they be able to help me with everything I know.  I have significant social anxiety and one of my worst triggers is situations with strangers where I feel stupid and clueless, so while this may seem like a stupid question, I need to feel prepared.  So maybe I'm just looking for some reassurance that this isn't an unusual situation and the bike store folks won't bat an eye and will be able to help me. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on October 22, 2018, 09:13:17 AM
If I walk in to a bike shop and explain what I want the bike for (local errands of probably 5 miles max, and most likely much less than than), knowing very little about bikes, will they be able to help me with everything I know. 

That should be no problem for most any bike shop, but be prepared to visit a couple. Some shops cater more to different groups such as the racing roadie or dude bro mountain biker.  Ask the guys at the shop if any of them ride to work and what they ride...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 22, 2018, 09:53:31 AM
I ordered a sun visor to attach to my helmet and a pair of padded bike pants. If they work well I’ll get another pair so I can have two pants and a short in rotation, and hopefully be able to wash them frequently enough. You peeps have scared me into ditching the knickers while riding. :)

You might get better use out of a cycling cap rather than a sun visor.

Are sun visors and cycling caps better than simply wearing sunglasses?

Sometimes (especially in the morning) just blocking sun at a particular angle is much more effective than wearing sunglasses.  A cycling cap can work as a sweatband on hot days as well (although if you sweat a lot it will only work for a limited time, and they do tend to keep your head a bit warmer . . . so YMMV).  Generally I'd much prefer sunglasses if the problem is the sun and it's a hot day.  Choosing between a visor and a cap, I'd go cap every time though.

Cycling caps rock for riding in the rain as they tend to keep the worst of the road spray off your glasses (and tend to keep your head warmer).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 22, 2018, 10:18:01 AM
The problem is that the sun is at an angle so it manages to sneak around the side edge of my sunglasses. I end up tilting my head to the side in an attempt to block the sun with my helmet, leading to a crick in my neck.

I did end up ordering an attach-on visor thingie that is made for racing, so it should be able to handle the wind of my ebike speed. :) I am prepared for it looking ridiculously dorky, but it will just fit in with the bike (butt) shorts and gloves and everything else. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 22, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
If I walk in to a bike shop and explain what I want the bike for (local errands of probably 5 miles max, and most likely much less than than), knowing very little about bikes, will they be able to help me with everything I know. 

That should be no problem for most any bike shop, but be prepared to visit a couple. Some shops cater more to different groups such as the racing roadie or dude bro mountain biker.  Ask the guys at the shop if any of them ride to work and what they ride...

You should be just fine in nearly any bike shop. Getting new people to ride is fantastic for their business (new customers!) so they should be very accommodating. Wear comfy clothes and if you already have a helmet, bring it. You'll want to test ride a few different bikes on the streets nearby.

Ask the staff where it's safe to ride nearby and make sure you test the bikes on terrain that's similar to where you plan to ride (aka hills, traffic, gravel, whatever). When you find a bike that you just want to keep riding and don't want to take back to the shop then you've found the right one :-)

If there's some specific thing about the bike you don't like (seat, tires, handlebars, etc) ask if it can be changed if you buy the bike. I've done this with all the bikes I've bought. Seat changes are so common, most shops have a bin of extra seats somewhere they use to swap onto new bikes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 22, 2018, 04:25:22 PM
I ordered a sun visor to attach to my helmet and a pair of padded bike pants. If they work well I’ll get another pair so I can have two pants and a short in rotation, and hopefully be able to wash them frequently enough. You peeps have scared me into ditching the knickers while riding. :)

You might get better use out of a cycling cap rather than a sun visor.

Are sun visors and cycling caps better than simply wearing sunglasses?

Sometimes (especially in the morning) just blocking sun at a particular angle is much more effective than wearing sunglasses.  A cycling cap can work as a sweatband on hot days as well (although if you sweat a lot it will only work for a limited time, and they do tend to keep your head a bit warmer . . . so YMMV).  Generally I'd much prefer sunglasses if the problem is the sun and it's a hot day.  Choosing between a visor and a cap, I'd go cap every time though.

Cycling caps rock for riding in the rain as they tend to keep the worst of the road spray off your glasses (and tend to keep your head warmer).
The problem is that the sun is at an angle so it manages to sneak around the side edge of my sunglasses. I end up tilting my head to the side in an attempt to block the sun with my helmet, leading to a crick in my neck.

I did end up ordering an attach-on visor thingie that is made for racing, so it should be able to handle the wind of my ebike speed. :) I am prepared for it looking ridiculously dorky, but it will just fit in with the bike (butt) shorts and gloves and everything else. :)

Gotcha. Thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: moof on October 22, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
Cold weather Pro-Tips:
1)  Bar Mitts (aka Pogies)!  About $50 a pair (ouch), but you get neoprene over-mitts to hide your hands in.  Available for both flat-bar (mountain bike style) and drop-bar road bike style.  Cold hands suck.  These things are good for both cold and/or wet conditions.  Mine take about 2 minutes to put on the bike, so in shoulder seasons like now I'll take them off if the next few days look nice, or leave them one for months at a shot once the Oregon dreariness sets in for good.

2)  Dry-bag for your work clothes.  A $10-15 investment gets you a decent 10-15 liter dry bag for your work clothes.  Grocery bags are cheaper, but leak and get holes easily.  Waterproof panniers are even nicer, but also very pricey.  If you have cheap panniers, or just use a day pack, a dry bag will be plenty to protect your phone/wallet/clothes/etc just fine.  You may have one already in your backpacking gear if you are into that sort of thing.

3)  Gloves dryer.  I hang my gloves on the back edge of my tower PC at work, and the warm air drys them in no time.

4)  Store spare rain gear at work.  My worn out rain jacket/pants live at work.  Sometimes the weather is fine in the morning and I forget to take the "good stuff", so it is nice to have a set of functional beater gear in my cube to get home dry'ish in.

5)  Stage your bike gear the night before!  I am brain dead in the morning (especially when getting up pre-dawn), so I put my bike clothes in the bathroom, pack my pannier with work clothes+wallet+etc, and put my bike shoes+helmet+gloves+vest together next to the breakfast table.  In the morning I stumble to the bathroom, emerging dressed, feed the kid, and don the rest as I walk out the door to take the kid to the bus stop.  Half the time about a mile into the ride as blood/calories finally reach my brain I go through a slight panic about fearing I forgot something, usually it is nothing worse than forgetting to grab something for lunch.

6)  Stage lunches and spare clothes!  A couple frozen pucks from Trader Joe's (or wherever) can bail you out if you forgot to grab your lunch from the fridge on your way out the door.  Not as good as home cooking, but still better than eating out.  A spare set of work clothes bail you out if you forgot to pack something, or if your cheap plastic grocery bag let things get soaked.  Spare workout clothes are nice to get a run in at lunch, or to get home in if your morning cycling clothes got soaked and failed to dry out.  Keep a $20 in your desk in case you manage to forget both your wallet and already ate your backup frozen pucks.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 22, 2018, 09:28:48 PM
You’ve got me curious: what is a frozen puck?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: moof on October 23, 2018, 08:20:41 AM
You’ve got me curious: what is a frozen puck?
$3-4 frozen meal in a black tray.  They remind me of a hockey puck, and taste marginally better.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 23, 2018, 04:22:48 PM
Occasionally I hit a perfect tailwind while going somewhere and it's incredible.  You feel light, powerful, and like an unstoppable force.  Then you go waaaaayyy too far and end up paying for it on the return trip.  :P
The best tailwinds I've experienced have been occasional summertime rides home. Unfortunately the wind rarely shifted before the morning ride, so a headwind battle to work AND the wind direction was not right for bringing cooler air at night, so hotter than average ride home the next day. In winter, wind from that direction is usually accompanied by wet weather that has me seeking rides on the bus instead of riding my bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 23, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
Occasionally I hit a perfect tailwind while going somewhere and it's incredible.  You feel light, powerful, and like an unstoppable force.  Then you go waaaaayyy too far and end up paying for it on the return trip.  :P
The best tailwinds I've experienced have been occasional summertime rides home. Unfortunately the wind rarely shifted before the morning ride, so a headwind battle to work AND the wind direction was not right for bringing cooler air at night, so hotter than average ride home the next day. In winter, wind from that direction is usually accompanied by wet weather that has me seeking rides on the bus instead of riding my bike.

We get a lot of the leftover weather from hurricanes and tropical storms that hit Florida, which just means some rain, lightning and wind.  The best I've cycled with was a 50 kph tailwind with gusts to 65.  You can just put your feet up and the bike will start moving in that weather.  I'm close to 200 lbs and generally have no issues controlling the bike, but at those speeds the crosswind is quite challenging to deal with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 24, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
Just had to share this photo from my ride yesterday.

I'd just like to point out the 1) red light, 2) massive thoroughfare during rush hour; you can't really tell but there are 8 lanes of traffic -- all those cars had the right of way as it was a green left turn light, 3) the fact that the old guy thought his motorized scooter could take on all of the cars. And it's not even like he had to wait that long. There was literally only THREE SECONDS left before the light changed to green.

Last week, I watched a coach bus (the Greyhound-type bus) hit a guy on a scooter. The scooter guy was wrong because he ran a red light going the wrong way in traffic right into the path of the left-turning bus.

On Tuesday, I saw the aftermath of a taxi who had hit a guy on the bike. The guy was in the bike lane crossing an intersection (he had the right of way); the taxi was turning right and apparently did not look before making the right turn. Cars often don't look or signal before turning or changing lanes.

This is what I put up with Every. Single. Day. I still like biking though because it's the fastest way to get where I need to go, and as long as you bike slowly and stay alert, you're generally okay. But all of you who talk about biking to work along a nature trail or whatnot are blessed beyond belief.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on October 24, 2018, 09:04:39 PM
Keep up the good work Freedomin5!

On my quest, the old bike has been upgraded!   New derailleur to fix the slipping gears, brakes, tires, a rear rack that will hold panniers if I get really motivated about this and a kick-ass USB-rechargeable headlight (thanks GuitarStv) plus a new MIPS helmet.   Promised myself this would have to do until I drop 20 lbs and get my fitness level up to where it needs to be...   Last bit is the cold weather bar mitts.   Then my reward will be a new ride in 6 months or so after I see how the bike (and my motivation) hold up through the winter months.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: JanetJackson on October 25, 2018, 07:10:51 AM
Just had to share this photo from my ride yesterday.

I'd just like to point out the 1) red light, 2) massive thoroughfare during rush hour; you can't really tell but there are 8 lanes of traffic -- all those cars had the right of way as it was a green left turn light, 3) the fact that the old guy thought his motorized scooter could take on all of the cars. And it's not even like he had to wait that long. There was literally only THREE SECONDS left before the light changed to green.

Last week, I watched a coach bus (the Greyhound-type bus) hit a guy on a scooter. The scooter guy was wrong because he ran a red light going the wrong way in traffic right into the path of the left-turning bus.

On Tuesday, I saw the aftermath of a taxi who had hit a guy on the bike. The guy was in the bike lane crossing an intersection (he had the right of way); the taxi was turning right and apparently did not look before making the right turn. Cars often don't look or signal before turning or changing lanes.

This is what I put up with Every. Single. Day. I still like biking though because it's the fastest way to get where I need to go, and as long as you bike slowly and stay alert, you're generally okay. But all of you who talk about biking to work along a nature trail or whatnot are blessed beyond belief.

Wow Wow WOW.
There's a dude who rides his motorized wheelchair/scooter directly along the center line of the busy road that I car commute home on.  He just powers ahead with a really obstinate look on his face and I guess so far hasn't been hit.  People do honk a lot though, because there's no berm and we pass maaaaybe a foot away from him.
My cycling endeavors have been nonexistent lately, as it's getting cold and I am a weak small baby who hates the cold weather more than almost anything.  I'd rather be punched directly in the face than walk outside for more than 30 minutes when it's snowing... that's how awful a person I am.
Working on being a better human.  Maybe I'll get to 31 minutes this winter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 25, 2018, 07:33:53 AM
I've seen old people on motorized scooters driving down the middle of the road, and driving up the wrong way lane of road right next to an empty sidewalk.  I've never really understood the reasoning . . . originally thought that maybe they couldn't get up onto the sidewalk because of a lip or something, but I've seen them on occasion drive by 5-6 driveway entrances that are perfectly accessible.  ???

There are several types of vehicles that I've developed special rules for when cycling in Toronto:
Taxis:  They will close pass you, drive in bike lanes, cut you off, go through an intersection when it's not their right of way, switch back and forth between lanes unpredictably, run reds.
City Buses:  City buses stop often, but around here at least it's very rare for them to signal when they're going to pull away from the curb and start back up again, and they often don't use their mirrors.  (They also run red lights a surprising amount.)  I try to give a wide berth when passing a stopped city bus.
Big Transport Trucks:  This is mostly a visibility thing . . . I'm very careful never to go into blind spots or pass on the right.  Generally I'd say that transports are more predictable than regular traffic, but that can lull you into a false sense of security.
Luxury cars: Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla . . . I've found that these cars are more likely to close pass than generic cheaper brand cars.  For such expensive cars you would think that they would come with turn signals as standard equipment, but judging by the amount of signalling I see from them, this is not the case.
Shiny New Looking Pickup Trucks:  I get a lot of aggressive driving in general from people in these vehicles.  Revving engines, close passes, screeching tires, slamming on brakes.  Behavior seems to be worse outside of the city when you're cycling in the middle of nowhere, they're much less of a problem in busy traffic.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 25, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
On Tuesday, I saw the aftermath of a taxi who had hit a guy on the bike. The guy was in the bike lane crossing an intersection (he had the right of way); the taxi was turning right and apparently did not look before making the right turn. Cars often don't look or signal before turning or changing lanes.
The right hook (or left hook in lands where drivers sit on the right side of the car instead of driving the car on the right side of the road) is the most common problem for cyclists. Most motorists are at least a little aware that a cycle might be coming if there is a marked cycle lane making them slightly more likely to look and/or signal. One intersection I frequent has a bit of a jog to the right on the street I ride on, so from one direction the lanes turn about 45 degrees to the right just before the intersection. I'm in the habit of always signalling my slight left to continue on the street as so many motorists turning right fail to signal or look at that point. The timing of the lights and traffic mean I'm almost always passing cars that had been waiting at a red as I approach the intersection. I'm sure more than a few motorists who failed to signal their right turn have been a bit miffed when suddenly a cyclist at full speed is signaling in front of them and crossing their path (I don't cross the path of right turning vehicles that do signal - probably about 1 in 3 cars not signaling at this intersection turn right).

There are several types of vehicles that I've developed special rules for when cycling in Toronto:
Taxis:  They will close pass you, drive in bike lanes, cut you off, go through an intersection when it's not their right of way, switch back and forth between lanes unpredictably, run reds.
City Buses:  City buses stop often, but around here at least it's very rare for them to signal when they're going to pull away from the curb and start back up again, and they often don't use their mirrors.  (They also run red lights a surprising amount.)  I try to give a wide berth when passing a stopped city bus.
Big Transport Trucks:  This is mostly a visibility thing . . . I'm very careful never to go into blind spots or pass on the right.  Generally I'd say that transports are more predictable than regular traffic, but that can lull you into a false sense of security.
Luxury cars: Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla . . . I've found that these cars are more likely to close pass than generic cheaper brand cars.  For such expensive cars you would think that they would come with turn signals as standard equipment, but judging by the amount of signalling I see from them, this is not the case.
Shiny New Looking Pickup Trucks:  I get a lot of aggressive driving in general from people in these vehicles.  Revving engines, close passes, screeching tires, slamming on brakes.  Behavior seems to be worse outside of the city when you're cycling in the middle of nowhere, they're much less of a problem in busy traffic.
Your vehicle classifications seem universal (though I'd add SUVs with the pickups) and perhaps my city is better at training bus drivers to signal. I always get aggravated when an aggressive driver honks at me for taking a lane - particularly when I'm in a lane with painted sharrows and multiple lanes in my travel direction.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 26, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
Re: the right hook.  My take is drivers committing the hook (or near hook) aren’t accustomed to cyclists riding at “road bike” speed.  They underestimate the speed the cyclist is moving and think they can safely make the turn without a conflict.  I’ve seen it happen multiple times where the driver has the “oh sh1t” look when they realize the cyclist is still next to them when they try to make the turn. The only way to prevent it is to be aware of your surroundings.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 27, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
Re: the right hook.  My take is drivers committing the hook (or near hook) aren’t accustomed to cyclists riding at “road bike” speed.  They underestimate the speed the cyclist is moving and think they can safely make the turn without a conflict.  I’ve seen it happen multiple times where the driver has the “oh sh1t” look when they realize the cyclist is still next to them when they try to make the turn. The only way to prevent it is to be aware of your surroundings.

The other way to avoid it is to never pass a vehicle on the right when it's slowing or signalling at an intersection.  At intersections shoulder check, and if it's clear pass the vehicle on the left (or come to a stop and wait if it's not safe to do so).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 27, 2018, 04:42:53 PM
Re: the right hook.  My take is drivers committing the hook (or near hook) aren’t accustomed to cyclists riding at “road bike” speed.  They underestimate the speed the cyclist is moving and think they can safely make the turn without a conflict.  I’ve seen it happen multiple times where the driver has the “oh sh1t” look when they realize the cyclist is still next to them when they try to make the turn. The only way to prevent it is to be aware of your surroundings.

The other way to avoid it is to never pass a vehicle on the right when it's slowing or signalling at an intersection.  At intersections shoulder check, and if it's clear pass the vehicle on the left (or come to a stop and wait if it's not safe to do so).

I would never do that.  I see the right hook situation happen when an impatient motorist passes a cyclist then slows down to make a right turn.  By the time they are ready to make the turn, the cyclist has already caught up to them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on October 27, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
My plan to avoid the right hook is to be painfully slow.  lol
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixwings on October 27, 2018, 10:46:37 PM
Yeah I'm always super careful about cars turning right, any car slowing down I'll start to watch for any signs they may be turning. I also bike pretty slowly, dont have my feet clipped into my pedals, and generally am very defensive. I've never had a problem or really even a close call and I bike 30-40km a day.

I have a friend who has been in 3 accidents, all from the right turn hook. He is a very fast, aggressive cyclist. He also does a lot of stupid stuff like cycle around stopped cars at stop lights so he doesnt have to unclip his feet from his pedals, etc. Don't be like him.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on October 28, 2018, 09:41:27 AM
I find that I'm paranoid enough that I'm ringing my bike bell almost constantly, even around my fairly easy commute:

Part of me feels like I'm being really annoying. Part of me feels like it's helpful just to remind people that I'm there on the road with them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on October 28, 2018, 11:42:57 AM
I pretty much just assume no car driver ever can see me and adjust my speed/direction accordingly :)  I find that on my beefy cargo bike I get a lot more room in the lane from cars, but I also tend to ride a lot faster than on my 'regular' bike, so intersections are dicier as drivers don't expect my speed.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 28, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
I find that I'm paranoid enough that I'm ringing my bike bell almost constantly, even around my fairly easy commute:
  • Car is parked but has brake lights on and I'm going to pass? Ring.
  • Car is out of my path but reversing into a parking space on my right? Ring.
  • Car is approaching an intersection and hasn't made eye contact? Ring.
  • Car is approaching an intersection and there are cars parked to my front, right, and I might not be very visible? Ring.
  • Car is approaching an intersection and looks like they intend to do only a "rolling stop" anywhere near me? Ring.
  • Car looks like it might make a right turn but doesn't have a signal on as I approach the intersection? Ring.
  • Passing any stopped delivery vehicle? Ring.

Part of me feels like I'm being really annoying. Part of me feels like it's helpful just to remind people that I'm there on the road with them.

Remember that only you are hearing every single one of those rings. A cyclist ringing a bell to catch your attention shouldn't be annoying to any reasonable driver.

I find I am still intimidated each morning by the fact that I have to BIKE to work, but the ride itself is more pleasant each time. On Friday I rode through a lovely mist on campus. Though, is there a trick for preventing my glasses from fogging up when I stop? I don't think it was the mist causing it - I think it's the heat/sweat off my face.

If we wouldn't mind returning the conversation to crotches... I have been biking in yoga pants and underwear. No problems so far. Am I tempting fate? I'm a lady, if that's relevant...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on October 28, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
If your body and your bits are fine in the gear you're using, carry on :)

I have friends who wear jeans to commute year round. For myself it depends on the bike saddle and how long I'm riding.

My regular glasses get too fogged up at stoplights from now until next summer. It's definitely the heat from my face. I wear sunglasses (with an amber lens for low light) that I already have or ski goggles once it's colder - they both are vented at the eyebrow to prevent fogging. I'm sure there are better solutions (like clear non-fog lab glasses bought cheap online) but that's what I've already got on hand.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 28, 2018, 08:11:30 PM
Slide your glasses a tad further down your nose, so they're further away from your face. Then when you exhale, blow out through your mouth and kind of down towards your chest.

When that's not enough, just wipe them off with your fingers.

Re crotches: I find I can wear whatever I want; until I can't. Once a saddle sore appears, it takes months to go away. However, it may just be an age issue. I never used to have this problem when I was younger.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 29, 2018, 09:15:47 AM
Flat tire this morning!
$&%#£€¥?!!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 29, 2018, 09:28:28 AM
The other way to avoid it is to never pass a vehicle on the right when it's slowing or signalling at an intersection.  At intersections shoulder check, and if it's clear pass the vehicle on the left (or come to a stop and wait if it's not safe to do so).
I agree that if the vehicle is slowing without a signal indicating that they will turn left, you should be very cautious about passing on the right. If they are signaling a right turn, do not pass on right without clear eye contact with the driver assuring that they are waiting for you. I try to always take my right of way when it is safe to do so as it avoids delaying responsible drivers who know and follow the rules of the road.

I find it most difficult time to avoid this problem when passing cars that are accelerating after waiting at a red light but still going slow enough to execute the turn. If they aren't signaling, there no indication that they might not be proceeding straight until they are actually moving across your path.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 29, 2018, 09:38:19 AM
Flat tire this morning!
$&%#£€¥?!!

Drat! But you had the stuff to fix it and know what to do, right?

Two weeks ago I got a flat too. Someone had helpfully sprinkled drywall screws in the bike lane for about 500m worth of my commute. So not only was I late because I had to fix a flat, I also spent 20 minutes picking up all those screws so I won't get a flat every day for the next 6 months.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 29, 2018, 09:57:14 AM
Two weeks ago I got a flat too. Someone had helpfully sprinkled drywall screws in the bike lane for about 500m worth of my commute. So not only was I late because I had to fix a flat, I also spent 20 minutes picking up all those screws so I won't get a flat every day for the next 6 months.
I once identified a particular part of my commute where I was regularly picking up staples in my tire (my solution was to change my route - your solution was much better for the world).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 29, 2018, 11:22:58 AM
Flat tire this morning!
$&%#£€¥?!!

Drat! But you had the stuff to fix it and know what to do, right?

Two weeks ago I got a flat too. Someone had helpfully sprinkled drywall screws in the bike lane for about 500m worth of my commute. So not only was I late because I had to fix a flat, I also spent 20 minutes picking up all those screws so I won't get a flat every day for the next 6 months.
Oh jeez, that is horrible.

I tried pumping it up but it was dead. I threw it in my car and took it to the bike repair place at work. They told us at orientation that the ebikes are such that you pretty much need to be able to put it up on a stand to change a flat, so they recommended bringing them in instead. I was running late by then and am happy to let them change it for me while I work.

I woke up in a funk and really needed that bike to work this morning to work out the bad juju. Tomorrow!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 29, 2018, 02:39:30 PM
I really need to force myself to change a flat at home, such that I'm not doing it for the first time in the cold/dark on the side of the road.  I keep saying it, but haven't facepunched myself into doing it yet.  The rear wheel in particular looks to be somewhat of a nightmare for my hub-mounted e-bike, and at this point I'm not quite sure I'd be able to do it.  I have the tools/tube, but it still looks like a bear.

Ok.  Going to do the front one this weekend.  Accountability and stuff.  Depending on the results of that, will schedule up a rear tire practice down the (figurative!) road.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 29, 2018, 04:48:13 PM
I really need to force myself to change a flat at home, such that I'm not doing it for the first time in the cold/dark on the side of the road.  I keep saying it, but haven't facepunched myself into doing it yet.  The rear wheel in particular looks to be somewhat of a nightmare for my hub-mounted e-bike, and at this point I'm not quite sure I'd be able to do it.  I have the tools/tube, but it still looks like a bear.

Ok.  Going to do the front one this weekend.  Accountability and stuff.  Depending on the results of that, will schedule up a rear tire practice down the (figurative!) road.
The bad news is that rear tires get punctured more frequently than front (in my experience much more frequently). One explanation is that a sharp object may be lying flat on the ground, but disturbed by the front tire ends up pointy side up when the rear tire rolls over. Learning to take both wheels on/off is important.

On normal bikes dealing with the chain/derailleur makes the process slightly harder than the front, but I'd be surprised if it is very difficult to deal with the motor's wiring connection. A stand to hold the bike would certainly be nicer than flipping the bike over onto its handlebars and saddle, especially with the extra weight of the battery / motor and with electronic controls on the handlebar. I suppose you could disconnect everything you need to disconnect with the bike upright, then carefully lay the bike on its right side to take the wheel off.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 29, 2018, 08:27:14 PM
At 55lb it is kind of a beast to manhandle. I managed to get it into and out of my little car, but barely.

Luckily I got the bike repair shop at work to take a look. They replaced the rear tire as it was apparently shot. I suppose 1000+ miles on a tire will do that.

I can only imagine how interesting my 1 year-old would find a half-dissembled bike. ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on October 29, 2018, 10:38:55 PM
Tried a new shower room at work today. It is much nicer than the one I was using before. It's got several little personal changing areas + showers. Of course, I have the problem that I get water everywhere when showering, so my stuff ends up getting all wet... Somehow have to re-learn how to shower so that it doesn't look like I've flooded the room when I leave...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: carozy on October 29, 2018, 11:17:10 PM
Hi, I'm joining.  Lots of good info here.  I'm just starting to commute by bike for my current job (used to commute for my previous job over a year ago, but that was only 1/2 an hour bike ride).  It's 9.5 miles which is long for me.  I took my heavy ebike and managed it in 53 minutes this morning.  It was fun and the time went by fast.  Better than sitting in traffic!  I'll see if I can keep this up.  I wish I had a bit more scenic route, but at least there were long stretches of good bike lanes and what hills there were were easily managed with the ebike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DS on October 30, 2018, 07:52:37 AM
Tried a new shower room at work today. It is much nicer than the one I was using before. It's got several little personal changing areas + showers. Of course, I have the problem that I get water everywhere when showering, so my stuff ends up getting all wet... Somehow have to re-learn how to shower so that it doesn't look like I've flooded the room when I leave...

How clean is the floor? Do you put your towel down on the floor to step on when you get out? Dries the feet and the floor at the same time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on October 30, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
Keep up the good work Freedomin5!

On my quest, the old bike has been upgraded!   New derailleur to fix the slipping gears, brakes, tires, a rear rack that will hold panniers if I get really motivated about this and a kick-ass USB-rechargeable headlight (thanks GuitarStv) plus a new MIPS helmet.   Promised myself this would have to do until I drop 20 lbs and get my fitness level up to where it needs to be...   Last bit is the cold weather bar mitts.   Then my reward will be a new ride in 6 months or so after I see how the bike (and my motivation) hold up through the winter months.

First real ride after the upgrades went great!   Just 6 and a half miles with decent hills and 50/50 gravel/paved roads averaged just under 10MPH (bike is NOT a higher end bike, nor am I a higher end fitness level (yet ;-)).    First ride with significant road traffic (thankfully in an area used to bikers) so that was educational for sure...   Now added rear view mirrors to bike and helmet to avoid pooping myself with the folks who come up behind quietly, then FLOOR IT when going by...   Fitness level and riding style lessons abounded as well...  Hit a wall on the tougher hill section, but then really recovered with a 2nd kick to finish up the last 2.5 miles.   Now also a Strava site user to keep up the stats, improve and build some cred' there.   Keepin' on, keepin' on!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 30, 2018, 11:28:05 PM
Keep up the good work Freedomin5!

On my quest, the old bike has been upgraded!   New derailleur to fix the slipping gears, brakes, tires, a rear rack that will hold panniers if I get really motivated about this and a kick-ass USB-rechargeable headlight (thanks GuitarStv) plus a new MIPS helmet.   Promised myself this would have to do until I drop 20 lbs and get my fitness level up to where it needs to be...   Last bit is the cold weather bar mitts.   Then my reward will be a new ride in 6 months or so after I see how the bike (and my motivation) hold up through the winter months.

First real ride after the upgrades went great!   Just 6 and a half miles with decent hills and 50/50 gravel/paved roads averaged just under 10MPH (bike is NOT a higher end bike, nor am I a higher end fitness level (yet ;-)).    First ride with significant road traffic (thankfully in an area used to bikers) so that was educational for sure...   Now added rear view mirrors to bike and helmet to avoid pooping myself with the folks who come up behind quietly, then FLOOR IT when going by...   Fitness level and riding style lessons abounded as well...  Hit a wall on the tougher hill section, but then really recovered with a 2nd kick to finish up the last 2.5 miles.   Now also a Strava site user to keep up the stats, improve and build some cred' there.   Keepin' on, keepin' on!
Congrats! You sound pumped. :)

I got to ride again today after my flat which felt great. I also got to try this mega-dorky brim I added to my helmet to block the afternoon sun. It was effective and didn’t blow off, so successful.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on October 31, 2018, 02:16:08 AM
How clean is the floor? Do you put your towel down on the floor to step on when you get out? Dries the feet and the floor at the same time.

Did exactly that this morning and somehow managed to fling water slightly less far than yesterday.

Also I changed my first flat since I started riding yesterday morning.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: secondchance on November 02, 2018, 07:27:44 PM
Slight setback ... I rode most of the month, but my brakes were slowly going and my newfound confidence in traffic began outstripping my braking power.  So, I fixed my brakes and made them SUPER snug. 

The next week I got cut off by a taxi, hit my brand new brakes, and went down hard. 😂 I'm fine but busted my knee (and various other parts) pretty good.  That was Tuesday night and I'm still limping.  Hoping to be back on the bike for Monday.

I did get up and finish my ride home 💪

I was scared this would put me off riding, but taking the subway in my convalescence just makes me miss it even more.  I vow to be more careful with my brakes and my routes! I was coming from an unfamiliar place and ended up having my accident on a dangerous stretch of road I could have avoided.

Be careful out there and stay warm ❤
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 03, 2018, 12:19:13 AM
Biked to work every day this week! And biked home 4 out of 5. Me and the bike got a ride home from a coworker when lab dinner kept us there past dark.

The repetition made it a little harder - each day I was a little more tired than the day before - but I assume that effect will fade with practice.

Glad you're okay, @secondchance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 03, 2018, 07:46:27 AM
Glad you are okay as well.

I biked four of five days this week a FI am still physically wiped out. That was at least my third week biking so I am not sure why it is still doing that to me. It doesn’t help that work has been crazy so I’ve had a lot of late nights. Those should be done for a little while though as of last night.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on November 03, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
Yeah, me too, and I’ve been biking 3-4 times per week since August! I think it’s because I’ve been pedaling more rather than depending on the electric assist on my ebike. Legs are kind of sore now.

I used to worry about being stinky and sweaty when I got to work, but guess what? No one actually cares, and apparently I don’t actually stink that bad. At least no one has commented or gagged or run screaming from my office. I haven’t even used the wipes that I carry in my bag in about a month.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 03, 2018, 09:23:55 AM
The trick to not feeling gassed by Friday is to get fitter than you need to be for commuting. So if you can do some sort of cross training on the weekend it'll help.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 03, 2018, 06:51:58 PM
The trick to not feeling gassed by Friday is to get fitter than you need to be for commuting. So if you can do some sort of cross training on the weekend it'll help.

Monday - No coffee
Tuesday - Half a cup of coffee
Wednesday - Big cup of coffee
Thursday - Double espresso
Friday - Three double espressos


:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on November 04, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
Lessons learned in biking this weekend by "a friend"... 

Don't inflate your new tires w/intertubes on your bike with a full sized power air compressor and a car tire gauge that isn't very precise...

It is possible to get a "bad" replacement intertube with a bad valve that won't inflate with any form of air source or multiple air nozzles (or amount of colorful language for good measure).   

Having a buddy who owns a bike shop will easily address both issues above... but will involve a lot of laughing at your expense.

Buying a nice quality bike tire air pump with a pressure gauge that on both common types of air valves (Schrader & Presta) is worth every penny to avoid all 3 lessons above!    Yes, all these things were learned by that person.  ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 04, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
I've requested a pump with a pressure gauge for Christmas. (In my family there is a moratorium on buying things for yourself at this time of year.) Right now I just have a hand pump.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on November 05, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
A proper track pump makes a colossal difference. It takes about twenty seconds to get a road bike tyre to 80psi, as opposed to the effectively infinite length of time it takes to do the same thing with a portable pump.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on November 05, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
Yes and they can be used on the car too, rather than trusting unreliable garage air machines. A track pump is well worth it for someone regularly cycling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 05, 2018, 10:21:09 AM
Yes and they can be used on the car too, rather than trusting unreliable garage air machines. A track pump is well worth it for someone regularly cycling.

I've been pumping my car's tires with my track pump for years now.  It's a good workout and saves me a dollar + trip to the gas station for air.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 05, 2018, 10:30:54 AM
So I managed to bike slightly more kms in October than in September. Just an extra 300m, but it felt like a pretty big accomplishment considering I lost an entire week early in the month after my back seized up. It's still not 100%, but at least I can get around again.

Another milestone is that when I was inflating the tires on my grocery trailer this weekend before heading to the store, I noticed both tires were pretty bald. The rubber was completely worn away in a couple spots. So, new tires were added to my list and will get installed this week. Bought the trailer in already well used condition, but I'm still impressed it's been used enough to wear out the tires.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on November 05, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Yes and they can be used on the car too, rather than trusting unreliable garage air machines. A track pump is well worth it for someone regularly cycling.

I've been pumping my car's tires with my track pump for years now.  It's a good workout and saves me a dollar + trip to the gas station for air.

:P

Yes me too. I remember seeing some report that here in the U.K. 75% of all garage air machines are hugely inaccurate to the point you could be 15-20% out from what you think you’ve put in. I was horrified, but had been using my track pump for several years by that point and vowed to use it on my car forever more. You’re right, when all four tyres need filling it’s a terrific workout.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 05, 2018, 11:24:53 AM
Not to work, but biking in general.

We went on a family ride yesterday with the two Littles in the trailer behind my ebike. They are getting pretty good about being okay back there. We ply them with books and snacks and water and then I got to listen to the big one tell me all the way hoke how the little one dumped her Cheerios all over the floor of the trailer. Whatevs, kiddo. I am rich. I can buy you more Cheerios! :)

Seriously though, my husband and I feel so great when we do these outings and I figure it is teaching the kids to suck it up and learn to appreciate with us.

Biking to work this morning was different with the time change. The sun was up so much higher that there were a lot more bicyclists on the roads and trails than I am used to seeing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haflander on November 05, 2018, 12:15:47 PM
I'm ecstatic to be officially joining this thread, woo! It's more for accountability with myself vs anything else. I'm in the application process for an apt that's 1.5 miles away from work. My plan is to walk on nice days, bike in hot/cold weather (or if in a hurry), and avoid driving to/from work as much as possible. I'll be moving at the end of this month, which is great timing because I can get acclimated to the weather before our semi-Winter begins, probably in January. Previous driving commute was only 10 miles but usually 30 minutes due to a bazillion stop lights, drivers, and no decent alternative. It'll be beyond awesome to exchange that drive with a walk and get there in about the same time or less! Way less on biking days!!

Route is only two roads and possibly a short trail for a shortcut (need to investigate). The last half is on a road that goes under a busy tollway and keeps on going right to my office building, including a little bike rack in the parking garage. Both roads have four lanes and big sidewalks, but a lot of entrances/exits for apts and offices that will necessitate wariness and caution. BONUS/HAZARD (not sure, maybe you can tell me?): right around halfway is an elementary school with school zone limits. My first thought was that this would help cars be more aware of pedestrians/bikers...then I thought that it might be a net negative if there's a lot of traffic and angry late parents zooming in their Tahoes. I live right next to an elementary school now and definitely avoid walking the dog in that time/area. JACKPOT: office building also has a gym with nice showers. Idk if walking to work would break a sweat in the morning, but I'll have showers if necessary. I guess the plan for now whether biking or walking is to use a backpack to bring clothes and then change at work.

I know ya'll are probably thinking I'm so spoiled and lucky with a microscopic commute. However, I'm really inspired by reading about your legit biking commutes and want to use your words here to help my resolve when it's cold/rainy. Happy to join the club.

Only 1 ? for now...what time do ya'll bike? What are the optimal times to avoid rush hour drivers? My office is pretty flexible on schedule. For example, my cube neighbor gets here early (not sure when) and leaves at 3 everyday!! wtf?!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 05, 2018, 12:21:46 PM
How fantastic that will be! I am one who tends to get in around 7:30 and leaves at 16:00 on the dot. In my old industry getting in by 7:00 was completely normal and no one blinked an eye at starting your work day at 6:00. Being on the road closer to 8:00 for me means many more cars and bikes on the road and more red lights.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 05, 2018, 01:17:17 PM
Biking to work this morning was different with the time change. The sun was up so much higher that there were a lot more bicyclists on the roads and trails than I am used to seeing.

I got up an hour earlier. Or rather, I got up at the same time and everyone else got up an hour later. Far less traffic and no lost sleep.

I know ya'll are probably thinking I'm so spoiled and lucky with a microscopic commute. However, I'm really inspired by reading about your legit biking commutes and want to use your words here to help my resolve when it's cold/rainy. Happy to join the club.

This thread is for people starting out on biking to work. There is no commute too easy for inclusion. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 05, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
I'm ecstatic to be officially joining this thread, woo! It's more for accountability with myself vs anything else. I'm in the application process for an apt that's 1.5 miles away from work. My plan is to walk on nice days, bike in hot/cold weather (or if in a hurry), and avoid driving to/from work as much as possible. I'll be moving at the end of this month, which is great timing because I can get acclimated to the weather before our semi-Winter begins, probably in January. Previous driving commute was only 10 miles but usually 30 minutes due to a bazillion stop lights, drivers, and no decent alternative. It'll be beyond awesome to exchange that drive with a walk and get there in about the same time or less! Way less on biking days!!

Route is only two roads and possibly a short trail for a shortcut (need to investigate). The last half is on a road that goes under a busy tollway and keeps on going right to my office building, including a little bike rack in the parking garage. Both roads have four lanes and big sidewalks, but a lot of entrances/exits for apts and offices that will necessitate wariness and caution. BONUS/HAZARD (not sure, maybe you can tell me?): right around halfway is an elementary school with school zone limits. My first thought was that this would help cars be more aware of pedestrians/bikers...then I thought that it might be a net negative if there's a lot of traffic and angry late parents zooming in their Tahoes. I live right next to an elementary school now and definitely avoid walking the dog in that time/area. JACKPOT: office building also has a gym with nice showers. Idk if walking to work would break a sweat in the morning, but I'll have showers if necessary. I guess the plan for now whether biking or walking is to use a backpack to bring clothes and then change at work.

I know ya'll are probably thinking I'm so spoiled and lucky with a microscopic commute. However, I'm really inspired by reading about your legit biking commutes and want to use your words here to help my resolve when it's cold/rainy. Happy to join the club.

Only 1 ? for now...what time do ya'll bike? What are the optimal times to avoid rush hour drivers? My office is pretty flexible on schedule. For example, my cube neighbor gets here early (not sure when) and leaves at 3 everyday!! wtf?!

Rush hour in my town lasts for several hours, so avoiding it requires unreasonable time shifts. However, I actually prefer riding when the roads are nearly gridlocked vs when cars are moving faster. A big chunk of my commute is on a 2-3 lane highway with a nice wide shoulder. When traffic's at a near standsill, it's feels safer because of the low speed. Not sure what it's like in TX, but you may find something similar.

If you choose to ride on the sidewalk (I assume there's no bike lane or shoulder on the road) you're right to be very careful at each of those driveways. Those are what make riding on the sidewalk dangerous.

School zones are a mixed bag. Great that traffic is generally moving more slowly, but there are tons of distractions (kids everywhere) for both you and drivers. Plus, there's likely to be a lot of cars pulling in/out all around the school as kids get dropped off. School zones are only an issue for me in the morning because I don't leave the office till after the school zones are all cleared out for the day.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 05, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Another flat! Thankfully this was only four blocks from home, but damn.

Grump grump grump.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on November 06, 2018, 07:52:09 AM
I’ve officially biked over 1000km, according to the odometer on the bike! Haven’t had any issues with the bike yet (knock on wood) but the brakes are a little wonky. One side is closer to the wheel than the other side and I don’t know how to center it back. They still work and I don’t bike fast (average 20km/hr) so I’m just making do for now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 06, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
I’ve officially biked over 1000km, according to the odometer on the bike! Haven’t had any issues with the bike yet (knock on wood) but the brakes are a little wonky. One side is closer to the wheel than the other side and I don’t know how to center it back. They still work and I don’t bike fast (average 20km/hr) so I’m just making do for now.
The good news is that when the brakes squeeze the rim they should self center on the rim so the brakes being off center when they are open should not cause braking power issues. If your wheel is true enough that you're not rubbing the closer break pad then there's not much harm to leaving it as is; however, if you can center your brakes, you could improve brake responsiveness by setting your open brake position to have a smaller overall gap from the rim. If the brake pad is rubbing the rim when you're not applying your brakes you are robbing yourself of power and wearing out your brake pad, so you should address the issue. One likely cause of the brake not retracting evenly is that the pivot points are starting to get gunked up and should be cleaned and lubed. It is also possible that the spring tension to pull the brakes away from the rim is not even (there are usually adjustment screws near the pivot points to adjust spring tension).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on November 06, 2018, 03:34:49 PM
I’ve officially biked over 1000km, according to the odometer on the bike! Haven’t had any issues with the bike yet (knock on wood) but the brakes are a little wonky. One side is closer to the wheel than the other side and I don’t know how to center it back. They still work and I don’t bike fast (average 20km/hr) so I’m just making do for now.
The good news is that when the brakes squeeze the rim they should self center on the rim so the brakes being off center when they are open should not cause braking power issues. If your wheel is true enough that you're not rubbing the closer break pad then there's not much harm to leaving it as is; however, if you can center your brakes, you could improve brake responsiveness by setting your open brake position to have a smaller overall gap from the rim. If the brake pad is rubbing the rim when you're not applying your brakes you are robbing yourself of power and wearing out your brake pad, so you should address the issue. One likely cause of the brake not retracting evenly is that the pivot points are starting to get gunked up and should be cleaned and lubed. It is also possible that the spring tension to pull the brakes away from the rim is not even (there are usually adjustment screws near the pivot points to adjust spring tension).

@robartsd  Thanks, this is helpful! The brake pads are not touching the wheel (unless I squeeze the brakes), so I guess I’m okay. I do have a total noob question though — what is a pivot point? I’d like to try to clean/adjust the brake, but all the how-to websites refer to the pivot point, and I don’t know which part of the brake it is.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: singpolyma on November 06, 2018, 03:40:25 PM
I’ve officially biked over 1000km, according to the odometer on the bike! Haven’t had any issues with the bike yet (knock on wood) but the brakes are a little wonky. One side is closer to the wheel than the other side and I don’t know how to center it back. They still work and I don’t bike fast (average 20km/hr) so I’m just making do for now.
The good news is that when the brakes squeeze the rim they should self center on the rim so the brakes being off center when they are open should not cause braking power issues. If your wheel is true enough that you're not rubbing the closer break pad then there's not much harm to leaving it as is; however, if you can center your brakes, you could improve brake responsiveness by setting your open brake position to have a smaller overall gap from the rim. If the brake pad is rubbing the rim when you're not applying your brakes you are robbing yourself of power and wearing out your brake pad, so you should address the issue. One likely cause of the brake not retracting evenly is that the pivot points are starting to get gunked up and should be cleaned and lubed. It is also possible that the spring tension to pull the brakes away from the rim is not even (there are usually adjustment screws near the pivot points to adjust spring tension).

Is it not just a likely that the wheel is off-true? When my v-brake bikes start rubbing, that's usually the cause. Easy to fix on your own, still.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Yasha on November 07, 2018, 03:36:30 AM
Hello friends! Very newbie cyclist here. Last week I rode in to work (8km) on Thursday morning, left my bike at work over the weekend then rode it home Monday afternoon. Tuesday I rode it to work and home. Today I caught the bus, tomorrow I hope to ride depending on weather and tushie-tenderness.
I have booked in for a half-day riding course run by the council to brush up on my road rules (no car for the last three years and in this new city you must ride on the road not the path, heavy fines apply) and make sure that all my google-fu as to the road rules are what they are teaching.
Any tips for making the cars less mad at you? (or maybe caring less?) People are beeping at me, or overtaking me without moving fully into the other lane (moving over just half into the lane and zooming past me in the middle of my lane close enough to touch if I stretched out my hand) and it's unsettling... I almost want to get a shirt with this logo or stick it to my backpack or something...
(http://www.pedalpower.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Final-Jersey-design.jpg) but would they read it? Doubt it...

Question: Do you have a video camera (like a dashcam) on your bike in case of accidents? If I get smooshed I feel like my parents will want to know who did it...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 07, 2018, 07:06:44 AM
Any tips for making the cars less mad at you? (or maybe caring less?)

If you're cycling sensibly (don't weave all over the road, don't be overly aggressive, signal your lane changes well in advance, use lights and reflectors at night, stop at traffic lights/stop signs, etc.), most drivers are going to be pretty reasonable.  You'll always get a few folks who are having a bad day and see you as a vulnerable person that they can take out their problems on.  Honestly, there's not too much that you can do beyond taking a moment to try and figure out if maybe you did something that triggered their anger, and then letting it go.



People are beeping at me

Some people will go behind you and honk because they incorrectly believe that this is safer (by letting you know that they are there before they pass I guess?).  Not much you can do about this, beyond keep your cool and just ignore it.



overtaking me without moving fully into the other lane

You can try cycling further towards the middle of the lane, rather than staying as far to the right as possible.  There's some kind of psychological thing that goes on that makes a person driving really, really, really, not want to cross over the line into the next lane.  Often if you're cycling really far to the right, cars will pass you very closely in order to stay in the same lane as you.  When you ride a foot or two from the right you get more room to maneuver around obstacles (potholes/debris), but more importantly, it forces a car to cross that line and exit the lane in order to pass you.  Most cars don't care about close passing a cyclist, but are loathe to put a cyclist sized dent in their vehicle.  :P

almost want to get a shirt with this logo or stick it to my backpack or something

Unfortunately, the kind of person who is a dick to a cyclist isn't likely to change their behaviour by reading something on a cyclists back.



Question: Do you have a video camera (like a dashcam) on your bike in case of accidents? If I get smooshed I feel like my parents will want to know who did it...

Nope.  I don't think there's any real utility in having a camera while cycling.  Having a record of the accident doesn't prevent the accident, which is what you really want.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 07, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Question: Do you have a video camera (like a dashcam) on your bike in case of accidents? If I get smooshed I feel like my parents will want to know who did it...

Nope.  I don't think there's any real utility in having a camera while cycling.  Having a record of the accident doesn't prevent the accident, which is what you really want.
I don't know. Take your recent hit-and-run. A video could be helpful to authorities in tracking down and prosecuting the offender. A video could also be used to get media attention helping to educate some drivers about their responsibilities towards cyclists. Having a record of a collision (it was not an accident - the driver intentionally put you in danger) doesn't prevent that collision, but it could prevent a future one.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on November 07, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
My first 5 out of 5 bike commute week last week.  I am a "fair weather" rider, and been averaging 1-3 days per week since 2015, and stopping through the winter.   This year, I'm trying to transition into a year round commuter.  Today I'm 3/3 for this week, plan to make it 5/5 for 2 weeks in a row.

It's getting colder and wetter in Chicago though.  How do you all deal with wet shoes/socks.  I have dress shoes I change into at work.  But my socks remained wet for most of the day.  I can get a separate pair of socks for work also, but then my sneakers are still wet when I put them back on to go home.  Are there any waterproof shoes that aren't winter boot-types that would work with biking?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 07, 2018, 09:37:47 AM
Hello friends! Very newbie cyclist here. Last week I rode in to work (8km) on Thursday morning, left my bike at work over the weekend then rode it home Monday afternoon. Tuesday I rode it to work and home. Today I caught the bus, tomorrow I hope to ride depending on weather and tushie-tenderness.
I have booked in for a half-day riding course run by the council to brush up on my road rules (no car for the last three years and in this new city you must ride on the road not the path, heavy fines apply) and make sure that all my google-fu as to the road rules are what they are teaching.
Any tips for making the cars less mad at you? (or maybe caring less?) People are beeping at me, or overtaking me without moving fully into the other lane (moving over just half into the lane and zooming past me in the middle of my lane close enough to touch if I stretched out my hand) and it's unsettling... I almost want to get a shirt with this logo or stick it to my backpack or something...

Question: Do you have a video camera (like a dashcam) on your bike in case of accidents? If I get smooshed I feel like my parents will want to know who did it...

GuitarStv said all the things I was going to say.

After years of bike commuting, I'm finally to the point where I don't panic when I get honked at. Instead I think, "Great! They see me!". However, for years being honked at scared the ever loving crap out of me on a visceral level.

Ditto to the advice to ride further into the lane to force them to give you more space when they pass. You could also try one of these gizmos to give the cars a visual cue as to how far away they need to be. I've always wanted something like this, but with a bingo dabber or wet paint brush on the end, so if they make contact their car will get tagged.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/lM0I9.jpg)

Oooh, looks like someone's come up with a way to enforce the passing distance, https://www.citylab.com/life/2015/06/a-nifty-device-to-stop-cars-from-driving-too-close-to-bikes/397055/

I don't use a camera, but I don't think it's an awful idea. I live in a fairly cycling friendly town and the police take incidents seriously. I've called them a few times when a driver's actions have been egregiously dangerous. Thing is, it's only useful to call if you can get the plate# of the car. That can be hard to do in the one second it takes for the driver to speed away. It's even harder to get a decent description when your adrenaline is pumping. So a helmet mounted camera could help.

Of course the last time I reported a driver for nearly killing me the plate# and car description didn't match at all. The officer made it sound like the plates were likely stolen. Makes it hard to track down the offender.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 07, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
My first 5 out of 5 bike commute week last week.  I am a "fair weather" rider, and been averaging 1-3 days per week since 2015, and stopping through the winter.   This year, I'm trying to transition into a year round commuter.  Today I'm 3/3 for this week, plan to make it 5/5 for 2 weeks in a row.

It's getting colder and wetter in Chicago though.  How do you all deal with wet shoes/socks.  I have dress shoes I change into at work.  But my socks remained wet for most of the day.  I can get a separate pair of socks for work also, but then my sneakers are still wet when I put them back on to go home.  Are there any waterproof shoes that aren't winter boot-types that would work with biking?

I have a pair of waterproof Keen trail shoes that keep my feet fairly dry. The problem is they don't cover my ankles, so the tops of my socks get wet and then it wicks down into the shoe.

Most of the time I wear neoprene shoe covers over my bike shoes (I ride clipless). Keeps my shoes dry and my feet warm.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 07, 2018, 11:00:57 AM
overtaking me without moving fully into the other lane

You can try cycling further towards the middle of the lane, rather than staying as far to the right as possible.  There's some kind of psychological thing that goes on that makes a person driving really, really, really, not want to cross over the line into the next lane.  Often if you're cycling really far to the right, cars will pass you very closely in order to stay in the same lane as you.  When you ride a foot or two from the right you get more room to maneuver around obstacles (potholes/debris), but more importantly, it forces a car to cross that line and exit the lane in order to pass you.  Most cars don't care about close passing a cyclist, but are loathe to put a cyclist sized dent in their vehicle.  :P

I have read that female cyclists (which I am) tend to be injured more often because they are less likely to claim the center of a lane, and so people pass closer to them/us as @GuitarStv described. (Yasha sounds like a feminine screenname but of course I could be wrong.)  I think of this whenever I feel awkward about the space I am taking up. You have the right to claim the whole lane, and it is safer for you to do so. Be obvious and force people to go all the way around you. Don't be part of that statistic.

Admittedly I have still considered getting a shirt that says "THIS IS MY LANE, GO AROUND" because drivers still pass too close sometimes. But at least you have made them pay attention to you while they are passing.

Actually, the incident that really fired me up this week was the woman who didn't see me signaling my FLASHING BLUE LIT ARM to merge in front of her slowing car because she was texting - both hands in her lap with her foot on the brake, but still moving at maybe 15mph. I would have been hit if I were biking less defensively.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 07, 2018, 11:05:46 AM
My first 5 out of 5 bike commute week last week.  I am a "fair weather" rider, and been averaging 1-3 days per week since 2015, and stopping through the winter.   This year, I'm trying to transition into a year round commuter.  Today I'm 3/3 for this week, plan to make it 5/5 for 2 weeks in a row.

It's getting colder and wetter in Chicago though.  How do you all deal with wet shoes/socks.  I have dress shoes I change into at work.  But my socks remained wet for most of the day.  I can get a separate pair of socks for work also, but then my sneakers are still wet when I put them back on to go home.  Are there any waterproof shoes that aren't winter boot-types that would work with biking?

Wet feet suck.


I keep a towel at work.  After a wet ride, lay the towel flat and then lay your socks (and other wet stuff) flat on top of the towel.  Roll the towel up tightly, then walk on it.  Unroll the towel and your stuff will be like 95% dry.

If your shoes are soaked, pull the insoles out of them and roll 'em up in the towel along with your other stuff.  Then stuff your soleless shoes tightly with balls of newspaper or paper towels.  Wait about three hours and remove the newspaper/paper towels, they will have soaked up and removed most of the water.



Yes, there are waterproof shoes that you can buy.  (Google waterproof running shoes and you'll find a bunch.)  I got a pair years ago and use them (with wool socks) when it's really cold in the winter because they don't breathe and are very warm, and water would run down my leg and fill the shoe when it was really pouring . . . which is super gross feeling.  I'll occasionally use waterproof overshoes that I put over my cycling shoes when it's really pouring in warmer months and these work pretty well.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on November 08, 2018, 04:12:08 AM
If you can't find a solution for the shoes that works, could you have two pair?  Ride in with pair A, leave A at the office and drive home in B, then B to work the next day, etc. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mveill1 on November 08, 2018, 07:26:14 AM
My first 5 out of 5 bike commute week last week.  I am a "fair weather" rider, and been averaging 1-3 days per week since 2015, and stopping through the winter.   This year, I'm trying to transition into a year round commuter.  Today I'm 3/3 for this week, plan to make it 5/5 for 2 weeks in a row.

It's getting colder and wetter in Chicago though.  How do you all deal with wet shoes/socks.  I have dress shoes I change into at work.  But my socks remained wet for most of the day.  I can get a separate pair of socks for work also, but then my sneakers are still wet when I put them back on to go home.  Are there any waterproof shoes that aren't winter boot-types that would work with biking?

I have a pair of waterproof Keen trail shoes that keep my feet fairly dry. The problem is they don't cover my ankles, so the tops of my socks get wet and then it wicks down into the shoe.

Most of the time I wear neoprene shoe covers over my bike shoes (I ride clipless). Keeps my shoes dry and my feet warm.

May be pricey, but winter merino cycling or hiking socks will be dry at the end of the day as long as you don't leave them bunched up in your bag. As far as your shoes, is there anywhere warmish and discreet you could leave them? If they're not dripping you should feel pretty dry in your merino's... there may be a kirkland/costco line of merino socks that i'm sure are as good as any

I use traditional cycling shoes for my commute and these tend to dry fairly fast. but I did use to have a tower for a PC under my desk at work, I'd dry my whole kit on it!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 08, 2018, 08:34:35 AM
Tomorrow will be my first day of commute failure since late June, when I started biking.  I have a dentist appointment in the middle of the day, and it's too far away (and without a good route) to realistically bike in a safe manner.  It would also necessitate leaving work earlier to bike, which I'd feel a bit guilty about.  Given that work is on the way to the dentist, it doesn't really make sense to bike in, bike home, then drive to the appointment. 

I feel a bit bad about tomorrow, but I suppose this is one of the reasons I keep the car around.  Still, I think that 4.5 months since my car has graced the work parking lot is a decent achievement for someone who had never biked to work before.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 08, 2018, 10:05:36 AM
That is really good! I’ve been biking for only five weeks and four of those weeks I’ve had something come up that required a car one day of the week. An appointment that was too far away in the middle of the day, two flat tires, etc.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Yasha on November 08, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
Thanks for all the tips and tricks all! (The pool-noodle space indicator particularly resonates with me!) I rode to work again yesterday and left my bike in the office. Still working on those muscles so decided not to do the double trip in one day. I have the safe rider training on Saturday so I will figure out if it makes more sense to bus to work on Saturday morning, pick up the bike and ride from there to the training, or if it makes more sense then I’ll ride the bike home today after work and then from home to the training.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on November 09, 2018, 10:19:39 AM
New milestone.  Biked to work today in full on chicago snow!!

I've commuted in torrential downpour, (light) hail, maybe a small flurry, but never in real snowfall.  Now, it's still too warm for the snow to stick on the ground, but this was a big step. 

Wore my regular wool gloves + snowboarding gloves, face mask, goggles.   The only real part that was cold were my toes.  I wore my wigwam socks, with my usual running shoes, and my toes were frozen numb by the end of the 6.5 mile ride.  Still need to figure something out with my feet..
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 09, 2018, 10:32:50 AM
New milestone.  Biked to work today in full on chicago snow!!

I've commuted in torrential downpour, (light) hail, maybe a small flurry, but never in real snowfall.  Now, it's still too warm for the snow to stick on the ground, but this was a big step. 

Wore my regular wool gloves + snowboarding gloves, face mask, goggles.   The only real part that was cold were my toes.  I wore my wigwam socks, with my usual running shoes, and my toes were frozen numb by the end of the 6.5 mile ride.  Still need to figure something out with my feet..

Snow's not too bad.  I kinda like cycling in it, when it's falling heavily everything sounds softer.  It gets pretty exciting when there are five or six inches of the stuff down and you've got to jump from rut to rut.  Good exercise to brush up on your bike handling.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on November 09, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
New milestone.  Biked to work today in full on chicago snow!!

I've commuted in torrential downpour, (light) hail, maybe a small flurry, but never in real snowfall.  Now, it's still too warm for the snow to stick on the ground, but this was a big step. 

Wore my regular wool gloves + snowboarding gloves, face mask, goggles.   The only real part that was cold were my toes.  I wore my wigwam socks, with my usual running shoes, and my toes were frozen numb by the end of the 6.5 mile ride.  Still need to figure something out with my feet..

Congrats!!! Isn't it a little magical?? I rode last night as snow was falling, flakes lit up by my headlight, cars slipping and sliding while I just kept trucking along. Looks like I'll need to buy a studded tire earlier than I was planning!

My mom keeps sending me boxes of disposable hand warmers so I've used those under my toes. They're annoying when I'm walking but I don't notice them at all riding. For commuting, I'd rather have warm feet than dry feet once I get to work, so I've also used plastic bags inside my shoes to help block wind (I change into scrubs anyway so changing socks/underthings is no biggie for me).

My son rides clipless and bought neoprene shoe covers a few years ago. He didn't end up liking them, so I've actually used those over top of my regular shoes, or inside my boots over my socks. More breathable than straight plastic. When I've used them outside my shoes, I haven't noticed any issue with being slippery on my pedals (since they're made for cleats and only have a small opening for the cleat) but that may vary from bike to bike.

Again, congrats!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on November 09, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
OK, the ride in the snow is awesome and officially makes any of us who complain about the cold a bunch of pansies.

So here goes...  New helmet (with nice rear view mirror attached) is ready to go for first cold-ish ride and new light and other bike goodies are setup satisfactorily (new front/rear light, rear rack for grocery/computer bags)... Just around freezing for tomorrow's ride time so this should be interesting.   The tips about feet being the worst thing to get cold helped...   Goal is 10 miles+ on a relatively flat greenway...  This Badger is almost 10lbs lighter now and has better gear than the first 5 mile ride there a month ago.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Yasha on November 11, 2018, 01:36:00 AM
Attended the safe city cyclists class ($25) run by the local council and I feel so much more confident about riding on the roads - plus the instructor pumped up both my tyres (both at less than half the psi they should have been, so wonder it was a struggle!) and helped me put my seat on straight so it doesn’t keep poking me in the thigh and giving me a bruise. As part of the course we went for a 9km bike ride. I then rode the 7km home as well totalling 16km in a row. Tush is a bit tender but the worst bit is I got sunburnt because I forgot to put on sunscreen and the Aussie sun is merciless. Still very happy I went!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 12, 2018, 12:38:43 PM
I didn’t ride today. Partially it is because I went on little runs on both days last weekend and am tired. Partially it is because the air quality outside is unhealthy due to massive fires north of us. I have a face mask and will probably use it to ride tomorrow, but it made a nice excuse today.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 12, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
New milestone.  Biked to work today in full on chicago snow!!

I've commuted in torrential downpour, (light) hail, maybe a small flurry, but never in real snowfall.  Now, it's still too warm for the snow to stick on the ground, but this was a big step. 

Wore my regular wool gloves + snowboarding gloves, face mask, goggles.   The only real part that was cold were my toes.  I wore my wigwam socks, with my usual running shoes, and my toes were frozen numb by the end of the 6.5 mile ride.  Still need to figure something out with my feet..


Well done!  And here I was, feeling good because it was my first commute with the temperature in the 40s.  No, I didn't think it was a particularly impressive accomplishment, but it was still a first for me, and I enjoyed it (thanks to adequate preparation)! 

Still haven't dealt with significant precipitation.  Life in a drought. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 13, 2018, 10:22:14 AM
I didn’t ride today. Partially it is because I went on little runs on both days last weekend and am tired. Partially it is because the air quality outside is unhealthy due to massive fires north of us. I have a face mask and will probably use it to ride tomorrow, but it made a nice excuse today.
Between air quality and DW's availability to drop me off/pick me up, I didn't ride the last half of last week after getting a flat (there was also other bike maintenance that needed attention that I became aware of early last week but did not prevent me from making my easy bike commute). DW's schedule doesn't allow for the drop off this week, but bike maintenance got taken care of yesterday and I rode again today. Although it will mean more days off the bike for me (no fenders), we need rain to come soon; but still none in the forecast.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: carozy on November 13, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
I'm another one not wanting to ride with this air quality.  I think I'll hit the gym though and get some movement in this week.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 13, 2018, 12:39:45 PM
My husband has a pack of dust filter masks and I took one to ride in this morning. He has also been riding this week. As he put it, it is important for his mental health. It was uncomfortable riding with this mask on as it got steamy inside from my breathing, but it is better, I suppose, than nothing.

I did have a laugh at the new record I am setting for dorkiness. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181113/d1ec2375b67721735b717c5173a1c5e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on November 13, 2018, 02:12:13 PM
Poor Bay Area air quality broke my 4 week streak of riding. I rode last Friday and it didn't feel like the brightest thing to be doing. I could tell I was a little more winded than usual, so I took that a sign my body was trying to tell me to degrease my chain, wash the frame, disassemble my bike and try to drill out a rusted stainless steel screw in the front fork so I can mount fenders for the future rainy days.

One news station was saying those N95 masks are only functional for about an hour, but they were wrong - the masks should last about 8 hours.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 13, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
Thanks for the info. We have a small stack of the masks so I can toss it tonight and use a new one for tomorrow’s commute.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on November 13, 2018, 08:27:53 PM
An hour?! I don't think that's correct. If they are properly fitted (providing a good seal) a mask certified N95 will certainly filter particles for the day. I've read studies in the past that showed anywhere from 2% to 50% decrease in efficacy after one WEEK (if I'm remembering right they were measuring daily wear in Beijing).

I believe most industries that require N95 wear also require changing them daily primarily for liability reasons. My hospital requires changing as we do any other mask (when leaving the sterile room) but I've worn them for at least 8 hours in a tuberculosis-positive case, and we are extremely conservative when it comes to possible pathogen exposure.

Changing them multiple times a day would add up $ fast!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2018, 06:01:19 AM
Poor Bay Area air quality broke my 4 week streak of riding. I rode last Friday and it didn't feel like the brightest thing to be doing. I could tell I was a little more winded than usual, so I took that a sign my body was trying to tell me to degrease my chain, wash the frame, disassemble my bike and try to drill out a rusted stainless steel screw in the front fork so I can mount fenders for the future rainy days.

One news station was saying those N95 masks are only functional for about an hour.

Very, very important to unscrew things from the frame and add a little dab of grease on the threads at least once a year.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 14, 2018, 08:09:19 AM
An hour?! I don't think that's correct. If they are properly fitted (providing a good seal) a mask certified N95 will certainly filter particles for the day. I've read studies in the past that showed anywhere from 2% to 50% decrease in efficacy after one WEEK (if I'm remembering right they were measuring daily wear in Beijing).

I believe most industries that require N95 wear also require changing them daily primarily for liability reasons. My hospital requires changing as we do any other mask (when leaving the sterile room) but I've worn them for at least 8 hours in a tuberculosis-positive case, and we are extremely conservative when it comes to possible pathogen exposure.

Changing them multiple times a day would add up $ fast!
I tried to do some searching online about how long they are good for. I only found a bit about using them in areas with infectious disease and it was saying similar: 8 hours or every shift.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on November 14, 2018, 10:44:14 AM
An hour?! I don't think that's correct. If they are properly fitted (providing a good seal) a mask certified N95 will certainly filter particles for the day. I've read studies in the past that showed anywhere from 2% to 50% decrease in efficacy after one WEEK (if I'm remembering right they were measuring daily wear in Beijing).

I believe most industries that require N95 wear also require changing them daily primarily for liability reasons. My hospital requires changing as we do any other mask (when leaving the sterile room) but I've worn them for at least 8 hours in a tuberculosis-positive case, and we are extremely conservative when it comes to possible pathogen exposure.

Changing them multiple times a day would add up $ fast!
I tried to do some searching online about how long they are good for. I only found a bit about using them in areas with infectious disease and it was saying similar: 8 hours or every shift.
Thanks for the info. I corrected my earlier post and added the 8 hour estimate. Good to know they may last longer. I'm not sure if things change while exercising:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/well/move/on-your-bike-watch-out-for-the-air.html
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“Our preliminary data shows that many bicyclists are getting a bit over half of their daily air pollution dose in only 6 to 8 percent of their day during their daily commutes,”

But just as important as the level of pollution in an area is the effort exerted by a bicyclist to pedal through it. “We know that just walking we are breathing in two to three times the air as we are when we are sitting,” Dr. Chillrud explained. Cycling and other strenuous activities like jogging and playing basketball boost the volume of air — and therefore the particulates — that we are inhaling. Dr. Jack, for example, breathes in roughly 8 liters of air per minute when he is resting; when he cycles that volume soars to 70 liters. Biking hard, uphill or fast increases one’s pollution intake still further.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 14, 2018, 10:53:39 AM
An hour?! I don't think that's correct. If they are properly fitted (providing a good seal) a mask certified N95 will certainly filter particles for the day. I've read studies in the past that showed anywhere from 2% to 50% decrease in efficacy after one WEEK (if I'm remembering right they were measuring daily wear in Beijing).

I believe most industries that require N95 wear also require changing them daily primarily for liability reasons. My hospital requires changing as we do any other mask (when leaving the sterile room) but I've worn them for at least 8 hours in a tuberculosis-positive case, and we are extremely conservative when it comes to possible pathogen exposure.

Changing them multiple times a day would add up $ fast!

Good to know. I should remember to pick some of these up over the winter so I'll have them ready for next summer. Sadly, "smoke season" has become pretty predictable here.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on November 14, 2018, 11:07:09 AM
Good question re: exercise and mask filtration. I'm not panting as much scrubbing a case as I am on my bike :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 14, 2018, 11:27:19 AM
I’m taking it a bit easier on the bike this week and not pushing myself to accelerate it always go too speed. It probably is a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but may help a bit. It is also a bit uncomfortable to wear the face mask so I’m not having as much fun as I normally do.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2018, 11:39:00 AM
It sounds like altitude training.  Restricting the oxygen that your body gets during exercise actually forces it to use oxygen more efficiently (provided you're not passing out from hypoxia) . . . so the masks are actually making you stronger cyclists.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on November 14, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Alternatively, just take a whole bunch of EPO, as it hugely increases your body's efficiency in utilising oxygen.*

*for the love of all that is good in the world, don't take a whole bunch of EPO.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 14, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
Alternatively, just take a whole bunch of EPO, as it hugely increases your body's efficiency in utilising oxygen.*

*for the love of all that is good in the world, don't take a whole bunch of EPO.

I will leave you with two quotes from Tour de Pharmacy:

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In the autopsy, they found Juju was on EPO and cocaine, also some Insulin and Anabolic Steroids, Oxabolone, and, then Nandrolone, trace amounts of Norethandorlene and Furazabol.

They even found some Heroin in his system.

There was also Letrozole, Cyclazadone, some Estrogen Receptor Modulators, Raaloxifene and Tamoxifen, probably to ward off breast growth.

A lot of Oxycodone in his blood.

Phentermine, as well, Ortemamine, Bunolol, Lobatealol.

Plus, apparently he had hopped Ethanol and taken a couple of MDAs.

He clearly smoked some Crystal Meth and Crack and there was a Hormone from monkey testicles that he had cooked down into a broth that he drank.

He also had apparently eaten at least one sandwich at Arby's.


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People dope! Yeah, they risk their lives. But, you know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line and dozens of fans that well - Stakes are medium!


:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 15, 2018, 03:35:36 PM
Two cool things happened yesterday:

1. I received emails stating that they were offering a new parking lottery for some reserved spots that would rotate among lucky winners in my division.  If you wanted, you could opt out.  I quickly responded and told them that I have no need for their filthy parking space lottery.  Might as well give it to clown car slaves.

2. Someone self-identifying as "The Bike Fairy" left a bag of free bike stuff on my (and all other) handlebars, thanking me for bike commuting.  Not trying to sell anything, just an anonymous good deed from someone who must've spent several hundred dollars on this endeavor.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 15, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
The bike fairy is a lovely idea! What did you get?

On my commute this morning several cars and a bus were stopped because a tree had fallen over and was blocking half of a narrow road. I hopped up onto the sidewalk and bypassed the whole mess. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 16, 2018, 10:31:14 AM
Very, very important to unscrew things from the frame and add a little dab of grease on the threads at least once a year.  :P
I'm not sure that every year is vital, but the grease does help prevent dissimilar metals from forming bonds over time. I learned this when I needed to replace the bottom bracket on my aluminum frame bike about 20 years ago (also learned not to lay a bike down on its side especially for transport). It took an impact wrench to get my old one off and I got the advice about greasing the threads. I've certainly allowed more than a year between bottom bracket removals, but I always make sure there's some grease there when I put it back together.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 16, 2018, 11:40:42 PM
The bike fairy is a lovely idea! What did you get?

On my commute this morning several cars and a bus were stopped because a tree had fallen over and was blocking half of a narrow road. I hopped up onto the sidewalk and bypassed the whole mess. :)

Hmm...got a rear blinking light, some hand warmers, a CO2 valve and some canisters, and some sort of massage/therapy ball. 

Yeah, I've had a few commutes where I've been able to bypass a big snarl of cars due to construction, accidents, or whatever.  I try to keep the smugness off my face, and keep it strictly matter-of-fact outwardly.  Inside, I'm always thrilled.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 17, 2018, 01:10:17 PM
Hmm...got a rear blinking light, some hand warmers, a CO2 valve and some canisters, and some sort of massage/therapy ball. 

Yeah, I've had a few commutes where I've been able to bypass a big snarl of cars due to construction, accidents, or whatever.  I try to keep the smugness off my face, and keep it strictly matter-of-fact outwardly.  Inside, I'm always thrilled.
One route home for me involves passing over a multi lane highway where it goes below a surface street.. I usually think of the motorists as suckers as it's usually clear that I'm traveling faster than most of them (usually the motorists are traveling faster than me in the morning though).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixwings on November 19, 2018, 09:42:34 PM
Got hit by a car on my way home today. First time. There was a line of cars trying to pull out of a parking lot, as I neared I couldnt make eye contact with the driver or see if they were looking at me, I started to apply brakes but too late, she pulled out as I was passing and hit me. Wasn't too bad on me. I recognized it was happening and jumped off my bike landing on her hood and bouncing to the pavement. I got up and am fine with a minor scrape on my elbow and my ankle is a little sore (but not enough to bother me, I walked my dog this eve). My bike is wrecked though. I got all the info from the person, they were probably more shaken up than me! Very apologetic etc. Someone I know was a couple cars back and came out to help me and gave me a lift home. Apparently the guy behind the car that hit me was being really obnoxious and honking and revving his engine probably pressuring the car that hit me to pull out without looking properly.

I am going to go to the doctor tomorrow morning before making any insurance claims. Good thing I was biking pretty slowly and was being cautious about the car or it could have been way worse. Maybe I can get some insurance $$$ out of it and a newer bike. I'll buy more lights too.

It's probably going to be a while before I can bike again which sucks a lot. Parking at work is $5-8/day (depending on how early I get there) and the bus stops are really inconvenient. Oh well.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on November 20, 2018, 12:03:24 AM
Got hit by a car on my way home today. First time. There was a line of cars trying to pull out of a parking lot, as I neared I couldnt make eye contact with the driver or see if they were looking at me, I started to apply brakes but too late, she pulled out as I was passing and hit me. Wasn't too bad on me. I recognized it was happening and jumped off my bike landing on her hood and bouncing to the pavement. I got up and am fine with a minor scrape on my elbow and my ankle is a little sore (but not enough to bother me, I walked my dog this eve). My bike is wrecked though. I got all the info from the person, they were probably more shaken up than me! Very apologetic etc. Someone I know was a couple cars back and came out to help me and gave me a lift home. Apparently the guy behind the car that hit me was being really obnoxious and honking and revving his engine probably pressuring the car that hit me to pull out without looking properly.

I am going to go to the doctor tomorrow morning before making any insurance claims. Good thing I was biking pretty slowly and was being cautious about the car or it could have been way worse. Maybe I can get some insurance $$$ out of it and a newer bike. I'll buy more lights too.

It's probably going to be a while before I can bike again which sucks a lot. Parking at work is $5-8/day (depending on how early I get there) and the bus stops are really inconvenient. Oh well.

This is something that seems to me to be totally reasonable to include in an insurance claim.  This cost is very directly and clearly related to the accident and your resulting inability to continue biking.  Ask your doctor how long until he thinks you will be good as new, and then calculate the number of work days that covers and the associated parking fees. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on November 20, 2018, 04:17:32 AM
@sixwings,   Hope you feel better soon!   Get lots of pictures and document the injuries well... It might also be possible there's video if it was at an intersection that the city can provide if you have a case filed or the driver had a ticket for the accident...  worth checking at least?   No insurance company wants to see a well organized plaintiff...  and bet they'll settle rather than have you parade the video/photo/medical details in court on a "car vs. cyclist" accident.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 20, 2018, 06:34:45 AM
I’m sorry this happened to you and very glad it was as minor as it was.

This reinforces my new route to work that is a mile longer but keeps me mostly out of main roads and intersections in favor of neighborhood streets and trails.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 20, 2018, 08:39:42 AM
@sixwings,   Hope you feel better soon!   Get lots of pictures and document the injuries well... It might also be possible there's video if it was at an intersection that the city can provide if you have a case filed or the driver had a ticket for the accident...  worth checking at least?   No insurance company wants to see a well organized plaintiff...  and bet they'll settle rather than have you parade the video/photo/medical details in court on a "car vs. cyclist" accident.
Definitely file a police report.

Insurance claim should include replacement cost of your bike, any medical costs incurred, and transportation costs (including parking) incurred for trips that you would have biked during the time your were not able to bike. I'd itemize these then add on something for your injuries (much harder to set a value on, so there might be some back and forth between you and the insurance on this item). Do your best to document everything as quickly as possible, but take your time to put together your claim to ensure you have missed any damages.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 20, 2018, 10:00:06 AM
@sixwings,   Hope you feel better soon!   Get lots of pictures and document the injuries well... It might also be possible there's video if it was at an intersection that the city can provide if you have a case filed or the driver had a ticket for the accident...  worth checking at least?   No insurance company wants to see a well organized plaintiff...  and bet they'll settle rather than have you parade the video/photo/medical details in court on a "car vs. cyclist" accident.
Definitely file a police report.

Insurance claim should include replacement cost of your bike, any medical costs incurred, and transportation costs (including parking) incurred for trips that you would have biked during the time your were not able to bike. I'd itemize these then add on something for your injuries (much harder to set a value on, so there might be some back and forth between you and the insurance on this item). Do your best to document everything as quickly as possible, but take your time to put together your claim to ensure you have missed any damages.

I'm so sorry you were hit. That's awful.

Ditto the advice to file a police report. It'll make the insurance claim go more smoothly and ensures there's a record of a cyclist accident at that location. Perhaps there's something the city can do at that spot to make it safer.

When you're shopping for a new bike, tell the shops it's an insurance replacement and how much you have to spend. I did this years ago when my nicer bike was stolen from our house. I was able to get an even nicer bike (last years model on clearance), plus a bunch of other gear, for the claim amount.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixwings on November 20, 2018, 07:56:47 PM
Thanks everyone! I filed a police report for the insurance claim and went to the doctor today. Doctors visit went well, went to a walk-in clinic and was in and out in a hour, he poked me in a few places and I got some x-rays done. Nothing broken or torn so that's good. My ankle was bothering me slightly (uncomfortable to run on but fine to walk on), he said it's just a light sprain and it feels much better now.  It looks like I walked away with a broken bike and a few minor scratches so I'm pretty grateful for that.

I'll probably file my insurance claim tomorrow, I live in BC Canada so the insurance company I have to deal with is ICBC and they are horrendously stingy and litigious.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on November 21, 2018, 01:10:07 PM
Did my semiannual bulk purchase of bike equipment on Monday evening: I needed new tyres and tubes, and while I was at it I opted to add a foldaway multitool (which will go into the emergency kit I carry in a bottle cage) and a full set of bike tools (which will definitely not be going into the emergency kit). I want to get comfortable enough working on my bike that I eventually become fully self-sufficient - that's still some time away, but I'm feeling optimistic. Every time something goes wrong, I try to fix it myself before I bring it to a mechanic, and the toolkit should help widen the range of tasks I can do myself.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on November 25, 2018, 08:53:14 PM
I biked past a major traffic jam this morning and felt very happy as I bypassed several lanes of snarled traffic. It helped that it was sunny and cool today, and the air quality was half-decent. I've been consistently biking 3-4 times per week, and I've noticed that I get less out of breath and do not need to use the electric assist as much. I can now do the 8.5 km ride to DD's school without using the assist (even with 40 lb DD on the bike), and am now working to do the 16 km ride to work from her school without assist, which involves a couple pretty steep bridges. Biking is now my "chill" time and I thoroughly enjoy the time to unwind before and after work, as long as it's not raining.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 25, 2018, 10:44:27 PM
I love feeling obnoxiously superior as I whizz past stopped traffic. Loved your update, @Freedomin5.

I have also noticed myself getting less out of breath each trip, except for the one big hill with no bike lane that I feel pressured to climb as fast as possible so I don't hold up traffic too much. Muscle soreness is a bigger problem as the week progresses than cardio/full body tiredness. I guess we'll see how I do this week after Thanksgiving break, though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on November 27, 2018, 04:11:17 AM
Love seeing the cold weather isn't slowing this crowd down...   Had a bit of a breakthrough ride now just about 2 months in...   My first ride was a whopping 3 miles on a fairly hilly gravel road and I was totally gassed...   This past weekend though... 15.9 miles and felt great!   Admittedly, it was a flat and relatively easy greenway trail, but it was night and day better.   Didn't hurt there was 12lbs less of me on the bike this time as well!

Key investments that helped:  Very lightweight black silk head cover/balaclava that fits under my bike helmet to cover my head and neck.   Best $20 I've spent for cold weather as it fends off the wind, but still breathes well.   Found a nice high visibility yellow bikers jacket for $33 after reading sixwings story...   It's snug to cut down wind resistance with a long tail to cover my bum, but it also emphasizes my need to ride the bike more to lose weight in certain areas (the gut has to go, just sayin').   Also starting to connect in to the cyclists scene in my area...  though that will need a serious upgrade in bike and conditioning to keep up with those guys...   Typical rides are 35-45 miles for that crowd in under 3 hours...   Seems light years away; but at this rate of improvement, who knows?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 27, 2018, 08:55:48 AM
You also ride way faster in a group than solo.  When you're riding solo, you're eating wind all the time.  When you're in a paceline you're eating wind only occasionally, and the rest of the time you're sheltered behind someone else.  It's about a third less effort sitting close on someone's tail.  You just have to make sure they don't drop you on the hills if you're heavier.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on November 27, 2018, 11:00:00 AM
Any continue to bike to work through blizzard conditions?

I posted the pic earlier about biking through snow, but it was light flurries then.  The blizzard in Chicago yesterday ended my streak of 20 consecutive work days of biking, as I had to take the bus to work.  Ugh, I was so disappointed.   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 27, 2018, 11:55:01 AM
I will bike quite happily through falling and blowing snow, but Toronto is pretty quick about snow removal from the roads.  It's rare that I'm going through more than a couple inches on the road.  You do have to modify how you ride . . . don't use the front brake as much as usual, be very careful of your weight on the bike, when turning do so very gingerly, go slower than usual (and leave more time to stop), try to stay in the ruts that cars make in the snow for better traction, etc.  It's kinda like riding a bike through loose sand.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on November 29, 2018, 05:03:35 AM
You also ride way faster in a group than solo.  When you're riding solo, you're eating wind all the time.  When you're in a paceline you're eating wind only occasionally, and the rest of the time you're sheltered behind someone else.  It's about a third less effort sitting close on someone's tail.  You just have to make sure they don't drop you on the hills if you're heavier.  :P

Good insight on the group riding / wind resistance aspects...  I committed to dropping 25 lbs, then the reward of a new bike with the gearing and tire setup that will let me keep up with the group in my area.   My buddy with the shop assures me the gearing and tire differences on a decent road setup will give me double or triple the efficiency and mileage along with the group-ride wind resistance benefits.  But for now, the old bike is doing it's job to burn off the weight in fewer miles.   Hmmm... should I maybe add pulling a trailer of rocks to improve my "inefficiency" level so I can go bike shopping sooner?  ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on November 29, 2018, 06:15:32 AM
Just wanted to say I decided not to bike today. The pic was taken this morning on our subway ride. The windows were perfectly clean. That foggy film is the AIR outside. That’s what an AQI of 200 looks like. After about 5 minutes outside without an N95 mask, your lungs start to burn, you feel dizzy and slightly nauseous, and you start to have difficulty breathing. I decided I’m not THAT hardcore of a cycler to be willing to ride through that air for an hour.

BTW, I apologize if the pic looks super huge on your screen. I simply attached it from my phone. No idea how to resize it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on November 29, 2018, 07:21:55 AM
Just wanted to say I decided not to bike today. The pic was taken this morning on our subway ride. The windows were perfectly clean. That foggy film is the AIR outside. That’s what an AQI of 200 looks like. After about 5 minutes outside without an N95 mask, your lungs start to burn, you feel dizzy and slightly nauseous, and you start to have difficulty breathing. I decided I’m not THAT hardcore of a cycler to be willing to ride through that air for an hour.

BTW, I apologize if the pic looks super huge on your screen. I simply attached it from my phone. No idea how to resize it.

Pic doesn't look huge at all.  And I think deciding not to bike in those conditions is a bit like the difference between frugal and cheap.  There's a time where *not* biking is the right choice just as there is a time where not taking the cheapest option is the right choice. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DS on November 29, 2018, 08:41:13 AM
Just wanted to say I decided not to bike today. The pic was taken this morning on our subway ride. The windows were perfectly clean. That foggy film is the AIR outside. That’s what an AQI of 200 looks like. After about 5 minutes outside without an N95 mask, your lungs start to burn, you feel dizzy and slightly nauseous, and you start to have difficulty breathing. I decided I’m not THAT hardcore of a cycler to be willing to ride through that air for an hour.

BTW, I apologize if the pic looks super huge on your screen. I simply attached it from my phone. No idea how to resize it.

Pic doesn't look huge at all.  And I think deciding not to bike in those conditions is a bit like the difference between frugal and cheap.  There's a time where *not* biking is the right choice just as there is a time where not taking the cheapest option is the right choice.

Yeah in the long run you'd pay more for breathing that. Wild picture.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 29, 2018, 10:26:51 AM
Gross.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 29, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
Just wanted to say I decided not to bike today. The pic was taken this morning on our subway ride. The windows were perfectly clean. That foggy film is the AIR outside. That’s what an AQI of 200 looks like. After about 5 minutes outside without an N95 mask, your lungs start to burn, you feel dizzy and slightly nauseous, and you start to have difficulty breathing. I decided I’m not THAT hardcore of a cycler to be willing to ride through that air for an hour.

BTW, I apologize if the pic looks super huge on your screen. I simply attached it from my phone. No idea how to resize it.

Gross. I don't bike either when the air quality is bad. And our "bad" air quality is simply from summer forest fires, so it's not nearly as toxic as that smog.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 29, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
It's important to remember what a place largely devoid of enforced pollution controls looks like every time someone rails against the heavy burden of regulations.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 29, 2018, 11:49:45 AM
That air looks dreadful. My air was like that just over a week ago due to the worst wildfires in CA history that were raging. I biked anyway with an N95 mask (need physical activity for mental health) but riding with a mask isn’t lovely. Obviously better than the alternative though. I have so much more sympathy for people who have to live
In that nonsense on a regular basis. Just 1.5 weeks in that air and I was noticeably unhappier and my poor kids stuck indoors were stir crazy.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 29, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
It's important to remember what a place largely devoid of enforced pollution controls looks like every time someone rails against the heavy burden of regulations.
Amen.

If it is freedom you want to talk about, there are few things more fundamental than being able to walk out your front door and breath outside. Not being able to do that feels like being in prison for me.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on December 01, 2018, 08:03:22 PM
@Freedomin5    Looks like a scene of the future from Blade Runner...    So sorry you have to shorten your life living in that.   Hoping that the people and government finally realize the terrible price and take actions to improve your city's environment!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 03, 2018, 09:39:40 AM
My car didn't start last week when I wanted it to pick up the kids in the rain (after cycling home from work).  Jumped it the next day and drove it around to charge...dead again when I checked later, but didn't have time to get to the store to buy/install a new one. 

I sort of shrugged and figured that I don't need a car to get through the week; I'll get around to it next weekend.  Times have definitely changed.

The only tricky part will be walking the kids home in the rain twice this week!  Have to make sure to have a couple of umbrellas and rain boots handy for them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on December 06, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
So, it's my turn to ask about weather accommodations. Here in Southern California, December means that it is raining for the first time in months, and I have no idea how to bike in it. Do I accept getting soaked and change clothes at work? Do I just throw on a poncho? Do I need to do any particular care for my chain or other bike parts when they get wet? The bike is sheltered from rain but not from humidity on both ends of the commute.

In the new year, I'd like to see how many days I can go without riding in a car. I haven't made it more than a week so far.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 06, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
So, it's my turn to ask about weather accommodations. Here in Southern California, December means that it is raining for the first time in months, and I have no idea how to bike in it. Do I accept getting soaked and change clothes at work? Do I just throw on a poncho? Do I need to do any particular care for my chain or other bike parts when they get wet? The bike is sheltered from rain but not from humidity on both ends of the commute.

In the new year, I'd like to see how many days I can go without riding in a car. I haven't made it more than a week so far.
I’m in the Bay Area so figuring out the same stuff. :) I’m still working it out exactly how to do this, but it seems that a rainproof top jacket is crucial. I wear running/yoga pants and then change into jeans when I get to work. So far it is working all right though I haven’t biked in pouring rain the entire ride. I sort of count on the rain letting up once the sun comes up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 06, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
Any really waterproof jacket will end up cooking you, so you're covered in sweat.  Just get wet.  Put your clothes in a plastic bag so they don't get wet, change into the dry stuff after your ride to work.  Having fenders makes riding in the rain (or even just on wet roads) an awful lot less miserable.

Keep your chain oiled or it will rust.  Take apart and grease and lube your bike (Brake pivots, bottom bracket, seat post, pedal hubs, wheel hubs, headset, etc.) every year so that things don't rust into place.  Have a regular schedule to replace your shifter and brake cables/housings (once every year or so).  Check chain wear, as it tends to go bad faster in wet gritty conditions.  Pay attention to your brake pads (they will grind down much faster when you're riding in the wet all the time).  You do all of this (which sounds like much more work than it actually is) and you'll have no mechanical issues with riding in the rain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 06, 2018, 10:46:44 AM
Interesting. So far I have only ridden with “waterproof” top layers which are old enough to be anything but. I figured I need to replace them with something in better shape. Perhaps not?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 06, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
I ride year round in the PNW. GuitarStv is correct that there's an inverse relationship between waterproof and breathable. I used to just get wet. In So Cal it's probably warm and wet, which means being wet isn't much of a risk. Just put a light rain jacket on and change your pants when you get there.

Shoes are more of a PITA. Either get some waterproof shoes (carry dry socks for when you get there), or get some neoprene shoe covers to wear over your shoes to keep dry.

Here it can be cold and wet. My solution lately has been to wear a sortof breathable, but quite waterproof jacket one size too big and that has lots of venting built in (pit zips and a back vent). When it's cold I wear layers underneath and open the vents as required. The fact that it's too big gives me even more ventilation.

One of the biggest issues with rain is that it makes it harder for cars to see you. Whatever you wear, make it bright. Put your lights on and remember that half the cars on the road can barely see you because they have crappy wipers and can't figure out how to defog their windows.

I use a chain cleaner tool and citrus degreaser on my chain once a week when it's wet. The road grit sticks to it like crazy when it's wet and heavy rain actually washes the lube off your chain as you ride. I use a heaver lube designed for wet conditions. However, this lube is stickier, so it makes the grit problem worse. Hence the frequent cleaning schedule. I don't take everything apart the way GuitarStv does. We don't have salt corrosion here so rust hasn't been an issue for me. My chains stretch out long before they rust.

If you have rim brakes, KoolStop pads are the best option for stopping when it's wet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 06, 2018, 11:28:42 AM
I second Kool stop.  I'm a big fan of their black and salmon mountain type V-brake pads (they work fine on road bikes with V-brakes or modern cantilevers.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 06, 2018, 03:10:17 PM
So, it's my turn to ask about weather accommodations. Here in Southern California, December means that it is raining for the first time in months, and I have no idea how to bike in it. Do I accept getting soaked and change clothes at work? Do I just throw on a poncho? Do I need to do any particular care for my chain or other bike parts when they get wet? The bike is sheltered from rain but not from humidity on both ends of the commute.

In the new year, I'd like to see how many days I can go without riding in a car. I haven't made it more than a week so far.

Fellow SoCal resident, riding in the rain for the first time as well.  It's actually not generally warm and wet here, because it doesn't really rain when it's warm (unless you consider 40s-50s and raining warm; I don't, and I'm from the midwest).  That's not to say that sweating under waterproof clothes isn't potentially an issue.  I'm riding an e-bike, so I have less of a sweating concern.

Today was my first day of commuting through really heavy rain; there were a few days of light rain before, or where the heavy rain missed my commute times.  I did buy booties to go over my dressy work shoes, and they seem to be working ok.  I also bought a very light rain suit that works when it's drizzling or for a bit more warmth/windbreaking, but decidedly not in real rain.  I may buy an actual waterproof jacket after that experience this morning. 

Definitely want to light up; my morning commute is in the dark most of the year anyhow, so I'm used to that.  I'm using a bright headlamp (1100 lumens), rear blinking leds on both the bike and my helmet, and a blinking armband. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 06, 2018, 06:27:42 PM
So, it's my turn to ask about weather accommodations. Here in Southern California, December means that it is raining for the first time in months, and I have no idea how to bike in it. Do I accept getting soaked and change clothes at work? Do I just throw on a poncho? Do I need to do any particular care for my chain or other bike parts when they get wet? The bike is sheltered from rain but not from humidity on both ends of the commute.

In the new year, I'd like to see how many days I can go without riding in a car. I haven't made it more than a week so far.

Fellow SoCal resident, riding in the rain for the first time as well.  It's actually not generally warm and wet here, because it doesn't really rain when it's warm (unless you consider 40s-50s and raining warm; I don't, and I'm from the midwest).  That's not to say that sweating under waterproof clothes isn't potentially an issue.  I'm riding an e-bike, so I have less of a sweating concern.

Today was my first day of commuting through really heavy rain; there were a few days of light rain before, or where the heavy rain missed my commute times.  I did buy booties to go over my dressy work shoes, and they seem to be working ok.  I also bought a very light rain suit that works when it's drizzling or for a bit more warmth/windbreaking, but decidedly not in real rain.  I may buy an actual waterproof jacket after that experience this morning. 

Definitely want to light up; my morning commute is in the dark most of the year anyhow, so I'm used to that.  I'm using a bright headlamp (1100 lumens), rear blinking leds on both the bike and my helmet, and a blinking armband.

-8 C this morning (17 F) with a driving wind.  I'd consider 40-50 degrees in the rain pretty warm.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 06, 2018, 07:12:42 PM

-8 C this morning (17 F) with a driving wind.  I'd consider 40-50 degrees in the rain pretty warm.  :P

My statement was in response to TrMama's supposition that when it rains in SoCal, it's warm.  I'm not going to claim that we have cold winters here, but we don't generally have warm, rainy days.  I'm pretty sure it wasn't raining where you were. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mountain mustache on December 06, 2018, 08:44:14 PM
I'm definitely in the camp of "if it's raining, I'm getting wet." I hate riding in a rain jacket. I have a fancy gore-tex "breathable" just for bike riding jacket, and I still hate wearing it. I still end up pretty much soaked eventually, if I ride for long enough and if it's raining hard enough, plus sweating like crazy in the jacket.  So I pretty much just go out with a soft shell if it's chilly, and my normal riding clothes. If I'm commuting to work, I have dry clothes/shoes in my waterproof backpack/panniers, and I just towel off and change at work. Stuff newspaper in my shoes, and if you've got a little space heater at your desk, they can get pretty dry in a work day! I used to freak out about riding in the rain ( I live in CO, it doesn't rain much here!) but one Spring it rained every day for about 45 days...it was either stay inside, or get used to the rain. It was cold, rainy, and my shoes were literally wet for the entire 2 months, but I learned to enjoy it and basically stopped wearing any waterproof gear because I got sick of feeling like I was riding in a trash bag all the time. (I also train/race bikes, so I was riding a ton.)

Oh, also, Lots of companies are making super cheap, flexible plastic fenders that zip tie/velcro onto forks and seatposts...these are great to catch a lot of the annoying spray that gets glasses/butts wet in super wet conditions. I even had a friend make one out of one of those cheap flexy plastic cutting boards for $2.00!

On the bike maintenance point, clean/dry your chain every night if it's wet outside. Apply chain lube ( I love Dumonde Tech) and then in the morning before riding, wipe it off with a towel. Super easy.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 07, 2018, 02:45:28 PM

-8 C this morning (17 F) with a driving wind.  I'd consider 40-50 degrees in the rain pretty warm.  :P

My statement was in response to TrMama's supposition that when it rains in SoCal, it's warm.  I'm not going to claim that we have cold winters here, but we don't generally have warm, rainy days.  I'm pretty sure it wasn't raining where you were.

My bad. 40-50F is 4-10C. The lower end of that certainly qualifies as cold. Just because it gets colder elsewhere, doesn't mean the Californians can't also wear rain gear.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: moof on December 07, 2018, 03:19:19 PM
-8 C this morning (17 F) with a driving wind.  I'd consider 40-50 degrees in the rain pretty warm.  :P
The coldest, most miserable looking lot I have ever seen were a friends visiting Philipino family members on a 55F sunny day in Norther California in August.  Growing up in Alaska we considered anything in the 30's during Spring to be T-shirt weather.

Cold can be quite relative, and anything below what you regularly deal with can feel unbearable.

Similarly, SoCal folks surely snicker when they see those from the Great White North melt and shutdown on a 110F summer day.

Edit:  My ride this morning was -1C and mild winds.  I was wearing a thin pair of tights and a long sleeve shirt with an old rain coat as a wind breaker.  Once I got going it I was pretty happy with my clothing choices.  Cold weather clothing requirements are pretty minimal for active excercise.  Bar Mitts are the schiznit both in rain and <45 F temps.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on December 07, 2018, 03:30:06 PM
Similarly, SoCal folks surely snicker when they see those from the Great White North melt and shutdown on a 110F summer day.

Coastal SoCal rarely gets above 90 degrees, and people here whine when it does. It's one of the most temperate climates on Earth. Now, drive an hour east into the desert and you'll discover heat. I went camping out there in August once to see the Perseids - it was 90F at night and I believed myself to be cool. We were awoken by intolerable heat before 6AM.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 07, 2018, 03:47:04 PM
That is the downside of living in the Bay Area: it is so consistently mild that I can not tolerate anything over about 75*F or below 45*F. At least with cold you can put on more clothes. With heat all you can do is complain. :) Ditto for humidity, bugs, and other indignities climates in other areas throw at people. Every time i travel for work I come home with a renewed appreciation for what we have here.

Bunch of wimps, the lot of us.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on December 07, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
The coldest, most miserable looking lot I have ever seen were a friends visiting Philipino family members on a 55F sunny day in Norther California in August.
55F a decent low temperature in Northern California in August, but I can't picture a sunny day holding onto such a temperature for more than a few hours after sunrise.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on December 10, 2018, 08:54:56 PM
It's been miserable in the southeast with rain and cold and it's flippin' dark at 5:30 at night so no bike rides last weekend.   Suffering withdrawal symptoms.   My bike looks so sad waiting just inside the garage...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 10, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
I took my bike in for maintenance today. What a difference cleaning and new chain and brakes make! No more squeaking and there is definitely less friction in the system.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on December 11, 2018, 06:32:21 AM
It was rainy and cold today and 43F in Shanghai today. Wore a turtleneck sweater, Uniqlo vest, winter coat, and a cheap PVC poncho. It was dark by 5:00 PM. I still biked to work today because it was the quickest way to get to work. The subway flooded because Chinese construction + a week of rain = overloaded sewage system, so many people took surface transportation today. This meant that there were traffic jams and traffic accidents everywhere. Since subway was not an option, and taking the bus would mean over an hour stuck on a crowded bus in snarled, honking traffic, I decided the most efficient way to get to work on time was to bike through light but bitingly cold rain and wind. Took about 45 minutes (typically a 35 minute ride).

That poncho usually turns me into a big sweaty mess most days, but works really well when it’s freezong cold. I also wore it biking home in the dark, not because it was raining but because it was so cold. Just turned on my headlight and taillight and zipped home in around 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 11, 2018, 07:29:47 AM
Headwind of about 20 kph with gusts to 30 or so with temperatures around -5 this morning.  Should make for a fun ride back if the winds hold!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on December 19, 2018, 09:52:29 AM
It's been miserable in the southeast with rain and cold and it's flippin' dark at 5:30 4:30 at night so no bike rides last weekend.   Suffering withdrawal symptoms.   My bike looks so sad waiting just inside the garage...

I fixed that for you.  ;)  There is no such thing as commuting without lights in WI.  Generator hubs are quite popular here among commuters for this reason.  Dark in the morning till 7ish, dark by 4:30.  At least the days will start getting longer soon.  I'm sure there are folks in CA or AK that have it even worse for hours of daylight.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 19, 2018, 10:14:52 AM
Yeah, official daylight hours here are 8:05am to 4:20pm. Lately there's also driving rain, so it never really seems to get light out.

I'll still take this over the dark days we had when living in QC. The sun goes down at 3:30 there.

Today, I forgot to pack dry socks. Currently rocking some loafers, without socks. The ones I wore to ride in this morning got soaked through my neoprene shoe covers. I think it was riding through the massive puddles that did it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 19, 2018, 10:37:09 AM
I had such a glorious ride in this morning! It really puts me in a good mood to start my day.

Cool but not cold. Overcast with dry roads. The rainy season is here so everything is beautiful and green. Maybe people are starting the holidays early because there were fewer cars in the road than usual. Overall it felt awesome.

I’m sorry others are struggling with darkness and cold. You are all much braver than me, for sure.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 19, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
The darkness and cold has it's own beauty.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on December 19, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
It's been miserable in the southeast with rain and cold and it's flippin' dark at 5:30 4:30 at night so no bike rides last weekend.   Suffering withdrawal symptoms.   My bike looks so sad waiting just inside the garage...

I fixed that for you.  ;)  There is no such thing as commuting without lights in WI.  Generator hubs are quite popular here among commuters for this reason.  Dark in the morning till 7ish, dark by 4:30.  At least the days will start getting longer soon.  I'm sure there are folks in CA or AK that have it even worse for hours of daylight.
By CA I take it you mean the international two letter country abbreviation (not sure what situations it is standard to capitalize both letters in that system, not the two letter US state postal abbreviation standard matching the other abbreviations use. Even here in CA, USA it is dark for at least part of most people's commutes in each direction right now.

I have an early work schedule, so my commute starts in the dark as early as late September, but I usually get home before the end of civil twilight for all but a few weeks of the year. The worst combination of lighting and traffic conditions for me occurs when the setting sun causes glare for drivers I am approaching (oncoming cars turning left, or cross traffic from the left) making it harder for them to see me. This frequently occurs during my bike commutes in November and January. If we switched to year round DST, I'd always get home before the end of civil twilight and the setting sun issue would be greatly reduced (but I'd lose the 2 week reprieve from starting my morning commute before civil twilight that I get after the time change in November and again just before the time change in March).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wbarnett on December 20, 2018, 08:08:17 AM
Thanks everyone! I filed a police report for the insurance claim and went to the doctor today. Doctors visit went well, went to a walk-in clinic and was in and out in a hour, he poked me in a few places and I got some x-rays done. Nothing broken or torn so that's good. My ankle was bothering me slightly (uncomfortable to run on but fine to walk on), he said it's just a light sprain and it feels much better now.  It looks like I walked away with a broken bike and a few minor scratches so I'm pretty grateful for that.

I'll probably file my insurance claim tomorrow, I live in BC Canada so the insurance company I have to deal with is ICBC and they are horrendously stingy and litigious.

I'm not very litigious, but insurance companies in the US are notorious for low-balling settlement payouts for bicycle accidents. I have read dozens of stories of large, monolithic insurance companies offering a very low payout on the initial offer. It might be worth consulting with a lawyer before you file a claim.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 20, 2018, 09:20:24 AM
Going home yesterday afternoon the part of my route that goes along the Bay was a little buggy. Sometimes, perhaps when the tide is low, these little gnats come out. One of them managed to fly directly into my eye. For some reason this time it really stung. I barely kept myself together to screech to a halt, rio my glove off, and start digging around in my eye. I finally got that sucker out but the one eye is still a bit red today.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DoNorth on December 20, 2018, 09:35:07 AM
i moved to southwest france about 8 months ago and started biking to work about 4 months ago (first time ever commuting to a job by bike).  From my house, it's 2.5 miles mostly uphill the way there and downhill back.  More than half of it is in a designated bike lane (starts on the road and then moves to a sidewalk bike lane)  It's a pretty straight forward commute although the round abouts can be a little tricky if I'm about to enter the round about or already in it and someone is coming up fast on my flank.  I do shift work so i work 9-9 some months/days and others nights.  Regardless, one leg of my commute is always in the dark. I use a flashing red/blue/purple LED light on the back and a bright white LED on the front.  I think I'm going to add a helmet light to the mix soon.  I ride a hybrid so its tough enough to handle cobblestone, but still gets me there in about 20 minutes.  Definitely economical in a place where gas is about $7-$8/gallon!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on December 20, 2018, 09:39:12 AM
I'm not very litigious, but insurance companies in the US are notorious for low-balling settlement payouts for bicycle accidents. I have read dozens of stories of large, monolithic insurance companies offering a very low payout on the initial offer. It might be worth consulting with a lawyer before you file a claim.
I expect insurance companies in the US to low-ball settlement payouts for any claim that doesn't have hard numbers behind it. Certainly the insurance won't include things like added cost of your commute because you can no longer bike during recovery. They might be fairly reasonable about replacement costs for physical damage to the bike and shouldn't have any difficulty accepting responsibility for medical bills charged to you for your injuries (I have no idea if health insurance goes after the liability insurance for covered costs of treatment - but I think they should). Beyond that, you'll likely have to fight them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 20, 2018, 10:12:28 AM
Since I have multiple lights, I think I stand out better in the dark than during dusk.  Doesn't bother me too much.  I also have a very early work schedule, so even in SoCal my morning commute is in the dark outside of June/July.  These days I'm also using lights during my ride home from 4-4:30 pm, though it's not quite dark yet (sunset officially 4:47 pm today). 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 21, 2018, 09:27:58 AM
Discovered a new benefit of bike commuting last night. You'll have lots of extra lights on hand for when the power goes out. Hooked my extra bright front light onto the kitchen cabinet pull so I could see well enough to cook dinner last night. Then used the less bright one to read before bed.

Note to self: Buy more batteries and candles . . .
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DeniseNJ on December 25, 2018, 07:39:04 PM
Hi, just bought a bike and have been reading this thread since i know nothing. Put my cruiser together and bought all the little accessories. Got a helmet that isn't super dorky or super hero looking. Haven't ridden it yet. Haven't ridden in over 30 yrs so I'll be testing this in my driveway this weekend. I can't ride to work, but im hoping eventually to ride to the train. I live in NJ and work in downtown NYC--which should be against the law but I really didn't know how stupid this would be until i was here for a few years. I'm so excited to have my bike and to find this thread.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on December 26, 2018, 09:09:35 AM
For Christmas, I was gifted the World's Loudest Bike Horn. Uncertain how useful this will be...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 26, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
For Christmas, I was gifted the World's Loudest Bike Horn. Uncertain how useful this will be...
Haha!

I go back and forth on the horn. I like that mine is polite because I ring it a lot overtaking people on the trail. But then when a car cuts me off I want a big loud horn.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DeniseNJ on December 26, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Are bike short just spandex shorts or are you guys talking about those padded butt pants?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 26, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
Usually people are referring to “butt pants”, as my husband calls them. I got to the point of just wearing running pants now that I am used to my saddle.

I went to my husband’s work today on our day off just to have a quiet space where we could work and talk about personal finance stuff. I convinced him to ride with me instead of drive. It was great except for on the way there he swerved to avoid a squirrel crossing the road. I couldn’t swerve fast enough and I hit the poor thing. It ran away but I feel bad thinking about the damage it must be suffering now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 27, 2018, 08:55:24 AM
It was great except for on the way there he swerved to avoid a squirrel crossing the road. I couldn’t swerve fast enough and I hit the poor thing. It ran away but I feel bad thinking about the damage it must be suffering now.

So sorry to hear about the squirrel. Poor little thing.

I would use the hell out of a super loud bike horn. Is it an air horn? It'd be great for when people try to use the bike lane as a right hand turn lane, and then end up stopped in it because it's not actually wide enough for that. Annoys the heck out of me when I get stuck behind them. HONK!

Or when I'm in the left hand turn lane at a red light at the final intersection before my house and the cars turning left from the other direction are nearly hitting me because they're cutting the corner too close. Normally I just shine my bright front light in their eyes, but if I had a horn, HONK!

Or every time a driver passes me with only inches to spare. HONK!

Perhaps it's best I not get a horn ;-)

This week the discount grocery store I usually go to kindly installed a second, more secure bike rack. Yay! Sometimes when I shop on the weekends the bike rack is full. I end up trying to lock to whatever outdoor displays they have that week.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 27, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
I’m suffering a painful flare up of something like carpel tunnel right now that I attribute to a combo of the handle on my bike being twisted at a bad angle and me dinging my bell too frequently ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 29, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
Bought myself a bike trailer.  I had been lusting after one that would actually work with my hub-mounted e-bike (Burley Travoy), but couldn't pull the trigger.  Then, someone gave me $100 towards a bike trailer for Christmas.  Still had to pony up $100 after finding it on sale, but I've been really trying to move to a bike-centric life, and this should help; can hopefully do full grocery trips instead of the partial trips and smaller errands I've been doing (limited by what will fit in my panniers and occasionally a backpack). 

I was hoping to find one used, but people just don't seem to let these things go.  They only one I've found was probably stolen merchandise, missing several normally included parts, and a high price on top of it. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 31, 2018, 06:26:42 PM
Bought myself a bike trailer.  I had been lusting after one that would actually work with my hub-mounted e-bike (Burley Travoy), but couldn't pull the trigger.  Then, someone gave me $100 towards a bike trailer for Christmas.  Still had to pony up $100 after finding it on sale, but I've been really trying to move to a bike-centric life, and this should help; can hopefully do full grocery trips instead of the partial trips and smaller errands I've been doing (limited by what will fit in my panniers and occasionally a backpack). 

I was hoping to find one used, but people just don't seem to let these things go.  They only one I've found was probably stolen merchandise, missing several normally included parts, and a high price on top of it.

I found the same thing when I bought my well used trailer several years ago. I'm pretty sure it wasn't (recently) stolen, however it had been used by the owner's teens to haul around  their dog. No matter, I immediately threw out all the fabric bits anyway. I'm pretty sure the dog smell is the only reason it was under $100. It's a PITA to store, but it does hold an enormous amount of groceries. It's also good for hauling home all the free stuff people leave out on the street.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 31, 2018, 08:38:55 PM
I feel really fortunate that I got a very decent bike trailer for free on FB marketplace last year. I haul my girls around in it all the time now and there is even a little “trunk” I can fit a bag of groceries in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 02, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
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I left my bike parked outside last night. Today it was covered in frost when I went out to start my commute. The frosty helmet was, well, frosty when I put it on. Brrr
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 03, 2019, 04:18:30 PM
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I left my bike parked outside last night. Today it was covered in frost when I went out to start my commute. The frosty helmet was, well, frosty when I put it on. Brrr
It's been cold in the Bay Area, in the 30's each morning I leave my place. I feel like I pedal slower in cold weather.

Can you store your bike indoors anywhere? Somehow I've gotten my wife conditioned to allow mine to be kept the living room at home. My boss hasn't mentioned any problems with keeping it on top of a filing cabinet in my cube at work either.

Next week we have wet roads to look forward to.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 03, 2019, 07:06:00 PM
I’m in the Bay Area too. :)

I do have a shed I normally store it in. I had just left it outside out of laziness. I didn’t last night!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 04, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
Pondering 2019 biking goals. I'm thinking at least 75% of commutes by bike. I'm also curious to see how long I can go without driving. A week should be doable, beyond that we'll see!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 07, 2019, 08:04:06 AM
Hey folks: I'm alive. Haven't posted in like 3 years. Used to bike commute 9 miles each way in the Gulf South.

I got laid off 2 years ago (so didn't need to commute) and since then, got a job 25 miles away a year ago.

25 miles each way is a bit too far for me, unfortunately. I mean, I could physically do it, yeah. But 90 minutes commute on top of working 9 hours and an hour lunch... that means I'd be out the house for 13+ hours every day. And I'd have to get up at 4:00 to leave before 5, because I have to be at work for 6:30.

Now, I know you're probably thinking this sounds like whining, but I've done the bike commute for years. I've done 60+ milers in sub-freezing weather. This is as much a confession and an encouragement as anything else.

I might entertain the idea of commuting again, but it would take a LOT of sacrifice of time.

Does anybody else do 25+ mile commutes? What's your setup look like? What's your average time? How long is your workday?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on January 07, 2019, 08:38:30 AM
The rains are back in SoCal (and I'm back to work after a 2-week hiatus, ugh), and I'm pleased to note that my new rainproof biking jacket actually works!  Could probably use waterproof gloves still, but I'm not sure if it's worth a purchase for the ~10 times a year I'll have to ride in the rain.  So far, my hands are not getting too cold even when wet in my current gloves. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dogboyslim on January 07, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
Does anybody else do 25+ mile commutes? What's your setup look like? What's your average time? How long is your workday?

Not sure the rules of mentioning other forums, so if this is a no-no, mods, feel free to remove this post.  There is a commuter (https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting/) sub-forum to a bicycle discussion forum where you might get more traction on this particular topic.  25 is a long way.  You could always do the bike drive approach.  Drive to work with bike in/on car.  Bike home leaving car at work.  Bike back to work, drive home etc.  Makes it more doable, but still has challenges and assumes you have a car and can leave it at work.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 07, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
Does anybody else do 25+ mile commutes? What's your setup look like? What's your average time? How long is your workday?

Not sure the rules of mentioning other forums, so if this is a no-no, mods, feel free to remove this post.  There is a commuter (https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting/) sub-forum to a bicycle discussion forum where you might get more traction on this particular topic.  25 is a long way.  You could always do the bike drive approach.  Drive to work with bike in/on car.  Bike home leaving car at work.  Bike back to work, drive home etc.  Makes it more doable, but still has challenges and assumes you have a car and can leave it at work.

Best of luck!

Thanks, hadn't posted in a while, and didn't see the sub-forum right away... can delete if needed, sorry!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 07, 2019, 10:08:16 AM
Usually people are referring to “butt pants”, as my husband calls them. I got to the point of just wearing running pants now that I am used to my saddle.

I went to my husband’s work today on our day off just to have a quiet space where we could work and talk about personal finance stuff. I convinced him to ride with me instead of drive. It was great except for on the way there he swerved to avoid a squirrel crossing the road. I couldn’t swerve fast enough and I hit the poor thing. It ran away but I feel bad thinking about the damage it must be suffering now.

Give them wide berth.  Squirrels are just about the perfect size to get stuck in your spokes and then jammed in your front fork.  Launching you over the handlebars.  Don't ask me how I learned this.
Title: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 07, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
I try to give them a wide berth now. Ill admit that every time a little creature stirs somewhere close to my bike my hearts skips a little beat. Thy are fast, they always seem to move orthogonally to my direction of motion, and on an ebike im moving pretty fast.

***

@FunkyStickman: On the question of a 25-mile commute: dude, the fact that you are even contemplating that is bad-ass. My thought went immediately to ebike. I have the pleasure of riding one to work and it is awesome. Zippy acceleration, top speed of 28 mi/hr (though I haven’t built myself up physically yet to reach that speed), it makes it possible for me to bike to work wheels otherwise I could fit in the time. I have my battery charging in my desk here at work right now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 07, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
FunkyStickMan I have an acquaintance who commutes that distance using a lightweight road bike. Takes her about an hour. I don't know what her work situation is (clothing etc) - I've just seen a lot of strava photos with commutes of 24-26 miles :) The area of our metro where she lives an hour by bike is almost certainly faster than driving if she's working normal hours.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 07, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
Give them wide berth.  Squirrels are just about the perfect size to get stuck in your spokes and then jammed in your front fork.  Launching you over the handlebars.  Don't ask me how I learned this.
Never thought about the potential for such a collision. I'd say that just like with traffic, being predictable would be a benefit. I'm sure the squirrel isn't interested in being run over by (or caught in the spokes of) a bike; so a sudden swerve when you are close to the squirrel seems as likely as not to cross the path it decides to take to evade.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 07, 2019, 12:56:02 PM
Give them wide berth.  Squirrels are just about the perfect size to get stuck in your spokes and then jammed in your front fork.  Launching you over the handlebars.  Don't ask me how I learned this.
Never thought about the potential for such a collision. I'd say that just like with traffic, being predictable would be a benefit. I'm sure the squirrel isn't interested in being run over by (or caught in the spokes of) a bike; so a sudden swerve when you are close to the squirrel seems as likely as not to cross the path it decides to take to evade.

I've taken to loudly yelling at them, as I approach . . . which usually gets them to stop (in my experience this has also worked for deer, chipmunks, and coyotes . . . ineffective with turtles, frogs, and large aggressive dogs.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 07, 2019, 01:44:22 PM
Give them wide berth.  Squirrels are just about the perfect size to get stuck in your spokes and then jammed in your front fork.  Launching you over the handlebars.  Don't ask me how I learned this.
If you have bladed spokes you could sharpen them. Slight weight reduction, uncoated steel would rust though... you'd go through the wind and squirrels a easier. Slice vegetables with your wheels at home or on the road?

Seriously though, that's a gruesome discovery.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on January 07, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
Squirrels are no joke.  I know some people who were seriously injured (major broken bones, etc) from a run in with a squirrel.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 10, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
Accrued enough Amazon points to get that TM-1 Spoke Tension Meter. It's a pretty neat tool, even if it isn't super precise. Good to know my spoke tension is balanced along with my wheels being true. Not sure what to save up for next... WAG-4? DAG-2.2? I like being my own bike mechanic. Seems like a worthy thing to fund.

Other specialty tools I'd recommend:
Spin Doctor Truing Stand
CN-10 Cable and housing cutter
Harbor Freight 1/4in drive Torque Wrench (only think that stinks is converting from Nm to in-lbs)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 10, 2019, 08:25:27 PM
Accrued enough Amazon points to get that TM-1 Spoke Tension Meter. It's a pretty neat tool, even if it isn't super precise. Good to know my spoke tension is balanced along with my wheels being true. Not sure what to save up for next... WAG-4? DAG-2.2? I like being my own bike mechanic. Seems like a worthy thing to fund.

Other specialty tools I'd recommend:
Spin Doctor Truing Stand
CN-10 Cable and housing cutter
Harbor Freight 1/4in drive Torque Wrench (only think that stinks is converting from Nm to in-lbs)

Chain measuring gauge, chain whip and the gizmo you use on the other side of the wheel to get the rear cassette off. Also, chain breaking tool. And a tool box to keep all the bits and pieces in. Basically I've been buying tools as I need them. However, I was looking at tool kids last night and realized I've have been better off to just buy a kit since it's cheaper than buying tools piecemeal.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on January 11, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
Does anybody else do 25+ mile commutes? What's your setup look like? What's your average time? How long is your workday?

My commute is not that far, but it's pretty far.  It's about a 32 mile round trip.  I try to do it 2-3 times a week once the weather is nicer and it can definitely be draining.  I am also single, so the time commitment isn't an issue.  I couldn't imagine trying to do this with a family.

I think your best bet would be to drive part way and bike commute the rest.  Slowly stretch out the bike miles until you find your sweet spot. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on January 11, 2019, 09:58:42 AM
Yesterday, rode in Chicago weather, 16F, equal to about -9C, which would be a new low for me. 

It was clear, but just cold. 

Today was only my 3rd day biking in 2019, mainly due to snow rather than cold.  Also had a few airports trips around work I had to make. 

There are 251 working days for me in 2019, not counting vacation days.  My goal is 200/251 days biked for 2019.  I will remove 1 day from both numerator and denominator for each vacation day I take. 

So far I'm only 3/8 after two weeks.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 11, 2019, 10:45:07 AM
Cross-posting an update from my journal. My goal is to bike commute 75% of the time, so I'm not quite there yet.

I'm at a 40% for biking to work in my first week. I usually feel genuinely upbeat at the end of the commute, but I can't quite convince myself of that immediately BEFORE the commute, when I'm sleepy and chilly. I suspect this has to do with biking still not truly being a habit for me, since I'm still trying to rationalize my way out of it - and since I do have a backup option that means I'm never FORCED to bike. (That backup option often lengthens Boyfriend's commute, though, so it's not exactly fair to rely on it often.)

I missed the first two days of this week cause I didn't want to bike with cramps, so at least that should be solved next week. Not sure if the weather* will hold, though.

*my weather complaints being a >50% chance of rain with temps in the low sixties. I acknowledge the superior baddasity of all winter cyclists.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 11, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
Does anybody else do 25+ mile commutes? What's your setup look like? What's your average time? How long is your workday?

My commute is not that far, but it's pretty far.  It's about a 32 mile round trip.  I try to do it 2-3 times a week once the weather is nicer and it can definitely be draining.  I am also single, so the time commitment isn't an issue.  I couldn't imagine trying to do this with a family.

I think your best bet would be to drive part way and bike commute the rest.  Slowly stretch out the bike miles until you find your sweet spot.

I test rode an ebike last weekend and was blown away by how fast I was able to go with basically no effort. If I were contemplating a really long commute like yours an ebike would be high on my list of "needs". Lots of shops around here will rent them to you for a week. You could try something like that to see if it's a feasible option for you before committing.

On that note, has anyone put their teen on an ebike? Any problems with them riding dangerously?

DH and I are seriously considering this as an option for our kids in the next few years. Oldest is currently only 12 and is quite old enough to be out unsupervised regardless of transportation mode. However, she won't be able to legally drive alone until she's 17 here, which is way too many more years of car based chauffeuring for my taste.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 11, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
Yesterday, rode in Chicago weather, 16F, equal to about -9C, which would be a new low for me. 

It was clear, but just cold. 

Today was only my 3rd day biking in 2019, mainly due to snow rather than cold.  Also had a few airports trips around work I had to make. 

There are 251 working days for me in 2019, not counting vacation days.  My goal is 200/251 days biked for 2019.  I will remove 1 day from both numerator and denominator for each vacation day I take. 

So far I'm only 3/8 after two weeks.

I love the idea of keeping track of the fractional days choosing a Mustachian travel option. I'll see if I can keep track this year as well. So far I'm 4/5 using the bike and public transportation. 80% seems like a reasonable goal, in that there are typically some days I more-or-less have to drive.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 11, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
On that note, has anyone put their teen on an ebike? Any problems with them riding dangerously?
Some teens are much more likely to do dangerous things than others. Does your daughter ride a regular bike responsibly? Has she learned to anticipate and mitigate potential hazards as she rides (becomes more important at higher speeds)? If you're satisfied that she knows how to handle herself on an ordinary bicycle, there is little chance that adding a moderate electric assist will change her basic skills and approach to riding. For a child, I'd favor pedal assist with moderate limits to power and speed.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 11, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
A bike with a middrive motor is really hard to ride recklessly, more than usual at least. They ride just like a regular bike, it just feels like you have easier gears.

The assist doesn't necessarily change good or poor cycling habits.

--somehow I missed robartsd's post, but that, exactly. If anything when I've talked with my son and in my own riding, my e-bike makes us each a more conservative and safer rider, because it's dead easy to fully stop at lights when I can give myself a little boost off the stop, compared to riding my other bike where I am trying to conserve as much energy as possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on January 11, 2019, 03:07:00 PM
It might be worth it for stickman to check into an e-bike, but I already have two very nice road bikes and I like the exercise, so I'm sticking with my long commute on a regular bike.  I actually enjoy myself most of the time!  :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 11, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
It might be worth it for stickman to check into an e-bike, but I already have two very nice road bikes and I like the exercise, so I'm sticking with my long commute on a regular bike.  I actually enjoy myself most of the time!  :)

I'm still thinking about it. Probably will hold off for now, due to time constraints... but I may give it a run on a weekend just to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 14, 2019, 12:55:48 PM
I adore the ebike i am on. The program my work has lets me borrow it for six moths, the first three with a 19mi/hr limiter in place. Now I can go 28mi/hr, though in practice I rarely get up to 25 mi/hr.

That said, for a teen I would look I to a limited. 19mi/hr is still a ton of fun and makes for a very decent transportation method while being a little safer. I feel safer than on a regular bike mostly because I can accelerate with the normal flow of traffic, so I feel I can fit in to the flow if I need to use a real lane if a bike lane isn’t available.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 21, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
Quick update: mapped out my route, and it's actually only 21.5 miles. Seriously thinking about diving back in...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 21, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
I’m on business travel this week and can’t bike. It sucks! The commute from the hotel to the factory is 1.5 hours each way on the bus. I am going crazy and it is only day #2. Those of us who can bike are so privileged.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 21, 2019, 04:10:09 PM
Pro Tip: When it's time to rebuild the drive train on your winter bike and you want to DIY for the first time, wait for the weather to be nice enough to use your summer bike.

I started taking my winter bike apart last week and quickly realized I was in just a bit over my head. Took me until Sunday evening to get it all back together again. Plus, I had to drive to work twice last week. Horrors! And there were 3 trips to 2 different bike shops to get parts, tools and advice.

On the bright side, it runs so much better! Now I just need to clean my "summer" bike. It's caked in sand and road grit from the 3 days I used it to commute.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 21, 2019, 05:57:56 PM
What is different about a winter bike versus a summer bike?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 21, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
What is different about a winter bike versus a summer bike?

"Winter" bikes are usually built to ride in nasty weather. Fenders, wider tires, sometimes internal gear hubs. Can also be used to describe your "beater" bike you don't mind getting nasty.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 21, 2019, 07:23:03 PM
My winter bike and summer bike are one and the same. For me it just means different cleaning requirements - snow and salt and slush wiped off the half frozen chain in winter; sand and mud wiped off the chain in summer :)  I keep my bike inside, though, which does make a difference in harsh winter weather especially.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 21, 2019, 07:37:15 PM
That was probably a naive Californian-type question. ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 21, 2019, 08:48:14 PM
That was probably a naive Californian-type question. ;)

I'm in southern Louisiana... it's only winter here for about 4 weeks. Only snows every 10 years or so.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 21, 2019, 09:41:38 PM
It has snowed exactly once in my lifetime. My mother woke us all up early to see it and it melted as soon as the sun rose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on January 22, 2019, 09:37:09 AM
I'm in the midst of being taught a valuable biking lesson - my skin is not invincible. 

Months of riding with a balaclava, tossing it down after the ride, never washing it...then a week of very rainy weather, soaking the balaclava, wearing a soaked balaclava while biking and still never washing it...

So, now I have a fungal skin infection.  Initially, I thought that it was contact dermatitis, but after seeing it spread a bit from the back of my neck despite no further stimuli, it definitely seems to be fungal.  I do not recommend this approach. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 22, 2019, 10:17:06 AM
What is different about a winter bike versus a summer bike?

For me personally?

- Cheaper components that can be replaced as the salt eats them
- Heavy flat proof tires with a little tread
- Full fenders
- Bar end shifters (they can be operated with heavy gloves/mitts . . . regular STI type shifters can't).
- Waterproof grease used on everything (headset, wheel bearings, bottom bracket, bottle holder screws, etc)
- Reflective tape everywhere

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 22, 2019, 10:18:13 AM
That was probably a naive Californian-type question. ;)

LOL. Sorry for the confusion. It rarely snows here either, but it does rain quite a bit and there's lots of sand and grit on the roads. Riding on wet roads transfers all that grit onto your drivetrain and brake pads (if you have rim brakes). So all those parts wear out much more quickly in the winter.

My summer bike is a carbon road bike that's more expensive to maintain in winter conditions. The winter bike is built with much cheaper parts so replacing them isn't so painful.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 22, 2019, 05:47:16 PM
Why would you want little tread on the tires of a winter bike?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 23, 2019, 09:20:46 AM
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Why would you want little tread on the tires of a winter bike?

Smooth tires are perfect for tarmac when it's dry or wet.  Bikes don't hydroplane, and there's less rolling resistance with less tread pattern usually.  When there's snow and slush down on top though (or wet mud and sometimes sand can also have this issue), it doesn't grip at all.  You'll just end up spinning your rear tire as you try to take off from lights at intersections, and will have more difficulty turning without losing the front wheel.  On the other side though, there's rarely enough snow on our roads to merit big knobby mountain bike tires . . . and using them when there isn't enough snow down they feel very squirmy (as well as rolling very poorly, requiring you to do way too much work to maintain speed).  That squirmy feeling happens because the treads are making minimal contact with the road as you cycle along . . . they are a lot less stable when taking a corner fast.

A little bit of tread pattern gives you just enough traction to deal with some snow between your tires and the road if you get caught in a storm, but doesn't have the grip problem when cornering on dry road.  Also, it's miserable enough cycling in the winter, no way to I want to voluntarily add rolling resistance to a 14 mile commute each way.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 23, 2019, 09:44:27 AM
Oh - I guess I do make changes to my bike for the winter. I have full fenders year-round. For winter I switch to studded tires and use a dry chain lube. We also have a number of shops that do winter maintenance plans - a subscription service where they'll maintain your drivetrain and check shifting, brakes etc as often as you want, which I did my first year biking to work (two years ago). 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 24, 2019, 08:45:56 AM
We also have a number of shops that do winter maintenance plans - a subscription service where they'll maintain your drivetrain and check shifting, brakes etc as often as you want, which I did my first year biking to work (two years ago).
Sounds like a way for shops to keep busy during the off (for many) season.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 24, 2019, 09:16:13 AM
The train I take to work just added a station 4 miles from my house, so I can start biking. I am going to an ebike shop next weekend to test one out.

My main concern is the bike being stolen from out front of my downtown office building. People have cut my chains and stolen nice bikes twice in my life (I've also had two vehicles broken into, so I may just have bad luck), so I'm nervous about having nice things.

Four miles is (in my opinion) about an ideal distance for pedaling. On a decent road bike, and assuming minimum hills, you can probably cover this distance in about 15-20 minutes. This will be enough to get a decent workout in without being a sweaty mess (at least in the morning).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 24, 2019, 09:53:19 AM
I live in a very hilly area, and my bike is a single speed. I don't mind the workout, but I sweat very easily, which won't work in an office environment. However, since I don't want to blow $1k on an ebike without even checking to see if my current road bike will work, I will try it a couple times first. Google Maps does put it at a 20 minute ride, which is only a couple minutes more than what my previous driving time was at the old station.

Single speed in a hilly area? Definitely due for an upgrade. In all Mustachian seriousness. I bought my road bike from Nashbar for about $200 several years ago, and it has served me very well. It doesn't look like Nashbar still sells Nashbar branded road bikes, and the ones they have (Fuji) are more expensive these days ($350 for what looks like the exact bike I bought five years ago). Of course, you could always go Craigslist but that can be a crapshoot if you don't know bikes too well.

Given the hilliness in your area, four miles might make sense for an electric. Don't want to get too sweaty before work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 24, 2019, 09:53:46 AM
The train I take to work just added a station 4 miles from my house, so I can start biking. I am going to an ebike shop next weekend to test one out.

My main concern is the bike being stolen from out front of my downtown office building. People have cut my chains and stolen nice bikes twice in my life (I've also had two vehicles broken into, so I may just have bad luck), so I'm nervous about having nice things.

Making your bike harder to steal than average is your best protection.  Invest in a heavy U-lock and cable at minimum.  Leave the lock/cable attached to the stand at work so you're not hefting it around all the time because if it's heavy enough to be .  Ensure that the front wheel, rear wheel, and frame are all secured soundly.

(https://sfbike.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Locking-Techniques-Rear-Triangle-Thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 24, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
The train I take to work just added a station 4 miles from my house, so I can start biking. I am going to an ebike shop next weekend to test one out.

My main concern is the bike being stolen from out front of my downtown office building. People have cut my chains and stolen nice bikes twice in my life (I've also had two vehicles broken into, so I may just have bad luck), so I'm nervous about having nice things.

Making your bike harder to steal than average is your best protection.  Invest in a heavy U-lock and cable at minimum.  Leave the lock/cable attached to the stand at work so you're not hefting it around all the time because if it's heavy enough to be .  Ensure that the front wheel, rear wheel, and frame are all secured soundly.

I've got #1 down and I will invest in a cable lock to achieve #2 as well. I have to lock my bike at home as well as at work, though, so I do tote it around everywhere.

So far I've lost small accessories (lights I forgot to remove) to thieves, but nothing over $20 in value.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 24, 2019, 10:33:36 AM
The train I take to work just added a station 4 miles from my house, so I can start biking. I am going to an ebike shop next weekend to test one out.

My main concern is the bike being stolen from out front of my downtown office building. People have cut my chains and stolen nice bikes twice in my life (I've also had two vehicles broken into, so I may just have bad luck), so I'm nervous about having nice things.

Making your bike harder to steal than average is your best protection.  Invest in a heavy U-lock and cable at minimum.  Leave the lock/cable attached to the stand at work so you're not hefting it around all the time because if it's heavy enough to be .  Ensure that the front wheel, rear wheel, and frame are all secured soundly.

I've got #1 down and I will invest in a cable lock to achieve #2 as well. I have to lock my bike at home as well as at work, though, so I do tote it around everywhere.

So far I've lost small accessories (lights I forgot to remove) to thieves, but nothing over $20 in value.

If you're regularly using your bike, it's probably worth buying a second lock for home.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 24, 2019, 10:35:01 AM
The train I take to work just added a station 4 miles from my house, so I can start biking. I am going to an ebike shop next weekend to test one out.

My main concern is the bike being stolen from out front of my downtown office building. People have cut my chains and stolen nice bikes twice in my life (I've also had two vehicles broken into, so I may just have bad luck), so I'm nervous about having nice things.

Making your bike harder to steal than average is your best protection.  Invest in a heavy U-lock and cable at minimum.  Leave the lock/cable attached to the stand at work so you're not hefting it around all the time because if it's heavy enough to be .  Ensure that the front wheel, rear wheel, and frame are all secured soundly.

I've got #1 down and I will invest in a cable lock to achieve #2 as well. I have to lock my bike at home as well as at work, though, so I do tote it around everywhere.

So far I've lost small accessories (lights I forgot to remove) to thieves, but nothing over $20 in value.

For only 4mi, have you considered just getting a well used hybrid? This is the route I went. My hope is that an older bike with a scratched up frame will be less attractive to thieves. I then replaced the drive train, so it rides like a new bike, even though it looks like an old piece of crap. It's got lots of granny gears, including an old fashioned triple crank. I'm won't be passing the roadies going downhill, but that's ok. I can just coast downhill so I don't get too sweaty and then I've got lots of low gears to choose from for the uphill stretches.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 24, 2019, 11:25:35 AM
My current bike does look a little older, and Nashville seems to have a lot less stealing than west Texas had. Btw, here is the bike

https://imgur.com/6ODriwy

I can't view the image at work but.... Seriously, if you live in a hilly area and want to enjoy biking, get a bike with gears.* At least a rear cassette, but you can't go wrong with the front crankset as well.

*There are some masochistic fools who enjoy riding without gears. If this is you, ignore my comment and enjoy the pain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 24, 2019, 11:43:45 AM
My current bike does look a little older, and Nashville seems to have a lot less stealing than west Texas had. Btw, here is the bike

https://imgur.com/6ODriwy
Looks like you customized it nicely for yourself though. I was looking at the bars and downtube wondering how you shift, then I saw the rear wheel. Nifty fixie.

Back to Winterizing... I picked up an Ass Saver to put on the end of my saddle and it works really well compared to fenders. Cheap easy solution if you're dealing with occasional rain. Road grit is no joke though. I've been washing my bike once a week to prevent premature wear. Degreasing and re-lubricating the chain is important too. Re-greasing the bottom bracket and headset is also on my to-do list. I want to ride all year, but I don't want to be forced to buy a new bike or pay for new components anytime soon.

For any newbies on indoor trainers, cycling shorts make a difference if riding for 30min+ and feeling uncomfortable. Pedaling out of the saddle every 5 or 10min for 5 or 10sec is also a good trick for staying comfortable.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 24, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Indoor trainers are also inherently less comfortable than cycling outdoors.  :P

I'm happy for 4-5 hours riding outside, but much over an hour on an indoor trainer is quite literally a pain in the ass.  I think that the leaning and changes in elevation of the front end from riding outside spreads around the pressure much better.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 24, 2019, 12:44:07 PM
Indoor trainers are also inherently less comfortable than cycling outdoors.  :P

I'm happy for 4-5 hours riding outside, but much over an hour on an indoor trainer is quite literally a pain in the ass.  I think that the leaning and changes in elevation of the front end from riding outside spreads around the pressure much better.

This has been my experience as well. My wife is always saying "You have a trainer, just ride inside!" But it's not the same... not at all.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 24, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
Indoor trainers are also inherently less comfortable than cycling outdoors.  :P

I'm happy for 4-5 hours riding outside, but much over an hour on an indoor trainer is quite literally a pain in the ass.  I think that the leaning and changes in elevation of the front end from riding outside spreads around the pressure much better.

This has been my experience as well. My wife is always saying "You have a trainer, just ride inside!" But it's not the same... not at all.

I'll third. I'll take shitty weather over the dullness that is a trainer any day. Much of the joy of biking is in the actual movement and traveling, neither of which you can get inside.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on January 24, 2019, 02:49:49 PM
Am I the only person here who has never worn a helmet on a bicycle? I've been hit by a car twice and wrecked countless times, and I can't think of a time when a helmet would have made any difference.

I don't wear a helmet except for mountain biking.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on January 24, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
My helmet is rain snow and windproof and I find myself wishing I had it on during days I wait for the train :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 24, 2019, 04:09:41 PM
Indoor trainers are also inherently less comfortable than cycling outdoors.  :P

I'm happy for 4-5 hours riding outside, but much over an hour on an indoor trainer is quite literally a pain in the ass.  I think that the leaning and changes in elevation of the front end from riding outside spreads around the pressure much better.

This has been my experience as well. My wife is always saying "You have a trainer, just ride inside!" But it's not the same... not at all.

I'll third. I'll take shitty weather over the dullness that is a trainer any day. Much of the joy of biking is in the actual movement and traveling, neither of which you can get inside.

This. I could only stand to ride the trainer when I could also watch a very specific type of video (pro road bike racing, shot from behind so it felt like I was also in the Tour de Wherever). Otherwise, I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon that ride the stupid thing. I was so happy the day I sold it.

Am I the only person here who has never worn a helmet on a bicycle? I've been hit by a car twice and wrecked countless times, and I can't think of a time when a helmet would have made any difference.

I reached my personal lifetime quota of concussions by age 19. I'd happily wear a helmet for just about anything. I never again want to be stumped by the task of how to tie my shoes.

My bike helmet is doubly handy because it has a built in rear blinky light. If drivers don't see the other 2 red blinkies, 2 white front lights or my dorky, reflective yellow jacket then maybe that helmet light will tip them off to please not run me over.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on January 25, 2019, 01:00:56 AM
I know I'm in a minority on this, but I quite like the turbo trainer. It's not as pleasant as an outdoor ride, but an hour on the turbo is worth ninety minutes at least on the road. No freewheeling, no stopping at lights and junctions, and I can go absolutely flat out without worrying about my surroundings.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
I know I'm in a minority on this, but I quite like the turbo trainer. It's not as pleasant as an outdoor ride, but an hour on the turbo is worth ninety minutes at least on the road. No freewheeling, no stopping at lights and junctions, and I can go absolutely flat out without worrying about my surroundings.

It's very good for sustained threshold interval type efforts.  I do believe that it's more time efficient (although much less fun) than riding on the road too.  It's awful for standing and sprinting efforts though, because you can't throw your bike from side to side.  Trying to do standing at all kinda feels weird on a trainer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 25, 2019, 08:18:00 AM
It's very good for sustained threshold interval type efforts.  I do believe that it's more time efficient (although much less fun) than riding on the road too.  It's awful for standing and sprinting efforts though, because you can't throw your bike from side to side.  Trying to do standing at all kinda feels weird on a trainer.

Well, there's always rollers... or a Kinetic Rock-n-Roll that sways side-to-side.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on January 25, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
I got a fancy new smart trainer this winter (facepunch for myself) and am using Zwift and my trainer rides STILL suck.  God, it's so mind numbingly boring!  I can't wait for spring.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 25, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
I'm a fan of sufferfest.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 25, 2019, 09:07:51 AM
I'm a fan of sufferfest.

I have one of their videos. Never did spring for the subscription when they went to those.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 25, 2019, 10:20:19 AM
Zwift encourages me to ride a little more than I would normally and it's a nice alternative hitting the road(or a car) at night. Right now I'm doing 30min sessions on a dumb trainer(Minoura RDA80) with a speed sensor. Pain in the ass at first, but now it's tolerable. I can see the trainer setup from my couch, so it lures me up off of that.

I'd consider adding more miles to my commute home, but going past driveways and cars turning right in front me gets more tiresome and painful than the time on the trainer. Whatever floats boats and puts asses on saddles is fine though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 25, 2019, 12:40:55 PM
Fourth day of biking this week, bringing me up to 6/14 days overall for 2019. The rain last week had me starting out behind, but it's also giving me good motivation to catch up to my goal of 75% bike commutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Money Badger on January 27, 2019, 05:17:47 AM
New bike trailer and Kool Stop pads arrived...   Planning the first ride today with the trailer to Trader Joe's that's now less than a mile from our new house with the "almost" completed wide bike/walking trail our city invested in...   The plot thickens!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 27, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
I live in a very hilly area, and my bike is a single speed. I don't mind the workout, but I sweat very easily, which won't work in an office environment. However, since I don't want to blow $1k on an ebike without even checking to see if my current road bike will work, I will try it a couple times first. Google Maps does put it at a 20 minute ride, which is only a couple minutes more than what my previous driving time was at the old station.

Single speed in a hilly area? Definitely due for an upgrade. In all Mustachian seriousness. I bought my road bike from Nashbar for about $200 several years ago, and it has served me very well. It doesn't look like Nashbar still sells Nashbar branded road bikes, and the ones they have (Fuji) are more expensive these days ($350 for what looks like the exact bike I bought five years ago). Of course, you could always go Craigslist but that can be a crapshoot if you don't know bikes too well.

Given the hilliness in your area, four miles might make sense for an electric. Don't want to get too sweaty before work.

I gave it a dry run today, and I don’t think I’ll be able to use this bike to get to work, at least not until I am in much better shape. Total elevation for the ride was only 138 feet, but the two hills I faced on the ride completely destroyed me.

Also, I was freezing cold (temp is right at freezing) but still sweating through my clothes. I’m just going to have to do it on weekends until I am in better shape and can get a better bike for the ride.

Single speed bikes are great if you live in a very flat area, but are kinda rough if you're going up and down big hills.  It's tremendously easier (and faster) to have a geared bike.

Cold weather cycling is a constant battle between overheating/sweating and freezing.  Make sure you don't wear anything made of cotton (cotton pulls heat away from your body faster than being naked when it's soaking wet).  Wool and synthetic wicking type materials tend to work reasonably well for riding a bike.  You'll figure out a layering strategy eventually . . . but as a place to start:
- have something next to your skin that will pull sweat away
- have something over that that is thick enough to trap some heat
- have something over that to act as a windproof shell
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on January 29, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
Question about headlights...

My Cygolite Metro 400 seems to have crapped out after just 14 months of use. It says it's charged but then dies within 3 minutes of use.

Are these only supposed to last a certain number of charges? It's difficult to find this information, but I've heard 30 charges thrown around on another forum.

I guess my question is... Are they all going to die after 1-2 years of use? And should I purchase a light from a LBS instead of Amazon? I need one to safely ride into work tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 29, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Question about headlights...

My Cygolite Metro 400 seems to have crapped out after just 14 months of use. It says it's charged but then dies within 3 minutes of use.

Are these only supposed to last a certain number of charges? It's difficult to find this information, but I've heard 30 charges thrown around on another forum.

I guess my question is... Are they all going to die after 1-2 years of use? And should I purchase a light from a LBS instead of Amazon? I need one to safely ride into work tomorrow morning.

It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on January 29, 2019, 11:18:24 AM
Moving from 44 miles away to 2.5 miles away this Friday. Will be biking to work on Monday!

At least that's the plan... Looks like it's supposed to be raining pretty good...

Headlight: NiteRider Lumina 1200 Boost (Ordered the cheaper 750 and was given this!)

Taillight: NiteRider Solas 100

I have been using the headlight for a few months now and love the thing. I have been told that I look like a car with a headlight out.

I just got the taillight a few days ago and am very happy with that as well. I can't believe how bright it is though.
I made the mistake of looking directly into it and blinded myself for a minute. Shocked that its < $25.

Also, get this: I was talking to a coworker about starting to bike to work and she suggested getting a bike rack under the covered area outside to our building manager.
That is now in the works!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on January 29, 2019, 12:21:49 PM
Question about headlights...

My Cygolite Metro 400 seems to have crapped out after just 14 months of use. It says it's charged but then dies within 3 minutes of use.

Are these only supposed to last a certain number of charges? It's difficult to find this information, but I've heard 30 charges thrown around on another forum.

I guess my question is... Are they all going to die after 1-2 years of use? And should I purchase a light from a LBS instead of Amazon? I need one to safely ride into work tomorrow morning.

It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.

That's very interesting. Thanks for that.

I ended up biking over to the LBS and bought a Blackburn Dayblazer 400 front and Dayblazer 65 rear (as a backup). Total was like $64 after tax (same price as amazon it seems). Best part was how friendly the interaction was!  :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 30, 2019, 11:44:01 AM
It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.
I like regular AA (or AAA) battery lights too. I run them on NiMH rechargeable cells. I bought a NiteRider MAKO mini and a larger MAKO (don't remember which one) at a LBS a few years back (only AA lights they had available). Currently using the mini because the larger one crapped out on me. I'm considering getting a MAKO 250 or a Planet Bike Blaze 140 SL. I'm also considering a AA (prefer AA because I have many AA NiMH cells on hand but have few spare AAA cells) rear light to mount on my rack - Planet Bike Grateful Red or Serfas Red Stop Sign Light.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 30, 2019, 11:56:07 AM
It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.
I like regular AA (or AAA) battery lights too. I run them on NiMH rechargeable cells. I bought a NiteRider MAKO mini and a larger MAKO (don't remember which one) at a LBS a few years back (only AA lights they had available). Currently using the mini because the larger one crapped out on me. I'm considering getting a MAKO 250 or a Planet Bike Blaze 140 SL. I'm also considering a AA (prefer AA because I have many AA NiMH cells on hand but have few spare AAA cells) rear light to mount on my rack - Planet Bike Grateful Red or Serfas Red Stop Sign Light.

Yep, I run all of mine on rechargeable batteries too.  No need to reinvent the wheel bike light manufacturers . . . AA and AAA are easily available and work great!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on January 30, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
I'm in the "USB Rechargeable" camp and haven't had any problems over the past year or two, but my commute is only ~11mi per day. Lights get charged once a week, never have ran out of juice.

Bontrager lights pop up second hand on eBay from time to time. Mine are the non-transmitter versions, so they don't automatically turn on when I start my ride(so barbaric):
Handlebar: Ion 800 R
Seatpost: Flare R
Helmet: Ion 100 R / Flare R City

Added the helmet light to the top of my helmet recently for increased visibility over parked cars. Maybe it makes me look smarter, like I have a lot of bright ideas =P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on January 30, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
It's a little more work to set up, but dynamo headlights are awesome. I rebuilt my front wheel with a $40 Sanyo dynohub, and built my own headlight out of a $3 LED 12V track lighting bulb (about 360 lumens). Tail light is a 12V LED marker light made for trailers. Whole setup was less than $60 and never needs batteries.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on January 30, 2019, 06:09:55 PM
I've lost my front tube, three times in the past four months, to a tear near the valve of the tube. I'm keeping my tires properly inflated. Any tips on identifying the problem so that I can replace fewer tubes?

Still cheaper than gas, I suppose...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 30, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
Check with your fingers for anything sharp and pointy stuck in the tire somewhere.  Stuff can get stuck in the tire and feel perfectly fine unless you really bend it back and forth under your hands.  Also check that your rim tape is covering up the spoke holes and hasn't slipped off enough that the tube can poke in there and puncture.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 31, 2019, 08:52:49 AM
I've lost my front tube, three times in the past four months, to a tear near the valve of the tube. I'm keeping my tires properly inflated. Any tips on identifying the problem so that I can replace fewer tubes?

Still cheaper than gas, I suppose...
Tear at the base of the valve stem usually happens from the valve not being straight through the hole (which is usually because the wheel was ridden on with pressure too low). GS's tips are more for finding the subtle puncture points that might cause a leak slow enough that you might not notice right away. If you've had slow leaks that you keep topping up, but don't straighten the stem if needed when you top up the tire, you could have this problem, but I'd think you'd know what was causing the tear in that situation. If using Presta valves, are you tightening the nut on the valve stem too tight (should just be snug - especially on double wall rims)? I'd also check for the hole in the rim having sharp edges. If you can't identify and problems with your wheel, try stepping up the quality of the tubes you buy - perhaps the brand you're using is not as strong at the stem as it should be.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 31, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
If you can't identify and problems with your wheel, try stepping up the quality of the tubes you buy - perhaps the brand you're using is not as strong at the stem as it should be.

I run fairly high end tubes in all my tires. They're more resistant to punctures and once they're inflated they hardly ever need to be topped up. I find them worth the extra money just for the headaches they save.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bayou Dweller on January 31, 2019, 12:27:26 PM
It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.
I like regular AA (or AAA) battery lights too. I run them on NiMH rechargeable cells. I bought a NiteRider MAKO mini and a larger MAKO (don't remember which one) at a LBS a few years back (only AA lights they had available). Currently using the mini because the larger one crapped out on me. I'm considering getting a MAKO 250 or a Planet Bike Blaze 140 SL. I'm also considering a AA (prefer AA because I have many AA NiMH cells on hand but have few spare AAA cells) rear light to mount on my rack - Planet Bike Grateful Red or Serfas Red Stop Sign Light.

Yep, I run all of mine on rechargeable batteries too.  No need to reinvent the wheel bike light manufacturers . . . AA and AAA are easily available and work great!

That's interesting to see so many people here in support of batteries. I've never had much success with rechargeable batteries, but obviously that would be the way to go with anything battery powered. I don't even own anything battery powered with traditional batteries, that is.

How long do these lights last before you have to replace the batteries? My USB charge-lights are pretty low.. Like 1.5 hours if they're on the brightest setting. 8+ hours if they're blinking.

I've lost my front tube, three times in the past four months, to a tear near the valve of the tube. I'm keeping my tires properly inflated. Any tips on identifying the problem so that I can replace fewer tubes?

Still cheaper than gas, I suppose...


That really sucks, I hope you find a solution for this. My first bike as an adult was my mom's old 1980s Schwinn. I was using it to train for a Triathlon. It kept having the same issue and I never was able to fix it. Talk about infuriating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 31, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
My baby loves to play with the button and the blindly lights on my ebike’s massive battery when I bring it in the house for a charge. She apparently played with it enough that she unplugged it soon after I had plugged it in. I realized this the next morning when I got on the bike to go to the doctors and then work and only had 40% charge.

I made it to work with 14% charge left but the battery had been throttling down the assist it gave me at the end.

Lesson learned to make sure that sucker really is charging.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 31, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
It's always a good idea to support your LBS, but the one near me doesn't carry the lights I want for riding in to work.

For longevity I kinda feel like lights that use regular batteries are going to be best.  I've got a couple Planet Bike Superflash Turbo taillights that take regular AAA batteries and have been in regular usage for about five years now with no issue.  My old  Planet Bike Blaze that takes AA batteries has been around for about the same time and still works well.   I've been less successful with USB charging stuff . . . it seems like these special lithium batteries do have a limited shelf life and it's often hard to find replacements for them if they're replaceable at all.  This is a shame as it's getting a bit harder to find good bike lights that use regular batteries.
I like regular AA (or AAA) battery lights too. I run them on NiMH rechargeable cells. I bought a NiteRider MAKO mini and a larger MAKO (don't remember which one) at a LBS a few years back (only AA lights they had available). Currently using the mini because the larger one crapped out on me. I'm considering getting a MAKO 250 or a Planet Bike Blaze 140 SL. I'm also considering a AA (prefer AA because I have many AA NiMH cells on hand but have few spare AAA cells) rear light to mount on my rack - Planet Bike Grateful Red or Serfas Red Stop Sign Light.

Yep, I run all of mine on rechargeable batteries too.  No need to reinvent the wheel bike light manufacturers . . . AA and AAA are easily available and work great!

That's interesting to see so many people here in support of batteries. I've never had much success with rechargeable batteries, but obviously that would be the way to go with anything battery powered. I don't even own anything battery powered with traditional batteries, that is.

How long do these lights last before you have to replace the batteries? My USB charge-lights are pretty low.. Like 1.5 hours if they're on the brightest setting. 8+ hours if they're blinking.

My superflash turbos run 2 AAA batteries each and lasts 50-80 hrs in blinking mode (cold weather seems to drain batteries sooner).  I recharge the batteries every month or so.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 31, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
How long do these lights last before you have to replace the batteries? My USB charge-lights are pretty low.. Like 1.5 hours if they're on the brightest setting. 8+ hours if they're blinking.

My superflash turbos run 2 AAA batteries each and lasts 50-80 hrs in blinking mode (cold weather seems to drain batteries sooner).  I recharge the batteries every month or so.
Yes, blinking "be seen" lights should last a long time. What about headlights for actually seeing?

NiteRider Mako 250 (brightest AA battery light I can find) has a rated run time of 7 hours on alkaline batteries on the brightest setting (probably closer to 5 hours on NiMH). Many USB charged lights are brighter but have shorter run times. One great thing about using AA rechargeable batteries is that spare batteries are cheap (~2 USD per cell) and easy to pack.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 31, 2019, 06:05:35 PM
How long do these lights last before you have to replace the batteries? My USB charge-lights are pretty low.. Like 1.5 hours if they're on the brightest setting. 8+ hours if they're blinking.

My superflash turbos run 2 AAA batteries each and lasts 50-80 hrs in blinking mode (cold weather seems to drain batteries sooner).  I recharge the batteries every month or so.
Yes, blinking "be seen" lights should last a long time. What about headlights for actually seeing?

NiteRider Mako 250 (brightest AA battery light I can find) has a rated run time of 7 hours on alkaline batteries on the brightest setting (probably closer to 5 hours on NiMH). Many USB charged lights are brighter but have shorter run times. One great thing about using AA rechargeable batteries is that spare batteries are cheap (~2 USD per cell) and easy to pack.

Couldn't tell you to be honest.

My commute is almost entirely on lit roads and city streets.  Being seen is mostly what I'm concerned about.  This year I'm running five lights in the back (two on the bike, three on the backpack) and one or two on the front . . . all blinking crazily out of sync with each other.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on February 04, 2019, 09:09:47 AM
Sadness!  My e-bike is in the shop (not quite literally, since the company I bought from doesn't work with local partners for warranty service; I shipped the rear wheel out).  I had to drive this weekend for grocery shopping, and drove to work today for the second time since June.  Unfortunately, this will be followed by many more car-based commutes over the next couple of weeks at least, since that's the predicted service time. 

I'm even going to need to put gas in the car.  Haven't done that since my (reimbursed) work trip in early November. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on February 04, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Oh, bummer, Arbitrage!  I'm renting a car this coming weekend as I'm on call and have a lot of errands to do (the arrangement has been planned for some time) and it is already making me sad that I'll see gasoline on my budget/spending again :)


For headlights to see the road - I haven't used any battery operated light that gives a good enough beam to see at full speed in the dark without also being mounted at an angle that would blind cars. Dynamo lights with a beam cutoff are my choice; spendier than battery lights for sure but for my type of riding has been a life saver. I've seen potholes and animals on country roads that I would've seen too late with my other lights.

Before I had the dynamo, in commuting traffic I ran a very very bright Light & Motion headlight on steady, mounted on the side of my fork and aimed out a bit further, then on the handlebars a Cygolite on the city mode that has a faint flash every second or so aimed a bit downward, and a Cygolite rear light on blinky. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on February 04, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
This weekend, while running errands by bike I thought the constant lock/unlock cycle would be much less annoying if I had a proximity lock, like in my car. Turns out this has already been invented (so there goes my plan to become a proper millionaire). Does anyone have one of these? Review?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: letsdoit on February 15, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
does anyone here commute on a fixie ? 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on February 16, 2019, 05:16:56 PM
Question about headlights...

My Cygolite Metro 400 seems to have crapped out after just 14 months of use. It says it's charged but then dies within 3 minutes of use.

Are these only supposed to last a certain number of charges? It's difficult to find this information, but I've heard 30 charges thrown around on another forum.

I guess my question is... Are they all going to die after 1-2 years of use? And should I purchase a light from a LBS instead of Amazon? I need one to safely ride into work tomorrow morning.

I have a Lights&Motion Urban 500 headlight, which has a USB rechargeable Li battery. Mine died after about 2 years of daily M-F use. It would say full charge, but then die after about 30s.

I took it apart and replaced the battery - seems the Mustachian thing to do!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on February 17, 2019, 09:10:58 AM
does anyone here commute on a fixie ?

No, but after the last half-hour of readjusting limit screws to properly index my gearing I can certainly see the appeal!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on February 17, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
does anyone here commute on a fixie ?

No, but after the last half-hour of readjusting limit screws to properly index my gearing I can certainly see the appeal!

You shouldn't really have to adjust limit screws to index your gearing.  Limit screws just control how far up/down the cassette your chain can go.  The only thing you should be touching to do indexing is your barrel adjuster.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on February 17, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
This may explain why I ended up spending half an hour on it...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on February 18, 2019, 07:23:41 AM
H/L screw adjustment:
Grab your derailleur cable and pull it by hand until the derailleur has reached the furthest it will go.  Then adjust the L (L for light gear) screw so that the derailleur jockey wheel is lined up directly below the cog at this point.  Unbolt the derailleur cable and adjust the H (H for hard gear) screw so that the derailleur jockey wheel is lined up below the cog.  Then bolt your cable back on (pull it tight enough that there's no slack, but not so tight that the derailleur moves from the smallest to second smallest cog) and pretty much never touch the screws again.

Indexing:
Shift to the second hardest gear.  Then shift to the third hardest gear.  If it doesn't shift easily, tighten the barrel adjuster until it does.  If it shifts too easily, loosen the barrel adjuster.  Once you can go from 2nd to third hardest and back smoothly, go up and down the cassette a couple times and make a one or two notch adjustment if necessary, but it should be pretty close to perfect.

It used to take me forever, but after discovering the above method I can usually re-index after replacing a cable in less that 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 18, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I'm imminently planning on buying a bag that will clip to my bike rack so I don't have to deal with a bungee net 4x per day. Anything I should consider beforehand?

Here's what I'm looking at - I already have the same-brand rack so I picked this for compatibility: https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72 (https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on February 18, 2019, 07:51:37 PM
I'm imminently planning on buying a bag that will clip to my bike rack so I don't have to deal with a bungee net 4x per day. Anything I should consider beforehand?

Here's what I'm looking at - I already have the same-brand rack so I picked this for compatibility: https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72 (https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72)

We got Ortliebs. They're expensive but flawless. They come in a pair so I took one and husband took one.
 
I would suggest you think about waterproofing. A shocking amount of water gets flung into my non-waterproof bag, even during a light drizzle.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on February 18, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
I'm imminently planning on buying a bag that will clip to my bike rack so I don't have to deal with a bungee net 4x per day. Anything I should consider beforehand?

Here's what I'm looking at - I already have the same-brand rack so I picked this for compatibility: https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72 (https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72)

I have that pannier (actually a pair of them).  Working fine, but not waterproof of course.  They do come with a rain cover, which I'll throw on for rainy rides, but wouldn't trust for a longer ride in a downpour. 

I do think they're starting to wear a bit in the lower corners (about 8 months of regular use), and I'll have to keep an eye on that and/or figure out a way to mitigate. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 18, 2019, 11:18:45 PM
We don't get very many rain days here in SoCal! Haven't braved that type of riding yet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on February 19, 2019, 07:34:35 AM
Waterproof is nice (you just have to be really careful not to accidentally let wet stuff drip into a waterproof bag because they'll start to smell funky really quickly), but honestly I'm fine with non-waterproof too . . . just wrap anything you don't want to get wet in a plastic grocery bag and it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on February 19, 2019, 08:49:47 AM
I'm imminently planning on buying a bag that will clip to my bike rack so I don't have to deal with a bungee net 4x per day. Anything I should consider beforehand?

Here's what I'm looking at - I already have the same-brand rack so I picked this for compatibility: https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72 (https://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Bicycle-Quick-Release-Weather-Pannier/dp/B00A6H2YNI?pd_rd_wg=as2wZ&pd_rd_r=2e497b04-5b6b-4e6a-b356-1643544f740c&pd_rd_w=moY4E&ref_=pd_gw_simh&pf_rd_r=MMK3HSFQ60VA4FVASKJT&pf_rd_p=5bb8abce-4b41-53f0-b785-c7d6b87a6b72)

I would be slightly worried that the plastic clips on the panniers that attach to your rack might break at some point in time.  You can line them with trash compactor bags to keep things nice and dry.  That's what I do when I go backpacking.  Lightweight, durable, and super waterproof.

I have a pair of Arkels which have been bombproof so far, but they were expensive. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on February 19, 2019, 11:57:45 AM
H/L screw adjustment:
Grab your derailleur cable and pull it by hand until the derailleur has reached the furthest it will go.  Then adjust the L (L for light gear) screw so that the derailleur jockey wheel is lined up directly below the cog at this point.  Unbolt the derailleur cable and adjust the H (H for hard gear) screw so that the derailleur jockey wheel is lined up below the cog.  Then bolt your cable back on (pull it tight enough that there's no slack, but not so tight that the derailleur moves from the smallest to second smallest cog) and pretty much never touch the screws again.

Indexing:
Shift to the second hardest gear.  Then shift to the third hardest gear.  If it doesn't shift easily, tighten the barrel adjuster until it does.  If it shifts too easily, loosen the barrel adjuster.  Once you can go from 2nd to third hardest and back smoothly, go up and down the cassette a couple times and make a one or two notch adjustment if necessary, but it should be pretty close to perfect.

It used to take me forever, but after discovering the above method I can usually re-index after replacing a cable in less that 5 minutes.
First make sure your derailleur hanger is properly aligned. I used to have terrible trouble trying to get my rear derailleur to shift accurately. I bought this alignment tool (https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/x-tools-pro-gear-hanger-alignment-tool/rp-prod122319) and spent some time zeroing in on getting my hanger perfectly parallel to the wheel. After alignment adjusting as GuitarStv suggests was a breeze. Absolutely perfect shifting since.

Waterproof is nice (you just have to be really careful not to accidentally let wet stuff drip into a waterproof bag because they'll start to smell funky really quickly), but honestly I'm fine with non-waterproof too . . . just wrap anything you don't want to get wet in a plastic grocery bag and it'll be fine.
I carry drinking water to work to avoid nasty tap water there. Water bottles for work are in same bag as work clothes. One day a lid was loose on one of my bottles - spilled about 8 oz of water. Clothes in plastic bag were fine. If my bag was waterproof it might have caused a problem.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on February 21, 2019, 06:52:55 AM
Totally bummed out right now.  Sent my e-bike (the rear wheel, anyway) in for warranty repair on the motor, and just received it last night after a 3-week car clowning wait.  Unfortunately, I accidentally trashed the cadence and torque sensors when putting the bike back together. 

The manufacturer is terrible with communication, so it's not even clear that they did repair my existing motor problem; everything pretty much looks as it did before I sent it in.  I could be selling them short, as I haven't yet reproduced the problem, which was intermittent and will be difficult to reproduce without functional pedal assist. 

Throwing a flier out to see if they'll replace my sensors under warranty, but it's doubtful.  Now need to wait even longer to ride.  $200 to replace the sensors if they won't cover it, and potentially another fight and long wait if they didn't fix anything with the motor.  Argh!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on February 21, 2019, 10:01:35 AM
Totally bummed out right now.  Sent my e-bike (the rear wheel, anyway) in for warranty repair on the motor, and just received it last night after a 3-week car clowning wait.  Unfortunately, I accidentally trashed the cadence and torque sensors when putting the bike back together. 

The manufacturer is terrible with communication, so it's not even clear that they did repair my existing motor problem; everything pretty much looks as it did before I sent it in.  I could be selling them short, as I haven't yet reproduced the problem, which was intermittent and will be difficult to reproduce without functional pedal assist. 

Throwing a flier out to see if they'll replace my sensors under warranty, but it's doubtful.  Now need to wait even longer to ride.  $200 to replace the sensors if they won't cover it, and potentially another fight and long wait if they didn't fix anything with the motor.  Argh!
Could you still ride with the broken sensors or do they control functions of the bike?


For anyone looking for sunglasses to ride with, I've had good luck lately with 3M safety glasses:
Clear Lens - https://www.amazon.com/3M-Performance-Eyewear-Multi-Purpose-Design/dp/B01IKPYDGS/
Gray Lens -  https://www.amazon.com/3M-Performance-Eyewear-Multi-Purpose-Design/dp/B01IKPYDHC/

The clear lenses were nice for when it was dark in the mornings and evenings, but I still wanted something to keep debris out of my eyes. I got them during a Lowe's store closing, so they were less than Amazon's current price. Before these I was riding with a pair of Champion sunglasses from Target, but those cracked up in a nasty way. It made me concerned that in the event of an accident I might get plastic crap in my eyes, so the safety glasses fit the bill nicely.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: AlexMar on February 21, 2019, 10:33:04 AM
Totally bummed out right now.  Sent my e-bike (the rear wheel, anyway) in for warranty repair on the motor, and just received it last night after a 3-week car clowning wait.  Unfortunately, I accidentally trashed the cadence and torque sensors when putting the bike back together. 

The manufacturer is terrible with communication, so it's not even clear that they did repair my existing motor problem; everything pretty much looks as it did before I sent it in.  I could be selling them short, as I haven't yet reproduced the problem, which was intermittent and will be difficult to reproduce without functional pedal assist. 

Throwing a flier out to see if they'll replace my sensors under warranty, but it's doubtful.  Now need to wait even longer to ride.  $200 to replace the sensors if they won't cover it, and potentially another fight and long wait if they didn't fix anything with the motor.  Argh!

I know I way overpaid for my Trek, but it is very nice having a Trek store right next to the house with lots of good and helpful people working there.  Seems bikes break a lot from reading around and what a pain to fix them yourself and deal with internet companies!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on February 21, 2019, 11:00:50 AM
Seems bikes break a lot from reading around and what a pain to fix them yourself and deal with internet companies!

Depends on how much joy you take from doing things yourself. After the first couple of times I was completely ripped off (either by mechanics or others), I've decided to make it a hobby of fixing or building everything I can myself. In addition to saving me a lot of money, its also paid huge dividends over the years in supporting my knowledge base. Granted, this isn't a hobby for everyone, but just wanted to show the flip side of the coin: now when something breaks, I generally get somewhat excited about how I'm going to fix it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on February 21, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
Could you still ride with the broken sensors or do they control functions of the bike?


I can ride, but not with pedal assist - these sensors tell the motor controller when to kick on and how much power to provide.  That means I get a choice of throttle only, or pedals with zero assist.  The former option is something I would prefer to do only in a pinch, as it somewhat defeats the purpose of biking; I never ride that way normally.  The latter option might sound okay, but then you're riding a super-heavy bike with gearing not equipped to handle that mode.  Gun to my head, either would work, but neither is a way I'm inclined to commute with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on February 22, 2019, 08:43:08 AM
Could you still ride with the broken sensors or do they control functions of the bike?


I can ride, but not with pedal assist - these sensors tell the motor controller when to kick on and how much power to provide.  That means I get a choice of throttle only, or pedals with zero assist.  The former option is something I would prefer to do only in a pinch, as it somewhat defeats the purpose of biking; I never ride that way normally.  The latter option might sound okay, but then you're riding a super-heavy bike with gearing not equipped to handle that mode.  Gun to my head, either would work, but neither is a way I'm inclined to commute with.
If your throttle controller is sensitive enough, you could use throttle while pedaling to recreate the pedal assist. I'm sure it would take much practice to get the balance between your pedaling and throttle just right (unlike the intuitive automatic pedal assist). Still, I'd be inclined to do it while waiting to here back if the sensors will be covered by warranty / waiting for parts.

I know I way overpaid for my Trek, but it is very nice having a Trek store right next to the house with lots of good and helpful people working there.  Seems bikes break a lot from reading around and what a pain to fix them yourself and deal with internet companies!
You're right that bikes require maintenance - much more frequent than a car miles wise, but not that much different in terms of time in use. A well maintained bike rarely has any issues other than a puncture flat from road debris - this is much more rare for cars because they have much thicker tires. Maintenance intervals on the exposed chain are higher than you would use for the transmission of a car, but most other moving parts on a bike need no more frequent (time not miles wise) maintenance. Bike tires need replacing more frequently because they are thinner and have less surface contact (even after adjusting for weight - I run my bike tires 2-3x the pressure of my car tires).

Of course e-bikes are more complicated and heavier than regular bikes and many systems are pretty new, so their designs might not be refined enough.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on February 22, 2019, 10:05:28 PM
Replaced my rear brake pads and made brake adjustments last night. Laughed every time I pulled the brake and slowed down *way* faster than I was expecting to. I guess it'll take a few days to get used to the new stopping power.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: dvdvrhs on March 07, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
A bike commuting tax break bill has been introduced. I would recommend asking your representative to support this:

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/03/06/new-bill-would-provide-a-tax-break-for-bike-commuters/

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on March 07, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
I signed up for my work's "Commit to be Fit" contest. 12 weeks.
Going to be hitting the bike hard, and very likely going to give the 21 mile commute a shot in the future. Will post back how it goes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 07, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
I managed to take my first spill on my bike on the ride in three days ago. It was wet due to rain and I took this 90* curve that turned out to be super slippery. Thankfully I was going really slowly so the worst was the chain that fell off. The next morning I was super cautious at the same spot, slowed way down, and found myself on the ground again, this time with a scraped ankle. Damn. I guess that particular shortcut is off the menu on wet days.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 07, 2019, 05:47:13 PM
You'll find that there are particular road surfaces that you've got to be really careful around when it's wet.  Any of those big metal plates/grates/manhole covers should be regarded with suspicion.  Be careful if you find yourself on the white lines too, they can get crazy slippery when wet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on March 07, 2019, 08:32:16 PM
You'll find that there are particular road surfaces that you've got to be really careful around when it's wet.  Any of those big metal plates/grates/manhole covers should be regarded with suspicion.  Be careful if you find yourself on the white lines too, they can get crazy slippery when wet.

Also bathroom tiles that are used to tile bridges...but that may just be a China thing.


On a more positive note, the weather is finally cooperating, so I biked three times this week for a total distance of approximately 100 km.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 08, 2019, 10:23:20 AM
You'll find that there are particular road surfaces that you've got to be really careful around when it's wet.  Any of those big metal plates/grates/manhole covers should be regarded with suspicion.  Be careful if you find yourself on the white lines too, they can get crazy slippery when wet.
I do avoid those already, but I guess the exposed pebble concrete sidewalk is rare enough that I hadn’t thought about it before.

Boo on indoor tiles being used on bridges!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 08, 2019, 03:20:46 PM
You'll find that there are particular road surfaces that you've got to be really careful around when it's wet.  Any of those big metal plates/grates/manhole covers should be regarded with suspicion.  Be careful if you find yourself on the white lines too, they can get crazy slippery when wet.
I do avoid those already, but I guess the exposed pebble concrete sidewalk is rare enough that I hadn’t thought about it before.

Boo on indoor tiles being used on bridges!

Glad to hear you're OK. The last time I wiped out like that I managed to give myself whiplash.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 08, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
Oh wow. I hope you have recovered by now. Whiplash somehow isn’t something I expect on a bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 08, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
Finally have my bike back!  Missed a whole month of bike commuting while it was getting repaired being worked on unsuccessfully.  Of course, my first week after having my bike back, I was out of town traveling, so it'll end up being a five week break.  I'm ready to get back on the wagon. 

Edit: ARGH!  The bike isn't fixed - problem with the motor still exists.  I might try to ride it this week, but the saga continues...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 09, 2019, 04:00:08 PM
Oh wow. I hope you have recovered by now. Whiplash somehow isn’t something I expect on a bike.

LOL, it was a few years ago, so I've been fine for quite a while now. I was surprised by how much pain I was in 2 days after the fall. Turns out whiplash is caused by sudden deceleration. Like when your body flies through the air and then comes to an abrupt stop when it smashes into the pavement ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 11, 2019, 10:59:17 AM
Oh wow. I hope you have recovered by now. Whiplash somehow isn’t something I expect on a bike.

LOL, it was a few years ago, so I've been fine for quite a while now. I was surprised by how much pain I was in 2 days after the fall. Turns out whiplash is caused by sudden deceleration. Like when your body flies through the air and then comes to an abrupt stop when it smashes into the pavement ;-)
Eek
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on March 11, 2019, 01:26:36 PM
Finally have my bike back!  Missed a whole month of bike commuting while it was getting repaired being worked on unsuccessfully.  Of course, my first week after having my bike back, I was out of town traveling, so it'll end up being a five week break.  I'm ready to get back on the wagon. 

Edit: ARGH!  The bike isn't fixed - problem with the motor still exists.  I might try to ride it this week, but the saga continues...

Oh no! What a pain! Fingers crossed you get this sorted pronto. Service would be much better if they understood that this is a primary source of transport for some folks! Can you imagine waiting a month for a car to be repaired!?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on March 11, 2019, 04:50:19 PM
There is a little walkable underpass that I take instead of crossing a small highway.
I could tell that it was flooded but I couldn’t tell how deep it was. I decided to go for it.
It kept getting deeper... and deeper so I lifted my feet up so they wouldn’t get wet.
Then the bike stopped rolling...

Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 11, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
Haha!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 12, 2019, 07:42:28 AM
lol



My reason for always avoiding puddles has a lot to do with the likelihood of finding a wheel sized pothole/crack under them around here.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 12, 2019, 07:56:27 AM
Finally have my bike back!  Missed a whole month of bike commuting while it was getting repaired being worked on unsuccessfully.  Of course, my first week after having my bike back, I was out of town traveling, so it'll end up being a five week break.  I'm ready to get back on the wagon. 

Edit: ARGH!  The bike isn't fixed - problem with the motor still exists.  I might try to ride it this week, but the saga continues...

Oh no! What a pain! Fingers crossed you get this sorted pronto. Service would be much better if they understood that this is a primary source of transport for some folks! Can you imagine waiting a month for a car to be repaired!?

Thanks.  I did ride so far this week, and the good news is that the ride is certainly improved, just not fixed.  Still waiting to hear back from them, but in the meantime I can ride, as long as I ride carefully, with no sudden applications of torque. 

I tried to emphasize to their service department how much my life centers around this bike now (I had driven my car a total of about 100-150 miles since June, outside of one work-reimbursed trip), and really wanted to avoid not having my bike for several weeks.  No dice. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 12, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 12, 2019, 08:39:28 AM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...

Cycling cap under helmet is essential rain equipment.  It works pretty well to keep spray off your lenses, and keeps your head a bit warmer.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 12, 2019, 09:51:17 AM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...

I wear gloves and use them to wipe off my lenses at stoplights. It's not perfect, but it works well enough to be able to mostly see.

Riding on the side walk on that hill sounds fine. I live on a similar hill and do the same. I also recently changed my route to work slightly so now I ride part of the way on a sidewalk instead of in the bike lane. That particular lane isn't respected by drivers and they sometimes randomly swerve into it. There's almost no one walking on the sidewalk and no driveways cross it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 12, 2019, 11:43:33 AM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Cycling cap under helmet is essential rain equipment.  It works pretty well to keep spray off your lenses, and keeps your head a bit warmer.

I've been wearing my helmet over a thin hoodie pulled up to keep my ears warm. Similar principle, I believe, but no benefit for my visibility.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on March 12, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...
GCN showed some crazy hydrophobic treatment for glasses (video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBOP61tDUGE

They also mention using a bunch of different household items to make your glasses fog resistant which may help shed raindrops too.

+1 for cycling caps. They really do keep a good amount of rain from getting in your eyeballs.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixup on March 13, 2019, 05:38:32 AM
I am switching from e-bike to regular bike soon. Bike gateway drug indeed. I put 4400 miles on my e-bike the past 16 months. Year round commuting in central NJ.

I will admit though, I am moving to a place that is less hilly, has great weather, and I won't need to commute for work. So my overall bike mileage will drop so maybe not quite as badass as riding an ebike in shitty winter weather.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on March 13, 2019, 09:20:19 AM
I am switching from e-bike to regular bike soon. Bike gateway drug indeed. I put 4400 miles on my e-bike the past 16 months. Year round commuting in central NJ.

I will admit though, I am moving to a place that is less hilly, has great weather, and I won't need to commute for work. So my overall bike mileage will drop so maybe not quite as badass as riding an ebike in shitty winter weather.

Nice! Where in central NJ are you? I’m in Princeton.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sixup on March 13, 2019, 10:47:37 AM
Clinton area in Hunterdon county
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FI-REality on March 14, 2019, 06:19:19 AM
I think it's time to dust the bike off for the spring.  Looks like its supposed to be above 0C during the day for the next week, just need to watch out for the rain.  A couple people at my office have already rode in a number of times this month. 
I bought one last July and rode it to work (3.6kms one way) a couple dozen times last year.  This year I'm thinking of taking our second car off the road and only using the bike unless I have an off-site meeting or something.  My wife is a stay at home mom, so I'm really thinking we don't need the 2nd car at all; although it's a hard change to wrap your mind around when you've owned your own car for the last 30 years; and this particular car since 2004...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 14, 2019, 08:47:10 AM
I had my first above zero degree bike ride of the year.  It was truly a treat!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on March 14, 2019, 10:25:22 AM
I had my first above zero degree bike ride of the year.  It was truly a treat!

Nice! Weather looks great here today! High of 63F (17C).
I’ll be able to go out in about 3 hours.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 14, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I had my first above zero degree bike ride of the year.  It was truly a treat!

Nice! Weather looks great here today! High of 63F (17C).
I’ll be able to go out in about 3 hours.

We don't usually get into that sort of shorts weather until may.  Saves me a mint on razors I suppose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on March 14, 2019, 08:31:19 PM
This thread is intimidating the shit out of me.  I'm someone who hates being ignorant and Not Knowing Things, and this is making me feel like I'm way too fucking stupid about bikes to be a bike rider after all.

Other than knowing how to ride a bike and knowing that the bike I have is uncomfortable and too big, I know fuck-all about bikes, I guess. 

Maybe I'll see if my library has "Biking [or bike maintenance] for Dummies]. 

I'm only looking for this to run local-ish errands, or at least that's the need unless and until I find a job.  But none the less, reading about chain thingamajigs and degreasing and whatnots is overwhelming. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 14, 2019, 08:43:15 PM
Well you are in good company if it makes you feel any different. I can put my bike chain back on when it falls off and I can recognize when I get a flat tire, but that is about it. I am spoiled because I have my work bike maintenance shop that takes care of everything for me, and encourages me to come in if I get so much as a squeaky chain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 14, 2019, 11:17:31 PM
I taught myself to change the chain from Youtube, and that's about it. I've gotten the impression from this thread that I should be... oiling it? But I decided that I had to jump into biking before I knew everything about it, because there's way too much to know and I would never get started if I tried to do it the other way round. If my bike falls apart underneath me, I guess I'll call an uber. I'm learning as I go. Kinda why I started the thread, really.

I appreciate the experts sharing what they know, but this is really intended to be - and I use it as - a thread for people who have no idea what they're doing to take their first baby steps. Baby pedals. Idk.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 15, 2019, 09:28:43 AM
Maybe I'll see if my library has "Biking [or bike maintenance] for Dummies]. 
The "for Dummies" series does have "Bike Repair & Maintenance". Best seller on Amazon is Zinn and the Art of (Road/Mountain) Bike Maintenance. Also high on the list is Just Ride: A Radically Practical Guide to Riding Your Bike. I have Anybody's Bike Book, but it's dated (disc breaks weren't a thing on bikes when my copy was published). Now I mostly use https://www.sheldonbrown.com/ (https://www.sheldonbrown.com/) for bike maintenance reference.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 15, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
Sheldon Brown and Parktools.  Between the two websites you should be able to do just about any bike maintenance that comes up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on March 15, 2019, 09:56:16 AM
This thread is intimidating the shit about me.  I'm someone who hates being ignorant and Not Knowing Things, and this is making me feel like I'm way to fucking stupid about bikes to be a bike rider after all.

Other than knowing how to ride a bike and knowing that the bike I have is uncomfortable and too big, I know fuck-all about bikes, I guess. 

Maybe I'll see if my library has "Biking [or bike maintenance] for Dummies]. 

I'm only looking for this to run local-ish errands, or at least that's the need unless and until I find a job.  But none the less, reading about chain thingamajigs and degreasing and whatnots is overwhelming. 

Honestly, even if you bring your bike to the local bike shop for all your maintenance beyond lubing your chain, it will still be a helluva lot cheaper than driving.

Find a shop that is friendly and you trust, get a mid-range bike you like and that fits you, and go back there for parts and service as needed.

Biking doesn't have to be more complicated than finding a good route and riding in appropriate clothing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 15, 2019, 10:05:59 AM
If it makes you feel better, I learned to maintain my bike by first neglecting my bike for a few years . . . then trying to fix all the annoying issues that started to come up.  Bikes are pretty tough mechanical devices.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 15, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
If it makes you feel better, I learned to maintain my bike by first neglecting my bike for a few years . . . then trying to fix all the annoying issues that started to come up.  Bikes are pretty tough mechanical devices.

:P

Me too. My bike used to go to the shop for everything. Over time I got tired of driving it back and forth, but outsourcing to the shop is still a great way to keep your bike running.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on March 15, 2019, 12:28:21 PM
If it makes you feel better, I learned to maintain my bike by first neglecting my bike for a few years . . . then trying to fix all the annoying issues that started to come up.  Bikes are pretty tough mechanical devices.

:P

Actually, it makes me feel *MUCH* better.  Thanks.  Would you say that beyond fixing obvious things (flat tire, broken chain) as they come up, taking in the bike once a year for maintenance is more or less good enough as a basic preventative strategy?  Twice a year?  Something else?

And maybe someone could give a list of the very basic things they think a newb should do?  Like that once a year maintenance at a shop (anything specific to ask for, or just a tune up"?), plus greasing the chain (which I could then google to learn as I'm sure that's pretty basic) and...?

This isn't to keep it perfect forever, or what is ideal.  Just a baseline.  Like oil changes on cars and doing the 30k/60k/etc. tune ups on a car. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on March 15, 2019, 12:44:54 PM
If it makes you feel better, I learned to maintain my bike by first neglecting my bike for a few years . . . then trying to fix all the annoying issues that started to come up.  Bikes are pretty tough mechanical devices.

:P

Actually, it makes me feel *MUCH* better.  Thanks.  Would you say that beyond fixing obvious things (flat tire, broken chain) as they come up, taking in the bike once a year for maintenance is more or less good enough as a basic preventative strategy?  Twice a year?  Something else?

And maybe someone could give a list of the very basic things they think a newb should do?  Like that once a year maintenance at a shop (anything specific to ask for, or just a tune up"?), plus greasing the chain (which I could then google to learn as I'm sure that's pretty basic) and...?

This isn't to keep it perfect forever, or what is ideal.  Just a baseline.  Like oil changes on cars and doing the 30k/60k/etc. tune ups on a car. 

For me, basic at home maintenance would entail cleaning and lubricating the chain with a bike specific chain lube. Keeping tires inflated regularly, and replacing inner tubes as necessary. Changing brake pads as necessary (probably every year or so).

For everything else, a once a year (or as needed) trip to the local bike shop would certainly be fine. You can likely expect to need a new chain and cassette every few years, replace the cables and housing every few years, having the wheels trued, and the headset and bottom bracket serviced.

In my experience, other than the above, a bike is pretty maintenance free and only requires service if broken.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 15, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
As mentioned, the basic stuff you should get into the habit of doing is to oil the chain every week or two and inflate the tires.

I'd recommend that every cyclist practice taking the rear wheel off their bike and changing a tube several times . . . because at some point or other, you will likely have to do just that.  Learning on the side of the road is more stressful.  There's no point having a spare tube and pump if you don't know how to use 'em.

Other than that, a once a year checkup is likely fine for the average cyclist.  It depends on a lot of factors though . . . The kind of mileage you're putting on the bike, the way that you pedal, the weather conditions you ride in, your weight, etc.

I weigh 200 lbs and ride about 1600 km a month in the summer in pouring rain, and will often find myself 60-70 km from home in the middle of nowhere with no phone.  My maintenance schedule is kinda aggressive because I wreck stuff more quickly.  If you are like my wife and weigh 100 lbs and ride maybe 100 km a month only when it's sunny, you can get away with a lot more neglect.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on March 15, 2019, 04:05:35 PM
One of the reasons I didn't start biking for many years was being super intimidated by exactly the types of things you're talking about in this thread, @Villanelle. Everything I came across online seemed so out of my reach knowledge-wise. Luckily I stumbled onto a local monthly ride for people new to biking, at a slow pace, with ridiculously friendly leaders, learning to ride the city streets, and I was hooked.

I currently know how to do basic maintenance on my bike but I still take it to my shop for almost everything - they'll clean it up for me for pennies while I stand around and chit chat so win-win :) The only thing I really do at home is check the air in my tires, then lubricate my chain in winter, but our weather sucks and the chain will start rusting in two seconds if I don't wipe it down myself after riding in the snow/salt mix.

Since my commute is on or very close to transit lines, I didn't worry too much about being able to change my tires the first six months I rode. My plan was to lock up and ride the bus if I popped a flat. I do carry an extra tube on my bike, though - in case there's someone around that is a fast tire-changer that offers to help. Once I started riding more for fun and longer distances, I made sure I was able to do it so I didn't end up stranded 50 miles away from the city. When you get to that point, I do agree that it's super helpful to practice at home, because if you're anything like me you'll take foreeeeevvvvvver and will probably put the tire on backwards at least once and will have a heck of a time getting the tire back on at all and feel like a total wimp -- until you suddenly get it all right and feel like a total badass. I'm still really really really awful at changing my back tire on my bike with gears.

:)

A lot of the tips here, keep in mind too, are from regular riders who have upgraded their bicycles, so it starts making more sense to be more invested at all the levels (maintenance, clothing choices, etc). I pay a lot more attention to my chain and gears now that I'm riding an expensive bike; I want it to last a very long time. I pay a lot more attention to my clothes now that I ride year-round; I want to be comfortable and not just trying-it-out or I won't want to keep riding. And so forth.

On the flip side, I know we've all seen plenty of normal folks riding a bike in jeans and tennis shoes with a backpack that have never been in a bike shop other than the sport section at a big box store, that get around just fine, so take the information that makes sense to you where you are and save the rest til later ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 18, 2019, 10:48:33 AM
Alright, so does anybody have a recommended brand for chain lube? I have been neglecting it due to riding in sunny SoCal - no salt or slush! - but this discussion of the bare minimum maintenance has convinced me to pay more attention.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 18, 2019, 11:19:46 AM
Well, it finally happened - my first flat.  I was considering myself lucky to avoid any thus far (2100 miles of high speed e-biking), but I discovered it while rolling up to work.  Rear wheel flat, which is a challenge on a hub-mounted motor e-bike.  I wasn't sure exactly what I would do about it, lacking the tools at work to remove the wheel, but I was able to find the offending shard of glass and patch up the tube.  At least I think so - we'll see if the pressure holds!  If not, an emergency SOS to my wife might be in order to cart me and the bike home. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on March 18, 2019, 11:48:47 AM
Alright, so does anybody have a recommended brand for chain lube? I have been neglecting it due to riding in sunny SoCal - no salt or slush! - but this discussion of the bare minimum maintenance has convinced me to pay more attention.
TriFlow is pretty easy to find. It's not specifically a bike chain lubricant, but lots of people use it and you can apply it to other moving components, pivot points, etc.

Muc-Off makes a dry and wet lube...
https://us.muc-off.com/products/bio-dry-lube
https://us.muc-off.com/products/bio-wet-lube

Simple Green makes a nice degreaser. I use a little carwash soap when I wash my bike, hit the drivetrain with some degreaser, dry everything, then lube it all up and wipe off any excess. Makes shifting smoother, pedaling quieter and supposedly increases the lifespan of stuff.

Well, it finally happened - my first flat.  I was considering myself lucky to avoid any thus far (2100 miles of high speed e-biking), but I discovered it while rolling up to work.  Rear wheel flat, which is a challenge on a hub-mounted motor e-bike.  I wasn't sure exactly what I would do about it, lacking the tools at work to remove the wheel, but I was able to find the offending shard of glass and patch up the tube.  At least I think so - we'll see if the pressure holds!  If not, an emergency SOS to my wife might be in order to cart me and the bike home.
If you have a sink somewhere at work maybe you could put your tube under some water to look for bubbles. Good luck.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 18, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Well, it finally happened - my first flat.  I was considering myself lucky to avoid any thus far (2100 miles of high speed e-biking), but I discovered it while rolling up to work.  Rear wheel flat, which is a challenge on a hub-mounted motor e-bike.  I wasn't sure exactly what I would do about it, lacking the tools at work to remove the wheel, but I was able to find the offending shard of glass and patch up the tube.  At least I think so - we'll see if the pressure holds!  If not, an emergency SOS to my wife might be in order to cart me and the bike home.
If you have a sink somewhere at work maybe you could put your tube under some water to look for bubbles. Good luck.
I'm under the impression that the tube was patched with the wheel remaining on the frame - thus getting it to a sink to check for bubbles would be extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on March 18, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
Well, it finally happened - my first flat.  I was considering myself lucky to avoid any thus far (2100 miles of high speed e-biking), but I discovered it while rolling up to work.  Rear wheel flat, which is a challenge on a hub-mounted motor e-bike.  I wasn't sure exactly what I would do about it, lacking the tools at work to remove the wheel, but I was able to find the offending shard of glass and patch up the tube.  At least I think so - we'll see if the pressure holds!  If not, an emergency SOS to my wife might be in order to cart me and the bike home.
If you have a sink somewhere at work maybe you could put your tube under some water to look for bubbles. Good luck.
I'm under the impression that the tube was patched with the wheel remaining on the frame - thus getting it to a sink to check for bubbles would be extremely difficult.
It would make for a cool photo and give co-workers something to talk about for a while... "Anyone else see that e-bike in the men's room toilet? That had to be extremely difficult to pass..."
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 18, 2019, 01:25:21 PM
Well, it finally happened - my first flat.  I was considering myself lucky to avoid any thus far (2100 miles of high speed e-biking), but I discovered it while rolling up to work.  Rear wheel flat, which is a challenge on a hub-mounted motor e-bike.  I wasn't sure exactly what I would do about it, lacking the tools at work to remove the wheel, but I was able to find the offending shard of glass and patch up the tube.  At least I think so - we'll see if the pressure holds!  If not, an emergency SOS to my wife might be in order to cart me and the bike home.
If you have a sink somewhere at work maybe you could put your tube under some water to look for bubbles. Good luck.
I'm under the impression that the tube was patched with the wheel remaining on the frame - thus getting it to a sink to check for bubbles would be extremely difficult.

Yes indeed, patched with the wheel still on the frame.  I lucked out and found the puncture almost immediately, though.  As long as there's not a secondary puncture, I think I might be ok - it did seem to hold pressure over the past 3 hours.  Fingers crossed that it remains intact for the 7-miles ride home; I'll probably take things a bit slower.  The timing is interesting, as I have a warranty replacement rear wheel/motor waiting for me on my front porch right now, and this was theoretically the last day this tire needed to last.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 18, 2019, 02:41:17 PM
Alright, so does anybody have a recommended brand for chain lube? I have been neglecting it due to riding in sunny SoCal - no salt or slush! - but this discussion of the bare minimum maintenance has convinced me to pay more attention.

I have some extremely thick/sticky stuff that I use in the winter here to combat the slush and salt (White Lightning Wet Ride) and some light/thin stuff (Prolink Pro Gold) that I use the rest of the year.  If I lived in a very dry place I'd probably use one of the dry lubes (like Squirt).

That said, you should be able to pick any bike specific lube that kinda sounds like it's made for the conditions you ride in.  A 10$ bottle will probably last you a couple years, and any lube is better than no lube.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 18, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
That said, you should be able to pick any bike specific lube that kinda sounds like it's made for the conditions you ride in.  A 10$ bottle will probably last you a couple years, and any lube is better than no lube.
Yes, any lube is better than no lube, but adding lube to a new chain that doesn't need it yet can be worse than doing nothing because it can dilute the higher quality lube the chain came with and transport dirt from the outside of the chain to the inside.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#factory (https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#factory)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 19, 2019, 08:15:15 AM
That said, you should be able to pick any bike specific lube that kinda sounds like it's made for the conditions you ride in.  A 10$ bottle will probably last you a couple years, and any lube is better than no lube.
Yes, any lube is better than no lube, but adding lube to a new chain that doesn't need it yet can be worse than doing nothing because it can dilute the higher quality lube the chain came with and transport dirt from the outside of the chain to the inside.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#factory (https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#factory)

I don't want to start a holy war or anything (and love a lot of what Sheldon Brown writes), but in my opinion the lube that comes stock on a chain is terrible.  It is very sticky, and picks up dirt incredibly quickly.  I'm happiest when it's mostly worn off because in my experience the chain will stay cleaner for longer, and will shift better . . . but don't care enough to go to the effort of degreasing a brand new chain so just keep applying lube until the factory gunk is gone.

But I'm also weird and am considering dedicating a small crockpot for melting paraffin wax for my chains for this summer.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 19, 2019, 12:58:52 PM
But I'm also weird and am considering dedicating a small crockpot for melting paraffin wax for my chains for this summer.  :P
I'm a fair weather cyclist (don't wet rides due to: lack of fenders, difficult to retrofit bike (mid 90's hard tail mountain bike frame - fork doesn't provide mounting options), live in climate where that only takes 30-60 days off the cycling calendar). I replaced my gears and chain last fall. I bought 3 chains with the intent to rotate them regularly and replace all the gears again when all the chains are worn. I'm a bit overdue to swap in the last chain (will probably get to it Saturday), so I haven't put any new lube on these chains yet (still just factory lube). I agree that it is sticky and dirty on the outside, but I hope that the dirt hasn't migrated to the inside. As I have three chains in rotation, I'd be renewing 2 chains at a time about twice a year. Rather than a crock pot, I've been thinking about a portable induction burner (useful for other needs) and dedicating an old pot to chain maintenance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on March 19, 2019, 02:06:59 PM
I biked to work for years when I was single (at the time I lived within ~3 miles or so of my office) but I bussed or walked in the winter. My wife and I work together and she's not quite ready for biking as our primary method of commuting, so for the past couple years I've been riding with her and neglecting biking for the most part. Fortunately, we had friends move in last summer about a mile away so we biked to their place a bunch (before it got cold) and so my wife has now expressed an interest in biking to work, at least some of the time. She has chronic joint issues in one leg from a past sports injury and the subsequent surgery, so we're gonna work our way up to it. We've biked the route on weekends before, and the full round trip (a little under 5 miles each way) has left her in a good bit of pain.

So our plan right now is to bike one-way at least once or twice a week, by taking the bus in (we're on a major bus route and they have racks for bikes on the front) in the morning and then biking home. Biking home will be nice in the spring as it'll be warmer and since we don't have a hard time we need to be at home we can go at a bit more leisurely pace. Being on the main bus line gives us some good flexibility; if it's shitty weather one afternoon we can just bus home and leave our bikes at work to bike home the next day.

My bike got stolen last fall (my own fault, I stupidly left it unlocked on a friend's front porch) so I bought a new one for this year that's a bit more commuter focused. My old one was a used trek hybrid that I bought at least 10 years ago for like $250, and while I neglected the maintenance on it a bit it served me pretty well overall. My new bike is a single-speed that's sturdier, has fewer parts, and is lighter than my old one, so it should be easier to use and maintain. Also, it was built by a local shop (http://www.straycatbicycles.com/Bicycles.html) so I'm supporting a local business!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FI-REality on March 20, 2019, 05:57:24 AM
Went out to the garage to get my bike ready for the spring and had a flat front tire.  Pumped it up and it was flat again the next day.    The bike has 700 x 40 tires and I found them pretty harsh last year so I'm using this as an excuse to upgrade to 50mm wide tires (Schwalbe Big Apples).  Got them on order (with new tubes for under $60) and they should arrive sometime next week; just in time for the nicer weather... if one is to believe the weather man.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 20, 2019, 07:25:54 AM
If you're finding 40mm tires harsh, I'd first check if you're overinflating them.  I weigh 200 lbs and run a 28mm front tire and 32mm rear tire inflated to 70/80 psi all summer.  They're comfy enough to do a century on.  When I started riding I was running 32 front and back and inflating them both to 90 psi (max on the sidewall), which was very uncomfortable.

Check out this website:
http://www.dorkypantsr.us/bike-tire-pressure-calculator.html
for a ballpark idea of what pressures to start with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FI-REality on March 20, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
I started with the pressures around the max (60 or 70 I think) and it was really rough.  After a dozen rides or so I was running 35 front and 40 rear and found that to be the sweet spot between comfort and drag (my goal was to maintain at least 30kph on the straight portions of my ride; I was pretty much there near the end of the summer).  I still found it bone jarring and teeth rattling for most of the ride, especially on the interlocking brick path with tonnes of frost heaves.  Hopefully the 50mm tires help to smooth things out without slowing things down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 20, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
I'm back, baby!  My e-bike has been acting up since late January, out of commission from early Feb-early March, and back in its sub-optimal state for the last two weeks (repairs/maintenance done by manufacturer did not fix the problem).  I finally was able to get the manufacturer to relent and do a full replacement of the suspect components (mainly the motor, though they also replaced the electrical controller).  I did ride all of last week and Monday of this week, but now the hardware is replaced and everything is good as new!  I feel like I'm flying again.

One thing to note from my extended time 'off': I started to get used to car commuting again.  I can see how it's easy to fall back into that pattern, as it can simplify things - don't need to worry about the weather, don't need to pack clothes, commute is shorter on the way in, etc.  Sure, bike commuting saves money, allows for 'free' exercise, saves the environment, but I was forgetting about the best part about bike commuting - it's fun and improves my mood!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on March 20, 2019, 09:48:22 AM
I'm back, baby!  My e-bike has been acting up since late January, out of commission from early Feb-early March, and back in its sub-optimal state for the last two weeks (repairs/maintenance done by manufacturer did not fix the problem).  I finally was able to get the manufacturer to relent and do a full replacement of the suspect components (mainly the motor, though they also replaced the electrical controller).  I did ride all of last week and Monday of this week, but now the hardware is replaced and everything is good as new!  I feel like I'm flying again.

One thing to note from my extended time 'off': I started to get used to car commuting again.  I can see how it's easy to fall back into that pattern, as it can simplify things - don't need to worry about the weather, don't need to pack clothes, commute is shorter on the way in, etc.  Sure, bike commuting saves money, allows for 'free' exercise, saves the environment, but I was forgetting about the best part about bike commuting - it's fun and improves my mood!

Huzzah! Good on you for getting them to properly repair your bike.

The mood component is the number one reason why I love bike commuting...I can only imagine how much fun an electric assist would be to zoom and zip everywhere!

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 20, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
Nowadays when I drive I'm reminded of how boring it is. I also love the flexibility of being able to pass traffic, go around stopped buses, and use cut through paths.

I got a ride in today because the forecast showed a chance of lightning. What's the danger of lightning to bicyclists?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 20, 2019, 10:08:16 AM
I've ridden in many lightning storms, and don't consider being struck by lightning to be a significant concern.  I also walk around outside when there's lightning too . . . and figure you have similar odds either way.

Your main danger is that it's windy and rainy when there's lightning.  Your bike will take longer to stop, you won't be able to corner as well, and wind kinda pushes you around a fair bit.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 21, 2019, 11:32:22 AM
I've ridden in many lightning storms, and don't consider being struck by lightning to be a significant concern.  I also walk around outside when there's lightning too . . . and figure you have similar odds either way.

Your main danger is that it's windy and rainy when there's lightning.  Your bike will take longer to stop, you won't be able to corner as well, and wind kinda pushes you around a fair bit.
I haven't posted here in a WHILE because I'm still working up the courage to ride more than on occasion, but I'd like to note that my automobile was struck when I was in high school. 
So... regardless of what mode of transportation, there's some level of risk and probably no more or less on a bike. 
Happy riding y'all!
Of course automobiles can be struck by lightning. But the lighting that strikes an automobile is far less likely to pass through a passenger than lighting that strikes someone riding a bike or walking around.

I agree with GuitarStv that the other weather accompanying lightning is more likely to be a problem (and so far that type of weather is sufficient to deter me from cycling regardless of the presence of lightning).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 27, 2019, 08:31:20 PM
Achievement unlocked: I biked home in a light rain yesterday. (After specifically planning around the forecast to avoid that outcome.) My leggings got wet, but my second layer on top stayed dry. Are there any tricks regarding raindrops on glasses? The best I could do was just keep my head down.

Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...

Congrats!  I have yet to do a ride commute in the rain.  I really need to work on that personal weakness. 

I do know a cure for rain drops on glasses, but I don't think you'll like it: LASIK.  :-)

One thing that I think I've learned is to just take the lane and not to worry about the impatient drivers.  I pedal as fast as I can, and am getting faster. Done some reading on bike safety and it seems safer to just take the lane.  Counterintuitive as it seems. I almost got clipped by a bus my first week in return for sharing the lane.  I don't want to be a jerk, but I really don't want to get hit!   

I definitely claim the lane if I am riding in the road - it's just that not riding in the road is very tempting for this particular hill during rush hour. The power of social pressure, even invisible, is impressive.

Besides the fact that I think I'm darn cute in glasses, I think my prescription is still shifting slightly, which makes me a poor candidate for lasik.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on March 27, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
I got LASIK years ago and think it was some of the best money ever spent, so I can’t offer helpful advice on the glasses. As a kid my parents had some blue waxy product they would rub onto the bathroom mirrors to prevent them from digging up when we showered. I thought it was pretty cool but have never seen something like it since.

I love riding when it is wet! But my ride is mostly on neighborhood streets and trails, so thankfully I don’t have to worry about traffic much. However sun and heat are my kryptonite.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 28, 2019, 08:56:56 AM
Also, a confession. There is one hill on my ride home that I have been riding up the sidewalk. I know I shouldn't, but the sidewalk is double-wide, and there's no bike lane on the road plus a bunch of parked cars, and I hold up traffic whenever I struggle up the hill as fast as possible in the road. It's a much less intense hill at my own pace...
I definitely claim the lane if I am riding in the road - it's just that not riding in the road is very tempting for this particular hill during rush hour. The power of social pressure, even invisible, is impressive.
My personal rule is to not go faster than a slow jog on the sidewalk. If you have an extra wide sidewalk and the hill is challenging enough that you aren't faster than a jogger, I think you should be on the sidewalk (careful to look for cross traffic and yielding to pedestrians, of course). It's cyclists who bomb down sidewalks at 15 mph who are not safe (to pedestrians and where cars cross the sidewalk not expecting cross traffic that fast). Of course, there are some cities that completely ban sidewalk riding (I'd prefer they set a rolling speed limit on sidewalks and enforce it for everything with wheels).

I'm pretty comfortable taking the lane at about 15 mph (either that's close enough to the speed limit that drivers should just be forgiving, or it's a multi-lane road and they can use the other lane to pass) between 10 mph and 15 mph I find taking the lane to be harder to do due to the social pressure, but too fast to be safe on the sidewalk. Fortunately it's pretty flat where I live, so I can usually cruise near 15 mph.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on March 28, 2019, 06:43:53 PM
Hello biking crew!
Just starting to get going on the forum, but I've been biking for almost a decade (7 years as a unknowledgeable biker and 4 years after researching laws/safety/best practices). I just wanted to say: heck yes to taking the lane. It was really uncomfortable at first but I heard a phrase and I keep repeating it to myself "Don't sacrifice your safety for someone else's convenience."  I feel like it's helped me quite a bit to stand up for what I know/what the law says/what bike advocacy groups say: that it's safer to take the lane then set up cars for failure in thinking that they have enough room to pass. This is a good visual graphic in a nutshell: http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/crash-types-and-prevention_common-650x563.png

Other neat lane-positioning sites:
http://azbikelaw.org/where-to-ride-on-the-road/
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2014/04/08/enforcement-for-bicyclist-safety/
https://cyclingsavvy.org/cycling-law/

With all that, I do ride a stretch of "sidewalk" on my commute.** Reasons:
- In a 2mile stretch, there is 1 intersection
- The city has it labeled as a multi-use path, it's extra wide
- The road is 1 of 3 main thoroughfares and has the highest speed limit in town
- The road has a shoulder that looks like a bike lane, but no actual bike lane (If I were on the road I would take the lane and cars would probably be constantly confused as to why I'm not in the bike lane)
I think there's a balance to using the sidewalk, a bike lane, and taking the lane. The tool should fit the situation.
**For my town, 99% of the time the road is safer than the "sidewalk".

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In thread-related news, does anyone have advice on how to ride with one saddlebag? Sometimes I feel silly riding with both when everything would fit in one bag, but then it would be lopsided.
Maybe the solution is to get a top rack bag, or a DIY top bag...Thoughts?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on March 28, 2019, 06:47:11 PM
My personal rule is to not go faster than a slow jog on the sidewalk. If you have an extra wide sidewalk and the hill is challenging enough that you aren't faster than a jogger, I think you should be on the sidewalk (careful to look for cross traffic and yielding to pedestrians, of course). It's cyclists who bomb down sidewalks at 15 mph who are not safe (to pedestrians and where cars cross the sidewalk not expecting cross traffic that fast).
Agreed. Speedy bicyclists on sidewalks are to pedestrians as cars are to road bicyclists.


I'm pretty comfortable taking the lane at about 15 mph (either that's close enough to the speed limit that drivers should just be forgiving, or it's a multi-lane road and they can use the other lane to pass) between 10 mph and 15 mph I find taking the lane to be harder to do due to the social pressure, but too fast to be safe on the sidewalk. Fortunately it's pretty flat where I live, so I can usually cruise near 15 mph.
I feel like cars miss this point. "But I want to be in my favorite lane. Why do I have to move?"
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 28, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
I certainly never want to make a pedestrian feel how reckless drivers make me feel. I doubt I make it up to 5 mph on this hill, though - I think I've been passed by joggers before - and (as I mentioned) the sidewalk is double-wide. It also immediately follows a pedestrian bridge that explicitly allows cyclists but opens onto the sidewalk, so continuing on the sidewalk is easier than merging into turning traffic.

There are a few driveways, which are not in heavy use and which I use extra caution around.

I just ride lopsided with one saddlebag.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on March 28, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
Awesome, sounded like you assessed the situation and chose the right tool for the job.

I'll give that lopsided strategy a try with my errands tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 29, 2019, 07:41:44 AM
My personal rule is to not go faster than a slow jog on the sidewalk. If you have an extra wide sidewalk and the hill is challenging enough that you aren't faster than a jogger, I think you should be on the sidewalk (careful to look for cross traffic and yielding to pedestrians, of course). It's cyclists who bomb down sidewalks at 15 mph who are not safe (to pedestrians and where cars cross the sidewalk not expecting cross traffic that fast).
Agreed. Speedy bicyclists on sidewalks are to pedestrians as cars are to road bicyclists.


I'm pretty comfortable taking the lane at about 15 mph (either that's close enough to the speed limit that drivers should just be forgiving, or it's a multi-lane road and they can use the other lane to pass) between 10 mph and 15 mph I find taking the lane to be harder to do due to the social pressure, but too fast to be safe on the sidewalk. Fortunately it's pretty flat where I live, so I can usually cruise near 15 mph.
I feel like cars miss this point. "But I want to be in my favorite lane. Why do I have to move?"

Taking the lane is one reason I feel safer on my e-bike, comfortable doing things that I wouldn't do on my regular bike.  It's nearly effortless to accelerate to and maintain 20 mph even on the moderate assist level I use, and 25 mph is not too taxing.  I don't feel that bad taking a lane at those speeds, until the speed limit is 40+.  Oh, it still annoys some drivers even when I'm going 25-27 in a 25, but my mere existence is an affront to such people, so I'm not going to try to figure out how not to offend them. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on March 29, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
What drives me absolute bonkers when I drive is that cyclists around here (not commuting, but riding for fun/whatever) ride on two-lane, curvy roads. You can't pass them without putting your own safety at risk, because you can't see around the curves. There are greenways built specifically for people to ride for fun, and these guys would rather block traffic/put drivers at risk by riding where they do.

I know that's a car-centric view, but it is really frustrating when you have somewhere to be, but you're stuck going 15-20 mph behind cyclists in a 40 mph area.
Is this a "dad joke"? "It bothers me that other people exist and don't share my views!"
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 29, 2019, 12:25:11 PM
I am planning to get an ebike for commuting and was curious if anyone is familiar with Ancheer? It looks like it wouldn't be great if I plan to ride long distance or off-road, but my commute will only be about four miles each way, with some decent hills. That is considerably cheaper than a lot of the other brands I've looked at, and I don't want to get more than I need.

I've never heard of the brand. I don't like that they don't have different frame sizes (I'm a bit taller than average and have a large shoe size, so fit issues come up for me more often than for some people). I do like that their designs seem to be targeted to Europe (250W, 15mph limits are common there - US allows 750W, 20mph), so their design philosophy more likely treats the ebike as a practical transportation option rather than as a toy for adults. Seems like a reasonable price for a bike with a mild electric assist and short range battery.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 29, 2019, 12:34:33 PM
What drives me absolute bonkers when I drive is that cyclists around here (not commuting, but riding for fun/whatever) ride on two-lane, curvy roads. You can't pass them without putting your own safety at risk, because you can't see around the curves. There are greenways built specifically for people to ride for fun, and these guys would rather block traffic/put drivers at risk by riding where they do.

I know that's a car-centric view, but it is really frustrating when you have somewhere to be, but you're stuck going 15-20 mph behind cyclists in a 40 mph area.
How do you know the cyclists are not using their bikes for transportation. They have every bit as much right as you do to use the road for transportation even if they make a different vehicle choice. Move close to an interstate highway if having a fast transportation route is that important to you.

If you can't see far enough to pass a 20 mph vehicle, is it really a road where 40 mph is a safe speed?

Many mixed use recreational trails have 15 mph speed limits. This is not appropriate for road bike training routes. Of course I do frequently see cyclists exceeding speed limits on these trails. You could argue that using a road for athletic training is not its purpose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on March 29, 2019, 12:36:09 PM
I went to the library today in my new city, and I was reading all their postings on the Community Info board, and they offer a bike mentor service!  They will pair you with someone who will teach you basic bike care and also help you find a good, safe, comfortable route for your commute (that part doesn't apply to me), and will even go biking with you. 

How cool is this!

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The Alexandria Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee is launching a bike mentoring program to match less experienced riders with riders who have been biking in Alexandria for years. A mentor will work individually with each mentee to help achieve the mentee’s biking goals – whether that’s learning how to bike commute, getting comfortable biking to the farmers’ market, or figuring out how to bike safely to the nearest trail. If you’re an experienced rider who lives or works in Alexandria, please consider becoming a bike mentor.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 29, 2019, 12:40:40 PM
I am planning to get an ebike for commuting and was curious if anyone is familiar with Ancheer? It looks like it wouldn't be great if I plan to ride long distance or off-road, but my commute will only be about four miles each way, with some decent hills. That is considerably cheaper than a lot of the other brands I've looked at, and I don't want to get more than I need.

I'm not familiar with Ancheer, but I have done a bit of research on ebikes. This company's website makes me nervous primarily because none of the components have their make and model listed. Maybe it's because they're using crap components or maybe it's because they don't use consistent suppliers, who knows?

It's a hub drive, but the site doesn't really specify what kind of hub. Hub drives are kind of going out of style, which may not matter to you. The model in the photos is clearly way too tall for the bike. Maybe he's just really tall, but make sure the frame size will work for you. Also, it doesn't specify what wheel size the bike has. The motor only assists up to 25 km/h. Most other motors are limited to 32km/hr. It comes unassembled.

It might be fine, or it might not. IMO, I'd keep looking. For a 4 mile commute, I'd just stick with a regular bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 29, 2019, 01:03:54 PM
It's a hub drive, but the site doesn't really specify what kind of hub. Hub drives are kind of going out of style, which may not matter to you.
I'm curious what you base this assertion on. I still see plenty of hub drive ebikes. Mid-drive ebikes do have some advantages (primarily using the drive train to work efficiently at different speeds) and disadvantages (wear on drive train and noise). I only see hub drive going out of style among the crowd who want an ebike to be more like an electric motorcycle/dirtbike than a bicycle with an assist.

Also, it doesn't specify what wheel size the bike has.
You are mistaken. All three models have a nominal wheel diameter in the specifications (26" except the 20" City folder).

The motor only assists up to 25 km/h. Most other motors are limited to 32km/hr.
This is the legal limit in most of Europe - makes me think that Europe is their primary market - I don't think this is a reason to question quality.

It comes unassembled.
Any bike shipped to the consumer rather than purchased at a dealer is going to require some assembly (though the amount of assembly required may vary).

I share your concern about quality of unspecified components and potential sizing issues.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 29, 2019, 01:08:57 PM
How do you know the cyclists are not using their bikes for transportation. They have every bit as much right as you do to use the road for transportation even if they make a different vehicle choice. Move close to an interstate highway if having a fast transportation route is that important to you.

If you can't see far enough to pass a 20 mph vehicle, is it really a road where 40 mph is a safe speed?

Many mixed use recreational trails have 15 mph speed limits. This is not appropriate for road bike training routes. Of course I do frequently see cyclists exceeding speed limits on these trails. You could argue that using a road for athletic training is not its purpose.

Because they transport their bikes to a nearby parking lot via cars and ride from there. The greenways do not have a speed limit.
Do the greenways also provide the same kind of terrain and views? My guess is that they are on the road for either training conditions that the greenway doesn't provide (steeper terrain or sharper curves) or for the vistas (not as likely since you say it can be difficult to see around the curves). I can understand some frustration by people who are on the road for transportation (the nominal purpose of the road).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
What drives me absolute bonkers when I drive is that cyclists around here (not commuting, but riding for fun/whatever) ride on two-lane, curvy roads. You can't pass them without putting your own safety at risk, because you can't see around the curves. There are greenways built specifically for people to ride for fun, and these guys would rather block traffic/put drivers at risk by riding where they do.

I know that's a car-centric view, but it is really frustrating when you have somewhere to be, but you're stuck going 15-20 mph behind cyclists in a 40 mph area.

Are the cyclists obeying the rules of the road?  If so, I'm not sure I see the problem exactly.  Pass when it's safe to do so, wait your turn when it's not.  As you're legally obligated to do.

Rather than rail against the cyclist who is out riding his bike, why not pick another route where it's easier to pass slower moving vehicles, or pick a route designed for cars where cyclists aren't allowed (like high speed freeways).  If you're going to say that using the freeway is out of the way, doesn't quite go to where you want, and would be inconvenient to use for some reason . . . you probably have a good idea of why the cyclist is on the curvy road rather than the greenway.

Maybe try leaving earlier next time so that you're not rushing against the clock to be where you need to be.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on April 01, 2019, 03:58:50 AM
What drives me absolute bonkers when I drive is that cyclists around here (not commuting, but riding for fun/whatever) ride on two-lane, curvy roads. You can't pass them without putting your own safety at risk, because you can't see around the curves. There are greenways built specifically for people to ride for fun, and these guys would rather block traffic/put drivers at risk by riding where they do.

I know that's a car-centric view, but it is really frustrating when you have somewhere to be, but you're stuck going 15-20 mph behind cyclists in a 40 mph area.

If you're stuck behind riders for a full mile at 20mph rather than doing 40mph, you'll lose all of ninety seconds. It's genuinely difficult to lose a meaningful amount of time due to cyclists riding on the road unless you end up stuck in the middle of a mass-start race or sportive.

And greenways are lovely, but I've never seen one that was suitable for fast road riding. They're generally designed with walkers, joggers and casual cyclists in mind. If you're planning to go out and put the hammer down for a couple of hours, it's madness to head for a greenway.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on April 01, 2019, 04:23:47 AM
I am planning to get an ebike for commuting and was curious if anyone is familiar with Ancheer? It looks like it wouldn't be great if I plan to ride long distance or off-road, but my commute will only be about four miles each way, with some decent hills. That is considerably cheaper than a lot of the other brands I've looked at, and I don't want to get more than I need.

Judging by the name of the brand and the grammatical errors in the descriptions, I’d guess that this is a Chinese brand venturing into the US and European markets. I guess the “made in factories in Taiwan and China” is another hint.

I personally have been riding another Chinese-brand ebike that has ventured into the US market (Yunbike) for the past two years, and I don’t have many complaints. It’s very similar to the Ancheer 20” city bike. Occasionally I need to wiggle the plug a bit (the part that connects to the battery when charging up) to get it to connect properly. And sometimes it will just stop charging even though the battery is not fully charged, so I’ll need to unplug and plug it back in. I’d say, overall, the biggest concern is the electrical components. The rest of the bike is pretty much just a normal bike, like one you might find at a local bike shop. My range is better — between 50 to 70 km, depending on how much you use the electric assist, which is good because I ride up to 40 km a day round trip.

I suspect Ancheer’s quality will be similar, though a max range of 25 km isn’t very far.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on April 01, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
I went to the library today in my new city, and I was reading all their postings on the Community Info board, and they offer a bike mentor service!  They will pair you with someone who will teach you basic bike care and also help you find a good, safe, comfortable route for your commute (that part doesn't apply to me), and will even go biking with you. 

How cool is this!

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The Alexandria Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee is launching a bike mentoring program to match less experienced riders with riders who have been biking in Alexandria for years. A mentor will work individually with each mentee to help achieve the mentee’s biking goals – whether that’s learning how to bike commute, getting comfortable biking to the farmers’ market, or figuring out how to bike safely to the nearest trail. If you’re an experienced rider who lives or works in Alexandria, please consider becoming a bike mentor.

I'm trying to get a similar program sponsored by my city, too! Good to know there are people that would get excited for it, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 01, 2019, 03:26:53 PM
I had to go around someone parked in the bike lane this morning, right where the marker becomes a dotted line to allow right-turning cars to merge. She was in the car with her window down, so I slowed down and said "Excuse me, you can't park here." I didn't stop, though, so she called after me, "I'm disabled," and I replied over my shoulder "It's a bike lane" before I was out of earshot.

I'm not sure what disability had to do with it; we weren't near any buildings she could want a short walk to enter. I guess if I wanted to understand I would have stopped. At least I can say the whole exchange had a civil tone.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on April 01, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
@DadJokes thanks for voicing your frustration. I'm a converted bicyclist from a car-centric-city upbringing so I've had a lot of conversations where similar responses pop up.
My personal belief is that most of the frustrations are when both groups are misunderstanding the other or have unclear expectations of the other.
I'm putting together some information and I think your perspective on the project would be helpful. Would you be willing to input on the content and communication style? (it's not quite ready yet, so don't get too eager)

ETA: anyone else interested in inputting on a Let's-all-understand-each-other Traffic Presentation?
It might be naive, but I'd like to try a different approach than the other bike presentations out there.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on April 01, 2019, 05:24:07 PM
@DadJokes thanks for voicing your frustration. I'm a converted bicyclist from a car-centric-city upbringing so I've had a lot of conversations where similar responses pop up.
My personal belief is that most of the frustrations are when both groups are misunderstanding the other or have unclear expectations of the other.
I'm putting together some information and I think your perspective on the project would be helpful. Would you be willing to input on the content and communication style? (it's not quite ready yet, so don't get too eager)

ETA: anyone else interested in inputting on a Let's-all-understand-each-other Traffic Presentation?
It might be naive, but I'd like to try a different approach than the other bike presentations out there.
100% of microaggressions are unintentional...

Cyclists aren't on the roads to deliberately slow you down, make you nervous or force you into bad situations....
Motorists aren't on the roads to purposefully mow down cyclists, make them nervous or force them into bad situations....

Hey motorist, you're driving pretty patiently and responsibly. Thanks for your kindness!
Hey cyclist, you're lookin' pretty good out there on the road. Keep up the good work!

Inhale, exhale, move on, repeat...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 03, 2019, 10:34:05 AM
Since my first rain-biking experience my chain has been squeaking in a new way, so I finally bought chain lube.

I also probably need to buy a new front light, but I'm still hoping the old one will turn up somewhere... (I'm reasonably sure it got lost rather than stolen.)

On the subject of regular maintenance, how do you know when your brakes need replacing? Presumably you want to get that done before the day when they just don't stop you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 03, 2019, 12:10:09 PM
Since my first rain-biking experience my chain has been squeaking in a new way, so I finally bought chain lube.

I also probably need to buy a new front light, but I'm still hoping the old one will turn up somewhere... (I'm reasonably sure it got lost rather than stolen.)

On the subject of regular maintenance, how do you know when your brakes need replacing? Presumably you want to get that done before the day when they just don't stop you.

Depends on the kind of brakes you've got.  If you have regular rim brakes, you'll notice that the pads get thinner with use.  Usually there are markings (notches) on the pads.  Once the brake has worn down to where you can't see the markings any more it's time to replace the pad.

Pads will tend to wear much faster if you cycle in the rain, if you're a heavier rider, or if you often find yourself using the brakes to come to a stop from high speed.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 03, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
Since my first rain-biking experience my chain has been squeaking in a new way, so I finally bought chain lube.

I also probably need to buy a new front light, but I'm still hoping the old one will turn up somewhere... (I'm reasonably sure it got lost rather than stolen.)

On the subject of regular maintenance, how do you know when your brakes need replacing? Presumably you want to get that done before the day when they just don't stop you.

Depends on the kind of brakes you've got.  If you have regular rim brakes, you'll notice that the pads get thinner with use.  Usually there are markings (notches) on the pads.  Once the brake has worn down to where you can't see the markings any more it's time to replace the pad.

Pads will tend to wear much faster if you cycle in the rain, if you're a heavier rider, or if you often find yourself using the brakes to come to a stop from high speed.

This. And you only have to replace the rubber pad, not the whole brake mechanism. If you ride in wet weather often, I highly recommend Kool Stop pads. They're a little more money, but they last longer and stop better than the cheaper brands.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: philli14 on April 03, 2019, 01:22:33 PM
This thread has made me feel very pathetic, so thank you!!

I am ~3mo into really implementing MMM principles into my life. I have been very pleased with the progress, the changes in my life and the quality of life improvement on what was already a pretty great life!

More specifically to this thread, I was very proud of myself for finding a free used beat up bike on craigslist, watching youtube videos and fixing it up at the cost of only the parts. 125$ later I had brand new road tires, inner tubes, a bike repair kit, front and rear bike lights, chain lube and brake pads. I successfully installed everything and now have a functional working bicycle.

I was also proud of myself for using the bike to commute to the gym and have been commuting to work on 50% of work days.

However...

1. I live in sunny northern CA. Sure, it's been a little rainy as of late, but the weather on my work commute is BEAUTIFUL.
2. My work commute is pretty much entirely flat except for one small hill that takes all of (an intense) 10seconds to get up.
3. My work commute is 2.5 miles.. 5 miles round trip. Takes about 15 minutes, 30 minutes round trip.

Reading what some of you guys have to deal with, I'm such a whimp!! Can't believe I have only been able to do 50% of work days. I really have no excuse to drive to work at all.

SO, starting on April 1st, I am going to try to pump this number up to 100%. Posting here for accountability :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 03, 2019, 01:42:38 PM
Since my first rain-biking experience my chain has been squeaking in a new way, so I finally bought chain lube.

I also probably need to buy a new front light, but I'm still hoping the old one will turn up somewhere... (I'm reasonably sure it got lost rather than stolen.)

On the subject of regular maintenance, how do you know when your brakes need replacing? Presumably you want to get that done before the day when they just don't stop you.

Depends on the kind of brakes you've got.  If you have regular rim brakes, you'll notice that the pads get thinner with use.  Usually there are markings (notches) on the pads.  Once the brake has worn down to where you can't see the markings any more it's time to replace the pad.

Pads will tend to wear much faster if you cycle in the rain, if you're a heavier rider, or if you often find yourself using the brakes to come to a stop from high speed.

This. And you only have to replace the rubber pad, not the whole brake mechanism. If you ride in wet weather often, I highly recommend Kool Stop pads. They're a little more money, but they last longer and stop better than the cheaper brands.

+1 Kool Stop!  I really like the Kool Stop salmon and black ones for regular use or just the plain salmon ones for winter (wet) riding.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on April 03, 2019, 04:32:37 PM
This thread has made me feel very pathetic, so thank you!!

I am ~3mo into really implementing MMM principles into my life. I have been very pleased with the progress, the changes in my life and the quality of life improvement on what was already a pretty great life!

More specifically to this thread, I was very proud of myself for finding a free used beat up bike on craigslist, watching youtube videos and fixing it up at the cost of only the parts. 125$ later I had brand new road tires, inner tubes, a bike repair kit, front and rear bike lights, chain lube and brake pads. I successfully installed everything and now have a functional working bicycle.

I was also proud of myself for using the bike to commute to the gym and have been commuting to work on 50% of work days.

However...

1. I live in sunny northern CA. Sure, it's been a little rainy as of late, but the weather on my work commute is BEAUTIFUL.
2. My work commute is pretty much entirely flat except for one small hill that takes all of (an intense) 10seconds to get up.
3. My work commute is 2.5 miles.. 5 miles round trip. Takes about 15 minutes, 30 minutes round trip.

Reading what some of you guys have to deal with, I'm such a whimp!! Can't believe I have only been able to do 50% of work days. I really have no excuse to drive to work at all.

SO, starting on April 1st, I am going to try to pump this number up to 100%. Posting here for accountability :)

Very nice!  Honestly, I feel like 100% is almost easier than 50%, similar to how I feel about working out.  100% is a habit, automatic, and no thought goes into the decision.  50% can invite procrastination and excuses, at least for me.  Now, my bike commute isn't difficult, so maybe I'd feel differently if it were unpleasant for some reason. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: philli14 on April 03, 2019, 07:16:44 PM
This thread has made me feel very pathetic, so thank you!!

I am ~3mo into really implementing MMM principles into my life. I have been very pleased with the progress, the changes in my life and the quality of life improvement on what was already a pretty great life!

More specifically to this thread, I was very proud of myself for finding a free used beat up bike on craigslist, watching youtube videos and fixing it up at the cost of only the parts. 125$ later I had brand new road tires, inner tubes, a bike repair kit, front and rear bike lights, chain lube and brake pads. I successfully installed everything and now have a functional working bicycle.

I was also proud of myself for using the bike to commute to the gym and have been commuting to work on 50% of work days.

However...

1. I live in sunny northern CA. Sure, it's been a little rainy as of late, but the weather on my work commute is BEAUTIFUL.
2. My work commute is pretty much entirely flat except for one small hill that takes all of (an intense) 10seconds to get up.
3. My work commute is 2.5 miles.. 5 miles round trip. Takes about 15 minutes, 30 minutes round trip.

Reading what some of you guys have to deal with, I'm such a whimp!! Can't believe I have only been able to do 50% of work days. I really have no excuse to drive to work at all.

SO, starting on April 1st, I am going to try to pump this number up to 100%. Posting here for accountability :)

Very nice!  Honestly, I feel like 100% is almost easier than 50%, similar to how I feel about working out.  100% is a habit, automatic, and no thought goes into the decision.  50% can invite procrastination and excuses, at least for me.  Now, my bike commute isn't difficult, so maybe I'd feel differently if it were unpleasant for some reason.

Yep, spot on. Short of me sleeping through my alarm and car being the only way to make it to work on time (won't happen), making it 100% leaves it decision-less. Well put, I didn't think of it that way!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 04, 2019, 06:51:05 AM
Question for y’all: what recommendations do you have for rain gear?  My area  rains a lot and it’s preventing me from biking to work every day. Any maintenance to do given my bike will be sitting out in the rain?

You bike will be fine as long as you keep stuff lubed up (this basically means lube your chain every week or so and regrease your brake pivots, headset, bottom bracket, and any screws that go into the frame for racks/fenders once or twice a year)

Generally speaking with rain gear I just try to keep warm.  As long as I can avoid being too chilled, getting wet doesn't matter.  Waterproof cycling gear tends to make you sweat so much that you're soaked when you get there anyway.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on April 04, 2019, 08:13:51 AM
Question for y’all: what recommendations do you have for rain gear?  My area  rains a lot and it’s preventing me from biking to work every day. Any maintenance to do given my bike will be sitting out in the rain?

Rain jacket I have that's been working great: North Face Venture 2.  More of a shell so it's not too warm (but you can layer if necessary), and it's proven to be waterproof thus far.  My previous jacket - cheap off of Amazon - was decidedly not.  Since my preference is to wear my work clothes on my bike in the morning, a waterproof-but-not-hot jacket is very helpful.

Haven't found good, inexpensive waterproof pants.  I've been wearing cheap Amazon bike pants that are water-resistant.  I did buy some rain booties (off of Amazon - any patterns here?) as well that have mostly kept my feet dry as long as I manage the layering to prevent water seeping down from the top, which has allowed me to wear my work shoes underneath. 

No recommendations on gloves yet.  Mine got soaked.  I did pick up a new pair during Performance Bike's closing sales that theoretically may do better, but we've exited the rainy season in SoCal where I live, so they haven't yet been tested. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 04, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
I live in the PNW and the basic gist of riding in the rain is that you get wet. Think of it as adding to the authentic outdoor experience.

That being said, I switched to an oversized, waterproof cycling rain jacket this winter. I don't love that it's kind of plasticky and makes me sweat. This is why a picked a bigger size, it gives me more ventilation and it's got huge pit zips so I can open it up like a poncho. I mostly bought it because it's bright yellow with lots of reflective strips on it, including my arms so hopefully my arm signals will be more visible. Anyway, if you get a rain jacket, pick a really bright color so you'll be more visible to cars.

I ride clipless and wear neoprene booties over my cycling shoes. These keep my feet warm, and my shoes less wet. Highly recommend.

For pants I just wear ordinary athletic tights and then change when I get to work. When it's cold I wear fleece lined tights. These are the bomb.

Make sure your lights are switched on in the rain for increased visibility.

Your bike will be fine sitting out in the rain. Make sure it's got fenders so you don't get road grit sprayed all over you (you'll still get some). The PITA part about wet weather riding is cleaning the sand and grit off your drivetrain (gears and chain) and wheel rims (if you've got rim brakes). All that grit really wears out your drivetrain and wheel rims. You don't technically have to clean it, but it will run better and last longer if you do. Scroll up through this thread for cleaning advice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 04, 2019, 11:45:12 AM
This thread has made me feel very pathetic, so thank you!!
...
More specifically to this thread, I was very proud of myself for finding a free used beat up bike on craigslist, watching youtube videos and fixing it up at the cost of only the parts. 125$ later I had brand new road tires, inner tubes, a bike repair kit, front and rear bike lights, chain lube and brake pads. I successfully installed everything and now have a functional working bicycle.

I was also proud of myself for using the bike to commute to the gym and have been commuting to work on 50% of work days.

However...

1. I live in sunny northern CA. Sure, it's been a little rainy as of late, but the weather on my work commute is BEAUTIFUL.
2. My work commute is pretty much entirely flat except for one small hill that takes all of (an intense) 10seconds to get up.
3. My work commute is 2.5 miles.. 5 miles round trip. Takes about 15 minutes, 30 minutes round trip.

Reading what some of you guys have to deal with, I'm such a whimp!! Can't believe I have only been able to do 50% of work days. I really have no excuse to drive to work at all.

SO, starting on April 1st, I am going to try to pump this number up to 100%. Posting here for accountability :)
Welcome from another northern California wimp. My commute is also mostly flat and fairly short (4.5 miles - my one small hill is on the route with best bike infrastructure; but I can avoid it if I want to). This winter my commute trips by bike: 65% in November, 43% in December, 41% in January, 50% in February, 70% in March. Soon we'll be back to consistently dry weather and bike share of commute trips will be nearly 100% again. If you're in the Sacramento Region, sign up for MayIsBikeMonth.com (http://MayIsBikeMonth.com).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: philli14 on April 04, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
Welcome from another northern California wimp. My commute is also mostly flat and fairly short (4.5 miles - my one small hill is on the route with best bike infrastructure; but I can avoid it if I want to). This winter my commute trips by bike: 65% in November, 43% in December, 41% in January, 50% in February, 70% in March. Soon we'll be back to consistently dry weather and bike share of commute trips will be nearly 100% again. If you're in the Sacramento Region, sign up for MayIsBikeMonth.com (http://MayIsBikeMonth.com).

Thanks! I like the percentages. I've been tracking mileage car/bike and looking at my miles biked as a percentage of total, pretty revealing:

February: 33.6 biked / 292 driven (10.3%)
March: 34.7 biked / 538 driven (6.0%.. ouch, too many trips to sac and davis)
April: goal is to bike more miles than driven (>50%)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on April 04, 2019, 01:47:53 PM
Question for y’all: what recommendations do you have for rain gear?  My area  rains a lot and it’s preventing me from biking to work every day. Any maintenance to do given my bike will be sitting out in the rain?

You bike will be fine as long as you keep stuff lubed up (this basically means lube your chain every week or so and regrease your brake pivots, headset, bottom bracket, and any screws that go into the frame for racks/fenders once or twice a year)

Generally speaking with rain gear I just try to keep warm.  As long as I can avoid being too chilled, getting wet doesn't matter.  Waterproof cycling gear tends to make you sweat so much that you're soaked when you get there anyway.  :P

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 04, 2019, 02:57:33 PM
Thanks! I like the percentages. I've been tracking mileage car/bike and looking at my miles biked as a percentage of total, pretty revealing:

February: 33.6 biked / 292 driven (10.3%)
March: 34.7 biked / 538 driven (6.0%.. ouch, too many trips to sac and davis)
April: goal is to bike more miles than driven (>50%)
My percentage is just for my commute trips. Fortunately most of my non-bike commute trips are transit (though sometimes my wife drops me off or picks me up). Unfortunately much of my non-commute (church, family activities, shopping and other errands) transport is by car (though usually with my wife) - I easily travel more miles by car even when my commute is at 100% bike. Best way to reduce the percentage of non-commute trips by bike would be to get my wife an e-bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 08, 2019, 08:48:03 AM
Looks like I ought to clean my chain before putting lube on it? Or should I just lube it now and worry about cleaning another time?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 08, 2019, 10:06:28 AM
dirty chain no lube < clean chain no lube < dirty chain w lube < clean chain w lube

Further right the better!


The fastest way to clean your chain I've found is to whack it with some WD40 and then carefully wipe off all excess with a rag.  Let it sit overnight, wipe off any further excess with a rag, and re-lube.  It's probably worth running a rag along the teeth on your cassette and chain ring (as well as jockey wheels) while you do this.  All told, this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 08, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Looks like I ought to clean my chain before putting lube on it? Or should I just lube it now and worry about cleaning another time?
Lots of "religion" in chain care as mentioned previously. The primary theory against lubing without cleaning is that the lube will transport the grime to the inner surfaces and wear the chain faster than if you hadn't added the lube. I recommend cleaning as thoroughly as possible before lubing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 08, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
dirty chain no lube < clean chain no lube < dirty chain w lube < clean chain w lube

Exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I can probably manage all that on Tuesday night.

This morning I realized right outside my apartment complex that I'd forgotten something, so I pulled onto the sidewalk to turn around, clipped a fire hydrant, and ripped off my pannier. One of the clips is broken. I'll see whether it's fixable by superglue, but that's a very disappointing development. I have a bungee net and backpack as a fallback for now.

I also had a guy continue to accelerate toward me as I merged (with TONS of space) into his lane today, which was freaky. I couldn't see if he could see me, so I swerved - probably not the best idea - and he slowed down in time, looked at me (now in a different lane), and then accelerated again to pass. The guy behind him let me in. Wish I had this bike horn working.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on April 08, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
I also had a guy continue to accelerate toward me as I merged (with TONS of space) into his lane today, which was freaky. I couldn't see if he could see me, so I swerved - probably not the best idea - and he slowed down in time, looked at me (now in a different lane), and then accelerated again to pass. The guy behind him let me in. Wish I had this bike horn working.

That's always been my hardest obstacle to overcome when biking: getting over the assholes*. They're probably no more than 1% of the population, but they ruin it for me on days where they make their presence known. My sympathies.

*Not to discount the biking assholes (which I wouldn't believe existed if I hadn't seen it myself). I was stopped at a red light and a couple riding their bikes came to a stop at the light perpendicular to mine. The guy got off his bike, and in his flip flops kicked the car that drove up next to them. The guy in the car got out and a fistfight started in the middle of the street. The girl on the other bike looked like she wanted to vanish. Unfortunately my light turned green and I missed the rest of the story.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 08, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
I also had a guy continue to accelerate toward me as I merged (with TONS of space) into his lane today, which was freaky. I couldn't see if he could see me, so I swerved - probably not the best idea - and he slowed down in time, looked at me (now in a different lane), and then accelerated again to pass. The guy behind him let me in. Wish I had this bike horn working.

That's always been my hardest obstacle to overcome when biking: getting over the assholes*. They're probably no more than 1% of the population, but they ruin it for me on days where they make their presence known. My sympathies.

*Not to discount the biking assholes (which I wouldn't believe existed if I hadn't seen it myself). I was stopped at a red light and a couple riding their bikes came to a stop at the light perpendicular to mine. The guy got off his bike, and in his flip flops kicked the car that drove up next to them. The guy in the car got out and a fistfight started in the middle of the street. The girl on the other bike looked like she wanted to vanish. Unfortunately my light turned green and I missed the rest of the story.

Interesting tale. I’ve had to deal with enough idiots just in the last month to give the cyclist the benefit of the doubt. I don’t know what the relative a-hole versus moron % is in my area, but I’d say the just plain crappy/clueless/malevolent percentage is roughly one out of every 10 or 20.

I don’t think bike commuting will ever become more prevalent than clown cars as a result. I do not mind being a trend setter, but I won’t lie to folks:  bike commuting can be darn scary.

I'm willing to bet $100 internet dollars the guy in the car nearly hit the dude on the bike sometime before they both reached the intersection.

I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 08, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
No garden hoses available in an apartment complex! All materials must be carried down three flights of stairs and across the parking garage...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on April 08, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
I'm willing to bet $100 internet dollars the guy in the car nearly hit the dude on the bike sometime before they both reached the intersection.

I don't doubt it. But is road rage the answer? (Completely rhetorical, because maybe it was the right answer in that situation....)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 08, 2019, 08:28:33 PM
I have myself wishing for a second bike bell, really a loud, annoying bike horn. The bell is polite for letting peds know I am overtaking them. I need something obnoxious to let cars know to back off or stop being idiots.

**
Back on the bike today after two weeks being on business travel. I went to the gym every day while gone but doing different exercises (run, elliptical, swim). Maybe it is that or maybe it is the jet lag, but I was really slow and really tired today. Better luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 09, 2019, 07:54:55 AM
I'm willing to bet $100 internet dollars the guy in the car nearly hit the dude on the bike sometime before they both reached the intersection.

I don't doubt it. But is road rage the answer? (Completely rhetorical, because maybe it was the right answer in that situation....)

Maybe, maybe not. I don’t advocate vigilantism. But I might have stood up and cheered had I been there and known the whole story.

I’ve had enough close calls with the clueless/indifferent/ malevolent drivers. If we ever want bike commuting to become a thing, dealing with that is going to become a key. And I think it can be. At one time in my memory, drunk driving wasn’t a big deal. Lots of people died. Then MADD came on the scene. Maybe we need Mustachians Against Idiotic Drivers (MAIDs)?

Have you ever talked with a police officer about a traffic incident that occurred while you were on your bike?  If not, prepare yourself to be either laughed out of the room, or blamed for the evil of dangerously following the rules legally prescribed for cycling on the road.  I don't advocate vigilantism, and tend to try to withdraw from confrontation always trying to remember that people make mistakes . . . but if you're interested in justice for a flagrantly and willfully unsafe incident that happens while cycling vigilantism it's very likely the only way that you'll get it.

Cyclists are not treated as equal citizens in the eyes of the law in my experience.  If we can fix that, it will go an awful long way towards fixing the problem of dangerous driving around cyclists.



Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: philli14 on April 09, 2019, 09:01:23 AM
Thought for the day as I was cycling into work...

Don't underestimate the power of positive reinforcement when you're out on the bike. A simple wave, hand gesture, smile, nod, etc. in thanks when a vehicle drives safely near you (recognizes you, eye contact, let's you merge, is cautious around you, doesn't endanger you with a narrow pass, etc.) can go a long way into reinforcing these behaviors!

Even though it is not something that should be celebrated/encouraged (it just SHOULD happen), we all know it doesn't happen all the time. Further, we humans like being recognized for doing something "nice", which is likely what many drivers feel they are being when they drive cautiously around you. At the very least, the reinforcement will help those drivers be more wary of cyclists in the future.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 09, 2019, 03:31:54 PM
I have myself wishing for a second bike bell, really a loud, annoying bike horn. The bell is polite for letting peds know I am overtaking them. I need something obnoxious to let cars know to back off or stop being idiots.


I've considered putting an airhorn on my bike. Should be plenty loud enough to get driver's attention.

So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?

I'll go first. Today I made my second ever trip to the cardiologist by bike. The nice thing about showing up in bike shoes and carrying panniers is that the staff treat you really, really well. You get the gold star treatment because you're obviously doing your best to keep from getting decrepit.

The downside is that you're a bit smellier, especially when you have to keep taking your shirt off.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 09, 2019, 04:59:47 PM
Ooh, that is an interesting question. I think I mostly haven’t ridden anywhere interesting. I went to a ear doctor appointment on my bike, but I don’t think I looked like a biker once I took off my neon yellow windbreaker.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 09, 2019, 05:08:18 PM
I just bought a new combo light and horn. We'll see how it fares. Also, for those following at home, superglue was not sufficient to fix my pannier clip.

I haven't ridden anywhere that weird... maybe the library? Last weekend I tried to fit my Trader Joe's haul into a yoga mat bag because I made an impulsive decision to stop for groceries, forgetting I had nothing to carry them. (I failed and had to ride home with a TJ's bag dangling from a handlebar.)

I'm in a facebook Buy Nothing group and many times have had to explain that I can't pick something up until the weekend, because the gifter's house is too far (read: across a ravine) from mine to fit into my daily commute. Actually, speaking of the BN group, I've been thinking about offering to be a bike buddy for anyone along my route who's just starting out and learning to be comfortable merging with cars, etc. I'm obviously no expert at maintenance, but I think I've learned the area pretty well.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: slipslop on April 09, 2019, 06:31:38 PM
So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?

Rode home from the podiatrist... after having an ingrown toenail removed.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 09, 2019, 08:31:52 PM
The fastest way to clean your chain I've found is to whack it with some WD40 and then carefully wipe off all excess with a rag.  Let it sit overnight, wipe off any further excess with a rag, and re-lube.  It's probably worth running a rag along the teeth on your cassette and chain ring (as well as jockey wheels) while you do this.  All told, this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

I did this this evening - the chain never stopped leaving black on the rag, despite me certainly using way too much WD40. Does that mean I didn't clean enough, or should I just go back at it with the rag tomorrow and lube whatever I've got at that point?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on April 10, 2019, 07:44:16 AM

So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?


I do almost all of my errands by bike now, unless it's too far and I can't find a safe route (my dentist), or I need to bring the kids. 

Probably the weirdest one was where I had some friends unexpectedly show up at a bar a few miles away and invite me out.  Showed up on my bike, which amused them.  For the safety-conscious, I only had one drink.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 10, 2019, 08:43:03 AM
The fastest way to clean your chain I've found is to whack it with some WD40 and then carefully wipe off all excess with a rag.  Let it sit overnight, wipe off any further excess with a rag, and re-lube.  It's probably worth running a rag along the teeth on your cassette and chain ring (as well as jockey wheels) while you do this.  All told, this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

I did this this evening - the chain never stopped leaving black on the rag, despite me certainly using way too much WD40. Does that mean I didn't clean enough, or should I just go back at it with the rag tomorrow and lube whatever I've got at that point?

It's good to see black on the rag . . . that's all crap that was stuck to your chain! 

Go back at it tomorrow and you should be able to get the black to come free.  Most of the stuff will drip out or evaporate by the morning.

I don't usually soak the chain in WD-40 though, just a quick blast as I spin the pedals.  If I don't wipe off all the WD-40 then it will prevent the lube from adhering properly to the chain.  You might need to wipe the chain down and relube again the day after too if this is the case.

This is my speedy/half assed way of cleaning the chain in the winter when I'm cold and want to go inside.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 10, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
The fastest way to clean your chain I've found is to whack it with some WD40 and then carefully wipe off all excess with a rag.  Let it sit overnight, wipe off any further excess with a rag, and re-lube.  It's probably worth running a rag along the teeth on your cassette and chain ring (as well as jockey wheels) while you do this.  All told, this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

I did this this evening - the chain never stopped leaving black on the rag, despite me certainly using way too much WD40. Does that mean I didn't clean enough, or should I just go back at it with the rag tomorrow and lube whatever I've got at that point?

It's good to see black on the rag . . . that's all crap that was stuck to your chain! 

Go back at it tomorrow and you should be able to get the black to come free.  Most of the stuff will drip out or evaporate by the morning.

I don't usually soak the chain in WD-40 though, just a quick blast as I spin the pedals.  If I don't wipe off all the WD-40 then it will prevent the lube from adhering properly to the chain.  You might need to wipe the chain down and relube again the day after too if this is the case.

This is my speedy/half assed way of cleaning the chain in the winter when I'm cold and want to go inside.  :P

Another simple way to clean it would be to take the chain off and stick it in a water bottle with some degreaser. Shake it up so the degreaser can dissolve all the crud and let it sit for a while. Shake again and then take out the chain. I usually cut the bottle open to get the chain out. Rinse well with lots of water in the sink.

Getting the chain on and off is made much easier if it's had a quick link added. Most replacement chains come with this now, but if yours doesn't have one, you can ask your bike shop to add one.

I just use citrus degreaser from the hardware store. It's cheap and works great. The stuff branded for bike cleaning tends to be more dilute and much more expensive.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 10, 2019, 10:05:19 AM
Yeah, that's what I do in the summer usually.  I find that pulling a chain off and putting one back on is kinda a PITA when it's twenty below in a dark garage though.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on April 10, 2019, 10:12:15 AM

So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?


I do almost all of my errands by bike now, unless it's too far and I can't find a safe route (my dentist), or I need to bring the kids. 

Probably the weirdest one was where I had some friends unexpectedly show up at a bar a few miles away and invite me out.  Showed up on my bike, which amused them.  For the safety-conscious, I only had one drink.

Bikes and bars go hand in hand. I figure drunk biking to be much more safe for all involved than drunk driving. (It helps to finds bars close to home.)

Probably the craziest place I rode my bike was to my son's parent-teacher conference. It wasn't the act itself, but it was the fact that I needed to ride about fifteen miles from work on a 100-degree F afternoon. I was an embarrassed sweaty mess for the occasion. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 10, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?
Nothing very crazy.

I've biked to various temp jobs. It's a bit of a challenge to go someplace new and be worried about first impressions. Most are in large office buildings where you can change in the restroom off the main lobby before making a first impression. Sometimes I've had to find a convenience store nearby and ask to change in the restroom. Furthest I've traveled for work was 20 miles (one time only and it wasn't my first day on that assignment).

Memorial Day service at a cemetery 20 miles from home (I think I've done this one 3 years running - I tend to go bike crazy in May for our regional MayIsBikeMonth).

Camping with my brother (he hauled most of the gear in a trailer).

Church (also in may).

IKEA - I just went there on a whim biking around on a glorious spring Saturday a few weeks ago. I didn't buy anything however, I do wish I had a bike trailer like MMM's that I could bring home furniture in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 10, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
I used to regularly ride my bike about 10 km to a farmer's market just outside of town.  It was cool because I got to roll by the two football fields of car parking and park my bike at the gate.  On one of these trips I carried back two 10 lb bags of apples (panniers), some assorted veggies, and a 15lb pumpkin in a large plastic box lashed to the top of my rack with some creative bungeeing.  Cycling with the weight was fine, but it was really hard to keep the bike from flipping over when stopped.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on April 11, 2019, 02:13:12 PM
@DadJokes thanks for voicing your frustration. I'm a converted bicyclist from a car-centric-city upbringing so I've had a lot of conversations where similar responses pop up.
My personal belief is that most of the frustrations are when both groups are misunderstanding the other or have unclear expectations of the other.
I'm putting together some information and I think your perspective on the project would be helpful. Would you be willing to input on the content and communication style? (it's not quite ready yet, so don't get too eager)

ETA: anyone else interested in inputting on a Let's-all-understand-each-other Traffic Presentation?
It might be naive, but I'd like to try a different approach than the other bike presentations out there.

Sure, I would be happy to.

Sorry @DadJokes, I've been MIA recently.
Thank you for your willingness! I'll PM you when I have something to review (might be a month or more)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on April 11, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
Thought for the day as I was cycling into work...

Don't underestimate the power of positive reinforcement when you're out on the bike. A simple wave, hand gesture, smile, nod, etc. in thanks when a vehicle drives safely near you (recognizes you, eye contact, let's you merge, is cautious around you, doesn't endanger you with a narrow pass, etc.) can go a long way into reinforcing these behaviors!

Even though it is not something that should be celebrated/encouraged (it just SHOULD happen), we all know it doesn't happen all the time. Further, we humans like being recognized for doing something "nice", which is likely what many drivers feel they are being when they drive cautiously around you. At the very least, the reinforcement will help those drivers be more wary of cyclists in the future.
This x1 million.  I'm a smiling, waving, head nodding fool when I'm on my bike and a driver exhibits great behavior.

However, I also don't shy away from giving 1-1 feedback. Which hasn't ever resulted in "Oh, I'm sorry. I'll do better next time."
It physically pains me to think that I just sat back and let something happen. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", and all that.  Because that's how you get ants Hitler.
What if the driver was just never told that what they did was inappropriate?

For others with this urge to communicate, how do you keep it to yourself? Do you think you should?


*FYI, I though maybe this urge could be balanced with doing something else to increase awareness/education. So I am actively working with my city and community to create a Bicycle Traffic Awareness program.
But it is still so hard to sit by while someone threatens harm on another human being.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on April 11, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
So, to change the subject, where's the craziest place you've ridden your bike so far?

The eye doctor receptionists got a kick out of me showing up and asking where the nearest bike rack was. Turns out there wasn't one in the whole strip mall, but they happily suggested to keep my bike in the lobby.
"You're the second person to show up on a bike. There's this man that came in last week, and it was snowing!"  Ya...that man is my husband. Ha.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 11, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
"You're the second person to show up on a bike. There's this man that came in last week, and it was snowing!"  Ya...that man is my husband. Ha.

Ha!

That reminds me that I did once ride my bike to a very fancy hotel where I was meeting a visiting professor for a meal. Zipped right up to the valet and asked where I could park it. They offered to keep it in a maintenance closet (for free) and concluded I didn't need a valet receipt because it was the only bike in there.

By the way, my ride is wonderfully quiet and squeak-free now that my chain is clean(ish) and lubed!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on April 11, 2019, 07:14:57 PM
Thought for the day as I was cycling into work...

Don't underestimate the power of positive reinforcement when you're out on the bike. A simple wave, hand gesture, smile, nod, etc. in thanks when a vehicle drives safely near you (recognizes you, eye contact, let's you merge, is cautious around you, doesn't endanger you with a narrow pass, etc.) can go a long way into reinforcing these behaviors!

Even though it is not something that should be celebrated/encouraged (it just SHOULD happen), we all know it doesn't happen all the time. Further, we humans like being recognized for doing something "nice", which is likely what many drivers feel they are being when they drive cautiously around you. At the very least, the reinforcement will help those drivers be more wary of cyclists in the future.
This x1 million.  I'm a smiling, waving, head nodding fool when I'm on my bike and a driver exhibits great behavior.

However, I also don't shy away from giving 1-1 feedback. Which hasn't ever resulted in "Oh, I'm sorry. I'll do better next time."
It physically pains me to think that I just sat back and let something happen. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", and all that.  Because that's how you get ants Hitler.
What if the driver was just never told that what they did was inappropriate?

For others with this urge to communicate, how do you keep it to yourself? Do you think you should?


*FYI, I though maybe this urge could be balanced with doing something else to increase awareness/education. So I am actively working with my city and community to create a Bicycle Traffic Awareness program.
But it is still so hard to sit by while someone threatens harm on another human being.

LOL!  I don’t have an issue with repressing my urge to communicate. Its pretty much primal scream therapy. I really need to work on that; we’re supposed to be bicycle ambassadors I suppose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 11, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
I just got yelled at out a car window for the very first time. Didn't catch a word of it. I'll assume it was encouragement.

To be fair, I WAS being somewhat unpredictable immediately prior. I was biking with my boyfriend for the first time, and he's not used to biking on the road. We were occupying the rightmost lane beside a lane of parked cars, when the parking area ended and a new rightmost lane opened up. I signaled to take it, but he didn't see me, with the result that we both scooted right but ended up sort of on the lane divider. Then the guy behind me honked, which SUPER helped me communicate with my partner (I had to shout), we merged right, and someone in the backseat shouted at us as they passed. It's hard to care without even knowing what he said, though.

Related: that was an EXTREMELY aggravating stretch of road to bike, with constant switches between bike lane present, parked car lane present, three lanes with rightmost marked to share with bikes, or - at one point - just two marked lanes, but the right one was double-wide. I'm enjoying my commute, but that ride was stressful. It's too bad the library is on the other side of it. I might honestly rather walk 4 miles round trip.

Final note: I just received my combo bike light and horn, so I am improving my ability to communicate! Kinda psyched.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on April 12, 2019, 06:33:39 AM
I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.

Good recommendation -- I'll have to get one of these! How do you guys clean your chainrings / gear cogs?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: NorthernMonkey on April 12, 2019, 08:11:56 AM
I use iso propyl alcohol and an old rag. Pour some alcohol on the rag, grab the bottom
Of the chain and turn the pedals a few times. Repeat until clean. If you keep the chain clean, it takes 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 12, 2019, 09:19:55 AM
Related: that was an EXTREMELY aggravating stretch of road to bike, with constant switches between bike lane present, parked car lane present, three lanes with rightmost marked to share with bikes, or - at one point - just two marked lanes, but the right one was double-wide. I'm enjoying my commute, but that ride was stressful. It's too bad the library is on the other side of it. I might honestly rather walk 4 miles round trip.
Yeah, busy roads with inconsistent bike infrastructure is annoying. One street I commute on has two regular trafic lanes in each direction. The first block I ride has a school - there is a striped bike lane with signs and pavement markings. The next block is around a right hand curve and mostly has residences - the striping is the same, but the bike lane is not marked and the residents regularly park in the lane even though it's not wide enough so the cars straddle the solid white line (I assume it was intended as a bike lane, but someone removed the signs and parking restrictions are never enforced). Then the street straightens out and has businesses on it - bike lane striping goes away and sharrows are painted in the right hand traffic lane. The shoulder is wide enough for parking here, but there are rarely parked vehicles at the time I ride there, so I don't usually need to take the lane. Fortunately I usually take this trip before the street gets busy in the morning.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 12, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.

Good recommendation -- I'll have to get one of these! How do you guys clean your chainrings / gear cogs?

I pour a bit of degreaser in an old ice cream bucket and use a tile brush from the hardware store to scrub the degreaser over all the cogs. Don't forget he jockeys (cogs) on the rear derailler. They collect the most gunk and they're usually plastic. https://www.homedepot.com/p/M-D-Building-Products-Tile-and-Grout-Brush-49146/205329342 See how it only costs a couple bucks?

You can also get a bike specific version of the same brush for 2-5x the cost. Or not.

I also use an old, thin rag dipped in a bit of the degreaser to wipe off the wheel rims because I have rim brakes. Wiping off all the sand and grit that accumulates on them from riding in wet weather makes my wheel rims last longer. Otherwise, the grit sands down the rims every time I apply the brakes.

After everything's been degreased and wiped off, make sure to spray off all the degreaser.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 12, 2019, 10:22:09 AM
I pour a bit of degreaser in an old ice cream bucket and use a tile brush from the hardware store to scrub the degreaser over all the cogs. Don't forget he jockeys (cogs) on the rear derailler. They collect the most gunk and they're usually plastic. https://www.homedepot.com/p/M-D-Building-Products-Tile-and-Grout-Brush-49146/205329342 See how it only costs a couple bucks?

You can also get a bike specific version of the same brush for 2-5x the cost. Or not.
The bike specific one from Park Tools is about $5 and the handle end is designed to be thin enough to use to pick out gunk between the gears on the rear wheel. I've gone with the free version - a retired toothbrush; but that doesn't work so well if you use those fancy electric toothbrushes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on April 12, 2019, 02:26:30 PM

Related: that was an EXTREMELY aggravating stretch of road to bike, with constant switches between bike lane present, parked car lane present, three lanes with rightmost marked to share with bikes, or - at one point - just two marked lanes, but the right one was double-wide. I'm enjoying my commute, but that ride was stressful. It's too bad the library is on the other side of it. I might honestly rather walk 4 miles round trip.


Sounds like the Southern CA commitment to bike infrastructure I've grown to know and love.  It's too bad, really, since this sprawling, seething mass of concrete could well be a fantastic biking city if there were any public will to make it so. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 12, 2019, 02:30:15 PM
I'm not in LA, but yeah, basically. It made me appreciate that most of my commute is through/around a college campus that accommodates bikes better.

I'd rather have no bike lane than a sporadic one.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 12, 2019, 07:52:39 PM
Just completed my first ever week of bike commuting every single day!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 13, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
Just completed my first ever week of bike commuting every single day!
Nicely done!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 14, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.

Good recommendation -- I'll have to get one of these! How do you guys clean your chainrings / gear cogs?

Deep clean:
- remove the chain and cassette (take the cassette apart) from rear wheel, dunk in a container of degreaser and let sit for a couple hours
- wipe down the two cogs on the rear derailleur and the chainrings with some degreaser/toothbrush* then wipe dry with a rag
- wipe clean each cog in the cassette
- hang the chain from a nail on the wall to drip dry overnight
- Re-assemble the cassette on the rear wheel, re-attach the rear wheel, re-attach the chain, lube the chain (sparingly)

*It is very important to thoroughly rinse the toothbrush before using it again on your teeth.

That only happens once or twice a year though.  Maybe once a month I'll use one of those degreaser thingies that fit over your chain and spin the chain backwards, dry, and re-lube.  After nearly every ride I'll spend a minute quickly wiping down the chain, cassette, jockey wheels, and chainrings . . . all together this tends to keep things very clean.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on April 15, 2019, 07:44:53 AM
I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.

Good recommendation -- I'll have to get one of these! How do you guys clean your chainrings / gear cogs?

Deep clean:
- remove the chain and cassette (take the cassette apart) from rear wheel, dunk in a container of degreaser and let sit for a couple hours
- wipe down the two cogs on the rear derailleur and the chainrings with some degreaser/toothbrush* then wipe dry with a rag
- wipe clean each cog in the cassette
- hang the chain from a nail on the wall to drip dry overnight
- Re-assemble the cassette on the rear wheel, re-attach the rear wheel, re-attach the chain, lube the chain (sparingly)

*It is very important to thoroughly rinse the toothbrush before using it again on your teeth.

That only happens once or twice a year though.  Maybe once a month I'll use one of those degreaser thingies that fit over your chain and spin the chain backwards, dry, and re-lube.  After nearly every ride I'll spend a minute quickly wiping down the chain, cassette, jockey wheels, and chainrings . . . all together this tends to keep things very clean.

What’s a “degreaser thingie that fits over your chain”? I think I need one of those. Haven’t cleaned the chain since I bought the bike two years ago. Yes, I’m a total newbie.

I have no garden, no balcony, no garage, no garden hose, and keep the bike in the spare bedroom, so I need something simple and not messy to clean the chain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 15, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
I clean my chain with a gizmo that looks like this and some citrus degreaser from the hardware store.  https://www.amazon.ca/VeloChampion-Bike-Chain-Cleaner-Bicycle/dp/B002CLO29U/ref=sr_1_7?hvadid=230008289239&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001605&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8118926246043663448&hvtargid=kwd-301091455831&keywords=bike+chain+cleaner&qid=1554755289&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Takes 2 minutes. Then just rinse off all the degreaser with a garden hose.

Good recommendation -- I'll have to get one of these! How do you guys clean your chainrings / gear cogs?

Deep clean:
- remove the chain and cassette (take the cassette apart) from rear wheel, dunk in a container of degreaser and let sit for a couple hours
- wipe down the two cogs on the rear derailleur and the chainrings with some degreaser/toothbrush* then wipe dry with a rag
- wipe clean each cog in the cassette
- hang the chain from a nail on the wall to drip dry overnight
- Re-assemble the cassette on the rear wheel, re-attach the rear wheel, re-attach the chain, lube the chain (sparingly)

*It is very important to thoroughly rinse the toothbrush before using it again on your teeth.

That only happens once or twice a year though.  Maybe once a month I'll use one of those degreaser thingies that fit over your chain and spin the chain backwards, dry, and re-lube.  After nearly every ride I'll spend a minute quickly wiping down the chain, cassette, jockey wheels, and chainrings . . . all together this tends to keep things very clean.

What’s a “degreaser thingie that fits over your chain”? I think I need one of those. Haven’t cleaned the chain since I bought the bike two years ago. Yes, I’m a total newbie.

I have no garden, no balcony, no garage, no garden hose, and keep the bike in the spare bedroom, so I need something simple and not messy to clean the chain.

The degreaser thingies usually look like this:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ce1l9lLQL._SY355_.jpg)

You fill them up with degreaser, clamp them over the chain, and spin the chain through them.  The little brushes scrub as the chain moves, and get degreaser all over the chain.  They're messy and I wouldn't use them in the house but since they only take a few seconds you could use one on the street, pat your chain dry, and then re-lube and bring it up to your apartment.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on April 15, 2019, 02:25:12 PM
In my living room, I hold a rag under the chain, spray cleaner on the chain only (so it doesn't get on the cogs or chainrings or especially disc brakes), then move it forward, then spray, then move it forward, then spray.....then hold the rag on the chain while pedaling to wipe the whole thing down. Then same process with chain lube. This keeps me going well enough until it's warm outside and I can take the chain off properly -- or, more likely, sweet talk my bike shop mechanic into doing it while I go down the pub for a drink on a slow weekday afternoon :) ((I do pay them as well....))
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on April 15, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
@GuitarStv @katscratch Ooooh, good ideas. Thanks! I guess I have my weekend project.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: nightzephyr on April 19, 2019, 05:52:38 PM
Wannabe bike commuter looking for suggestions!

I want to bike to work. I really do. I specifically rented a house that is only 6 miles from work so I could. What I didn't account for is the last 2 miles on the way there. There is no other route for this portion. It is, effectively, a freeway. Just slowed down to 65 mph (!!!) and with the occasional intersection. There is a wide paved shoulder, where I'll be staying for most of the ride. Going to work requires two left turns across all 4 lanes. Thankfully returning is all right turns.  I have done a trial run on a Saturday, when there is less traffic from my workplace and the one across the road. It's pretty doable, although utterly terrifying when getting passed by a semi. Assuming I gather up the courage to do it on weekdays, I plan to only go during the part of the year when I don't have to ride in the dark, light my bike up like a Christmas tree, wear a reflective vest, and maybe slap some reflective strips on my helmet as well. Any other suggestions to make this part of the trip safer or less scary?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 19, 2019, 06:04:18 PM
Can you cross at a crosswalk instead of turning left across four lanes? When I turn left, I merge into the car's left turn lane, so I'm only turning across the opposite direction of traffic - and if I don't feel safe merging for any reason, I use the crosswalk instead.

Riding with cars traveling at freeway speeds would really scare me, frankly.

Edit: To be clear! I merge into lanes with cars traveling max 45 mph, and only with a lot of space for them to see me and slow down!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on April 19, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Wannabe bike commuter looking for suggestions!

I want to bike to work. I really do. I specifically rented a house that is only 6 miles from work so I could. What I didn't account for is the last 2 miles on the way there. There is no other route for this portion. It is, effectively, a freeway. Just slowed down to 65 mph (!!!) and with the occasional intersection. There is a wide paved shoulder, where I'll be staying for most of the ride. Going to work requires two left turns across all 4 lanes. Thankfully returning is all right turns.  I have done a trial run on a Saturday, when there is less traffic from my workplace and the one across the road. It's pretty doable, although utterly terrifying when getting passed by a semi. Assuming I gather up the courage to do it on weekdays, I plan to only go during the part of the year when I don't have to ride in the dark, light my bike up like a Christmas tree, wear a reflective vest, and maybe slap some reflective strips on my helmet as well. Any other suggestions to make this part of the trip safer or less scary?

Trying to visualize these turns. If there is a crosswalk I would just get off the the bike and cross. As for the shoulders, so long as they’re separate from traffic by a reasonable margin, don’t see much of a problem. So long as you have lights, flashing vest, reflectors and stay out of high speed traffic lane, you will likely make it. I ride to work in the dark with no bike lane part of the way but lower speed. Still here to tell the tale. Maybe get with another experienced riders in the area and have them get you some pointers.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on April 21, 2019, 06:28:12 PM
Like Tass and Buffalo Chip recommended, I often go to the opposing crosswalk to go left across traffic. My routes are super bike friendly but during rush hour it's that one person checking their phone that won't see me I'd like to avoid.

When I've ridden on county highways out away from the city, I've found a mirror really helpful - mine clips to my helmet and was about $10. It gives me a heads up to move over as far right as I can for bigger trucks -- the wind tunnel after them isn't too fun.

For myself, I'd rather add 2-3 miles than have to commute that stretch daily and I'm (finally) really comfortable in car traffic. I know you've looked at options and there's not another route -- but maybe zoom in on a satellite view and see if there are even dirt roads, access roads, horse paths, etc. I've found some super-safe shortcuts in the suburbs that I'd never have seen on the regular Google map view or just by riding nearby.

In your particular circumstances, I'd also say the more visible you are the better, as drivers are probably not expecting a cyclist. Until you've done the route for a while, then 90% of them will probably be looking for you :) Jacket/shirt that is a color that stands out against the background is the easiest (hot pink/coral tends to work in most conditions). That's my rule for myself, anyway - I try to dress as normal as possible most of the time because of the psychology around biking being dangerous, but I also put my safety first and go nuts with light&bright when the conditions aren't bike friendly.

Overall there are hundreds of cyclists every year that ride on the shoulders of high speed roads for touring or randonneuring so you'd be in good company :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: BobbyTables on April 22, 2019, 06:17:51 AM
I agree with previous two posters, really try to find another way or use a sidewalk/crosswalk. It doesn't sound like the place where many people would be walking anyway. I would even consider doubling the distance just to avoid that, you'll get used to the distance much easier and get a nice workout as well.

The fastest way to my job would be 5km, but I take anything between a 8-10 km route just for nicer roads.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 22, 2019, 07:56:24 AM
I do my best to avoid riding on roads where traffic speed is around 65 mph/100kph.  I'd want a very wide shoulder to even consider it frankly.  The suggestions to use the sidewalk in that section of road are good, but if there are any intersections where the road meets the sidewalk (entrance/exit to plazas and parkinglots, side streets, etc.)  I'd get off the bit and walk across them.  If you're clipping along at a good speed on the sidewalk going the wrong way, cars will not expect you and you're pretty likely to get dinged.


I'd happily add 3-4 miles to a commute to ride on slower/less busy roads than do the sidewalk thing or ride on a very fast road.  Is there an alternate route you could take?  Can you give us a google maps rough approximation of where you need to get to and from?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on April 22, 2019, 08:21:33 AM
The last couple weeks have given me a little taste of what all of you rainy-climate riders experience. I don't mind riding in rain at all, but I'm sure not used to having to plan for dripping wet clothing needing a place to be stored in the locker room! Thankfully I keep extra socks in my locker so I'll have a third pair to change into at the gym later, and I've already gotten my money's worth out of the rainproof shell I picked up last week. Very grateful for merino base layers - I only have one set that I wear year round but they dry pretty quickly even in my locker (with the door cracked open). I'm used to these heavy downpours in summer when all I'm wearing is a sundress and liner shorts, not this 45F degree business!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 22, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
The last couple weeks have given me a little taste of what all of you rainy-climate riders experience. I don't mind riding in rain at all, but I'm sure not used to having to plan for dripping wet clothing needing a place to be stored in the locker room! Thankfully I keep extra socks in my locker so I'll have a third pair to change into at the gym later, and I've already gotten my money's worth out of the rainproof shell I picked up last week. Very grateful for merino base layers - I only have one set that I wear year round but they dry pretty quickly even in my locker (with the door cracked open). I'm used to these heavy downpours in summer when all I'm wearing is a sundress and liner shorts, not this 45F degree business!

Ha! Just this weekend I finally got around to repairing my neoprene shoe covers. I've used them so much, including walking around in them, that the bottom edges got all chewed up and they weren't really working anymore. Some denim patches (from an old pair of jeans) and some fold over elastic and now they're like new! I should get another 5000km out of them before I have to finally replace them.

Neoprene shoe covers make life worth living when you have to ride in the rain everyday ;-)

@nightzephyr Will traffic actually be moving at highway speed during your commute? Part of my commute is on a highway shoulder and frankly it feels like the safest section. However, this has a lot to do with the fact that traffic moves so slow during rush hour. I'm generally going faster than traffic. Some of the poorly designed bike lanes in my town are frankly much more dangerous.

Otherwise, check Google maps, with the bike travel option switched on, and MapMyRide to see if you can find some alternate routes. Do buses in your area have bike racks? Is a hybrid bus/bike commute an option to avoid the highway?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 23, 2019, 07:19:52 AM
Are there any tall poles nearby?  Railings?  Benches?  Fences?  Steel Grates?  Gas pipes?  I've successfully locked up on all of these items.

You really don't need a bike rack, just something at about the correct height that you can loop a U-Lock and cable through.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 23, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
Can you bring it into the building with you? Talk to HR, or building operations, and ask for secure bike parking. Are there any parkades nearby that could be convinced to install a proper bike cage?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: acepedro45 on April 23, 2019, 10:17:32 AM
Yeah @DadJokes you may have better luck approaching your local government as an employee asking for bike parking than as a random constituent asking for the same thing. It sounds like you're an employee, too (but I can't tell for sure).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on April 23, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
I bring my bike into the office with me.  It sits in my cube.  I never asked anyone about this - I just started doing it.  No one has ever said anything.

Granted, I don't work for the government though. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 23, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Wannabe bike commuter looking for suggestions!

I want to bike to work. I really do. I specifically rented a house that is only 6 miles from work so I could. What I didn't account for is the last 2 miles on the way there. There is no other route for this portion. It is, effectively, a freeway. Just slowed down to 65 mph (!!!) and with the occasional intersection. There is a wide paved shoulder, where I'll be staying for most of the ride. Going to work requires two left turns across all 4 lanes. Thankfully returning is all right turns.  I have done a trial run on a Saturday, when there is less traffic from my workplace and the one across the road. It's pretty doable, although utterly terrifying when getting passed by a semi. Assuming I gather up the courage to do it on weekdays, I plan to only go during the part of the year when I don't have to ride in the dark, light my bike up like a Christmas tree, wear a reflective vest, and maybe slap some reflective strips on my helmet as well. Any other suggestions to make this part of the trip safer or less scary?
Busy road with limited opportunities to turn across it sounds like what the folks over at Strong Towns call a STROAD (https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/3/1/whats-a-stroad-and-why-does-it-matter).

I would likely pass the left turn and make my way to the next intersection with a signal. If that intersection has a crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, I'd stop on the near side and use the crosswalk as a pedestrian then ride back the other direction making the turn to work a right hand turn. If there is not crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, I'd likely opt for a double Copenhagen left to turn around instead.

I agree with locking to the bench (or other convenient fixed object - just avoid blocking handrails/walkways/other access infrastructure) until dedicated bike racks can be installed. Find someone in HR involved in employee wellness to advocate for a bike rack (a lawmaker that works in the building is another potential ally - bike racks are a low cost way to get some good PR).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on April 23, 2019, 05:28:37 PM
I work in a building full of legislators four months out of the year and have to go through a metal detector when entering. I don't think the bike would even fit through that.
You can get some pretty narrow drop bars... next time you go through the metal detector take a measuring tape(It won't look suspicious at all.) If you've got 46cm of width, you're golden. The security guys may actually be the best source for knowing the safest places to lock up your bike.

I'm lucky enough to be able to park my bike in my cubicle. Plus I have a metal filing cabinet that I can turn it over on to do tuning/maintenance. After I started riding in, my boss started. Another co-worker has begun riding lately too.


Anyone checked out the Trek CrossRip? I bought a used 2015 LTD model over the weekend and it seems perfect for wet weather commuting. Disc brakes and fenders are going to make the ride a lot nicer on rainy days. The resale value of them seems to have really dropped since they are a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of bike:
https://archive.trekbikes.com/us/en/2015/Trek/crossrip_limited#/us/en/2015/Trek/crossrip_limited/details
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 23, 2019, 09:42:39 PM
I park my bike in the lobby of my building and just lock it to itself. Most people don’t lock their bikes but mine is a borrowed company ebike that cost a ridiculous sum new.

I think I deserve MMM biking bad-ass brownie points today. I took my kid in to work with me for bring-your-short-person-to-work-day and we biked. She was in the bike trailer which is still work to pull, even with the ebike assist. On top of it was a bazillion degrees today in a freak hot spell and I just about melted. I have no issue biking in a massive windy rain storm but when the sun and warmth come out I just can’t handle it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 24, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
I have no issue biking in a massive windy rain storm but when the sun and warmth come out I just can’t handle it.
I'm pretty much the opposite.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 24, 2019, 10:38:07 AM
I think I deserve MMM biking bad-ass brownie points today. I took my kid in to work with me for bring-your-short-person-to-work-day and we biked. She was in the bike trailer which is still work to pull, even with the ebike assist. On top of it was a bazillion degrees today in a freak hot spell and I just about melted. I have no issue biking in a massive windy rain storm but when the sun and warmth come out I just can’t handle it.

Major brownie points for hauling the short person in with you. That's a physical and mental accomplishment.

I also melt in the heat. Every year when it gets warm I frantically research A/C systems for our house (it doesn't have A/C). Then after 3 weeks I finally acclimatize and realize we don't need A/C.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Gronnie on April 24, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 24, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
I think I deserve MMM biking bad-ass brownie points today. I took my kid in to work with me for bring-your-short-person-to-work-day and we biked. She was in the bike trailer which is still work to pull, even with the ebike assist. On top of it was a bazillion degrees today in a freak hot spell and I just about melted. I have no issue biking in a massive windy rain storm but when the sun and warmth come out I just can’t handle it.

Major brownie points for hauling the short person in with you. That's a physical and mental accomplishment.

I also melt in the heat. Every year when it gets warm I frantically research A/C systems for our house (it doesn't have A/C). Then after 3 weeks I finally acclimatize and realize we don't need A/C.
When we did some remodeling we upgraded the electrical box to be able to support future AC, solar, electric car charging. We weren’t going to get AC but then we had this series of four or more heat waves that just crushed us. As adults it sucks, and we botch and moan, but we survive. The impact on the littles is what prompted us to finally do it though. Both girls woke up screaming last night, soaked in sweat. There is no viable way to dress a baby for bed on a warm evening that will work all night long as the evening and house cools. Either she wakes up from overheating early in the night or wakes up from the cold later in the night. All the money spent on AC is well worth it to avoid those night wake ups for me.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 24, 2019, 01:00:17 PM
Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?

A little bit of exercise daily is much better for you than a lot of exercise infrequently.

Try doing a 1-2 mile bike ride each day for a couple weeks.  Then as you get stronger, start increasing the distances a bit.  The key is to develop a habit . . . so that eventually it feels weird to have a day where you're not cycling somewhere.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 24, 2019, 01:14:08 PM
Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?

Good for you!

To start, I'd probably only ride 2-3 days/week and never 2 days consecutively. Do that for a month and then add another day.

Most big guys I see on bikes are already incredibly strong and tend to choose too high of a gear. Mashing slowly on the pedals makes you feel like you're getting a great workout (because you are!), but it's not the most efficient way to get from A to B, 5 days a week for years at a time. It's also really hard on your knees.

Instead, choose an easy gear and think, "Spin to win". Pedaling at a higher cadence saves your knees and keeps your quads from feeling like jelly. It will make your heart and lungs work harder though, so take it slow at first.

When you go uphill, shift down sooner than you think you need to. Again, it's easier on your body and will make the hill feel less monumental.

Your seat bones are going to be sore at first. That's OK. Riding every other day will give your butt time to recover. Eventually the soreness goes away. Muscle soreness is also OK. However, if you have any kind of joint pain, take it easy. Also, make sure you have the bike fit to you. If you bought it from a shop, a basic fitting should be included.

On your non-biking days, go for a walk. The mild exercise will help your muscles recover from any soreness and the little bit of cardio will help your heart and lungs adapt faster. Since you're already so close to work, you could even consider just walking back and forth to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on April 24, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
I park my bike in the lobby of my building and just lock it to itself. Most people don’t lock their bikes but mine is a borrowed company ebike that cost a ridiculous sum new.

I think I deserve MMM biking bad-ass brownie points today. I took my kid in to work with me for bring-your-short-person-to-work-day and we biked. She was in the bike trailer which is still work to pull, even with the ebike assist. On top of it was a bazillion degrees today in a freak hot spell and I just about melted. I have no issue biking in a massive windy rain storm but when the sun and warmth come out I just can’t handle it.
Bikepooling Achievement Unlocked! Celebrate by making some real brownies and enjoy them with shorty! That's a super cool thing ya did!

Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?
Listen to your bod.
Pace yourself while riding.
Don't put pressure on yourself to overstress your bod.
Setup your bike correctly so you don't injure yourself.
Gradually increase your riding frequency. 1x week for a while, then 2x, then 3x, then 4x, etc.
Commit to a minimum # rides, don't give up.
Just keep pedaling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 24, 2019, 02:31:31 PM
What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?
You don't want to over-stress yourself, but you do want physical activity that exercises your heart and lungs regularly. You want to work hard enough that your breathing increases, but not so much that you're out of breath. Try maintain this level of activity for 15-20 minutes at a time. If you pushed yourself too hard, it is OK to take the next day off for recovery, but try to target your efforts to a level that you feel good doing almost every day. Limit pushing how much you can do in one day to about once a week at most.

Come back and tell us about your accomplishments regularly to get cheered on!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 24, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?

Good for you!

To start, I'd probably only ride 2-3 days/week and never 2 days consecutively. Do that for a month and then add another day.

When I started my current commute, the first time ever was exhausting - red-faced, gasping, sat on a bench for several minutes at the end (and also in the middle). The second time was no better. The third time, I suddenly got the hang of it, and a few months later it's a breeze.

I don't know how universal this experience is, but I wish it on everyone (the improvement, not the initial suffering). Having fully inflated tires and a seat raised to the appropriate height helps a lot.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on April 24, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
When I started my current commute, the first time ever was exhausting - red-faced, gasping, sat on a bench for several minutes at the end (and also in the middle). The second time was no better. The third time, I suddenly got the hang of it, and a few months later it's a breeze.

I don't know how universal this experience is, but I wish it on everyone (the improvement, not the initial suffering). Having fully inflated tires and a seat raised to the appropriate height helps a lot.
You should update the first post of this thread with "golden newbie knowledge nuggets" that you've accumulated over the past year and a half.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Gronnie on April 24, 2019, 03:57:35 PM
Thanks for all the tips and encouragement!

Going to ride to work tomorrow!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 24, 2019, 08:49:35 PM
When I started my current commute, the first time ever was exhausting - red-faced, gasping, sat on a bench for several minutes at the end (and also in the middle). The second time was no better. The third time, I suddenly got the hang of it, and a few months later it's a breeze.

I don't know how universal this experience is, but I wish it on everyone (the improvement, not the initial suffering). Having fully inflated tires and a seat raised to the appropriate height helps a lot.
You should update the first post of this thread with "golden newbie knowledge nuggets" that you've accumulated over the past year and a half.

That's a great idea. Might take me a bit to collect them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: nightzephyr on April 24, 2019, 08:54:09 PM
@TrMama The area is pretty rural, so traffic is still moving along at 60+ even during the busiest part of the day. No buses here except school buses. To @robartsd 's point, this is definitely a road as opposed to a stroad. The next intersection with a traffic light is another 10 miles or so down the road, once you reach the next town. The good news is that I won't be too worried about holding up traffic during those left turns - at worst, I would have one car behind me, and chances are that driver is one of my work buddies.
 
A good example of the route would be this: https://tinyurl.com/y4hbps7l  (https://tinyurl.com/y4hbps7l) You have to either take the highway bridge over the river or go a very long way around! I did find a route that reduced the highway portion by about 3 miles, but that still leaves the last 1.5. Thanks for the MapMyRides suggestion. I  had forgotten about that site. While it didn't turn up any better routes, at least now I know someone has taken that route before.

And to @Tass inflated tires make such a difference! A great golden newbie nugget. Though I like to think I'm stronger for my first few days of making that big flat mistake on my old commute.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 24, 2019, 08:56:23 PM
I don’t know about where you all are, but in my area I really like the google maps bike feature. It does a good job of piecing together trails and roads with bike lanes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on April 25, 2019, 06:59:15 AM
Thanks for all the tips and encouragement!

Going to ride to work tomorrow!

So how did it go? Wishing you lots of luck for a safe and fun commute!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 25, 2019, 07:34:53 AM
I don’t know about where you all are, but in my area I really like the google maps bike feature. It does a good job of piecing together trails and roads with bike lanes.

Google maps is generally pretty awesome, but you need to be careful to walk through the route when you're cycling in unfamiliar areas.  I was in the middle of a 140 km bike ride with just printed turn instructions in my back pocket when I discovered that 20 km of my route was going to be rough country roads.  My ass cursed google maps for quite a while.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 25, 2019, 09:52:21 AM
I haven't done much rural riding, but I can understand rural and rivers make for very limited options. (Even in my city it can be several miles between river crossings).

Tire pressure makes a difference. I'm a big guy, ride mostly upright, and carry clothes, lunch, and water for the day on my rear rack - easily over 200 lbs of weight on my rear tire. I inflate that tire to 100 psi.

Google maps is a great start - it has a lot of bike infrastructure mapped out and will look for ways to connect you to your destination minimizing travel on streets without bike infrastructure. Unfortunately it is pretty dumb about the quality of the bike infrastructure and other streets. Plenty of times it's routed me towards busier roads with sharrows or bike lanes that run in gutters rather than routing through quiet neighborhood streets. It also doesn't find short cuts utilizing pedestrian areas that are not designated as bike paths (please ride slowly when using these).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 25, 2019, 11:43:34 AM
I suspect that is one of those things where the experience varies by where you are located. I live in Google’s backyard so the bike routes have always been good. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on April 26, 2019, 08:20:39 AM
The google maps bike feature is a nice starting point, but I will usually take it a step further if the route looks potentially sketchy and do a digital run of areas I'm not familiar with using street view.  Definitely has saved me from some very uncomfortable/dangerous routes a few times.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on April 26, 2019, 06:17:08 PM
Just bought a bike yesterday and rode it the 2.2 miles home from the shop (which will be the same commute for work, I work across the street from the bike shop, lucky me!)

I haven't hardly done anything physical in years, and am 6'2 350lbs. My heart rate hasn't been that high since college (over 10 years ago) and today my body still feels like jelly.

What's going to be the best way to ease into this so I don't give up?

This is world class badassity. I ride to work regularly. But I’m also in pretty good shape so there’s really no excuse. You’re starting from a more difficult place and doing it anyway. The advice others have above is good so I see no reason to try to add to it. Proud of you, fellow mustachian!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Gronnie on April 28, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
So my daughter was sick for a couple days so I had to stay home with her (thus no bike commute the rest of the week).

I think it may have been a blessing in disguise because I was super worn out still, today is the first day I've felt normal again.

Will ride again tomorrow. Will plan on MWF or MTh this week, depending on how I feel Wednesday.

I got a lot of advice from people to slowly work my way up or I'll hurt myself and/or give up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Villanelle on April 28, 2019, 02:47:26 PM
So my daughter was sick for a couple days so I had to stay home with her (thus no bike commute the rest of the week).

I think it may have been a blessing in disguise because I was super worn out still, today is the first day I've felt normal again.

Will ride again tomorrow. Will plan on MWF or MTh this week, depending on how I feel Wednesday.

I got a lot of advice from people to slowly work my way up or I'll hurt myself and/or give up.

Assuming you have a car and there is parking, you might also only do one way for a while.  Drive in on Monday with the car in the trunk, bike home.  Bike in on Tuesday, drive home T.  Drive in W, bike home W.  Bike in Th, drive home Th.   Then on Friday you can drive both ways, or you can modify at any point during the week to skip a day, driving with the bike in the car if you need to reset.  If that feels like too much, you can even bike one way on MWF, and drive both ways on Thursday, or whatever is a better fit.  Then slowly phase in more on-ways, eventually adding a two-way day here and there, until you've scaled up to 5 days of 2 way biking.   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Gronnie on April 28, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
So my daughter was sick for a couple days so I had to stay home with her (thus no bike commute the rest of the week).

I think it may have been a blessing in disguise because I was super worn out still, today is the first day I've felt normal again.

Will ride again tomorrow. Will plan on MWF or MTh this week, depending on how I feel Wednesday.

I got a lot of advice from people to slowly work my way up or I'll hurt myself and/or give up.

That's a pretty good idea. I could actually bike in and have my wife pick me up on her way home from work and then I don't even need to worry about a car being left at work.
Assuming you have a car and there is parking, you might also only do one way for a while.  Drive in on Monday with the car in the trunk, bike home.  Bike in on Tuesday, drive home T.  Drive in W, bike home W.  Bike in Th, drive home Th.   Then on Friday you can drive both ways, or you can modify at any point during the week to skip a day, driving with the bike in the car if you need to reset.  If that feels like too much, you can even bike one way on MWF, and drive both ways on Thursday, or whatever is a better fit.  Then slowly phase in more on-ways, eventually adding a two-way day here and there, until you've scaled up to 5 days of 2 way biking.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kem on April 28, 2019, 07:54:51 PM
Around 12' when I began diving into financial and personal care knowledge reserves to vastly improve my life directly, and the situation I provide to my family (7 years before discovering FI/RE).. I began biking the 7 miles to my office.  I stopped after being hit the 2nd time about a year later by teen drivers blowing off stop signs while texting .   The second time broke the handlebar nut in 2 and I had to carry the bike on my bloodied back for 4 miles.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: esmith2039 on April 29, 2019, 06:55:45 AM
Good to see encouragement threads like this. Some posts on bike forums goes to far IMO. I'm not a newbie, been riding since 2014 and have ridden 10k at the end of last year. Normal commute is 6.5 one way around the KC bottoms.. not easy! Average 2k a year but this year had so much going on might not make it. Best ride was 240 miles on the Katy trail which I hope to repeat. No major issue's except took a while getting "good" lights.

Just a little background for perspective for the new riders... My first bike was Huffy road bike (free) that didn't fit me right, 2nd was a Specialized HardRock from RevolveKC ($150), 3rd was a Trek 720 from a thrift store ($120) .. the Specialized was my winter bike after, wrecked the Trek so got a Nisiki Manitoba from Dick's ($420). Upgraded the Specialized to a lighter Univega Via Carisma for $50 this winter. If you figure the IRS rate I'm still doing pretty good as far as what's spent.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haflander on April 29, 2019, 09:49:20 AM
Hey all, I've got a problem that could use the collective thread's wisdom.

I have a really short commute to work, 1.5 miles. Originally my plan was to walk/bike. I had an ancient crappy mountain bike that I wasn't comfortable using around traffic, mainly because the brakes suck AND the gear shifting isn't reliable. There's a good amount of inclines/declines in the short distance. I've been walking some, but not as much as I want to. I'm determined to walk/bike more in May.

So, where should I look for a basic (cheap) used bike for commuting purposes? I tried a few bike shops, but they were still up around 300 or so. There is one large bike place around me that I haven't tried yet. For any around Dallas, it's Richardson Bike Mart. I'd like to buy one from a shop so I can use them as a resource. Even though looking for a cheap option makes me wonder about CL and similar options, I don't think that would be a good idea for someone who doesn't know anything about bikes.

What method would you suggest for looking for a bike? Also, what type should I be looking for? It would be mostly used for commuting but also similarly short trips around the neighborhood and possibly longer joy rides and/or trail rides in the future.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 29, 2019, 10:12:35 AM
Figure out the kind of bike you want to buy (hybrid, road, touring, mountain) and roughly what size frame you need.  Come up with a list of bikes from major manufacturers of that type (Giant, Specialized, Jamis, Surly, Fuji, etc.) and comb your local used ads.  One will pop up sooner or later.

For very short distances like you're riding, pretty much any bike is fine.  Buy one that matches what you want to do with it in your spare time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 29, 2019, 10:45:49 AM
Buy the bike you love to ride. Then the trips you want to take with it will just happen.

If you have no idea, I'd go around to a few shops and test ride a bunch of different brand new bikes. That's the simplest method of figuring out which size and style suits you best.

Then you can either buy new, or shop around for an equivalent used option.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 29, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
For the record, I was successful buying a used bike on craigslist as a bike newbie, though it took a few weeks. I figured out I wanted a hybrid and roughly what sizes would work, searched those terms in my price range, and then googled the promising models that popped up to find out more. Ended up with a low-end Trek model. It did cost me $200, but my impression is that less than that is either a rare deal or a cheap Wal-Mart bike.

That said, maybe a Wal-Mart bike is all you need.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 29, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
On the other side of that, I'm having great difficulty selling an old bike. It's a Jamis Sputnik fixed gear. I have it listed for $150 on Facebook and Craigslist and can't even get a message. I hate the thought of just giving the bike away, but that's what I'll end up doing if I can't sell it before my next bike arrives.

If it goes unsold, bring it in to your living room and hang above the mantle.  Bikes are art.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on April 29, 2019, 10:16:13 PM
Finally back to riding to work!

I had a flat and it took 1.5 weeks to fix it. First, the bike shop told me that the delivery truck does not make deliveries when it rains. Then the second time I checked in, the guy told me that they didn't have the right tire size and had to special order it. Oh, and then increased the quoted rate to fix the bike by 50%. The third time was the charm (possibly because I sent my husband with his foreigner face), and I got to ride it to work today, in light rain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2019, 07:24:48 AM
Just for the future, if you have a flat typically you just need a new tube.  That's about 5$ and 10 minutes of work.

If there's an actual hole in the tire then the tire needs to be replaced, but you can usually put a couple layers of duct tape inside the tire over the hole and keep riding it for a while until the replacement tire is available.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haflander on April 30, 2019, 09:10:48 AM
Hey all, I've got a problem that could use the collective thread's wisdom.

I have a really short commute to work, 1.5 miles. Originally my plan was to walk/bike. I had an ancient crappy mountain bike that I wasn't comfortable using around traffic, mainly because the brakes suck AND the gear shifting isn't reliable. There's a good amount of inclines/declines in the short distance. I've been walking some, but not as much as I want to. I'm determined to walk/bike more in May.

So, where should I look for a basic (cheap) used bike for commuting purposes? I tried a few bike shops, but they were still up around 300 or so. There is one large bike place around me that I haven't tried yet. For any around Dallas, it's Richardson Bike Mart. I'd like to buy one from a shop so I can use them as a resource. Even though looking for a cheap option makes me wonder about CL and similar options, I don't think that would be a good idea for someone who doesn't know anything about bikes.

What method would you suggest for looking for a bike? Also, what type should I be looking for? It would be mostly used for commuting but also similarly short trips around the neighborhood and possibly longer joy rides and/or trail rides in the future.

Thanks all. After some research and talking to more knowledgeable people, I'll target a hybrid or maybe a mountain bike. I'm 6'0 (but probably shorter legs than most that height), so thinking 20-24" or a large will be a good fit. I'll spend some time looking online today.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on April 30, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Just for the future, if you have a flat typically you just need a new tube.  That's about 5$ and 10 minutes of work.

If there's an actual hole in the tire then the tire needs to be replaced, but you can usually put a couple layers of duct tape inside the tire over the hole and keep riding it for a while until the replacement tire is available.

I had DH take a look at it. Apparently someone had also taken something sharp and completely shredded the wall of the tire. It’s one of the hazards of living in China and parking your bike on the street. Someone had moved my bike and shoved it between two scooters. My guess is that something sharp on one of the scooters had punctured/scraped the tire, destroying it. Even with a 50% price increase, the total came to around $25 to replace the tire and the tube.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
Ah.  Sidewall damage is a different kettle of fish.  I've had the sidewall on a front tire blow out on me while cycling quickly.  It gave me a serious appreciation for even minute amounts of sidewall damage.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 30, 2019, 10:58:34 AM
Just for the future, if you have a flat typically you just need a new tube.  That's about 5$ and 10 minutes of work.

If there's an actual hole in the tire then the tire needs to be replaced, but you can usually put a couple layers of duct tape inside the tire over the hole and keep riding it for a while until the replacement tire is available.

I had DH take a look at it. Apparently someone had also taken something sharp and completely shredded the wall of the tire. It’s one of the hazards of living in China and parking your bike on the street. Someone had moved my bike and shoved it between two scooters. My guess is that something sharp on one of the scooters had punctured/scraped the tire, destroying it. Even with a 50% price increase, the total came to around $25 to replace the tire and the tube.

Ugh, what a drag. If your bike is being subject to that kind of damage, also keep an eye on your rear derailleur hanger. This is a little piece of metal that connects your rear derailleur to the frame of the bike. They're designed to fail (so neither the frame, nor the derailleur get damaged) and often get bent when bikes get tangled together in bike racks. Once it's bent, the metal is weakened and it can break while you're riding. And when it's broken, you you get to walk home. Better to replace it before it fails on the road. Luckily the repair is as easy as using a screwdriver to unscrew the old one and screw in the new one.

If you've got the storage space, it might be worthwhile stocking a spare tire and possibly a derailleur hanger so when these items need to be replaced, you can do it easily in the evening and won't have to deal with the shop.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 30, 2019, 11:05:35 AM
I reached a new milestone today! I've got a personal goal of riding at least 300km/month. This month the stars aligned and I was able to blow past the goal and have ridden 455km.

Coincidentally, I foolishly also tried to stretch out the interval between massage appointments, so now I've got a sore hip :p
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2019, 11:09:08 AM
Just for the future, if you have a flat typically you just need a new tube.  That's about 5$ and 10 minutes of work.

If there's an actual hole in the tire then the tire needs to be replaced, but you can usually put a couple layers of duct tape inside the tire over the hole and keep riding it for a while until the replacement tire is available.

I had DH take a look at it. Apparently someone had also taken something sharp and completely shredded the wall of the tire. It’s one of the hazards of living in China and parking your bike on the street. Someone had moved my bike and shoved it between two scooters. My guess is that something sharp on one of the scooters had punctured/scraped the tire, destroying it. Even with a 50% price increase, the total came to around $25 to replace the tire and the tube.

Ugh, what a drag. If your bike is being subject to that kind of damage, also keep an eye on your rear derailleur hanger. This is a little piece of metal that connects your rear derailleur to the frame of the bike. They're designed to fail (so neither the frame, nor the derailleur get damaged) and often get bent when bikes get tangled together in bike racks. Once it's bent, the metal is weakened and it can break while you're riding. And when it's broken, you you get to walk home. Better to replace it before it fails on the road. Luckily the repair is as easy as using a screwdriver to unscrew the old one and screw in the new one.

If you've got the storage space, it might be worthwhile stocking a spare tire and possibly a derailleur hanger so when these items need to be replaced, you can do it easily in the evening and won't have to deal with the shop.

Kevlar bead rather than wire bead bike tires are awesome for this . . . they fold up very small and can be stored quite easily.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 30, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
I had an ancient crappy mountain bike that I wasn't comfortable using around traffic, mainly because the brakes suck AND the gear shifting isn't reliable.
How ancient and crappy are we talking about here?

I definitely agree that reliable brakes are important (especially around traffic) - but brakes can almost certainly be fixed. I ride a mid-90's mountain bike frame. I really liked the upgrade from the original direct pull cantilever brakes to linear pull cantilever brakes. Unless poor shifting is due to some frame damage, that could be worked out too. Of course if the frame itself is crappy, it probably isn't worth the efforts to fix.

Thanks all. After some research and talking to more knowledgeable people, I'll target a hybrid or maybe a mountain bike. I'm 6'0 (but probably shorter legs than most that height), so thinking 20-24" or a large will be a good fit. I'll spend some time looking online today.
I think a 24" seat tube is probably pushing it a bit your height.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: haflander on May 06, 2019, 08:42:42 AM
Succeeded in finding a decent road bike over the weekend, only took me about a week. After one failed CL experience, pulled the trigger on a Giant hybrid over the weekend. Found it on FB marketplace; the guy was a huge ebay seller of bike parts and had a great rating, so that made me feel confident. Met at the local big bike shop after he did a Saturday morning ride. He listed it for 130 and I got it for 100. I gave it a test ride and it was a great fit with everything working fine. I figure that even if something ends up wrong with it I can fix it myself or have a bike shop work on it and I'll still come out ahead on $. Even the frame is in great shape and the seat is super comfy, also has a nice suspension seatpost.

I rode it this morning to work successfully. Minor operator error issues with shifting and the lock but I'll get better with those in time. Interesting note: I sweat just as much biking as I do walking. I suspect that will improve with time also. Cloudy and off and on rain this week but I'll bike as much as I can. However, I'll still look for opportunities to walk to work in nice weather, as the distance is a super short 1.5 miles.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 06, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
Fantastic! I hope you continue to enjoy the bike and the bike to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 06, 2019, 10:41:10 AM
On my front I am at the end of the 6-month period where work will loan me a fancy ebike. I was shopping ebikes on Craigslist and ended up calling one of the local bike stores that are affiliated with work, where I can use the $300 discount I earned by participating in this program. Turns out the shop had a closeout sale on an ebike in my size that ended up in the same price range as the ones I was seeing on Craigslist used. I pulled the trigger this last weekend and rode it work work for the first time today.

I’m excited. It has suspension which is stupendous, as the trails and roads around here tend to suck. It has five different levels of power assist to choose from which I appreciate, and the motor is center mounted on the bottom of the triangle frame, do it is more balanced than the other bike I was riding, which has the motor on the back wheel.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 10, 2019, 08:18:42 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 11, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.

I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 11, 2019, 01:49:04 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.

I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.

Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 11, 2019, 06:08:45 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.

I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.

Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.

You can do truing with just a 3-4$ spoke wrench and a couple hours practice.  It's possible to tension spokes by pitch, but is much more complicated/difficult than using a tensiometer (park tools will sell you a good one for about 100$).  Those are really all the tools necessary (you can just wrap a zip tie on the fork or rear triangle next to the rim, or use the brake pads to check for trueness).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 11, 2019, 08:43:20 PM
Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.

You can do truing with just a 3-4$ spoke wrench and a couple hours practice.  It's possible to tension spokes by pitch, but is much more complicated/difficult than using a tensiometer (park tools will sell you a good one for about 100$).  Those are really all the tools necessary (you can just wrap a zip tie on the fork or rear triangle next to the rim, or use the brake pads to check for trueness).

I do have a spoke wrench. Definitely hesitant on purchasing the tension tool in the fear that I’ll pay $100 and use it once.

That’s a good idea to use zip ties to true the wheel. I have disc brakes so couldn’t use the brake pads.

Do you think tensioning them all now (after I had one break and replaced) would be sufficient or do you think I’m going to have to end up replacing them all and then tensioning them then?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 12, 2019, 08:34:30 AM
The reason that spokes get broken is typically low tension, not high tension.  If your spokes are at too low a tension right now, then raising that will make them last longer.

OK, so we've got two likely low tension scenarios here that are causing your problem:
1.  Uneven spoke tension.  If you pluck each of the rear spokes on the DS of your rear wheel and one or two sound really high pitched and one or two sound dead/low pitched, then you've got uneven spoke tension.  The low pitched spokes will be under more stress with every wheel revolution and will break much faster.  You want to fix this.  So, to even out tension:

- Go all the way around the DS and all the way around the NDS and find the deadest/lowest pitched spokes.  Get some masking tape and mark these spokes.
- Check the spoke directly in front of and behind the dead spoke on the same side.  If they're a higher pitch, then back both of them off 1/8th of a turn, and tighten the dead spoke 1/4 turn.
- Go around the wheel a couple times, working on spokes of one side and then the other until things are starting to sound more even all the way around.  At this point your wheel will have started to go out of true.
- If your rim is in OK shape, you should be able to get the wheel back into true by tightening groups of spokes in groups of three or more on a side . . . so if you find a little bump in on the NDS side, then tighten the spoke closes to the bump 1/4 turn, the spoke in front of it 1/8th, and the spoke behind it 1/8th.  You can use smaller amounts of tightening as you get closer to true, and if you're a perfectionist, this will start to take a long time.

2.  Overall spoke tension is too loose.  If your rear wheel is reasonably true, the DS spokes all sound roughly the same pitch, and the NDS spokes all sound roughly the same pitch, then try increasing tension on the whole wheel:
- Start on the DS at the valve hole (so you remember where you started).  Tighten each DS spoke 1/4 turn.
- Go to the NDS at the valve hole.  Tighten each NDS spoke 1/4 turn.
- Check for true of the wheel and if it's starting to go out of whack, fix it (as above, you want to fix this by adjusting groups of spokes, not individual ones to try to keep tension more even).
- Keep doing this until your NDS spokes feel tight.  You want to be able to grab two of them, squeeze 'em between your hands and feel some decent resistance.

You're not going to get it perfect without the proper tools, but this should hopefully put you on the right path.  After you finish truing the wheel, take the bike for a short ride around the block and then check the wheels for true again (they often go a little wonky after they're put under tension/stress following a truing) and fix any bumps you find.

If I were you, I'd buy a bunch of spokes the correct size for your DS and NDS of the wheel and keep 'em handy so you can swap them out on their own.  Spokes are usually only a dollar or so a piece, and once you get good at it replacing a spoke and bringing the new one up to tension only takes 10-15 minutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 12, 2019, 01:18:14 PM
Awesome. I’ll give it a try. Thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 12, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
If this is your first time working on bike wheels, take it very slow.  It's not particularly hard to do, but it takes a while to get the right feel.  Better to make a great many small adjustments (occasionally buggering up one or two of them) then a few huge adjustments (which can really screw your wheels up).

This is a nice thing to do over an afternoon with a couple beers while listening to some books on tape in the garage (or in the living room on a tarp while watching the Giro if the wife's away for the weekend).  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kazyan on May 13, 2019, 07:23:31 AM
With some nagging from Beeminder and a realization that I didn't have a reason to go on another grocery trip anytime soon, as of this morning, I've biked to work for the first time. It took 35 minutes, almost entirely downhill, though some time could be saved by A) avoiding the main road* that required me to stop repeatedly and B) being more bold with cycling on the road itself.

The bike back up, which will be almost entirely *up*hill, is going to be a real pain this afternoon--but I'm happy with getting it done.

*A turnpike, technically.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on May 13, 2019, 08:04:43 AM
I had my first biking accident this weekend. Fairly minor as these things go. I was in a bike lane on a city street and for a split second I was looking at a pedestrian on the sidewalk. When I looked back, an Uber had stopped and their passenger opened the door right into the bike lane. I wasn't going super fast so nothing permanently damaged. Conveniently I was across the street from my bike shop so I stopped in & they confirmed nothing was damaged on the bike. Doing lots of yoga to relax my shoulders and neck.

The frustrating part is that the accident really comes down to infrastructure to me. Sure, the Uber should have stopped at the corner and let the passenger out at the curb, but realistically this isn't the expectation people have when using cabs/rideshare. There's just not a way to safely share the roads. The only alternative is for the Uber to stop in the bike lane instead, which makes me even more angry.

Also, yes, partly my fault for letting myself get distracted, even for just a second. Relentlessly pay attention out there guys. Ride safe. Just hoping my minor accident will stop the passenger & driver from causing a more serious one in the future.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on May 13, 2019, 08:57:19 AM
Hadn't seen it mentioned, but this Friday is Bike to Work Day: https://www.bikeleague.org/content/bike-month-dates-events-0 (https://www.bikeleague.org/content/bike-month-dates-events-0).

I bike roughly two-thirds of the time to the bus stop (a little more than a mile each way), but for Friday I'm psyching myself up to ride the 23 miles to work for the first time (whether or not I ride back or take the bus is TBD). Helps that there are goodies being offered along the way in my city. Hope to see a large Mustachian turnout on Friday.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 13, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
Glad you're okay, @mlipps.

I had to register for my local bike to work day to get goodies, but I did confirm there are some on my route.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 13, 2019, 10:00:42 AM
My bike to work day was last Thursday, the single day of the week I could ride due to a doctor’s appointment!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 13, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
I had frequent trouble with NDS spokes in my rear wheel. As spokes were replaced, the breaking became more frequent. First time through this I bought a new set of machine built wheels. This set was a slight upgrade from my original wheels, but didn't last much longer. When the problem came back, I started researching why the spokes were breaking. The spokes were always breaking at the same place - the elbow at the hub of the NDS on the rear wheel. The absolute change in tension for a spoke with each revolution is more or less proportional to the weight on the wheel. I'm a big guy, carry my load on a rear rack, and ride fairly upright - my rear wheel was doing most of the work. With longer spokes and a greater angle from vertical, the spokes on the NDS of the wheel must have less overall tension than the spokes on the DS of the wheel, so these spokes had the greatest relative change and suffered the most fatigue with each turn of the wheel. I decided I wanted to upgrade to a larger spoke count (from 32 to 36 or 40), so a complete new wheel was in order. I wanted to build it myself, but had difficulty sourcing spokes at a good price for the small quantity I needed of each length (18-20), so eventually I decided that the cost difference for the spokes was worth paying a local wheel builder's labor. So far I've had the new wheel for over 4 years (probably 10k+ miles) and it's going strong.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 13, 2019, 06:19:41 PM
I had frequent trouble with NDS spokes in my rear wheel. As spokes were replaced, the breaking became more frequent. First time through this I bought a new set of machine built wheels. This set was a slight upgrade from my original wheels, but didn't last much longer. When the problem came back, I started researching why the spokes were breaking. The spokes were always breaking at the same place - the elbow at the hub of the NDS on the rear wheel. The absolute change in tension for a spoke with each revolution is more or less proportional to the weight on the wheel. I'm a big guy, carry my load on a rear rack, and ride fairly upright - my rear wheel was doing most of the work. With longer spokes and a greater angle from vertical, the spokes on the NDS of the wheel must have less overall tension than the spokes on the DS of the wheel, so these spokes had the greatest relative change and suffered the most fatigue with each turn of the wheel. I decided I wanted to upgrade to a larger spoke count (from 32 to 36 or 40), so a complete new wheel was in order. I wanted to build it myself, but had difficulty sourcing spokes at a good price for the small quantity I needed of each length (18-20), so eventually I decided that the cost difference for the spokes was worth paying a local wheel builder's labor. So far I've had the new wheel for over 4 years (probably 10k+ miles) and it's going strong.

I'm also a big guy at 200 lbs.  Had similar problems to what you were describing.  I upgraded my winter bike to a very heavy, cheapo machine built 36 spoke rear wheel and then increased the tension on all the spokes.  Had no problem from that wheel over four years of riding.  So for my summer bike I built myself a 32 spoke wheelset with double butted spokes and tensioned the wheels up nicely.  It's been well over 10,000 km on them and no problems.  They haven't even gone out of true.

Spoke count is important, especially if the wheel you've got isn't well built.  A well built 32 spoke wheel should be enough for most people though.  A well built 36 spoke wheel should be just about indestructible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 14, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
I'm also a big guy at 200 lbs.  Had similar problems to what you were describing.  I upgraded my winter bike to a very heavy, cheapo machine built 36 spoke rear wheel and then increased the tension on all the spokes.  Had no problem from that wheel over four years of riding.  So for my summer bike I built myself a 32 spoke wheelset with double butted spokes and tensioned the wheels up nicely.  It's been well over 10,000 km on them and no problems.  They haven't even gone out of true.

Spoke count is important, especially if the wheel you've got isn't well built.  A well built 32 spoke wheel should be enough for most people though.  A well built 36 spoke wheel should be just about indestructible.
Buying a machine built wheel and tightening it up by hand is probably the best frugal path to a new strong wheel - machine built wheels seem to be no more expensive than buying the hub and the rim separately - the spoke are free.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FI-REality on May 14, 2019, 10:01:14 AM
The weather was FINALLY dry enough to bike.  A little brisk at 6 deg C but it was nice to be out (hands were frozen and my ears hurt pretty bad when I got to work); walked around in a daze for a bit until my inner ears thawed out.  The new tires really smoothed out the roads and the interlocking brick path.  Now I only feel the big bumps and pot holes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 14, 2019, 02:18:03 PM
I logged my first 100 miles on my new ebike!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 14, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
Weather can be wet enough to not bike?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 14, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Weather can be wet enough to not bike?

That's the attitude I need to develop.

Probably shouldn't bike through floodwaters, though. For example.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 14, 2019, 11:13:09 PM
Weather can be wet enough to not bike?

That's the attitude I need to develop.

Probably shouldn't bike through floodwaters, though. For example.

Biking in wet weather just means you're already partly showered when you arrive at your destination. It's a a time saver really.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 15, 2019, 06:52:30 AM
Weather can be wet enough to not bike?

That's the attitude I need to develop.

Probably shouldn't bike through floodwaters, though. For example.

Biking in wet weather just means you're already partly showered when you arrive at your destination. It's a a time saver really.

If it wasn't for rain, my cycling caps would never get washed!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on May 15, 2019, 10:51:09 AM
Weather can be wet enough to not bike?

That's the attitude I need to develop.

Probably shouldn't bike through floodwaters, though. For example.
Depends on if the floodwaters are moving rapidly or not...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 15, 2019, 11:18:19 AM
There was the slightest of sprinkles today and suddenly all the other bikers disappeared off the road. Bunch of silly gooses.

That said, I looked in the mirror after changing my clothes at work and saw that my face and chest were covered in tiny mud splatters like a bunch of new freckles. Looks like I need to get myself some fenders!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 15, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
That was an adventure.

I got an auto email from work saying I had a package delivered for me in a different build a good distance away. So I got on my bike to head over. I hit a poorly-filled trench in the middle of an intersection from a bunch of construction going on in the area that popped my chain off. I pulled over and started yanking on that sucker to get it back on and completely failed. I got grease all over my hands and got the chain completely stuck to the point I couldn't physically pull it out of where it was wedged.

I walked to the bike maintenance area and sweet talked them into helping, even though they are only supposed to work on work-owned bike. Even they had trouble. They finally fixed me up, I got back on, went to the building to check on my package.

There was no package for me. I later inquired about it and was told it was a system bug sending out bad information.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 15, 2019, 08:02:05 PM
That was an adventure.

I got an auto email from work saying I had a package delivered for me in a different build a good distance away. So I got on my bike to head over. I hit a poorly-filled trench in the middle of an intersection from a bunch of construction going on in the area that popped my chain off. I pulled over and started yanking on that sucker to get it back on and completely failed. I got grease all over my hands and got the chain completely stuck to the point I couldn't physically pull it out of where it was wedged.

I walked to the bike maintenance area and sweet talked them into helping, even though they are only supposed to work on work-owned bike. Even they had trouble. They finally fixed me up, I got back on, went to the building to check on my package.

There was no package for me. I later inquired about it and was told it was a system bug sending out bad information.

TLDR - I learned about bike maintenance and got some exercise today!  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on May 17, 2019, 12:37:01 PM
Hadn't seen it mentioned, but this Friday is Bike to Work Day: https://www.bikeleague.org/content/bike-month-dates-events-0 (https://www.bikeleague.org/content/bike-month-dates-events-0).

I bike roughly two-thirds of the time to the bus stop (a little more than a mile each way), but for Friday I'm psyching myself up to ride the 23 miles to work for the first time (whether or not I ride back or take the bus is TBD). Helps that there are goodies being offered along the way in my city. Hope to see a large Mustachian turnout on Friday.

21 miles into work this morning was surprisingly more pleasant than I expected (though it might be related to the use of padded underwear for the first time). I may just make this an every-other-week thing (and probably ride the bus home).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on May 20, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
I got grease all over my hands

Keep a couple of disposable surgical gloves on your bike.  Makes these kind of moments a lot cleaner! 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: fuzzy math on May 20, 2019, 03:56:38 PM
Ventured out last Friday for free breakfast on our local bike to work holiday. Along the way I discovered a previously unknown (to me) path branch that allows me to do another 1.5 miles on the trail and exit later / closer to work. This allows me to avoid biking those 1.5 mi on the Scary In Town Highway that google maps had me use upon exiting the path. The new route only adds 0.5 mi to my route.

Felt pretty excited and utilized it today, logging 11.2 mi round trip. The weather was great too!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 21, 2019, 04:57:57 PM
What do you guys eat to keep up your energy?
Lately I’ve had no energy and I think it’s because I’m not eating enough or the right stuff.

I bike 12 miles round trip 5 days a week and go to the gym about 4 days a week.
I’ve been having a bowl of oatmeal with almond milk and a banana when I wake up, then 2 hard boiled eggs and a banana at work, then after I get home from the gym I’ll have something different for dinner.

I’ve thrown in an 8 oz whey protein shake at work which helps me stay not ravenous while at work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 21, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
You just need to try what works for you.  If you're new to cycling, you will likely not be eating enough.  I've found that it's takes a little over a thousand calories extra each day for my 22 mile round trip commute.  Less than that and I'll lose weight and be cranky.  This means that I plan a much bigger lunch most days when cycling in, and always bring some extra fruit (bananas, apples, pears, oranges, mangoes, kiwi, etc.).  I also keep some dry granola type cereal and chia seeds at my desk all the time in case emergency hunger comes up.

As far as what to eat . . . carbs!  Brown rice, pasta, sweet potato, legumes, oats, or similar should make up a good sized chunk of your lunch, along with vegetables if you're looking for energy.  Fatty foods like seeds and nuts will help keep you feeling full for longer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on May 21, 2019, 07:44:56 PM
I’ve been cycling regularly for about 13 months now but only commuting for 4.
That’s a good idea to keep some food in the office.
I’m going to try having some chicken salad (with pasta) for lunch and see if that helps.

I’m overweight by (I estimate) around 50 pounds so the weight loss is certainly welcome. Just need the energy.

Going to bike (19 miles round trip :D) to the grocery store tomorrow and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 21, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Don't burn as many calories since I e-bike, but still ends up around 300-350 calories for the 13-14 mile round trip, and I do find myself needing an extra 'bike meal.'  Generally I will eat a bowl of cereal + oats + banana with milk right after getting home and that sets me straight.  Economical and carb-heavy. 

During the day I do eat a lot at my desk, but that's because I lift weights instead of taking a lunch break and then eat at my desk (protein shake + granola bars + nuts).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on May 22, 2019, 07:00:03 AM
What do you guys eat to keep up your energy?

As far as what to eat . . . carbs!

As a counterpoint, I followed MMM into low-carb land a few years ago, and it seems to work for me. I typically don't eat much if anything before or during a long sustained workout (whether a 20-mile bike ride or 4,000-ft mountain ascent), and I can go hours afterwards without feeling especially hungry. I will make up those calories come dinnertime, but the hunger pangs don't really exist like they used to.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on May 22, 2019, 08:30:34 AM
My bike commute isn't as long as some of yours, but I find it useful to keep a jar of peanut butter at my desk. I usually have either a banana or an apple with me as a snack every day, so if I feel like I'm extra hungry I just throw a tablespoon of PB on it & that's a nice boost. I used to keep trail mix but I lack the self control to eat a reasonable portion haha.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on May 22, 2019, 10:39:21 AM
What do you guys eat to keep up your energy?
Lately I’ve had no energy and I think it’s because I’m not eating enough or the right stuff.

I bike 12 miles round trip 5 days a week and go to the gym about 4 days a week.
I’ve been having a bowl of oatmeal with almond milk and a banana when I wake up, then 2 hard boiled eggs and a banana at work, then after I get home from the gym I’ll have something different for dinner.

I’ve thrown in an 8 oz whey protein shake at work which helps me stay not ravenous while at work.
I commute a similar distance, 11 miles per day if I take the shortest route each way. No serious elevation (like 200ft).

Typically I'll ride fasted in the morning. Drink a glass of water and go out the door.
Breakfast = Cereal, oatmeal, pastries, or a banana
Lunch = Sandwich & chips, a frozen meal, or leftovers
Snack = Granola bar, found chocolate
Dinner = Leftovers, pasta, stir fry, quiche, pizza (too many options)

Sometimes I add a longer ride after work... 18 miles with 1000ft climbing. I don't really adjust what I eat unless I'm going to be riding for more than an hour(means I'll fill up the water bottle and bring granola bars.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 22, 2019, 12:10:03 PM
You'll want to eat some carbs and protein to keep up energy even if you do want to burn some fat. Just keep the calories replaced lower the the calories burned (it should only take eating 10-30% of the calories burned to keep your energy levels up if you have body fat to burn).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 22, 2019, 08:22:15 PM
My office stocks fancy pants chocolate milk in the office fridge. On days I feel extra hungry in the afternoon, I have a glass of that.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on May 28, 2019, 05:11:20 PM
I sold my car a couple weeks ago and just started my first day of bike commuting. My commute is just over 8 miles one way, majority being on a paved bike trail.

However, I need some advice. I use a waterproof roll-top backback to carry my clothes (dress shoes, pants, shirt, undershirt, underwear, socks, tie, watch, belt), lunch box, phone, wallet, and body-cleaning wipes and deodorant. I know most people use racks and pannier bags, but I didn't want to always have the racks on my road bike.

But my main issue is with the logistics of changing clothes. What's the best way to store all my dress clothes in the bag without wrinkling them? Also, what do you guys do with your sweaty biking clothes while at work? I have no place to hang them out to dry, so they get balled up and end up stinking. Then I put on the same smelly clothes for the ride back home. Is there any way to mitigate this? The ride to work isn't so bad, because it's before 6 AM and the sun hasn't yet come up, but the ride home in the 90+ degree humid weather can get pretty brutal.

As always, any advice is GREATLY appreciated!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 28, 2019, 05:39:41 PM
I sold my car a couple weeks ago and just started my first day of bike commuting. My commute is just over 8 miles one way, majority being on a paved bike trail.

However, I need some advice. I use a waterproof roll-top backback to carry my clothes (dress shoes, pants, shirt, undershirt, underwear, socks, tie, watch, belt), lunch box, phone, wallet, and body-cleaning wipes and deodorant. I know most people use racks and pannier bags, but I didn't want to always have the racks on my road bike.

But my main issue is with the logistics of changing clothes. What's the best way to store all my dress clothes in the bag without wrinkling them? Also, what do you guys do with your sweaty biking clothes while at work? I have no place to hang them out to dry, so they get balled up and end up stinking. Then I put on the same smelly clothes for the ride back home. Is there any way to mitigate this? The ride to work isn't so bad, because it's before 6 AM and the sun hasn't yet come up, but the ride home in the 90+ degree humid weather can get pretty brutal.

As always, any advice is GREATLY appreciated!
I attended this lecture years ago on how to pack a suitcase for travel and the person advised rolling your clothes together to reduce wrinkling. I’ve used that pretty successfully when traveling overseas (back when I still owned stuff that could wrinkle, that is). So take your pants and shirt and lay them on top of each other flat, throw in socks and knickers and whatnot, maybe fold in half for size, and then roll that whole thing up like a burrito.

I’ve hung my biking stuff to dry over my filling cabinet or on the back of my chair at work after particularly rainy days. I’ve also just left them hanging on a shelf in the ladies’ room. Can you just commander some space like that?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 28, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
I sold my car a couple weeks ago and just started my first day of bike commuting. My commute is just over 8 miles one way, majority being on a paved bike trail.

However, I need some advice. I use a waterproof roll-top backback to carry my clothes (dress shoes, pants, shirt, undershirt, underwear, socks, tie, watch, belt), lunch box, phone, wallet, and body-cleaning wipes and deodorant. I know most people use racks and pannier bags, but I didn't want to always have the racks on my road bike.

But my main issue is with the logistics of changing clothes. What's the best way to store all my dress clothes in the bag without wrinkling them? Also, what do you guys do with your sweaty biking clothes while at work? I have no place to hang them out to dry, so they get balled up and end up stinking. Then I put on the same smelly clothes for the ride back home. Is there any way to mitigate this? The ride to work isn't so bad, because it's before 6 AM and the sun hasn't yet come up, but the ride home in the 90+ degree humid weather can get pretty brutal.

As always, any advice is GREATLY appreciated!
I attended this lecture years ago on how to pack a suitcase for travel and the person advised rolling your clothes together to reduce wrinkling. I’ve used that pretty successfully when traveling overseas (back when I still owned stuff that could wrinkle, that is). So take your pants and shirt and lay them on top of each other flat, throw in socks and knickers and whatnot, maybe fold in half for size, and then roll that whole thing up like a burrito.

I’ve hung my biking stuff to dry over my filling cabinet or on the back of my chair at work after particularly rainy days. I’ve also just left them hanging on a shelf in the ladies’ room. Can you just commander some space like that?

+1  on rolling stuff.

Lay pants and shirt flat, put socks, undies, and undershirt in the middle.  Roll the pants and shirt around them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on May 29, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
I sold my car a couple weeks ago and just started my first day of bike commuting. My commute is just over 8 miles one way, majority being on a paved bike trail.

However, I need some advice. I use a waterproof roll-top backback to carry my clothes (dress shoes, pants, shirt, undershirt, underwear, socks, tie, watch, belt), lunch box, phone, wallet, and body-cleaning wipes and deodorant. I know most people use racks and pannier bags, but I didn't want to always have the racks on my road bike.

But my main issue is with the logistics of changing clothes. What's the best way to store all my dress clothes in the bag without wrinkling them? Also, what do you guys do with your sweaty biking clothes while at work? I have no place to hang them out to dry, so they get balled up and end up stinking. Then I put on the same smelly clothes for the ride back home. Is there any way to mitigate this? The ride to work isn't so bad, because it's before 6 AM and the sun hasn't yet come up, but the ride home in the 90+ degree humid weather can get pretty brutal.

As always, any advice is GREATLY appreciated!

Some of those things you're carrying every day - could you leave them at work?  Leave dress shoes, several ties, watch, belt, and free up some space in your backpack, perhaps for an extra set of biking clothes?  Maybe a large, sealing bag to hold the dirty clothes and avoid stinking up the place?

Also agree with the rolling comments.  I do avoid many of these challenges since I use an e-bike, go to work very early like you, and live in coastal CA; I save my sweating for the ride home.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on May 29, 2019, 08:14:59 AM
I got some of those plastic command hooks and fixed a few of them up under my desk.  My bike shorts and sports bra hang to dry down there.  You can't see them unless you're really looking.  My shirt dries on my coat hook.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on May 29, 2019, 08:38:01 AM
My current job is super casual so I don't have to worry about wrinkly clothes, but at my last job I did. I had another obligation after work one day a week that required driving in on those days, so I used that as an opportunity to bring in the next week's worth of shirts and such without them getting messed up. It required a little bit of forethought but wasn't a huge burden to work around.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on May 29, 2019, 09:22:24 AM
I understand not wanting a rack on a road back, but you'll be WAY less sweaty if you get those clothes off your back. I've never tried them, but I wonder if the seat mounted bike racks might work for your use case & let you throw a pannier on. It's incredible how much more comfortable I am riding without that stuff on my back.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 29, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
I understand not wanting a rack on a road back, but you'll be WAY less sweaty if you get those clothes off your back. I've never tried them, but I wonder if the seat mounted bike racks might work for your use case & let you throw a pannier on. It's incredible how much more comfortable I am riding without that stuff on my back.

This. Even fancy pants road bikes can have racks mounted to them. https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/streamliner-racks/streamliner-road-dlx/ You'll get way less sweaty and your back will thank you in the long run.

I commuted for years on a compact framed carbon road bike with my gear in a messenger bag. My back did not appreciate it and let me know in no uncertain terms last fall that the situation could not continue. Now I ride a basic hybrid commuter with a rack like a proper commuter. My body is happier and I can haul all kinds of crap in the panniers with no real effect on my body. Ironically, I also ride way more now because the hybrid is an older model with a beat up frame, so I feel safe leaving it locked up just about anywhere.

Another great thing to do is to leave whatever you can at work. My shoes, belt and a pair of jeans get left behind. The jeans get switched out once/week so I'm not hauling them everyday.

Your riding clothes need to air out during the day. I like the command hooks idea (use them myself to hang my towel in the shower room), but you could even just drape them over your bag or the frame of your bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 29, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
I went from using a rack with panniers to a backpack, and much prefer the backpack.  A good backpack with a chest and waist strap doesn't move at all while you're riding, and is quite comfortable.

Yes, the backpack is warmer in the summer.  By the time I get to work I'm sweaty regardless of what method of holding stuff I use, so that doesn't really matter to me.  Warmer is actually kinda nice in the winter, spring, and fall when it's colder.  Stuff carried in panniers is jostled more than stuff carried on your back . . . so if you're concerned about that work laptop, the backpack is the way to go.  You can haul all sorts of crap with panniers . . . but I've found over the years that the less I haul the better.  Using a backpack and keeping the weight on your back encourages you to be less wasteful and to really pare down the stuff that you carry to the minimum.  Panniers also stick out from your bike and create some noticeable drag . . . having your stuff behind you is better aerodynamically, which means you don't have to work as hard (or you go faster for the same effort).

Your balance on the bike is better with a backpack.  Panniers add weight to the frame in a weird way, and throwing the bike from side to side while climbing feels scary with them attached.  Because panniers add weight to the frame, they're harder on your frame and wheels when you go over bumps . . . with a backpack you can change your weighting much more easily.  Bunny hopping a bike with panniers is somewhere between difficult and impossible.  It's easy to bunny hop with a backpack.  Your bike is lighter without a rack.  If you're going for a fast ride on the weekend there's no futzing around taking the rack off.  There's no fussing around with clipping/unclipping panniers and awkwardly carrying them around (and the carry strap is always a bit awkward) . . . you just walk away from the bike.  I've also taken to clipping my rear lights to my bag . . . which means that I don't have to unclip/pull off multiple lights every time I go to lock up.


I've got nothing against panniers and they're a viable alternative, but there are a lot of little reasons that keep me from using mine very often for commuting.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 29, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
My husband has a rear-mounted basket where he puts his backpack and (on the way home), dinner. I’d really like one also to get the backpack off of my back, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on May 29, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
Totally valid arguments @GuitarStv --I still think it's worth experimenting with both methods to see what works for each person. I felt like a new woman the first time I biked with a pannier. But, I also tend to carry a lot of stuff with me, so maybe that's part of the difference.

I do notice the balance thing occasionally, especially if I come out of my saddle to climb (the only) hill on my commute, but I've mostly gotten used to it. And I've never bothered taking my rack off. I tend to ride with a pannier even if I'm just going on a fitness ride because it's nice to have extra layers & snacks.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 29, 2019, 03:31:32 PM
Panniers also stick out from your bike and create some noticeable drag . . . having your stuff behind you is better aerodynamically, which means you don't have to work as hard (or you go faster for the same effort).

They also make your frame wider behind you where you can't see them, so you have to be more careful that you've left enough space when passing, say, a fire hydrant sticking into the trail. Ask me how I know.

I enjoyed my pannier for the month before I broke the mounting hooks that way. Now I bungee-net my backpack to a rear rack, because I hate the feeling that I can't fully expand my lungs when I'm wearing the backpack. I am re-appreciating the ease of carrying the backpack, though, even though attaching/detaching it from the bike is more annoying.

I also don't detach my rack; it requires a screwdriver. I suppose I could loop it into the U-lock with a cable lock.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on May 29, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
Thanks for the awesome recommendations, guys. Sadly I work in a open workspace with several people I don't know too well, so there's no way to hang my sweaty clothes in my office. BUT seeing these suggestions gave me the idea that I could hang my clothes over my bike in the parking garage and use it as a makeshift drying rack. I think this will be way better than balling them up in my bag until I put them back on for the ride home!

Thanks for the positive perspective on using a backpack, GuitarStv. My road bike definitely doesn't have the geometry to support racks and bags, so for the time being the backpack is the most efficient solution. I think once we have more space in the future, I'll probably get a more cargo-friendly touring bike to support racks and bags, and then have my road bike for unloaded riding.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on May 30, 2019, 08:55:32 AM
Hi All,

Thought I would jump in as well.  My commute sounds somewhat similar to Geographer, it would be slightly over 8 miles one-way, however it would be broken up into two 4 mile rides by a slight train/rail ride.  So it would be 4 miles from house to rail, then 4 miles from rail to work and vice versa.  I'm not fully committed as I still have my car, so I'm looking to maybe start at 1 day a week and slightly ramp up, however I'm hesitant as I am a very new biker and want to get a spare tube and practice changing a flat as I have never done that before.

I've been biking to the grocery store for 6 months now, but that's not too impressive as I only live about .4 miles away.  I was using an old beat down mountain bike that definitely could not make the commute, but I just pulled the trigger on a new bike.  I guess it's a somewhat mustachian purchase (once I get the value out of commuting), however I did it in a non-mustachian manner.  Bought a Trek FX3 Disc for $815 https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/fx-3-disc/p/21572/ (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/fx-3-disc/p/21572/) Any thoughts?

Also, kind of an impulse kind of guy so I took it out for a 16 miles ride the day I bought it and it kicked my ass (physically and literally), I saw a mention of the padded shorts, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Barbaebigode on May 30, 2019, 09:35:56 AM
I live in a tropical country and commute by bike everyday. For me what worked best was a combination of light fabric shorts and a pannier/bike seat where I strap my backpack. I ride shirtless most of the time and only put on a dry fit tshirt about a block away from work. If the tshirt gets sweaty I dry it inside a large drawer at my desk that I leave 5cm/2in open, due to the open office BS.

The few times that I wore a backpack to work were a sticky, sweaty mess that I don't plan on repeating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on May 30, 2019, 09:38:43 AM
Hi All,

Thought I would jump in as well.  My commute sounds somewhat similar to Geographer, it would be slightly over 8 miles one-way, however it would be broken up into two 4 mile rides by a slight train/rail ride.  So it would be 4 miles from house to rail, then 4 miles from rail to work and vice versa.  I'm not fully committed as I still have my car, so I'm looking to maybe start at 1 day a week and slightly ramp up, however I'm hesitant as I am a very new biker and want to get a spare tube and practice changing a flat as I have never done that before.

I've been biking to the grocery store for 6 months now, but that's not too impressive as I only live about .4 miles away.  I was using an old beat down mountain bike that definitely could not make the commute, but I just pulled the trigger on a new bike.  I guess it's a somewhat mustachian purchase (once I get the value out of commuting), however I did it in a non-mustachian manner.  Bought a Trek FX3 Disc for $815 https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/fx-3-disc/p/21572/ (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/fx-3-disc/p/21572/) Any thoughts?

Also, kind of an impulse kind of guy so I took it out for a 16 miles ride the day I bought it and it kicked my ass (physically and literally), I saw a mention of the padded shorts, any suggestions?

You already bought the bike so it doesn't really matter what we think now. ;) Probably wouldn't have been my suggestion to get a new one, as Trek bikes are a dime a dozen on Craigslist, but what's done is done.

My bike shorts are clearance models from Sierra Trading Post that I bought 4 years and 2000 miles ago. They serve the purpose just fine. No need to get crazy when you're starting out, but they do make a difference on longer rides. If you're still having a lot of pain after getting padded shorts, a better seat is the next thing to try.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 30, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
Thanks for the awesome recommendations, guys. Sadly I work in a open workspace with several people I don't know too well, so there's no way to hang my sweaty clothes in my office. BUT seeing these suggestions gave me the idea that I could hang my clothes over my bike in the parking garage and use it as a makeshift drying rack. I think this will be way better than balling them up in my bag until I put them back on for the ride home!

Is your parking garage secured? I would hate for your gross clothes to get swiped!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on May 30, 2019, 12:06:20 PM
Also, kind of an impulse kind of guy so I took it out for a 16 miles ride the day I bought it and it kicked my ass (physically and literally), I saw a mention of the padded shorts, any suggestions?

For any rides over about 10 miles, buy the padded shorts. I still laugh at myself when I put them on, but it sure beats the pain in the ass that results from riding without them.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 30, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
Also, kind of an impulse kind of guy so I took it out for a 16 miles ride the day I bought it and it kicked my ass (physically and literally), I saw a mention of the padded shorts, any suggestions?

It's hard to make a suggestion for padded shorts.  They kinda work as a system.  What is great for my ass and saddle may not work well for yours.  But it doesn't have to be scary.  I'm comfy in any pair of shorts for under 50 km rides, and it's only when I'm doing over 100 km that I start getting really picky.

Bike shorts go on sale now and again, so just figure out what size you are and pick some up when that happens.  Any bike shorts are better than no bike shorts.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 30, 2019, 01:59:10 PM
Bike shorts go on sale now and again, so just figure out what size you are and pick some up when that happens.  Any bike shorts are better than no bike shorts.

This. I like padded shorts for my 12.5km each way commute. Any padded shorts are better than none, but given the choice I prefer ones with a thicker, cushier pad. For me, Pearl Izumi fit the bill nicely. I also prefer a longer inseam, rather than the shorter ones, this may only be an option for women's shorts though. I also always size up. All bike shorts fit snugly, no need for them to also be restrictive.

Padded shorts help alleviate any pain you feel directly under your seat bones. This is the part of your posterior you're supposed to sit on. If you're having pain in any of your soft tissues, you probably need a different seat, and/or a bike fit. Your soft tissues aren't meant to be sat on and will let you know when they're unhappy. Bike shorts won't fix that.

The bike you bought looks great. For $800, if you use it even semi regularly to commute,  you'll easily recoup the cash in reduced driving costs. I also think buying new is a good option for a newb. You know the bike you've got is in great shape and most shops include a basic fit and some tune up services as well. Plus, presumably they sold you the right size frame, so you don't have to worry about that.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on May 30, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
I understand not wanting a rack on a road back, but you'll be WAY less sweaty if you get those clothes off your back. I've never tried them, but I wonder if the seat mounted bike racks might work for your use case & let you throw a pannier on. It's incredible how much more comfortable I am riding without that stuff on my back.

^^^This^^^

I loathe backpacks. Just got the rack and panniers and am really enjoying them. It was 98 degrees today. Not having a sweaty, uncomfortable backpack on was really nice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on May 30, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
Thanks for the awesome recommendations, guys. Sadly I work in a open workspace with several people I don't know too well, so there's no way to hang my sweaty clothes in my office. BUT seeing these suggestions gave me the idea that I could hang my clothes over my bike in the parking garage and use it as a makeshift drying rack. I think this will be way better than balling them up in my bag until I put them back on for the ride home!

Is your parking garage secured? I would hate for your gross clothes to get swiped!

Hahaha yes, fortunately it is a secured parking garage with employee only access! Honestly, if my sweaty clothes got swiped I'd probably just find it funny!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 30, 2019, 09:26:23 PM
Also, kind of an impulse kind of guy so I took it out for a 16 miles ride the day I bought it and it kicked my ass (physically and literally), I saw a mention of the padded shorts, any suggestions?

For any rides over about 10 miles, buy the padded shorts. I still laugh at myself when I put them on, but it sure beats the pain in the ass that results from riding without them.
The “butt shorts”, as my husband calls them, do look and feel ridiculous, but they help. I also find that over the course of several weeks of riding my parts sort of toughen up and get used to the abuse. I can often go without the padding now.

Anyone have any smart ideas about chafing? I don’t usually get anything but the other week in the shower I noticed I had scabs where my upper thighs must contact the edge of the saddle. Maybe I did a casual ride wearing regular pants at some point and that wasn’t a good combo? I’m mystified.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 31, 2019, 07:08:42 AM
You can get chafing for two reasons:

1.  Mechanical chafing - this is where a seam a bit of material, or something else is rubbing against you.  Enough rubbing of anything, and eventually it'll damage the skin below.  Solutions:  Bike specific shorts go a long way towards fixing this usually, if you've got particularly hairy 'nads running a clipper set to #2 around the area (don't shave - the hairs growing back in will cause problems) will also reduce the amount of rubbing going on.  Chamois cream can also help, because it's a lubricant and will minimize the effects of rubbing.

2.  Infection related chafing - Your 'nads are naturally a somewhat unsanitary place (why God saw fit to put the pleasure center next to the waste removal area I'll never know).  Add in hot humid weather, occasional rain, a whole lot of sweat, and all the dust/crap that gets kicked up off the road and into your general ass area from your rear tire . . . and it's even worse.  There's always going to be a small amount of rubbing going on when you're sitting on a bike saddle, even if you've religiously followed all of item 1 . . . and bacteria can and will cause skin irriation.  This ranges from red itchy skin to red bumps, to pus filled blisters . . . which pop and then you'll have open wounds in this unsanitary area.  Cycling is gross.

You want to keep your undercarriage as clean as possible at all times.  I always shower and wash my 'nads before a long bike ride.  Most chamois creams are antibacterial . . . which is another reason to use them for long bike rides.  Don't wear bike shorts more than once before washing them*.  When you get off the bike, don't chill in your bike shorts - a wet body temperature chamois is a bacteria growth chamber.  Get them off as soon as possible and shower.  After your shower, make sure to carefully dry off your undercarriage completely before putting on undewar.  Wear loose fitting cotton underwear - no synthetic materials.  Synthetic materials also seem to encourage bacteria growth.




* I give shorts for commuting a pass on this . . . you can wear the same pair to work and then back home from work.  But try to put them somewhere where they'll dry out completely before you put them on to go back home.  Never wear the same pair more than one day of commuting though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on May 31, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
Anyone have any smart ideas about chafing? I don’t usually get anything but the other week in the shower I noticed I had scabs where my upper thighs must contact the edge of the saddle. Maybe I did a casual ride wearing regular pants at some point and that wasn’t a good combo? I’m mystified.

Have you had discomfort in that area while riding?  If my seat is too far back, I get rubbing on the backs of my legs like that.  You might try moving your seat forward VERY slightly.  (I'm talking like a half of a cm.) 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on May 31, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
Your saddle position should be set based on your leg position relative to the cranks.  It shouldn't have anything to do with chafing, and changing it is not likely to fix problems unless you've got a saddle that's not suitable for the type of riding you're doing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on May 31, 2019, 08:12:39 AM
My saddle feels like shit if it's too far back, but feels like heaven when it's in the right position.  And if it's too far back, I get chafing.  Dunno, just stating my experience. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 31, 2019, 08:45:29 AM
I’ve never felt uncomfortable there while riding, which is why it was such a surprise to see chafing. It has only happened once or twice, which is why I’m thinking it might be related to jumping randomly on the bike for a short ride wearing whatever instead of leggings/bike shorts.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on May 31, 2019, 09:00:18 AM
You already bought the bike so it doesn't really matter what we think now. ;) Probably wouldn't have been my suggestion to get a new one, as Trek bikes are a dime a dozen on Craigslist, but what's done is done.

I was thinking this prior to purchasing the bike...

The bike you bought looks great. For $800, if you use it even semi regularly to commute,  you'll easily recoup the cash in reduced driving costs. I also think buying new is a good option for a newb. You know the bike you've got is in great shape and most shops include a basic fit and some tune up services as well. Plus, presumably they sold you the right size frame, so you don't have to worry about that.

But, also this.  I'm definitely a total newb and didn't even know where to begin and how to evaluate the condition of the bike.  Didn't want to get paralysis by analysis, so just decided to go for it.  And awesome, thanks I'll take a look on Sierra Trading Post!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 31, 2019, 10:07:25 AM
I prefer not having a backpack on if I can help it. I do live in a warm climate with mostly flat terrain, so some of GuitarStv's points as to why he prefers a backpack don't apply in my situation.

For bike commuting clothes, I change at work a put my bike clothes in my bag. They sit in the bag in my air conditioned office for about 9 hours, then I change back into them for the ride home. Most of the year my 20 minute ride isn't really enough to get them sweaty in the morning. In the warmer months they are a bit gross to put back on, but I've never had any real issues with it. Overall, I'm sure they're no worse than they would be if I wore them for a single long ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 31, 2019, 11:08:08 AM
I’ve never felt uncomfortable there while riding, which is why it was such a surprise to see chafing. It has only happened once or twice, which is why I’m thinking it might be related to jumping randomly on the bike for a short ride wearing whatever instead of leggings/bike shorts.

If it's not really bothering you, it may not be worth addressing. I get stuff like this from time to time and simply live with it as long as it's not getting worse or causing a lot of discomfort. I also find things like this happen more frequently as the weather gets warmer and I sweat more during each ride.

I think you're also pregnant? Maybe you've gained some weight and it's causing parts to rub that didn't before?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 31, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
Question for anyone who's tried to bike, or exercise, in smoky air. Any recommendations on masks?

I live in the PNW and smoke season is starting up already. It's mild right now, but if the past 3 years are any indication it will soon be much worse. In past years, I just didn't bike when it was very smoky, but I'd like to try biking through it this year. Effective masks seem to come in 2 styles, a "sport" version and a "work" version. Do the "sport" styles actually filter well enough? Or would it be the equivalent of wearing one of those useless paper masks?

https://www.amazon.ca/Meanhoo-Cycling-Anti-dust-Filter-Neoprene/dp/B01C9OMFZW/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2RUJAJGCPEA9Y&keywords=smoke+masks+for+fire&qid=1559322681&s=gateway&sprefix=smoke+mask%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-4

https://www.amazon.ca/Facepiece-Reusable-Respirator-6200-medium/dp/B007JZ1N00/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=2RUJAJGCPEA9Y&keywords=smoke+masks+for+fire&qid=1559322809&s=gateway&sprefix=smoke+mask%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-18-spons&psc=1
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 31, 2019, 11:23:29 AM
I rode during the nasty wild fires here in the Bay Area last year. We happened to have some leftover N95 masks that the construction crew had left behind from some remodeling. They worked well though they aren’t the most comfortable thing in the world.

I got a less ugly/more comfortable cloth one from amazon with replaceable inner filters for my work trips to China. It is more comfy but much less effective. Since your health is at stake and you will be doing exercise I vote for the commercial/construction certified N95 masks, not whatever other nonsense you can get online.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on May 31, 2019, 11:25:47 AM
Question for anyone who's tried to bike, or exercise, in smoky air. Any recommendations on masks?

I live in the PNW and smoke season is starting up already. It's mild right now, but if the past 3 years are any indication it will soon be much worse. In past years, I just didn't bike when it was very smoky, but I'd like to try biking through it this year. Effective masks seem to come in 2 styles, a "sport" version and a "work" version. Do the "sport" styles actually filter well enough? Or would it be the equivalent of wearing one of those useless paper masks?

https://www.amazon.ca/Meanhoo-Cycling-Anti-dust-Filter-Neoprene/dp/B01C9OMFZW/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2RUJAJGCPEA9Y&keywords=smoke+masks+for+fire&qid=1559322681&s=gateway&sprefix=smoke+mask%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-4

https://www.amazon.ca/Facepiece-Reusable-Respirator-6200-medium/dp/B007JZ1N00/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=2RUJAJGCPEA9Y&keywords=smoke+masks+for+fire&qid=1559322809&s=gateway&sprefix=smoke+mask%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-18-spons&psc=1
It looks like the first one is a real N95, at a quick glance at least. The second one is the kind of face mask I wore at work for personal safety and it works great, but you need to buy the cartridges and the correct cartridges. They usually come in categories like organics, particulates, etc. You could also go to a local Grainger and ask some questions to help you select the right one if you have one near by.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on June 01, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
The most important thing is that a mask fit well (no leaks) and that it be rated to at least N95 (I believe N99 isn't recommended for sport though because it's too difficult to inhale through at high respiration rates).  The main difference I have seen between sport and work is that a sport mask can come with a valve that allows you to exhale without resistance making it easier to breathe.

We had masks for ourselves we bought last year and just bought masks for our kids, the smoke blew in so suddenly last Thursday we recognized that we could easily get caught out in some seriously terrible air.

From Alberta, currently on fire to the tune of several hundred thousand hectares burning... more to come if we don't get some rain soon. Rain would also help clean the air out too.



Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on June 04, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
I’ve never felt uncomfortable there while riding, which is why it was such a surprise to see chafing. It has only happened once or twice, which is why I’m thinking it might be related to jumping randomly on the bike for a short ride wearing whatever instead of leggings/bike shorts.

If it's not really bothering you, it may not be worth addressing. I get stuff like this from time to time and simply live with it as long as it's not getting worse or causing a lot of discomfort. I also find things like this happen more frequently as the weather gets warmer and I sweat more during each ride.

I think you're also pregnant? Maybe you've gained some weight and it's causing parts to rub that didn't before?
Ah yes, pregnancy.

In the light of embarrassing over sharing, I got new data this last weekend to inform my opinion of what is going on. Turns out my issue stems from running, not from biking. It would appear that weight gain from pregnancy is happening everywhere, not just the location I want (belly), and is leading to chaffing. So I need to change my running shorts selection to prevent this in the future.

Damn. I realize the weight gain is for a good cause, but it is still a little disheartening to think of the work of getting it all off again down the line.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on June 19, 2019, 03:09:54 PM
Anybody know if it's true that biking can lead to male infertility? We've been trying to get pregnant for many months now without success, and I bike a lot. And even started bike commuting daily. I'd consider us a very healthy couple, so we're surprised it's been taking this long!

Hopefully it's just a myth!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on June 19, 2019, 03:20:16 PM
Have you done a semen analysis? I’d recommend starting there and talking with your doctor if anything amiss pops up.

I can’t speak to the biking thing though we are accidentally pregnant right now and my husband has been riding his bike to work every day for close to 2 years....

A friend whose husband did have a somewhat lower speed count saw improvements by having him add walnuts to his diet, oddly enough.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on June 19, 2019, 06:56:43 PM
Anybody know if it's true that biking can lead to male infertility? We've been trying to get pregnant for many months now without success, and I bike a lot. And even started bike commuting daily. I'd consider us a very healthy couple, so we're surprised it's been taking this long!

Hopefully it's just a myth!

Cycling should not lead to infertility.  As always though, don't be stupid.  If your 'nads are going numb or you're getting penis pain, fix your saddle or position.  I was regularly cycling between 2 and 300 km a week when we decided to try for a child.  It took one try.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on June 19, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
@ysette9 as someone who gets running-chafing, the best solution I have found is Bodyglide, which was recommended by a lot of cyclists. As a mustachian, I must say just buy the regular version, not the "ladies" version which is functionally identical but costs the same for 1/3 less in a pink casing. [yay pink tax]. For healing the chaffing, sudocream in the grey tub is amazing and will also come in handy for dealing with nappyrash in the future.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on June 19, 2019, 08:26:05 PM
@ysette9 as someone who gets running-chafing, the best solution I have found is Bodyglide, which was recommended by a lot of cyclists. As a mustachian, I must say just buy the regular version, not the "ladies" version which is functionally identical but costs the same for 1/3 less in a pink casing. [yay pink tax]. For healing the chaffing, sudocream in the grey tub is amazing and will also come in handy for dealing with nappyrash in the future.
Thanks for the recommendation. For now I’ve switched running shorts to one that has fabric on the areas in question. My sincere hope is that this problem will go away once I am no longer pregnant.
If not, I’ll be looking up this body glide product (and probably crying about the fact that I need it!).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on June 29, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Does anyone bike in sandals? I work in a super casual office and normally wear shorts and flip flops in the summer, but flip flops aren't great for biking in so I've been wearing socks & sneakers for my commute. My ride isn't too long, only about 4 miles, and thus far I've avoided the need to bring in a full change of clothes. The past few days have been really hot while biking in and it's taken me longer to cool down after my ride and even with bringing new shirt to change into I'm sweaty and hot for the first part of my day.

I've thought about bringing my flip flops and then changing into them but don't want to have stanky, sweaty shoes & socks sitting in my bag all day, so I'm wondering if a pair of (non-flip flop) sandals would help my feet stay cool on the ride in, something like these Keens but ideally less expensive:

(https://cdn.runrepeat.com/i/keen/25984/keen-newport-h2-sandalias-deportivas-para-hombre-navy-medium-grey-48-hombre-navy-medium-grey-ffaf-600.jpg)

I don't clip in to my pedals so most of the results when I googled "biking sandals" weren't very helpful. Any experience or recommendations from you guys would be great!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: aetheldrea on June 29, 2019, 03:28:55 PM
My first thought was, well,why not clip in? Get some pedals that have a platform on one side and spd on the other. The guy who runs the CyclingAbout web site wears clip in sandals as his only shoes for long distance bicycle touring, I think.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on June 29, 2019, 05:58:15 PM
As usual, Sheldon Brown has the answers you're looking for.  :P

http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/ (http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on June 29, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
I bike in Tevas all the time & find it much more comfortable when it's warm out. If it's a warm day and it rains, I'd rather be in sandals. And I hate sweaty feet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on June 29, 2019, 10:23:20 PM
Not sandals, but I wear flats every day and bike in them as well. That leaves the top of my feet uncovered (don’t forget sunblock there!) and the mesh of the shoe fabric allows for some breathing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on June 29, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
Anybody know if it's true that biking can lead to male infertility? We've been trying to get pregnant for many months now without success, and I bike a lot. And even started bike commuting daily. I'd consider us a very healthy couple, so we're surprised it's been taking this long!

Hopefully it's just a myth!

Never heard of a study that indicates biking to be a problem. Your SO and yourself need to get the testing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on June 30, 2019, 03:04:07 AM
As usual, Sheldon Brown has the answers you're looking for.  :P

http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/ (http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/)
Sheldon Brown, the man who likes fixies because freewheeling makes your legs lazy?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on June 30, 2019, 06:57:40 AM
As usual, Sheldon Brown has the answers you're looking for.  :P

http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/ (http://sheldonbrown.com/blog/tag/sandals/)
Sheldon Brown, the man who likes fixies because freewheeling makes your legs lazy?

Didn't say all the answers were right.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on June 30, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
My Keens are actually my favorite footwear for biking!  So you have my stamp of approval.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on July 02, 2019, 10:59:51 AM
Go for it! I bike in sandals when it's really hot. Never been a problem.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on July 02, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
I am strongly in favour of sandals for cycling and actual shoes for the office rather than the other way round. I cycle in Sydney so a lot of the time I wear birkenstocks or my duckfeet sandals for riding. It has never been a problem.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on July 03, 2019, 11:07:23 AM
My dear husband added a basket on the back of my bike so I don’t have to wear a backpack. Excellent. However there isn’t quite enough room and he had to love my saddle forward. I’m sitting more upright now, which is good for my growing belly, but I’m putting more weight on my hands. My palms are fingers are going numb when I ride. What am I doing wrong.

I think I need to go find some sort of alternate fitting to allow the basket to be further back. The metal rod thingies that came with it are too short.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 03, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
My dear husband added a basket on the back of my bike so I don’t have to wear a backpack. Excellent. However there isn’t quite enough room and he had to love my saddle forward. I’m sitting more upright now, which is good for my growing belly, but I’m putting more weight on my hands. My palms are fingers are going numb when I ride. What am I doing wrong.

I think I need to go find some sort of alternate fitting to allow the basket to be further back. The metal rod thingies that came with it are too short.

Saddle position on a bicycle should not be modified to accommodate accouterments.

There are a variety of ways to jerry rig a solution to your problem, but honestly I'd just take the basket back and get a rack that fits your bike properly.  Once you have that you can attach just about anything to the rack (including baskets).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on July 03, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
My dear husband added a basket on the back of my bike so I don’t have to wear a backpack. Excellent. However there isn’t quite enough room and he had to love my saddle forward. I’m sitting more upright now, which is good for my growing belly, but I’m putting more weight on my hands. My palms are fingers are going numb when I ride. What am I doing wrong.

I think I need to go find some sort of alternate fitting to allow the basket to be further back. The metal rod thingies that came with it are too short.

Saddle position on a bicycle should not be modified to accommodate accouterments.

There are a variety of ways to jerry rig a solution to your problem, but honestly I'd just take the basket back and get a rack that fits your bike properly.  Once you have that you can attach just about anything to the rack (including baskets).

Yes. This.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on July 07, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Yesterday, rode in Chicago weather, 16F, equal to about -9C, which would be a new low for me. 

It was clear, but just cold. 

Today was only my 3rd day biking in 2019, mainly due to snow rather than cold.  Also had a few airports trips around work I had to make. 

There are 251 working days for me in 2019, not counting vacation days.  My goal is 200/251 days biked for 2019.  I will remove 1 day from both numerator and denominator for each vacation day I take. 

So far I'm only 3/8 after two weeks.

I love the idea of keeping track of the fractional days choosing a Mustachian travel option. I'll see if I can keep track this year as well. So far I'm 4/5 using the bike and public transportation. 80% seems like a reasonable goal, in that there are typically some days I more-or-less have to drive.

I had a better month in June, but it was still only 16/20 bike to work days.  I had been meaning to record here, to keep myself accountable, but rather than hijack the thread, I started a journal to track myself.  I put the link in my sig.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on July 07, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
You're welcome to join us in this thread! It's all about tracking frequency of Mustachian transportation - @Boofinator started it after the exchange you just quoted. https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/mustachian-transportation-2019/msg2405653/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/mustachian-transportation-2019/msg2405653/)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on July 07, 2019, 06:43:41 PM
You're welcome to join us in this thread! It's all about tracking frequency of Mustachian transportation - @Boofinator started it after the exchange you just quoted. https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/mustachian-transportation-2019/msg2405653/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/mustachian-transportation-2019/msg2405653/)

Hmm...not sure how I missed that.  Jumping in!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on July 08, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Yesterday, rode in Chicago weather, 16F, equal to about -9C, which would be a new low for me. 

It was clear, but just cold. 

Today was only my 3rd day biking in 2019, mainly due to snow rather than cold.  Also had a few airports trips around work I had to make. 

There are 251 working days for me in 2019, not counting vacation days.  My goal is 200/251 days biked for 2019.  I will remove 1 day from both numerator and denominator for each vacation day I take. 

So far I'm only 3/8 after two weeks.

I love the idea of keeping track of the fractional days choosing a Mustachian travel option. I'll see if I can keep track this year as well. So far I'm 4/5 using the bike and public transportation. 80% seems like a reasonable goal, in that there are typically some days I more-or-less have to drive.

I had a better month in June, but it was still only 16/20 bike to work days.  I had been meaning to record here, to keep myself accountable, but rather than hijack the thread, I started a journal to track myself.  I put the link in my sig.

I have a whole spreadsheet dedicated to figuring out how to ride more and drive less. Inspired by the spreadsheet a former user set up as a monthly biking thread here. He doesn't run it anymore, so I just started tracking on my own.

Anyway, the spreadsheet's worked well for me. I basically only drive now when I have to bring the kids somewhere. They're too big to haul around in a trailer, but not quite mature enough that I trust them on the roads all the time.

Traffic's also awful here. That's actually my biggest motivator. Biking is faster and less aggravating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on July 08, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
What kinds of handlebar setups do people like for commuting? My route is pretty flat, mostly on bike paths with some riding on residential streets, none of it is through too crazy of urban traffic. My current bike (https://www.straycatbicycles.com/Bicycles.html) has flat handlebars and while they're not uncomfortable (i.e. no pain/numbness etc) I find myself wanting more hand positions for even short rides of a few miles. I know someone with the same bike who swapped the flats out for bullhorns who seems to like that well enough, but I was thinking of starting with some bar ends as a cheaper alternative. Any recommendations? Thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 08, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
Drop bars are ideal but are a pain in the ass to convert a flat bar bike to because you typically need different brake levers and shifters.

If you already have flat bars and the associated shifters/brakes, bar ends work well to give an alternate position (a combination of cutting the flat bars narrower and bar ends gives you exactly the same position you would get with bullhorns.  You could also go crazy and look into butterfly/trekking bars.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on July 08, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
yeah it's a single speed so shifters wouldn't be a problem, and I had considered bullhorns because from some googling it sounds like I could get away with using the same brake levers as well. Seems like bar ends might make the most sense though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 08, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
If you're going that route, Ergon makes integrated grip/bar ends that are the most comfortable I've ever tried.  They're kinda pricey, but if you can find some on sale they're what I'd recommend.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on July 26, 2019, 03:53:17 PM
Just had occasion to re-read my first post on this thread, when I hoped to bike to work 1x per week. It's been almost 2 years since I purchased my bike, and I'm thrilled to say that I've moved closer to work and am now shooting for biking 90% of the time.

I am also buying my first pair of real bike shorts. The heat wave has made it clear that chafing is a real threat. I don't need butt padding, but I do need them to be long, as I am quite tall and the yoga shorts I have ride up. Any recs?

(Side note: rolling my eyes at the number of Amazon listings that boast "tummy control" or "sexy." I'm just trying to commute!)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 26, 2019, 04:57:18 PM
You will likely not find many good bike shorts without padding.  The padding lets you avoid wearing underwear beneath the shorts.  Quality bike shorts also typically have some sort of silicone gripper on the inside of the cuffs to prevent them from riding up.  I'd consider both pretty essential to avoiding chafing.

Most things called 'bike shorts' sold in clothing stores and marketed to women are weird 'fashion' statements, not bike shorts.  They are often not made of a durable sweat wicking fabric and (as mentioned) require that you wear underwear beneath them (which will cause the very chafing you're hoping to avoid).  Look for stuff on sale from actual bike shops, measure yourself and use the sizing charts from online bike shops.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on July 26, 2019, 08:38:11 PM
It has been a while since I’ve checked in here. I got my lovely father to piece together how to extend the metal arm thingies that attach my basket to the bike so that the basket can sit further back away from my saddle. Plenty of room for my bum now and it is so wonderful! Way more comfortable.

I am 31 weeks now and still biking, though I’m using the highest setting of assist on my ebike and at a level low enough that I mostly never break a sweat. My plan has always been to keep going until I don’t feel comfortable doing it anymore, and so far I still feel good. Well, we good as anyone 31 weeks pregnant can be, which is often not great, but not related to biking.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Bateaux on July 26, 2019, 08:49:15 PM
Does anyone bike in sandals? I work in a super casual office and normally wear shorts and flip flops in the summer, but flip flops aren't great for biking in so I've been wearing socks & sneakers for my commute. My ride isn't too long, only about 4 miles, and thus far I've avoided the need to bring in a full change of clothes. The past few days have been really hot while biking in and it's taken me longer to cool down after my ride and even with bringing new shirt to change into I'm sweaty and hot for the first part of my day.

I've thought about bringing my flip flops and then changing into them but don't want to have stanky, sweaty shoes & socks sitting in my bag all day, so I'm wondering if a pair of (non-flip flop) sandals would help my feet stay cool on the ride in, something like these Keens but ideally less expensive:

(https://cdn.runrepeat.com/i/keen/25984/keen-newport-h2-sandalias-deportivas-para-hombre-navy-medium-grey-48-hombre-navy-medium-grey-ffaf-600.jpg)

I don't clip in to my pedals so most of the results when I googled "biking sandals" weren't very helpful. Any experience or recommendations from you guys would be great!

Since I bike mostly in the south, I wear Keens sandals on flat pedals 90 percent of the time.  I do have SPD shoes and clipless pedals on my road bike.  It's flat on the other side.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on July 26, 2019, 09:13:14 PM
I had to put some gas in the car today.  Just six gallons; my last $20 'fill-up' lasted me 3.5 months, so that's where the bar is set. 

Disclaimer - I drive the family car plenty when we're taking the whole family somewhere.  My car is used to occasionally cart the kids around, or go to my dentist's office, which lies outside the area I've found to be bikeable. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on July 28, 2019, 03:40:26 PM
Just had occasion to re-read my first post on this thread, when I hoped to bike to work 1x per week. It's been almost 2 years since I purchased my bike, and I'm thrilled to say that I've moved closer to work and am now shooting for biking 90% of the time.

I am also buying my first pair of real bike shorts. The heat wave has made it clear that chafing is a real threat. I don't need butt padding, but I do need them to be long, as I am quite tall and the yoga shorts I have ride up. Any recs?

(Side note: rolling my eyes at the number of Amazon listings that boast "tummy control" or "sexy." I'm just trying to commute!)

If you don't need the butt padding and the weather is very hot, I'd try to find a pair of unpadded shorts. I have issues with yeast when I wear padded bike shorts in hot weather, but of course YMMV. My latest trick for getting "longer" shorts is to simply cut off a pair of leggings or capris and hem them. It's frankly less work than trying to find a pair of shorts that has more than a 4" inseam.

In biking news, I seem to have reached a new level of insanity. After years of intermittent hip/lower back pain on my right side I finally figured out I've been pedalling using mostly my right leg. Turns out if you pedal with both legs, you end up equally sore on both sides, which is an improvement. However, in order to fix the imbalance I'm now biking to the gym so I can do imbalance fixing exercises so I can bike more. Feels kind of like a snake eating it's tail . . .
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on July 28, 2019, 04:28:48 PM
Just splurged on what looks to be a quality cycling backpack!

My current one (that I've had for 10+ years) still works but isn't water resistant and not optimal for biking so I've FINALLY decided to replace it.
I got tired of having to put everything in grocery bags and getting the pack fabric soaked when it rains.

I got the $180 Osprey Radial 34 on sale for $79
https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/radial-34-RADIAL34.html

The features and "tech" look promising.

This was part 2 of setting myself up to bike in the rain. Part 1 was a rain fly for my rack bag (I hate getting my bags wet).

I still would like to figure out the shoes... I don't mind getting my clothes or myself wet but am not a fan of soaking wet shoes (or bags).

Maybe a pair of sandals like the ones shown above, except cheaper and non SPD.


Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on July 28, 2019, 08:46:16 PM
I've been using an Osprey Escapist 32 for a couple years now, and it has been a truly excellent backpack for cycling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on July 28, 2019, 08:52:59 PM
I went with these bike shorts: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YRSBGYK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They look a bit cheaply made, but that's fine since I'm not exactly sure what I want yet. As long as they don't ride up I'll be pleased.

Thanks for the warning, @TrMama. I've been blessed never to have had problems with yeast in the past - knock on wood - but I will keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on July 29, 2019, 11:48:21 AM
I am 31 weeks now and still biking, though I’m using the highest setting of assist on my ebike and at a level low enough that I mostly never break a sweat. My plan has always been to keep going until I don’t feel comfortable doing it anymore, and so far I still feel good. Well, we good as anyone 31 weeks pregnant can be, which is often not great, but not related to biking.
When I was a kid, we biked to the park for swimming lessons daily much of the summer - even the year my youngest sister was born in early August. Mom pulled a bike trailer filled with two toddlers, a gallon or two of water, and a picnic lunch for five each day until within a week or so of my sister's birth (it was flat terrain and we didn't travel any faster than I could ride at age 6).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on July 30, 2019, 02:42:06 PM
Just had occasion to re-read my first post on this thread, when I hoped to bike to work 1x per week. It's been almost 2 years since I purchased my bike, and I'm thrilled to say that I've moved closer to work and am now shooting for biking 90% of the time.
*high five*

I am also buying my first pair of real bike shorts. The heat wave has made it clear that chafing is a real threat. I don't need butt padding, but I do need them to be long, as I am quite tall and the yoga shorts I have ride up. Any recs?

(Side note: rolling my eyes at the number of Amazon listings that boast "tummy control" or "sexy." I'm just trying to commute!)
Getting away from cotton makes a big difference. Target sells some Champion C9 undies that are 93% Nylon, 7% Spandex. Perfect if you don't need the butt padding.

This was part 2 of setting myself up to bike in the rain. Part 1 was a rain fly for my rack bag (I hate getting my bags wet).

I still would like to figure out the shoes... I don't mind getting my clothes or myself wet but am not a fan of soaking wet shoes (or bags).

Maybe a pair of sandals like the ones shown above, except cheaper and non SPD.
Mudguards / fenders + Cycling Overshoes

High vis overshoes are a great safety item. Color in motion is very eye catching. Mine are black, but they keep my feet and shoes pretty dry during the rainy season. Enough so that I can ride everyday without doing anything too out of the ordinary to dry them. Fenders reduce the amount of road water that's splashed up on you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on July 30, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
Do you have a link of what these cycling overshoes look like or on Amazon?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on July 31, 2019, 09:46:15 AM
Do you have a link of what these cycling overshoes look like or on Amazon?

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=cycling+booties&crid=8PN4S4AEAU4&sprefix=cycling+boo%2Caps%2C196&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_11

I have a black neoprene pair. They keep my feet nice and warm, but not always completely dry when it's pouring rain.

Note that most of them are designed to go over bike shoes which tend to be closer fitting than regular shoes. If you want to put them on over normal shoes, buy a larger size.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 01, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Only got back into biking on Saturday, but I'm already encountering an issue.

It is an uncomfortable and tingling sensation in my left foot :(

I've read that due to exercise on a bike, the bloody flowing to your feet can make them expand. My footwear is comfy and spacious though. I actually have a hard time buying footwear due to my feet. I literally tried on 60 pairs of shoes before I purchased my current ones. And I bought two pairs because I was so delighted I found ones that actually fit my feet. They were on sale as well, which helped! :)

I actually did have this sensation a year and a half ago. It must have been from using the bike machine in the gym. I saw a podiatrist, and x-rays were done. I was provided with specifically designed insoles. But nothing else could be done. There seemed to be no concerns with my shoes either. But these insoles are not helping my left foot when cycling.

For the summer, as an alternative, I can use my sandals, which should give my feet more room to breathe. I will see if this helps. However, I was looking to do this year round, so sandals will not be appropriate for the winter months!

Anyone else experience these foot issues? It's an annoying, tingling sensation. Not particularly painful, but irritating nonetheless.

Any recommendations on how to handle this issue?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on August 01, 2019, 02:20:49 PM
Sometimes I encounter that if I am exercising on something like an elliptical and I am not picking up my feet frequently enough. I presume it is from having pressure on my feet in the same position for too long. Could it be something like that or do you think it is the shoes?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 01, 2019, 02:28:45 PM
Sometimes I encounter that if I am exercising on something like an elliptical and I am not picking up my feet frequently enough. I presume it is from having pressure on my feet in the same position for too long. Could it be something like that or do you think it is the shoes?

Hard to say. I'll try sandals and see if that has a positive effect.

The rides are not long either. 25 minutes each way to work. To already be having issues is a concern.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on August 01, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Is your entire foot numb, foot + ankle, just the sole, or the top of the foot?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: aetheldrea on August 01, 2019, 02:48:45 PM
The sandals discussion on the previous page of this thread has a link to a Sheldon Brown blog article on sandals. Some people wear them year round. There’s a photo of Sheldon in sandals on a New Year’s Day ride in Boston.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 01, 2019, 03:45:23 PM
Is your entire foot numb, foot + ankle, just the sole, or the top of the foot?

Just the toes. And the three smaller ones. Rest of the foot is fine. Very strange, but annoying sensation.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 01, 2019, 03:51:47 PM
The sandals discussion on the previous page of this thread has a link to a Sheldon Brown blog article on sandals. Some people wear them year round. There’s a photo of Sheldon in sandals on a New Year’s Day ride in Boston.

Interesting. I will use sandals and hopefully that will resolve the issue. It thankfully doesn't get too cold where I live, so after reading that article, it should be okay in the winter time as well. As long as the sandals don't also cause an issue!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 01, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
I used to have toe clips on my pedals which were a bit restrictive and could lead to numbness for longer rides. Eventually I decided that they just weren't worth having, so now ride with regular platform pedals (with a decent amount of grip due to the short vertical studs around the edges). I haven't yet tried fancy clipless pedals and shoes yet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 01, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
A great many cycling shoes are very narrow in the toe box and will cause numbness as your feet swell during a ride.  It's also super easy to over-tighten cycling shoes . . . where they feel OK for an hour or so but then you feel almost crippled after that.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on August 01, 2019, 11:18:38 PM
Sometimes I encounter that if I am exercising on something like an elliptical and I am not picking up my feet frequently enough. I presume it is from having pressure on my feet in the same position for too long. Could it be something like that or do you think it is the shoes?

Hard to say. I'll try sandals and see if that has a positive effect.

The rides are not long either. 25 minutes each way to work. To already be having issues is a concern.
When I experience this on the elliptical it happens well within my 30-min workout.  Not saying this is what is happening to you, but it isn’t out of the question. I hope the sandals help
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 02, 2019, 08:30:37 AM
Sometimes I encounter that if I am exercising on something like an elliptical and I am not picking up my feet frequently enough. I presume it is from having pressure on my feet in the same position for too long. Could it be something like that or do you think it is the shoes?

Hard to say. I'll try sandals and see if that has a positive effect.

The rides are not long either. 25 minutes each way to work. To already be having issues is a concern.
When I experience this on the elliptical it happens well within my 30-min workout. Not saying this is what is happening to you, but it isn’t out of the question. I hope the sandals help

I would say it is most likely at this point. Yeah, fingers crossed with the sandals. They are good sandals which I purchased a few years ago when I visited Cuba. They have proved to be a great purchase so far, and if they help with cycling, it will be an even more valuable purchase :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: imadandylion on August 02, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
I have been cycling to work for 4 solid months each weekday, except when I have every other Friday off from work. I missed 3 days of cycling due to work-related stuff. Here are some thoughts:

It's 4.5 miles each way. Now, a lot of people, especially don't who don't cycle, will say, "That's pretty good!" implying it's easy. NOPE. It was extremely hard for me to actually cycle this distance without my legs and lungs being completely worn out, even as someone who regularly strength trains, hikes, runs. Like you know, squats deadlifts, HIIT, the whole shebang. When I 'tested' the route, my legs were done for by the time I got back and I couldn't cycle continually, often needing to coast. Road crowns were always a struggle, as were micro hills. Also, it was literally very really hard on my butt/bones and left me sore for a long time.  I'd experienced that a few weeks prior with a 23-mile leisurely bike ride, but for some reason I didn't think to get bike shorts prior to that because I thought with the shorter distance that it wouldn't be an issue. Anyway, I quickly invested in some bike shorts and that solved that problem.

On the topic of bike shorts, I also want to point out, because I've heard this in real life and also read this sort of comment on this thread... Just because someone thinks you don't need padded bike shorts until a certain # of mileage, doesn't mean you should listen to them! Ultimately, you should do what works for you. So if people are throwing out comments like, "I don't feel the need to wear padded bike shorts unless I'm biking more than 10 or 20 miles," who the eff cares what they think? Ultimately, it's your own butt that's on the line. If your saddle isn't comfortable, you can change it to something that suits you so that you may not need padded bike shorts, but currently I do not have the patience to experiment with this.

Anyway, my cycling commute became easier for sure, but I think that towards the 2-month mark was I actually able to say my cycling fitness level improved significantly, and I could comfortably go the distance without it feeling completely difficult. Now it's really easy! The only thing that hasn't really gotten that much easier is carrying my bike up 3 flights of stairs every day... even though I've taken the stairs daily for like 3+ freaking years (and that hasn't even gotten easier without a bike, lol).

Also, I'm pretty excited to say the google time estimate for cycling this distance/route is 26 minutes, and when I first began, it would take me  29-30 minutes to cycle. Over a couple months, I whittled that down minute by minute to 19-20 minutes (maybe faster if I didn't obey traffic laws). I have cycled in the rain and in oppressively hot summer temperatures that seems permanently fixed between 95 and 105-degree and will continue this winter. When I wake up in the morning, it's the default routine and I don't question it. Part of that is from utter abhorrence of public transportation in this city (which I used to commute for a month before I decided to 100% commit to cycling), and another part is from simply not owning a car. Wish I could have done this earlier, but the route to my last job involved being on the highway and that just wasn't for me. I love the typical things people love about cycling, like incorporating additional exercise into your routine and feeling less stressed about sitting in traffic. I also feel like it's great for deciding when I want to leave and how fast I want to get there, because that's something you cannot control with public transportation, especially if it's not punctual or reliable.

This is getting kind of long, but I also saw a question in this thread asking what people do with clothes when they get to work.

I use and love the Timbuk2 Raider backpack, which has an inner pocket and flat board which you carefully fold your clothes with, then slip them into the pocket. This helps keep the clothes neat and sort of 'pressed' looking, so they don't get all wrinkly by the time I get to work. I'm sure people can configure a similar system if they don't have that backpack. The backpack itself is pretty solid choice and really inexpensive (I purchased mine on ebay for all of $25). For a daily commute, it's perfect. As someone who eats a lot and is concerned about space to carry food, it can carry quite a bit depending on how efficient one is at packing and if one has a system (of having extra things at work, so they don't need to be transported every day). My partner doesn't even cycle, and he ended up getting this backpack because it's a great size and weight (about 1 lb). For rain, I use put a hi-viz rain cover over it since it's not waterproof. Super inexpensive fix, and great for visibility.

I also leave at least 1 shirt, pants, bra, and underwear in the locker at work so that if I forget something in the morning (and I have!), I won't have an issue.  Instead of a full-sized bath towel, I just use a slightly larger hand towel so it fits neatly into my backpack and with the small size, it will dry faster. I'm just rinsing my body, not trying to soak up and completely restyle my hair or anything, so a big towel really is completely unnecessary since I'm trying to cut down bulk/weight for traveling. Since the locker itself isn't big enough to hang multiple garments and doesn't provide enough air circulation to actually dry the towel and the sweaty cycling attire, I choose to hang them up underneath my desk at work using damage-free adhesive Command hooks. And no, it doesn't smell, and it really shouldn't, unless you're rewearing sweaty cycling gear every day or something. I used to hang the clothes on my gear shifters, but I prefer the command hooks since they're out of sight.

Also, this hasn't seemed to be addressed here yet, but sunscreen is really important. I've gotten some weird ass tan lines from cycling, but I tan extremely easily anyway. Lately, I've been enjoying Blue Lizard mineral sunscreens for face and body. Absorbs quickly, not greasy,  minimal white cast. Sunscreen is imperative if you want to avoid that leathery skin look later in life. Or if you just burn easily.

I haven't experienced any feet/shoe issues. Since I do not have pedals that necessitate clip-in shoes, I just use a pair of lightweight running shoes with running socks, or sometimes Keds with no socks.

Editing to add: Sunglasses are also imperative. Just like you should never cycle without a helmet, you shouldn't attempt cycling without sunglasses or eye protection of some sort. Road junk and debris WILL get into your eyes, even if it's not a windy day. Ask me how I know this. If you can get sunglasses that curve and minimize exposure, that's even better. Because you will definitely get road junk flying into your eyes from the sides, too.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on August 02, 2019, 11:27:32 AM
All good tips. I’d add that I added a wide brim to my helmet for sun protection as I seem to commute at times and angles that the sun is in my eyes. I have to remember to put sunblock on the tops of my feet which I often forget.

Finally: sunblock is important for avoiding sunburn and wrinkles and looming leathery later, but most importantly for avoiding CANCER.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 02, 2019, 11:31:34 AM
I am not very impressed with my bike shorts so far. The crotch padding seems to be rubbing in exactly the same place that underwear was rubbing anyway. And as mentioned above, my butt was never in need of padding. I will say they are nice and grippy and don't roll up, at least.

Also, this hasn't seemed to be addressed here yet, but sunscreen is really important. I've gotten some weird ass tan lines from cycling, but I tan extremely easily anyway. Lately, I've been enjoying Blue Lizard mineral sunscreens for face and body. Absorbs quickly, not greasy,  minimal white cast. Sunscreen is imperative if you want to avoid that leathery skin look later in life. Or if you just burn easily.

Hmm. I have never worn sunscreen on my commute and have not noticed any tanning (although until recently I was wearing long leggings). I burn moderately easily, but my commute is not at a high-UV time of day, nor is it very long. Maybe I'll start sunscreen if I notice tan lines developing? For the moment it doesn't seem to have a huge impact.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: imadandylion on August 02, 2019, 12:02:05 PM
@ysette9 Yes, definitely cancer is something to avoid, too! It's annoying to have to apply before riding, but it's worth it. If anyone is wondering, I do usually take care to remove makeup/prior sunscreen application before reapplication, right before riding with makeup wipes or a face wash.  These wipes are inexpensive and good: https://www.ulta.com/cleansing-oil-makeup-removing-cloths-soothing-refreshing?productId=pimprod2005058

@Tass If the time is short and the UV-index is actually low during time of riding, I would probably skip sunscreen, too, unless you are using skincare products that make your skin more sensitive/thinner (such as glycolic acid, salicylic acid, or retinoids). I don't use sunscreen at 6 AM for this reason. But the sun is really harsh where I live at 4 or 5 PM, so it's a must, especially since I do use skincare products that will make my face more prone to sun damage.

If you're lucky to not need padded shorts, that's great. If you're interested in it anyway or for anyone else who is curious, I use these shorts:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/womens-sl-pro-shorts/p/152014?color=243085-152014

And I also use Lululemon bike shorts, which are pretty good except for the waistband rolling down. You're not wearing underwear with the shorts, right? Because I don't. I think that's important. These don't rub me in any way. Their chamoix is cleverly and seamlessly sewn into the short, unlike the Specialized ones, but the Specialized ones actually also don't bother me at all.

I also tried Rapha shorts, which also have the seamless chamoix integration and also did not produce any rubbing, but the construction was very low quality (falling apart at the seams) so I returned after trying two of them.

The bike shorts are expensive, but they are worth it to me. I prefer to buy fewer, better quality things and don't believe in buying cheap crap that will fall apart. Cheaper stuff is more trouble, time, and money than it's worth to deal with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 02, 2019, 12:31:25 PM
Nope, not using underwear with the shorts, but I don't actually think it's the seams causing the problem - the padding itself is wider than my "thigh gap" (as it were). Thus, rubbing. I've never had a problem with butt soreness, but now that I'm sweating I'm concerned about chafing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on August 02, 2019, 01:02:24 PM
I've found that really cheap brands of bike shorts have padding that's stiff and feels like cardboard. If you don't need it and it's causing discomfort, you should be able to remove it using a basic seam ripper. Then you'll have unpadded bike shorts.

Higher end bike shorts should have better quality padding. Plus different brands are known for having thicker/thinner padding, so you could shop around.

I put sunscreen on most mornings. Even days I don't bike, I try to at least put some on my face. I don't burn very often, but I do get tanned and many older members of my family have had suspicious moles removed (often from their faces). I'm trying to make sure I keep as much of my original skin as possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on August 08, 2019, 02:36:54 PM
Is your entire foot numb, foot + ankle, just the sole, or the top of the foot?

Just the toes. And the three smaller ones. Rest of the foot is fine. Very strange, but annoying sensation.

This sounds a lot like a nerve issue... very possibly a nerve in your groin getting pressure where it's not supposed to. You might want to try a different saddle.

I used to have toe clips on my pedals which were a bit restrictive and could lead to numbness for longer rides. Eventually I decided that they just weren't worth having, so now ride with regular platform pedals (with a decent amount of grip due to the short vertical studs around the edges). I haven't yet tried fancy clipless pedals and shoes yet.

I rode with toe clips for 20+ years, loved them. Eventually went the fancy clipless route... and honestly, not impressed. They work, yeah, but the cost is ridiculous for what they are. When I wear out this set of cleats, seriously thinking about going back to cages with straps.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on August 08, 2019, 05:50:46 PM
Sunglasses are also imperative. Just like you should never cycle without a helmet, you shouldn't attempt cycling without sunglasses or eye protection of some sort. Road junk and debris WILL get into your eyes, even if it's not a windy day. Ask me how I know this. If you can get sunglasses that curve and minimize exposure, that's even better. Because you will definitely get road junk flying into your eyes from the sides, too.

Completely agree. There isn't many things more important than being able to see while you're biking.
I wear safety glasses, they're so inexpensive it's ridiculous:
https://www.discountsafetygear.com/rugged-blue-diablo-safety-glasses.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=470315839917&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-KfXmLv04wIVk7fsCh0MjwjFEAYYCCABEgIUe_D_BwE
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: imadandylion on August 08, 2019, 06:36:21 PM

Completely agree. There isn't many things more important than being able to see while you're biking.
I wear safety glasses, they're so inexpensive it's ridiculous:
https://www.discountsafetygear.com/rugged-blue-diablo-safety-glasses.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=470315839917&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-KfXmLv04wIVk7fsCh0MjwjFEAYYCCABEgIUe_D_BwE

@GreenToTheCore Great idea! I do wonder though if they're still safe during crashes though? For instance, I know some glasses manufacturers, like the brand Smith, make ones where they don't shatter upon impact when you crash.

You can also get polychromatic sunglasses that transition from sunglasses to clear depending on the lighting conditions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: FunkyStickman on August 08, 2019, 07:59:41 PM
And, wouldn't you know it, right after I posted about not really needing clipless pedals... my set of Shimanos broke. The pivot pin backed out once a while ago... I popped it back in, but the damage to the plastic had been done. Was only a matter of time before it went. Got an aluminum pair still on the Peugeot, will use those for now. Need to swap the toe clips from my son's bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on August 08, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Got a flat last week and sweet talked my husband into fixing it for me the other evening. As he pulled off my front wheel there were some tiny parts of the front through-axel that broke: a c-clip and two tiny o-rings. He managed to put things back together again but not before he complained about the poor design.

I rode it yesterday to my morning appointment. Afterwards I saw several messages from him imploring me to come home and take the car to work instead. He had thought about it more and decided it wasn’t safe to ride as-is. Damn it.

I took the bike to the store this afternoon and asked about it. Initially the shop guy assured me it was totally safe, but later after more reflection admitted it was better I leave the bike so he can order replacement parts.

Naturally the manufacturer doesn’t sell the tiny c-clip and o-rings separately but as part of a $50 full axel replacement part. Sigh
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on August 09, 2019, 12:04:18 PM
Great idea! I do wonder though if they're still safe during crashes though? For instance, I know some glasses manufacturers, like the brand Smith, make ones where they don't shatter upon impact when you crash.

Honestly, I assumed that if they were good enough for shards flying through the machine shop then they were good enough to land on.
But no time like the present to learn more, turns out they're held to ANSI Z87 (the website even says "exceeds ANSI Z87").

The "drop ball" test determines the basic impact safety classification for lenses. In this test, a one-inch diameter steel ball is dropped onto the lens from a height of 50 inches. To pass, the lens must not crack, chip or break. All glass safety lenses must undergo this test. For plastic safety lenses, however, only a statistical sample of a large batch of lenses needs to be tested.

Makes me want to go borrow a 1" steel ball and see what happens :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 22, 2019, 10:37:41 AM
Well, its been a few weeks, and my legs feel like jelly. Figured they would be feeling stronger!

My distances are not that extreme either. My commute to work each way is less than 4 miles. There are hills, but nothing too crazy.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 22, 2019, 11:45:53 AM
It takes a little while, @Itrembac, or at least it did for me. A week not to be entirely miserable, and then several months of slowly getting better at it before I wasn't exhausted by Friday. And my trip is only about 3 miles! I biked about half the days in January; I haven't missed a day yet in August. You're making progress, even if it's invisible right now.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Legsofsteel on August 22, 2019, 11:54:52 AM
It takes a little while, @Itrembac, or at least it did for me. A week not to be entirely miserable, and then several months of slowly getting better at it before I wasn't exhausted by Friday. And my trip is only about 3 miles! I biked about half the days in January; I haven't missed a day yet in August. You're making progress, even if it's invisible right now.

That is reassuring! Thanks for posting.

It got a bit cooler where I live the last few days, which definitely helps. Also had my first rain day, which went fine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: imadandylion on August 22, 2019, 06:49:16 PM
Great job @Itrembac and @Tass for biking!

Are you biking really fast? Sometimes it helps if you adopt the "I'll get there when I get there" attitude. I recommend foam rolling your legs regularly.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 22, 2019, 07:01:36 PM
Ha, for months the only way I could get myself onto the bike was by promising myself I could go as slow as I wanted. Now I'm disappointed on the way home if I don't feel like I got to work hard enough! It's a great end-of-the-day stress reliever. I am still not that fast, though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 22, 2019, 08:11:19 PM
Legs be damned.  I get very upset when my average commute speed drops below 30 kph.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: DoNorth on August 22, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
Well, its been a few weeks, and my legs feel like jelly. Figured they would be feeling stronger!

My distances are not that extreme either. My commute to work each way is less than 4 miles. There are hills, but nothing too crazy.

Probably 2-3 months until you can do the ride with relative ease depending on your level of fitness.  I find myself trying to ride in more difficult gears now to get some extra resistance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 23, 2019, 09:09:59 AM
Humblebrag time: I finally got my twenty-mile (biweekly) commute under 1.5 hours (13.3 mph / 21.5 kph). Still haven't figured out how to ride without hand numbness since I purchased my first drop bar bike. Maybe I'll need to splurge on gloves?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on August 23, 2019, 10:32:29 AM
Humblebrag time: I finally got my twenty-mile (biweekly) commute under 1.5 hours (13.3 mph / 21.5 kph). Still haven't figured out how to ride without hand numbness since I purchased my first drop bar bike. Maybe I'll need to splurge on gloves?

Yes, gloves are a good plan. Get the ones will gel pads. Also double check your bike fit. It's also good to switch up your hand position from time to time on the bars to move the pressure points around.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 23, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
Humblebrag time: I finally got my twenty-mile (biweekly) commute under 1.5 hours (13.3 mph / 21.5 kph). Still haven't figured out how to ride without hand numbness since I purchased my first drop bar bike. Maybe I'll need to splurge on gloves?

Yes, gloves are a good plan. Get the ones will gel pads. Also double check your bike fit. It's also good to switch up your hand position from time to time on the bars to move the pressure points around.

The above is good advice.  Personally, I'd start with fit.  A good fitting bike will be comfy even without gloves for a couple hours.

There are a couple things I'd try first to alleviate hand pain regarding fit.  The first is sliding your saddle back a little bit.  I know that sounds weird, but stand up and try doing a squat.  Notice how your ass has to stick way out to balanc your body?  Same thing applies on a bike.  If your butt is too far forward you end up falling forward on your hands, which puts way too much pressure there.

The next thing to try is raising your bars a bit.  If they're about level with the saddle then you can ignore this, but if there's a 10-15 cm drop most people will find that this puts too much pressure on the hands.  I've found that a longer stem without as much drop will keep your position aerodynamic while reducing pressure on the hands.

Finally an easy one . . . make sure that you're using a tire pressure calculator to figure out how much pressure you need.  (The rear should always have more than the front.)  The tires are your shock absorbers on a road bike.  If you're just pumping to the max on the sidewall, you will have a painful and jarring ride . . . but even worse, you end up going slower because the tire bounces rather than deforming as it goes over little bumps and irregularities in the pavement.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 23, 2019, 12:26:58 PM
Thank you both for the advice. Resisted gloves because I never needed them with the flat bar, but realize now that gloves will perform the same function on my new bike as the padded grips did on my old bike.

I've resisted getting fitted (I bought my bike used), because I'm a cheap ass. I think I will begin to start messing with the geometric variables if the gloves don't help and see if that relieves the numbness. As for the tire pressures, I usually aim for the lower number on the sidewall (I'm about 160 lb / 73 kg). As for the different tire pressures front to rear, I've read conflicting advice in this department, with the idea that front tire pressures need to be able to accommodate safe emergency stops and fast downhill runs, both of which cause significant weight transfer to the front.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on August 23, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Legs be damned.  I get very upset when my average commute speed drops below 30 kph.  :P

I don't think of you as a newbie ;)

@Itrembac it also took me a few months to get my "legs". Part of it was realizing I needed to eat more! Now I bike year-round but still find I'll feel fatigued every now and then, whether hormones or weather or something random, but I definitely have a good sense of what my "normal" is :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 23, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
Thank you both for the advice. Resisted gloves because I never needed them with the flat bar, but realize now that gloves will perform the same function on my new bike as the padded grips did on my old bike.

I've resisted getting fitted (I bought my bike used), because I'm a cheap ass. I think I will begin to start messing with the geometric variables if the gloves don't help and see if that relieves the numbness. As for the tire pressures, I usually aim for the lower number on the sidewall (I'm about 160 lb / 73 kg). As for the different tire pressures front to rear, I've read conflicting advice in this department, with the idea that front tire pressures need to be able to accommodate safe emergency stops and fast downhill runs, both of which cause significant weight transfer to the front.

I've been bombing down hills all summer long, and regularly hit 70+ kph doing so.  Higher pressure can let a tire roll better . . . but it will actually reduce your grip.  Your front tire is all about grip.  Emergency stops are safer with lower pressure in the front than the rear tire.  That said, I wouldn't go below the pressure listed on the sidewall, there's risk of the tire coming off under hard turns.

What size tires are you running?  If your bike frame can accommodate it, moving up a size (25 to 28 or going from 28 to 32) will let you run lower pressures and act as better shock absorbers.

You can also give double wrapping your bars a shot if you don't want to buy gloves:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkb5LQ7uhok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkb5LQ7uhok).  I double wrap my winter bike's handlebars and find it is much more cushy than regular single layers of bar tape.

As far as messing with fit - do this first.  If the issue is fit, then gloves/bar tape isn't going to be a band-aid over a gaping flesh wound.  Tinkering with an allen key for a few hours on a Saturday is the cheapest (and therefore best) place to start.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 23, 2019, 02:13:19 PM
What size tires are you running?  If your bike frame can accommodate it, moving up a size (25 to 28 or going from 28 to 32) will let you run lower pressures and act as better shock absorbers.

You can also give double wrapping your bars a shot if you don't want to buy gloves:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkb5LQ7uhok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkb5LQ7uhok).  I double wrap my winter bike's handlebars and find it is much more cushy than regular single layers of bar tape.

As far as messing with fit - do this first.  If the issue is fit, then gloves/bar tape isn't going to be a band-aid over a gaping flesh wound.  Tinkering with an allen key for a few hours on a Saturday is the cheapest (and therefore best) place to start.

The bike came with size 25 tires; my plan is to wear them out before considering moving up to 28 (because: cheap ass). I agree I need to mess with fit, but I don't want to change more than one variable at a time, so I'll tackle that challenge after I give the gloves a shot and see how things go.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 23, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
There is a huge difference in comfort going from 25 - 28.  At least there was for me.  I'm currently running 28s in front and 32 in the back at 70 and 80 psi . . . but I'm a 200 lb guy.  A set of continental ultra sport IIs can usually be had for around 12$.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 23, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
My flat bar bike has 28 tires and I couldn't agree more. A lot of the high frequency noise seems to be filtered out with the larger tires.

Did you change rims when you went to larger tires? My understanding is that the rim-to-tire width is a large factor in wheel aerodynamics, and that having a tire that's larger than the rim will reduce speed considerably.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 23, 2019, 03:34:14 PM
I've got 31 mm deep aluminum rims  . . . more for strength than for aerodynamic benefit if they offer any over box sections.  Technically it would probably be better to run 25s on them I suppose.  But honestly, the rider's body position has a much greater impact on aerodynamics than the whole wheel system.  I can comfortably hold my body in a lower and more aerodynamic position for longer with a bigger tire on the front eating those vibrations.  That makes it no contest in my mind.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on August 28, 2019, 07:46:23 AM
Today was my first day riding a bike to work! Got a bike yesterday, spent some time yesterday just getting used to riding a bike again, and then rode it this morning. I just started working here and it's only a 1.3 mile ride from my house. So far, everything has been going really great - roads are pretty paved in this area and most roads have a bike lane. If they don't, drivers are used to sharing the road with bikers and I haven't encountered any jerks yet (I know, it's only been a day, but I'm excited!)

Yesterday I probably rode a total of about 3 miles, and so far today I've rode a total of 3.3 miles (commute to work + other riding beforehand). My legs are the tiniest bit jelly but the biggest thing is that my sit bones hurts. I spoke to another cyclist this morning and he told me to give it a week. I'm hoping that's true because otherwise, this whole biking thing is going to be a piece of cake!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 28, 2019, 07:56:04 AM
Today was my first day riding a bike to work! Got a bike yesterday, spent some time yesterday just getting used to riding a bike again, and then rode it this morning. I just started working here and it's only a 1.3 mile ride from my house. So far, everything has been going really great - roads are pretty paved in this area and most roads have a bike lane. If they don't, drivers are used to sharing the road with bikers and I haven't encountered any jerks yet (I know, it's only been a day, but I'm excited!)

Yesterday I probably rode a total of about 3 miles, and so far today I've rode a total of 3.3 miles (commute to work + other riding beforehand). My legs are the tiniest bit jelly but the biggest thing is that my sit bones hurts. I spoke to another cyclist this morning and he told me to give it a week. I'm hoping that's true because otherwise, this whole biking thing is going to be a piece of cake!

Good job! A three-mile roundtrip will be cake after a short adjustment period. Give it a few weeks while avoiding any additional "pleasure" riding and I imagine your sit bones should acclimate fairly quickly. If not, then there is probably something wrong with your setup (geometry and/or saddle).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 28, 2019, 08:18:59 AM
I've been thinking of getting an e-bike recently, but I can't decide if it's worth the cost.  My commute is just 9-10 miles each way, depending on the route, and our new neighborhood is much hillier than our old neighborhood, increasing my reluctance to bike places.  I thought an e-bike would help with that, but I'm hesitant to drop too much money on something I'm not sure I will use enough.

Some considerations:
-My work doesn't have any bike racks or storage, so I won't have anywhere secure to store it
-I would be riding in the dark more, which makes me nervous
-I would have to wake up earlier and get home later, because my commute would about double in time - I don't currently bike for exercise, to this would not replace other workout time, it is just extra time coming out of chores and relaxation, which I already don't have enough time for
-The route is about half on trails and half on roads, some of them heavy traffic roads. I haven't checked for bike lanes, but I'd be surprised if they had them.  Trying to avoid the major roads would add further time and distance.
-Besides work, the library is a decent biking distance, I usually do groceries on the way home (but might not pass the good stores on the bike route), family is all too far to bike, most other things we use public transit

I currently haven't biked at all since moving here, and I feel bad about it but I'm having trouble overcoming the hills and the increased distance.  I also recently decreased my monthly personal spend to funnel more money into house repairs, so I'd be saving up for many months to have enough personal spend for even a basic bike or conversion kit, which is also a bit demoralizing.

Convince me?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 28, 2019, 08:35:47 AM
I've been thinking of getting an e-bike recently, but I can't decide if it's worth the cost.  My commute is just 9-10 miles each way, depending on the route, and our new neighborhood is much hillier than our old neighborhood, increasing my reluctance to bike places.  I thought an e-bike would help with that, but I'm hesitant to drop too much money on something I'm not sure I will use enough.

Some considerations:
-My work doesn't have any bike racks or storage, so I won't have anywhere secure to store it
-I would be riding in the dark more, which makes me nervous
-I would have to wake up earlier and get home later, because my commute would about double in time - I don't currently bike for exercise, to this would not replace other workout time, it is just extra time coming out of chores and relaxation, which I already don't have enough time for
-The route is about half on trails and half on roads, some of them heavy traffic roads. I haven't checked for bike lanes, but I'd be surprised if they had them.  Trying to avoid the major roads would add further time and distance.
-Besides work, the library is a decent biking distance, I usually do groceries on the way home (but might not pass the good stores on the bike route), family is all too far to bike, most other things we use public transit

I currently haven't biked at all since moving here, and I feel bad about it but I'm having trouble overcoming the hills and the increased distance.  I also recently decreased my monthly personal spend to funnel more money into house repairs, so I'd be saving up for many months to have enough personal spend for even a basic bike or conversion kit, which is also a bit demoralizing.

Convince me?

Biking to work is not appropriate for everyone in every situation, but I'll play devil's advocate.

-Definitely need secure storage, in my opinion. Even locking up to a fence or pole would be enough to deter potential thieves.
-Riding in the dark is not as fun, but a good set of lights can be bought for less than $100 (a minor outlay when considering overall cost). The new lithium/USB lights are great and eliminate regular battery purchases.
-Are you sure your commute would be double-time on an E-bike? You'll be traveling 20+ mph, and only needing to stop the same number of times or less than cars do.
-Being able to avoid major roads is a huge stipulation for me. I thought there was no way it could be done for my commute, until I did some research and found dedicated bike trails that avoid 90% of the roads (and all major roads) and wide bike lanes for the rest. So I agree, having to ride major roads without bike lanes would be a deal-breaker for me, but hopefully your city has a few amenities you aren't yet aware of.
-Hills are mostly irrelevant on an E-bike. I think the best way to piss off a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them on an E-bike up a hill (speaking tongue-in-cheek as one of those lycra riders).

Here's my recommendation. Pick one day (preferably soon before it gets too dark in the morning, but it could wait til late spring if that works better), and just ride your regular bike to and/from work. Just one day. This will force you to really analyze the routes and other logistics, and will give you the general idea of what it's like to bike to work from your current neighborhood. Then see if you enjoy it enough to do again. If the answer is yes, but you need to get there faster, then consider buying an E-bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on August 28, 2019, 08:59:26 AM
Biking to work is not appropriate for everyone in every situation, but I'll play devil's advocate.

-Definitely need secure storage, in my opinion. Even locking up to a fence or pole would be enough to deter potential thieves.
I don't think our site security would be happy with the 'image' that leaves for guests to the site, unfortunately.  So I would need to find somewhere secure that is also not visible to any of the main entrances.
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-Riding in the dark is not as fun, but a good set of lights can be bought for less than $100 (a minor outlay when considering overall cost). The new lithium/USB lights are great and eliminate regular battery purchases.
-Are you sure your commute would be double-time on an E-bike? You'll be traveling 20+ mph, and only needing to stop the same number of times or less than cars do.
I don't think I'd be allowed to/should go that fast on the multi-use trails, as it would be dangerous to pedestrians or slower cyclists.  On the roads it's mostly stoplights.  The time increase also accounts for taking a safer, longer route than I take in the car.
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-Being able to avoid major roads is a huge stipulation for me. I thought there was no way it could be done for my commute, until I did some research and found dedicated bike trails that avoid 90% of the roads (and all major roads) and wide bike lanes for the rest. So I agree, having to ride major roads without bike lanes would be a deal-breaker for me, but hopefully your city has a few amenities you aren't yet aware of.
The route I'm looking at already includes a large proportion of multi-use trails, but the final section to get to the more industrial area has fewer options.  I'm still looking, but not optimistic.
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-Hills are mostly irrelevant on an E-bike. I think the best way to piss off a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them on an E-bike up a hill (speaking tongue-in-cheek as one of those lycra riders).

Here's my recommendation. Pick one day (preferably soon before it gets too dark in the morning, but it could wait til late spring if that works better), and just ride your regular bike to and/from work. Just one day. This will force you to really analyze the routes and other logistics, and will give you the general idea of what it's like to bike to work from your current neighborhood. Then see if you enjoy it enough to do again. If the answer is yes, but you need to get there faster, then consider buying an E-bike.

Unfortunately, I'm not in good enough shape to make it 20 miles on my old, heavy bike (possibly even on a lighter, but unassisted bike).  The hilly 10 mile ride is waaaay outside my functional range right now.  The hills may be irrelevant on an e-bike, but they sure matter on my old huffy!  I've had problems before with passing out when I overdo it working out.  I don't fancy the idea of passing out on the side of the road during morning traffic!  Even without that, I need to arrive at work relatively unsweaty, as there is no shower facility or anything.  That's part of why I was looking at the e-bike, as I could take it at whatever difficulty I can handle and use the assist for the rest.  Eventually, I would hope to need less assist, but right now that's not the case.

I also, quite frankly, don't expect to enjoy riding, especially unassisted.  I bike for transportation, not for fun.  I know that's uncommon for people in this thread, and I've been reamed out for it before, but that's the truth.  I want to bike because it's the right thing to do, to improve my health and help the environment, not for recreation.  We'll never get to the point of cycling being considered a 'normal' mode of transportation if we insist that everyone must be having fun doing it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on August 28, 2019, 09:28:00 AM
To be fair, "enjoy" wasn't meant to imply "fun". I also bike for transportation, and don't consider road biking* in and of itself "fun" (though it certainly beats commuting in traffic). I agree twenty miles is tough.

As for projecting an image for your business: I've always been under the impression that nice bikes project a positive image for many businesses. That's why many recreational places (coffee shops, brew pubs, etc.) have old bikes on the walls and such.

Having a shower for work is key for me during the summer. I agree that not having one might be a deal breaker, though a lot of folks around here do without by using the sink.

One thing I don't want to do is encourage you to get an E-bike if you won't end up using it. But as an anecdote in that direction, one of my coworkers, who is a fairly heavy guy, recently bought a full-suspension commuter E-bike and has been riding about ten miles into work and loves it. It's a nice-looking fat tire bike, goes well over twenty mph, and was relatively inexpensive at about $2k.

*Mountain biking, on the other hand....
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on August 28, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
Here's my recommendation. Pick one day (preferably soon before it gets too dark in the morning, but it could wait til late spring if that works better), and just ride your regular bike to and/from work. Just one day. This will force you to really analyze the routes and other logistics, and will give you the general idea of what it's like to bike to work from your current neighborhood. Then see if you enjoy it enough to do again. If the answer is yes, but you need to get there faster, then consider buying an E-bike.
Don't forget to subtract any difficulty climbing the hills when you think about if you enjoyed it enough to do it again. The e-bike will help most with hill climbing and accelerating from stops.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on August 28, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
I've been thinking of getting an e-bike recently, but I can't decide if it's worth the cost.  My commute is just 9-10 miles each way, depending on the route, and our new neighborhood is much hillier than our old neighborhood, increasing my reluctance to bike places.  I thought an e-bike would help with that, but I'm hesitant to drop too much money on something I'm not sure I will use enough.

Some considerations:
-My work doesn't have any bike racks or storage, so I won't have anywhere secure to store it
-I would be riding in the dark more, which makes me nervous
-I would have to wake up earlier and get home later, because my commute would about double in time - I don't currently bike for exercise, to this would not replace other workout time, it is just extra time coming out of chores and relaxation, which I already don't have enough time for
-The route is about half on trails and half on roads, some of them heavy traffic roads. I haven't checked for bike lanes, but I'd be surprised if they had them.  Trying to avoid the major roads would add further time and distance.
-Besides work, the library is a decent biking distance, I usually do groceries on the way home (but might not pass the good stores on the bike route), family is all too far to bike, most other things we use public transit

I currently haven't biked at all since moving here, and I feel bad about it but I'm having trouble overcoming the hills and the increased distance.  I also recently decreased my monthly personal spend to funnel more money into house repairs, so I'd be saving up for many months to have enough personal spend for even a basic bike or conversion kit, which is also a bit demoralizing.

Convince me?

Well, you definitely need to figure out a safe way to lock it up.  You could look into whether there is a place to bring it inside work, but if that's not a possibility you should scope out other places to lock it - bike racks are definitely not the only option.  I have a reasonably hefty lock, and I also have a heavy-duty noose-style chain that I bring when there's no good bike rack.  With the chain, I can lock it up nearly anywhere.  You could also pop off the battery and bring it in with you to work, leaving a far less attractive target.

I don't mind riding in the dark (over 50% of my commutes are in the dark), because I have multiple bright lights.  1050 lumen headlight built in to the bike, multiple blinkies, and reflective strips all over.  The most dangerous things for me are cars that forgot to turn their headlights on, so I double-check for those whenever I'm out.

You'll get plenty of extra exercise unless you're a throttle junkie like some e-bike riders.  It's a benefit whether or not you consider it to be.  I suppose you'd have to figure out how much extra time it would cost you, but certainly as the above poster said you'll be going pretty fast on an e-bike, and depending upon your route you might be able to skip certain things that slow cars down more. 

Bike routes are a work in progress, at least for me.  I start with google maps bike routing, using the 'street view' to really get a sense of what it would be like on that road (you can check for bike lanes this way), but actually being out there will give you even better perspective. 

Hills are much easier on an e-bike, unless they're super steep.  Mid-drives are supposedly better once the hills get really steep, but I've never ridden one. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on August 28, 2019, 10:24:32 AM
If you don't expect to enjoy riding an e-bike, then I'd guess you haven't ridden one before!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on August 28, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
I don't think our site security would be happy with the 'image' that leaves for guests to the site, unfortunately.  So I would need to find somewhere secure that is also not visible to any of the main entrances.


If your work has a site security team, bring it up to them the fact that there are not safe ways to lock bikes there.  Easy to steal bikes would be a be security risk to the site, right?  And if you have say into the matter, suggest indoor bike racks if they are going to implement anything.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on August 28, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
Do any ebike dealers offer rentals in your area? If so, try renting one for a week to see if it makes the commute manageable.

Another option it to try riding your regular bike one way to the office on a weekend. Have someone pick you up and drive you and the bike home. That'll give a more realistic feel for how the ride will go on a work day, since you'll never ride the complete return route back to back.

Another option is to replace your old Huffy with a nicer, lighter pedal bike. I have a couple different bikes in my fleet and agree that an old Huffy would be my least preferred option and I'd probably never ride it. My current ride is an older model Kona Dew hybrid. Al frame makes it lighter and I replace the drive train and cables as needed so it runs like a new bike. I (over)paid $300 for it used and then put another $300 in parts into it. Way, way less than the cost of an ebike, but still a big upgrade from a department store bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on August 28, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
We're also considering an e-bike for my wife, so I'm interested in everyone's experiences as well.

 We only have a ~4.5 mile commute to work but she has knee issues from an old sports injury that gets aggravated by biking. She can usually do a few miles at a time but any longer than that can be dicey. What's bad about it is that it doesn't hurt in the moment, but if she pushes it too far on a bike ride it can put her in unbearable pain for the next day or two afterwards. Anyway, we have a cool bike sharing (https://madison.bcycle.com/home) service in town with e-bikes so we're gonna take them for a test ride some time, and if the e-assist helps her knee we might pull the trigger on buying one, so any experiences or recommendations would be super!

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on August 28, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
We're also considering an e-bike for my wife, so I'm interested in everyone's experiences as well.

 We only have a ~4.5 mile commute to work but she has knee issues from an old sports injury that gets aggravated by biking. She can usually do a few miles at a time but any longer than that can be dicey. What's bad about it is that it doesn't hurt in the moment, but if she pushes it too far on a bike ride it can put her in unbearable pain for the next day or two afterwards. Anyway, we have a cool bike sharing (https://madison.bcycle.com/home) service in town with e-bikes so we're gonna take them for a test ride some time, and if the e-assist helps her knee we might pull the trigger on buying one, so any experiences or recommendations would be super!

So many options these days.  A good place to poke around is:

https://electricbikereview.com/
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on September 01, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
I bike primarily for transportation and occasionally for fun with friends. For fun on my own I'd rather be puttering in the yard or hiking with the dog.

I LOVE MY EBIKE.

I ride WAY more than I did before I had it. I even ride my regular bike more.

I spent years debating an ebike versus a scooter. I can ride my bike in the winter, which I wouldn't do on a scooter. Yeah there are days I don't feel like biking when I first leave, but being able to get where I'm going without having to take days off for asthma issues or knee pain has been a total game changer. I also totally underestimated how much easier it is to ride for transportation when I can bump up the assist to get up to speed faster at stoplights and stop signs.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on September 03, 2019, 11:36:04 AM
Today was my first day riding a bike to work! Got a bike yesterday, spent some time yesterday just getting used to riding a bike again, and then rode it this morning. I just started working here and it's only a 1.3 mile ride from my house. So far, everything has been going really great - roads are pretty paved in this area and most roads have a bike lane. If they don't, drivers are used to sharing the road with bikers and I haven't encountered any jerks yet (I know, it's only been a day, but I'm excited!)

Yesterday I probably rode a total of about 3 miles, and so far today I've rode a total of 3.3 miles (commute to work + other riding beforehand). My legs are the tiniest bit jelly but the biggest thing is that my sit bones hurts. I spoke to another cyclist this morning and he told me to give it a week. I'm hoping that's true because otherwise, this whole biking thing is going to be a piece of cake!

It's been almost a full week of riding to work. No issues with the sit bones anymore and the ride is so easy that I can't believe I just started doing it. I was actually disappointed this morning when I woke up to thunderstorms and thought I might have to take the bus - but it cleared up enough for me to ride my bike! Best part about it is that I haven't had to fill up my gas tank. If I had still been driving everyday, I would've definitely needed to fill it up at this point. At this rate, I won't have to refill it for another 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 04, 2019, 02:16:03 PM
I miss this thread! I went and had a baby so no biking to work for me for a while, and no biking at all in the short term. My poor ebike is left abandoned in the garden.

I agree with @katscratch: I LOVE my ebike. I am so-so about regular biking by that extra assist is just plain fun. My ride to work is around ten miles each way and is a nice commute with the assist. It would be impossible without. Not so much the physical aspect, though that is significant, but I would never be able to fit in the time of commuting on a regular bike.

I agree with the idea of renting one for a week to test drive the idea. I got an ebike because my work had a program of lending me an bike for six months to commute with. So I got the bug and couldn’t stop when I had to turn it back in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on September 04, 2019, 06:44:21 PM
I miss this thread! I went and had a baby so no biking to work for me for a while, and no biking at all in the short term. My poor ebike is left abandoned in the garden.

I agree with @katscratch: I LOVE my ebike. I am so-so about regular biking by that extra assist is just plain fun. My ride to work is around ten miles each way and is a nice commute with the assist. It would be impossible without. Not so much the physical aspect, though that is significant, but I would never be able to fit in the time of commuting on a regular bike.

I agree with the idea of renting one for a week to test drive the idea. I got an ebike because my work had a program of lending me an bike for six months to commute with. So I got the bug and couldn’t stop when I had to turn it back in.

I'm basically of the mind that the e-bike is the perfect mode of transportation.  It needs to take over the world. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 04, 2019, 10:17:53 PM
I miss this thread! I went and had a baby so no biking to work for me for a while, and no biking at all in the short term. My poor ebike is left abandoned in the garden.

I agree with @katscratch: I LOVE my ebike. I am so-so about regular biking by that extra assist is just plain fun. My ride to work is around ten miles each way and is a nice commute with the assist. It would be impossible without. Not so much the physical aspect, though that is significant, but I would never be able to fit in the time of commuting on a regular bike.

I agree with the idea of renting one for a week to test drive the idea. I got an ebike because my work had a program of lending me an bike for six months to commute with. So I got the bug and couldn’t stop when I had to turn it back in.

I'm basically of the mind that the e-bike is the perfect mode of transportation.  It needs to take over the world.
No disagreement from me. I can’t stand minivans but I do look with some lust upon the ebike version of minivans with the bench on the back where you can seat two kids, one in front of the other.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 05, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
I miss this thread! I went and had a baby so no biking to work for me for a while, and no biking at all in the short term. My poor ebike is left abandoned in the garden.

I agree with @katscratch: I LOVE my ebike. I am so-so about regular biking by that extra assist is just plain fun. My ride to work is around ten miles each way and is a nice commute with the assist. It would be impossible without. Not so much the physical aspect, though that is significant, but I would never be able to fit in the time of commuting on a regular bike.

I agree with the idea of renting one for a week to test drive the idea. I got an ebike because my work had a program of lending me an bike for six months to commute with. So I got the bug and couldn’t stop when I had to turn it back in.

I'm basically of the mind that the e-bike is the perfect mode of transportation.  It needs to take over the world.
No disagreement from me. I can’t stand minivans but I do look with some lust upon the ebike version of minivans with the bench on the back where you can seat two kids, one in front of the other.

This. So much this. Except my kids are basically adult sized now. The plan is to get them ebikes of their own if they so much as whisper about pedal biking being too difficult. With graduated licensing they can't drive alone until they're 17 anyway. I don't want to be their chauffeur for that long.

My kids biked to school for the first time today! The route is 7km and goes down busy streets, a highway overpass and a couple trails. I rode with them this morning, but they're on their own this afternoon. Fingers crossed they get home safely, don't get lost and stay together.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 05, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
No disagreement from me. I can’t stand minivans but I do look with some lust upon the ebike version of minivans with the bench on the back where you can seat two kids, one in front of the other.
I don't even have kids and I want a longtail bike (I'd probably find a way to give a ride to a niece or nephew occasionally). There's a Yuba Boda Boda parked in the bike parking at my work regularly. I have yet to see the rider. I see other longtails out and about sometimes. I caught a glimpse of a local dad dad who rode a Yuba Mundo with three kids at a Bike Fest a few years ago.

Don't forget the front loaded box bikes - I think they make an even better minivan replacement.

Kids have grown, so not much recent content (last two posts are just about how they picked up their Christmas tree by bike again - 8 years running now), but Hum of the City (https://humofthecity.com/about/) had great blog content about biking with kids in SF for a few years. Dorie wrote reviews (https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&q=%22We+Tried+It%22+site%3Ahumofthecity.com&oq=%22We+Tried+It%22+site%3Ahumofthecity.com) of all the bikes they had an opportunity to try while they lived car free with two kids.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on September 05, 2019, 02:43:51 PM
Mine's an Xtracycle and hauls my dog quite often :)  If I'm going multi-modal w/bus or train I'll take my regular bike but it takes a half hour longer than riding the e-assist cargo bike.

Cargo bikes multiplied in our bike cage at work this summer; on most days there are three or four.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on September 05, 2019, 06:17:06 PM
When ebikes started showing up around Sydney, I was pretty internal snarky ["just ride a normal bike!"] but it is one of the things that has helped normalise cycling as another regular mode of transport instead of being the province of MAMILs and couriers. It has been such a net gain in terms of my own safety to have more people riding on the road and more of those people being seen as regular normal people with some kids and some groceries that I just smile whenever I see one now.

A friend has one in Wellington (the city that made me quit riding for a decade) and loves it so now I can see an ebike in my future, when I am older and the hills are steeper. Currently I am leaning towards the Brompton ebike (removable battery! still foldable!) but I am sure design and battery life will continue improving so who knows what they will look like in 5 or 10 years time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on September 05, 2019, 07:00:54 PM

I think the best way to piss off a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them on an E-bike up a hill (speaking tongue-in-cheek as one of those lycra riders).


I think the best way to piss of a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them uphill on a cargo bike with 60+lbs of kids... to be fair he was probably at the end of 50km+ ride and we were just starting... *not me my husband though can do this*

And we have a longtail extracycle and it is the bomb for grocery shopping with kids, dropping kids off at preschool/daycare/zoo trips whatever... but if I were to do it again I would get a longtail e-bike. My kids are now 1, 3 and 6 (the 6 year old can ride on her own, but not on busy streets, and it's soooo much slower then when we have her on our bike - so she gets a lift alot!)... and at 25lbs, 30lbs and 50lbs.... they are heavy. They have taken to cheering me up hills because if I don't get up they know they have to get off and walk lol. We are quite the spectacle!


And in other news my maternity leave is at an end, I start biking to/from work again on Monday. It's been a long 16 months away from work (sorry americans, I hope your country catches up someday soon!).  The HR guy will have a bike cage key ready for the first day of work, but he still sent me a parking form lol! I live a short 2 miles jaunt, but with the occasional kid drop off and pickup it could be more like a 10 mile roundtrip some days. Here's to 100% bike commuting again :)

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on September 08, 2019, 04:30:05 AM
I've been very surprised that the only judgy comments I get about my e-assist are from women, except for precisely one young fixie rider online ;) In person though it's been all women! On different styles of bikes. Even more surprisingly to me, the "group" of cyclists that I get the most positive commentary and questions from are men in full kit on training rides while we're at stoplights.

It always makes me ruminate on why - is it because "men" subconsciously see their bikes as a tool and "women" as a value signal? I'm often loaded with some random heavy thing or my dog, so maybe it's also part of the "that's not safe" reaction a lot of cargo bike parents get? I don't know. I do know that my bike is the best cheat code ever and I ride my "regular" bike even more because of it!

@Kmp2 welcome back to the commuting ranks! Your posts in the past cycling threads were definitely an influence on my decision to give up my car and make a go year-round with the cargo bike :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on September 08, 2019, 10:40:29 AM

I think the best way to piss off a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them on an E-bike up a hill (speaking tongue-in-cheek as one of those lycra riders).


I think the best way to piss of a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them uphill on a cargo bike with 60+lbs of kids...
Let's not generalize a group of cyclists. I wear lycra on the weekends and hot days. e-Bikes and their riders aren't an irritant at all. I've been passed up while going uphill by a number of things, but don't bear them any ill will.

I love my road bike, but understand that the same choice isn't optimal for everyone. Seeing more cyclists riding on the streets is always a positive sign.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 08, 2019, 09:49:40 PM

I think the best way to piss off a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them on an E-bike up a hill (speaking tongue-in-cheek as one of those lycra riders).


I think the best way to piss of a lycra-clad biker is to zoom past them uphill on a cargo bike with 60+lbs of kids...
Let's not generalize a group of cyclists. I wear lycra on the weekends and hot days. e-Bikes and their riders aren't an irritant at all. I've been passed up while going uphill by a number of things, but don't bear them any ill will.

I love my road bike, but understand that the same choice isn't optimal for everyone. Seeing more cyclists riding on the streets is always a positive sign.

No intention to generalize negatively, I'm a fan of e-bike riders. But my experience is always uncanny for a few moments when I get blown away by someone who looks like they aren't even trying (at least to the same extent I am), until I make the connection that they are not using the same mode of locomotion as I am (despite most outward appearances).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 09, 2019, 07:39:39 AM
I was on a large group ride and saw something very strange happening.  There were quite a few steep hills at the start, followed by some long flat sections.  Three guys would break away from the main group going up every hill . . . like just effortlessly crushing everyone else.  Then we would all catch up and quickly pass them on the flats.  Didn't make any sense to me at the time.

I later figured they must have been on ebikes.  The ebike assist is limited to 32 kph.  So they get the max assist climbing and go up the hills like superheroes, but couldn't hang with a group going 45 on the flats and immediately get dropped.  :P

But yeah, I agree with hadabeardonce.  It's a little odd until you realize that the person is on a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 09, 2019, 10:01:30 AM
I expected to get the stink eye from the real road bikers when I was commuting on my ebike. I was pleasantly surprised though at the positive feedback I got from those who did talk to me. I’d like to think we are all in together on this and the more of us there are on the road, the better it is for everyone.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on September 10, 2019, 08:40:10 AM
Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?

If so, what gear do you recommend?

Ended up driving to the gym this morning because we were in the middle of a thunder storm, but trying to stick to biking as much as possible for all local trips.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on September 10, 2019, 08:46:10 AM
Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?
I usually do but try to gauge how severe it seems before purposely going out in a thunderstorm.

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If so, what gear do you recommend?
Same as you would wear in the rain with no thunder/lightning.
No long metal rods.

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Ended up driving to the gym this morning because we were in the middle of a thunder storm, but trying to stick to biking as much as possible for all local trips.
That's reasonable.
There was only one thunderstorm that I rode through where I felt unsafe but that was a nasty one with high winds and large branches falling around me lol.

I am in central NJ so thunderstorms aren't too bad here compared to what I've seen in other states.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on September 10, 2019, 08:53:12 AM

@Kmp2 welcome back to the commuting ranks! Your posts in the past cycling threads were definitely an influence on my decision to give up my car and make a go year-round with the cargo bike :)

This makes me so happy! We have not given up a car yet, but our second car is a 2004 civic that is super cheap to keep around for the amount we drive it and it refuses to die!

I am surprised that it's women that make comments - I always tell e-bikers that I'm jealous, and that my n+1 will definitely be an e-bike :)

There is a lot of evidence showing that e-bikes generally end up being more exercise for normal people (read non roadie/mountain bikers) because they lower the barriers to getting out and allow you to go further - both of which increase your total exercise.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on September 10, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?

If so, what gear do you recommend?

Ended up driving to the gym this morning because we were in the middle of a thunder storm, but trying to stick to biking as much as possible for all local trips.

I have, I usually get caught out in them, I wouldn't purposely go out into one. Ours are usually over fairly quickly so you can wait it out.  If it's really bad I seek shelter on someone's porch, a coffee shop, a bus shelter etc... it's the buffeting wind that can blow you a few feet sideways that's sketchy when you are riding in traffic, and also low visibility for drivers doesn't help either. So those conditions might dictate I stop and wait it out - depends on the roads I'm on and how close to where I'm going!

I wear whatever rain gear I have. But not a lot will hold up against a drenching downpour.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 10, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?

If so, what gear do you recommend?

Ended up driving to the gym this morning because we were in the middle of a thunder storm, but trying to stick to biking as much as possible for all local trips.

I ride in the rain all the time.

Most important gear is a bright rear and front light.  Next would be fenders for your bike.  Next would be a bright fluorescent coloured jacket.  Waterproof is nice, but the odds are you're going to get wet cycling in the rain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 10, 2019, 12:19:38 PM
There is a lot of evidence showing that e-bikes generally end up being more exercise for normal people (read non roadie/mountain bikers) because they lower the barriers to getting out and allow you to go further - both of which increase your total exercise.

This is the other reason I wholeheartedly welcome ebikes (plus the reduction in pollution, traffic, etc.). So if ebikes lead to the revolution where the majority of people begin to embrace commute by at-least-partially human powered machine, I will consider their adoption a boon for mankind.

Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?

This is tangentially related to my previous comment: I find the concept of baby steps to be extremely helpful in improving my life. So I am a fair-weather biker who would probably take the bus at the hint of strong thunderstorms, but at the same time the more I ride, the less I am sweating the small stuff (like thunderstorms). I imagine with enough experience, at some point a thunderstorm wouldn't even affect my biking plans.

So I won't judge if you choose to drive the car through the thunderstorms. The chances are good that as long as you keep regularly biking, at some point you will chuckle at a future thunderstorm rolling in while you fling your leg over the saddle and slam down on the pedal to zoom off into the electrically charged darkness ahead.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on September 10, 2019, 03:19:15 PM
Thanks all!! I do ride my bike when it's raining, but might take it easy on myself for now when it's actually pouring (which is the current weather forecast for the next two days - thunder storms for the next 48 hours. ugh. hoping i'll be able to wait it out for breaks in the storms so that i can still bike around but we will see.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on September 10, 2019, 05:15:11 PM
Question

Do you all ride during thunder storms?

If so, what gear do you recommend?

Ended up driving to the gym this morning because we were in the middle of a thunder storm, but trying to stick to biking as much as possible for all local trips.

I ride in the rain all the time.

Most important gear is a bright rear and front light.  Next would be fenders for your bike.  Next would be a bright fluorescent coloured jacket.  Waterproof is nice, but the odds are you're going to get wet cycling in the rain.

I ride in rainstorms, snowstorms, you name it. I check windy.com (http://windy.com) to see how the storm is moving. It's been the best visualization tool that I've found.

I second all of GuitarStv's suggestions: lights, fenders, bright jacket. I'll add:
- Safety glasses for clear sight in rain/wind  |  ski goggles for clear sight in snow, it prevents the dreaded foggy lenses
- I really appreciate my waterproof jacket
- If it's a warm rain, I'll try to maximize showing skin. Fabric takes a while to dry but skin you can generally wipe right off.
- If it's cold, I'll wear my waterproof pants and I'm comfortable the whole commute (~6mi)
- Bag cover if I have my backpack. I like the mesh pocket on this one: https://www.amazon.com/Salzmann-Reflective-Visibility-Waterproof-Weatherproof/dp/B07L297H1B/ref=sr_1_4?crid=I7BR1P89JP6L&keywords=salzmann+3m+reflective+backpack+cover&qid=1568157073&s=gateway&sprefix=salzmann+3M+reflective%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Salzmann-Reflective-Visibility-Waterproof-Weatherproof/dp/B07L297H1B/ref=sr_1_4?crid=I7BR1P89JP6L&keywords=salzmann+3m+reflective+backpack+cover&qid=1568157073&s=gateway&sprefix=salzmann+3M+reflective%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-4)

Happy riding!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 10, 2019, 06:54:23 PM
I'll ride in any kind of rain, even heavy rain. However, I don't ride in lightning because I don't want to risk getting zapped. I also don't ride in wind above about 70km/hr because I find it hard to stay upright at that speed and don't want to get run over. Gusting wind can be especially tricky because the gusts can feel like someone's just randomly tried to push you over.

Otherwise, pretty much all weather is fair game. Note that it rarely snows where I live.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on September 11, 2019, 07:56:25 AM
I am definitely going to be investing in some of the gear that you guys are posting here, especially good waterproof jackets, pants, and a bag cover.

I rode into work this morning. Weather forecast yesterday said it would be storming, but it's not yet... Now it's been moved down to later this evening and it says isolated storms at 5 when I leave work. Hopefully the forecast is wrong about that too but if not, I'll be riding home in a potential downpour. That's okay, I'll get home and change into something dry. My other option was to take the bus, but I didn't feel like spending the money (lol). But that bag cover does have me thinking about my unprotected laptop in my backpack - I didn't think about that. I have an extra sweater so I'll probably wrap it up in that if it's really bad out, and it should survive the 15 minute ride home.

I'm in Wisconsin so it'll start snowing in a few months, and then it'll get really bad by January/February. I'm going to try to continue to ride in the snow (I'll get some studded tires OR if I've been able to save up enough money, I'll get a nicer bike with studded tires, fatter tires, and disc brakes. We'll see if my budget allows it, but I already have the potential bike picked out).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 11, 2019, 08:15:55 AM
As far as rain predictions go, I've found that you can't trust weather reports at all.  I look at the weather radar a couple hours before I go to work and a couple hours before I leave to get an idea if it'll rain on me.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 11, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
After my haughty reply about being a fair-weather biker yesterday, Thor decided to treat me to some lightning bolts and heavy rain this morning. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting, lasted about 20 minutes at the beginning of the ride, and was dry by the time I arrived at work.

One more box to check on things not to worry about while biking: summer thunderstorms.

(Granted, this was western N.A. rain and lightning, which is a different breed than the eastern kind. I rode in plenty of actually scary thunderstorms growing up in South FL, and would prefer not to if it could be avoided (and it usually could by waiting half an hour).)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 11, 2019, 09:24:26 AM
For people afraid of lightning strikes . . . do you guys live in extremely flat areas with no trees or buildings?  I'd expect that a lightning strike of a person on a bike is vanishingly small in typical cities.  There are buildings and trees everywhere that will guide lightning much more easily than your puny bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 11, 2019, 09:34:51 AM
I would agree that a lightning strike on your bike is vanishingly small... unless one is in the midst of a strong thunderstorm. Then the probability shifts from vanishingly small to very small, which when combined with the hazard severity of 'death', may not lead to a wise risk (depending on your level of risk tolerance).

It's similar to the risk of swimming in the ocean, when there's a dorsal fin cutting a wake just offshore.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 11, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
I normally avoid riding when wet (most years this probably equates to about 40 days commuting by bus from November to March where I live). The time I was caught in a thunderstorm on my way home. I got pretty soaked nearly instantly then sheltered in a freeway underpass until the downpour passed (not more than 15 minutes).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on September 11, 2019, 10:59:02 AM
What do you all do to prevent rusting of your chair and cassette after riding in the rain. 
I just had to have my cassette replaced by the LBS, due to the rain over the summer and rusting.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on September 11, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
What do you all do to prevent rusting of your chair and cassette after riding in the rain. 
I just had to have my cassette replaced by the LBS, due to the rain over the summer and rusting.

I wipe my chain dry with a towel after riding in the rain. I don't do anything to the cassette.

I do need to get better at cleaning and lubricating the chain after rain though.
Seems to get gritty, likely because most of my commute is on a dirt trail.

Another thing that's been driving me crazy is my seat post. I feel like I have to grease the thing once a week to stop it from creaking.
After it rains, it's even worse. I've been using automotive grease. Maybe I need to look into something else...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 11, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
Bounce your bike a few times to knock most of the water off it, then wipe the chain off with a rag and re-lube it . . . rain is pretty mild as far as bike destroying potential goes.  Salt and grit when riding around in the winter on the other hand . . .    :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on September 11, 2019, 01:40:24 PM
Do you guys use different lubes for summer months vs winter months?  And for those of us that have 4 seasons, when do you make the transition?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on September 11, 2019, 01:56:06 PM
My chain gets lubed but twice a year, when my studded tires go on a winter lube, when my studded tires come off a summer lube... PS full chain guards are awesome... but between the chain guard, IGH, fenders, rack, dynamo lighting changing a tire is not a beside the road job!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on September 11, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
I not even know there was a winter or summer lube. I just use finish line dry lube with Teflon fluoripolymer.

It’s the one in the black container with the red sticker and cap.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on September 11, 2019, 11:59:51 PM
Muc-Off makes a wet lube and a dry lube. I try to be good about applying it every few weeks, but it's more important to do in the rain. Bike washes get rid of a lot of grime that collects, which is especially key to remove from braking surfaces.

I'd also recommend applying waterproof grease to your headset and bottom bracket. Anti-seize on the seat tube. The wrong grease may get all over your bike when wet, making a slippery mess which could find its way to brake pads.

I prefer riding in the rain to driving in the rain. Windshields and windows really obscure vision way more than a cycling cap. Last year was my first year really committing to all-weather bicycle commuting. It's been so long since it rained in the California that I can't remember how I did it =P

During 2019 I've biked 147 of 153 work days. It'll be 148/155 on Friday... I need to pick up kids from the airport during the middle of the day.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on September 12, 2019, 09:46:29 AM
I broke down and bought a fairly expensive pair of rain pants.  I managed last year with cheapo gear, but after getting soaked a couple of times I sprung for an actual waterproof jacket/shell, which turned out to be a big improvement.  Decided it would be nice to have pants that I can slip over my work pants and reduce the amount of time gearing up/down (and drying myself) on those wet days. 

I also got a rain cover for the bike.  I have to park outside at work, and leaving the e-bike in the rain for extended periods isn't recommended.  Instead of fiddling with covering individual electric components (plus the seat, rear bag, panniers), I realized that it would be easier just to cover up the whole darn thing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: imadandylion on September 12, 2019, 08:52:05 PM
First day of fall is coming up soon and it's gotten dramatically darker at 6 in the morning in the last week or so. :( I whipped out the flash light for the front of the bike but have found that the blinking light I got for the back of my back back in the spring doesn't stay on. I think it's broken or something. It turns on and even flashes, but it turns off after a minute, or when I'm not looking. I've gone to work in the dark and by the time i get there, I go to turn it off and find it's not even on. Grrr.  Hopefully i can complain to the bike shop and exchange it because I literally only started needing to turn it on it last week!

It's also a bit chilly for me at around mid to low 60 degrees F, but when I tried wearing a jacket I got sweaty. Maybe because it was a rain jacket, but it was advertised to be 'breathable.' Not really sure what I'm supposed to do here to be kind of comfortable, but not too warm.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on September 13, 2019, 08:42:34 AM

It's also a bit chilly for me at around mid to low 60 degrees F, but when I tried wearing a jacket I got sweaty. Maybe because it was a rain jacket, but it was advertised to be 'breathable.' Not really sure what I'm supposed to do here to be kind of comfortable, but not too warm.

We're all different, of course, but for me it's something like this for my ride to work, where I don't want to get sweaty but also don't want to freeze (e-bike, so less effort and more speed/wind chill).  I'm always wearing long work pants for that ride.

>70 annoyingly warm, but very rare where I live at 5:45 in the morning
65-70 short sleeves preferred but ok in long sleeves if it's dark out
60-65 long sleeves
55-59 switch to thin, full-fingered gloves
50-54 add balaclava, windbreaker
45-49 thicker gloves, add a layer over pants
40-44 inner jacket under windbreaker
35-39 very rare where I live...not sure if I'm doing anything different than 40-44. 

Rain changes the equation a bit; still figuring out the best configurations, but my new rain shell pants will probably be worn frequently this coming winter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 13, 2019, 10:34:01 AM
It's also a bit chilly for me at around mid to low 60 degrees F, but when I tried wearing a jacket I got sweaty. Maybe because it was a rain jacket, but it was advertised to be 'breathable.' Not really sure what I'm supposed to do here to be kind of comfortable, but not too warm.

My experience (and I understand everyone is different) is that the low 60's feel cold when I start riding, but I'm plenty warm after the first fifteen minutes with my summer gear on. This was the case earlier this week when I was drenched on the way to work. (Not really sure if this is a suggestion, other than to maybe try riding without a jacket at those temps if you haven't before and see if the discomfort is temporary.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 13, 2019, 11:34:05 AM
It's also a bit chilly for me at around mid to low 60 degrees F, but when I tried wearing a jacket I got sweaty. Maybe because it was a rain jacket, but it was advertised to be 'breathable.' Not really sure what I'm supposed to do here to be kind of comfortable, but not too warm.

My experience (and I understand everyone is different) is that the low 60's feel cold when I start riding, but I'm plenty warm after the first fifteen minutes with my summer gear on. This was the case earlier this week when I was drenched on the way to work. (Not really sure if this is a suggestion, other than to maybe try riding without a jacket at those temps if you haven't before and see if the discomfort is temporary.)

Good to note though that you should always take an extra piece of clothing . . . just in case you've misjudged the temperatures.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on September 13, 2019, 06:47:17 PM
That happened to me on my way to work this morning. It was 59F (15C) and I wore a light windbreaker/track warmup.

I was comfortable for the first 15 minutes or so then started sweating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on September 16, 2019, 07:10:23 AM
so we took the ebike for a spin from the local bike sharing (https://bcycle.com) service yesterday, and while she was initially pretty skeptical (but was still a good sport about trying it out) my wife is now 100% sold on getting an ebike.

We have a few good friends that live in our neighborhood and as a group we've been biking a lot all summer, and I keep talking about the two of us biking to work together. She admitted that she gets mad whenever we decide to bike somewhere because it's miserable for her, but none of us realized it was this bad because she puts on a good face about it. Anyways, she's now super excited about an ebike and even said "if this is what biking normally feels like for the rest of you guys I can see why you're so excited to bike everywhere all the time!"

We did some research over the weekend and unfortunately there aren't many bike shops that either specialize in ebikes or have a particularly good selection of them. She's super short (5 foot or maybe slightly under) so she doesn't want to buy anything without taking a test ride first, which eliminates most online sellers. So, we landed on one from Costco, of all places. It's nothing special, but i's a good price ($1500) and has most of what she's looking for (pedal assist, reasonable range) and we confirmed that it comes with Costco's full "no questions asked" return policy, so if it doesn't work out we can return it and find something else that's suitable. She's now super impatient for it to arrive as it takes a couple weeks to ship.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on September 16, 2019, 07:26:43 AM
So I thought I was too good to use my checklist this morning, got all the way to work, then realized that I left my laptop at home.

So I changed back into my gym clothes, took the shorter (and sketchy) way home, got the laptop, then took the short way back, took shower #2, changed again...

I could have just worked from home today but wanted to be in the office to help a coworker with her math homework.

...which I later found out she left at home.

Happy Monday everyone lol
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 21, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
I did my first bike ride since giving birth last week and also picked up my kid at school with the bike trailer yesterday. It felt great, like getting back a part of me that had been missing for a while. Too bad the kid had complaints about the mode of transportation, but she’ll get used to it in time. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: darkadams00 on September 24, 2019, 07:18:30 PM
Popped that one out already spouting ABC’s, I see. And with a side of complainypants to boot. Best of luck with a prodigy.  ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 25, 2019, 01:19:06 AM
We had better luck yesterday. She said she didn’t tent me to pick her up by bike but somehow dropping her off in the morning is perfectly fine and even something she decided she wants. So I dropped her off in the morning by bike. That works even better for me because it is still cool in the morning and we are suffering through a hot spell at the moment.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 25, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
I did my first bike ride since giving birth last week and also picked up my kid at school with the bike trailer yesterday. It felt great, like getting back a part of me that had been missing for a while. Too bad the kid had complaints about the mode of transportation, but she’ll get used to it in time. :)

Just ask her if she'd rather walk all the way home ;-)

My own Spawn are now semi-regularly riding their bikes to school. They also need panniers to carry their various laptops and musical instruments. I need to find some kind of bulk rate on panniers and lights.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on September 25, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
Can I jump in here and get some advice about biking to work in the winter? (Sorry, I did not read all 20 past pages :-). )

I have been biking through the nice seasons and want to know what I can do to get ready for winter biking. Some parameters:

-I have a car, so I don't need to spend a bunch of money on things that would only be necessary in dreadful weather. I can drive in dreadful weather.
-My bike is a hybrid.
-My commute is about 3 miles with some hills which takes me about 20 minutes because I'm a slow-ass biker. (I can squat my body weight! Repeatedly! So I don't think it's my leg strength. But people just blow right by me.)
-My route is some street biking (on streets designated as bike routes but with no bike lanes), some bike lanes on the road, and a stretch of poorly maintained paved trail.
-I live in Denver so I can expect icy conditions not infrequently.

I'm concerned about getting home safely in the dark, staying upright over patches of snow and ice (again, if it's really bad I'll drive, but Denver has a lot of beautiful days where yesterday's snow is still melting) and also about what to wear if it's too cold for leggings or chinos.

Help!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: darkadams00 on September 25, 2019, 07:40:21 PM
Dark - Rechargeable LED lights. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive.
Cold - Use layers and take temp/clothing notes. After a few weeks of notes, you’ll know what to wear at any temp and avoid sweating or freezing—significant clothing difference between 10 and 30 degrees, but both can produce winter precip. I wear cycling tights down to 0 degrees and just start to feel a bit cool in my legs after 30 mins. It doesn’t get colder here, and layers work fine for upper body.
Tires - Winter snow/slush, go wider w/ some grip. Potential ice, drive the car or use studded tires.I drive for ice because we don’t get enough to warrant studded tires.
Speed - Your enemy if streets aren’t clear. You don’t need a 20 min ride to be quicker.

20 mins is not much time. You won’t sweat or freeze too badly if you didn’t quite get the layers right the first time. Work on riding with lights and dealing with the cold before you tackle snow in the dark at 0 degrees. No sense in piling on.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 26, 2019, 06:48:27 AM
I don't have too much winter riding advice though I've ridden in the cold and snow up to a couple miles. I would suggest avoiding riding in the snow altogether unless you are into action and adventure (to include freezing your face off during winter slush events, not being able to demarcate where you should be riding if streets haven't been plowed, slipping and sliding all over the place, etc.), but otherwise for shorter trips (such as your 3-mile commute) I was more than fine just using regular winter clothes (in a climate similar to Denver's). Lights in the dark are always important (and the law), of course.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 26, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
I regularly commute in the winter, about 11 or 12 miles each way.

For the winter it's safest to run at least two taillights (planet bike superflash turbos are great for this), one in blinking mode and one steady.  I've had taillights fail, and you don't want to be riding in the dark while invisible to cars.  You can use AAA rechargable batteries in them, and they last a long time.  I used to run a rechargable AA battery headlight, but they just don't make any that I think are bright enough for when it's really pitch black.  My preference is for a high lumen USB chargable headlight.  The Cygolite Metro 750 is a great choice.  You'll need to remember to charge it regularly though.

Clothing-wise - layers.  Get a very bright neon coloured windshell with some reflective accents.  Then you just add various layers beneath it depending on how cold it is.  I'm a fan of synthetic fleeces for sweat wicking and warmth.  Make sure there are zips for venting . . . because you'll get your clothing wrong from time to time and it'll help keep you from cooking.  Beneath that I like to have something sweat wicking and skin tight (underarmour type shirts).  I've got a couple pairs of heavy weight winter tights that I think were designed for skiing which work well on my legs.  Below freezing, you should cover your face with some kind of mask to avoid frostbite.  A thick pair of overgloves with a thin pair of gloves beneath that will keep your hands warm, and (taking off the big gloves) will allow you some dexterity for doing things in the cold like locking up.  Get footwear that is a size or two too big for you to make room for thick/heavy socks.  Thick wool socks (two pairs if you can swing it) will keep your feet warm through a lot of cold weather.  Tight shoes (no matter how warm) will reduce circulation and your toes will get frostbite, so make sure you try on your shoes/boots with the heavy socks you're going to be wearing.  A thin toque or headband is usually good on your head.  When it's really cold, taping over the vents in your bike helmet will keep your head much warmer.  ALWAYS wear glasses/goggles over your eyes in the cold . . . otherwise you'll be tearing up non-stop when you get going.

Tires-wise, it's very dependent upon where you're cycling.  I ride on the road, and they're very aggressive about salting here.  I'll often be riding through snow/slush but there's rarely any ice.  I like 28 mm tires with some grip for snow/slush.  They punch through to the ground beneath, and roll much better than wise mountain bike type tires.  You need some grip though, because loose snow is too slippery otherwise.  If you live somewhere that there's lots of ice, it's probably worth getting studded bike tires - just be aware that they are extremely slow whenever you're not cycling on ice.

Most important is to be flexible in the winter.  There have been times when I got out on the roads before the plows on certain streets and I've had to shoulder my bike because it was too slippery to ride.  Know your route (some areas will reliably be slippery or are places that ice builds up - it's good to know where these are).  Reduce your speed when going down hills.  Stop early for stop signs and lights.  Change lanes early.  Take the lane when you need to.  Be very careful using your front brake or turning your handlebars if you're on loose/slippery stuff - it is easy to wipe out (I'd recommend that you spend a couple snowy weekends playing in a parking lot to get a feel for how your bike handles in snow and on ice - you don't want to learn this in the middle of the road).  If the weather is really bad (like freezing rain) leave the bike at home . . . that type of weather doesn't happen often enough to be worth risking your life.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 26, 2019, 09:42:07 AM
My nighttime riding has been limited to paved city streets. Street lighting is generally good enough for way finding (if you know the streets - not easy to read street name signs), so my lighting is more about being seen than seeing my path. I prefer lights with AA/AAA replaceable batteries over rechargeable lights. The rechargeable headlights do have the advantage of being available in brighter lights (2 AA batteries driving LED lights top out near 150 lumens, but lithium rechargeable batteries can output more power). Rather than stocking disposable alkaline batteries, I use NiMH rechargeable. I've had issues with various cheap rear blinking lights (lights would cut out with bumps). I recently picked up a Planet Bike Blaze 140 SL/Superflash Turbo combo set from REI's outlet (https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/169700/planet-bike-blaze-140-sl-superflash-turbo-light-combo-set) for about $40 and so far I'm pretty happy with them. I like the Planet Bike Blaze mounting clip better than the Nightrider Mako mounting clip I previously used.

If you do want brighter lights than AA batteries can provide, consider a light that uses standard 18650 size replaceable lithium ion batteries such as the Fenix BC21R (https://www.bikelightdatabase.com/fenix/bc21r/).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 26, 2019, 10:53:18 AM

I'm concerned about getting home safely in the dark, staying upright over patches of snow and ice (again, if it's really bad I'll drive, but Denver has a lot of beautiful days where yesterday's snow is still melting) and also about what to wear if it's too cold for leggings or chinos.

Welcome!

Lights - I like to use 2 white LED's with USB recharging ports on the front. One is super bright and allows me to see on dark roads/trails. The other is less bright (and was much cheaper) and is the backup for when the other one dies. I started using two lights because the LEDS die all of a sudden and I never want to be that person biking in the dark. It's often also raining here in the winter so drivers have terrible vision from their cars. I also use 2 red blinking lights on the back and wear a bright yellow cycling jacket. One of those yellow construction vests is also a good option and can be layered over jackets you already own.

Ice - The most important thing is to slow down. If you come across a really icy patch you can always get off and walk. Otherwise it's similar to driving, where you need to remember that rolling wheels have better control than wheels that have locked up. Biking is slightly trickier because when you slide your back wheel tends to slide sideways out from under you. Just go slow and do your best to stay upright. Don't run your tires at the highest pressure if you want better grip. Let a little air out.

Speed - If you've been weight training your quads are probably really strong. This tends to encourage new riders to ride at too high of a gear at a low cadence (aka grinding). Try riding in an easier gear at a higher cadence (aka spin to win). Doing this should give you more speed and endurance without requiring any fitness changes. Also, when you're approaching an uphill section, gear down before you really need to. Try to keep your cadence high for as long as possible going up the hill.

Clothes - Some of my ski gear doubles as biking gear. If it's actively snowing I put my ski goggles on. When it drops below freezing (or close to) I wear a light Buff face mask. I also looove my fleece lined tights. Costco often carries them in the fall and the newer high rise tight styles are fantastic for biking. You'll also want gloves. I sometimes layer lighter gloves underneath heavier windproof ones. You're also going to want fenders.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 26, 2019, 04:59:58 PM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: The 585 on September 26, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
I'm about to transition from a job where my typical bike commute is 8.5 miles one way, to only ~2.5 miles one way MAX. I'm used to having to change into my work clothes at work which can be very time consuming and annoying. But for those of you who have shorter commutes, how do you successfully bike in work clothes? I'm mainly worried about sweat and getting chain grease on my pants.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on September 26, 2019, 06:10:58 PM
I'm about to transition from a job where my typical bike commute is 8.5 miles one way, to only ~2.5 miles one way MAX. I'm used to having to change into my work clothes at work which can be very time consuming and annoying. But for those of you who have shorter commutes, how do you successfully bike in work clothes? I'm mainly worried about sweat and getting chain grease on my pants.

Hi there, I cycle 7km each way in Sydney heat and humidity.
- Tightroll your pant leg on the chain side.
- Regularly clean your chain.
- Ride in a tee-shirt and change into your workshirt at work (very common here)
- Wear natural fibers that breathe more.
- Ride a little slower than you used to. It doesn't have to be a race so just enjoy the ride and be less sweaty.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 27, 2019, 05:24:43 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

An ebike is not a motorcycle.  It's allowed to be used on bike and multi-use paths and therefore designed to move at much slower speeds.  As far as I'm aware, all ebikes in North America are sold with limiters for this reason, and it's usually illegal to modify them to remove the limiters.  If you want to go faster on an ebike than the electric motor allows, you can do this by using the pedals and your legs.  If you want to go faster than that, it's probably best to get your license and a motorcycle - because that's what you're really using the ebike as.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Weisass on September 27, 2019, 08:25:35 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

An ebike is not a motorcycle.  It's allowed to be used on bike and multi-use paths and therefore designed to move at much slower speeds.  As far as I'm aware, all ebikes in North America are sold with limiters for this reason, and it's usually illegal to modify them to remove the limiters.  If you want to go faster on an ebike than the electric motor allows, you can do this by using the pedals and your legs.  If you want to go faster than that, it's probably best to get your license and a motorcycle - because that's what you're really using the ebike as.

+1. My ebike can hit 30 mph while pedaling on the highest setting *as long as I am working too.* over reliance on a thumb throttle will burn out your motor, and there is no good reason I can think of to go faster on my bike. Ride safe!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on September 27, 2019, 08:26:15 AM
So I've bumped up my biweekly one-way 20-mile commute to weekly, and today I plan to do a roundtrip for the first time (40 miles total). Progress!

Question for the non-newbies: So I've gotten a lot of road bike gear recently, but have been holding off on a road bike helmet and shoes (have been using my mountain bike apparel). I would like to buy such items, but have been holding off for what I assume will be some type of winter sale. Do such sales exist and around when can I expect them? Do you have a preferred store from which you purchase bike-related items?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on September 27, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

An ebike is not a motorcycle.  It's allowed to be used on bike and multi-use paths and therefore designed to move at much slower speeds.  As far as I'm aware, all ebikes in North America are sold with limiters for this reason, and it's usually illegal to modify them to remove the limiters.  If you want to go faster on an ebike than the electric motor allows, you can do this by using the pedals and your legs.  If you want to go faster than that, it's probably best to get your license and a motorcycle - because that's what you're really using the ebike as.

+1. My ebike can hit 30 mph while pedaling on the highest setting *as long as I am working too.* over reliance on a thumb throttle will burn out your motor, and there is no good reason I can think of to go faster on my bike. Ride safe!
I should specify that I want to bypass the limiter so that I can get up to speeds approaching but not even attaining the max speed permissible by law in my state. I want to be able to achieve the same speeds that the road bikers decked out in spandex regularly ride at. I am not looking to turn my bike into a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 27, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

An ebike is not a motorcycle.  It's allowed to be used on bike and multi-use paths and therefore designed to move at much slower speeds.  As far as I'm aware, all ebikes in North America are sold with limiters for this reason, and it's usually illegal to modify them to remove the limiters.  If you want to go faster on an ebike than the electric motor allows, you can do this by using the pedals and your legs.  If you want to go faster than that, it's probably best to get your license and a motorcycle - because that's what you're really using the ebike as.
In the US we have different classes of e-bikes. Class I and Class II are both limited to 20 mph (the difference is that Class II allows a throttle). Both Class I and II can be operated under the same rules as unassisted bicycles. Class III e-bikes are limited to 28 mph (20 mph under throttle only). California restricts use of Class III e-bikes on bike paths, requires riders be 16 years old or older, and requires riders to wear a helmet (generally adults 18 and older are not required to wear helmets in California). The Giant Explore E bike does not appear to be sold as a Class III bike, so it should be legal to modify it to Class III provided that it is relabeled and operated under Class III rules.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on September 27, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
I'm about to transition from a job where my typical bike commute is 8.5 miles one way, to only ~2.5 miles one way MAX. I'm used to having to change into my work clothes at work which can be very time consuming and annoying. But for those of you who have shorter commutes, how do you successfully bike in work clothes? I'm mainly worried about sweat and getting chain grease on my pants.

Hi there, I cycle 7km each way in Sydney heat and humidity.
- Tightroll your pant leg on the chain side.
- Regularly clean your chain.
- Ride in a tee-shirt and change into your workshirt at work (very common here)
- Wear natural fibers that breathe more.
- Ride a little slower than you used to. It doesn't have to be a race so just enjoy the ride and be less sweaty.
Good luck!

I have never had trouble with chain grease on my pant legs. I wear Old Navy Pixie pants, which fit close to the leg. Or I wear bike shorts under an a-line skirt. I occasionally change into long pants when I get to work, if it is too hot to bike in long pants and I need to be wearing them. (My job involves sitting on the floor sometimes.) I often change my shoes at work, too. I occasionally change my shirt as well, but honestly that is more for aesthetics, because a work top with bike shorts looks weird.

Thanks for all the advice about winter riding! I might do a construction vest because then it would also be good for biking at night in warm weather (I work past 8 once a week).

If I wanted to get wider tires for winter, how do I go about that?

I will keep an eye out for cycling tights BUT I am only 4'11" tall, so I have trouble finding specialized clothing in my size. Maybe eBay can help.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 27, 2019, 04:11:00 PM
If I wanted to get wider tires for winter, how do I go about that?
You start with figuring out the size of your current rims (usually by reading the size of your current tires). You will also want to know if your current set is tubeless or not.

If your tire is marked with ISO standard sizes with a (usually 2 digit) number indicating the width of the tire in millimeters, then a dash, then a (usually 3 digit) number indicating the rim bead diameter in millimeters. Only tires with the same rim bead diameter will fit on your rims; but a variety of widths will work just fine.

The last tires I purchased for my bike are 47-559 (26x1.75 in traditional mountain bike tire sizing). Most old mountain bikes have 559 mm rim bead diameter like mine. Most road bikes have had tires with 622 mm rim bead diameter for quite a while (traditionally called 700 C). Bikes with the same 622 mm rim bead diameter (but wider rims) are marketed as 29" mountain bikes. Some mountain bikes have also been marketed with 27.5" wheels; these have 584 mm rim bead diameter (same rim bead diameter as 650 B wheels - though again the rims tend to be wider). If your tires aren't marked with the ISO size and you're not sure they are one of these common sizes, visit Sheldon Brown's tire size page (https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.htmll) to figure it out. Note 26 x fractional number (less common) is not the same size as 26 x decimal number (more common).

When changing tire width, you want to be aware of your rim width - extremely wide tires on a narrow rim won't work safely; similarly narrow tires on a wide rim will also be prone to fail. Also be aware of how much clearance your current tire has so you don't go so much wider that your tire and other parts of your bike interfere with each other.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on September 27, 2019, 05:19:15 PM
So I've bumped up my biweekly one-way 20-mile commute to weekly, and today I plan to do a roundtrip for the first time (40 miles total). Progress!

Question for the non-newbies: So I've gotten a lot of road bike gear recently, but have been holding off on a road bike helmet and shoes (have been using my mountain bike apparel). I would like to buy such items, but have been holding off for what I assume will be some type of winter sale. Do such sales exist and around when can I expect them? Do you have a preferred store from which you purchase bike-related items?

Probably. However, there's actually no need to buy road specific pedals and shoes. I've done all kinds of road biking, including a half iron triathlon, using spd pedals and "mountain bike" shoes. As for the helmet, I just use a basic all purpose bike helmet. Unless you're riding in a full face helmet, whatever you've already got is probably fine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on September 27, 2019, 07:59:03 PM
I will keep an eye out for cycling tights BUT I am only 4'11" tall, so I have trouble finding specialized clothing in my size. Maybe eBay can help.

If there's some baggy bit at the bottom, often you can just tuck it under your socks - Belgian style:

(https://dbyvw4eroffpi.cloudfront.net/cms/960/960/specialized-s-works-7-road-cycling-shoes-leg-warmers-and-sock-length.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on September 28, 2019, 05:50:19 AM
I will keep an eye out for cycling tights BUT I am only 4'11" tall, so I have trouble finding specialized clothing in my size. Maybe eBay can help.

If there's some baggy bit at the bottom, often you can just tuck it under your socks - Belgian style:

(https://dbyvw4eroffpi.cloudfront.net/cms/960/960/specialized-s-works-7-road-cycling-shoes-leg-warmers-and-sock-length.jpg)
Or do what I do and buy 7/8 length leggings which are just the right length on my short legs
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Blackymeowmeow on October 07, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
Hi, new here. Got an E-bike this spring for $2000. Parked my car. Put on 1600 km so far, and lost 17 lbs. Just ordered some studded winter tires to see if it is possible to ride it all year, here in Canada. With any luck I'll be able to sell the car!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Zamboni on October 07, 2019, 06:40:47 PM
Posting to follow because I just bought a new house that has a much more bikable commute for me. I've already learned a ton just reading this last page!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: AccidentialMustache on October 07, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Hi, new here. Got an E-bike this spring for $2000. Parked my car. Put on 1600 km so far, and lost 17 lbs. Just ordered some studded winter tires to see if it is possible to ride it all year, here in Canada. With any luck I'll be able to sell the car!

Epic. And yet some people insist that e-bikes are cheating. All I see is "enabling".

@GuitarStv or anyone else -- suggestion for cycling glasses that go over normal glasses?

I won't be able to ride in the deep winter (sidewalks/bike paths aren't cleared (worse, actually, have snow piles because of plows) and I'm not taking the 9yo on his bike on snowy roads to school), but getting the tearing-and-chapped-eyelids fixed would extend my bike season some at least...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 08, 2019, 07:16:03 AM
I haven't found any glasses that fit over my reading glasses that really work for cycling.  Cycling with ski goggles doesn't work at all for me because the goggles get way too foggy at stop lights.  I get a pair of large clear glasses (overcast and pitch black riding) and a pair of prescription sunglasses (sunny) from zenni online . . . and choose frames that will give me good coverage on my face.  My prescription is very high, but it still comes to only about 70 - 80$ each and they're way more comfortable that futzing around with two pairs of glasses on your face.  Put some Croakies on the prescription sunglasses to keep 'em on your face properly and you'll be golden.

The side benefit of doing this is that you radically reduce the wear and tear on your regular glasses so they seem to last much longer without falling apart.
Title: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 08, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
I thought ski goggles shouldn’t fog up if they are decent quality and in good condition. Can you try a better pair?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 08, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
Yes. This. Something's not right with your goggles. I wear goggles all day long when I ski and they don't fog, even when I'm sitting on the lift. I suspect your fit may not be quite right.

I have the sun sensitive lens on my normal glasses. So when it's sunny they become sunglasses. I don't like them for other reasons, but presumably my eyes are always protected. I wear these glasses in the rain and just wipe them off with my gloves periodically when it's really raining. When it's raining really hard, water runs right into my eyes and it's like trying to see while underwater. Thankfully this doesn't happen often so I just ride slower rather than trying to find a gizmo to solve the problem.

When it's cold I wear my ski goggles. I'm on the southwest coast of BC, so it's rarely below freezing. Ski goggles have been fine, but are suboptimal when it's dark since my goggle lenses are tinted. If you need to ride in the dark, get goggles with untinted lenses.

Note that if you want to wear glasses underneath goggles you need to buy the goggles with the little cutouts on the side of the frame for the glasses arm. They're sold as "glasses compatible" goggles.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 08, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
I have no problems at all with fogging while wearing ski goggles skiing.  Cycling is a different story though.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 08, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Hi, new here. Got an E-bike this spring for $2000. Parked my car. Put on 1600 km so far, and lost 17 lbs. Just ordered some studded winter tires to see if it is possible to ride it all year, here in Canada. With any luck I'll be able to sell the car!

Hurray!

And Yes you can.... it was blizzardy out this morning. Luckily it was still warm enough to keep from icing up because haven't put my studded tires on yet. It's still forecasted to have a few more clear warmish weeks, at least after this snow  :)

4 weeks back at work, and I've only missed one day of bike commuting so far because the snow accumulation was >10cm... but by afternoon I definitely could've biked home. I find 10cm or more of wet snow on the roads/sidewalks to be slog... faster to walk or take the bus. Luckily it so rarely happens here, but when it does it's usually the spring or the fall.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wbarnett on October 09, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
Can I jump in here and get some advice about biking to work in the winter? (Sorry, I did not read all 20 past pages :-). )

I have been biking through the nice seasons and want to know what I can do to get ready for winter biking. Some parameters:

-I have a car, so I don't need to spend a bunch of money on things that would only be necessary in dreadful weather. I can drive in dreadful weather.
-My bike is a hybrid.
-My commute is about 3 miles with some hills which takes me about 20 minutes because I'm a slow-ass biker. (I can squat my body weight! Repeatedly! So I don't think it's my leg strength. But people just blow right by me.)
-My route is some street biking (on streets designated as bike routes but with no bike lanes), some bike lanes on the road, and a stretch of poorly maintained paved trail.
-I live in Denver so I can expect icy conditions not infrequently.

I'm concerned about getting home safely in the dark, staying upright over patches of snow and ice (again, if it's really bad I'll drive, but Denver has a lot of beautiful days where yesterday's snow is still melting) and also about what to wear if it's too cold for leggings or chinos.

Help!

Welcome. I bike commute in Denver/Arvada year-round. A few suggestions:

- Get fenders if your hybrid doesn't have them. I also use knobby cyclocross type tires for the period November - April.
- The ice is actually better than the slush. I've almost crashed several times riding through the slush, but riding over medium sizes patches of ice isn't bad if you're upright. Just take it slow.
- Bike lanes are often more treacherous than traffic lanes in winter, because the plows push all the snow and de-icing crap into the bike lane. I ride in the right lane of downtown streets more often than the bike lanes during winter.
- Get fleece cycling tights. There are great cheap ones on Amazon. Mine are comfortable down to ~10 degrees, and are actually too hot when it's above 30.
- Invest in a good USB-rechargeable bike light. Maybe three. Again, Amazon is a good resource.
- Don't over-dress. If you start out a little cold, that's better than starting out perfectly comfortable. You'll warm up.
- Enjoy it! Biking in the winter is beautiful around here, and often faster than rush hour traffic. View it as an adventure!

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 09, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.

I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.

Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.

So I just gave the wheel builder at a new (recommended) LBS the go ahead to build me a new wheel.
-Velocity Cliffhanger 36H rim
-Shimano Deore hub
-DTSwiss spokes
-locking brass nipples

Including parts and labor, it cost almost half the price of the bike but HOPEFULLY it will fix my wheel issues for good. Hurts to say but came to $303 plus tax so ~$323.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 09, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
Just put in a call to my bike shop to ask about fenders. I don’t want to get caught without them before the rain starts.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 09, 2019, 08:27:39 PM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.

I kept bringing the wheel to my LBS where I bought the bike and they would put another spoke in until it got to 5 or 6 spokes then they got a new wheel from Giant.

Now I just had one of the spokes on the new wheel break! I brought it back to the LBS again and I’m pretty sure they’re just going to put another spoke in.

When does it end?? I moved away from the town that the bike shop is in so I can’t keep going back to that one every time a spoke breaks. Luckily I’m visiting my parents at the moment so I’m in town.

I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.

Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.

So I just gave the wheel builder at a new (recommended) LBS the go ahead to build me a new wheel.
-Velocity Cliffhanger 36H rim
-Shimano Deore hub
-DTSwiss spokes
-locking brass nipples

Including parts and labor, it cost almost half the price of the bike but HOPEFULLY it will fix my wheel issues for good. Hurts to say but came to $303 plus tax so ~$323.

A hand built 36 spoke wheel will last you forever.  The 32 spoke rear wheel that I built hasn't gone out of true in four years of heavy use.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 10, 2019, 10:53:40 AM
I’ve been riding my 2017 Giant Roam 2 about 12 miles per day 5-6 days a week and am going through spikes like crazy. They always break at the bend into the hub on the non-drive side of the rear wheel.
I replaced eight or nine spokes on the rear wheel of my Giant Escape before buying a whole new set of spokes, taking the entire thing apart and rebuilding it.  No problems since.  Giant does a lot of things right on their bikes, but my experience has been that they don't tighten the spokes in their rear wheels evenly enough, or to sufficient tension when building them.

It's really important that the spoke tension in your wheels is high enough and even all the way around.  Replacing a single broken spoke on your wheel is probably a waste of time.  Sure, it can be made true and will work for a little while . . . but if tension wasn't even to begin with then some spokes will be really loose and some will be too tight.  Unfortunately f you've been riding a poorly tensioned wheel for a while every loose spoke on the wheel is in a weakened state because of the excess flexing it undergoes with each wheel rotation.  The NDS spokes are typically at lower tension than the DS spokes on a rear wheel because of the dishing that your cassette requires, so it makes sense that those are the ones breaking first.

You're going to keep regularly popping spokes if you don't have someone go through the whole process of re-tensioning the thing.
Yea, that seems like the case here. I actually paid the bike shop to tension and true the spokes after number 2 or 3 of the first wheel but maybe they either didn’t tension it or the damage was already done to the other spokes.

I’m a DIYer but am hesitant to purchase the tools necessary for retensioning and truing.
Maybe I should bring it to the LBS near my new place and see if they have someone who knows how to properly work on a wheel.
So I just gave the wheel builder at a new (recommended) LBS the go ahead to build me a new wheel.
-Velocity Cliffhanger 36H rim
-Shimano Deore hub
-DTSwiss spokes
-locking brass nipples

Including parts and labor, it cost almost half the price of the bike but HOPEFULLY it will fix my wheel issues for good. Hurts to say but came to $303 plus tax so ~$323.
I also had a 36H rear wheel hand built a few years ago due to same problem (ALWAYS at the elbow on the non-drive side which has lower tension due to wheel geometry). My costs were a bit lower ($250-280 total; 50-100 rim, 50-70 hub, 40-60 spokes and nipples, 60-80 labor), but I'm pretty sure you rim and nipples are an upgrade from what I got. I'm a big guy, ride fairly upright, and pack ~20 pounds on the rear rack regularly, so lots of weight on that wheel.

After researching the problem (mostly sheldonbrown.com articles), I determined that the drive side spokes should have a larger cross sectional area than the non-drive side spokes so that the cross sectional stress is approximately equal. I determined that I wanted a hand built wheel and felt that I could DIY the job (using bike as truing stand and pitch method of determining spoke tension). As I looked to source the needed parts, I found that getting the spokes I wanted was going to be a problem. I could only find the spokes I wanted in quantities of 50, so I'd have 32 extra of each size - the cost of the extra spokes was about the same as the labor to build a wheel so I ended up having the wheel built at a LBS. I ended up going with the wheel builder's recommendation using the same single butted spokes on both sides of the wheel.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 10, 2019, 11:37:14 AM
So I just gave the wheel builder at a new (recommended) LBS the go ahead to build me a new wheel.
-Velocity Cliffhanger 36H rim
-Shimano Deore hub
-DTSwiss spokes
-locking brass nipples

Including parts and labor, it cost almost half the price of the bike but HOPEFULLY it will fix my wheel issues for good. Hurts to say but came to $303 plus tax so ~$323.

A hand built 36 spoke wheel will last you forever.  The 32 spoke rear wheel that I built hasn't gone out of true in four years of heavy use.

I sure hope so! I feel like a spendy pants over here but didn't see a better option at this point.

I also had a 36H rear wheel hand built a few years ago due to same problem (ALWAYS at the elbow on the non-drive side which has lower tension due to wheel geometry). My costs were a bit lower ($250-280 total; 50-100 rim, 50-70 hub, 40-60 spokes and nipples, 60-80 labor), but I'm pretty sure you rim and nipples are an upgrade from what I got. I'm a big guy, ride fairly upright, and pack ~20 pounds on the rear rack regularly, so lots of weight on that wheel.

After researching the problem (mostly sheldonbrown.com articles), I determined that the drive side spokes should have a larger cross sectional area than the non-drive side spokes so that the cross sectional stress is approximately equal. I determined that I wanted a hand built wheel and felt that I could DIY the job (using bike as truing stand and pitch method of determining spoke tension). As I looked to source the needed parts, I found that getting the spokes I wanted was going to be a problem. I could only find the spokes I wanted in quantities of 50, so I'd have 32 extra of each size - the cost of the extra spokes was about the same as the labor to build a wheel so I ended up having the wheel built at a LBS. I ended up going with the wheel builder's recommendation using the same single butted spokes on both sides of the wheel.
Mine started off breaking at the elbow of the NDS but then the floodgates opened and they started breaking all over the place.

The LBS did an estimate of the parts cost but the only things that were certain were the spokes at $1.88 each, nipples at $0.36(?) each, and labor at $90. This LBS is in an expensive area and their prices are a bit higher than others I've noticed.

I do just about everything myself and was tempted to do this on my own, but after all the problems I've had, I figured I'd let them do it so I have someone to go back to if it starts failing again.

In the mean time, I've been replacing the spokes myself, bringing them up to tension by sound, and using a pen on the rim and a steady hand to true the wheel on the bike flipped upside down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 10, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
The LBS did an estimate of the parts cost but the only things that were certain were the spokes at $1.88 each, nipples at $0.36(?) each, and labor at $90. This LBS is in an expensive area and their prices are a bit higher than others I've noticed.
My LBS estimate only changed because rim I originally picked out wasn't available from their regular supplier (and shipping of a single rim from alternate providers was cost prohibitive).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 10, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
For the record, as a cycling newbie, I can no longer read the most recent posts on this thread. It's almost a different language.

As a cycling newbie update, sometime in the last few weeks I biked the "giant" hill between my old home and my work - the one that prevented me from biking daily before I moved. It was fine! It was a workout, but a moderate one. It was nice to have tangible evidence that I'm getting stronger.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on October 10, 2019, 02:06:13 PM
Yay @Tass that is awesome!

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Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 10, 2019, 02:10:13 PM
Congrats on the hill!


Learning to talk about tweaking nipples on your wheels without collapsing into fits of giggles is an important part of becoming a cyclist.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on October 10, 2019, 02:58:06 PM
Congrats on the hill!


Learning to talk about tweaking nipples on your wheels without collapsing into fits of giggles is an important part of becoming a cyclist.  :P
A certain type of cyclist...
I've successfully ridden for years without needing to talk about adjusting my nipples. YMMV
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 10, 2019, 03:10:46 PM
Congrats on the hill!


Learning to talk about tweaking nipples on your wheels without collapsing into fits of giggles is an important part of becoming a cyclist.  :P

Ha!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 10, 2019, 03:27:55 PM
I'm not a newbie, but this is the first time I've heard truing a wheel referred to as "tweaking nipples on your wheels". Can't say that I'm collapsing into fits of giggles, but I am chuckling a bit about the phrasing.

Tass, congrats on the hill. I'm sure I'd find it a bit of a workout too. It's been over a year since I've gone up anything larger than an overpass (possibly over a year for that too). The most challenging hill I regularly ride is about 7 ft of elevation gain over about 200 ft. When I hit the traffic light at the bottom of the hill right, I can almost just coast to the stop sign at the top of the hill.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 10, 2019, 04:08:13 PM
Tass, congrats on the hill. I'm sure I'd find it a bit of a workout too. It's been over a year since I've gone up anything larger than an overpass (possibly over a year for that too). The most challenging hill I regularly ride is about 7 ft of elevation gain over about 200 ft. When I hit the traffic light at the bottom of the hill right, I can almost just coast to the stop sign at the top of the hill.

This is 300ft of elevation over 1.5 miles. Per google maps it looks like the grade is between 3-5.5% at different points - so not appreciably steeper than yours, though more sustained. I'm pretty sure one of the signs on the route warns of 8%, though...

It's also the hill my partner would have to climb if he started biking, which I am now encouraging him to try. He needs to get over the sniffles first, though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 11, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
This is 300ft of elevation over 1.5 miles. Per google maps it looks like the grade is between 3-5.5% at different points - so not appreciably steeper than yours, though more sustained. I'm pretty sure one of the signs on the route warns of 8%, though...
I get the smallest hint of what it would be like to actually sustain a climb of that grade when I come to a stop at the traffic signal just before it so I can't hit it with speed.

As far as hills go, the most challenging ride I have taken was about 20 miles each way. The first 16.5 miles is mostly a bike path along the American River gaining about 60 ft in elevation. The next 3/4 of a mile is a 120 ft  climb from the river into Fair Oaks. Then 3 miles of rolling hills (unfortunately traffic signals tend to be at the bottom of the hills). Other than having a full hour of mostly flat riding before getting to the climb, even this isn't as tough as your hill. The return trip would be a lot more fun if sharp turns and traffic considerations didn't prevent carrying speed off the descent.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on October 11, 2019, 08:53:52 AM
I guess, this is both a humble brag and a Mustachian people problem (MPP), but with all the cycling to work I've been doing this past year, my thighs have gotten bigger, and now I don't like the way I look in my work pants or jeans.
I've always been sort of an athletic build, and I've never been one to "skip leg day".  But now, the thigh area in my pants are tight, while the waist and lower legs remain the same.  I haven't bought jeans in over 10 years, and being mustachian, I don't want to buy new jeans or work slacks.  I guess I'll have to just adjust my expectations of what I look like in my clothes.   

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 11, 2019, 09:02:04 AM
I guess, this is both a humble brag and a Mustachian people problem (MPP), but with all the cycling to work I've been doing this past year, my thighs have gotten bigger, and now I don't like the way I look in my work pants or jeans.
I've always been sort of an athletic build, and I've never been one to "skip leg day".  But now, the thigh area in my pants are tight, while the waist and lower legs remain the same.  I haven't bought jeans in over 10 years, and being mustachian, I don't want to buy new jeans or work slacks.  I guess I'll have to just adjust my expectations of what I look like in my clothes.

I hear ya.  I've been growing out of my clothes - in a good way - as well.  Not so much the pants, but the work shirts, which I order custom-fitted since anything off the rack looks terrible on me.  Thankfully, my MIL sews and has been repairing some tears, but it's only going to take me so far.  I really want this batch of shirts to last me through the end of my office-working career, but it doesn't seem like I'm going to make it.  I guess I could just stop lifting...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 11, 2019, 09:02:58 AM
I had the same problem so stopped wearing pants entirely.  Everyone wins.  I'm comfy, no need to spend money on custom designed clothes, and the world can enjoy my sculpted lower body.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on October 11, 2019, 09:07:49 AM
I had the same problem so stopped wearing pants entirely.  Everyone wins.  I'm comfy, no need to spend money on custom designed clothes, and the world can enjoy my sculpted lower body.

Another reason to retire early, so I don't have to wear slacks anymore, then the world too can enjoy my sculpted lower body.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 11, 2019, 09:09:55 AM
Protip - steer clear of elementary schools while pantsless.  Just trust me on this.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Raenia on October 11, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
Switch to kilts!  You get the best of both - comfy, showing off your legs, and not getting arrested FTW.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 11, 2019, 11:55:51 AM
I had the same problem so stopped wearing pants entirely.  Everyone wins.  I'm comfy, no need to spend money on custom designed clothes, and the world can enjoy my sculpted lower body.

Another reason to retire early, so I don't have to wear slacks anymore, then the world too can enjoy my sculpted lower body.
When my daughter wants to show off her lower body I insist that she wear underwear at the dinner table. I actually had to think for a moment when she asked why.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 11, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
Protip - steer clear of elementary schools while pantsless.  Just trust me on this.
But this thread is about biking to work; and, I usually pass an elementary school on the way in (though usually before children are present). I suppose I could change my route to avoid; but it difficult to avoid all the schools. My most frequent route takes me past 3 schools (the K-8 I recognized as an elementary school, a high school, and a K-12 charter that I didn't even know was a school until I saw it labeled on a map). Thankfully the elementary school on my street was shut down years ago and the Salvation Army campus that I thought was a school only has a daycare center (that's better right?). There are also two more schools that I occasionally go by that are easily avoided in the future (a K-5 and a K-8). That's it for schools on routes I usually take to work. This thread isn't about biking home from work, so I won't mention the additional high school and day care center that I only usually pass by in the homeward direction (I do normally avoid the first K-8 going home already). You'd think that after 20+ years of cycling I would have already know that I should plan routes more carefully when cycling in shorts!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on October 13, 2019, 11:59:13 AM
Interjecting this post below some veteran cyclists above ^^^, but a newbie looking for some encouragement and motivation!

I recently relocated much closer to work (~4.5 miles away) and just did a test ride over the weekend to get the route down.  Shouldn't be too hard of a ride. I just struggle with getting enough sleep and waking up early enough to have time to ride in.  Tomorrow should be my first day cycling into work!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 13, 2019, 12:06:51 PM
Interjecting this post below some veteran cyclists above ^^^, but a newbie looking for some encouragement and motivation!

I recently relocated much closer to work (~4.5 miles away) and just did a test ride over the weekend to get the route down.  Shouldn't be too hard of a ride. I just struggle with getting enough sleep and waking up early enough to have time to ride in.  Tomorrow should be my first day cycling into work!

Cheers!

Sweet! Congrats!
That’s the same distance as my commute.
You’ll get used to it and it’ll become normal.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 15, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
Interjecting this post below some veteran cyclists above ^^^, but a newbie looking for some encouragement and motivation!

I recently relocated much closer to work (~4.5 miles away) and just did a test ride over the weekend to get the route down.  Shouldn't be too hard of a ride. I just struggle with getting enough sleep and waking up early enough to have time to ride in.  Tomorrow should be my first day cycling into work!

Cheers!
That's about how far my ride is. I think it is pretty close to the optimum distance for cycle commuting - just enough to get 15-20 minutes of cardio workout. For me the travel time isn't much more than driving (depends on traffic of course), but overall it takes about 15 minutes extra because I change clothes at work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on October 15, 2019, 11:16:52 AM
That's about how far my ride is. I think it is pretty close to the optimum distance for cycle commuting - just enough to get 15-20 minutes of cardio workout. For me the travel time isn't much more than driving (depends on traffic of course), but overall it takes about 15 minutes extra because I change clothes at work.

I commuted by bike for the first time yesterday and I can say I agree.  Actually mapped it out and I live 5 miles away.  Took me about 30 minutes to bike in (I went quite slowly and didn't want to work up to much of a sweat, which isn't too hard since I start at 7am) and it took about 25 min to bike home at a faster pace.  It's not too bad considering it takes about 15 minutes to drive anyways.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 15, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
I definitely need to figure out how to be warmer. My legs and feet were sooo cold last time I biked and it was only like 32F. Not that cold. What do people were on their feet when it's cold? 'Cause running shoes are not keeping my feet warm, even with wool socks.

I biked up to the tiny LBS yesterday. They said that my tires were probably fine for winter but that I should get fenders. They are ordering some for me and I'll go back to have them installed. There are probably cheaper ways to get fenders, but my mental bandwidth is limited!

The fenders we chose are reflective and I already ordered a reflective vest, so I should be SUPER visible at night!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 15, 2019, 01:27:01 PM
I definitely need to figure out how to be warmer. My legs and feet were sooo cold last time I biked and it was only like 32F. Not that cold. What do people were on their feet when it's cold? 'Cause running shoes are not keeping my feet warm, even with wool socks.

I biked up to the tiny LBS yesterday. They said that my tires were probably fine for winter but that I should get fenders. They are ordering some for me and I'll go back to have them installed. There are probably cheaper ways to get fenders, but my mental bandwidth is limited!

The fenders we chose are reflective and I already ordered a reflective vest, so I should be SUPER visible at night!

I've found that keeping my chest and core warm enough actually keeps my hands and feet warm.  When my chest is too cold, my feet and fingers are the first to suffer . . . even if they're in heavy boots/gloves.  Other than that, make sure that your shoes and gloves are loose (don't pack boots so tight with socks that there's no room to move your feet around).  Tight stuff will cut off circulation, and as soon as you do that you're going to suffer in the cold.

Some other tips to stay warm:
- Don't wear cotton.  As soon as cotton gets wet, it conducts heat away from the body faster than being naked.
- Always wear a wind blocking layer on the outside and various insulating layers below that.  You're always getting whacked with wind while cycling, and that wind will cut right through most non-wind blocking materials - chilling you much more than would happen if you were just walking around.
- Have stuff with zips and vents.  Seems weird, but one of the problems you run into when cycling in the winter is that you overheat.  Then you sweat.  Then the sweat makes you cold.
- Try to keep your power output slow and steady on the bike.  If you're sprinting to the next traffic light and then sitting still you're going to build up a lot of sweat, and then freeze while you're not moving.  (Can also cause problems with glasses fogging up.)
- Cover your face and eyes!  Wear a balaclava over your face below zero.  Wear glasses or goggles to keep the wind from making your eyes water and then have cold liquid dripping down your face.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on October 15, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
@La Bibliotecaria Feroz, do you own any boots?  Wind is going to rush straight through the mesh of running shoes.  Feet are really hard to keep warm when it's cold out. 

Fenders are awesome!  I love mine. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 15, 2019, 01:57:02 PM
I definitely need to figure out how to be warmer. My legs and feet were sooo cold last time I biked and it was only like 32F. Not that cold. What do people were on their feet when it's cold? 'Cause running shoes are not keeping my feet warm, even with wool socks.

I wear ugg's, merrell winter hiking shoes, rain boots, blundstones, or heavy duty sorrel knee high winter boots... depending on how cold and how long I'm biking for. If you clip in you have much fewer choices. Sometimes you can get off and walk a bit to warm your feet up if you're going to be out a while. And yes I know that's a lot of winter foot wear, but it is winter here a lot! (We've hit -15C for a morning commute already, and have had 6ish commute days of snow and ice!)

I second what GuitarSV said, do not cut off circulation to hands or feet by stuffing another layer of socks/liner gloves - you will have the worst frost bite thaw pain ever!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 15, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
@La Bibliotecaria Feroz, do you own any boots?  Wind is going to rush straight through the mesh of running shoes.  Feet are really hard to keep warm when it's cold out. 

Fenders are awesome!  I love mine.

I have some Merrell snow boots. I guess seeing how those do would be the most economical choice!

@GuitarStv, thanks for the tips! That makes a lot of sense. My neck was super cold because I was just wearing a fleece that was a little loose in that area and I probably would have been more comfortable all over if I'd been wearing a balaclava instead of just an ear wrap.

I think if I buy only 2 things this winter--clothing-wise, so not counting the fenders--they should be cycling tights and a balaclava. Everything else I can probably make do with something I already have for any weather that I would really want to bike in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on October 15, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
I've found that keeping my chest and core warm enough actually keeps my hands and feet warm.  When my chest is too cold, my feet and fingers are the first to suffer . . . even if they're in heavy boots/gloves.  Other than that, make sure that your shoes and gloves are loose (don't pack boots so tight with socks that there's no room to move your feet around).  Tight stuff will cut off circulation, and as soon as you do that you're going to suffer in the cold.

If your core is cold, your body won't send blood to the extremities because its highest priority is keeping the organs warm. You also don't want all your torso layers to be super tight fitting as the warmed up air pockets add insulation. I used my hiking boots + wool socks for my feet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on October 16, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
Installed my new, faster tires over the weekend and rode in for the first time on them today. As I'm leaving the house, I realize I forgot to bring a spare tube. Eh, what could go wrong? I haven't had a fast-leak flat since I started riding, right?

Ooooh, these tires are faster!!

Several miles in.... HissSsssSssssSSsssssSSssssssSSsssssssssssssssssssSSSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Sonuva!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on October 16, 2019, 03:33:59 PM
Several miles in.... HissSsssSssssSSsssssSSssssssSSsssssssssssssssssssSSSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

I could feel just this sitting in my office chair reading it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 16, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
Just got back from the bike shop with my new, 36 spoke, hand built, rear wheel.

They told me to bring it back after 500 miles so they can re-true it.

Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!

I'm scared that I'm going to ride it and start breaking spokes again on my freaking $323 wheel.

I texted the guy to let him know. At this point it would have been cheaper for me to just drive my car everywhere...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2019, 04:39:28 PM
I stopped by work this afternoon (on maternity leave) and picked up the correct size of the awesome new reflective bike jacket I earned through bike-to-work points. I’m excited to wear it as the mornings are starting to get chilly.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2019, 04:40:26 PM
Oh right. Technically I’m squatting on this chat as I am not biking to work while on leave. I do bike my kid to school each day though so I am not a complete imposter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on October 16, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Oh right. Technically I’m squatting on this chat as I am not biking to work while on leave. I do bike my kid to school each day though so I am not a complete imposter.
AND you biked to work enough to earn an awesome reflective bike jacket. SCORE.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 16, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
I think biking to work during the majority of a pregnancy earns you a permanent place of honor in the thread, actually.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 16, 2019, 05:59:07 PM
Just got back from the bike shop with my new, 36 spoke, hand built, rear wheel.

They told me to bring it back after 500 miles so they can re-true it.

Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!

I'm scared that I'm going to ride it and start breaking spokes again on my freaking $323 wheel.

I texted the guy to let him know. At this point it would have been cheaper for me to just drive my car everywhere...

It's pretty common for spokes on a new wheel to require adjustment after a few hundred miles.

On a properly built wheel, all the spokes on the same side should be the same tension.  None of them should feel looser than any of the others (although on a rear wheel you'll find that the non drive side spokes are much looser than the spokes on the drive side).  Where do you feel loose spokes?  How loose are they?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
I think biking to work during the majority of a pregnancy earns you a permanent place of honor in the thread, actually.
~blush~
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 16, 2019, 06:44:37 PM
Just got back from the bike shop with my new, 36 spoke, hand built, rear wheel.

They told me to bring it back after 500 miles so they can re-true it.

Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!

I'm scared that I'm going to ride it and start breaking spokes again on my freaking $323 wheel.

I texted the guy to let him know. At this point it would have been cheaper for me to just drive my car everywhere...

It's pretty common for spokes on a new wheel to require adjustment after a few hundred miles.

On a properly built wheel, all the spokes on the same side should be the same tension.  None of them should feel looser than any of the others (although on a rear wheel you'll find that the non drive side spokes are much looser than the spokes on the drive side).  Where do you feel loose spokes?  How loose are they?

I haven’t ridden the bike yet with the new wheel...

I plucked all the spokes and can tell that they’re all slightly different tensions even though the wheel is true.

The two that were loose didn’t ring at all.
Just clunked and I could move them back and fourth with my finger and thumb without much pressure.

I forget where on the wheel they were but they were only a few spokes apart from one another.

They said to bring the wheel back and they’ll take a look.
Since I have work tomorrow (and I ride to work) I’m planning on riding 4.5 miles to work, then 5 miles to the bike shop. Hope that doesn’t do any damage.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 16, 2019, 08:18:08 PM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?

I just went to a bike superstore and bought the one that didn't make me feel ridiculous.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 16, 2019, 08:27:09 PM
Hah!

I add a wide brim to the outside of mine so I am guaranteed to look ridiculous regardless.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 17, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?
All helmets have to pass the same standards, but I did elect for a MIPS one - they are supposed to be better than the average brain bucket. Mine is a Bontrager Circuit MIPS. I can put lights on it, which is cool for visibility. Maybe a car pulling out of a driveway will see the blinky coal miner light over the top of parked cars.

It's actually my second helmet(same model) after getting a free crash replacement. I skidded off into a ditch on Hwy 9 while going like 30mph. Bad technique, too much speed, commuter tires. Bruised ribs and bloody scrapes helped me learn my lesson, but the helmet did its job.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 17, 2019, 12:36:19 AM
Oh right. Technically I’m squatting on this chat as I am not biking to work while on leave. I do bike my kid to school each day though so I am not a complete imposter.

I'm also squatting here for another week since I had a cardiac ablation last week and I'm not yet healed enough for biking.

It's been soooooo boring and I had to make an unscheduled stop for gas today. Blerg.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 17, 2019, 01:18:21 AM
I had to do a unscheduled has stop also! I had to run some car errands and was completely caught by surprise when the gas light dinged on the freeway. I’ve fallen out of the habit if managing this stuff. Hah.


Good luck healing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 06:04:03 AM
Just got back from the bike shop with my new, 36 spoke, hand built, rear wheel.

They told me to bring it back after 500 miles so they can re-true it.

Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!

I'm scared that I'm going to ride it and start breaking spokes again on my freaking $323 wheel.

I texted the guy to let him know. At this point it would have been cheaper for me to just drive my car everywhere...

It's pretty common for spokes on a new wheel to require adjustment after a few hundred miles.

On a properly built wheel, all the spokes on the same side should be the same tension.  None of them should feel looser than any of the others (although on a rear wheel you'll find that the non drive side spokes are much looser than the spokes on the drive side).  Where do you feel loose spokes?  How loose are they?

I haven’t ridden the bike yet with the new wheel...

I plucked all the spokes and can tell that they’re all slightly different tensions even though the wheel is true.

The two that were loose didn’t ring at all.
Just clunked and I could move them back and fourth with my finger and thumb without much pressure.

I forget where on the wheel they were but they were only a few spokes apart from one another.

They said to bring the wheel back and they’ll take a look.
Since I have work tomorrow (and I ride to work) I’m planning on riding 4.5 miles to work, then 5 miles to the bike shop. Hope that doesn’t do any damage.

Both loose spokes are on the NDS.
Just rode the bike to work. The spokes pinged during the first revolution of the wheel with me on the bike.

I didn't think they were supposed to do that on a properly built wheel.

The ride was AMAZING though! wheel feels strong, true, and fast!
Also, I noticed that a creaking sound that I thought was the bottom bracket is no longer there with the new wheel.

I'm going to ride to the bike shop after work to get them to check the tensions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 17, 2019, 08:10:58 AM
Just got back from the bike shop with my new, 36 spoke, hand built, rear wheel.

They told me to bring it back after 500 miles so they can re-true it.

Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!

I'm scared that I'm going to ride it and start breaking spokes again on my freaking $323 wheel.

I texted the guy to let him know. At this point it would have been cheaper for me to just drive my car everywhere...

It's pretty common for spokes on a new wheel to require adjustment after a few hundred miles.

On a properly built wheel, all the spokes on the same side should be the same tension.  None of them should feel looser than any of the others (although on a rear wheel you'll find that the non drive side spokes are much looser than the spokes on the drive side).  Where do you feel loose spokes?  How loose are they?

I haven’t ridden the bike yet with the new wheel...

I plucked all the spokes and can tell that they’re all slightly different tensions even though the wheel is true.

The two that were loose didn’t ring at all.
Just clunked and I could move them back and fourth with my finger and thumb without much pressure.

I forget where on the wheel they were but they were only a few spokes apart from one another.

They said to bring the wheel back and they’ll take a look.
Since I have work tomorrow (and I ride to work) I’m planning on riding 4.5 miles to work, then 5 miles to the bike shop. Hope that doesn’t do any damage.

Both loose spokes are on the NDS.
Just rode the bike to work. The spokes pinged during the first revolution of the wheel with me on the bike.

I didn't think they were supposed to do that on a properly built wheel.

The ride was AMAZING though! wheel feels strong, true, and fast!
Also, I noticed that a creaking sound that I thought was the bottom bracket is no longer there with the new wheel.

I'm going to ride to the bike shop after work to get them to check the tensions.


A little pinging after adjusting spoke tensions is normal and no big deal.  Spokes that are so loose they're just sitting there and wiggling around doesn't sound good though.

Check if the adjacent spokes on the same side feel like they're at a much higher tension.  To me, that would be an indication of a wheel that's not built properly . . . it's possible to build a wheel very true with wildly uneven tensions on the spokes.  What happens with that sort of wheel though, is that the uneven tension leads to premature spoke failure and a much weaker wheel than you would otherwise get.

If all the spokes on the NDS feel a little loose, that's not necessarily a problem.  The dish of the wheel dictates that they'll all be much looser than the drive side.  None should be flopping around though, but it should be possible for the shop to slightly increase the tension of all spokes (DS and NDS) so that nothing's flopping around.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 17, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?

MIPS is the current state-of-the-art technology for helmets.  It is not conclusively better, from what I can tell, but studies suggest that it is better, particularly at mitigating rotational impacts.

I bought a MIPS helmet yesterday on Amazon from a reputable brand (Giro) for my e-biking.  My current helmet is old but still seems perfectly intact.  Nevertheless, I made the leap (partly to get a rounder helmet as well in line with other recommendations I've read).  Worst case, I wasted $40. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 17, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
Once I got home, I noticed the wheel is true but there are two spokes that seem like they are waaaay too loose!
On a properly built wheel, all the spokes on the same side should be the same tension.  None of them should feel looser than any of the others (although on a rear wheel you'll find that the non drive side spokes are much looser than the spokes on the drive side).  Where do you feel loose spokes?  How loose are they?
I plucked all the spokes and can tell that they’re all slightly different tensions even though the wheel is true.

The two that were loose didn’t ring at all.
Just clunked and I could move them back and fourth with my finger and thumb without much pressure.

I forget where on the wheel they were but they were only a few spokes apart from one another.

They said to bring the wheel back and they’ll take a look.
Since I have work tomorrow (and I ride to work) I’m planning on riding 4.5 miles to work, then 5 miles to the bike shop. Hope that doesn’t do any damage.
Both loose spokes are on the NDS.
Just rode the bike to work. The spokes pinged during the first revolution of the wheel with me on the bike.

I didn't think they were supposed to do that on a properly built wheel.
I'm going to ride to the bike shop after work to get them to check the tensions.
A little pinging after adjusting spoke tensions is normal and no big deal.  Spokes that are so loose they're just sitting there and wiggling around doesn't sound good though.

Check if the adjacent spokes on the same side feel like they're at a much higher tension.  To me, that would be an indication of a wheel that's not built properly . . . it's possible to build a wheel very true with wildly uneven tensions on the spokes.  What happens with that sort of wheel though, is that the uneven tension leads to premature spoke failure and a much weaker wheel than you would otherwise get.

If all the spokes on the NDS feel a little loose, that's not necessarily a problem.  The dish of the wheel dictates that they'll all be much looser than the drive side.  None should be flopping around though, but it should be possible for the shop to slightly increase the tension of all spokes (DS and NDS) so that nothing's flopping around.
It is possible that the rim they started with wasn't true to begin with, so they needed some variation in tension to true the rim. The wheel builder should have rejected the rim if the only way to build a wheel that is true from it was to have tension problems as bad as you describe.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 09:04:24 AM
Both loose spokes are on the NDS.
Just rode the bike to work. The spokes pinged during the first revolution of the wheel with me on the bike.

I didn't think they were supposed to do that on a properly built wheel.

The ride was AMAZING though! wheel feels strong, true, and fast!
Also, I noticed that a creaking sound that I thought was the bottom bracket is no longer there with the new wheel.

I'm going to ride to the bike shop after work to get them to check the tensions.


A little pinging after adjusting spoke tensions is normal and no big deal.  Spokes that are so loose they're just sitting there and wiggling around doesn't sound good though.

Check if the adjacent spokes on the same side feel like they're at a much higher tension.  To me, that would be an indication of a wheel that's not built properly . . . it's possible to build a wheel very true with wildly uneven tensions on the spokes.  What happens with that sort of wheel though, is that the uneven tension leads to premature spoke failure and a much weaker wheel than you would otherwise get.

If all the spokes on the NDS feel a little loose, that's not necessarily a problem.  The dish of the wheel dictates that they'll all be much looser than the drive side.  None should be flopping around though, but it should be possible for the shop to slightly increase the tension of all spokes (DS and NDS) so that nothing's flopping around.

I thought that the initial pinging was a sign that the spokes weren't properly stress relieved or seated properly or something like that.
It's relieving (har har) if that isn't the case.

Everything on the wheel is at a much higher tension than these two spokes as they're not even tight.
Comparing the adjacent spokes to the other spokes on the same side of the wheel, they sound roughly the same when I pick them.

Regardless, I'm going to take it in today and see what they say as the premature spoke failure issue is why I paid the $$$ to have a hand-built wheel from a pro (I hope) after going through 2 junkers from Giant.

I hope I'm just needlessly worrying here. I must say this whole thing has been quite disheartening.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 17, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
Both loose spokes are on the NDS.
Just rode the bike to work. The spokes pinged during the first revolution of the wheel with me on the bike.

I didn't think they were supposed to do that on a properly built wheel.

The ride was AMAZING though! wheel feels strong, true, and fast!
Also, I noticed that a creaking sound that I thought was the bottom bracket is no longer there with the new wheel.

I'm going to ride to the bike shop after work to get them to check the tensions.


A little pinging after adjusting spoke tensions is normal and no big deal.  Spokes that are so loose they're just sitting there and wiggling around doesn't sound good though.

Check if the adjacent spokes on the same side feel like they're at a much higher tension.  To me, that would be an indication of a wheel that's not built properly . . . it's possible to build a wheel very true with wildly uneven tensions on the spokes.  What happens with that sort of wheel though, is that the uneven tension leads to premature spoke failure and a much weaker wheel than you would otherwise get.

If all the spokes on the NDS feel a little loose, that's not necessarily a problem.  The dish of the wheel dictates that they'll all be much looser than the drive side.  None should be flopping around though, but it should be possible for the shop to slightly increase the tension of all spokes (DS and NDS) so that nothing's flopping around.

I thought that the initial pinging was a sign that the spokes weren't properly stress relieved or seated properly or something like that.
It's relieving (har har) if that isn't the case.

Everything on the wheel is at a much higher tension than these two spokes as they're not even tight.
Comparing the adjacent spokes to the other spokes on the same side of the wheel, they sound roughly the same when I pick them.

Regardless, I'm going to take it in today and see what they say as the premature spoke failure issue is why I paid the $$$ to have a hand-built wheel from a pro (I hope) after going through 2 junkers from Giant.

I hope I'm just needlessly worrying here. I must say this whole thing has been quite disheartening.

If you're really concerned about the wheel build, ask the bike shop to show you the tensions of the spokes you're concerned about (and adjacent spokes) with their tensiometer.  I wouldn't expect more than plus or minus 5% tension difference on all the spokes on a side after the wheel is trued.  If you're seeing more than +/- 10% there's something wrong with the build.  (With some patience I was able to get the wheels I built true at at plus or minus two percent.)  If they don't have a tensiometer, find a new bike shop.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 09:36:34 AM
I thought that the initial pinging was a sign that the spokes weren't properly stress relieved or seated properly or something like that.
It's relieving (har har) if that isn't the case.

Everything on the wheel is at a much higher tension than these two spokes as they're not even tight.
Comparing the adjacent spokes to the other spokes on the same side of the wheel, they sound roughly the same when I pick them.

Regardless, I'm going to take it in today and see what they say as the premature spoke failure issue is why I paid the $$$ to have a hand-built wheel from a pro (I hope) after going through 2 junkers from Giant.

I hope I'm just needlessly worrying here. I must say this whole thing has been quite disheartening.

If you're really concerned about the wheel build, ask the bike shop to show you the tensions of the spokes you're concerned about (and adjacent spokes) with their tensiometer.  I wouldn't expect more than plus or minus 5% tension difference on all the spokes on a side after the wheel is trued.  If you're seeing more than +/- 10% there's something wrong with the build.  (With some patience I was able to get the wheels I built true at at plus or minus two percent.)  If they don't have a tensiometer, find a new bike shop.

Thanks, that's helpful. That gives me a baseline to go off of.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 17, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
Looking for thoughts around bike headlights as the winter approaches. For context: I live in the Midwest (Wisconsin). My commute to work is only 1.5 miles, but it does take place mostly in a bike trail that has no street lights or anything. I also bike to other places (mainly the gym), and I bike at night at least 1-2 times a week usually. I would prefer a rechargeable headlight so I don't have to worry about buying batteries.

I saw someone recommend the Cygolite Metro 750. This is way out of my price range, but I saw the Cygolite Metro 550 (https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-Durable-Waterproof-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B00LXTORC4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=The+Cygolite+Metro+750&psc=1&qid=1571327372&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-Durable-Waterproof-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B00LXTORC4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=The+Cygolite+Metro+750&psc=1&qid=1571327372&sr=8-1)). Still more than I would like to pay, but seems to be a good quality headlight that's also rechargeable.

The other option would be: https://www.amazon.com/Vont-Bike-Light-Tools-Free-Installation/dp/B00KQSVRF8/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+headlight&psc=1&qid=1571326523&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Vont-Bike-Light-Tools-Free-Installation/dp/B00KQSVRF8/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+headlight&psc=1&qid=1571326523&sr=8-5). Cheaper but seems to still be good quality and almost half the price.

I guess just looking for people's opinions on this. I'm really tempted to get the more expensive one since it seems to be better quality and rechargeable, but I also don't know if I really need something SO nice if my bike commutes are never more than 3 miles? If there are other recommendations that you guys have, feel free to drop them for me.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 17, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?

MIPS is the current state-of-the-art technology for helmets.  It is not conclusively better, from what I can tell, but studies suggest that it is better, particularly at mitigating rotational impacts.

I bought a MIPS helmet yesterday on Amazon from a reputable brand (Giro) for my e-biking.  My current helmet is old but still seems perfectly intact.  Nevertheless, I made the leap (partly to get a rounder helmet as well in line with other recommendations I've read).  Worst case, I wasted $40.
What is special about rounder?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 17, 2019, 10:18:41 AM
Looking for thoughts around bike headlights as the winter approaches. For context: I live in the Midwest (Wisconsin). My commute to work is only 1.5 miles, but it does take place mostly in a bike trail that has no street lights or anything. I also bike to other places (mainly the gym), and I bike at night at least 1-2 times a week usually. I would prefer a rechargeable headlight so I don't have to worry about buying batteries.

I saw someone recommend the Cygolite Metro 750. This is way out of my price range, but I saw the Cygolite Metro 550 (https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-Durable-Waterproof-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B00LXTORC4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=The+Cygolite+Metro+750&psc=1&qid=1571327372&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-Durable-Waterproof-Rechargeable-Headlight/dp/B00LXTORC4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=The+Cygolite+Metro+750&psc=1&qid=1571327372&sr=8-1)). Still more than I would like to pay, but seems to be a good quality headlight that's also rechargeable.

The other option would be: https://www.amazon.com/Vont-Bike-Light-Tools-Free-Installation/dp/B00KQSVRF8/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+headlight&psc=1&qid=1571326523&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Vont-Bike-Light-Tools-Free-Installation/dp/B00KQSVRF8/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+headlight&psc=1&qid=1571326523&sr=8-5). Cheaper but seems to still be good quality and almost half the price.

I guess just looking for people's opinions on this. I'm really tempted to get the more expensive one since it seems to be better quality and rechargeable, but I also don't know if I really need something SO nice if my bike commutes are never more than 3 miles? If there are other recommendations that you guys have, feel free to drop them for me.

The cygolite metro series is very good.  I'm currently using a 600 and it provides enough light for pitch black areas of my ride, with good flashing modes for the street lit sections.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 10:42:48 AM
Looking for thoughts around bike headlights as the winter approaches. For context: I live in the Midwest (Wisconsin). My commute to work is only 1.5 miles, but it does take place mostly in a bike trail that has no street lights or anything. I also bike to other places (mainly the gym), and I bike at night at least 1-2 times a week usually. I would prefer a rechargeable headlight so I don't have to worry about buying batteries.

I'm not familiar with other brands/models but can tell you what I use.

I went with a niterider 750 (was sent the 1200 boost) and absolutely love it but they're expensive.
I would go with a rechargeable headlight that is good enough for you to see (not just be seen) even if that means that you spend a little bit more on it.

Taillights are cheaper and only have to be good enough for you to be seen from the back. I would also get a rechargeable one of these.
I use a niterider solas 250 for the back.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 17, 2019, 11:20:25 AM
Looking for thoughts around bike headlights as the winter approaches. For context: I live in the Midwest (Wisconsin). My commute to work is only 1.5 miles, but it does take place mostly in a bike trail that has no street lights or anything. I also bike to other places (mainly the gym), and I bike at night at least 1-2 times a week usually. I would prefer a rechargeable headlight so I don't have to worry about buying batteries.

I'm not familiar with other brands/models but can tell you what I use.

I went with a niterider 750 (was sent the 1200 boost) and absolutely love it but they're expensive.
I would go with a rechargeable headlight that is good enough for you to see (not just be seen) even if that means that you spend a little bit more on it.

Taillights are cheaper and only have to be good enough for you to be seen from the back. I would also get a rechargeable one of these.
I use a niterider solas 250 for the back.

I don't have any experience with the lights you posted, but I do have opinions about lights in general. I don't like the rigid mounting type that the lights you posted use. I find they break relatively quickly. If that happens while you're riding the light is often destroyed/lost on impact or when a car runs over it. Instead, I prefer this kind of rubber attachment. It lasts longer and fits a wide variety of shapes and sizes of handlebar.

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5038-788/Urban-500-Light

Distance is not relevant to how bright your lights need to be. You can get hit coming out of your own driveway. If you're out at night, you need lights. If you're riding on unlit streets/trails you need a brighter light.

I prefer to run 2 front and 2 rear lights. The reason is that the USB rechargeable lights switch off suddenly when the battery gets too low. This leaves you in the dark. Having a second light means I'm never completely invisible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 11:29:35 AM

I'm not familiar with other brands/models but can tell you what I use.

I went with a niterider 750 (was sent the 1200 boost) and absolutely love it but they're expensive.
I would go with a rechargeable headlight that is good enough for you to see (not just be seen) even if that means that you spend a little bit more on it.

Taillights are cheaper and only have to be good enough for you to be seen from the back. I would also get a rechargeable one of these.
I use a niterider solas 250 for the back.

I don't have any experience with the lights you posted, but I do have opinions about lights in general. I don't like the rigid mounting type that the lights you posted use. I find they break relatively quickly. If that happens while you're riding the light is often destroyed/lost on impact or when a car runs over it. Instead, I prefer this kind of rubber attachment. It lasts longer and fits a wide variety of shapes and sizes of handlebar.

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5038-788/Urban-500-Light

Distance is not relevant to how bright your lights need to be. You can get hit coming out of your own driveway. If you're out at night, you need lights. If you're riding on unlit streets/trails you need a brighter light.

I prefer to run 2 front and 2 rear lights. The reason is that the USB rechargeable lights switch off suddenly when the battery gets too low. This leaves you in the dark. Having a second light means I'm never completely invisible.

My taillight mount is a rubber strap exactly like that but I don't use the mount.
The back of the taillight is a clip that I clip onto the back of my rack bag.

I haven't had any trouble with the headlight mount.
It's been about a year and a half of constant riding so I guess time will tell.

Agreed on the distance comment.
If I am riding on the road at night at all, I want good lights to see/be seen with.

Whether or not I use them during the day depends on the area.
Around my parents house, I generally don't feel like I need them.
Around my house or my work, I use them all the time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 17, 2019, 11:36:08 AM
I looked down at my helmet this evening and realized it has a couple of cracks in the foam. Since it is old and I ride an ebike I think I should replace it for something that will be safer.

Does anyone have recommendations on products and/or where to start researching?

MIPS is the current state-of-the-art technology for helmets.  It is not conclusively better, from what I can tell, but studies suggest that it is better, particularly at mitigating rotational impacts.

I bought a MIPS helmet yesterday on Amazon from a reputable brand (Giro) for my e-biking.  My current helmet is old but still seems perfectly intact.  Nevertheless, I made the leap (partly to get a rounder helmet as well in line with other recommendations I've read).  Worst case, I wasted $40.
WaveCel is another new technology, but there are tests that show MIPS is still better:
https://cyclingtips.com/2019/05/wavecel-vs-mips-virginia-tech-safety-test-rankings/
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/06/new-independent-test-ranks-bicycle-helmet-safety/ (this link has some helmet model names)

Trek has deals at least twice a year on accessories that cut down the cost, but they are still expensive. I'll admit that I'm buying into the brand ecosystem: Helmet colors match my bike. Light mounts work with my Bontrager lights.

Ion 100 R/Flare R City set (great for summer, usb rechargeable, light, easy to mount on my helmet)
Ion 800 R / Flare R (great for winter or when it gets dark, usb rechargeable, hard mounts available)
You can find them used on eBay. Trek quickly came out with models that were ANT+ transmitter compatible which made the ones above not the current model, so the price on them started to drop. Quality lights, been working rain or shine for me for the past two or three years.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 17, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
I guess just looking for people's opinions on this. I'm really tempted to get the more expensive one since it seems to be better quality and rechargeable, but I also don't know if I really need something SO nice if my bike commutes are never more than 3 miles? If there are other recommendations that you guys have, feel free to drop them for me.

The Vont is only 150 lumens. If it's only between those two, I'd go with the Cygolite.
However lighting isn't really something to go cheep with. I agree with paying attention to the mounting and battery qualities.
I run a Light & Motion Urban 700. Can't say enough good things about their customer service. My first light lasted 6 years (used every day) and then they gave 40% off my next light.


Other things to think about:
- There are two types of light functions: To See and To Be Seen.
- Perspective on when to use a flash setting:  https://averagejoecyclist.com/use-flashing-bike-lights/ (https://averagejoecyclist.com/use-flashing-bike-lights/)


From all the other cyclists and drivers out there, thank you for taking the time & money to get lights. It really makes a difference, one could say it's like night & day. ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 17, 2019, 12:13:46 PM
Thanks everyone for the input! Noted: I will not go cheap with lights. I'll definitely check out Light & Motion since two people suggested those, and the fact that @GreenToTheCore's first light lasted 6 years is a really strong pull for me. I love when I can buy something and not have to worry about it for years. I'll also eventually invest in two sets in case one dies on me while I'm riding, but I'll have to wait a bit cause my budget is tight right now. Someone from this forum is sending me a taillight so I'll use that for the time being. Thanks everyone, love this forum!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on October 17, 2019, 03:48:56 PM
I've had Light & Motion riding year-round in Minneapolis and have been really happy with it. I spent a good few hours at a local shop at night playing with the different lights and mounting them on their bikes to make a decision.

My first light was a Cygolite and I still use the taillight.

For the first year I had my Cygolite set and then an old set of maybe $6 battery-operated lights from Target. They are definitely not bright enough to use to see the road, but they have been my flashing lights for riding in traffic (aimed a bit toward the ground) while my super bright lights stay steady (to not blind other cyclists). It's worked well, I think.

Riding in the temps that we do, I actually prefer a quick connect instead of only the rubber strap - it's sometimes hard for me to get them off without taking off my gloves (I take my lights inside with me everywhere partly due to theft risk and partly to warm them up so the charge lasts longer). A friend showed me how to make my Light & Motion light quick release with one screw - so that might be an option depending on the model you look at.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 17, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
Brought the wheel back to the shop today.

The owner checked the round,true, and tension (with a park tool meter) and everything was fine.

He said that when you pump up the tube, it puts pressure on the wheel and can make some spokes looser.

Once he put the tire/tube back on and pumped it up again, the same spokes were loose but according to them I shouldn’t worry about it.

I have to say my stress has gone down tremendously and I learned something new.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 17, 2019, 04:02:21 PM
Glad to hear you found the advise useful. And in the meantime there ain't nothing wrong with a flashlight duct taped to the handlebar. Been there, done that. All that matters is that you have lights.

Since we're on the subject:
EL lights are fun and can be ordered for <$10 (although you get what you pay for, haven't had a unit last for longer than 1 year)
(https://cdn.instructables.com/FQS/RWHS/GBVJ23EE/FQSRWHSGBVJ23EE.LARGE.jpg?auto=webp&&frame=1&width=1024&height=1024&fit=bounds)
https://www.amazon.com/JYtrend-Neon-Light-Wire-Battery/dp/B017GCSVU0/ref=asc_df_B017GCSVU0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167158513139&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16991623896782278984&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030289&hvtargid=pla-304807278430&psc=1
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 17, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Riding in the temps that we do, I actually prefer a quick connect instead of only the rubber strap - it's sometimes hard for me to get them off without taking off my gloves (I take my lights inside with me everywhere partly due to theft risk and partly to warm them up so the charge lasts longer). A friend showed me how to make my Light & Motion light quick release with one screw - so that might be an option depending on the model you look at.

Agreed, I definitely prefer a quick release function.
That was my only disappointment with my replacement light, finding that they switched to this new screw function. I guess it still let's me take off the light with minimal effort. Maybe my Tiny-Details-Exaggeration-Syndrome is kicking in...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 17, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
Brought the wheel back to the shop today.

The owner checked the round,true, and tension (with a park tool meter) and everything was fine.

He said that when you pump up the tube, it puts pressure on the wheel and can make some spokes looser.

Once he put the tire/tube back on and pumped it up again, the same spokes were loose but according to them I shouldn’t worry about it.

I have to say my stress has gone down tremendously and I learned something new.
Great news!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 21, 2019, 09:46:24 AM
Oh right. Technically I’m squatting on this chat as I am not biking to work while on leave. I do bike my kid to school each day though so I am not a complete imposter.

I'm also squatting here for another week since I had a cardiac ablation last week and I'm not yet healed enough for biking.

It's been soooooo boring and I had to make an unscheduled stop for gas today. Blerg.

I biked to work today! I've never been so happy to ride in the rain. Didn't even notice any pain in my leg from the procedure. It's supposed to pour rain this evening on the way home and I don't care at all. I'm just so happy to be out of my stupid car. I even biked to the gym yesterday! WooHoo!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on October 21, 2019, 10:34:56 AM
I walk the 5.5 miles to and from work now rather than cycle, so I haven’t been able to post in this thread for a long while. I just wanted to say I hate cars and that you lot all completely rock. Keep up the good work and don’t let winter get you down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 21, 2019, 10:39:54 AM
I walk the 5.5 miles to and from work now rather than cycle, so I haven’t been able to post in this thread for a long while. I just wanted to say I hate cars and that you lot all completely rock. Keep up the good work and don’t let winter get you down.

Wow! How long does that take you?
I might consider walking on days where the plows move all the snow/ice to the side of the street where I ride.
The shortest walk for me would only be about 2.5 miles though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on October 21, 2019, 10:48:34 AM
Sorry I wasn’t very clear, that’s a round trip not each way. It’s about 50 minutes one way. It’s mainly across fields and bridlepaths. When I do have stretches of road I like to scowl as cars go past ruining my air :-) On the busy road near my work I’ve thought about carrying a sign saying “Journey less than 4 miles? Try walking instead” but am worried work wouldn’t like it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 22, 2019, 08:08:59 AM
Okay how do you all manage to stay upright when it's windy?!

It seems like once the wind is above ~20mph, it's very hard for me to bike. Yesterday I tried going home during my lunch break, and I was pedaling but my bike was literally not moving because the wind was blowing against me. When the wind was coming at my side, I felt like at any second I'd end up in the car lane with all the cars. Not to mention all the leaves, sticks, etc that were being blown all over the place and kept hitting my face and neck. You know when the wind is hitting your face so hard that it's hard to breathe? That was me. Had to find cover somewhere just to catch my breath! My friend had to give me a ride, and my friend gave me a ride again this morning because the winds are going to be about the same and I didn't want to risk it. I saw someone else say they usually ride until the wind is at about 40mph+. Do you just get better as you continue doing it? I figure there will be more windy days as the winter hits, and I just need to figure out what my transportation plan will be for those days.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 22, 2019, 08:23:13 AM
Be fatter.


Seriously, I'm about 200 lbs and have a much easier time dealing with crosswinds than my wife who is 100 lbs.  The wind in the face making it hard to breath is annoying, definitely run into that before.  It helps if you can pull a bandana or buff over your nose from time to time.  You do kinda get better at handling the bike over time as well.

If you have deep section rims, you'll find that switching to smaller ones will make the steering less twitchy in the wind.  I notice a difference even going from relatively shallow 32mm on my summer bike to 18 mm rims on my winter bike.  I run slightly wider handlebars (41 cm instead of 39) and have a longer wheelbase on the winter bike too . . . all of which makes handling more stable.  Tighter fitting clothing catches less wind as it gusts, which will push you around a little bit less too.  Every little bit helps on the ice and in the wind.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on October 22, 2019, 08:34:40 AM
Personally, low-20's mph winds are about the highest I would want to bike in, especially if in traffic. (With exception to a 20-mph tailwind— those are great!)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 22, 2019, 09:20:10 AM
Be fatter.

Oh man, shots fired lol.
I was wondering why wind doesn't affect me much at 240 pounds!

Last week we had a lot of high winds (enough to knock down old trees) and I (almost literally) flew to work.
I chalked it up to the new rear wheel that I had built for me and all that leg power I've been building.
It wasn't until the way home that I realized I had a tailwind earlier haha.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 22, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
Yes, wind would be fine if it were always a tailwind. Once I traveled the bike way on the north side of I-80 between West Sacramento and Davis. Riding out to Davis was fine, but riding back was difficult because the westbound traffic on I-80 created a dusty headwind. I rode as close to the left edge of the pavement as I could to get out of that wind - only moving over to the right side (closest to the barricade between the freeway and the bike way) when approaching oncoming traffic.

Be fatter.
I suppose just carrying more weight on the bike might help, but having body weight to shift around to maintain your balance is helpful.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on October 22, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
Personally, low-20's mph winds are about the highest I would want to bike in, especially if in traffic. (With exception to a 20-mph tailwind— those are great!)

A tailwind sounds like a mythical creature.

It seems that no matter which direction I'm biking, the wind is against me. XD
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 22, 2019, 10:25:50 AM
Personally, low-20's mph winds are about the highest I would want to bike in, especially if in traffic. (With exception to a 20-mph tailwind— those are great!)

That makes me feel a little better.

Unfortunately I don't think I'll be gaining much weight anytime soon (been losing weight) and same as @EscapedApe - I never seem to get a tailwind!

I might just be SOL on super windy days lol.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 22, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
You'll get better about riding in wind. It's also important to note that steady wind is different from gusting wind. The former sucks your energy and requires grinding away at a low gear. It's similar to learning to ride uphill. The latter creates a balance problem because it feels like an invisible hand is trying to push you over. There've been days when it was gusting so strongly I got off and walked because I was concerned about falling.

If gaining a bunch of weight isn't an option (LOL) try making the bike heavier. My aluminum hybrid commuter handles way better in wind than my fancy pants carbon road bike. The carbon bike is just too light, and has those annoying deep rim wheels that just act like sails in a crosswind.

Another option is to try to find a more sheltered route. Going through the trees, or through densely built up streets will shelter you from the worst of the wind. Riding on an open street will be more difficult because you'll be subject to the full effect of the wind. Of course, be very careful not to be hit by falling branches.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 22, 2019, 11:56:27 AM
Okay how do you all manage to stay upright when it's windy?!

It seems like once the wind is above ~20mph, it's very hard for me to bike. Yesterday I tried going home during my lunch break, and I was pedaling but my bike was literally not moving because the wind was blowing against me. When the wind was coming at my side, I felt like at any second I'd end up in the car lane with all the cars. Not to mention all the leaves, sticks, etc that were being blown all over the place and kept hitting my face and neck. You know when the wind is hitting your face so hard that it's hard to breathe? That was me. Had to find cover somewhere just to catch my breath! My friend had to give me a ride, and my friend gave me a ride again this morning because the winds are going to be about the same and I didn't want to risk it. I saw someone else say they usually ride until the wind is at about 40mph+. Do you just get better as you continue doing it? I figure there will be more windy days as the winter hits, and I just need to figure out what my transportation plan will be for those days.
Get small and ride in a less upright position. Making yourself more aerodynamic will make it easier to pedal as the wind speeds pick up, but you may just have to ease off and deal with moving slower.

"At higher speeds it is air resistance that consumes almost your entire power output. Travelling at about 20mph, up to 90% of your effort is used to overcome the air resistance..."
"The cyclist causes about 80% of the air resistance (drag)..."

https://road.cc/content/feature/189104-how-get-more-aero-without-spending-fortune

Rolling resistance is also a real thing. I switched over to some 28mm GP5000TL tires and was setting PRs on Strava immediately after: 
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/continental-gatorskin-2015
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 22, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
You'll get better about riding in wind. It's also important to note that steady wind is different from gusting wind. The former sucks your energy and requires grinding away at a low gear. It's similar to learning to ride uphill. The latter creates a balance problem because it feels like an invisible hand is trying to push you over. There've been days when it was gusting so strongly I got off and walked because I was concerned about falling.

If gaining a bunch of weight isn't an option (LOL) try making the bike heavier. My aluminum hybrid commuter handles way better in wind than my fancy pants carbon road bike. The carbon bike is just too light, and has those annoying deep rim wheels that just act like sails in a crosswind.

Another option is to try to find a more sheltered route. Going through the trees, or through densely built up streets will shelter you from the worst of the wind. Riding on an open street will be more difficult because you'll be subject to the full effect of the wind. Of course, be very careful not to be hit by falling branches.

Yeah I'm used to riding in steady wind, I just turn my gears down. Yesterday and today it's been gusting wind. I ride a mountain bike so it's already on the heavier side, I think any heavier and I'd have a hard time going up hills haha! My route is a bike path that's lined on both sides by trees. But when I get off the bike path, it's in downtown and all the buildings create the opposite affect - it's like going through a wind tunnel, lol. I'm also right off the lake so that can increase the wind effects as well. Yesterday, after the wind subsided and I rode back home, the bike path was full of fallen branches so that's definitely a valid tip.

_____

I actually just read more about the wind today, and the steady wind is at about 20-25mph, with gusting winds over 45mph. Now that really makes sense as to why I could barely even walk my bike let alone ride it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 22, 2019, 03:36:19 PM
Personally, low-20's mph winds are about the highest I would want to bike in, especially if in traffic. (With exception to a 20-mph tailwind— those are great!)

A tailwind sounds like a mythical creature.

It seems that no matter which direction I'm biking, the wind is against me. XD
A headwind still beats a strong, gusty crosswind.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 25, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
Anyone else feel like the status of their FIRE plan impacts their pedaling power output? An ebike or tandem may mask the issue.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 25, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
I was out biking in steady winds of 25mph with gusts up to 40mph today - I was on a longtail, with my 50lb daughter on the back, and fully loaded with groceries. It was 1st gear up the hill into the head wind with burning thighs! But when we turned the corner the crosswinds weren't at all bad (way better then if it had just been me on my commuter bike) - but our combined weight was around 270-300lbs including bike.   Added weight really does help keep you from blowing sideways and away.

Side note - I really want an e-cargo bike...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 26, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
I noticed the weight thing especially while riding a loaded touring bike.  Front racked lowrider panniers help keep your bike feeling stable in really high winds.  It's crazy how much difference it makes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 26, 2019, 08:32:10 PM
Guess who just got lasik and can now see when on the bike?? :D
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 27, 2019, 01:50:44 AM
Guess who just got lasik and can now see when on the bike?? :D
Yay!!
I hope it went smoothly and that your recovery is fast. Mine took maybe a week to get over the worst of the sensitivity and a couple of months for the dryness. I have lots of techniques honed for dealing with dry eyes if that becomes a problem for you.

Overall it was money very well spent for me.
I hope it is the same for you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 27, 2019, 01:54:30 AM
I needed fenders for my bike and finally called my bike shop about two weeks ago to ask about what they have for my bike. I had also glanced online but wanted to compare prices. They said they would look into it and call me the next day.

A week goes by and still no call, and I started to wonder. Then I get a call that my fenders are in and I can pick them up. I ask about the price and it was about what I remember seeing online, so I shrug my shoulders and go in.

Thank goodness. I got them to install for me. It took the three guys in the shop an hour and a phone call to the manufacturer to get the back fender to play nicely with my bike rack.

In the end when ringing me up I was informed I get 20% off parts due to being employed by XYZ. And the install was free. Sweet!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: LittleWanderer on October 27, 2019, 07:17:14 AM
Guess who just got lasik and can now see when on the bike?? :D

Oh, I'm so jealous!  Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 27, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
I needed fenders for my bike and finally called my bike shop about two weeks ago to ask about what they have for my bike. I had also glanced online but wanted to compare prices. They said they would look into it and call me the next day.

A week goes by and still no call, and I started to wonder. Then I get a call that my fenders are in and I can pick them up. I ask about the price and it was about what I remember seeing online, so I shrug my shoulders and go in.

Thank goodness. I got them to install for me. It took the three guys in the shop an hour and a phone call to the manufacturer to get the back fender to play nicely with my bike rack.

In the end when ringing me up I was informed I get 20% off parts due to being employed by XYZ. And the install was free. Sweet!

Jealous! I am getting my fenders on tomorrow. I might have to throw my bike in the car and drive there if it snows any more. But if it's just cold, maybe I will try out my new Primaloft cycling tights :-). They are going to charge $35 to install them while I drink overpriced coffee in the adorable attached coffee shop.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 27, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
It's usually not that hard to install fenders on your own.  I've installed six or seven different sets for people.  It's just a matter of bolting stuff into the eyelets.  The most complicated part is usually if you need to use a longer screw because the same eyelets are also holding on a rack.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 27, 2019, 09:39:44 PM
It's usually not that hard to install fenders on your own.  I've installed six or seven different sets for people.  It's just a matter of bolting stuff into the eyelets.  The most complicated part is usually if you need to use a longer screw because the same eyelets are also holding on a rack.

:P
That is what I figured also and thought I could pick them up and do it at home, but they were happy to install for me.
I’m pretty sure if the bike shop guys were struggling then there was something trickier about my setup.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 28, 2019, 10:54:25 AM
It's usually not that hard to install fenders on your own.  I've installed six or seven different sets for people.  It's just a matter of bolting stuff into the eyelets.  The most complicated part is usually if you need to use a longer screw because the same eyelets are also holding on a rack.

:P
That is what I figured also and thought I could pick them up and do it at home, but they were happy to install for me.
I’m pretty sure if the bike shop guys were struggling then there was something trickier about my setup.

Don't feel bad. I can also usually install fenders and racks myself but recently took Spawn2's new bike to the shop after a failed rack DIY install. Turns out they used a 2nd piece of hardware to make it fit. Of course the rack only came with one piece of this hardware, so there was no way I'd have been able to get it to work at home. Her bike is the smallest adult size and getting the rack to fit so it was level, but wasn't interfering with the V-brakes was a problem.

Also, I'm back to squatting here because apparently plague season has arrived with a vengeance. No biking for me until I can get this cold/asthma flare up under control.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 28, 2019, 11:05:06 AM
Side note - I really want an e-cargo bike...
A Radwagon showed up at the bike racks at work today - that's the first cargo bike I'd be looking at if I could actually justify getting a cargo bike.


It's usually not that hard to install fenders on your own.  I've installed six or seven different sets for people.  It's just a matter of bolting stuff into the eyelets.  The most complicated part is usually if you need to use a longer screw because the same eyelets are also holding on a rack.
Certainly many bikes are easy to install fenders on, but I'm sure you're aware of exceptions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 28, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
Guess who just got lasik and can now see when on the bike?? :D
Yay!!
I hope it went smoothly and that your recovery is fast. Mine took maybe a week to get over the worst of the sensitivity and a couple of months for the dryness. I have lots of techniques honed for dealing with dry eyes if that becomes a problem for you.

Overall it was money very well spent for me.
I hope it is the same for you.

Guess who just got lasik and can now see when on the bike?? :D

Oh, I'm so jealous!  Enjoy!!

Thanks! Without a doubt the most increase in quality of life per dollar spent thus far.
I biked to work for the first time since the procedure and it was so wonderful being able to see everything.

ysette9, I'll be sure to reach out if I have problems with dry eyes. Thanks!
Right now, they have me taking these pills for it and using artificial tears.
I get crazy bad burning every now and then but it seems to go away with time.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 28, 2019, 11:58:30 AM
It's usually not that hard to install fenders on your own.  I've installed six or seven different sets for people.  It's just a matter of bolting stuff into the eyelets.  The most complicated part is usually if you need to use a longer screw because the same eyelets are also holding on a rack.
Certainly many bikes are easy to install fenders on, but I'm sure you're aware of exceptions.

There's almost nothing that some duct tape and zip ties can't fix.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 28, 2019, 01:24:19 PM
Side note - I really want an e-cargo bike...
A Radwagon showed up at the bike racks at work today - that's the first cargo bike I'd be looking at if I could actually justify getting a cargo bike.

Oh, I've already justified getting a cargo bike (actually 2)... I (or the hubby) regularly carry 1-3 kids, and their paraphenalia (stroller, diaper bag, picnic, the oldests bike, scooters), and of course we get lots of groceries/errands by bike.

The kids just keep getting heavier, I want electric assist. It's starting to be a bit of a barrier to how far I'm willing to ride... and it can either be carry the 6 year old - or take 2x as long navigating her on her own bike.

And in other news - there were 5 bike tracks ahead of me on my short commute today - note it was lightly snowed, -10C temperature but with wind of 30km/h and gusts upward of 50... the windchill was -20. I needed goggles! Everything else was fairly protected from the wind but I was teary, snowed, iced up eyelashes by the time I got to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: acepedro45 on October 29, 2019, 02:31:47 PM
I'm in need of a pick-me-up. My bike, trailer and three helmets were stolen this weekend.

This was my stupid fault as I left them all sitting overnight in a playground but still. Nothing hugely expensive. I had planned on retiring the bike soon anyways.

I commuted to work today in a 21 mpg minivan like all the other Consuma Suckas. I think about rebuilding my rig and feel a little sad that someone out there is riding around with my stuff.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 29, 2019, 04:40:43 PM
Ah, that is sad. Can you set up a search on FB marketplace and Craigslist for anew trailer? I got really lucky and got mine for free from someone who was moving.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on October 29, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
I'm in need of a pick-me-up. My bike, trailer and three helmets were stolen this weekend.

This was my stupid fault as I left them all sitting overnight in a playground but still. Nothing hugely expensive. I had planned on retiring the bike soon anyways.

I commuted to work today in a 21 mpg minivan like all the other Consuma Suckas. I think about rebuilding my rig and feel a little sad that someone out there is riding around with my stuff.
Can you count it as a charitable donation? Theft is actually deductible: https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc515
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: acepedro45 on October 30, 2019, 07:31:24 AM
Ah, that is sad. Can you set up a search on FB marketplace and Craigslist for anew trailer? I got really lucky and got mine for free from someone who was moving.
I've already been watching CL and FB hoping to see my own stuff for sale. But yeah, hoping to pick up a beater bike later this week. Once I have that, I'll start shopping for a used trailer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on October 30, 2019, 11:58:08 AM
Thanks! Without a doubt the most increase in quality of life per dollar spent thus far.
I biked to work for the first time since the procedure and it was so wonderful being able to see everything.

ysette9, I'll be sure to reach out if I have problems with dry eyes. Thanks!
Right now, they have me taking these pills for it and using artificial tears.
I get crazy bad burning every now and then but it seems to go away with time.

Hey. I've just hit 3 years after having had LASIK, and it was the best decision I ever made.

Depending on where you live (dry or windy climate), you'll want to carry a little bottle of artificial tears with you for the first couple of months. After that the chronic dryness should pass.

Having corrected vision is definitely amazing, but biking without glasses or contacts really does bring the experience to a whole new level. Now you can even go on a long-distant all-day ride without having to worry about itchiness or irritation from contacts or glasses.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 30, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
Thanks! Without a doubt the most increase in quality of life per dollar spent thus far.
I biked to work for the first time since the procedure and it was so wonderful being able to see everything.

ysette9, I'll be sure to reach out if I have problems with dry eyes. Thanks!
Right now, they have me taking these pills for it and using artificial tears.
I get crazy bad burning every now and then but it seems to go away with time.

Hey. I've just hit 3 years after having had LASIK, and it was the best decision I ever made.

Depending on where you live (dry or windy climate), you'll want to carry a little bottle of artificial tears with you for the first couple of months. After that the chronic dryness should pass.

Having corrected vision is definitely amazing, but biking without glasses or contacts really does bring the experience to a whole new level. Now you can even go on a long-distant all-day ride without having to worry about itchiness or irritation from contacts or glasses.

I’m in central NJ, USA. It’s not very dry here but can get windy at times.
I hear more and more how important it is to keep the eyes lubricated.

They told me to keep using the artificial tears for the first month but I think I’ll take your advice and buy my own bottle when the ones they gave me run out.

I use safety glasses on the bike now and think I’ll continue doing so.

I can’t wait to go snowboarding for the first time with vision this winter!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 30, 2019, 01:44:42 PM
Thanks! Without a doubt the most increase in quality of life per dollar spent thus far.
I biked to work for the first time since the procedure and it was so wonderful being able to see everything.

ysette9, I'll be sure to reach out if I have problems with dry eyes. Thanks!
Right now, they have me taking these pills for it and using artificial tears.
I get crazy bad burning every now and then but it seems to go away with time.

Hey. I've just hit 3 years after having had LASIK, and it was the best decision I ever made.

Depending on where you live (dry or windy climate), you'll want to carry a little bottle of artificial tears with you for the first couple of months. After that the chronic dryness should pass.

Having corrected vision is definitely amazing, but biking without glasses or contacts really does bring the experience to a whole new level. Now you can even go on a long-distant all-day ride without having to worry about itchiness or irritation from contacts or glasses.

I’m in central NJ, USA. It’s not very dry here but can get windy at times.
I hear more and more how important it is to keep the eyes lubricated.

They told me to keep using the artificial tears for the first month but I think I’ll take your advice and buy my own bottle when the ones they gave me run out.

I use safety glasses on the bike now and think I’ll continue doing so.

I can’t wait to go snowboarding for the first time with vision this winter!
Systane is more expensive than other drops but I found it is significantly better. Longer lasting and does a better job of making the eye feel comfortable. Spend the money on this one and skip the cheap generic drops.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on October 30, 2019, 07:53:14 PM
Systane is more expensive than other drops but I found it is significantly better. Longer lasting and does a better job of making the eye feel comfortable. Spend the money on this one and skip the cheap generic drops.

I appreciate the recommendation! I’ll definitely check them out.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on October 30, 2019, 08:19:03 PM
Systane is more expensive than other drops but I found it is significantly better. Longer lasting and does a better job of making the eye feel comfortable. Spend the money on this one and skip the cheap generic drops.

I appreciate the recommendation! I’ll definitely check them out.
If I can keep throwing stuff at you, I struggle with dry eyes unrelated to LASIK. The single best thing that helps me is fish oil capsules twice a a day. Go for the Burp Less variety. ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 31, 2019, 08:59:34 AM
First colder bike ride this morning (meaning I needed to wear a jacket - I also layered my new bike pants over my work clothes for the first time).  I feel like it's actually empowering and invigorating to bike in weather like that, as long as you're 'armored up' properly in gear.  I'm not sure how bad the weather needs to be for me not to feel that way, but it seems a bit reminiscent to how I feel when skiing.  Cold rain on my face might be where I don't feel great about it, since I don't have a way to waterproof my face.

Now, I'm not going to pretend that it was bad weather by any stretch...just in the 40s with no precipitation.  I'm not sure if I could manage to bike very far in what I just experienced in Denver during a trip this week - snowing, icy, and 5 degrees F.  Of course, people weren't even driving much in that weather either.  Kudos to those of you who soldier on through weather like that; I think the road conditions would scare me even if I geared up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on October 31, 2019, 09:08:40 AM
Biked in the snow for the first time this morning. Not too bad but it's definitely a lot harder to brake and I need some goggles because it's very hard to see when the snow is flying into your eyes every time you attempt to look up at the road. One day I will be able to invest in a bike with disc brakes and I will not need to drag my foot on the ground to slow down... Hahaha.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 31, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
Congrats both of you! I love biking in the colder weather, it's amazing what you can get used to.

Yep rim brakes aren't great in wet cold weather - like an active snow storm. But they usually work the rest of the time. I miss my disc brakes. Using legs to stop, and as ballasts in the ice can work great.

Winter biking requires some creativity, both in what to wear and how to go about it. Conditions can vary alot from cold and dry, to very wet heavy slushy snirty stuff, to just plain slick ice - my route actually varies base on the conditions, and there is some skill involved, it took me at least a winter to feel comfortable biking in somewhat deep snow. The lighter stuff is nicer than the heavier stuff.  When it's dry or just icy I take my regular route (but I have studs, so icy isn't really that slippery), when it's a lot of new snow I might take the major road that's plowed and has two lanes so cars can pass easily - usually they are going so slow that I can keep up in really bad conditions - and everyone gives you lots of space, like you'll slip under their tires if the blink.  If it's slushy/melty or lighter new snow I take a longer route with a lot of alleys, and connect with a plowed bike path.

I've now biked in my winter boots, and an extra sweater under my shell... I've forgotten how much hungrier you get in the winter. I'm so grateful to my hindu coworker who keeps bringing samosa's for Diwali. Between the heavier boots, the increased snow resistance and the cold it's a calorie burning workout.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on October 31, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
Quick question on riding in the cold: I don't mind riding a few miles in the cold, and in fact I somewhat enjoy it. My commute though is 20 miles, and if it's anything below freezing my hands go completely numb and I'm oozing out major snotsicles by the time I arrive at work. Not personally fun. Anybody else experience these particular issues and find a way to prevent them?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 31, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
Quick question on riding in the cold: I don't mind riding a few miles in the cold, and in fact I somewhat enjoy it. My commute though is 20 miles, and if it's anything below freezing my hands go completely numb and I'm oozing out major snotsicles by the time I arrive at work. Not personally fun. Anybody else experience these particular issues and find a way to prevent them?

Below freezing temperatures, you always need to cover your face.  Use a scarf, buff, balaclava, whatever.  But your face needs to be covered.

If your hands are going numb, you might benefit from heavier gloves.  When it gets -10 or -20, I use a pair of jogging gloves inside of a pair of ski gloves.  (This way I can keep my hands covered while I am doing stuff that requires more dexterity - locking up/unlocking.)  Some people swear by pogies or lobster gloves as well.  But one secret I discovered is:

Keep your core warm.

My core always feels fine, but if I don't have enough clothing over my torso, my toes, nose, ears, and fingers freeze.  If I am very warm at my core, I can wear less stuff on my hands/feet and still feel comfortable.  So try dressing a little warmer over your upper body and see if the problem goes away.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 31, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
Quick question on riding in the cold: I don't mind riding a few miles in the cold, and in fact I somewhat enjoy it. My commute though is 20 miles, and if it's anything below freezing my hands go completely numb and I'm oozing out major snotsicles by the time I arrive at work. Not personally fun. Anybody else experience these particular issues and find a way to prevent them?

20 miles is far in the cold, I've only done a 19km, but I'd only go in one way, bus home and then bike home the next day.  I find that if I can keep my hands warm to start with (while doing all the dextrous things) then put mitts on my hands stay warmer longer. If they start out cold because of loading/unlocking my bike... they never warm up.  I wear merino glove liners, and then ski mitts, or heavy duty sheepskin mitts overtop of the liners. Bar mitts are on my list of things I'd like this year, and some people around in my town swear by electric or chemical heated gloves/socks toe warmers etc. You can also wrap you handlebar in something insulating - like foam. My ski mitts don't have a lot of padding in the palm so I think about doing this every once and a while, but then I just wear the sheepskin mitts.

As for my face, I have a wool cycling hat that pulls down over the ears, and a heavy duty neck warmer. I don't as of yet ride with goggles. I have glasses that easily fog up, and so I'm constantly pulling my neck warmer up and down - up over my nose when I'm riding into the wind, down if the winds at my back, or if I stop for a light. I also have a pare of gloves with a nose wipe spot, so there's that.

Right now my commute isn't very far, so I tend to underdress the core, and over dress the extremities. I'm biking in dress clothes so avoiding a sweat drenched shirt is kind of high on my list. I do pack a down vest in case I get stopped/stuck/have to walk anywhere because I know I'm not actually dressed very warm to be outside and stationary.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on October 31, 2019, 02:26:26 PM
Any difficulties with the shifting mechanisms from the thick gloves? That's the primary reason I haven't gone to them yet (been using thin gloves), but maybe I need to just get over my hesitation and go for it. It took me a while to figure out how to shift with numb hands on the integrated upshift/downshift levers, but its doable, so I guess thick gloves probably work similarly.

As for the face, I have been wearing a balaclava, but it still comes out a snotty mess by the end. Perhaps my nasal issues are a somewhat unique problem that will either go away with experience or become a badge of pride down the road.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 31, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
I do know that there is one guy who comments on my hometown cycling forum that complains vociferously of wheel suckers in the winter time, because he can't blow snot out his nostrils behind him like he likes to - or he'll hit them (some would say they deserve it). 
I'm sure there's a better slang word for that, but it escapes me.

As for shifting, I have a twist shift on one bike, and a thumb/forefinger trigger shift on the winter cargo bike... twist shifts are pretty awesome for mittens.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 31, 2019, 03:47:49 PM
Keep your core warm.

My core always feels fine, but if I don't have enough clothing over my torso, my toes, nose, ears, and fingers freeze.  If I am very warm at my core, I can wear less stuff on my hands/feet and still feel comfortable.  So try dressing a little warmer over your upper body and see if the problem goes away.
Yep, if your core is not warm enough your body simply won't circulate enough blood to your extremities to keep them warm at all.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 31, 2019, 04:19:47 PM
Any difficulties with the shifting mechanisms from the thick gloves? That's the primary reason I haven't gone to them yet (been using thin gloves), but maybe I need to just get over my hesitation and go for it. It took me a while to figure out how to shift with numb hands on the integrated upshift/downshift levers, but its doable, so I guess thick gloves probably work similarly.

As for the face, I have been wearing a balaclava, but it still comes out a snotty mess by the end. Perhaps my nasal issues are a somewhat unique problem that will either go away with experience or become a badge of pride down the road.

You'll probably have an easier time shifting with warm hands wearing thick gloves, than with numb hands. Either way, try riding around the block with the thicker gloves to start. That way there's no pressure to actually get anywhere. Although I didn't love the brifters on my road bike while wearing thicker gloves, I could still manage. The gloves were a 2 part system of thinner liners plus an waterproof outer. Gave me better dexterity than thick ski gloves.

As for the sniffles, I find I sniffle less when I'm warm enough. Sounds like you're underdressed and it may be making your nose run more.

I biked partway today! It was only 3C and I didn't have my face warmer on (need to find it) so my lungs burned the whole way. Asthma inflammation + cold air + coughing wasn't fun, but was still better than being stuck in traffic.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 31, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
I biked partway today! It was only 3C and I didn't have my face warmer on (need to find it) so my lungs burned the whole way. Asthma inflammation + cold air + coughing wasn't fun, but was still better than being stuck in traffic.
3 C = 37.4 F. That's a bit warmer than it's been here for my morning commute. I don't have trouble without a face covering at that temperature (but I don't have asthma).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 31, 2019, 06:33:33 PM
Any difficulties with the shifting mechanisms from the thick gloves? That's the primary reason I haven't gone to them yet (been using thin gloves), but maybe I need to just get over my hesitation and go for it. It took me a while to figure out how to shift with numb hands on the integrated upshift/downshift levers, but its doable, so I guess thick gloves probably work similarly.

As for the face, I have been wearing a balaclava, but it still comes out a snotty mess by the end. Perhaps my nasal issues are a somewhat unique problem that will either go away with experience or become a badge of pride down the road.

Yes.  Shifters are definitely something you have to keep in mind when choosing gloves.

I will use my summer bike until about -4 or -5 C.  At that point I'm running a small pair of jogging gloves under a larger pair of the same, and shifting works OK.  Below that I run into troubles because I need more over my fingers.

I use bar end shifters on my winter road bike because I can't work the STI shifters with heavy gloves.  Bar ends you can shift even with mittens on.  When I was using a flat bar I found that Shimano's trigger shifters were pretty easy to shift with heavy gloves.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on November 01, 2019, 07:04:12 AM
I have mittens that I think were labeled for nordic skiing - they're split in between the first and middle fingers, so my forefinger is solo and this happens to be exactly how I hold my hands on my bars. With these over a pair of regular gloves I've been able to use Shimano integrated shifters and my brakes without trouble. I used regular mittens a few times and it was still doable but took a little practice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 01, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
I was complaining about it being cold this morning but I think it was about 6*C. I can’t fathom these truly cold temps you are talking about. Today I put a hoodie under my bike jacket, gloves, and these goofy ear cover things.


https://www.amazon.com/Earbags-Bandless-Fleece-Warmers-Medium/dp/B0027BFOQK/ref=asc_df_B0027BFOQK/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60294405337&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 02, 2019, 06:42:58 PM
I dropped my bike at the bike shop today, studs are going on (I have a full chain guard, internal hub and dynamo lighting... that's a little too much for me to work around to switch the tires myself besides I want my LBS cargo bike shop to stay in business)..  I also splurged on some bar mitts and a much thicker studded tire for the rear wheel on the cargo bike. Right now it's definitely a trade off to switch to studs on the extracycle... ride quality & comfort drops with the narrower tire - I'm so glad someone convinced schwalbe to make a 2.15" studded tire.  Note we aren't wasting the thinner tire, at 20" it'll fit on my daughters bike :) - it's time to start her learning how to ride in the ice and snow!

I'll report back on what learning to ride with bar mitts is like, I'm a little worried about bell use and signalling.



Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 03, 2019, 11:18:19 AM
Another nice article on the benefits of e-biking.  Always good to see these, especially since (even in biking-'woke' places like this) there are people with significant prejudices against e-bikes.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2404475/riding-e-bike-not-cheating

By the way, I don't think that all e-bikes are great - my biggest fear is of people abusing the system with overpowered, non-street-legal e-bikes (since there's basically no enforcement right now in the USA), causing the hammer to drop on all e-bikes.  People building and riding bikes like that need to suck it up and register/drive them as motor vehicles. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 03, 2019, 01:33:08 PM
Another nice article on the benefits of e-biking.  Always good to see these, especially since (even in biking-'woke' places like this) there are people with significant prejudices against e-bikes.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2404475/riding-e-bike-not-cheating

By the way, I don't think that all e-bikes are great - my biggest fear is of people abusing the system with overpowered, non-street-legal e-bikes (since there's basically no enforcement right now in the USA), causing the hammer to drop on all e-bikes.  People building and riding bikes like that need to suck it up and register/drive them as motor vehicles.
Good article. It very much lined up with my anecdotal experience. I ride as much as I can now and all to destinations I would otherwise go to in a car. The one thing that is missing though is why: I think riding an ebike is so much fun!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 03, 2019, 03:25:28 PM
Another nice article on the benefits of e-biking.  Always good to see these, especially since (even in biking-'woke' places like this) there are people with significant prejudices against e-bikes.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any put downs of e-bikes on this site. My observation is similar to the one made in the article: many of the people I've spoken with IRL who are riding e-bikes are replacing car-miles, not bike-miles.

I have made the observation that I get an uncanny (and perhaps momentarily jealous) countenance when getting passed by somebody on an e-bike, but I think that's because e-bikes are not yet ubiquitous and hence there's some cognitive dissonance for a few moments (holy shit I suck! oh wait, that's probably an e-bike).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 04, 2019, 09:10:50 AM
Another nice article on the benefits of e-biking.  Always good to see these, especially since (even in biking-'woke' places like this) there are people with significant prejudices against e-bikes.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any put downs of e-bikes on this site. My observation is similar to the one made in the article: many of the people I've spoken with IRL who are riding e-bikes are replacing car-miles, not bike-miles.

I have made the observation that I get an uncanny (and perhaps momentarily jealous) countenance when getting passed by somebody on an e-bike, but I think that's because e-bikes are not yet ubiquitous and hence there's some cognitive dissonance for a few moments (holy shit I suck! oh wait, that's probably an e-bike).

There was a protracted discussion in another thread - I don't recall where and there's not any real reason to dredge it up - where a poster lambasted e-bike riders as 'further evidence of the increasing laziness of Americans.'  His/her opinion was predicated upon the assumption that e-bike miles were largely replacing bike miles for now-lazy bike riders.

Personally, I ride my e-bike everywhere and my car now gathers cobwebs.  Literally. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 04, 2019, 09:20:42 AM
Haha, yes! The cobwebs collect on my side view mirrors and I can never seem to get rid of them.

Maybe if I washed my poor car a little more frequently...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 04, 2019, 11:13:08 AM
I was complaining about it being cold this morning but I think it was about 6*C. I can’t fathom these truly cold temps you are talking about. Today I put a hoodie under my bike jacket, gloves, and these goofy ear cover things.


https://www.amazon.com/Earbags-Bandless-Fleece-Warmers-Medium/dp/B0027BFOQK/ref=asc_df_B0027BFOQK/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60294405337&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015

If you ever come to Canada, please leave those ear cover things at home. We will make fun of you ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 04, 2019, 11:48:53 AM
I was complaining about it being cold this morning but I think it was about 6*C. I can’t fathom these truly cold temps you are talking about. Today I put a hoodie under my bike jacket, gloves, and these goofy ear cover things.


https://www.amazon.com/Earbags-Bandless-Fleece-Warmers-Medium/dp/B0027BFOQK/ref=asc_df_B0027BFOQK/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60294405337&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312546984196&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11134050977122354089&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031915&hvtargid=pla-571670165015

If you ever come to Canada, please leave those ear cover things at home. We will make fun of you ;-)
My husband already does a good job of making fun of me. ;)

How would you handle keeping ears warm under a helmet in true cold country?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 04, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
When it gets below -15 I wear a windproof headband over my ears under a balaclava.  The balaclava prevents frostbite, but the wind will still blast through it.  The headband crushes your ears to the sides of your head which keep 'em warmer.

I also use packing tape to tape over the vents of my helmet, which makes your lid somewhat insulating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 05, 2019, 08:10:54 AM
Hats, we wear hats!

I have 3 combinations I wear under my helmet.  A light scull cap, a balaclava, and a thick double layer winter wool cycling cap.  They all cover my ears, the cycling cap does fold up and down over my ears as needed, it is nice to be able to let some heat out fast if I start to get to hot. Add a thin or thick neckwarmer that can be pulled up over my ears, and/or face and I'm all set. I should probably work out some goggles though for my eyes. 

You can also get winter ski helmets rated for biking too - they have fewer vents and ear warmers built in.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 05, 2019, 10:14:27 AM
Here in the Lotus Land of Canada I just wear a thin cycling toque under my helmet. When it gets close to 0C I add a thin neck/face warmer (Buff) and pull it partway up over my head so it doesn't slip off my face as I ride. Makes me look like a bandito ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 05, 2019, 06:31:57 PM
Welp, @ysette9 I'm with you  I wear these: https://www.amazon.com/180s-Womens-Keystone-Warmer-Black/dp/B0056ZAPWW?ref_=ast_bbp_dp
@TrMama Are those acceptable or still in the realm of "silly desert dweller"?  :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 05, 2019, 09:47:13 PM
Welp, @ysette9 I'm with you  I wear these: https://www.amazon.com/180s-Womens-Keystone-Warmer-Black/dp/B0056ZAPWW?ref_=ast_bbp_dp
@TrMama Are those acceptable or still in the realm of "silly desert dweller"?  :)
Dorky ear gear people unite!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 06, 2019, 09:27:18 AM
Welp, @ysette9 I'm with you  I wear these: https://www.amazon.com/180s-Womens-Keystone-Warmer-Black/dp/B0056ZAPWW?ref_=ast_bbp_dp
@TrMama Are those acceptable or still in the realm of "silly desert dweller"?  :)

Those are better, but I've still never understood the point of earmuffs. Why not just wear a hat and keep your entire head warm? ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 06, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
I always thought that earmuffs were to prevent your hair from getting flattened by the hat.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 06, 2019, 03:49:32 PM
Welp, @ysette9 I'm with you  I wear these: https://www.amazon.com/180s-Womens-Keystone-Warmer-Black/dp/B0056ZAPWW?ref_=ast_bbp_dp
@TrMama Are those acceptable or still in the realm of "silly desert dweller"?  :)

Those are better, but I've still never understood the point of earmuffs. Why not just wear a hat and keep your entire head warm? ;-)

Hats do not provide adequate ear protection. They generally do not cover the entire ear, especially if you wear glasses.

I suspect this is an issue only for people with unusually sensitive ears, like myself, but trust me--a hat cannot do the job of earmuffs. Or, as my younger child calls them, "ear puffs."
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 06, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
Welp, @ysette9 I'm with you  I wear these: https://www.amazon.com/180s-Womens-Keystone-Warmer-Black/dp/B0056ZAPWW?ref_=ast_bbp_dp
@TrMama Are those acceptable or still in the realm of "silly desert dweller"?  :)

Those are better, but I've still never understood the point of earmuffs. Why not just wear a hat and keep your entire head warm? ;-)

Hats do not provide adequate ear protection. They generally do not cover the entire ear, especially if you wear glasses.

I suspect this is an issue only for people with unusually sensitive ears, like myself, but trust me--a hat cannot do the job of earmuffs. Or, as my younger child calls them, "ear puffs."

A winter hat should completely cover both ears and the forehead completely.


Idiots:
(https://static1.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/how-to-wear-beanie-2.jpg)
(https://static.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/fishermanbeanie.jpg)


Correct winter hat usage:
(https://www.artechcanada.com/media/2017/10/Fashion-Winter-board-Toque-promotional-hats-artech-canada-custom-embroidery-barrie-orillia-toronto-peterborough-newmarket-vaughan-muskoka-model-1F073M.jpg)

Glasses should not impact winter hat usage (note that the hat is slightly incorrectly worn though as it could be further pulled down over the eyebrows):
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI5b6vSRP1KPQKRl0rnTC--C2MgOLwqtpRekBWs-J9w18Rxo4vUA&s)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 06, 2019, 08:43:18 PM
But try sticking a helmet over any of those and then you get into trouble. One of the thin bank robber masks would probably work though
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 07, 2019, 12:38:26 AM
Ha! I use "One of the thin bank robber masks" and when combined with the ear muffs my head is toasty warm and my helmet fits :)

@TrMama I do have a hat that is long (?) enough to cover my ears but it never seems to stay down. I was thinking I was all acclimated to my cold weather area (biking to work in 12F is normal in the winter) but now I think I need to go visit you and become an apprentice for a season ;)

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on November 07, 2019, 08:10:13 AM
Just popping in to say that this is what I look like biking in "feels like 7 degrees F" weather:

(https://i.imgur.com/FDj0bDn.jpg)

And I still wear my helmet over it. And I stay SO warm!!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 07, 2019, 08:26:43 AM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 07, 2019, 09:31:31 AM
Try a thin layer of vaseline over your nose/exposed skin (think fat keeps you warm ala english channel swimmers).  I have never been able to pull my balaclava up over my nose because it seriously fogs up my glasses.  When I was doing longer winter distances I'd do this, but now I just let it ice up a bit and look like icicles when I get to work. My super cold limit is around the 1 hour mark... I think I start to run out of steam to keep warm enough past that.

I should have sent you a pic from yesterday, I had my super warm wool biking cap, then helmet over top, then a thin buff which I pulled up and over the outside of my helmet, and around my mouth... and a thicker neck warmer I could bury my face in if the wind came up.

And yes, hats should always provide full coverage for your ears... dear god no one here wears a hat and earmuffs! A good winter toque and a hood though... that's a good combo.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 07, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.

Haha! Nailed it.
When it gets really cold I switch to ski goggles and the foam "gasket" keeps my nose a little bit warmer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on November 07, 2019, 10:45:47 AM
I'm struggling to remember my winter routine, but luckily it never gets below 2°C/35°F in the Bay Area for very long. At 10°C/50°F I start wearing some longer running pants and a light wind breaker instead of basketball shorts and an athletic shirt. I think when it gets below 5°C/41°F I start wearing some long underwear. My ride replaces any time I would spend at a gym, so I sweat to and from work - pedaling keeps me warm.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 07, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.

My brother swears by a mask like #5 in this article for snowboarding in super cold temps. https://www.outsidepursuits.com/best-balaclava-ski-masks/

I think his even has the crazy scary print. The holes around the mouth are important for letting all that wet air out.

Full disclosure, I live on the Canadian side of the PNW. We call it the SW Coast, or Lotus Land, because it's basically the Hawaii of Canada. However, I have lived in colder parts of the country, so I'm not a total poser. And it does get coldish here ;-)

@TrMama I do have a hat that is long (?) enough to cover my ears but it never seems to stay down. I was thinking I was all acclimated to my cold weather area (biking to work in 12F is normal in the winter) but now I think I need to go visit you and become an apprentice for a season ;)

Your hat might not be the right size. When it's below 0C here I wear a thin cycling toque and a thin Buff neck warmer with the neck warmer pulled partway up over my head. That means my ears are covered by 2 layers of fabric so even if the hat starts to slide up the neck warmer will still keep my ears warm.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 07, 2019, 12:24:01 PM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.
There are definitely upsides to my HCOL area, one of them being that this dance is not a thing. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 07, 2019, 01:49:05 PM
My brother swears by a mask like #5 in this article for snowboarding in super cold temps. https://www.outsidepursuits.com/best-balaclava-ski-masks/

I think his even has the crazy scary print. The holes around the mouth are important for letting all that wet air out.

Full disclosure, I live on the Canadian side of the PNW. We call it the SW Coast, or Lotus Land, because it's basically the Hawaii of Canada. However, I have lived in colder parts of the country, so I'm not a total poser. And it does get coldish here ;-)

@TrMama I do have a hat that is long (?) enough to cover my ears but it never seems to stay down. I was thinking I was all acclimated to my cold weather area (biking to work in 12F is normal in the winter) but now I think I need to go visit you and become an apprentice for a season ;)

Your hat might not be the right size. When it's below 0C here I wear a thin cycling toque and a thin Buff neck warmer with the neck warmer pulled partway up over my head. That means my ears are covered by 2 layers of fabric so even if the hat starts to slide up the neck warmer will still keep my ears warm.

Nice list, I have one similar to #3. I'll definitely keep the neck warmer in mind, thanks!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 07, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.

Yep. Reminds me of a "high-altitude mask" someone gave me one year for the Office Christmas Party (I believe he had gotten it for free as an Amazon reviewer). I really can't fathom that people would actually pay money for a device to suffocate oneself (outside of the autoerotica crowd).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on November 07, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
Too much exposed forehead.  :P



What I re-learn to hate every winter while doing a long ride with a balaclava is the slow suffocation effect:
- Temps drop super cold
- I put on my balaclava for cycling
- Everything's cool for the first 15 - 30 minutes
- Then my heavy breathing starts to cause the area in front of my lips and mouth to become waterlogged
- Then every breath starts to become a mixture of air and half frozen sweat/condensed breath
- Waterboarding commences
- To battle the waterboarding effect, I start pulling the mask down so that my nose is free
- SWEET SWEET OXYGEN
- OW, THE AIR BEING SUCKED INTO MY LUNGS IS TOO COLD
- OH GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY NOSE
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- now it's all gross and even wetter than before somehow
- SWEET JESUS, WE'VE ADDED COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FLOWING SNOT TO THE MIX
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
- *pulls mask down below nose*
- FUCK, IT'S COLD AGAIN.
- IS MY NOSE TURNING BLACK?
- *pulls mask back over nose*
- GARGLE GARGLE CHOKE
etc.

I've yet to make it past the 2 hr mark.

Lol!! Luckily my commute to work is only about 15 minutes long so I don't really deal with this. At the very end of the ride, it can get kinda steamy but by then I'm at work and taking it off completely anyway.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 07, 2019, 05:15:18 PM
I think I will not be biking in weather that is so cold I want to cover my nose. I hope. The coldest I have ever done is 14 degrees F but it was sunny and not windy and my nose was more or less OK. I do want to get something like a balaclava with a most-of-the-face opening so that my neck is well-protected. One continuous piece seems like the best way.

It is my lived experience that ear-specific covers are more satisfactory than hats. I would like to be accepted as the expert on my personal head.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: acepedro45 on November 08, 2019, 09:01:01 AM
Just a note to say that I have recovered from the debilitating theft of my bike, trailer and helmets. I rode in today on a brisk 31 degree day in fine style (should've remembered gloves though, brrrrr).

I got straightened out at the community bike shop in my neighborhood with a used commuter bike, replacement trailer and some helmets for $235.

Plus, I like supporting this bike shop. With a caseworker referral and $25, someone looking to get back on their feet can get a beater bike, helmet, lockup and lights from the shop, which I think is an awesome way to speed the biking revolution towards its logical terminal state of alleviating poverty, air pollution, obesity and depression for all of humanity.

Viva la revolucion!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 08, 2019, 11:33:56 AM
Just a note to say that I have recovered from the debilitating theft of my bike, trailer and helmets. I rode in today on a brisk 31 degree day in fine style (should've remembered gloves though, brrrrr).

I got straightened out at the community bike shop in my neighborhood with a used commuter bike, replacement trailer and some helmets for $235.

Plus, I like supporting this bike shop. With a caseworker referral and $25, someone looking to get back on their feet can get a beater bike, helmet, lockup and lights from the shop, which I think is an awesome way to speed the biking revolution towards its logical terminal state of alleviating poverty, air pollution, obesity and depression for all of humanity.

Viva la revolucion!

That's really cool! We have a shop where low-income adults can volunteer for 6 hours and get a free refurbished bike. Low-income kids can attend a bike rodeo to get one.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 09, 2019, 12:58:36 PM
@GuitarStv this might be of use to you:

https://www.coldbike.com/2019/02/13/heat-exchanger-masks-a-love-story/

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 10, 2019, 02:07:38 PM
There are definitely upsides to my HCOL area, one of them being that this dance is not a thing. :)

Yep... when it gets into the 50s F here I put on my helmet over a thin sweatshirt hood.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 10, 2019, 02:48:02 PM
Can I just say that I lost my ear-wrap thingie (I think I maybe left it in my sister's rental car hiking? We had three adults and kids ages 7, 8, and 9, and just too much gear) and the replacement I bought is just not satisfactory? It is too bulky. I am very sad. I will keep looking Everywhere for a lighter one.

My night rides are going OK so far but I don't love it. I'm just not convinced people can see me from behind, even though I have a cherry bomb light and reflective fenders and I literally bike in a reflective construction-type vest. Or people turning. If I ever get moved down, it's going to be someone making a left-hand turn across the bike lane.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 10, 2019, 02:52:02 PM
My night rides are going OK so far but I don't love it. I'm just not convinced people can see me from behind, even though I have a cherry bomb light and reflective fenders and I literally bike in a reflective construction-type vest. Or people turning. If I ever get moved down, it's going to be someone making a left-hand turn across the bike lane.

I've been feeling nervous about this too, now that DST is over. I just bought this light to wind around my bike frame, I believe on the recommendation from someone on this thread: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017GCSV2S/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_jReXDb3B6B4JK (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017GCSV2S/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_jReXDb3B6B4JK)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 10, 2019, 07:23:18 PM
I run multiple taillights, which I started because I've had my rear light go out on occasion than just for brightness . . . but it does make you more visible.  I've also put several cheap CR2032 powered LED lights on my backpack (you can pick 'em up for a couple dollars at the dollar store - I think they make them for putting on pet collars), and I'll turn them on when visibility is poor (snow/rain) and I'm out in the dark.  More the merrier.

If you're really concerned about how visible you are, get your wife/husband to ride your bike after dark down the street and see how visible things are from your car.  That's how I tested all the lighting and reflective stuff I've got to figure out what made the most sense to use.  My observations:
- Reflective stuff on the ankles is better than anywhere else.  The movement they generate really draws attention.
- Certain types of reflective stuff work better in different conditions.  You'll have to test out a variety to figure what works for the conditions you're cycling in.
- If you're running multiple lights, spread them out.  Try to put one high, one low, one right, and one left.  Keep your brightest one running solid, and the others flashing.  The flashing ones grab attention, but the solid one makes it easier for a driver to gauge distances.
- Unless you have reflective stuff on your gloves, there's no point signalling at night.
- Fluorescent clothing is best at around dusk, but not any better than any bright coloured stuff when it's pitch black.
- Standard bike reflectors are useless compared to modern bike lights.  Replace your reflectors with more lights if you have the option.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Coldbike on November 10, 2019, 08:50:04 PM
@GuitarStv this might be of use to you:

https://www.coldbike.com/2019/02/13/heat-exchanger-masks-a-love-story/

I'm the author of that article, I was surprised to see traffic on my blog coming from here!
I've spent a great deal of time with a bike sandwiched between my butt and snow, so I've developed a bunch of techniques for coping with the cold that goes with that. Anyway. I am available to answer questions about the masks or any other aspect of winter cycling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on November 11, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
- Unless you have reflective stuff on your gloves, there's no point signalling at night.

I have a couple of light-up snap bracelets for this purpose.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 13, 2019, 02:13:38 PM
I've been toying with the idea to get an inexpensive action camera for my biking (for safety/documentation) and kayaking.  Then, yesterday, I nearly had my first accident - someone veered out from a parking spot into the bike lane without looking.  They saw me at the last second (but were blocking the entire bike lane by that point), and I almost lost control of my bike while braking hard. 

Helped convince me to make the leap.  No, I don't really think it's going to make things a lot safer, but there are certainly cases where at least I'll have a good shot of the driver and license plate after they peel off, leaving me crumpled on the pavement.

Plus, I want to get some good kayaking shots.  Hopefully the cheapo Chinese GoPro knockoffs work as well as everyone reviewing them seems to indicate.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 13, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
I've been toying with the idea to get an inexpensive action camera for my biking (for safety/documentation) and kayaking.  Then, yesterday, I nearly had my first accident - someone veered out from a parking spot into the bike lane without looking.  They saw me at the last second (but were blocking the entire bike lane by that point), and I almost lost control of my bike while braking hard. 

Helped convince me to make the leap.  No, I don't really think it's going to make things a lot safer, but there are certainly cases where at least I'll have a good shot of the driver and license plate after they peel off, leaving me crumpled on the pavement.

Plus, I want to get some good kayaking shots.  Hopefully the cheapo Chinese GoPro knockoffs work as well as everyone reviewing them seems to indicate.

Do the police in your part of the world actually respond to "near miss" reports?

I live in an area that's covered by 3 different police forces. Depending on what part of town I'm in, responsibility could fall to one of 2 city police forces or the RCMP. The RCMP take near miss complaints seriously and will follow up with the driver (if you can give plate# and a decent description), but the city forces just blow me off completely. Video would only be helpful if it's taken seriously.

The one thing video might be more helpful with is if you're ever physically assaulted by another person. Even attempted assault is a crime so hopefully it would help and it'd give the police a better description of the person(s). Or better yet, maybe an obvious camera would simply deter anyone considering beating you up.

If you want a toy for kayaking, that's a totally different discussion ;-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: 35andFI on November 14, 2019, 07:44:55 AM
Cold commute this morning at 20F (-7C).

I overdressed up top with a sweatshirt and windbreaker
Underdressed my hands with two pairs of thin gloves
Did just right with my feet with cycling shoes and thick socks
Did just right with my legs with compression pants and workout pants
Did just right with my head with a winter hat, safety glasses, and the hoods over my head

Planning on bringing my snowboarding gloves back to my place from my parents next time I visit and maybe just wearing the windbreaker next time.

I'm learning.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 14, 2019, 07:57:15 AM
Discovered a new benefit of bike commuting last night. You'll have lots of extra lights on hand for when the power goes out. Hooked my extra bright front light onto the kitchen cabinet pull so I could see well enough to cook dinner last night. Then used the less bright one to read before bed.

Note to self: Buy more batteries and candles . . .

Old post but just jumping in here to say - using an ebike battery with USB port, a person can keep their phone or tablet or lights charged for a long time in case of a storm event that knocks out power.

Google says 19.2 WH to charge a phone. 674 WH (my battery) / 19.2 = 35 days. Of course the low voltage cut off would prevent accessing the whole 674 WH I'd guess.

A his and her pair of ebikes would be a nice tool for storms.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 14, 2019, 12:03:36 PM
Discovered a new benefit of bike commuting last night. You'll have lots of extra lights on hand for when the power goes out. Hooked my extra bright front light onto the kitchen cabinet pull so I could see well enough to cook dinner last night. Then used the less bright one to read before bed.

Note to self: Buy more batteries and candles . . .

Old post but just jumping in here to say - using an ebike battery with USB port, a person can keep their phone or tablet or lights charged for a long time in case of a storm event that knocks out power.

Google says 19.2 WH to charge a phone. 674 WH (my battery) / 19.2 = 35 days. Of course the low voltage cut off would prevent accessing the whole 674 WH I'd guess.

A his and her pair of ebikes would be a nice tool for storms.

I have a car battery charger that has a USB port. Haven't used for this purpose but in theory, it should work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 14, 2019, 01:27:54 PM

Do the police in your part of the world actually respond to "near miss" reports?

I live in an area that's covered by 3 different police forces. Depending on what part of town I'm in, responsibility could fall to one of 2 city police forces or the RCMP. The RCMP take near miss complaints seriously and will follow up with the driver (if you can give plate# and a decent description), but the city forces just blow me off completely. Video would only be helpful if it's taken seriously.

The one thing video might be more helpful with is if you're ever physically assaulted by another person. Even attempted assault is a crime so hopefully it would help and it'd give the police a better description of the person(s). Or better yet, maybe an obvious camera would simply deter anyone considering beating you up.

If you want a toy for kayaking, that's a totally different discussion ;-)

It wasn't a near-miss such as the one I experienced that I would report, it would be if I ever actually got in an accident and was injured and/or had bike damage.  As an example, dashcam video would've been very helpful when I was rear-ended in my car a few years back after stopping for a traffic light.  The lady's story was that I was driving backwards at high speed down a busy street.  Thankfully, my insurance company disregarded that as nonsense, but they couldn't get the other driver's insurance to pick up the tab. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on November 14, 2019, 01:31:53 PM
@Arbitrage Way off topic, but that reminds me of this time in high school that I got hit by a car. The driver told them that I walked into his car. What? People will surely say nonsense to try and shift the blame.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 18, 2019, 08:07:32 PM
I'm the author of that article, I was surprised to see traffic on my blog coming from here!
I've spent a great deal of time with a bike sandwiched between my butt and snow, so I've developed a bunch of techniques for coping with the cold that goes with that. Anyway. I am available to answer questions about the masks or any other aspect of winter cycling.

Thanks for popping by @Coldbike , we're always happy to gain a fellow rider in the conversations. You have any fun winter biking stories?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 18, 2019, 09:21:16 PM
Now that it is getting darker I’d like to light up my bike trailer like a Christmas tree when I take my kid to and from school. Can anyone recommend a cheap and easy way of doing that?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 19, 2019, 07:53:21 AM
I'm sure there are many solutions, and probably some really elegant ones out there, but I'm just using some clip-on LED lights from ebay to augment my primary rear light.  Something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-LED-Safety-Light-w-Strap-Clip-On-Strobe-Running-Lights-for-Bike-Runner-Dog/392312090639?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3D44becb8b029d4f1bbca0fa2eadc3e979%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D392312090639%26itm%3D392312090639%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2053904&_trksid=p2053904.c100227.m3827

Seems to be reasonable battery life on them...and just takes a coin battery replacement.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 19, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
I'm sure there are many solutions, and probably some really elegant ones out there, but I'm just using some clip-on LED lights from ebay to augment my primary rear light.  Something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-LED-Safety-Light-w-Strap-Clip-On-Strobe-Running-Lights-for-Bike-Runner-Dog/392312090639?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3D44becb8b029d4f1bbca0fa2eadc3e979%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D392312090639%26itm%3D392312090639%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2053904&_trksid=p2053904.c100227.m3827

Seems to be reasonable battery life on them...and just takes a coin battery replacement.

I use very similar on my backpack during the winter.  They're cheap and effective.  Batteries will die if you leave them in the lights for a whole year though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 19, 2019, 09:13:45 AM
Just want to vent that I've had six flat tires in my last four rides. WTF!?!?!?

As far as I can tell, one (possibly two) was a pinch flat (my fault for being too lazy to fully air my tires and gawking at somebody being pulled over as I smashed over an uneven portion of sidewalk), two have been thorns, and the other two are a mystery.

I've switched over to slime tubes in hopes to stem the tide, fingers crossed. Also, props to the Tube Fairy, who stopped and gave me his spare tube when I was ten miles from home and had already used my spare tube on an earlier flat just a few miles back.

Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 19, 2019, 09:21:14 AM
Try some Continental Top Contact IIs.  Won't help the pinch flats, but they're damned near unpuncturable.
Title: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 19, 2019, 10:21:45 AM
Does anyone have experience with something like an LED light strip? I’m hoping to minimize the number of buttons I have to push as I already have three. I know that sounds petty but it all adds up when I also have to strap my kid in, her helmet, her backpack, the buckles on the bike trailer, etc. and I’m doing this all four times a day.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 19, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
Just want to vent that I've had six flat tires in my last four rides. WTF!?!?!?

As far as I can tell, one (possibly two) was a pinch flat (my fault for being too lazy to fully air my tires and gawking at somebody being pulled over as I smashed over an uneven portion of sidewalk), two have been thorns, and the other two are a mystery.

I've switched over to slime tubes in hopes to stem the tide, fingers crossed. Also, props to the Tube Fairy, who stopped and gave me his spare tube when I was ten miles from home and had already used my spare tube on an earlier flat just a few miles back.

Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.

If the tires are old, consider replacing them. I find that as tires age, they become unreliable. I've got Armadillo tires on my commuter, but Gatorskins are highly recommended too. For commuting you want a puncture resistant tire because you'll be rolling over all kinds of metal trash and glass.

I also don't buy the cheapest tubes. I find higher end tubes hold air longer, so I only have to top up once every couple of weeks. I usually buy Continental tubes.

Check the outside of your tire. Note any gashes or punctures in the tire. If there's a gash large enough to pinch the tube it'll just keep flatting. If the gash isn't in the sidewall and isn't very big, you can use a patch on the inside of the tire to protect the tube.

Otherwise if your tires aren't terribly old and you're still getting unexplained flats, there's probably something sharp embedded in them somewhere. Take the tire off and very carefully run your fingertips all over the inside. If you still can't find the sharp thing, run a piece of tissue paper over the inside. It should catch on whatever's causing your flat.

If you have a long commute, seriously consider carrying two tubes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on November 19, 2019, 12:41:36 PM
Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.
In the short term switching to tubeless is asking for new problems and additional expenses... requires special tires, special rims, special rim strips, special valve cores, sealant, sealant injector... but long term they are pretty nice. Tubeless road stuff is still fairly new, so compatibility across manufacturers is spotty. I switched from Continental Gatorskin to GP5000TL tires in July and they've been nice, but getting them on my rims was incredibly difficult. Keeping surfaces clean while mounting everything is important along with choosing the right sealant.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 19, 2019, 01:15:51 PM
I have never used Slime tubes on my personal bike but I love them on the kids' bikes. My older kid seems to hit every thorn he comes across and especially back when he had a single-gear bike, I just had a hell of a time getting the rear tire back on right so that the chain wouldn't fall off. Switching to Slime tubes seemed to help a lot.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 19, 2019, 02:25:19 PM
Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.
In the short term switching to tubeless is asking for new problems and additional expenses... requires special tires, special rims, special rim strips, special valve cores, sealant, sealant injector... but long term they are pretty nice. Tubeless road stuff is still fairly new, so compatibility across manufacturers is spotty. I switched from Continental Gatorskin to GP5000TL tires in July and they've been nice, but getting them on my rims was incredibly difficult. Keeping surfaces clean while mounting everything is important along with choosing the right sealant.

Tubeless also don't work in the winter.  The sealants don't like cold.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 19, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
I had Armadillo tires (came with the bike), but I switched to Schwalbe Ones because I crave speed. That being said, I haven't been able to locate actual rolling resistance values for the Armadillos, so it might just be a figment of my imagination. (At one point in time I had thought I found rolling resistance ratings for the Armadillo Elites and they were significantly higher than even Gatorskins, but I can no longer find the website.)

As for Continental Top Contact IIs, holy crap, those look like tank treads. I'd venture to guess that my average time would be faster on my current tires even given a flat per week (been averaging about 70 miles per week).

I switched from Continental Gatorskin to GP5000TL tires in July and they've been nice, but getting them on my rims was incredibly difficult. Keeping surfaces clean while mounting everything is important along with choosing the right sealant.

I think I would take a couple painful tire mounts once every six months over my current rate of over one mount per ride (at least over the last week).

Tubeless also don't work in the winter.  The sealants don't like cold.

At what temperature does tubeless sealant stop working? My personal cold limit currently seems to be about at freezing temp (for the 20-mile ride), below which I'll simply take public transportation in the mornings and ride home when it is nicer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 19, 2019, 04:18:51 PM
I've been happy with my Schwalbe Marathon HS 420 tires for puncture resistance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 19, 2019, 07:16:33 PM
At what temperature does tubeless sealant stop working? My personal cold limit currently seems to be about at freezing temp (for the 20-mile ride), below which I'll simply take public transportation in the mornings and ride home when it is nicer.

Not sure about exact temperatures, it would depend on the sealant I think.  Some sealants have anti-freeze stuff added to them that let them tolerate cold temperatures.  Above zero (freezing) I'm sure you would be fine.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 21, 2019, 08:13:52 AM
I broke down and bought a fairly expensive pair of rain pants.  I managed last year with cheapo gear, but after getting soaked a couple of times I sprung for an actual waterproof jacket/shell, which turned out to be a big improvement.  Decided it would be nice to have pants that I can slip over my work pants and reduce the amount of time gearing up/down (and drying myself) on those wet days. 

I also got a rain cover for the bike.  I have to park outside at work, and leaving the e-bike in the rain for extended periods isn't recommended.  Instead of fiddling with covering individual electric components (plus the seat, rear bag, panniers), I realized that it would be easier just to cover up the whole darn thing.

I read a webpage that talks about cleaning the battery contacts. Depending on your bike's design, the battery cradle can trap dirt and water.

Also some battery cases are multi-piece shells that aren't rain proof. One of mine is like that. A shower cap might be a fair solution. I've looked inside my battery and there were no problems though or signs of water.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum/knowledge-base/batteries-aa/12542-luna-hardcase-battery-documentation

https://www.electricbike.com/water-proofing-trouble-shooting/
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 21, 2019, 10:05:54 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

Have you cruised the Endless Sphere website? They can get pretty technical but a source for what you want might be there somewhere.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 21, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
Okay, I could use some help. I need to fix the problem of the limiter on my ebike. I thought it didn’t have one when I bought it and apparently the sales person at the store was misinformed and/or lied.

In any case, I’ve been researching and it looks like an BadAss Box 4 will work for my Giant Explore E. The only issue is that they ship all over the world except the US.

I can’t find it anywhere that will ship to me, even eBay. Does anyone have any idea how I can get around this?

Have you cruised the Endless Sphere website? They can get pretty technical but a source for what you want might be there somewhere.
Thanks for the reply. I ended up finding the Badass FB page and through that was able to get a link to purchase directly and have the product shipped to me. Yay! Installation was pretty easy. Much better than the open heart surgery required for the other tuners on the market.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 21, 2019, 12:07:03 PM
Just want to vent that I've had six flat tires in my last four rides. WTF!?!?!?

As far as I can tell, one (possibly two) was a pinch flat (my fault for being too lazy to fully air my tires and gawking at somebody being pulled over as I smashed over an uneven portion of sidewalk), two have been thorns, and the other two are a mystery.

I've switched over to slime tubes in hopes to stem the tide, fingers crossed. Also, props to the Tube Fairy, who stopped and gave me his spare tube when I was ten miles from home and had already used my spare tube on an earlier flat just a few miles back.

Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.

Schwalbe Marathon tires. No data about rolling resistance or anything else except that I have 2600 miles on them with zero flats. I'm riding the 50mm variety. I'm riding about 10 psi under the max inflation pressure on the back, about 15-20 psi under the max inflation in the front b/c I'm a Clydesdale. ;)

At 2600 miles on a former mtb bike with a middrive ebike conversion, the tires still have alot of miles left in them. I expect them to last another 2000 miles or more.

No traction surprises but I have not ridden them on ice or snow.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on November 21, 2019, 12:15:59 PM
"Personal Cycling" should be a term like personal finance. There are some general principals that can be applied to everyone, but many solutions should be tailored to the individual. For example, the topic of freezing/ice/snow is completely foreign to someone living in most parts California. "What is this 'winter' you speak of? Is that when the high temps are like in the 60s?"
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 21, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
Thanks for the reply. I ended up finding the Badass FB page and through that was able to get a link to purchase directly and have the product shipped to me. Yay! Installation was pretty easy. Much better than the open heart surgery required for the other tuners on the market.

YAY! Glad you found the solution you wanted.

To everyone, I just finished reading the whole thread. LOTs of great info here. Added a bunch of things to my amazon wishlist for future reference. Bought a couple of things recommended here to make riding through the winter a reasonable possibility. I used to quit each fall about the time the cold wind racing through my light weight prob fleece or cotton jacket became too cold as I never liked riding in a heavy winter coat. Enter the windbreaker suggested in another MMM thread. Maybe suggested by GuitarStv. How did that bit of outdoor gear escape my awareness all these years? My family and friends all seem to gravitate to other solutions, none of which are bicycle/hiking oriented.

Rode to work a couple of weeks ago in the low 30s F using that jacket, fleece jacket, lightweight gloves, and jogging pants. Oh and merino wool socks under my hiking shoes. Totally comfortable. Won't need much more gear to ride year 'round b/c the winters only dip in the 20s overnight most of the winter.

Another gold nugget was the Map-o-Meter website. I think it was mentioned in this thread. I originally used Google Maps to build my route home to work.

Using the Map-o-Meter maps I found out today I'm riding about 8 miles each way with roughly a 775ft gain and a 740 ft loss. It said the steepest sections were 8% grades. Not too bad with the low gears I put on my bike.  The online maps say my work place is ~100 ft higher than my home address.

Just rode to do an errand at lunch time. Absolutely makes me question why any of us drive cars around so much for sub-3 mile trips, especially with ebikes available.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 21, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
I tried out my cold weather gear this morning. It was about 26F and unusually gloomy for Denver, no sun and kind of spitting wintry mix. I was wearing the t-shirt and cardigan that I am working in today, my Primaloft leggings, snow boots with wool socks, a fleece, a rain shell, fleece gloves, and a balaclava. By the time I got going I was so warm, I was tempted to stop and shed a layer or two. Will adjust next time there's no wind.

Will be biking home in dark and snow, unless there is so much snow that I panic and find another way home. Looks like it should be just an inch or two of fresh powder, which I think I can handle.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 21, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
I have to drive my car to work tomorrow, since I have a mid-day dentist appointment about 15 miles from the office.  I'm a bit bummed about it, but at least it'll be the first car commute since March.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 21, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
Drizzle on the way home tonight.  In my 50 minute bike ride home tonight I saw two accidents happen (one guy who rear-ended a police cruiser . . . one guy who pulled a u-turn in a busy 4 lane road and got t-boned) and rode past three other accidents.  Ugh.  It was like a frigging war zone.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 22, 2019, 08:17:36 AM
Wife was rear-ended yesterday on her morning commute. Hit-and-run, the guy/gal sped off. The bumper is trashed, but everything else looks comparatively fine and no apparent damage beyond cosmetic. Wife says her back hurts, but will probably be fine after some rest.

All this to say that I love not having to drive in to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 22, 2019, 08:43:30 AM
Had errands to do this morn. Drove part way, biked part way. In the rain. Loved it. Wish I could send the car home automatically so I could ride all the way home. Don't feel good leaving the car in town overnight.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 22, 2019, 09:25:17 AM
Drizzle on the way home tonight.  In my 50 minute bike ride home tonight I saw two accidents happen (one guy who rear-ended a police cruiser . . . one guy who pulled a u-turn in a busy 4 lane road and got t-boned) and rode past three other accidents.  Ugh.  It was like a frigging war zone.

Ugh. That's a rough trip home. Glad you made it safely.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on November 22, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
*Best thing ever yelled out a car window at me: "GET A JOB, ASSHOLE!"

I laughed out loud in my quiet early-morning cubicle farm, got a lot of turned heads and furrowed brows.

Gonna be a great day at work today LOL.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 22, 2019, 04:01:33 PM
Now that it is getting darker I’d like to light up my bike trailer like a Christmas tree when I take my kid to and from school. Can anyone recommend a cheap and easy way of doing that?

 EL lights  (https://www.amazon.com/JYtrend-Neon-Light-Wire-Battery/dp/B017GCSVU0/ref=asc_df_B017GCSVU0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167158513139&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16991623896782278984&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030289&hvtargid=pla-304807278430&psc=1)are fun and can be ordered for <$10 (although you get what you pay for, haven't had a unit last for longer than 1 year)
Also could get some wheel lights - https://www.monkeylectric.com/ (https://www.monkeylectric.com/)

Take a picture once you trick out your ride :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 23, 2019, 08:42:00 PM
Now that it is getting darker I’d like to light up my bike trailer like a Christmas tree when I take my kid to and from school. Can anyone recommend a cheap and easy way of doing that?

 EL lights  (https://www.amazon.com/JYtrend-Neon-Light-Wire-Battery/dp/B017GCSVU0/ref=asc_df_B017GCSVU0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167158513139&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16991623896782278984&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030289&hvtargid=pla-304807278430&psc=1)are fun and can be ordered for <$10 (although you get what you pay for, haven't had a unit last for longer than 1 year)
Also could get some wheel lights - https://www.monkeylectric.com/ (https://www.monkeylectric.com/)

Take a picture once you trick out your ride :)
Good suggestion.
Come to think of it, my husband did something like this to his old bike for burning man. I’ll ask his opinion.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 26, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
Freezing rain and ice pellets on the way in this morning. Ugh. How long until spring? I think I'd rather have snow. Ice pellets really sting.

Also, I really need to see if we have some ski goggles that aren't tinted. I couldn't see a thing through the ice pellets and my watering eyes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 26, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
We had the nicest weather in at least a month today for my ride in . . . 10 degrees and sunny!  No snow or rain!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 26, 2019, 09:07:55 PM
Ugh, we had some of the worst conditions!  Some serious lack of snow and ice clearing during a warmish snow last week resulted in a whole bunch of slick frozen rutts on the road, and frozen footprints on the pathways! Then last night and today we had more snow... hiding all the ice. If it was shear ice it wouldn't be so bad, but it's lumpy and sliding down the verticals, with no bite from your studs is sketchy. Add in some serious snirty pancaky snow and it was a slip sliddin' struggle!  Fat bike please...

Tomorrow I'm walking.

This snow/freeze/thaw cycle we've been having since September is starting to wear me down - I think I'd be happy for some sustained cold, packed snow to bike on... and less slush/fresh snow please.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 27, 2019, 07:24:32 AM
We had the nicest weather in at least a month today for my ride in . . . 10 degrees and sunny!  No snow or rain!

Gah, I knew things were too good to be true.


Had a car sideswipe me on the way home last night.  I think (although details are kinda fuzzy) that it hit either my arms or my handlebars with it's mirror, causing the wheel to spin 90 degrees to the direction I was travelling.  I was doing about 35 kph at the time, so this sorta launched me over the bars and I ended up cracking my helmet pretty spectacularly, landing on my left side, and sliding a good piece up the road.  Also whacked my left knee really, really hard.  Looking back at it, I was being stupid and not completely taking the lane - trying to avoid blocking traffic.  The driver was trying to squeeze through space that the vehicle simply didn't fit in.

To their credit, the driver peeled away immediately to make sure that he or she wasn't going to be in the way after the accident.  Several people from surrounding houses and from cars that saw the accident did stop to check if I was OK though.  They all said that I was very visible with the four lights in the back and the two in front, the neon orange jacket, and all the reflective stuff - so it's not like the guy didn't see me.

All in all, things came out OK.  I made it the remaining 10 km home.  Derailleurs weren't damaged, front wheel needs a little bit of truing, and the frame isn't bent.  I lost a lot of skin on the one side of my body, but managed to avoid any major tears in my jacket, jersey, or tights) and have a good amount of swelling on my left knee and wrist, but nothing is sprained or broken.  Swelling on the knee is a lot better than last night as well, where I could barely make it up and down the stairs to our bedroom.  My bar tape is a little scuffed, and I need a new helmet - could have been worse.  Sadly breaks my streak of not being hit by a car for five or six years (but continues my streak of having the car that hits me not stick around afterwards.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on November 27, 2019, 07:53:24 AM
Glad you made it out ok. Drivers who don't stop after hitting someone are the worst.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 27, 2019, 09:24:27 AM
Yuck, hit and runners are the worst scum of the earth!

I'm glad your ok (ish), that sounds like a pretty spectacular crash (and not in a good way).

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 27, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
Holy crap, that sounds awful! Glad you're ok. You filed a police report, right?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 27, 2019, 09:58:12 AM
I didn't file a police report.  Nothing to file really.  I think the car might have been gray?  Nobody saw the license plate, or where it was going.  Pretty sure it was a car though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 27, 2019, 10:17:39 AM
I didn't file a police report.  Nothing to file really.  I think the car might have been gray?  Nobody saw the license plate, or where it was going.  Pretty sure it was a car though.

But the city and police can't do anything to improve road conditions or enforcement if they don't even know there's been an accident. Your local police force may even have a basic web form you can fill out on their website.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 27, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
Ouch.  Sorry that happened; glad you're ok.  That helmet cam of mine might come in handy someday!  Of course, I might miss video of the license plate if I'm busy tumbling and skidding down the road, and most USA police don't care one whit about bikers and would probably ignore a complaint of this nature, but still!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 27, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
I didn't file a police report.  Nothing to file really.  I think the car might have been gray?  Nobody saw the license plate, or where it was going.  Pretty sure it was a car though.

But the city and police can't do anything to improve road conditions or enforcement if they don't even know there's been an accident. Your local police force may even have a basic web form you can fill out on their website.

I agree it's worth taking ten minutes to let them know, even if you can't describe the car. Wishing you speedy healing, @GuitarStv.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on November 27, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
Wow, I’m sorry that happened. Good luck healing
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: BikeFanatic on November 27, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
guitar steve there may have been security cameras in the area?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on November 28, 2019, 08:41:12 AM
You should definitely report your collision, if there's no report then it's assumed these events aren't happening.

You can also report near misses/thefts and collisions on this map here:
https://bikemaps.org/

I've seen this tool used for bike advocacy groups to get infrastructure built.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: cari8285 on November 29, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
So. My bike lock has been giving me a hard time lately. I put the key in, try to turn, and it doesn't budge. I thought at first that it was so cold that it was frozen. But even when it's about 40 degrees out, it still doesn't budge. The last few weeks I've just been holding onto it for dear life and basically forcing it to turn. Well, last week I did that and the key broke (not inside the lock, thank god - more like the handle of the key broke). Anyway, has anyone ever experienced this? Do I maybe need to oil up the lock or something so that the key starts to turn again?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 29, 2019, 03:38:35 PM
So. My bike lock has been giving me a hard time lately. I put the key in, try to turn, and it doesn't budge. I thought at first that it was so cold that it was frozen. But even when it's about 40 degrees out, it still doesn't budge. The last few weeks I've just been holding onto it for dear life and basically forcing it to turn. Well, last week I did that and the key broke (not inside the lock, thank god - more like the handle of the key broke). Anyway, has anyone ever experienced this? Do I maybe need to oil up the lock or something so that the key starts to turn again?

I squirt bike lube in the key hole of my lock a couple times a year, and then work the key back and forth to spread it out.  I've had locks completely rust up and become inoperable before I started doing this.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on December 01, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
I didn't file a police report.  Nothing to file really.  I think the car might have been gray?  Nobody saw the license plate, or where it was going.  Pretty sure it was a car though.

But the city and police can't do anything to improve road conditions or enforcement if they don't even know there's been an accident. Your local police force may even have a basic web form you can fill out on their website.

Piling on. My police contacts say that they'll take any/all information. They add it to their collision reports that directly influence their resource allotments.

Thanks for mentioning lane position and squeezing. It's definitely uncomfortable but I find it's easier when I repeat to myself "My safety is more important than their convenience. My safety is more important than their convenience." Plus it gives a nice rhythm to pedal to.
Glad you're up and walking!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on December 02, 2019, 08:22:52 AM
Glad you're okay Guitar Stv!

Rode with our 14 year old on my commuter route to town, around town, to the grocery and back in the dark yesterday. Teen did perfectly fine. Was enthusiastic about the whole ride before and after despite fatigue, cold and leftover puddles from the earlier rain. 18.4 miles.

Has asked to make the ride by themselves and we said of course. Plenty old enough to ride country roads to town and back. Wants to do the ride again today after an orthodontist appt. Sure! Will be daylight. Adjusted their brakes this morn (rear disc brakes dragging).

Our other teen wanted to ride with me over the weekend so we took the bikes out of town with us to Thanksgiving at relatives house. That ride we also rode ~18.5 miles. Much easier, flatter ride. Older teen was tired afterwards b/c they chose to ride their mtn bike the whole way. Fat tires, narrow seat, etc. Chose the mtn bike over my old "gravel bike" and the second ebike 'cause wheelies and jumping curbs
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 02, 2019, 11:01:07 AM
We did a ride a few days ago out of our neighborhood through larger and busier streets with my oldest on her bike for the first time. She did surprisingly well. She obeyed my commands to stay out of traffic and didn’t complain about being tired. We probably went 3 mi in total, so not a long way at all, but for a 5 year old I think it was a great first real ride. Every other bike ride we have had one or the other of us running beside her, so this required more trust on our end that she would pay attention.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on December 02, 2019, 11:10:14 AM
I agree that a police report won't do a thing about this incident as there's not enough of a description to track down the driver even if the police were inclined to do so; but the data point might influence future resource allocation (by the police and/or traffic engineers) that could improve the safety of traveling by bike in the long run.

Thanks for the reminder to take the lane when it is unsafe for motorists to pass. As I once heard an urban cycling instructor say, cars honking at you is evidence that they see you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on December 02, 2019, 12:05:02 PM
We did a ride a few days ago out of our neighborhood through larger and busier streets with my oldest on her bike for the first time. She did surprisingly well. She obeyed my commands to stay out of traffic and didn’t complain about being tired. We probably went 3 mi in total, so not a long way at all, but for a 5 year old I think it was a great first real ride. Every other bike ride we have had one or the other of us running beside her, so this required more trust on our end that she would pay attention.

Congrats! Start them young. I've ridden in traffic across town with both our kids when they were younger. It was at times nerve racking.

Start them young and then biking somewhere doesn't seem so quirky and weird later. Maybe it isn't weird where you live but around here 99.9% of the population sees bikes as a thing kids play with riding back and forth in front of the house.

Folks around here drive for just about everything. Ebikes makes everything totally doable.

Over the weekend saw another article about how a service worker walked ~5 miles to work and 5 more home again every day until someone gifted them a car. Wonder why folks like that won't just ride a bike? Alot cheaper to operate than a car on that income level.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 02, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
We did a ride a few days ago out of our neighborhood through larger and busier streets with my oldest on her bike for the first time. She did surprisingly well. She obeyed my commands to stay out of traffic and didn’t complain about being tired. We probably went 3 mi in total, so not a long way at all, but for a 5 year old I think it was a great first real ride. Every other bike ride we have had one or the other of us running beside her, so this required more trust on our end that she would pay attention.

This is excellent! When teaching my kids to ride in traffic, I have them go first and I call out instructions from behind. Let's the kid set the pace (don't rear end them when they randomly stop to scratch their nose ;-) and I can see exactly what they're doing.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on December 02, 2019, 04:22:39 PM
Gah, I knew things were too good to be true.

Had a car sideswipe me on the way home last night...
Glad to hear you're feeling well enough to be able to post about it. Sounds like a really frightening event. Hope you're able to heal up without any lasting damage.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on December 06, 2019, 09:49:50 AM
Been biking to work every day for the past six months (since I started my new job). Weight is down, leg strength is up, net worth increased dramatically.

Bicycles really are money-printing machines.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on December 06, 2019, 05:18:59 PM
Been biking to work every day for the past six months (since I started my new job). Weight is down, leg strength is up, net worth increased dramatically.

Bicycles really are money-printing machines.
High Five!

Today was my 200th day of the year commuting by bike. I've only driven in 10 days... so I'm 95% cyclist, 5% motorist. Curious to experience how my fitness develops over the course of 2020.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on December 07, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
Slipped on a patch of black ice last night on the bike trail and went down, but fortunately I was going an appropriate speed for a librarian of a certain age (ie, very slow) and wasn't hurt.

I'm concerned that my rear light is super ineffective because it doesn't stay put. I think it used to have a mount, but that is long since lost or broken. It just has a clip now, and I attach the clip to my rear rack, but it always flips up or down so that the light is going either onto the wheel or up into the sky rather than behind me. I do not bike in a backpack, so I can't attach it to that.

I do bike in a reflective vest and my fenders are also reflective, so people using headlights can almost certainly see me. Still, it seems like I should have a working light. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 07, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
Slipped on a patch of black ice last night on the bike trail and went down, but fortunately I was going an appropriate speed for a librarian of a certain age (ie, very slow) and wasn't hurt.

I'm concerned that my rear light is super ineffective because it doesn't stay put. I think it used to have a mount, but that is long since lost or broken. It just has a clip now, and I attach the clip to my rear rack, but it always flips up or down so that the light is going either onto the wheel or up into the sky rather than behind me. I do not bike in a backpack, so I can't attach it to that.

I do bike in a reflective vest and my fenders are also reflective, so people using headlights can almost certainly see me. Still, it seems like I should have a working light. Any ideas?

Get a new mount.  Planet bike sells replacement mounts for their lights that also fit some other brands I've had.

Honestly, a tail light is important enough that it wouldn't be a bad idea to run two (I've currently got two regular rear bike lights on my bike, and four tiny LED lights hanging off my backpack.  You really want cars behind you to see you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on December 08, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
Slipped on a patch of black ice last night on the bike trail and went down, but fortunately I was going an appropriate speed for a librarian of a certain age (ie, very slow) and wasn't hurt.

I'm concerned that my rear light is super ineffective because it doesn't stay put. I think it used to have a mount, but that is long since lost or broken. It just has a clip now, and I attach the clip to my rear rack, but it always flips up or down so that the light is going either onto the wheel or up into the sky rather than behind me. I do not bike in a backpack, so I can't attach it to that.

I do bike in a reflective vest and my fenders are also reflective, so people using headlights can almost certainly see me. Still, it seems like I should have a working light. Any ideas?

Get a new mount.  Planet bike sells replacement mounts for their lights that also fit some other brands I've had.

Honestly, a tail light is important enough that it wouldn't be a bad idea to run two (I've currently got two regular rear bike lights on my bike, and four tiny LED lights hanging off my backpack.  You really want cars behind you to see you.
Dittoes on getting a new mount. You can also get a flashing LED safety vest from Amazon.

Two headlights, two tail lights, and a flashing vest. And I still want more lights.  I want to be seen!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 08, 2019, 08:07:40 PM
Slipped on a patch of black ice last night on the bike trail and went down, but fortunately I was going an appropriate speed for a librarian of a certain age (ie, very slow) and wasn't hurt.

I'm concerned that my rear light is super ineffective because it doesn't stay put. I think it used to have a mount, but that is long since lost or broken. It just has a clip now, and I attach the clip to my rear rack, but it always flips up or down so that the light is going either onto the wheel or up into the sky rather than behind me. I do not bike in a backpack, so I can't attach it to that.

I do bike in a reflective vest and my fenders are also reflective, so people using headlights can almost certainly see me. Still, it seems like I should have a working light. Any ideas?

Yup, new mount and/or new light. I also run 2 rear lights, a tiny integrated light on the back of my helmet and 2 front lights. My commute is just long enough that sometimes one (or more) of those lights dies en route. This way I always have at least one backup. Plus a highlighter yellow reflective jacket. I like the reflective strips on the back of my arms so my hand signals will get noticed.

I even make my kids run 2 rear red lights when they bike to school and they're only allowed to ride at dawn/dusk. Not when it's fully dark.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on December 09, 2019, 01:31:45 PM
We had the nicest weather in at least a month today for my ride in . . . 10 degrees and sunny!  No snow or rain!

Gah, I knew things were too good to be true.


Had a car sideswipe me on the way home last night.  I think (although details are kinda fuzzy) that it hit either my arms or my handlebars with it's mirror, causing the wheel to spin 90 degrees to the direction I was travelling.  I was doing about 35 kph at the time, so this sorta launched me over the bars and I ended up cracking my helmet pretty spectacularly, landing on my left side, and sliding a good piece up the road.  Also whacked my left knee really, really hard.  Looking back at it, I was being stupid and not completely taking the lane - trying to avoid blocking traffic.  The driver was trying to squeeze through space that the vehicle simply didn't fit in.

To their credit, the driver peeled away immediately to make sure that he or she wasn't going to be in the way after the accident.  Several people from surrounding houses and from cars that saw the accident did stop to check if I was OK though.  They all said that I was very visible with the four lights in the back and the two in front, the neon orange jacket, and all the reflective stuff - so it's not like the guy didn't see me.

All in all, things came out OK.  I made it the remaining 10 km home.  Derailleurs weren't damaged, front wheel needs a little bit of truing, and the frame isn't bent.  I lost a lot of skin on the one side of my body, but managed to avoid any major tears in my jacket, jersey, or tights) and have a good amount of swelling on my left knee and wrist, but nothing is sprained or broken.  Swelling on the knee is a lot better than last night as well, where I could barely make it up and down the stairs to our bedroom.  My bar tape is a little scuffed, and I need a new helmet - could have been worse.  Sadly breaks my streak of not being hit by a car for five or six years (but continues my streak of having the car that hits me not stick around afterwards.)

Sorry to hear you got hit! Glad you’re still here to tell the tale. I had a close call the other day for the same reason; I wanted to let traffic pass and got a car right on me as my reward.

FWIW, I agree with your decision not to bother with a police report. No witness, no License plate? The case isn't going anywhere and you’re just filling out another form that’ll sit in a filing cabinet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 09, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Got cursed at this morning!  Not sure why this lady was all hot and bothered, as the roads were nearly empty, and I didn't really impede her, but she was angry enough to open her window and yell at me to get out of the *** road as I rode away...while riding completely legally and safely. 

I suppose a lot of drivers don't actually know the traffic laws for bikes and just think you're not allowed in the road. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on December 09, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
I suppose a lot of drivers don't actually know the traffic laws for bikes and just think you're not allowed in the road.
Unfortunately true. I've been yelled at for taking a lane with a sharrow in it. Fortunately as more cyclists take to the streets (thanks electric bike share) it is getting a little better. Unfortunately an equally large percentage of cyclists don't seem to know that sidewalks are NOT for riding bikes (at least not at full speed when you are not 100% sure there aren't pedestrians nearby).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Buffaloski Boris on December 09, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
Got cursed at this morning!  Not sure why this lady was all hot and bothered, as the roads were nearly empty, and I didn't really impede her, but she was angry enough to open her window and yell at me to get out of the *** road as I rode away...while riding completely legally and safely. 

I suppose a lot of drivers don't actually know the traffic laws for bikes and just think you're not allowed in the road.

So I take it you didn’t curse back? My four-letter word fluency has grown impressively since I started biking to work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on December 10, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
Got cursed at this morning!  Not sure why this lady was all hot and bothered, as the roads were nearly empty, and I didn't really impede her, but she was angry enough to open her window and yell at me to get out of the *** road as I rode away...while riding completely legally and safely. 

I suppose a lot of drivers don't actually know the traffic laws for bikes and just think you're not allowed in the road.

She is just hating going to work and needed to take it out on someone... ;) Glad you are okay.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 10, 2019, 08:47:46 AM
Got cursed at this morning!  Not sure why this lady was all hot and bothered, as the roads were nearly empty, and I didn't really impede her, but she was angry enough to open her window and yell at me to get out of the *** road as I rode away...while riding completely legally and safely. 

I suppose a lot of drivers don't actually know the traffic laws for bikes and just think you're not allowed in the road.

She is just hating going to work and needed to take it out on someone... ;) Glad you are okay.

Yes, this. I just feel badly for these people that they're having such a bad day, and have such poor coping mechanisms, that they feel like they have to take it out on someone they perceive to be "weaker" than them. I never yell back anymore. Had too many times where that just escalated the interaction.

Now, the only thing I ever yell back is the person's license plate # and only if their actions have put me in danger. Yelling the plate# seems to remind them they're not anonymous and their poor behaviour could come back to bite them. It's the only thing that seems to de-escalate a situation.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 10, 2019, 10:05:04 AM
Yeah, I try to remain (outwardly, at least) stoic when drivers pull their shenanigans.  Now that I'm riding with a helmet camera, I have noticed some behavior improvement around me - when they can see the camera - which was unexpected.  Also unexpected was the lady telling me yesterday - while we were waiting for a crosswalk - about how I should only need a camera like that for POV porn, and giving me website recommendations.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on December 10, 2019, 11:33:09 AM
Also unexpected was the lady telling me yesterday - while we were waiting for a crosswalk - about how I should only need a camera like that for POV porn, and giving me website recommendations.

Maybe turn this into a side hustle?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 10, 2019, 12:37:57 PM


Maybe turn this into a side hustle?
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I don't know if hustling has the connotation I'm hoping for in that context.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 11, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
TIL that it's possible to snap a wheel axle. I learned this tonight when I took my back wheel off so I could replace the worn tire. Two nights ago I came out of the office to find my rear tire was flat. I changed it in our pitch black parking lot and thought it was odd that I had such a hard time getting the wheel back on after changing the tube. I now realize the axle was probably already broken at that point (the skewer is also bent) and that's why it was so hard to get it back on. Probably also explains why the ride home felt so much harder than normal.

Blerg. I hate stuff like this. As if staying motivated when it's pitch black and pouring rain every day isn't enough.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 12, 2019, 03:35:49 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 12, 2019, 08:06:45 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?

Is it just the standard metal type with a knocker?  It might be getting weighed down by the water condensation (maybe on the underside?), which reduces ring time.



As a side note - I don't bother with a bell on my bike.  Using a bell is far more dangerous than using your voice . . . it's quieter (and completely impossible for someone in a car with the windows closed to hear and it requires that you remove one of your hands from your brakes.  Also, the damned things always go ding when I go over railway tracks/potholes and I find that really annoying.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on December 12, 2019, 08:28:17 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?

Is it just the standard metal type with a knocker?  It might be getting weighed down by the water condensation (maybe on the underside?), which reduces ring time.



As a side note - I don't bother with a bell on my bike.  Using a bell is far more dangerous than using your voice . . . it's quieter (and completely impossible for someone in a car with the windows closed to hear and it requires that you remove one of your hands from your brakes.  Also, the damned things always go ding when I go over railway tracks/potholes and I find that really annoying.

On the flip side, there is a guy I regularly pass (in opposite directions) on my commute home who rings his bell as he's passing. The sound is "clear as a bell", very noticeable from far away, and makes a really sweet doppler effect as he and I fly by at 30+ mph. I also think it is probably less intimidating to other riders than hearing somebody yell at them "on your left!!!!" when they're close enough to get within earshot. (TL;DR: I don't have a bell, but I've been tempted.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 12, 2019, 08:50:33 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?

Is it just the standard metal type with a knocker?  It might be getting weighed down by the water condensation (maybe on the underside?), which reduces ring time.



As a side note - I don't bother with a bell on my bike.  Using a bell is far more dangerous than using your voice . . . it's quieter (and completely impossible for someone in a car with the windows closed to hear and it requires that you remove one of your hands from your brakes.  Also, the damned things always go ding when I go over railway tracks/potholes and I find that really annoying.

On the flip side, there is a guy I regularly pass (in opposite directions) on my commute home who rings his bell as he's passing. The sound is "clear as a bell", very noticeable from far away, and makes a really sweet doppler effect as he and I fly by at 30+ mph. I also think it is probably less intimidating to other riders than hearing somebody yell at them "on your left!!!!" when they're close enough to get within earshot. (TL;DR: I don't have a bell, but I've been tempted.)

If I spent much time riding on bike paths, I'd probably go with a bell.  It seems like a more polite way of giving notice that you're there.  But 99% of my riding is either on busy multi-lane city streets or way out in farmland.  A bell is kinda useless in either situation.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 12, 2019, 09:32:54 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?

I've noticed the same thing. However, I only have the bell mounted during the summer. I use it to warn stopped drivers that I'm passing on their right so they don't inadvertently right hook me. I ride mostly in bike lanes on roads that are so congested the cars are basically at a standstill.

In the winter they all have their windows rolled up, radios on, and won't hear me regardless. I'd need an air horn to get their attention and my own hearing's already bad enough. I also need the handlebar space for my 2nd light in the winter.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: J Dough on December 12, 2019, 10:07:55 AM
I put bells on my bikes because the law where I lived required them on bikes to be used on public roads.

As an example, it looks like New Jersey might still require a bell, with a possible $50 fine:
https://ramaporally.btcnj.com/index.php/nj-mandates-use-of-bells-horns-on-all-bicycles/

And (a long time ago) it used to be required in the UK:
https://road.cc/content/blog/245308-cycling-and-law-bicycle-bells

So, check your local area for any similar laws. I almost never use my bell, but I keep it on the bike to avoid issues. It's probably a low enough risk to not worry about, but there have been court cases about people arguing a cyclist was partially at fault in a collision just because they didn't have a bell in violation of the law, or others about law enforcement using the lack of a bell (as if they could really tell by a quick glance driving by) as a pretext to stop someone for other reasons.

I guess my point is, other reasons might make it worth getting a bell, even if you don't intend to use it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 12, 2019, 10:34:13 AM
Small thing, but I notice that when it is damp out my bell barely functions, even if it is dry itself. Anyone else experience this?

Is it just the standard metal type with a knocker?  It might be getting weighed down by the water condensation (maybe on the underside?), which reduces ring time.



As a side note - I don't bother with a bell on my bike.  Using a bell is far more dangerous than using your voice . . . it's quieter (and completely impossible for someone in a car with the windows closed to hear and it requires that you remove one of your hands from your brakes.  Also, the damned things always go ding when I go over railway tracks/potholes and I find that really annoying.

On the flip side, there is a guy I regularly pass (in opposite directions) on my commute home who rings his bell as he's passing. The sound is "clear as a bell", very noticeable from far away, and makes a really sweet doppler effect as he and I fly by at 30+ mph. I also think it is probably less intimidating to other riders than hearing somebody yell at them "on your left!!!!" when they're close enough to get within earshot. (TL;DR: I don't have a bell, but I've been tempted.)

If I spent much time riding on bike paths, I'd probably go with a bell.  It seems like a more polite way of giving notice that you're there.  But 99% of my riding is either on busy multi-lane city streets or way out in farmland.  A bell is kinda useless in either situation.

Yeah, my bell is for bike path riding, or the occasional jaunt onto the sidewalk.  Immediately recognizable and carries well to pedestrians (though I've encountered some headphone users who won't respond either to repeated rings of the bell or my voice).

Agreed that it's basically useless for drivers.  I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on December 12, 2019, 11:49:30 AM
I ride mostly in bike lanes on roads that are so congested the cars are basically at a standstill.

I try to avoid these roads as much as possible by using bike lanes, but when I need to get home as quickly as possible I go down an extremely congested road. The feeling I get when doing this is extremely odd: A mix of joy, pity, and wonderment that I'm flying past all of these cars every day and not a single one of them even considers shortening their commute by hopping on their own bikes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 12, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
So . . . it was nippy this morning.   -13 when I left home.  Got in to work OK, started working . . . but then at around 11:00 we got an email that the water wasn't working.  So at 11:05 we all got sent home (apparently it's a fire code thing because the sprinklers don't work.

Got on my bike and headed home.  A water main outside of work burst and was in the process of dumping hundreds of gallons across the road.  Unfortunately, this water was about two or three feet deep in parts of the road and a car got stuck in the middle of the road while trying to get through . . . blocking traffic up all the way back to my work.  So, I shouldered my bike and walked across a couple lawns, reached a relatively dry part of the sidewalk, and gunned it through the spots where the road water was flooding across the sidewalk past all my co-workers.  On the sidewalk the water was only about a foot and a half in the deepest places.  Co-workers are probably still waiting to get out of there, poor guys.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 12, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
I do use the bell for alerting pedestrians I’m coming and other bikers as well, as I am faster than most people (ebike). But I also ring at cars trying to backup into the bike lane and things like that. Good point that they might not be hearing me anyway. I’d love for cars to hear me but I also don’t want to be overly rude to pedestrians when I just want to signal I’m coming up behind someone.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on December 12, 2019, 12:59:20 PM
So . . . it was nippy this morning.   -13 when I left home.  Got in to work OK, started working . . . but then at around 11:00 we got an email that the water wasn't working.  So at 11:05 we all got sent home (apparently it's a fire code thing because the sprinklers don't work.

Got on my bike and headed home.  A water main outside of work burst and was in the process of dumping hundreds of gallons across the road.  Unfortunately, this water was about two or three feet deep in parts of the road and a car got stuck in the middle of the road while trying to get through . . . blocking traffic up all the way back to my work.  So, I shouldered my bike and walked across a couple lawns, reached a relatively dry part of the sidewalk, and gunned it through the spots where the road water was flooding across the sidewalk past all my co-workers.  On the sidewalk the water was only about a foot and a half in the deepest places.  Co-workers are probably still waiting to get out of there, poor guys.

Reckon the water has turned to ice yet?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 12, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
So . . . it was nippy this morning.   -13 when I left home.  Got in to work OK, started working . . . but then at around 11:00 we got an email that the water wasn't working.  So at 11:05 we all got sent home (apparently it's a fire code thing because the sprinklers don't work.

Got on my bike and headed home.  A water main outside of work burst and was in the process of dumping hundreds of gallons across the road.  Unfortunately, this water was about two or three feet deep in parts of the road and a car got stuck in the middle of the road while trying to get through . . . blocking traffic up all the way back to my work.  So, I shouldered my bike and walked across a couple lawns, reached a relatively dry part of the sidewalk, and gunned it through the spots where the road water was flooding across the sidewalk past all my co-workers.  On the sidewalk the water was only about a foot and a half in the deepest places.  Co-workers are probably still waiting to get out of there, poor guys.

Reckon the water has turned to ice yet?

Hmmm . . . probably?  Ugh, that's going to be a mess.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on December 13, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.

I got the "world's loudest bike horn" for Christmas last year, and I'm still not certain whether drivers can hear it. It gives me a sense of satisfaction to tell them off when they deserve it, though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 15, 2019, 06:44:30 PM
Just in case you were wondering, you shouldn't hop curbs when it's icy and you've got both panniers awkwardly loaded down. The worst part is when the drivers behind you stop to make sure you're OK after your superman dismount. Then you have to admit you've only hurt your pride. Got this advice from a friend . . .
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on December 16, 2019, 11:37:20 AM
I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.

I got the "world's loudest bike horn" for Christmas last year, and I'm still not certain whether drivers can hear it. It gives me a sense of satisfaction to tell them off when they deserve it, though.

I still use nature's "middle horn".
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on December 16, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.

I got the "world's loudest bike horn" for Christmas last year, and I'm still not certain whether drivers can hear it. It gives me a sense of satisfaction to tell them off when they deserve it, though.

I still use nature's "middle horn".
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=middle+horn

Fart?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 16, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.

I got the "world's loudest bike horn" for Christmas last year, and I'm still not certain whether drivers can hear it. It gives me a sense of satisfaction to tell them off when they deserve it, though.

I still use nature's "middle horn".
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=middle+horn

Fart?

That's why there are cutouts in some saddles.  Less middle horn muffling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on December 17, 2019, 09:11:16 AM
I suppose I could get one of those electric horns if I really wanted.

I got the "world's loudest bike horn" for Christmas last year, and I'm still not certain whether drivers can hear it. It gives me a sense of satisfaction to tell them off when they deserve it, though.

I still use nature's "middle horn".
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=middle+horn

Fart?


I wish farting worked on cars from the outside. Unfortunately, the only way to unleash them is inside, and that risks friendly fire.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tacopwr on December 17, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
I just crossed 2,000 miles of commuting on my ebike since I started again in April.

Hoping to keep up the pace this winter. I have been wearing my armored motorcycle gear and a snowmobile helmet and staying pretty warm! I have heated gloves on order though.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wg2mjErl.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: EscapedApe on December 17, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
I just crossed 2,000 miles of commuting on my ebike since I started again in April.

Hoping to keep up the pace this winter. I have been wearing my armored motorcycle gear and a snowmobile helmet and staying pretty warm! I have heated gloves on order though.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wg2mjErl.jpg)

Wait, heated gloves? Do tell more...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tacopwr on December 19, 2019, 11:39:15 AM
I haven't tried them yet, but essentially there is a tiny LiOn battery in each glove and a small heating element runs through each finger. Some gloves only do the back of the hand if that is all you need.

My current $20 3M Thinsulate gloves are total junk. The inside stay super damp from my sweat even after drying all night. My finger tips are totally frozen after about 10 minutes of biking this week in 25 degree F temps.

I am waiting on these ones:

https://www.thewarmingstore.com/mens-7v-heated-gloves.html
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on December 27, 2019, 12:01:29 PM
Got some Monkeylights for xmas. I had some great reactions to the EL wire wrapped on the frame of my other bike so we'll see if some fun stories come from these.

Happy riding!

(https://cyclingnewengland.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/monkey-light-a-151.jpg?w=718)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on December 27, 2019, 04:54:59 PM
I got EL lights for Xmas and my husband is currently outside attaching it all to the bike trailer. Yay!

I also got a nice bike pump, a bigger hand pump to complement the little portable one I carry around. I have a slow leaker on my front tire so I pump it up at least once a week, and I just don’t seem to have the upper body strength to get it pressured up enough with the little one.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on December 27, 2019, 08:41:13 PM
I got some Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers for Christmas - just what I wanted!  Took my first ride with them today, and had a few hiccups (they're larger than my previous panniers and were interfering first with my pedaling, then with the fender support).  Think I got them dialed in now.  They're not quite as easy to access as the old pair due to the roll-top closure, but the extra size and waterproofing should be very nice for the rest of the rainy season. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: x02947 on December 28, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
I now have two blinky lights for my back.  How do you mount one to your vest/helmet?  I have a high-vis vest (DoT level III, actually, lol) but it's a bit baggy and clipping a blinky to it doesn't work as it just flops around and ends up being wrapped up.

I could see taping through the clip to the vest with wide, multiple layer tails on either end, but that seems a bit cumbersome.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 28, 2019, 10:07:03 AM
I've developed a system of rubber bands to securely attach them to my backpack.  The best ones are the thick bands used to tie together broccoli.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: BikeFanatic on December 28, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
RE attach Blinky light-I use Zip ties and thread also. I also bought a Planet Bike light that comes with a rubber band mount for you seat post and managed to attach that to my helmet. Lights are VIP in WInter and when it is raining and dark.

Heated gloves, I have a pair also, as well  as a heated jacket, Both have to be repaired rather often. The little wires just were not meant to take a beating.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on December 30, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
I've developed a system of rubber bands to securely attach them to my backpack.  The best ones are the thick bands used to tie together broccoli.

Can't say enough good things about broccoli rubber bands, great functionality and free!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 06, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
The unique thing about biking is you get flipped off for obeying the law. *grumble grumble*
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 07, 2020, 11:18:18 AM
The unique thing about biking is you get flipped off for obeying the law. *grumble grumble*
What were you doing, taking the lane because there wasn't space to safely ride on the side of the road? How dare you delay motorists a few seconds.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on January 08, 2020, 11:12:43 AM
The unique thing about biking is you get flipped off for obeying the law. *grumble grumble*

Yes, I've been honked at for riding through crosswalks, but more often for walking my bike through them... honked at for stopping at stop signs, and for just existing on the road (in parking lane too with lots of room to pass), and even yelled at by a pedestrian to get the F* off the road... and I guess share the super small crowded sidewalk with him?


And in other news it's going down under -30C next week... that's about where free wheels and hubs freeze up. And where I switch from x-country ski gear, to down hill gear. Parka, Goggles, Snowpants, Winter boots, and double up on the mittens.

We shall see if I have any mechanical issues!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on January 08, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
The unique thing about biking is you get flipped off for obeying the law. *grumble grumble*
What were you doing, taking the lane because there wasn't space to safely ride on the side of the road? How dare you delay motorists a few seconds.

Yep, pretty much. The road in question has (1) a shoulder full of parked cars, (2) multiple signs/markings indicating that bikes get a full lane, and (3) three lanes going in each direction. He had plenty of room to go around.

This guy honked at me from behind - I turned my head to check what was happening, saw nothing concerning, waved and continued as usual - and he intentionally passed too close to me, half in the lane, slowly enough that I got several seconds of his middle finger. (He got those same several seconds of my bike horn.)

And then we IMMEDIATELY got stuck behind the same bus for multiple minutes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 08, 2020, 12:26:51 PM
This guy honked at me from behind - I turned my head to check what was happening, saw nothing concerning, waved and continued as usual - and he intentionally passed too close to me, half in the lane, slowly enough that I got several seconds of his middle finger. (He got those same several seconds of my bike horn.)

And then we IMMEDIATELY got stuck behind the same bus for multiple minutes.

In this kind of scenario I've found it best to not respond at all, and just pretend the ass isn't there.  He's just trying to get a rise out of you.  When you honk your bike horn he gets off on it, so opt out of playing that game rather than take any action whatsoever that can be seen as a reason to escalate things.

Last year I approached a yellow light and slowed to stop for the red.  The car behind me blasted his horn at me and swerved into the left lane to pass and run the red . . . right into the side of a cement truck that was entering the intersection (as it had turned green for cross traffic).  Karma has a way of solving these problems eventually.  But it helps to stick around for a few minutes and give a statement about the accident.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 08, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
The unique thing about biking is you get flipped off for obeying the law. *grumble grumble*
What were you doing, taking the lane because there wasn't space to safely ride on the side of the road? How dare you delay motorists a few seconds.

Yep, pretty much. The road in question has (1) a shoulder full of parked cars, (2) multiple signs/markings indicating that bikes get a full lane, and (3) three lanes going in each direction. He had plenty of room to go around.

This guy honked at me from behind - I turned my head to check what was happening, saw nothing concerning, waved and continued as usual - and he intentionally passed too close to me, half in the lane, slowly enough that I got several seconds of his middle finger. (He got those same several seconds of my bike horn.)

And then we IMMEDIATELY got stuck behind the same bus for multiple minutes.

In these situations while I'm waiting behind the impatient driver who just pulled some dangerous stunt I like to set my front light to "strobe". Then I angle it "just so" so it reflects off their rear view mirror.

Juvenile, but satisfying.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Yasha on January 09, 2020, 02:24:38 AM
I rode in to work yesterday and home from work today (splitting the commute while I build some strength). So much easier now I loosened my brakes which were constantly on juuuust a little bit (just enough to be riding a resistance bike the whole way!)!

Now to figure out why my gear changes go “click... nothing... nothing... *CLUNK*” especially when changing down gears to try and get up a hill. This is not the first bike I’ve had this happen with - am I doing something wrong? Any tips?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: scottnews on January 09, 2020, 04:44:54 AM
I’ve been a fair weather commuter for a while.   Since buying an ebike, I’ve sold my truck and gone full time.   Even picking my boy up from the from the Y has been a breeze.  So far, the coldest has been -5 fahrenheit.
(https://i.imgur.com/kNH37Cr.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on January 09, 2020, 06:39:42 AM
I am impressed at all of you riding in weather. Damn.

I started back at work yesterday and so had 26 miles total between dropping my kid off at school and then commuting to work. Naturally school is in the opiate direction of work. My battery doesn’t last long enough for all of that so I have to take my changer with my to work to get full for the ride home, then change again overnight.

My gears are struggling also to switch smoothly all the time and sometimes will fail to shift and then shift suddenly two gears at a time with a CLUNK. I figure I need to take it in for maintenance but I am curious what others think.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on January 09, 2020, 08:23:20 AM
Just sounds to me like you need to adjust your derailleurs.  You could take it in or do it yourself - just look up some videos on how to do it.  Likely no tools required, except perhaps a screwdriver for your limit switches. 

*Not an expert, but did stay at Holiday Inn Express.  I did learn how to adjust my derailleur, though. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 09, 2020, 08:25:22 AM
I rode in to work yesterday and home from work today (splitting the commute while I build some strength). So much easier now I loosened my brakes which were constantly on juuuust a little bit (just enough to be riding a resistance bike the whole way!)!

Now to figure out why my gear changes go “click... nothing... nothing... *CLUNK*” especially when changing down gears to try and get up a hill. This is not the first bike I’ve had this happen with - am I doing something wrong? Any tips?

Your rear derailleur is very likely slightly out of alignment.  Typically this is fixed by adjusting the barrel adjuster:

(https://giantcdn-qu2qwwv2de7wv85rz.stackpathdns.com/remote/www.giant-bicycles.com/_upload/news/2016/LivCampaigns/howtoderailleuradjustment_partsofthederailleur.jpg)


Put your chain on the middle (if you have three rings at the cranks) or large chainring (if you have two rings at the cranks).  Then put your chain on the second smallest cog at the cassette on the rear wheel.  Shift up to the third smallest cog on the cassette, then back down to the second smallest.  You will experience the delayed shifting going in one direction or the other.  If it is slow to shift to the easier gear, you tighten the barrel adjuster one click and try again.  If it is slow to shift to the smaller gear, you loosen the barrel adjuster one click and try again.  After a few turns you should be shifting smoothly up and down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on January 09, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
The way the cable sits on my front derailleur, when I am in one gear (I can't ever remember if it's high or low, but the "easier" one), the cable sticks out & brushes against my leg. This means the cap eventually comes off the end and then I just have pokey wires unraveling. Besides not using that gear, any suggestions on how to fix that? Also, should I be worried if the cable isn't bound together?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 09, 2020, 08:49:50 AM
The way the cable sits on my front derailleur, when I am in one gear (I can't ever remember if it's high or low, but the "easier" one), the cable sticks out & brushes against my leg. This means the cap eventually comes off the end and then I just have pokey wires unraveling. Besides not using that gear, any suggestions on how to fix that? Also, should I be worried if the cable isn't bound together?

Bend the cable with some pliers to an angle so it doesn't brush your leg.  Try switching to different gear combinations to make sure that it's not brushing your leg in all settings.

As far as the cap coming off, yeah that happens.  I have a small bottle of black nail polish that I paint the end inch or so of my cables with (and also do touch up when I scrape the black paint on my bike).  This keeps the threads from coming apart better than those little press on caps.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 09, 2020, 01:32:45 PM
The way the cable sits on my front derailleur, when I am in one gear (I can't ever remember if it's high or low, but the "easier" one), the cable sticks out & brushes against my leg. This means the cap eventually comes off the end and then I just have pokey wires unraveling. Besides not using that gear, any suggestions on how to fix that? Also, should I be worried if the cable isn't bound together?

Bend the cable with some pliers to an angle so it doesn't brush your leg.  Try switching to different gear combinations to make sure that it's not brushing your leg in all settings.

As far as the cap coming off, yeah that happens.  I have a small bottle of black nail polish that I paint the end inch or so of my cables with (and also do touch up when I scrape the black paint on my bike).  This keeps the threads from coming apart better than those little press on caps.

This. I usually use a bit of electrical tape wrapped around the end of the cable. The only real risk here is poking yourself in the leg with the sharp cable ends. Try not to do that.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on January 09, 2020, 01:56:09 PM
My gears are struggling also to switch smoothly all the time and sometimes will fail to shift and then shift suddenly two gears at a time with a CLUNK. I figure I need to take it in for maintenance but I am curious what others think.

You're having the same problem as Yasha, so fiddling with the barrel adjuster on your rear derailleur may help. Just be careful to only make small adjustments (quarter of a turn at a time) since it's also possible to make the shifting worse this way. I like the GCN repair videos on YouTube for doing this. You want the one on "indexing" your rear derailleur done by the skinny British guy.

If you haven't changed your gear cables in a the last year, doing that may also help. Over time the cables get dirty and this makes shifting sluggish. You can DIY this job, but you'll need cables, cable housing and cable cutters.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 09, 2020, 02:37:16 PM
As far as the cap coming off, yeah that happens.  I have a small bottle of black nail polish that I paint the end inch or so of my cables with (and also do touch up when I scrape the black paint on my bike).  This keeps the threads from coming apart better than those little press on caps.
Nail polish sounds like a good idea.

Last time I replaced my derailleur cables, I just found ways to route the excess out of the way without impeding shifting so that I could avoid cutting the factory ends.The front continues downward (top pull) to a small confined space in the frame behind the bottom bracket where it is folded into a few loops that holds itself there rather well. The rear is looped up into the bottom of my rack. Hadn't figured out a similar option for brake cables (but I have better luck keeping those together with the caps).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 09, 2020, 04:47:29 PM
Cut the damned cables you anarchist!  :P  That's wasted weight you're carrying around every time you cycle!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 10, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
Cut the damned cables you anarchist!  :P  That's wasted weight you're carrying around every time you cycle!
It certainly isn't the greatest source of extra weight.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on January 14, 2020, 10:42:31 AM
A new personal low temp commute today -31C (windchill -39C)... tomorrow might break it again with a forecast of -32C.

My mitts are a bit tight around the thumbs and they got cold, but fingers stayed warm. I do need to solve this fogging glasses problem and pick up some goggles or a ski helmet with built in visor/goggles. Right now my cheeks and eyes get pretty frosty, because I can't pull a face warmer up over my nose because my glasses immediately fog and then frost up. Otherwise I was probably overdressed, but that was by intention. I wanted to be able to walk if my bike gearing failed me. The IGH was sluggish (it took time with no pedaling the shift), but otherwise the bike worked great! Dynamo lighting, braking (rim brakes) were all good.

The coldest time is really the time required without mitts to lock and unlock: doors, bike cage, bike lock etc.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on January 14, 2020, 11:35:13 AM
The coldest time is really the time required without mitts to lock and unlock: doors, bike cage, bike lock etc.

Use thin gloves beneath your mitts.  Then you can leave the thin gloves on when you're locking up and putting things on/stripping them off of the bike, and slip your mitts back on immediately afterwards.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on January 14, 2020, 12:22:27 PM
The coldest time is really the time required without mitts to lock and unlock: doors, bike cage, bike lock etc.

Use thin gloves beneath your mitts.  Then you can leave the thin gloves on when you're locking up and putting things on/stripping them off of the bike, and slip your mitts back on immediately afterwards.

I do... but -31C is below the limit for thin gloves and the time I lock/unlock everything.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on January 15, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
Hello. I was wondering if anyone commuted on a single speed bike (with a freehub, not a fixie)? I have a main bike that I use for longer rides but it’s too good to leave anywhere. I could do with a bike to purely act as a mode of transport e.g cycle to friends, post office, and other errands etc. I would expect to only use it within a 5 mile radius of where I live and that’s fairly flat so hills aren’t a concern.

I was looking for the cheapest bike with the lowest maintenance and a SS seemed like the best bet, but I don’t know much about them. Anyone use one or know of what to look out for maintenance wise?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on January 15, 2020, 01:32:39 PM
Hello. I was wondering if anyone commuted on a single speed bike (with a freehub, not a fixie)? I have a main bike that I use for longer rides but it’s too good to leave anywhere. I could do with a bike to purely act as a mode of transport e.g cycle to friends, post office, and other errands etc. I would expect to only use it within a 5 mile radius of where I live and that’s fairly flat so hills aren’t a concern.

I was looking for the cheapest bike with the lowest maintenance and a SS seemed like the best bet, but I don’t know much about them. Anyone use one or know of what to look out for maintenance wise?

I do, and I love it! It's got a combo hub but I've only used the freewheel.  I'll repost what I wrote in another thread:

https://www.straycatbicycles.com/Bicycles.html

Single speed commuter built by a local guy- nothing fancy, but it does what I need it to. My city's pretty flat so single speed works just fine, and there's no extra maintenance/weight from components I don't really need. Bought it just over a year ago, and I haven't made any major modifications to it yet. I just bought a set of Ergo grips to give me some added hand positions but haven't installed them yet. Will probably add a rack/panniers on the back at some point.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on January 15, 2020, 01:52:44 PM
Thanks for the reply turketron. That bike looks so simple and elegant! How’s changing tyres with the wheels not being QR. Is it simple to tension the chain properly or have you not had to do this yet?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on January 16, 2020, 10:50:34 AM
Thanks for the reply turketron. That bike looks so simple and elegant! How’s changing tyres with the wheels not being QR. Is it simple to tension the chain properly or have you not had to do this yet?

I haven't had to change either tire yet, knock on wood! My city has pretty well-maintained bike paths which I use for most of my commute so I don't ride on the street much, and so far I haven't had any flats to deal with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on January 16, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
Ah well that’s good. Thanks again for the reply and congrats on having such a great single speed. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on January 20, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
I rode in the snow for the first time ever on Friday. I normally have a 25 minute commute over about 4 miles but I had an errand to run in an inconvenient part of town. The first leg of my trip went totally fine, but by the time I finished my errand & got back on the bike, the snow had really picked up & the ride home was pretty treacherous. I walked as much as I biked and made a really bad judgement call in riding across a metal bridge which was SUPER slippery. Probably not something I'll make a habit out of, but I was back on my bike this morning and the roads are clear here in Chicago!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on January 23, 2020, 10:24:13 AM
I rode in the snow for the first time ever on Friday. I normally have a 25 minute commute over about 4 miles but I had an errand to run in an inconvenient part of town. The first leg of my trip went totally fine, but by the time I finished my errand & got back on the bike, the snow had really picked up & the ride home was pretty treacherous. I walked as much as I biked and made a really bad judgement call in riding across a metal bridge which was SUPER slippery. Probably not something I'll make a habit out of, but I was back on my bike this morning and the roads are clear here in Chicago!

Congrats! Riding in the snow does take some practice, and you're really only suggesting a direction for your bike and not a strict line of travel. It helps to keep a loose grip, white knuckled tight grips while trying to maintain your normal tight line can make for some stressful snow bikes.

I assume your snow was wet and heavy - not dry, light and fluffy. The dry stuff is amazing to cut through and make some fresh tracks even when quite deep (although it can hide some deadly stuff - like hard packed ice car tire tracks that have deep vertical walls). The wet and heavy stuff... you may as well be walking because it's easier than pushing your bike through it.  Eek metal sounds awful!

My snow biking has definitely improved with practice - that and my city doesn't plow the sidestreets, which are my main bike routes... sigh.

You really gain an appreciation for why the Inuit have so many different words for snow.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on February 08, 2020, 10:22:58 AM
This week I finally bought a cable lock to secure my front wheel to my u-lock, which I now lock through the rear triangle as @GuitarStv instructed several pages back. Part of me feels this is frivolous, since my wheel has never been stolen BEFORE, but there's a first time for everything.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on February 08, 2020, 03:06:51 PM
I finally pulled the trigger and got rid of my vehicle!

I moved to an urban area about 5 months ago and have been riding my bike to work (~5 miles one way) maybe once every 2-3 weeks. Since the new year I upped it to riding to work once a week. At the beginning of February I sold my vehicle and am forcing myself to ride more often.

I plan to be posting here more often.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on February 09, 2020, 04:04:35 PM
I finally pulled the trigger and got rid of my vehicle!

I moved to an urban area about 5 months ago and have been riding my bike to work (~5 miles one way) maybe once every 2-3 weeks. Since the new year I upped it to riding to work once a week. At the beginning of February I sold my vehicle and am forcing myself to ride more often.

I plan to be posting here more often.

Way to commit!

Yesterday biking to the gym paid off even more than normal. I found a really nice blanket scarf abandoned on the sidewalk. Took it home, washed it and Spawn2 (my younger daughter) has been wearing it ever since. It goes especially nicely with her unicorn PJs. Only the best for my girl!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on February 11, 2020, 01:44:41 PM
I got a Monkey Wheel for my birthday! I am so excited to try it out, but alas, there has been too much snow and I haven't been on my bike this week at all.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on March 04, 2020, 11:12:51 AM
Just want to vent that I've had six flat tires in my last four rides. WTF!?!?!?

As far as I can tell, one (possibly two) was a pinch flat (my fault for being too lazy to fully air my tires and gawking at somebody being pulled over as I smashed over an uneven portion of sidewalk), two have been thorns, and the other two are a mystery.

I've switched over to slime tubes in hopes to stem the tide, fingers crossed. Also, props to the Tube Fairy, who stopped and gave me his spare tube when I was ten miles from home and had already used my spare tube on an earlier flat just a few miles back.

Seriously considering switching to tubeless for my road bike if my failure rate doesn't start decreasing significantly.

An update for the cycling newbies chat:

Since installing my slime tires, I've ridden at least 500 miles, with zero flats. Additionally, there's no noticeable rolling resistance penalty that I can feel. I'm hesitant to call it a complete win until after goathead season, but I'm very hopeful I have found a reasonable solution for flats. (Hopefully this doesn't jinx future me....)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 04, 2020, 12:31:49 PM
First rule of flatclub is you don't talk about anything being flatproof.  Ever.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 04, 2020, 12:37:46 PM
I'm a bit concerned that my helmet isn't offering me the best protection. I have a prominent bony forehead, and while the helmet covers it, I can't seem to make it secure - I can push it backwards off my forehead without much force. Tightening the helmet makes it grab tighter to the back of my skull and actually pull backwards off my forehead. Given that I use the stuff in there for thinking, does anyone have tips for protecting unusual skull shapes? My helmet is approximately like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on March 04, 2020, 12:45:51 PM
Second rule of flatclub: If it's flat, you're not drinking your beer fast enough.

I'm a bit concerned that my helmet isn't offering me the best protection. I have a prominent bony forehead, and while the helmet covers it, I can't seem to make it secure - I can push it backwards off my forehead without much force. Tightening the helmet makes it grab tighter to the back of my skull and actually pull backwards off my forehead. Given that I use the stuff in there for thinking, does anyone have tips for protecting unusual skull shapes? My helmet is approximately like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5)

My only small unqualified suggestion would be to try on a few helmets from a few different brands. My old cheap helmet flopped around a lot, but my fancier one seems to cinch down on my head.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 04, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
I'm a bit concerned that my helmet isn't offering me the best protection. I have a prominent bony forehead, and while the helmet covers it, I can't seem to make it secure - I can push it backwards off my forehead without much force. Tightening the helmet makes it grab tighter to the back of my skull and actually pull backwards off my forehead. Given that I use the stuff in there for thinking, does anyone have tips for protecting unusual skull shapes? My helmet is approximately like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5)


Helmets do come in different sizes and methods of adjustment.  Properly adjusted, your helmet should fit on your head snugly enough that it can't slip forward/back/side to side, and the strap under your chin should be snug but not tight.

From what you're describing of the helmet it kinda sounds like it's too small for you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 04, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
I'm a bit concerned that my helmet isn't offering me the best protection. I have a prominent bony forehead, and while the helmet covers it, I can't seem to make it secure - I can push it backwards off my forehead without much force. Tightening the helmet makes it grab tighter to the back of my skull and actually pull backwards off my forehead. Given that I use the stuff in there for thinking, does anyone have tips for protecting unusual skull shapes? My helmet is approximately like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/Zacro-Lightweight-Certified-Adjustable-Detachable/dp/B01NGZ44H1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=bike+helmet&qid=1583350572&sr=8-5)

Helmets also usually come with extra bits of padding so you can adjust the fit. If you can find the tiny bag of padding bits your helmet came with, they may help. Although, if it's too small, cramming more padding in there won't help.

Helmets do come in different sizes and methods of adjustment.  Properly adjusted, your helmet should fit on your head snugly enough that it can't slip forward/back/side to side, and the strap under your chin should be snug but not tight.

From what you're describing of the helmet it kinda sounds like it's too small for you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 04, 2020, 08:42:44 PM
From what you're describing of the helmet it kinda sounds like it's too small for you.

That does seem reasonable. I loosened it all the way and it does sit more forward on my forehead, but as I tighten it again it gets uncomfortably tight in the forward-backward direction while it's still loose on the side-to-side. It seems I have an unusually long and skinny skull. My trouble is that the only helmets I've encountered are very one-size-fits-all. The local bike shop caters to a lot of local athletes and is pretty pricey; is that my best option?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 05, 2020, 07:58:12 AM
From what you're describing of the helmet it kinda sounds like it's too small for you.

That does seem reasonable. I loosened it all the way and it does sit more forward on my forehead, but as I tighten it again it gets uncomfortably tight in the forward-backward direction while it's still loose on the side-to-side. It seems I have an unusually long and skinny skull. My trouble is that the only helmets I've encountered are very one-size-fits-all. The local bike shop caters to a lot of local athletes and is pretty pricey; is that my best option?


The price of the helmet doesn't matter.  Any but the cheapest of helmets these days tend to have decent adjustment features.  First and foremost, you want the helmet to fit properly.  Unfortunately, there are no standards that I know of for this.  Your best bet is to try on dozens of helmets until you find one where you can snug it up without it feeling wonky.  This might be a bike shop, a Wal-Mart, or any other store that sells sporting goods.  Manufacturers make helmets that fit differently, so when you find one that works for you you'll have a starting point the next time you need a helmet.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: stacheasaurus on March 05, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
Just started riding to work!  commute is 13miles one way, mostly flat, mostly with bike lanes/protected paths.  What a life changer to get a workout during the commute, save money, reduce car use, help the environment all with one activity!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 05, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
Be sure you're adjusting both legs of the triangle that goes around your ears.

Manufacturers make helmets that fit differently, so when you find one that works for you you'll have a starting point the next time you need a helmet.
I wouldn't count on this. By the time you need to replace your helmet the manufacturer has probably changed their product line several times and fit might not match what they had before.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on March 09, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
We've had a particularly snowy winter for us, and some spectacular thaw periods - that haven't cleared the ice. It's been a slog biking through new snow over frozen lakes... and it's never fun when the ice starts cracking under you and you don't really know how deep the puddle is. I actually preferred when it was super cold because the snow was hard packed and grippy - not soft and slushy.

I'm so looking forward to spring, but it was -13C this morning and we have another 20-25cm of snow forecasted for next weekend.
We've now had snow on the ground since about mid-October, and a snow storm every month since September.

How's everyone else's winter been. I hope some of you have had a mild one!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 18, 2020, 05:36:16 PM
This week will mark the first week in eight years that I've worked, been healthy, and not biked in even one day.  :(

I've been considering heading out for a ride around town just to clear my head before another day of WFH in the basement.  Does it still count as social distancing if cars are close passing me?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on March 18, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
This week will mark the first week in eight years that I've worked, been healthy, and not biked in even one day.  :(

I've been considering heading out for a ride around town just to clear my head before another day of WFH in the basement.  Does it still count as social distancing if cars are close passing me?

I used the excuse of having to pick up my laptop at work to do a nice 100 km yesterday (two-thirds of which were the trip to work and back). I'm thinking of doing another long bike ride tomorrow to get out of the dungeon.

Hopefully, things don't come to this: https://www.velonews.com/2020/03/news/restrictions-on-cycling-outdoors-extended-to-andorra_508085 (https://www.velonews.com/2020/03/news/restrictions-on-cycling-outdoors-extended-to-andorra_508085). Apparently the concern is for accidents that take up crucial hospital beds, but not sure why that wouldn't also apply to driving cars.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 18, 2020, 06:28:26 PM
Cars don't get in accidents!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 18, 2020, 06:53:17 PM
This week will mark the first week in eight years that I've worked, been healthy, and not biked in even one day.  :(

I've been considering heading out for a ride around town just to clear my head before another day of WFH in the basement.  Does it still count as social distancing if cars are close passing me?

Just take the lane so they're forced to give you more space ;-)

I went for a ride after work today. It was the first time in many years I've biked without having a destination. Is this how recreational riders do it? My bike is so much lighter without the loaded panniers.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 19, 2020, 05:26:10 AM
This week will mark the first week in eight years that I've worked, been healthy, and not biked in even one day.  :(

I've been considering heading out for a ride around town just to clear my head before another day of WFH in the basement.  Does it still count as social distancing if cars are close passing me?

Just take the lane so they're forced to give you more space ;-)

I went for a ride after work today. It was the first time in many years I've biked without having a destination. Is this how recreational riders do it? My bike is so much lighter without the loaded panniers.

I always have a destination when riding recreationally.  Otherwise I wander off the map in my back pocket and end up getting lost.  Actually, often get lost even with a firm destination . . . but at least my wife knows roughly where to start searching if I don't come back home.

:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on March 19, 2020, 06:24:55 PM
I just ordered a pair of running shoes since God knows when I will be going to work again, and I don't really bike recreationally.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 19, 2020, 06:28:52 PM
So . . . I did 60 km on back roads behind my house after WFH today.  Not sure if I should feel terrible about myself, but I figure it's still socially isolating as I wasn't with a group.  Surprising number of cars out and about - was hoping that maybe things would be quieter.  I feel so much better.  Riding the bike trainer indoors is brutal compared to actually being outside.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on March 20, 2020, 08:22:40 AM
So on top of everything happening globally, I broke my knee cap skiing two weekends ago. It wasn't even fun, it was VERY unmustachian, and now I can't bike when the roads are half empty. I'm so irritated. And if one person tells me it's a good time to be stuck inside I might scream. I'm so jealous of y'all.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 21, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Now that we're not allowed to bike to work my partner and I biked 8 miles round trip today - and it felt short! I think biking is a pretty dang socially distant option - the only time I MIGHT have come within 6 feet of someone was when a guy buried in his phone almost stepped into the crosswalk at the wrong time. It's certainly better than using a communal gym, if that were even allowed.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on March 21, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Now that we're not allowed to bike to work my partner and I biked 8 miles round trip today - and it felt short! I think biking is a pretty dang socially distant option - the only time I MIGHT have come within 6 feet of someone was when a guy buried in his phone almost stepped into the crosswalk at the wrong time. It's certainly better than using a communal gym, if that were even allowed.
Is bike commuting specifically not allowed in a shelter in place situation?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 22, 2020, 11:31:32 AM
My understanding is that outdoor exercise is still permitted. Usually the articles use walking and jogging as examples, and from my experience so far it is much easier to maintain 6 feet of distance in a bike lane than on a sidewalk.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on March 23, 2020, 09:08:33 AM
Italy, France, and Spain have all banned outdoor activity now, claiming it's dangerous & could bring more people into their already overloaded hospitals. Really hoping we don't go this direction in the US.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Boofinator on March 23, 2020, 09:14:49 AM
Italy, France, and Spain have all banned outdoor activity now, claiming it's dangerous & could bring more people into their already overloaded hospitals. Really hoping we don't go this direction in the US.

Ditto. We need outside activities more than ever right now just to stay sane. I would agree with a ban of doing any activities (outdoor or indoor) that consist of members outside of your housemates (let's face it: if our housemates have it, we're screwed anyways).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 23, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
People are not following quarantine procedures, are meeting with other people in groups.  I'm 100% certain that all outdoor activities will be banned.  When this happens it's going to be extremely hard to keep from going stir crazy!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 24, 2020, 02:22:44 PM
In my area there are still people out and about, but I'd guess that traffic during commute hours has decreased to 25-30% of normal. Our transit system switched to operating their Sunday schedule this week. With rain in the forecast for home bound commute hours, I rode the bus in. My route is the most used bus route in the city. With service cut to half the frequency, the bus had about half as many passengers as it typically would.

Although my job is nearly 100% on a computer, most of it involves accessing confidential information. Information Security Officer has not approved remote access to the systems I need from personal computers and we don't have adequate work owned notebooks to issue me one. In spite of this my team is alternating days at the office and days "working" from home (half the team here today, the other half here tomorrow). I'd estimate that only about 20% of our work is actually essential during this situation. At home I can access email, have calls forwarded, and may be able to access our online training system; so mostly able to plan and communicate about the work I will do on site and spend the balance of the time working from home completing training modules - may also seek out other sources of free work related training materials online during those hours. Will continue to bike to the office as long as I am required to be there. Might bike around my neighborhood after work on days that I work from home.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on March 24, 2020, 03:05:11 PM
Fellow bike commuters beware.

With the reduced amount of cars on the road, many drivers are paying less attention to their surroundings.  So be careful. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on March 24, 2020, 04:12:05 PM
Fellow bike commuters beware.

With the reduced amount of cars on the road, many drivers are paying less attention to their surroundings.  So be careful.

Yes. And many people are generally acting weird and panicked. Be very careful.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 25, 2020, 07:32:06 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/ae/d3/47aed3fd6dcfd6624b6547ae6a174fa8.jpg)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on March 25, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
I can understand wanting the protection commuting to work on a Pinarello!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 25, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
I can understand wanting the protection commuting to work on a Pinarello!

Kinda kills the light weight fun of the bike though.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: never give up on March 25, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
It'll be made of carbon for sure :-)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on March 31, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
We ordered a bike just before everything started to shut down - today we got notice that it's in, and will be built to pick up on Friday.... no just please snow snow go away I'd love to be able to ride it home :)

New bike day, n+1... so not mustachian (although this might be the one that convinces us to get rid of the car we haven't driven since November...)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on March 31, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
Sports Basement is offering 30% everything on their online store: https://shop.sportsbasement.com/

... because sometimes a Mustachian needs a Wahoo KICKR.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: runbikerun on April 01, 2020, 03:53:27 AM
Sports Basement is offering 30% everything on their online store: https://shop.sportsbasement.com/

... because sometimes a Mustachian needs a Wahoo KICKR.

If I was riding more regularly as opposed to running, I'd be seriously considering a Kickr or another smart trainer.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on April 01, 2020, 07:43:34 AM
Sports Basement is offering 30% everything on their online store: https://shop.sportsbasement.com/

... because sometimes a Mustachian needs a Wahoo KICKR.

If I was riding more regularly as opposed to running, I'd be seriously considering a Kickr or another smart trainer.

You would also have to change your username to bikerunbike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on April 01, 2020, 11:43:49 AM
Sports Basement is offering 30% everything on their online store: https://shop.sportsbasement.com/

... because sometimes a Mustachian needs a Wahoo KICKR.

If I was riding more regularly as opposed to running, I'd be seriously considering a Kickr or another smart trainer.
I tested it last night, it's a big improvement over a standard turbo trainer. The variation in resistance makes it easier to ride longer and it's closer to being out on the road. I actually have to downshift(in whatever mode I'm using) to go uphill.

There's also a mode where you can recall outdoor rides that you've already done from a Wahoo Elemnt bike computer, so you wouldn't need to have a monthly Zwift subscription to utilize the smart functions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on April 08, 2020, 03:10:44 PM
UGH I'm so annoyed! I am cleared to start trying for normal range of motion with 90 degrees expected in about 2 weeks. So, I was like perfect excuse to buy a bike trainer since I can't go to the PT clinic and gyms are all closed. But the Wahoo Snap is sold out everywhere and backordered for two months. Should have sprung for the deal that was posted here last week. I thought it would be longer before I was cleared to try to ride. :( :( :( :( Called every LBS and found one with the Saris M2 on order set to arrive next Friday, so I guess I'll settle for that one.

Hope everyone is staying safe & finding a way to get their biking fix!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 11, 2020, 07:46:57 AM
UGH I'm so annoyed! I am cleared to start trying for normal range of motion with 90 degrees expected in about 2 weeks. So, I was like perfect excuse to buy a bike trainer since I can't go to the PT clinic and gyms are all closed. But the Wahoo Snap is sold out everywhere and backordered for two months. Should have sprung for the deal that was posted here last week. I thought it would be longer before I was cleared to try to ride. :( :( :( :( Called every LBS and found one with the Saris M2 on order set to arrive next Friday, so I guess I'll settle for that one.

Hope everyone is staying safe & finding a way to get their biking fix!
Just bike outside. It's typically quite easy to maintain social distancing on a bicycle. Of course, I've only gone out a couple of times just to bike on days that I haven't been actually commuted so far.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on April 11, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
UGH I'm so annoyed! I am cleared to start trying for normal range of motion with 90 degrees expected in about 2 weeks. So, I was like perfect excuse to buy a bike trainer since I can't go to the PT clinic and gyms are all closed. But the Wahoo Snap is sold out everywhere and backordered for two months. Should have sprung for the deal that was posted here last week. I thought it would be longer before I was cleared to try to ride. :( :( :( :( Called every LBS and found one with the Saris M2 on order set to arrive next Friday, so I guess I'll settle for that one.

Hope everyone is staying safe & finding a way to get their biking fix!
Just bike outside. It's typically quite easy to maintain social distancing on a bicycle. Of course, I've only gone out a couple of times just to bike on days that I haven't been actually commuted so far.

Oh I would if I could. I'm rehabbing a broken kneecap, need a couple months before outside is an option & going to the PT clinic isn't a great plan right now either. So cobbling together my home recovery gym instead.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on April 29, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
Anybody here have experience with a bakfiets/cargo bike? Any recs, cautions, things you would do differently?

Some context: family is growing in August and I'm looking for a good way to carry baby (I'll probably wait for at least 6 months for safe helmet wearing) and any cargo simultaneously. I've thought about getting a trailer but they don't feel as safe to me. It just seems way too easy for a distracted driver to not see the trailer, whereas in a bakfiets hitting your kid means hitting your center of mass.

On the other hand the roll cage on a trailer offers protection. *shrug* Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2020, 07:30:25 AM
I used a trailer with our son when he was very young, and actually felt it was safer than other options.  With a child trailer I found that cars give you a wider berth.  It's lower to the ground, so no concerns of the kid dropping any distance and hitting his head.  The trailer is only a foot behind your bike.  A car that hits a trailer you're towing is going to hit your rear wheel and wipe you out on your bakfiet too, so not sure if there's any real safety benefit there.  The trailer that we had, I could actually roll it upside down and our son would stay in the middle safely strapped into the seat (just upside down), so there was actually a fair amount of protection.

One thing I found though, was that when my son was very young putting a helmet on his head was causing a lot of problems.  The helmet was too heavy, and then when we went over bumps his head bounced up and down too much and he didn't like that.  By the time he was two this stopped being so much of a problem, but before that I had to strap a car kid's seat inside of the trailer and forgo the helmet.  YMMV though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on April 30, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
We got a used bakfiet when I was pregnant with my third. We rode him sitting in the box in a carseat when he was a newborn - 9 months. At 9 months he transitioned to a rear bike seat with helmet combo.
I could fit the older two and the car seat and an older kids bike in the box of the bakfiet - and could carry diaper bag, and picnic on the rear rack. They are lovely for the kids, the love being in front and are easily protected from the weather :)

I struggled biking up hills - our bakfiet was imported from the Netherlands and definitely geared for flat roads and it's heavy. The hinged steering does take some practice to get used to (looking farther down the road helps). They have a long wheel base, so maneuvering in your neighbourhood around pedestrian gates might be difficult... they are hard to lift fully loaded over square curbs... you need curb cuts!

We have also carried a baby in a trailer, using one of these:   https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/bicycle-trailers/melia-baby-safety-seat/melia-baby-safety-seat-0-9-months/  (https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/bicycle-trailers/melia-baby-safety-seat/melia-baby-safety-seat-0-9-months/)

My favourite cargo bikes are longtails (ie extracycle), they won't fit a baby until they are about 9 months though as they have to go in a bike seat. They are geared well for load and hills, and maneuver closer to a real bike. Having the kids behind you is a struggle, but you can still talk to them better than if they are in a trailer - and they don't get as bored. They are not however protected from the weather like in a bakfiet or trailer. I found the longtail to be the best in winter - pulling trailers through snow is difficult, and we have not ever tried our bakfiet with studs in the winter. Although I have a friend that rides her (e-assist) box bike all winter long.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on April 30, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
Thanks for the input guys. My experiences are all colored by getting hit pretty catastrophically last summer. My therapist tells me that visualizing how bad it would have been if I'd had a small fragile human with me is unhealthy so I'm trying to research this without letting my brain obsess over the worst case scenario, heh.

It seems like in case of impact, the trailer is safer because they've got that roll cage. Bike mounted seats are more fun for kids but have an increased fall risk + no impact protection. Bakfiets/buckets offer a little protection and are fun.

I think I'm leaning towards trailer + carseat, then bucket when they're a little older.

@Kmp2 I looked up the longtails...so cute!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on April 30, 2020, 12:42:23 PM
Good luck Dee, tackling anxiety is difficult especially with your kids. I'm at the stage where I wish I could keep my kids on my bike (whichever the option)  forever... because watching them learn to ride on the road with traffic is definitely a heart outside your body moment. I wish I couldn't obsess over that worst case scenario!

It has definitely made me a better driver though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: katscratch on May 01, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
I commute on a longtail and there's another commuter in the work bike cage with a box bike. We've chatted and both of us have noticed that we get a lot more room from cars on our cargo bikes than we ever did with a trailer. My cargo bike is taller and just BIG compared to my regular bike so it's a lot more visible than I realized when I bought it.

I'm lucky to have a shop that specialize in transport and family biking in my city, so I could try out a ton of different options.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 01, 2020, 05:20:54 PM
I don't have personal experience with cargo bikes, but I found MMM from the blogroll of Hum of the City (https://humofthecity.com/). Great blog (now mostly inactive now that the kids are old enough not to be transported by parents) about family biking in San Francisco. Great reviews (https://humofthecity.com/category/reviews/) of various cargo bikes from a family biking in a very hilly place perspective (again a bit dated - last review was January 2017). If I had kids, I'd definitely get a cargo bike!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: x02947 on May 14, 2020, 06:23:01 AM
Hi y’all!  Essentially a biking newb here- haven’t rode a bike since wandering around my neighborhood as a kid.  ...

Well, it took 19 months, several practices, multiple failed attempts (always something that I would need to be home/elsewhere quickly for), taking up an exercise routine so I can pair that routine back by way of biking to work, nice weather, and a pandemic to clear out the traffic and office... but here I am.

Thanks to all the other people who posted after their first time to get me over that final mental barrier this morning when I was telling myself literally anything would be smarter than biking in. 

I forgot my glasses :)  (I'll be okay)



Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on May 14, 2020, 06:40:39 PM
Hi y’all!  Essentially a biking newb here- haven’t rode a bike since wandering around my neighborhood as a kid.  ...

Well, it took 19 months, several practices, multiple failed attempts (always something that I would need to be home/elsewhere quickly for), taking up an exercise routine so I can pair that routine back by way of biking to work, nice weather, and a pandemic to clear out the traffic and office... but here I am.

Thanks to all the other people who posted after their first time to get me over that final mental barrier this morning when I was telling myself literally anything would be smarter than biking in. 

I forgot my glasses :)  (I'll be okay)

Congratulations!
Be sure to check back in 2 weeks when you're fully addicted to those endorphins ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Apple_Tango on May 14, 2020, 09:53:34 PM
I have moved closer to work (6 miles away) and bought a bike. Next week I will bike to work at least one day. I’ve been building up my stamina and also my backside (ouch! A bike seat is no comfy couch) and I’ve gone up to 8 miles so far in one ride. The route is mostly on a bike path, with a few busy street intersections. I think it will take me about 50 minutes to bike to work each way on day one. I’ll check back in next week after my ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on May 14, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
Nice work to both newbies! You'll get over the butt soreness the more frequently you ride.

For me it took several months to overwrite my mental instinct that biking was "hard" and driving would be easier. I often promised myself I could bike as slow as I wanted, as long as I got out there. But my perspective did eventually shift, and my life is way better for it. Especially these days as I'm spending more time at home, biking is the best way I know to dissipate cabin fever.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on May 19, 2020, 11:18:51 AM
My area has an annual May Is Bike Month celebration of cycling. COVID-19 restrictions have cancelled all physical gatherings, but there's still online interaction and solo rides. I usually up my cycling a bit for May, but with COVID-19 restrictions limiting other activities, more time is available for cycling!. My goal is to ride 500+ miles this May - most days I'm riding 1.5-2 hours.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on June 24, 2020, 10:04:00 PM
Ahhhh, I've run two errands by bike this week and its been FABULOUS!

Now that we aren't doing 1/month big shops, to limit contact... I went out specifically for milk, cream, and a few veggies. I use to love heading to store by bike for an item or two a few times a week - an excuse to bike more than anything else.... and the other errand was to our community center.

I really miss my commute (recreational biking doesn't fit well into our days), I'm looking forward to daycare, school, work commutes - but those look a long way off still.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on August 09, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
Ahhhh, I've run two errands by bike this week and its been FABULOUS!

Now that we aren't doing 1/month big shops, to limit contact... I went out specifically for milk, cream, and a few veggies. I use to love heading to store by bike for an item or two a few times a week - an excuse to bike more than anything else.... and the other errand was to our community center.

I really miss my commute (recreational biking doesn't fit well into our days), I'm looking forward to daycare, school, work commutes - but those look a long way off still.


Same! Since our bike commute has been eliminated by COVID (we'll be WFH until at least March of next year, but my money is on June 2021 at the earliest) our opportunities to bike have also been more limited. In an effort to get more use out of our bikes we picked up a bike trailer on Craigslist for $40, and spent about $25 on couplers to attach them to our bikes. Did our first grocery run today and it worked great!

The fabric on the floor of the trailer needs some patching, but in the meantime we slid a couple of corrugated plastic yard signs on it which seems to be working pretty well to reinforce it. The cover also has some big tears that need to be patched, I'm thinking of getting some Tarp Tape or something similar to patch them up. All in all, worth the $65 or so we've paid to get it working!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 10, 2020, 10:16:10 PM
So here's a basic question. I know a bike helmet is only good for one collision. Is it still good if it has a clumsy owner who regularly drops it from waist height onto concrete?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 11, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
So here's a basic question. I know a bike helmet is only good for one collision. Is it still good if it has a clumsy owner who regularly drops it from waist height onto concrete?

It's hard to say.  The foam in a bike helmet is designed to protect in a single crash.  Dropping it from waist height onto concrete can cause the foam to crack/compress under the plastic shell (where you can't see it).  It's possible that the helmet is perfectly fine, but it's also possible that it's compromised.

Given that you can get a new helmet for as cheap as 20$, I'd be inclined to just do that.  If you can't do this for some reason, at the very least I'd carefully go over the inside of the helmet looking for cracks, then gently press on the plastic shell and try to feel for hidden indents underneath (indicating that compression has taken place).  If you find either, then toss the helmet.  Even if the helmet survives one (or two drops), if this is a regular thing, then you should buy multiple helmets and get used to throwing them out.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hadabeardonce on August 28, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/ is having a 25% off sale on Pearl Izumi clothing (Ends September 7th, 2020)
Check it out here: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/search?sale=pisft

I've had good experiences with PI stuff, so I bought two pair of their $38 bike shorts: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/pearl-izumi-mens-escape-quest-shorts?sg=1
(+ $29 jersey + $9 sweat/headband)

https://www.pearlizumi.com/ is having the same sale, but their website is slower and I don't think you can generate reward points through buying there like on BTD. (I had $12 in BTD rewards built up.)

End of summer should bring some good deals for those with needs for cycling stuff.

8/29 Update: Back Country is also a participating the same and you may be able to find promotions that stack:
https://www.backcountry.com/pearl-izumi?show=all&page=1
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Weisass on August 28, 2020, 05:56:01 PM
I started a new job this month... little under 10 miles from my door to work. It took a little, but I biked there last week and it was lovely on my e-bike. Found some good prospects for trails and low-traffic streets, and despite a few hills it was a breeze. I’m hoping to incorporate that ride twice a week, with the train on other days.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on August 28, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
I’ve been biking everyday to work these past two weeks — rain or shine. We DH also taught DD to bike this summer, so we will be biking to and from school and work on a daily basis when school starts on Sept 1.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Abe on August 28, 2020, 10:35:33 PM
So here's a basic question. I know a bike helmet is only good for one collision. Is it still good if it has a clumsy owner who regularly drops it from waist height onto concrete?

It's hard to say.  The foam in a bike helmet is designed to protect in a single crash.  Dropping it from waist height onto concrete can cause the foam to crack/compress under the plastic shell (where you can't see it).  It's possible that the helmet is perfectly fine, but it's also possible that it's compromised.

Given that you can get a new helmet for as cheap as 20$, I'd be inclined to just do that.  If you can't do this for some reason, at the very least I'd carefully go over the inside of the helmet looking for cracks, then gently press on the plastic shell and try to feel for hidden indents underneath (indicating that compression has taken place).  If you find either, then toss the helmet.  Even if the helmet survives one (or two drops), if this is a regular thing, then you should buy multiple helmets and get used to throwing them out.

Agree with this. Any sign of damage, throw it out. Traumatic brain injury is hard to recover from.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on August 30, 2020, 06:34:21 PM
I'm gearing up for a kind of reverse bike commute. I'll continue to WFH, but the kids wll bike to school any day it's not raining too hard. I'll probably ride wth one of them most days.

It may also finally be time to get a hitch and bike rack. Doing that would allow them to only ride one way if the weather's only going to be bad morning/afternoon. Would also free up my workday for actual work.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on September 04, 2020, 08:39:35 AM
Our high schooler is ebiking to school. Upgraded their bike lock. Loves it. Wakes them up, helps them unwind on the way home, feels more in control of their life during COVID. Way better than riding the bus and we like not having to brave the school line during our work hours to get them home. That's a 45 min round trip despite the small town. Gas and wear and tear on the car too.

Love where we live but sometimes wish it was flat and thus more bicycle physics friendly. Ebike is doing great with something north of 1100 miles on it. Was a ~$1200 Aliexpress purchase.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on September 04, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
Our high schooler is ebiking to school. Upgraded their bike lock. Loves it. Wakes them up, helps them unwind on the way home, feels more in control of their life during COVID. Way better than riding the bus and we like not having to brave the school line during our work hours to get them home. That's a 45 min round trip despite the small town. Gas and wear and tear on the car too.

Love where we live but sometimes wish it was flat and thus more bicycle physics friendly. Ebike is doing great with something north of 1100 miles on it. Was a ~$1200 Aliexpress purchase.
My love for cycling is rooted in the feeling of independence using my bike gave me in high school. Through most of high school, I delivered a small paper route by bike. I also visited a friend about 5 miles from my home independently by bike once - complete with planning my route with paper maps. My dad cycle commuted for decades as well, so I've never really thought of cycling to work as an unusual option.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on September 04, 2020, 10:34:19 AM
Me too. I grew up in a smallish place and could bicycle anywhere I wanted starting when i was about 12. I could go about 5 miles in any direction before I was geography challenged (mtns).

Am hoping our teen will bike more and drive less than the average American when they are old enough for a license.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on October 06, 2020, 02:54:11 PM
Alright, this isn't really a cycling newbie question but I'd rather start here than start a new thread entirely.

Two weeks ago I found an absolutely beautiful gently used carbon road bike on Craigslist & couldn't resist. But since then, I've barely rode it! Why? I freaking HATE the clip in pedal system.

My old road bike has SPD (2 hole) clips on one side & a flat pedal on the other. Super practical but not what the cool kids ride, right?

New bike has SPD-SL pedals and they feel terrifying. I ride in Chicago and my best case scenario to get to a bike path is minimum 10-20 stop signs and 3-5 lights, so it's quite a bit of stop & go riding. I actually can get out of the pedals pretty easily, that's not much different than what I'm used to. What I hate is getting started--getting my 2nd foot in from a stop takes 2-3 revolutions & I'm finding that unnerving in city traffic. My unclipped foot slips off the pedal several times before locking into place. I can't even imagine taking a quick left turn in them right now.

SO am I being an idiot & just need to let go of the "pride" of riding with "proper" racing pedals (I do not race & have no intention to do so...) or will I get used to this? Does anyone ride SPD's that are the little nubs (without the platform)? Am I going to have the same issue if I switch to those, meaning I should just get a second set of the pedals I already have (with a platform)?

Thanks y'all :)

The cost is basically a wash as I had to get new shoes for these pedals, which I'd return if I switched them out. I just want to make sure I'm missing anything before I give up!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 06, 2020, 03:51:15 PM
You can put whatever pedals you like on your fancy pants carbon bike. If you want flats with rainbow streamers, go for it! If you want SPD/flats, that's OK too.

Source: My carbon road bike has SPD pedals like this, https://www.amazon.ca/Shimano-M520-SPD-Pedals-2017/dp/B000KC3Y0G. I think they're technically mountain bike pedals. They're the bomb in traffic b/c I can instantly clip into either side. I also used to race triathlon and go on group rides with these pedals. No one's ever questioned me about them.

Do whatever makes your wheels spin ;-) Commuting on a carbon road bike is about maximizing fun.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 06, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
I use mountain bike pedals on my road bike . . . because it's important that I be able to walk around not like a penguin sometimes when off the bike.  Pedals are all interchangeable, if you don't like the ones on your fancy bike stick whatever makes you happy on it.  You can even take the ones on your other bikes off and swap.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 07, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
I use mountain bike pedals on my road bike . . . because it's important that I be able to walk around not like a penguin sometimes when off the bike.  Pedals are all interchangeable, if you don't like the ones on your fancy bike stick whatever makes you happy on it.  You can even take the ones on your other bikes off and swap.

Piling on. This is what I do.
@GuitarStv Thanks for writing what I want to say before I get to it. Just referencing your posts is so much easier than writing my own ;)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Hula Hoop on October 07, 2020, 02:07:09 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom? 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 07, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Leave 2-3 ft space when passing a parked car to avoid winning the door prize.

As far as what to do at work, if there are no showers I'd try commuting in a very relaxed manner.  If you go quickly you'll sweat a lot.  If the hills are too hard, it might even be necessary to walk up them.

Throw your work clothes in a pannier or in a bag that you strap down to your bike rack and just get changed at the office.  This way you can sidestep the problem of getting mud/grease/dirt on your fancy clothes (or getting a skirt/dress stuck in the chain/spokes).  Leave your shoes and a stick of deodorant at your desk at work (less stuff you carry, the lighter your bike is and easier the ride).

Give it a few tries too, every bike commute is a little different and comes with a little bit of a learning curve before you get it all perfect!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 07, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Many people swear by baby wipes for post-ride cleanup.

I bike in my work clothes, but my work clothes are, like, chinos and Chucks. Business-y does sound like maybe you need to change. If you don't get too sweaty, your makeup might be OK or you might need to do it there.

I know anything new is daunting at first but just jump in and you'll find your routine soon!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on October 07, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

A mile is a really short distance. You could walk it in less than 20 min and not worry about the bike, or you could do as GuitarStv suggested and just bike slowly. If there are steep hills or scary stretches of road, you could also just walk those parts and bike the rest of it. Personally, I'd bike in my work clothes and makeup for that distance with the exception of heels. If you have to wear those then pack them and bike in sneakers.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: parkerk on October 07, 2020, 03:52:46 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

There's lots of good advice here already.  I'll add in that you could try the ride on one of your days off first and see how you feel when you arrive, how sweaty/mussed up you get, etc.  That'll give you an idea of how much "cleanup" of your appearance you'll have to do when you arrive.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hal on October 07, 2020, 04:05:58 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

As an American who actually misses commuting, I'll just say I'm jealous... my new employer has stated that they think April will be the earliest that we go into the office. The walls of my apartment are starting to shrink in on me...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 07, 2020, 04:49:20 PM
I sometimes work up a bit of a sweat on my 5 mile mostly flat bike commute. I change my clothes and put on deodorant in the handicapped bathroom stall then touch up my hair at the sinks. There is a shower available, but I don't feel it is needed as long as I've cooled down adequately before changing clothes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on October 07, 2020, 05:10:12 PM
I have a 7 mile commute each way, but ride an e-bike.  That, and the fact I ride in (or did pre-COVID) the early morning when temperatures are generally quite cool where I live, allows me to wear my work clothes on the bike.  If I have to bike in later and/or it's hot and sunny out, I carry my work clothes and change once I arrive.  That's quite rare but has happened recently. 

For the commute home, when it's often warm/hot and sunny, I wear athletic clothing, turn down the electric boost, and get my sweat on.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: chicagomeg on October 07, 2020, 07:54:16 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

A mile is a really short distance. You could walk it in less than 20 min and not worry about the bike, or you could do as GuitarStv suggested and just bike slowly. If there are steep hills or scary stretches of road, you could also just walk those parts and bike the rest of it. Personally, I'd bike in my work clothes and makeup for that distance with the exception of heels. If you have to wear those then pack them and bike in sneakers.

Carrying shoes is a pain and it’s much easier to bike in heels than walk in them! Just ride. I’d go a mile in anything short of a full length ball gown, especially this time of year when the weather is mild.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Manchester on October 08, 2020, 06:17:49 AM
I wanted to join this thread and do my bit for the environment, but I'm really struggling to convince my fiance on this one.

She keeps arguing that it's completely unnecessary to cycle from the bedroom to my desk in the spare room.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 08, 2020, 09:04:29 AM
I wanted to join this thread and do my bit for the environment, but I'm really struggling to convince my fiance on this one.

She keeps arguing that it's completely unnecessary to cycle from the bedroom to my desk in the spare room.
Yes, a regular bicycle would be awkward due to its size on such a commute. However, if you learned to use a unicycle it might be totally doable.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 08, 2020, 09:25:03 AM
I wanted to join this thread and do my bit for the environment, but I'm really struggling to convince my fiance on this one.

She keeps arguing that it's completely unnecessary to cycle from the bedroom to my desk in the spare room.
Yes, a regular bicycle would be awkward due to its size on such a commute. However, if you learned to use a unicycle it might be totally doable.

You're both quite wrong.  An opportunity like this should not be passed up.

- You finally have a reason to bring the bike out of the garage and into the bedroom
- Encourages good bike handling skills
- Significantly reduced automobile traffic to fight though

I'm really only seeing up sides to the commute.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 08, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Hi Hula,

I had a similar bike commute, I started out packing my clothes and changing at work - partly because I went fast and I sweated. But as I got in better shape, and learned to go a bit slower I switched to biking 100% in my work clothes and shoes. It actually worked out to be faster overall. I do still have some strategies for poor weather that involve changing at work - like winter boots/rain boots and poncho (and I like to keep a set of spare clothes at work just in case something happens on the way).

And I would second the comment that it's easier to bike in heels than it is to walk - but you feet can get dirty if it's not dry - ALSO FENDERS are a must if you're going to bike in work clothes and it's wet on the ground...

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Hula Hoop on October 09, 2020, 05:09:33 AM
@Kmp2  - thanks.  I'll have to go to the bike store in search of fenders.  I never wear real heels to work.  I currently walk to work so my go-to is flat pumps - maybe with a half to one inch heel. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Freedomin5 on October 10, 2020, 08:31:40 PM
I'm about to bite the bullet and start biking to work on the 3 days a week that I currently go to the office.  I'm scared of the crazy traffic of my Italian city (that has notoriously crazy traffic) but it's a short commute - less than a mile- and I guess I'll just have to be careful.  I do see quite a few bikes now.  My fear is people opening car doors on the narrow streets without looking, crazy scooter drivers and people going through red lights.  Definitely wearing a helmet.

Some logistical issues - my work is on the formal end of business casual.  I usually wear skirts or dresses, do my hair and wear a minimal amount of makeup (kind of expected for professional women unfortunately) but I'm not sure how practical this is going to be on a bike.  Also - I guess I'll need to wear sneakers and change into work shoes once I get to work?  Do the rest of you cycle to work in business attire?  The commute involves some hills so I may get sweaty.  There are no showers at work.  Maybe I should cycle in casual clothes and change my whole outfit and apply makeup once I'm at work in the bathroom?

Hi Hula,

I had a similar bike commute, I started out packing my clothes and changing at work - partly because I went fast and I sweated. But as I got in better shape, and learned to go a bit slower I switched to biking 100% in my work clothes and shoes. It actually worked out to be faster overall. I do still have some strategies for poor weather that involve changing at work - like winter boots/rain boots and poncho (and I like to keep a set of spare clothes at work just in case something happens on the way).

And I would second the comment that it's easier to bike in heels than it is to walk - but you feet can get dirty if it's not dry - ALSO FENDERS are a must if you're going to bike in work clothes and it's wet on the ground...

I biked to work in professional clothing and flats. Scented baby wipes are your friend, especially if you sweat.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 17, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 17, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?

Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 19, 2020, 09:14:06 AM
It's time to put the studs on! And the pogies... since I'm not on a commuter timeline anymore I'm going to attempt to do my wheels myself this year... and that's no small feat as my main commuter bike has dynamo hub, internal gears and a fully enclosed chain guard... no quick release on this baby!

I'll let you know how it goes, and if I can figure out where all the screws and wires go back in...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 19, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?

Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 19, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
It's time to put the studs on! And the pogies... since I'm not on a commuter timeline anymore I'm going to attempt to do my wheels myself this year... and that's no small feat as my main commuter bike has dynamo hub, internal gears and a fully enclosed chain guard... no quick release on this baby!

I'll let you know how it goes, and if I can figure out where all the screws and wires go back in...
I don't have a clue what pogles are. I have had one morning commute where it felt like I need to get out arm/leg warmers soon.

After 6 months of working at about 50% capacity (officially WFH on alternating days, but very little access to systems I need for work) I have finally been issued a laptop and can access 99% of the systems I need from home. I was informed that I am still expected in office on alternating days (100% of my work is on computer and only one system that I use about once a quarter is not accessible over VPN). Unfortunately the notebook that I have to add to my commute is too long to fit in the bags I use (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F9QYLRX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I did work out securing it by placing the laptop bag across the top of my bags and using it's shoulder strap fed between the front and back of my bike rack through the luggage handle pocket of the laptop bag. I haven't decided what I'll do when it is wet. I typically have just taken transit on days when rain was expected (perhaps 30 commute days a year for me) but I'm not thrilled about the idea of transit with COVID-19. Perhaps I'll tackle putting a fender/mudguard on my suspension fork this year. I hope my rain cover will fit over the laptop bag.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on October 20, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
pogies are another word for BarMitts. They are attached to the handlebars and allow you to slide your (mitted/gloved) hand in and access the brakes and handlebars. They are essential for me to continue biking in -10C and colder :) - so not in California.

https://bikepacking.com/gear/pogies/ (https://bikepacking.com/gear/pogies/)

It did not go well... as in I haven't started that bike yet - but I did get 1 stud on the front of my cargo bike (My husbands main bike) so I can do my CSA pickup by bike today - I just have to convince a kid to come and weigh down the rear tire so I have traction. Since it's a high of 3C... I think I have good chance at getting one to go!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on October 21, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?


Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.

They make a rack mount for the Superflash so I just bought that and fingers crossed it will mount OK. Moose rack is a Burley rack that is special for towing a trailalong bike called the Piccolo. I had to get that kind because I can't attach anything to my seat post! We don't use the Piccolo anymore but my younger kid isn't ready to get rid of it... and I will probably keep the rack anyway because it's already on there and installed.

I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 21, 2020, 11:30:17 AM
I need a new tail light. I would prefer something that could mount horizontally on the back of my Moose cargo rack. I am very short a light affixed to my seat post would be obscured by all the books and snacks in my Wald baskets.

I also prefer that it run on batteries because my front light and my Monkey wheel lights both have to be USB charged and I don't want to be a slave to plugging and unplugging lights! Any suggestions?


Planet Bike Superflash Turbo.

It's pretty bright, good flash pattern, and runs forever on two (hopefully rechargeable) AAA batteries.
Mine will run on rechargeable batteries after the batteries soon. I've had it for over a year and I'm still running on the alkaline batteries that came with it.

I'm not familar with the rack you want to mount it to. The SuperFlash has a clip that would work well on a belt and comes with a seatpost mount. I currently clip mine to the back of my helmet and use a rechargable light on my Blackburn Ultimate Commute Rack 2, but the SuperFlash has worked well on my rack in the past.

They make a rack mount for the Superflash so I just bought that and fingers crossed it will mount OK. Moose rack is a Burley rack that is special for towing a trailalong bike called the Piccolo. I had to get that kind because I can't attach anything to my seat post! We don't use the Piccolo anymore but my younger kid isn't ready to get rid of it... and I will probably keep the rack anyway because it's already on there and installed.

I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.

No problems fitting Amazon basics rechargable batteries in a Superflash Turbo.  I've been doing so for quite a while now.

In a pinch you can also create your own rack mounts with zip ties and small scraps of PVC electrical conduit.  This gives you a round thing to clamp to that's about the same diameter as a seat post.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 21, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
pogies are another word for BarMitts. They are attached to the handlebars and allow you to slide your (mitted/gloved) hand in and access the brakes and handlebars. They are essential for me to continue biking in -10C and colder :) - so not in California.
OK, I've heard of bar mitts before.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on October 21, 2020, 07:50:28 PM
I hope it will FIT rechargeable batteries. IME they are infinitesimally larger than regular batteries. In my pencil sharpener, I was able to get two of the four to be rechargeable before they wouldn't fit, for instance.
I've experienced this problem where the battery slides into the holder from the end. I can usually get the batteries in, but sometimes have a bit of difficulty getting them out. I think I've experienced this more with AA batteries than AAA.

The SuperFlash batteries are AAA, side loaded.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on October 26, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
I've been slowly adding to my bike maintenance skills.
I have started cleaning, degreasing, and re-lubing my own chain.  My bike used to only get this done twice a year, when I bring it into the LBS for it's pre- and post-winter tuneups.  I put about 60 miles per week commuting, and most videos I watched recommended re-lubing every 2 weeks at my riding volume.  I'll be happy if I can get this done once per month.   
My question is, how do you all judge whether to use dry lube vs wet lube?  For reference, I live in Chicago.

My second question is, does anyone bleed and change their own hydraulic disc brake fluid?  Do I just buy a sub-$30 brake fluid kit and some mineral oil off amazon?

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 26, 2020, 01:39:19 PM
Lube questions are very personal.

:D


That said, I pick lube based on riding conditions.  If you're riding in the desert or very dry/dusty conditions, use dry lube.  The idea is that dry lube will attract less dust and debris and keep your drivetrain cleaner.  Cleaner means less wear.

It's never that dry around here, so I go between a light wet lube for spring/summer/fall riding (I use prolink progold, but there are plenty of others that are just as good) and a heavy wet lube for winter riding through salt, snow, and slush (white lighting wet ride - but again, there are others out there).

Spring/summer/fall I'll relube my chain every couple weeks (usually about 400 km) or after every long wet ride.  You don't need to go crazy, just wipe the chain off with a rag, put a drop of oil on every link, wait 10 minutes, then wipe off any excess.

Winter bike gets it's chain cleaned and then new lube after every salty ride, otherwise the chain will rust and the links will stick.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 26, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
I lube my chain whenever I start to hear it. I don't know if that's a good measure or not, but I rarely have to ride in non-perfect weather so it's not generally urgent.

I likely need to replace my rim brakes, so I'll be looking up youtube videos for that soon.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on October 27, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
Lube questions are very personal.

:D


That said, I pick lube based on riding conditions.  If you're riding in the desert or very dry/dusty conditions, use dry lube.  The idea is that dry lube will attract less dust and debris and keep your drivetrain cleaner.  Cleaner means less wear.

It's never that dry around here, so I go between a light wet lube for spring/summer/fall riding (I use prolink progold, but there are plenty of others that are just as good) and a heavy wet lube for winter riding through salt, snow, and slush (white lighting wet ride - but again, there are others out there).

Spring/summer/fall I'll relube my chain every couple weeks (usually about 400 km) or after every long wet ride.  You don't need to go crazy, just wipe the chain off with a rag, put a drop of oil on every link, wait 10 minutes, then wipe off any excess.

Winter bike gets it's chain cleaned and then new lube after every salty ride, otherwise the chain will rust and the links will stick.

Thanks @GuitarStv.  If you're in Toronto, then we have similar weather here in Chicago.  I was just thinking about your post as I rode in today in a snowstorm.  I only have dry lube on hand since I just started learning this over the summer.  I'll look into getting some of that white lightning wet ride, because it looks like I'll be needing it.

Anyone have any advice on changing disc brake fluid and bleeding the line?  I think I'm more hesitant to jump in on this because the stakes of messing up your brakes are higher.  What's actually going on with my brakes is there is a slow leak of fluid around one brake lever.  From what I read online of leaks in this area, if there are no obvious sources (gasket worn down or not sitting flush, or hose loose), there isn't really anything else to "fix", and you're better off just replacing the entire lever.  The leak is a very slow leak though, from the last time it was bled to the brake loosing all pressure is about 3 months, so I thought maybe I could just top off with fluid every few months.  My other brake is working fine.  I really don't want to take the bike into the shop for a $40 brake bleed if I can just top it off myself. 


Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 27, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Sorry, I've got no experience playing with disc brakes (although they're very nice to ride).  All my bikes are rim brake versions.

The wet ride lube is very thick . . . so be prepared that you'll have to clean your chain pretty regularly when you start using it.  Especially compared to dry lube, it's a dirt magnet.  It does work well to prevent rust on the chain though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 02, 2020, 11:40:02 PM
Anyone have any advice on changing disc brake fluid and bleeding the line?  I think I'm more hesitant to jump in on this because the stakes of messing up your brakes are higher.  What's actually going on with my brakes is there is a slow leak of fluid around one brake lever.  From what I read online of leaks in this area, if there are no obvious sources (gasket worn down or not sitting flush, or hose loose), there isn't really anything else to "fix", and you're better off just replacing the entire lever.  The leak is a very slow leak though, from the last time it was bled to the brake loosing all pressure is about 3 months, so I thought maybe I could just top off with fluid every few months.  My other brake is working fine.  I really don't want to take the bike into the shop for a $40 brake bleed if I can just top it off myself.

My MTB has hydraulic disc brakes. I say go forth and prosper. It's a pretty simple system, so use this as chance to stretch your DIY muscles. While it is a safety system, it is easy to check and troubleshoot. Bubbles are your biggest hurdle but luckily bubbles follow physics, so just ensure the reservoir is your highest point.

tl;dr - it's not as scary as it seems, YouTube is your friend. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on November 11, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
OK I screwed it up.  The threaded tip of the funnel broke within the brake fluid reservoir, on my first attempt. Needless to say, I'm quite disappointed.
I requested a refund on this bleed kit from Amazon.  I was pretty bummed at first, ready to give up and bring the bike to the LBS, but I thought I'd give it another shot, this time buying a shimano OEM kit instead. 
I used needle nosed pliers to jam into the plastic tip and unscrewed it out from the inside.  Bits of plastic were crumbling but I think I got all of it out.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 11, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Nice job!


I have no experience with bleeding hydraulics on bikes, but it always looked kinda fiddly.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 11, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Nice job!

@erutio
Agreed!
I find the first time to be the biggest mental hurdle.  Now it'll be easier and easier, even if you only notice a slight improvement each time (I'm looking at you, Gear Indexing).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on November 12, 2020, 11:13:56 AM
Nice job!

@erutio
Agreed!
I find the first time to be the biggest mental hurdle.  Now it'll be easier and easier, even if you only notice a slight improvement each time (I'm looking at you, Gear Indexing).

This is true. Well, by the 10th time I did gear indexing it finally started to click and I didn't have to reference the tutorial video for every step.

I'm also no help with hydraulic brakes. Spawn1's bike has cable actuated disc brakes and I can confirm that they're very different from the rim brakes I'm used to. Especially when she mysteriously knocks them out of alignment. At least I'm getting quite a bit of practice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 13, 2020, 12:25:29 PM
I have a 7 mile commute each way, but ride an e-bike.  That, and the fact I ride in (or did pre-COVID) the early morning when temperatures are generally quite cool where I live, allows me to wear my work clothes on the bike.  If I have to bike in later and/or it's hot and sunny out, I carry my work clothes and change once I arrive.  That's quite rare but has happened recently. 

For the commute home, when it's often warm/hot and sunny, I wear athletic clothing, turn down the electric boost, and get my sweat on.

Mine is similar but lots of hills. Ebike keeps it fun..

Anyone newly trying to ride to work: do test runs on the weekend when you can wear casual clothes and see if you like it. Also scope out places to lock up your bike. Watch videos on best ways to lock up your bike.

Your commute is short but I still test out new routes. Tried one recently that involved a very short 500 ft run on the shoulder of a busy road. Nope!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 13, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
I wanted to join this thread and do my bit for the environment, but I'm really struggling to convince my fiance on this one.

She keeps arguing that it's completely unnecessary to cycle from the bedroom to my desk in the spare room.

At least it would be safe and traffic would be light. Oh - and flat!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on November 13, 2020, 12:36:08 PM
I lube my chain whenever I start to hear it. I don't know if that's a good measure or not, but I rarely have to ride in non-perfect weather so it's not generally urgent.

I likely need to replace my rim brakes, so I'll be looking up youtube videos for that soon.

Consider upgrading to disc brakes eventually. Wet stopping is much better than rim brakes. My brake pads last alot longer too.

Tektro has cable brake kits with rotor, caliper and pads for ~$25 per wheel. Other affordable brands are out there too of course.

Your bike needs mounting holes for the bolts and your wheels need hubs that accept rotors.
They are still cable brakes but if you aren't riding in mud, salt, freezing weather, etc. I think cable brakes are fine. Hydraulic is nicer but whatever. Hydraulics = lighter touch to stop.

When my wheels wore out, I switched to discs. Love them far more than I though I would. 3000+ miles on the Tektro brakes and no problems. They need 2 mins of adjustments with an Allen wrench from time to time as the pads wear.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sebi13 on November 13, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 13, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sebi13 on November 13, 2020, 01:07:39 PM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

Interesting! I never gave much thought about this. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: hal on November 15, 2020, 09:13:05 AM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 15, 2020, 10:31:22 PM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.

+1
I really like the example of strobe lights growing up. When you and your friends are in a dark room with a strobe light, it's pretty trippy to try to follow your friends' movements. This is the same effect when we ride with only strobe lights at night.
Also, the descriptors "Be Seen" lights and "To See" lights is handy way to remember the differences (daytime vs nighttime): flashing during the day, solid after dusk.

Here's some places to learn more.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/LED-headlights.html
https://cyclingsavvy.org/2020/10/bicycle-lights/

*Also a plug for riding in primary position (not edge riding): reflective items are very dependent on the observation angle and reflective angle. When we're on the edge, the reflective items don't make us as visible as we think they do.
Riding in front of the vehicle is the best visibility location.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on November 16, 2020, 07:45:11 AM
For curiosity's sake, do you let your read light blink or is it flashing continuously? I always put it it in the flash continuously mode (probably due to 'I always did it this way'; no particular logical reason), but lately I see many people with blinking rear lights. Are blinking lights more visible?

The studies that I've read about bike lights are illuminating on the matter.  :P


Basically, the human brain is more attracted to blinking patterns (good, you want people to see you on your bike!).  The downside is that a blinking light is harder for the human brain to process distance information from.  The human brain best processes distance if there is a pair of two solid lights more than a foot apart from one another (the widening distance between the two points is what the human brain uses to gauge distance).

My take on things is that if you're cycling in a city with lots of street lights or during the day you're safest with your rear light blinking (cars can gage distance because they'll see your outline - but only if they are paying enough attention to see you to begin with.  Blinking helps with that).  If you're cycling on dark roads or a quiet town where there are long stretches without much light you're probably best off to use two solid lights.

Near as I could figure, a single non blinking rear light is always the worst to use.

I have seen basically the same info. And anecdotally, on their own, very bright blinky lights can be jarring for me (as a driver) when it is dark at night. I feel safest when I have one steady front light, one steady rear light, and one slow pulsing (not blinky) rear light. At night I also wear a reflector, and my bike has reflective 3m tape on it.

+1
I really like the example of strobe lights growing up. When you and your friends are in a dark room with a strobe light, it's pretty trippy to try to follow your friends' movements. This is the same effect when we ride with only strobe lights at night.
Also, the descriptors "Be Seen" lights and "To See" lights is handy way to remember the differences (daytime vs nighttime): flashing during the day, solid after dusk.

Tiny addendum to this - a strobing rear light is bad to use at night if you're riding in perfect darkness.  If the vehicles behind you have headlights that are on, this doesn't really apply as soon as you get in the range of their headlights (because the headlights will significantly overpower the tiny flashing bike light).  If you're riding on city streets lit by streetlights, or in a busy/bright downtown core this concern about flashing does not apply and the strobing light makes you significantly more visible.




*Also a plug for riding in primary position (not edge riding): reflective items are very dependent on the observation angle and reflective angle. When we're on the edge, the reflective items don't make us as visible as we think they do.
Riding in front of the vehicle is the best visibility location.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/reflectors.html

Learning when to take the lane is an important part of learning to safely cycle in traffic.

Never assume that reflective items are working as expected though.  They're simply unreliable.  They don't work at all in dusk settings when many vehicles are driving around without their headlights on.  They work at radically reduced efficiency when there is precipitation going on . . . fog, snow, and rain all seriously reduce how well reflectors work because they block the light getting to them and then getting back from them.

It was really eye opening doing some tests in front of my wife's car with my cycling gear and discovering the things that work or don't.  I'd strongly encourage anyone who commutes regularly in the dark to do similar with their own gear.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on November 16, 2020, 10:18:09 AM
I decided to spring for a SuperFlash Turbo on the advice of those in this thread.  I'm pretty happy with my visibility at night, but want to improve my visibility in low light conditions (especially as I plan to move to an overcast/rainy area of the country in the next year). 

Took some effort to find a good place to mount it, as I use a rear rack and trunk bag, with space needed for panniers and my trailer hitch connection (on the rear rack).  Think I eventually found a spot and secured it with a couple of zip ties. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 16, 2020, 04:21:14 PM
Tiny addendum to this - a strobing rear light is bad to use at night if you're riding in perfect darkness.  If the vehicles behind you have headlights that are on, this doesn't really apply as soon as you get in the range of their headlights (because the headlights will significantly overpower the tiny flashing bike light).  If you're riding on city streets lit by streetlights, or in a busy/bright downtown core this concern about flashing does not apply and the strobing light makes you significantly more visible.

Good add, the referenced articles go into that. I definitely go with one flashing and one solid.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on November 18, 2020, 10:56:49 AM
I was thinking the problem with trying to provide solid lights that help with gauging distance is that it is usually quite difficult to get enough width on a bike. However, the distance between lights could be vertical. I currently ride with my SuperFlash Turbo clipped to the back of my helmet and another flashing red light on my rack. On the front I have a similar flashing white light and a Blaze 150 that I use when it is dark. I'll have to consider switching the red lights to solid if I'm ever riding where it is truly dark (probably would need a better headlight too).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 18, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
The cargo rack mount I bought for the Superflash did not make sense with the rack I have. Couldn't figure it out. Fortunately, it only took me a minute to realize that I don't have to mount it at all because clips very nicely onto my Wald basket!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 18, 2020, 04:58:58 PM
The cargo rack mount I bought for the Superflash did not make sense with the rack I have. Couldn't figure it out. Fortunately, it only took me a minute to realize that I don't have to mount it at all because clips very nicely onto my Wald basket!

Niiice
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on November 18, 2020, 05:04:33 PM
I was thinking the problem with trying to provide solid lights that help with gauging distance is that it is usually quite difficult to get enough width on a bike. However, the distance between lights could be vertical. I currently ride with my SuperFlash Turbo clipped to the back of my helmet and another flashing red light on my rack. On the front I have a similar flashing white light and a Blaze 150 that I use when it is dark. I'll have to consider switching the red lights to solid if I'm ever riding where it is truly dark (probably would need a better headlight too).

I hear ya. I mostly ride in a Dark Sky city but sometimes do some rides in a metropolitan city that's lit up like a football field. There's so much that you never knew you never knew until biking is your main form of transport, I find it fun :) It makes me passionate about education since drivers/non-bikers/beginners just are not set up for success in understanding the wide world of cycling.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on December 25, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Haven’t dropped in this thread in quite a while.

Now that my daily bike commute is over due to Covid, I don’t want to keep my bike in my 1 bedroom apt all the time. We have a back patio and a place to lock my back up underneath the patio, but should I be concerned about the elements? I’m in Northern CA, so there isn’t a ton of rain and the patio blocks 99% of the rain. However, a small amount of water may splash and the general outdoor weather. I have about a 1k Trek bike. Should I not keep it outside or does this seem like a suitable storage location?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on December 26, 2020, 09:48:29 AM
Throw a tarp over it and securely lock it.  The tarp helps hide the bike from thieves and keep weather off it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on December 26, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
Throw a tarp over it and securely lock it.  The tarp helps hide the bike from thieves and keep weather off it.

Ditto. Or use my coworker's trick and cover it with a BBQ cover. Thieves will think it's a BBQ, which are apparently less interesting to steal.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on December 27, 2020, 01:49:48 AM
Have a locked/gated backyard, with it u-locked and tethered to a metal post. Assuming it’d be impossible to steal, but ya never know. Worst comes to worst, I believe my renters insurance would cover it? Minus the deductible of course.

Will definitely get a tarp for weather though.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on December 29, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sebi13 on January 01, 2021, 01:54:30 AM
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on January 01, 2021, 11:21:27 PM
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?
It's about an 11km round trip so not long at all but a whole lot of hills in heavyish traffic that I try get through asap. When I am in condition, I barely notice it. After an 8 month break, going in a few weeks ago wrecked my glutes for a fortnight!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: sebi13 on January 02, 2021, 02:08:38 AM
We are not heading back to the office yet but I 'm back on the bike and slowly getting my riding legs/butt back in anticipation of the future commute. Starting slow and on the mostly flat to begin with.

Good idea! How long is your commute gonna be?
It's about an 11km round trip so not long at all but a whole lot of hills in heavyish traffic that I try get through asap. When I am in condition, I barely notice it. After an 8 month break, going in a few weeks ago wrecked my glutes for a fortnight!

Sorry to hear about your glutes. Hope they have recovered by now! I used to have a 32km round trip, but on a completely flat road and for 95% next to a river and 100% on a dedicated bikeway. I hate cycling on the same road as cars, especially if there's a high speed limit. I totally get that you want to get through as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on January 05, 2021, 04:20:25 PM
First ride of 2021 happened today for me; spent about 1.5 hours of a 2 hour lunch break to ride 18 miles (working from home today).

I got a Mi Smart Band 4 for Christmas but have yet to figure out how to log my rides with it. I've been using Ride with GPS to record my rides and sync them with Strava for a few months; I think tracking with the Ride with GPS app is preventing the Mi Fit app from using GPS location services.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Kmp2 on February 04, 2021, 03:31:01 PM
I have had 3 rides so far in 2021... so many fewer than last year :( - Thanks covid!

Today's was brilliant sun, above freezing and slushy, snirty caky snow! It was a workout.
and I got a bike in just before we dip into a very cold snap tomorrow and another 10cm of snow is expected.

I'm still running my step-through full chain guard IGH Dyanmo bike with just a front stud - it seems fine. Alternatively we have cargo bike with two studded tires if I feel better with that so I probably won't attempt a full tire change on the tricky bike this year.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: conthecoloradoclimber on February 05, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
I've not been biking to work, but riding an electric skateboard instead, I take my dog with me everywhere and he likes to run while I skateboard. I live 2.3 miles from work and out of the 15 work days I've bike 12 of them. The 3 days I drove were in snowstorms.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on February 06, 2021, 01:03:19 PM
We are heading back in to office and it's getting me back on my bike. I've been taking it slow and steady on the commute which seems to be helping me avoid the glute problems I was having in December. It feels really good to be riding again.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 16, 2021, 08:07:07 PM
This post is a kick in my own pants. Daylight savings time means it's still sunny at 5:00 and now is a perfect time to get back in the biking habit.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 16, 2021, 08:23:34 PM
Just sold my car, so there's no choice for me either way.  Gradually buffing up my portfolio of biking clothing to match whatever conditions I might face, especially as I leave SoCal for the PNW.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 17, 2021, 11:02:29 AM
This post is a kick in my own pants. Daylight savings time means it's still sunny at 5:00 and now is a perfect time to get back in the biking habit.
I agree, for seasonal cyclists it is a great time to get back into it in many areas.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on March 22, 2021, 01:32:44 PM
Just sold my car, so there's no choice for me either way.  Gradually buffing up my portfolio of biking clothing to match whatever conditions I might face, especially as I leave SoCal for the PNW.

Heck yes, this is so motivating to hear about. Congrats!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Weisass on March 22, 2021, 07:53:44 PM
Just sold my car, so there's no choice for me either way.  Gradually buffing up my portfolio of biking clothing to match whatever conditions I might face, especially as I leave SoCal for the PNW.
That’s awesome! We still have one car for our six person family, but I dream of ditching it someday when the kids get a bit older. It’s so lovely to ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Zamboni on March 24, 2021, 06:20:22 PM
I haven't been cycling to work lately . . . bc work from home.

But, I imagine things will be going back to some sort of normal office schedule this summer or fall. There are a couple of challenging hills on my commute that are probably going to give me a heart attack someday.

So, with that is mind, has anyone tried the swytch kit? I just saw an advertisement for it on youtube and it kept me from clicking "skip ad" as fast as I normally do.
https://www.swytchbike.com/ (https://www.swytchbike.com/)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on March 25, 2021, 09:56:57 AM
So, with that is mind, has anyone tried the swytch kit? I just saw an advertisement for it on youtube and it kept me from clicking "skip ad" as fast as I normally do.
https://www.swytchbike.com/ (https://www.swytchbike.com/)
No experience with eBikes yet, but I've thought about retrofitting a bike with something like that. Converting DW's bike to an eBike would make riding together more enjoyable - her maximum sustainable speed is pretty close to my minimum comfortable speed.

Their website is missing some key information: pricing, rim size, rated battery capacity. I don't like that the control interface is located on the battery pack, You have to add the 3 pound battery pack to your handlebars, many other systems allow you to mount the battery inside your front triangle or on a rack which should provide better handling. Unless this is much cheaper than similar systems, I'd probably try something else.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 11, 2021, 10:46:00 AM
5/5 bike to work days this last week. The biking is pleasant, but the sunshine during the commute in both directions is even more worthwhile.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 12, 2021, 09:39:40 AM
I haven't been cycling to work lately . . . bc work from home.

But, I imagine things will be going back to some sort of normal office schedule this summer or fall. There are a couple of challenging hills on my commute that are probably going to give me a heart attack someday.

So, with that is mind, has anyone tried the swytch kit? I just saw an advertisement for it on youtube and it kept me from clicking "skip ad" as fast as I normally do.
https://www.swytchbike.com/ (https://www.swytchbike.com/)

I haven't tried this particular ebike kit, but I have test ridden a couple of direct drive ebikes. If I ever end up having to commute to the office again I'm seriously considering switching to an ebike. I didn't realize how much of the pain I used to have was being caused by all the biking I used to do. Six months into WFH and my hip pain was totally gone.

Anyway, this company doesn't actually seem to have any stock, so you can't buy from them anyway. They're also located in the UK so if you're not in the UK, expect shipping to add to the cost. However, that may be a moot point anyway because I couldn't find any prices on the site, so we can't tell if it's a good deal or a rip off.

My advice would be to go to a local ebike dealer and see if you can test ride one of their bikes. Figure out if you even want an ebike. If so, then shop around for whatever bike or conversion kit is a good deal for you.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: triple7stash on April 20, 2021, 07:56:55 PM
It’s been awhile since posting in this forum, but have been lurking. Took a new job during quarantine and will need to dress is business attire and we’re slowly starting to trickle back into the office. Don’t want to haul my panniers full of rolled up work clothes daily. My bike commute is only 1.8 miles flat, so sweating isn’t an issue. Any recommendations on comfy slacks/shirts/outfits to bike in?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: BikeFanatic on April 21, 2021, 03:56:24 AM
Less than 2 miles is easy. I would either roll up my pant legs so as not to get grease on my pants, and just ride in in work clothing. I used to leave clothing at work hung up so I could just bike in my bike clothing. I have heard you can easily ride in a dress with a step thru frame.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 21, 2021, 09:11:02 AM
Ditto the advice to just bike in whatever you'll be wearing at work that day. Ride slow ish so you don't get sweaty and you'll be fine.

For the clothes themselves try to pick slacks that have a bit of stretch. This is very common in women's pants but I think men's pants are starting to be made with some stretch too. It makes them so much more comfortable.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 25, 2021, 07:52:44 PM
I leave pants at work for a week and only bring a new shirt daily. I do get to wear jeans at work though. Most people here don't shower at work after biking, then? I don't but have gotten some weird looks about it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 26, 2021, 06:10:50 AM
For very short distances you can certainly get away without showering.  My commute is 11 miles each way, so I always end up needing to hit the showers afterwards.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: wallet on April 26, 2021, 07:57:38 AM
I leave pants at work for a week and only bring a new shirt daily. I do get to wear jeans at work though. Most people here don't shower at work after biking, then? I don't but have gotten some weird looks about it.

I have a brick of baby wipes from Costco that I use to clean up in the handicap stall of the washroom and then change into my work clothes.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Zamboni on April 26, 2021, 08:30:05 AM
Okay, folks, I'm getting serious about this whole bike commute thing. Serious enough to think about giving up my parking pass for work . . . and it will be hard to get that permit back in the current location.

I'm not going to pull the trigger on giving up the parking spot quite yet. I feel like I should give it a year and see how I do in the winter first.

We don't have harsh winters, but cycling in heavy rain just seems like it would be a drag, and part of the commute is on an off road trail with steep hills that get muddy. I remember riding my bike to school in 3rd grade just holding an umbrella and it was fun, though. You all inspire me that I can do it even sans umbrella (cause I won't be able to get up the biggest hills holding an umbrella.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: turketron on April 26, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
Okay, folks, I'm getting serious about this whole bike commute thing. Serious enough to think about giving up my parking pass for work . . . and it will be hard to get that permit back in the current location.

I'm not going to pull the trigger on giving up the parking spot quite yet. I feel like I should give it a year and see how I do in the winter first.

We don't have harsh winters, but cycling in heavy rain just seems like it would be a drag, and part of the commute is on an off road trail with steep hills that get muddy. I remember riding my bike to school in 3rd grade just holding an umbrella and it was fun, though. You all inspire me that I can do it even sans umbrella (cause I won't be able to get up the biggest hills holding an umbrella.)

Heavy rain is one thing, but would you want to ride in a thunderstorm? I think it's good to at least plan for another option available (even if it's more expensive or less convenient) that you would just use as rarely as possible, or even if you never use it, it's smart to have a backup option identified. If you gave up your parking pass could you still drive and just pay a higher day rate to park, or is there a public transit route? Even if you had to uber in a few days per year you'd probably still come out ahead in the long run, vs. paying for a monthly parking pass.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 26, 2021, 08:48:00 AM
Okay, folks, I'm getting serious about this whole bike commute thing. Serious enough to think about giving up my parking pass for work . . . and it will be hard to get that permit back in the current location.

I'm not going to pull the trigger on giving up the parking spot quite yet. I feel like I should give it a year and see how I do in the winter first.

We don't have harsh winters, but cycling in heavy rain just seems like it would be a drag, and part of the commute is on an off road trail with steep hills that get muddy. I remember riding my bike to school in 3rd grade just holding an umbrella and it was fun, though. You all inspire me that I can do it even sans umbrella (cause I won't be able to get up the biggest hills holding an umbrella.)

Put fenders on your bike, and rain becomes a mild nuisance rather than a giant PITA.  The fenders keep mud and grime off your face, butt, and most importantly your drivetrain.  Once you're not eating dirt all the time in the rain, all you've got to do is keep yourself warm enough (usually just a matter of figuring out the right layers to wear).

I've ridden in many heavy storms/thunderstorms.  Lighting isn't anything to be seriously concerned about, but be aware of reduced traction and increased braking distances.  You also want to keep an eye on winds - anything over 50 km/h steady, or 70 km/h gusts and it becomes more challenging to ride.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 26, 2021, 10:07:49 AM
Put fenders on your bike, and rain becomes a mild nuisance rather than a giant PITA.  The fenders keep mud and grime off your face, butt, and most importantly your drivetrain.  Once you're not eating dirt all the time in the rain, all you've got to do is keep yourself warm enough (usually just a matter of figuring out the right layers to wear).

I've ridden in many heavy storms/thunderstorms.  Lighting isn't anything to be seriously concerned about, but be aware of reduced traction and increased braking distances.  You also want to keep an eye on winds - anything over 50 km/h steady, or 70 km/h gusts and it becomes more challenging to ride.
If your bike has rim brakes, the wet can have significant impact on brake traction - disk brakes should be less affected. Of course road traction reduction is experienced by all vehicles in the rain; so traffic patterns that might not be overly worrisome in dry weather may also need to be considered.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Runrunrun on April 26, 2021, 10:45:21 AM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: windytrail on April 26, 2021, 10:50:30 AM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Can you post a Google street view for us to analyze?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: bloodaxe on April 26, 2021, 10:50:48 AM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Some alternative things I've done for challenging routes:

* Bike through parking lots of businesses
* Cut through grass fields/parks
* Bike briefly on nearby trails

Not sure if any of these applies for your situation. If you are comfortable, you can share a google map link of the route. Just change the start and end to nearby places.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 26, 2021, 11:05:05 AM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.
Freeways can be a big problem. I once lived near a freeway I had to cross by bike daily where the shortest route was a busy road like you describe. That road did have sidewalks though. Best time to cross was during rush hour because traffic was bad enough that cars were generally going slower than bikes at that time.

How would a pedestrian get across the freeway? If there are no pedestrian routes that you can use, the next best option would be to take control of a lane traveling as you would in a (very slow moving) car. You will probably get many drivers honking or yelling at you because obviously roads are for cars and delaying them a few seconds is a gross injustice.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Runrunrun on April 26, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Can you post a Google street view for us to analyze?


Here is a google map link showing the direction I'm trying to go, if it doesn't work let me know. I'll probably just delete in a couple days.



I'm definitely willing to adjust the route but want to keep it under 10 miles.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: bloodaxe on April 26, 2021, 12:10:47 PM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Can you post a Google street view for us to analyze?


Here is a google map link showing the direction I'm trying to go, if it doesn't work let me know. I'll probably just delete in a couple days.

https://goo.gl/maps/YJaYqCfbsmQ4YYve7

I'm definitely willing to adjust the route but want to keep it under 10 miles.

Yea that looks tough.

I would go down S Plaza Trail. Looks a lot more comfortable. Here is what I mean:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Yard+House/Taylor+Farms,+2599+Dam+Neck+Rd,+Virginia+Beach,+VA+23453/@36.839355,-76.1009099,1379m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m29!4m28!1m20!1m1!1s0x89ba959f10624ac1:0xdc2876cb7652bc7e!2m2!1d-76.1363368!2d36.8415917!3m4!1m2!1d-76.1273709!2d36.8359131!3s0x89ba9576bf94f4d3:0xcd16c4783b70ea25!3m4!1m2!1d-76.0976434!2d36.8393435!3s0x89ba953807dd3651:0x706a180f389b13cf!3m4!1m2!1d-76.0900819!2d36.8383966!3s0x89ba9535f36d22eb:0x714f8a98a52f4dff!1m5!1m1!1s0x89bac079c78a2ab3:0xd8a5ab5a8f880c2a!2m2!1d-76.0586587!2d36.7834104!3e1

You could also take the bus just to get past the difficult parts of the route. Then bike the rest of the way:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Yard+House,+4549+Commerce+St,+Virginia+Beach,+VA+23462/Independence+%26+Edwin,+Virginia+Beach,+VA+23452/@36.8344505,-76.1436673,2758m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba959f10624ac1:0xdc2876cb7652bc7e!2m2!1d-76.1363368!2d36.8415917!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba957f564a1ec5:0x8b21042176564e96!2m2!1d-76.131929!2d36.827087!3e3

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 26, 2021, 12:12:35 PM
Paging the bike commuting experts: What would you do in this situation?

One particular intersection is holding me up to start bike commuting, going to try to explain it to the best of my ability.

So the freeway is basically going perpendicular (E/W) to the roads I need to take south to work. The problem is, every road that goes under the big main freeway where the on and off ramps are, has no crosswalks, bike lane, or any sort of shoulder and I'm not sure how you bike through these. I have looked at multiple routes that go under the freeway further E & W and each road has the same problem. (No crosswalks or walking paths, its crazy!)

I feel really wary of biking past the on big on ramps, and the speed limits are all 45MPH and up. The only roads that go under the freeway are big 4 lane boulevard type roads, with this no crosswalk/shoulder deal at the on ramps. The sidewalks and crosswalks just stop and don't resume again til about a third of a mile

Hopefully this paints a picture? And if so...... What do you do?? Just go through it? Every now and then I'll see a pedestrian trying to navigate through this and it looks terrifying.

Hoping I can get some tips. I found some good paths for the rest of the drive once I can figure this piece out.

Can you post a Google street view for us to analyze?


Here is a google map link showing the direction I'm trying to go, if it doesn't work let me know. I'll probably just delete in a couple days.

https://goo.gl/maps/YJaYqCfbsmQ4YYve7

I'm definitely willing to adjust the route but want to keep it under 10 miles.

It looks like there's a decent cycling crossing under the expressway using the S. Plaza Trail route:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Yard+House/Taylor+Farms,+2599+Dam+Neck+Rd,+Virginia+Beach,+VA+23453/@36.8316459,-76.1043134,15z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba959f10624ac1:0xdc2876cb7652bc7e!2m2!1d-76.1363368!2d36.8415917!1m5!1m1!1s0x89bac079c78a2ab3:0xd8a5ab5a8f880c2a!2m2!1d-76.0586587!2d36.7834104!3e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Yard+House/Taylor+Farms,+2599+Dam+Neck+Rd,+Virginia+Beach,+VA+23453/@36.8316459,-76.1043134,15z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba959f10624ac1:0xdc2876cb7652bc7e!2m2!1d-76.1363368!2d36.8415917!1m5!1m1!1s0x89bac079c78a2ab3:0xd8a5ab5a8f880c2a!2m2!1d-76.0586587!2d36.7834104!3e1)

It's got a segregated bike lane and everything!  The route that you first sent looks like it would be suicide during rush hour.  Too many lanes, and too many distracted drivers trying to merge on/off.  Technically it would be possible to ride (you would have to be lit up pretty good and be taking the whole lane - which is going to piss off drivers) . . . I'd really want to try to avoid it though.

EDIT - whoop, bloodaxe beat me to it.  Definitely the better route to take!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: robartsd on April 26, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Here is a google map link showing the direction I'm trying to go, if it doesn't work let me know. I'll probably just delete in a couple days.

https://goo.gl/maps/YJaYqCfbsmQ4YYve7

I'm definitely willing to adjust the route but want to keep it under 10 miles.
Simply asking Google Maps for biking directions suggest going 2.5 miles east to cross the freeway on Plaza Trail avoiding interaction with freeway ramps (even has a bike lane for the actual freeway crossing). This makes the trip about 8.5 miles.

Looks like you'd have the choice of taking a lane or riding a sidewalk along Virginia Beach Blvd for that 2.5 miles east, then head south on mostly residential roads. You might also use Bonney Rd for this E/W travel depending on traffic patterns. An old rail line just south of Central Park looks like a good candidate for a rails to trails type project for E/W access aligned with Southern Blvd; but that's not an option at present.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Runrunrun on April 26, 2021, 12:34:24 PM
Here is a google map link showing the direction I'm trying to go, if it doesn't work let me know. I'll probably just delete in a couple days.

https://goo.gl/maps/YJaYqCfbsmQ4YYve7

I'm definitely willing to adjust the route but want to keep it under 10 miles.
Simply asking Google Maps for biking directions suggest going 2.5 miles east to cross the freeway on Plaza Trail avoiding interaction with freeway ramps (even has a bike lane for the actual freeway crossing). This makes the trip about 8.5 miles.

Looks like you'd have the choice of taking a lane or riding a sidewalk along Virginia Beach Blvd for that 2.5 miles east, then head south on mostly residential roads. You might also use Bonney Rd for this E/W travel depending on traffic patterns. An old rail line just south of Central Park looks like a good candidate for a rails to trails type project for E/W access aligned with Southern Blvd; but that's not an option at present.

Oh Wow yea I totally overlooked the plaza trail somehow - thanks everybody! The extra sets of eyes has solved it!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Weisass on April 27, 2021, 05:01:12 AM
Hey all! Looking forward to my commute this week.... last week I put 50 miles on my new tern hsd (bought at a discount, because it was the demo at the shop). Such a smooth, pleasing ride, and I can’t wait to add more.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 30, 2021, 10:05:05 AM
I took my bike to the LBS while I was on a trip so I wouldn't be without it for too long. It just hadn't been seen by a professional in a while and the brakes were not braking as hard as they should. I mean, I'm a slow rider, but it was starting to feel not so safe.

I really appreciate that they put it up on the stand, gave it a quick once-over, and told me that it really only needed the brakes adjusted. They didn't try to sell me anything else and they tightened my fenders and rack and no extra charge, so all that is pretty nice!

I continue to fantasize about getting an ebike. I am soooo slow. It takes me every bit of 20 minutes to get to work, and it's less than 4 miles, and every day going up the hill I think I am going to die. I would love to put a few extra minutes back in my day. I'm really short, though--I have a "petite" frame that I think is 16 inches? Is that a tiny frame? It is the tiniest size I could find for an adult-size bike, and before that I had a 24 inch kid's bike. And I dread the process of finding one that would fit.

Might be a good investment, though, especially if we stay a one-car family.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
I continue to fantasize about getting an ebike. I am soooo slow. It takes me every bit of 20 minutes to get to work, and it's less than 4 miles, and every day going up the hill I think I am going to die. I would love to put a few extra minutes back in my day. I'm really short, though--I have a "petite" frame that I think is 16 inches? Is that a tiny frame? It is the tiniest size I could find for an adult-size bike, and before that I had a 24 inch kid's bike. And I dread the process of finding one that would fit.

Where did you buy the bike from?  If it was from a big box store, you may have acquired a bicycle shaped object rather than a bicycle.  These BSOs are often extremely heavy and outfitted with poor quality components and knobby tires - all of this will work together to slow you down.  FWIW, my wife is a small woman (5'3") and she was comfortable with a Giant Escape in xs size.

If you do have a real bike, it's possible that you've got the saddle adjusted too low.  Try getting someone to hold the bike upright (or lean against a wall or something while you do this) and sticking your heels on the pedals.  Then pedal backwards.  If your saddle is properly adjusted your heels should just barely be contacting the pedals when they're furthest from your body.  If you can easily do the heel/backpedal thing, then your saddle is too low and you'll need to work much harder than normal to get anywhere.  Most people adjust bike saddles too low by default because a properly adjusted saddle usually forces a rider to dismount when stopping (you definitely can't stay seated and put both feet flat on the ground on both sides).


There are other things that could be causing your troubles, but the two above are the most common things to check first.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: erutio on April 30, 2021, 12:44:13 PM
Also, 4 miles in 20 minutes doesn't seem exceptionally slow.   That's about 12mph.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 30, 2021, 01:05:12 PM
Also, 4 miles in 20 minutes doesn't seem exceptionally slow.   That's about 12mph.

Ha, I just looked it up and it's actually only 3. And I know I'm slow because I always, and I mean ALWAYS, get passed. I never pass anyone, literally ever.

I continue to fantasize about getting an ebike. I am soooo slow. It takes me every bit of 20 minutes to get to work, and it's less than 4 miles, and every day going up the hill I think I am going to die. I would love to put a few extra minutes back in my day. I'm really short, though--I have a "petite" frame that I think is 16 inches? Is that a tiny frame? It is the tiniest size I could find for an adult-size bike, and before that I had a 24 inch kid's bike. And I dread the process of finding one that would fit.

Where did you buy the bike from?  If it was from a big box store, you may have acquired a bicycle shaped object rather than a bicycle.  These BSOs are often extremely heavy and outfitted with poor quality components and knobby tires - all of this will work together to slow you down.  FWIW, my wife is a small woman (5'3") and she was comfortable with a Giant Escape in xs size.

If you do have a real bike, it's possible that you've got the saddle adjusted too low.  Try getting someone to hold the bike upright (or lean against a wall or something while you do this) and sticking your heels on the pedals.  Then pedal backwards.  If your saddle is properly adjusted your heels should just barely be contacting the pedals when they're furthest from your body.  If you can easily do the heel/backpedal thing, then your saddle is too low and you'll need to work much harder than normal to get anywhere.  Most people adjust bike saddles too low by default because a properly adjusted saddle usually forces a rider to dismount when stopping (you definitely can't stay seated and put both feet flat on the ground on both sides).


There are other things that could be causing your troubles, but the two above are the most common things to check first.

It's a Cannondale Quick from a bike shop in Georgetown--you can't get the really small frames at big box stores!

I don't think the saddle is too low--I definitely have to get off the saddle if I am stopping, unless I'm by a curb. Maybe I could go up a smidge. I did move it up several years ago when I heard that most people have it too low :-).

Open to more suggestions but I think I'm just out of shape and naturally slow!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2021, 01:12:04 PM
Open to more suggestions but I think I'm just out of shape and naturally slow!


Barbell squats?


:P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 30, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Open to more suggestions but I think I'm just out of shape and naturally slow!


Barbell squats?


:P

Before the gyms closed I used to could do like 150? Maybe more when I had been practicing awhile. Deadlift close to 170. I was also like 25 pounds lighter, so less to haul up that hill. It didn't seem to make a ton of difference. Until my gym opens back up I can only do 60 lbs because I don't have a rack and that's all I can lift over my head :-).
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on April 30, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
If you've done a lot of weightlifting in the past you may have a tendency to pedal using a too high gear. This means your cadence will be low and it feels very difficult. When riding it's more efficient to pedal using an easier gear at a higher cadence. Especially going uphill. Think "Spin to win" as you're riding. You'll initially feel more out of breath, but your endurance will improve without needing to be fitter.

Otherwise, check the basics like making sure your brakes aren't rubbing (I know you've already done this), gears aren't grinding and that your tires are properly inflated.

One thing that sucks for shorter riders is that the bike (or at least all the components) weigh the same regardless of the fact you may be lighter and weaker than someone who's 6ft tall. This is why some kids often struggle to even push their bikes around. The frames are made from cheap, heavy steel and the components weigh just as much as an adult bike. If you're hauling stuff, pack as light as possible.

If you want to work on fitness for riding faster, try incorporating some dynamic exercises. Think squat jumps or explosive step ups to build power. Just be very careful not to hurt yourself since it's easy to do with these kinds of exercises.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 30, 2021, 02:28:42 PM
My lowest gear is not low enough for that big hill. It is good for smaller hills. They checked the gears at the bike shop and I do inflate my tires.

I already do squat jumps, sometimes with weights!

All this troubleshooting, I keep circling back to I must just be naturally slow. But I am still open to ideas...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on April 30, 2021, 03:21:06 PM
It sounds like you should have the horsepower to go quickly on the bike, your bike isn't a BSO, and you're roughly seated correctly.  The list of things it can be caused by is rapidly shortening.  Any chance there's a mechanical issue?
 Maybe one of your brakes is rubbing?  Try lifting the bike and make sure that both the front and rear wheel spin freely.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 30, 2021, 03:51:03 PM
It sounds like you should have the horsepower to go quickly on the bike, your bike isn't a BSO, and you're roughly seated correctly.  The list of things it can be caused by is rapidly shortening.  Any chance there's a mechanical issue?
 Maybe one of your brakes is rubbing?  Try lifting the bike and make sure that both the front and rear wheel spin freely.

I just got it back from the shop, where I had them professionally adjusted :-). They gave it a quick once-over and said that was the only problem. Actually the brakes were much too loose and I had to squeeze super hard to stop!

Maybe it's psychological and I just need to will myself to go faster!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: TrMama on May 01, 2021, 09:45:14 AM
Maybe you're riding in an area with a bunch of super athletes? My town is the home of many of the national triathlon and cycling training teams. Plus, there are a ton of amateur athletes. Many of them are decades younger than I am. I'm not put out at all when people like this pass me.

It's totally OK to be slow. You're dong better than many, many people just to be out there. Also, I always feel like I'm going to die for the first 10 min of every workout. I suck at warming up slowly and I have exercise induced asthma, so it takes that long for my body to remind my brain to slow down.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on May 01, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
Maybe you're riding in an area with a bunch of super athletes? My town is the home of many of the national triathlon and cycling training teams. Plus, there are a ton of amateur athletes. Many of them are decades younger than I am. I'm not put out at all when people like this pass me.

It's totally OK to be slow. You're dong better than many, many people just to be out there. Also, I always feel like I'm going to die for the first 10 min of every workout. I suck at warming up slowly and I have exercise induced asthma, so it takes that long for my body to remind my brain to slow down.

LOL, this is totally fair. I live in Denver. People do pass me in street clothes on regular bikes, but we are a pretty fit city and I don't know what they do on the weekends!

My only other ideas are that I am really cautious, so I am slowing down and speeding back up a LOT (and do not pick up much speed down hills) and my aerodynamics are terrible because I invariably have fully laden Wald baskets overflowing with random canvas totes bags, often full of library books.

I would not have biked today except my husband needed the car. It was very awkward, actually--I burned my arm pretty good on the steam from my tea kettle and would have liked to just drive to work and stop at Walgreens for aloe on the way. But since he needed the car, I had to drive to Walgreens, come back, and bike to work! At least it was a nice day for it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on October 22, 2021, 09:51:08 PM
How often should I replace my chain?

(I got a warning about this being an old thread but dangit it's my thread and I can revive it if I want to.)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on October 23, 2021, 04:05:53 AM
How often should I replace my chain?

(I got a warning about this being an old thread but dangit it's my thread and I can revive it if I want to.)

If there's any damage- bent or stuck links, that's a good sign, but usually wear is what forces a chain replacement.

Easiest way to measure wear is with a chain checking tool, but you can also use a ruler: https://www.bikeradar.com/features/how-to-know-when-its-time-to-replace-your-bicycle-chain/

You may not notice anything wrong at all with a chain that no longer meets spec, but it's good to replace it before it starts causing weird wear issues on more expensive parts like cassettes and chain rings.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on October 24, 2021, 01:35:15 PM
Just crack out your measuring tape.  A new chain is (or should be) exactly 12 inches across 12 links.  When you measure 12 links being more than 1/8th of an inch it's time to replace your chain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GreenToTheCore on October 26, 2021, 05:59:48 PM
Agree that chain stretch is simple enough to check with a ruler, but gosh darn my $10 tool is the handiest thing:
https://www.rei.com/product/830220/park-tool-chain-wear-indicator?sku=8302200001&store=155&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_8302200001%7C92700057782267442%7CNB%7C71700000074090541&gclid=CjwKCAjwzt6LBhBeEiwAbPGOgagMok3LnNc5cnyILJOi8i6vabeJ8nWNee7suIuxFtsp_X7HigvFXRoC1TMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ca-rn on November 30, 2021, 03:48:43 PM
My lowest gear is not low enough for that big hill. It is good for smaller hills. They checked the gears at the bike shop and I do inflate my tires.

I already do squat jumps, sometimes with weights!

All this troubleshooting, I keep circling back to I must just be naturally slow. But I am still open to ideas...

Can you get your gears changed (add lower gears) to be able to go up the big hill?  I have 2 bikes- one for commuting that can only go up little hills (made more for flat riding) and another that has lower gears- I go slow but can spin (granny) it up high hills (for me).

I'm short and slow too. 

Don't spend your time worrying about who is passing you, just focus on enjoying the sites, being outside cycling, try to keep your upper body relaxed (don't clench handlebars) to keep taking in those deep breaths to keep pedaling and sometimes standing up to pedal is good too. 

Also, are you comfortable shifting gears?  Maybe your riding in too high of a gear?

Or consider reducing your crank length?  My lower geared bike also has 150mm cranks too- supposed to make it easier to go up hills and easier on short legs  (making a smaller circle).  My commuter is 170mm and each time I switch, I can tell the difference and takes a few seconds to adjust. 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on November 30, 2021, 04:49:59 PM
My lowest gear is not low enough for that big hill. It is good for smaller hills. They checked the gears at the bike shop and I do inflate my tires.

I already do squat jumps, sometimes with weights!

All this troubleshooting, I keep circling back to I must just be naturally slow. But I am still open to ideas...

Can you get your gears changed (add lower gears) to be able to go up the big hill?  I have 2 bikes- one for commuting that can only go up little hills (made more for flat riding) and another that has lower gears- I go slow but can spin (granny) it up high hills (for me).

I'm short and slow too. 

Don't spend your time worrying about who is passing you, just focus on enjoying the sites, being outside cycling, try to keep your upper body relaxed (don't clench handlebars) to keep taking in those deep breaths to keep pedaling and sometimes standing up to pedal is good too. 

Also, are you comfortable shifting gears?  Maybe your riding in too high of a gear?

Or consider reducing your crank length?  My lower geared bike also has 150mm cranks too- supposed to make it easier to go up hills and easier on short legs  (making a smaller circle).  My commuter is 170mm and each time I switch, I can tell the difference and takes a few seconds to adjust.

Oooh, that's an intersesting idea. Don't know if it would be worth doing on an 11-year-old bike with rim brakes, but maybe I'll ask my LBS what it would cost! If I had to sacrifice higher gears, that would be no sacrifice at all- I usually ride my brakes down hills, not try to pick up speed.

A sprightly young yoga teacher told me at the library that she had decided not to bike because she didn't want to go up that big hill, which made me feel a little better. (We'll ignore that she said her bike is super heavy as my extra pounds probably at least balance out the weight of the bike.)

I appreciate the encouragement! I am still plugging along and haven't broken down and bought an ebike yet.

Funniest encouragement I've received this year: A gentleman sitting on his front porch called out, "Put your back into it, mama! You're almost there!" As I can be self-conscious about my weight gain (which is definitely not helping), I appreciated the suggestion that, if anything, I did not have ENOUGH ass to haul myself up that hill, LOL. I don't generally like to be shouted at but that gave me a giggle.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on November 30, 2021, 05:10:03 PM
Another option to consider- ain't no shame in pushing the bike uphill.  I recently acquired a bike dedicated to winter commuting which due to it's belt drive and internally geared hub has gearing much higher than any of my other bikes. There are a couple of hills on my commute that the winter commuter cannot climb with me pedaling. However, when I pushed the bike uphill on foot, I found I was faster doing that than pedaling any of my geared bikes up those same hills.  (I track my commutes in strava and have the data to back this up).

It's something I learned before in mountain bike racing- sometimes it's just faster to get off the bike and run it.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on December 11, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
Another option to consider- ain't no shame in pushing the bike uphill.  I recently acquired a bike dedicated to winter commuting which due to it's belt drive and internally geared hub has gearing much higher than any of my other bikes. There are a couple of hills on my commute that the winter commuter cannot climb with me pedaling. However, when I pushed the bike uphill on foot, I found I was faster doing that than pedaling any of my geared bikes up those same hills.  (I track my commutes in strava and have the data to back this up).

It's something I learned before in mountain bike racing- sometimes it's just faster to get off the bike and run it.

@Askel, I tried this and it's a game-changer! It feels a lot safer to be out of the traffic on the sidewalk and I don't think it takes much, if any, extra time. Thanks for the suggestion!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mspym on December 11, 2021, 12:46:07 PM
I had got out of the biking habit when I was between contracts and then was rather enjoying the empty bus commutes once I began going into the office again but this past week has been utterly maddening, with entire series of buses just not showing up. So I rode on Friday and it's so much nicer! Even with the unconnected bike path sections with inevitable roadworks in between the sections, it was still better being on my bike than waiting futilely for a bus that never shows up.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on December 11, 2021, 04:14:02 PM

@Askel, I tried this and it's a game-changer! It feels a lot safer to be out of the traffic on the sidewalk and I don't think it takes much, if any, extra time. Thanks for the suggestion!

Cool! Glad it worked.  Recently took the League of American Bicyclists "Smart Cycling" course. Instructor had a great line he used- "The great thing about being a cyclist is that you can become a pedestrian at any time."  Super handy for when things get sketchy (or steep). 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 21, 2022, 03:54:07 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

I currently ride a 2016 Trek FX 7.0: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9 (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9).

It's gotten finicky about shifting and probably needs new brake pads, if not additional tune-up on the brakes. It's functional but has become annoying to ride. From various sources of unexpected/gift money, I have about $650 to put toward a bike.

Considerations:

I have my eye on a couple on craigslist and I'd love some third-party thoughts about my several options.

This thread has been such a help in learning more about biking! Thanks for any thoughts!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Shane on March 21, 2022, 04:09:38 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

I currently ride a 2016 Trek FX 7.0: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9 (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9).

It's gotten finicky about shifting and probably needs new brake pads, if not additional tune-up on the brakes. It's functional but has become annoying to ride. From various sources of unexpected/gift money, I have about $650 to put toward a bike.

Considerations:
  • I am moving to Colorado this summer and will therefore be learning to bike in Weather, which hasn't been invented in SoCal.
  • If I'm going to get something new, I'd like it to be a meaningful upgrade; springing for disc brakes seems like the best bet. I'm interested in their improved performance in wet conditions.
  • I daydreamed of something lighter than my current 28 pounds, but realistically: I like the hybrid style, they don't get much lighter than 25 pounds, and each pound off costs a lot more. I add several pounds with a commuter bag anyway. Still, our bike storage is on our upstairs balcony, so I do lug the thing up and down stairs.

I have my eye on a couple on craigslist and I'd love some third-party thoughts about my several options.
  • Invest in a good tune-up on the bike I have. I don't HAVE to spend all $650. Maybe get better at bike maintenance in the future.
  • Trek FX 2 Disc, $600: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html)
    This bike is ~2 pounds lighter than mine and has hydraulic disc brakes.
  • 2017 REI CTY 1.1, $275: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html)
    Comparable to my bike in most ways + mechanical disc brakes.

This thread has been such a help in learning more about biking! Thanks for any thoughts!
Since 2020, I've been riding a Trek FX-3 Disc that I like a lot. I put front and rear racks and a handle bar bag on it. So, it can carry up to 4 panniers, which I only usually need when I ride 10 miles to Wegman's and want to get a bunch of groceries and beer. Otherwise, I usually only use one or two of the rear panniers.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on March 21, 2022, 06:50:00 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

I currently ride a 2016 Trek FX 7.0: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9 (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9).

It's gotten finicky about shifting and probably needs new brake pads, if not additional tune-up on the brakes. It's functional but has become annoying to ride. From various sources of unexpected/gift money, I have about $650 to put toward a bike.

Considerations:
  • I am moving to Colorado this summer and will therefore be learning to bike in Weather, which hasn't been invented in SoCal.
  • If I'm going to get something new, I'd like it to be a meaningful upgrade; springing for disc brakes seems like the best bet. I'm interested in their improved performance in wet conditions.
  • I daydreamed of something lighter than my current 28 pounds, but realistically: I like the hybrid style, they don't get much lighter than 25 pounds, and each pound off costs a lot more. I add several pounds with a commuter bag anyway. Still, our bike storage is on our upstairs balcony, so I do lug the thing up and down stairs.

I have my eye on a couple on craigslist and I'd love some third-party thoughts about my several options.
  • Invest in a good tune-up on the bike I have. I don't HAVE to spend all $650. Maybe get better at bike maintenance in the future.
  • Trek FX 2 Disc, $600: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html)
    This bike is ~2 pounds lighter than mine and has hydraulic disc brakes.
  • 2017 REI CTY 1.1, $275: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html)
    Comparable to my bike in most ways + mechanical disc brakes.

This thread has been such a help in learning more about biking! Thanks for any thoughts!

NO!

All bikes require maintenance with use.  Adjusting indexing on shifters is something that should be done once or twice a year, and brake pads need to be replaced as they wear.  Occasionally you'll need to replace cables and a chain and cassette.  These are not difficult tasks to learn, but if you don't want to do this . . . take your bike down to your local bike shop and get everything fixed.

New brake pads - maybe 10 to 20$ and 10 minutes time
Indexing shifters - maybe 5 minutes time
Replacing cassette - 40 to 60$ and 20-30 minutes of time
Replacing chain - 20 to 40$ and about 5 minutes

If the bike fits you and you like it, then do basic maintenance . . . and you should be able to ride it for a couple decades at least.



Disc brakes definitely brake better in wet conditions, but regular allow rim brakes that are properly adjusted are perfectly safe in rain too.  I've ridden thousands of miles in the wet (including snow, slush, hail, etc.) and never owned a disc brake bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on March 21, 2022, 07:03:47 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

So if you're going to ride in weather- snow, ice, salt, grit, whatever else the county does to improve traction, best learn right now how to work on brakes and adjust your shifting. Those conditions are super hard on a bike, but a little preventative care and some adjustment on your part can help keep you going through bad conditions and avoid the "replace all the things" approach shop mechanics sometimes do. 

Honestly, I won't discourage anybody who winter commutes from owning two bikes- it's super handy to have a backup rig when the primary needs some cleaning and maintenance. And disc brakes make a huge difference in bad conditions.

I'd spend some time fiddling with your current bike if you are so inclined. The Park Tool website is amazingly helpful- https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help 

Generally, as long as you are careful not to strip out any fasteners, it's pretty hard to make a bike worse by trying to fix it yourself before enlisting a mechanic.   

Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Shane on March 21, 2022, 08:27:55 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

I currently ride a 2016 Trek FX 7.0: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9 (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9).

It's gotten finicky about shifting and probably needs new brake pads, if not additional tune-up on the brakes. It's functional but has become annoying to ride. From various sources of unexpected/gift money, I have about $650 to put toward a bike.

Considerations:
  • I am moving to Colorado this summer and will therefore be learning to bike in Weather, which hasn't been invented in SoCal.
  • If I'm going to get something new, I'd like it to be a meaningful upgrade; springing for disc brakes seems like the best bet. I'm interested in their improved performance in wet conditions.
  • I daydreamed of something lighter than my current 28 pounds, but realistically: I like the hybrid style, they don't get much lighter than 25 pounds, and each pound off costs a lot more. I add several pounds with a commuter bag anyway. Still, our bike storage is on our upstairs balcony, so I do lug the thing up and down stairs.

I have my eye on a couple on craigslist and I'd love some third-party thoughts about my several options.
  • Invest in a good tune-up on the bike I have. I don't HAVE to spend all $650. Maybe get better at bike maintenance in the future.
  • Trek FX 2 Disc, $600: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html)
    This bike is ~2 pounds lighter than mine and has hydraulic disc brakes.
  • 2017 REI CTY 1.1, $275: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html)
    Comparable to my bike in most ways + mechanical disc brakes.

This thread has been such a help in learning more about biking! Thanks for any thoughts!

NO!

All bikes require maintenance with use.  Adjusting indexing on shifters is something that should be done once or twice a year, and brake pads need to be replaced as they wear.  Occasionally you'll need to replace cables and a chain and cassette.  These are not difficult tasks to learn, but if you don't want to do this . . . take your bike down to your local bike shop and get everything fixed.

New brake pads - maybe 10 to 20$ and 10 minutes time
Indexing shifters - maybe 5 minutes time
Replacing cassette - 40 to 60$ and 20-30 minutes of time
Replacing chain - 20 to 40$ and about 5 minutes

If the bike fits you and you like it, then do basic maintenance . . . and you should be able to ride it for a couple decades at least.



Disc brakes definitely brake better in wet conditions, but regular allow rim brakes that are properly adjusted are perfectly safe in rain too.  I've ridden thousands of miles in the wet (including snow, slush, hail, etc.) and never owned a disc brake bike.
Steve's right. If you like your current bike and it fits you, you're better off just asking your local bike shop to adjust the brakes, shifters, etc. It won't cost anywhere near $600.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Arbitrage on March 22, 2022, 07:41:29 AM
Agreed that you shouldn't be looking for a new bike - you've got a great one already.  Basic maintenance would be wonderful to learn, but as noted you could also pay for a tune-up if you're not feeling like flexing those mustachian muscles just yet.  At least you should be trying out your current bike in your new location before deciding it's not going to work there. 

While Colorado does have more weather than SoCal, it's definitely not particularly wet if you live in the front range where almost everyone does (though obviously there is that white stuff to deal with).  Are you going to bike in snow?  If I remember correctly - I may be confusing you with another poster - you avoided biking in SoCal rain.  If you're not realistically going to do this, why make a purchase based upon it?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Fru-Gal on March 22, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
PTF
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on March 22, 2022, 01:23:25 PM
Seeking mustachian input... Should I upgrade my bike?

I currently ride a 2016 Trek FX 7.0: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9 (https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/hybrid-bikes/fitness-bikes/fx/7-0-fx/p/16211/?avad=220733_e2791cbf9).

It's gotten finicky about shifting and probably needs new brake pads, if not additional tune-up on the brakes. It's functional but has become annoying to ride. From various sources of unexpected/gift money, I have about $650 to put toward a bike.

Considerations:
  • I am moving to Colorado this summer and will therefore be learning to bike in Weather, which hasn't been invented in SoCal.
  • If I'm going to get something new, I'd like it to be a meaningful upgrade; springing for disc brakes seems like the best bet. I'm interested in their improved performance in wet conditions.
  • I daydreamed of something lighter than my current 28 pounds, but realistically: I like the hybrid style, they don't get much lighter than 25 pounds, and each pound off costs a lot more. I add several pounds with a commuter bag anyway. Still, our bike storage is on our upstairs balcony, so I do lug the thing up and down stairs.

I have my eye on a couple on craigslist and I'd love some third-party thoughts about my several options.
  • Invest in a good tune-up on the bike I have. I don't HAVE to spend all $650. Maybe get better at bike maintenance in the future.
  • Trek FX 2 Disc, $600: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-trek-fx-disc-dnister-matte/7454475192.html)
    This bike is ~2 pounds lighter than mine and has hydraulic disc brakes.
  • 2017 REI CTY 1.1, $275: https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/san-diego-rei-coop-cty-11-commuter-bike/7452605857.html)
    Comparable to my bike in most ways + mechanical disc brakes.

This thread has been such a help in learning more about biking! Thanks for any thoughts!

We have a LOT of sunshine in Colorado. I currently do not bike in icy conditions. I used to, years ago- I just added a studded tire to my hybrid bike for the winter season and it was fine. (I accidentally left the studded tire behind in a move, my car situation is improved, and I am older, less fit, and currently pregnant and my doctor said biking was fine but definitely no icy conditions :-). ) If you plan to become, like, a hard-core ice biker, then you probably need a second bike with fat tires for that purpose anyway, but a studded front tire is pretty effective.

So that's another vote for upgrading your current bike rather than replacing!
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on March 22, 2022, 09:44:23 PM
Brake pads are easy to replace, and a great toe to dip in the water and see how you feel about DIY bike maintenance. I advise wearing gloves, somehow you inevitably get grease all over your hands even if you're not working near the chain.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on March 23, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
I really want to learn bike maintenance in the future, but before I move to Colorado I need to finish my PhD thesis. No new hobbies or interests allowed for the next few months. :)
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Shane on March 23, 2022, 03:34:32 PM
@Tass , another option you might consider, if you think it might simplify your upcoming move to CO, is to get your current bike's brakes, shifters, and any other glaring problems tuned up at your local bike shop, sell it on FB Marketplace or CL or OfferUp or whatever, before you leave, save the cash, and use it to buy a similar used bike once you get settled at your new place in CO. That way, you'd have one less thing to worry about moving...
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on March 23, 2022, 03:56:08 PM
I really want to learn bike maintenance in the future, but before I move to Colorado I need to finish my PhD thesis. No new hobbies or interests allowed for the next few months. :)

Oof, know how that goes. But there's probably at least one 1st or 2nd year serious bike nerd who hasn't learned how to say no yet that'll do a tune up for the cost of parts and a sixxer of good beer. I know I would have then. :D 
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on March 25, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
I really want to learn bike maintenance in the future, but before I move to Colorado I need to finish my PhD thesis. No new hobbies or interests allowed for the next few months. :)

Oh, Tass, I feel you. Same boat. There are some points in life when it's acceptable to throw money at a problem- the home stretch of the PhD qualifies imo. It's temporary. Take it to a shop and they'll tune it up nicely, and you support the local bike shop industry to boot.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 28, 2022, 05:24:04 PM
This is a highly specific question and maybe a long shot for getting an answer, but I dunno where ELSE I would ask... I am 23 weeks pregnant and having a ton of round ligament pain while biking, especially on the way home when I'm tired. I would really like to be able to ride my bike to work at least a couple of days a week for another 5 weeks or so, then Little League season ends and things ease up. (We have only one car- right now there are days when I would have to take a Lyft home if I wasn't on my bike.) Wearing a Velcro/elastic support belt does not seem to help. Have any gestationally minded Mustachians experienced this and found something that helps?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on April 28, 2022, 08:33:43 PM
I believe @ysette9 was pretty committed to biking while pregnant? And maybe you could try the pregnancy/fertility group journal?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 28, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
Good memory. I indeed bike while pregnant, but I didn’t have found ligament pain, so I can’t offer a thing useful to you. I have an ebike which certainly made biking more feasible while pregnant. I could keep cranking up the assist level as I got bigger.

I hope you find a solution.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 28, 2022, 09:29:54 PM
I really want to learn bike maintenance in the future, but before I move to Colorado I need to finish my PhD thesis. No new hobbies or interests allowed for the next few months. :)

Oh, Tass, I feel you. Same boat. There are some points in life when it's acceptable to throw money at a problem- the home stretch of the PhD qualifies imo. It's temporary. Take it to a shop and they'll tune it up nicely, and you support the local bike shop industry to boot.
I have no excuses not to learn my own bike maintenance except I just don’t wanna. I never had a mustachian mêmbership card, so no need for me to turn it in at this blasphemy.

Many people love this kind of thing; I simply don’t. I don’t mind supporting my local bike shop. I’ll use my time to make my own bread or clean my windows or something else.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: La Bibliotecaria Feroz on April 29, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
Good memory. I indeed bike while pregnant, but I didn’t have found ligament pain, so I can’t offer a thing useful to you. I have an ebike which certainly made biking more feasible while pregnant. I could keep cranking up the assist level as I got bigger.

I hope you find a solution.

LOL, and you were an "elderly multigravida" like me! In the absence of an ebike I have just resorted to pushing my bike up the steepest hill and questioning all my life choices on the other hills.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: ysette9 on April 29, 2022, 08:25:31 PM
Good memory. I indeed bike while pregnant, but I didn’t have found ligament pain, so I can’t offer a thing useful to you. I have an ebike which certainly made biking more feasible while pregnant. I could keep cranking up the assist level as I got bigger.

I hope you find a solution.

LOL, and you were an "elderly multigravida" like me! In the absence of an ebike I have just resorted to pushing my bike up the steepest hill and questioning all my life choices on the other hills.
You are hilarious.

Yep, I was definitely elderly and I was a high risk pregnancy also for other reasons. I can sing the praises of ebikes all day long.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Just Joe on July 28, 2022, 03:27:53 PM
Just to throw this out there - many ebikes have a button that you can press that will cause the bike to pull itself up the hill at a walking pace. On our two bikes it minus button. Press and hold and it will roll along. Let go and it stops assisting. Also, the brake will interrupt the assist.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Dee_the_third on July 29, 2022, 12:53:27 PM
Oh Feroz, this is obviously no longer relevant (hopefully your round ligament pain will promptly resolve after birth), but for any future folks who find this thread - I biked until my center of gravity changed so much it felt dangerous, but the key was a wide saddle and biking 'out'. That is, instead of imagining your knees going up and down, imagine them going diagonally out and back. The wide saddle because your sit bones move apart as the relaxin kicks in, and the knees out because there's no space in your pelvis anymore for the old motions.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: glacio09 on August 18, 2022, 01:50:16 PM
I've been bike commuting for 6 weeks now and I'm on the second week of all four days biking in. It's about 8 miles one way and surprisingly protected for being in a southern US city. I have a 7 speed step through city bike that I love. I can't go fast, average about 10 mph but it's a very peaceful ride. The first three miles are through a chill quiet neighborhood, then a college campus, a city park, another quiet neighborhood street and then two miles of curbed off bike lanes.

Reading through this thread I have crazy respect for all y'all winter bikers. I'm dealing with 100+ degree summer rides but at least drinking water, wipes for the morning, and so many change of clothes takes care of most of the problems.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 18, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
I've been bike commuting for 6 weeks now and I'm on the second week of all four days biking in. It's about 8 miles one way and surprisingly protected for being in a southern US city. I have a 7 speed step through city bike that I love. I can't go fast, average about 10 mph but it's a very peaceful ride. The first three miles are through a chill quiet neighborhood, then a college campus, a city park, another quiet neighborhood street and then two miles of curbed off bike lanes.

Reading through this thread I have crazy respect for all y'all winter bikers. I'm dealing with 100+ degree summer rides but at least drinking water, wipes for the morning, and so many change of clothes takes care of most of the problems.

The thing that sucks the most about winter biking is all the damned gear.

Summer cycling - shorts, t-shirt, socks, shoes, backpack

Winter cycling - Multiple front lights and rear lights (make sure all the batteries are charged), reflective clothing, hi-viz clothing, baselayer, fleece, windshell, extra layer of clothes in case it's really really cold, windproof pants, long underwear, heavy gloves, face covering, hat, extra pair of socks, warm boots, backpack


Once you're dressed and moving it's fine . . . but the preparation is daunting.  :P
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on August 19, 2022, 06:22:11 AM
I actually need less gear to pedal in the cold than I do to drive. Pedaling keeps me warm.  And I don't need to spend 2 hours clearing snow to get my bike down the driveway.   

And I will absolutely take 0F over 100F ANYTIME.  I'm sure 100F and southern humidity would kill me.  The 80F we have right now is bad enough.   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 21, 2022, 01:53:08 PM
Last time I biked (about 15 miles), one of my ring fingers went numb, and didn't return to full feeling for a few days. I have an old wrist injury from typing that flares up occasionally, so I figured it was related to that.

This time (two weeks later), I wore my padded gloves, stayed off gravel paths, and tried to keep my wrists straighter and put less weight on my hands. It definitely helped, but I still had a little bit of numbness, this time in both ring fingers, although it subsided much more quickly. Has anyone else successfully addressed this problem?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Askel on August 21, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
I've had some issues with numbness but never bad enough to lose that much feeling for that long. Overall bike fit seems to play a big role. Some bikes I have I'm just more prone to it than others.  On the bike I have the worst problems with, Ergon brand grips have helped a lot.  I get the kind with the little bar end stubs to give me a couple of different hand positions to move around to at the first sign of numbness.  Remembering to ride with my core engaged and using my torso to support itself rather than my arms is also helpful   
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Malossi792 on August 24, 2022, 12:46:59 AM
Last time I biked (about 15 miles), one of my ring fingers went numb, and didn't return to full feeling for a few days. I have an old wrist injury from typing that flares up occasionally, so I figured it was related to that.

This time (two weeks later), I wore my padded gloves, stayed off gravel paths, and tried to keep my wrists straighter and put less weight on my hands. It definitely helped, but I still had a little bit of numbness, this time in both ring fingers, although it subsided much more quickly. Has anyone else successfully addressed this problem?
Google carpal tunnel syndrome maybe?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 24, 2022, 10:05:38 PM
Last time I biked (about 15 miles), one of my ring fingers went numb, and didn't return to full feeling for a few days. I have an old wrist injury from typing that flares up occasionally, so I figured it was related to that.

This time (two weeks later), I wore my padded gloves, stayed off gravel paths, and tried to keep my wrists straighter and put less weight on my hands. It definitely helped, but I still had a little bit of numbness, this time in both ring fingers, although it subsided much more quickly. Has anyone else successfully addressed this problem?

What kind of bike are you riding that's giving you numbness?  I have experienced numbness with flat bars with crappy grips on long distance rides.  For me, drop bars are much more comfortable because of the many positions you have for moving your hands.  Also, the straight handshake like position of riding in the drops or on the hoods keeps my wrist at an angle that my hands seem happier with.  Generally you want to have your wrists in a mostly straight position.

Tire inflation plays a roll in this as well.  It's common for people to fill their tires up to max pressure.  This is usually the wrong pressure to use - and an overinflated tire will transmit much more shock and vibration from the road into your hands - causing pain/numbness.  Tire pressure should be calculated based on the size of the tire (this will be written on the sidewall), your weight + the weight of the bike.  You can get some ballpark idea of what pressure you should be riding from online calculators (https://cycleschinook.com/tire-pressure-calculator/ (https://cycleschinook.com/tire-pressure-calculator/)).

As has been mentioned, bike fit and setup can also really play a part in this.  If your frame is too big many people will slide their saddle farther forward on the rails to be able to reach the bars comfortably.  But when you do this it ends up shifting your weight significantly into your hands hands - might be OK for short rides but will start to really hurt/cause numbness on longer rides.  If your bars are too low a similar problem can arise.  Having too much reach to the handlebars can sometimes make people grip at awkward angles and cause problems.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: Tass on August 28, 2022, 08:37:37 AM
Google carpal tunnel syndrome maybe?

My old injury was diagnosed by a doctor as not carpal tunnel. From my rudimentary knowledge, carpal tunnel is more likely to affect the thumb-side to middle of the hand, whereas my problem is on the pinky-side.

I have experienced numbness with flat bars with crappy grips on long distance rides.

This is probably an accurate description of my bike. I am pretty confident my frame is the right size, and I know the correct tire pressure to use - although last ride, my partner inflated my tires for me, so I should check with him.

Bar height is a variable I haven't messed with. I can also look into the grips recommended upthread.

Any tips on using core/torso muscles instead of letting weight fall into my hands, or is that just something I'll have to be really conscious of until it becomes habit?
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: GuitarStv on August 28, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
Any tips on using core/torso muscles instead of letting weight fall into my hands, or is that just something I'll have to be really conscious of until it becomes habit?

You can't use your core correctly if your saddle is in the wrong position.  It's very counter-intuitive (or at least it was for me) . . . but pushing your saddle further back from the bars tends to take weight off of the hands.

Think about doing a squat.  What happens?  If you keep your feet flat on the floor your butt has to stick way far back so that you don't fall forwards.  Now think about doing a squat where there's a wall or something preventing your butt from sticking far enough back.  You're going to tip towards the front.

If your saddle is too far forward you end up cycling in that forward-butt squatting position and this means that your hands are stuck taking up all that weight.  By moving the saddle further back on the rails you can get into the butt-back position which will naturally engage your core core more to prevent so much weight from going to your hands.  A quick check to see if you're in the correct saddle spot is hover your hands an inch over your grips while riding in your regular position.  If the saddle is too far forwards, you will have difficulty doing this or immediately fall forwards.  With a further back position you should be able to hover them for a few seconds at least.



If you're running flat bars, cheap bar ends can be set up to offer an alternative position to put your hands (usually the position is more ergonomic than flat bars too - less wrist angle in the handshake rather than pushup position).  It's very important to move hands around regularly on longer rides as this also helps prevent numbness from developing by letting your blood flow around the hand and not causing constriction.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: crimp on September 01, 2022, 10:22:22 AM
I just recently paid for a bike fit. It was absolutely worth it! Riding is way easier -- I'm actually using gravity and torque instead of forcing my way forward with my quads. I can do my ~10mi each way commute multiple days in a row without feeling like I'm working that hard. I'm no fitter than before, I'm just not abusing the wrong muscles. The fitter moved my handlebars closer with a new stem, shortened my handlebars,  tilted my seat forward and taught me how to 'fall' into the pedals instead of pushing down.

The cue he used to demonstrate the concept to me was to put both hands behind my back with the bike on a trainer. We put the bike into the highest gear and then I just leaned forwards and backwards to fall into the pedals. It really feels like I only just learned how to ride a bike.
Title: Re: Start Biking To Work - cycling newbies chat
Post by: mizzourah2006 on November 04, 2022, 09:13:42 AM
Just took a new job where I am no longer fully remote. I've been trying to bike to work when I have the flexibility. I went into the office Tuesday - Thursday this week and biked each day. It's about 13.2 miles round trip. Takes about 30 minutes each way. The big plus is it's basically all greenway/biking trails except the last quarter mile. I've also been largely biking to the gym when I go 3-4 days a week unless the weather is bad. That's 3.2 miles each way. But that will change because my company has a gym and it's a fraction of the price. But it may be a bit harder to just bike to the gym on a whim because it's now about 7 miles away, right near the office. Will probably just try to go to the gym the days I go into the office.

I have a 2020 Diamondback Haanjo 5. Got it through expert voice for 40% off.

https://99spokes.com/bikes/diamondback/2020/haanjo-5