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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1500 on: April 16, 2021, 06:36:36 PM »
I was fortunate enough to finally hit this milestone. Feel confident that I am enough over that it will stick.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1501 on: April 17, 2021, 12:37:35 PM »
I was fortunate enough to finally hit this milestone. Feel confident that I am enough over that it will stick.

Welcome aboard!  We've been gaining folks on one side and graduating them out the other at a pretty fair clip this year. 

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1502 on: April 19, 2021, 11:47:31 AM »
I was fortunate enough to finally hit this milestone. Feel confident that I am enough over that it will stick.

Welcome aboard!  We've been gaining folks on one side and graduating them out the other at a pretty fair clip this year.
Thank you! The markets have been good to me. I haven't even been putting new money in and have even sold off some company stock for a large purchase. It feels great.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1503 on: April 19, 2021, 12:16:48 PM »
Excited to join this thread!

NW (approx):

5/2012: -$20k - graduated college with some debt
10/2016: $300k - married my DH and made plans to TAKE OVER THE WORLD er uh.... just FIRE ;)
12/2017: $500k - graduated the '250-500k thread'
12/2020: $1,000k - hit millionaire status this month.



Trying to remember to updated quarterly:
Q121: $1,045k

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1504 on: April 24, 2021, 06:18:09 AM »
Just hit 1M in investments and 1.5M total networth!

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1505 on: April 30, 2021, 04:20:11 AM »
Total Net Worth (in thousands)

April 2021 = $1,004
May 2021 = $1,070

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1506 on: April 30, 2021, 11:06:07 AM »
Joining. At 7 figures by the skin of my teeth.
1/1/20: 491k
2/1/20: 525k
3/1/20: 538k
4/1/20: 477k
5/1/20: 444k
6/4/20: 595k
7/1/20: 596k
8/1/20: 639k
9/1/20: 655k
10/1/20: 692k
11/1/20: 687k
12/1/20: 793k
12/31/20: 813k
1/23/21: 864k
2/3/21: 883k
2/28/21: 893k
3/14/21: 924k
4/22/21: 968k
4/30/21: 1000k

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1507 on: April 30, 2021, 11:36:48 AM »
wow - doubled your money in about a year. Congratulations!

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1508 on: April 30, 2021, 12:46:19 PM »
               TNW            IA
Jun-05    -0.02 MM
Aug-13    0.15 MM
Sep-16    0.50 MM
Jul-19      1.02 MM
Nov-19    1.08 MM
Apr-20     1.04 MM
May-20    1.13 MM
Aug-20    1.28 MM     1.22 MM
Sept-20   1.28 MM     1.15 MM
Nov-20    1.51 MM     1.38 MM
Dec-20    1.55 MM     1.42 MM
Jan-21     1.57 MM     1.44 MM
Feb-21     1.60 MM    1.47 MM
Mar-21     1.64 MM    1.51 MM
Apr-21     1.76 MM     1.63 MM

I doubt I'll ever have a better 12 month NW increase then I have from April '20 to April '21.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1509 on: April 30, 2021, 04:43:25 PM »
Liquid NW / Total NW

1/1/16: $455k / 675k
1/1/17: $555k / 822k
1/1/18: $735k / 1.071M
1/1/19: $765k / 1.152M
1/1/20: $1.049M / 1.531M
4/1/20: $810k / 1.278M
7/1/20: $1.042M / 1.524M
10/1/20: $1.138M / 1.641M
1/1/21: $1.370M / 1.883M
2/1/21: $1.392M / 1.914M
3/1/21: $1.451M / 1.973M
4/1/21: $1.434M / 2.010M
5/1/21: $1.476M / 2.053M

Money seems like it's leaking out of every orifice to fix up - and own - our two houses (one to live in, one to prep for sale).  Market continues to give back, though; it's mostly been a matter of managing our cash flow and taxes.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1510 on: May 01, 2021, 12:47:02 AM »
Nov 2020 - 864k$
Dec 2020 - 956k$
Jan 2021 - 1.19m$
Feb 2021 - 1.23m$
Mar 2021 - 1.28m$
Apr 2021 - 1.35m$*
*mainly up thanks to crypto's

814 Days to FIRE (my 1,000 days challenge)
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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1511 on: May 01, 2021, 03:49:09 AM »
Another great month.  Stash is growing even though we're FIREd and doing a massive house reno.  Crazy!   
               
                 LNW   /  TNW
4/1/21     $1,004 / $1,673
5/1/21     $1,027 / $1,737

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1512 on: May 01, 2021, 07:25:55 AM »
Liquid net worth


Aug 2020     $1,217K
Sep 2020     $1,260K
Oct 2020     $1,265K
Nov 2020     $1,253K
Dec 2020     $1,375K
Jan 2021     $1,428K
Feb 2021     $1,463K
Mar 2021     $1,501K
Apr 2021     $1,720K
May 2021     $1,793K

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1513 on: May 01, 2021, 08:12:32 AM »
Monthly update:
All numbers exclude house value and 529 accounts
Jan 1 2021: 1,145k
Feb 1 2021: 1,173k
March 1, 2021: 1,200k
April 1, 2021: 1,268k
May 1, 2020: 1,328k

Weíre now just over the point where I can FIRE (hubs wants to work for another 7 years).  So, I will likely bounce sometime this summer.  Iím now just working to top up our charity fund and vacation fund.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1514 on: May 02, 2021, 09:17:16 AM »
Date          TotalNW   Stache Only
Nov 12 2020 - 1.001M    0.953M
Jan 01 2021 - 1.061M    1.026M
Feb 01 2021 - 1.061M    1.023M
Mar 05 2021 - 1.081M    1.048M
Apr 02 2021 - 1.139M    1.099M
May 02 2021 - 1.173M    1.132M

Highwater mark: Apr 27 2021 - 1.181M Total, 1.139M Stache


Starting coast-FIRE Monday - should still be enough income to invest some, but will be lower on the new-money front than we've become accustomed to.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1515 on: May 02, 2021, 11:54:40 AM »
I guess I'm graduating from this thread, less than three years after joining it. Not that I've done much more than lurk. I guess the first million really is the hard one. Didn't really think I'd get to this point, but life is full of surprises. Nice when they're good surprises.

Best of luck to everybody here, though if you're here I'd hardly say you need it.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1516 on: May 03, 2021, 07:34:48 AM »
Bought wife a car so my number will likely go down next month.  13 down financed 12.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1517 on: May 06, 2021, 01:19:06 PM »
Total Net Worth (in thousands)

April 2021 = $1,004

@OurTown , I saw your post announcing you've joined the double-comma club, and I saw your profile picture, which reminded me of LittleFinger's excellent "The Climb is all there is" speech from season III of "Game of Thrones".
« Last Edit: May 06, 2021, 01:33:26 PM by talltexan »

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1518 on: May 08, 2021, 09:43:30 AM »

2014: 512K
2015: 467K
2016: 514K
2017: 632K
2018: 697K
2019: 915K
2020: 1052K
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1/21: 1.14M
2/21: 1.16M
3/21: 1.17M
4/21: 1.25M
5/21: 1.26M

1.2 million was my earlier goal. But it now seems like I'm moving the goal post.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1519 on: May 08, 2021, 10:05:35 AM »

2014: 512K
2015: 467K
2016: 514K
2017: 632K
2018: 697K
2019: 915K
2020: 1052K
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1/21: 1.14M
2/21: 1.16M
3/21: 1.17M
4/21: 1.25M
5/21: 1.26M

1.2 million was my earlier goal. But it now seems like I'm moving the goal post.

Lol funny how that happens, isn't it?  2 years ago I was thinking 1.5M would be just about right, and now that Im basically there, I canít believe how I ever thought that would be enough! 

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1520 on: May 08, 2021, 10:21:29 AM »
I started tracking finances in Quicken in 1998. Lowest net worth was a few years later at around -$20,000 when I added in student loans. First became eligible to join this club late 2016. Today is the first day showing over $2,000,000. Although normal fluctuations are likely to bounce me below this milestone several times, I'm going to call it today and say that I have graduated out of this club.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1521 on: May 08, 2021, 10:27:36 AM »
I started tracking finances in Quicken in 1998. Lowest net worth was a few years later at around -$20,000 when I added in student loans. First became eligible to join this club late 2016. Today is the first day showing over $2,000,000. Although normal fluctuations are likely to bounce me below this milestone several times, I'm going to call it today and say that I have graduated out of this club.

Congratulations!   Quite an achievement

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1522 on: May 08, 2021, 09:35:41 PM »
The markets have been good to me and I'm in this group now too!  Can't believe it.

Invested Assets: 1,200K
Total Net Worth: 2,000K (with paid for house)

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1523 on: May 08, 2021, 09:42:54 PM »
I started tracking finances in Quicken in 1998. Lowest net worth was a few years later at around -$20,000 when I added in student loans. First became eligible to join this club late 2016. Today is the first day showing over $2,000,000. Although normal fluctuations are likely to bounce me below this milestone several times, I'm going to call it today and say that I have graduated out of this club.

Congratulations!   Quite an achievement
Thanks! But it doesnít really feel like I have done much to earn it. My progress through this race was fueled by about 20% automated savings and 80% S&P500 index funds.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1524 on: May 09, 2021, 10:14:43 AM »


1.2 million was my earlier goal. But it now seems like I'm moving the goal post.

Lol funny how that happens, isn't it?  2 years ago I was thinking 1.5M would be just about right, and now that Im basically there, I canít believe how I ever thought that would be enough!

I'm sure moving the goal is a common experience for folks in this club. In so many ways I'm not ready or wanting to retire. Money's a part of it. 

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1525 on: May 10, 2021, 08:16:08 AM »
                       2014                2015                2016                2017                2018                2019                2020                2021                2022               
January$-$292,190$304,411$437,806$581,831$615,789$767,806$941,921-
February$-$332,002$331,197$162,424$585,663$662,207$735,649$961,753-
March$-$332,209$331,749$481,340$583,773$683,014$683,851$992,700-
April$-$336,743$260,548$483,994$582,862$719,849$734,510$1,031,674-
May$256,131$338,884$373,153$483,982$585,929$701,938$760,661--
June$258,642$321,529$377,807$490,951$590,577$731,170$777,705--
July$276,381$320,767$414,764$503,706$601,024$721,753$819,352--
August$296,700$313,896$405,676$513,111$606,442$686,503$860,605--
September$290,244$301,079$422,204$525,158$610,690$698,968$868,597--
October$274,986$308,291$413,967$533,760$585,817$577,615$868,808--
November$282,762$308,558$419,572$549,074$595,773$620,036$910,235--
December$292,942$312,281$431,458$557,941$575,877$760,501$940,128--

Barry Manilow playing in the background.    "Looks like we made it........." 

Hope it sticks.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1526 on: May 10, 2021, 10:12:28 AM »
Congratulations and that is some impressive tablizing!

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1527 on: May 10, 2021, 10:37:19 AM »
Total Net Worth (in thousands)

April 2021 = $1,004

@OurTown , I saw your post announcing you've joined the double-comma club, and I saw your profile picture, which reminded me of LittleFinger's excellent "The Climb is all there is" speech from season III of "Game of Thrones".

Ironically we are rewatching the series and we just saw that episode again.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1528 on: May 11, 2021, 12:40:23 PM »
Jan. 2016: $181.7k
Jan. 2017: $249.5k
Jan. 2018: $377.3k
Jan. 2019: $499.2k
Jan. 2020: $710.5k

This year:
Jan. 2021: $1,055.8k
Feb. 2021: $1,082.5k
Mar. 2021: $1,166k
April 2021: $1,236k

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1529 on: May 11, 2021, 10:08:08 PM »
This is one of my favorite threads. Congratulations to all the recent graduates and to the new members taking their place.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1530 on: May 12, 2021, 06:19:09 AM »
This is one of my favorite threads. Congratulations to all the recent graduates and to the new members taking their place.

Agreed, it is amazing to see folks hit the two comma club, to grow up in it so quickly, and to move on to a stash growing bigger and faster than they ever imagined.

What a time to be alive! What a place that we can celebrate such cool things.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1531 on: May 25, 2021, 02:16:09 AM »
Little update - I'm now up over $200k since the start of the year to $1,795,000.

Had tenants move out of one of my IP's this month, three weeks of vacancy so there'll be a little bit of a dent in the cash flow this month. But the new tenants who signed today will be paying $820 a week, so there's a nice little future $20 a week "pay rise".

Was able to go in and have good look at the property for the first time too... it needs a good renovation (carpets, paint, walls, kitchen... basically everything except the bathrooms), so that'll be the next thing to tackle if/when this new tenancy comes to an end. If I do it up well (for say $50k) is should add a good 150-200k to the valuation, and increase the rent potential to over $1000 a week.

Race to $2m feels like it's entering a final downhill stretch now :)


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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1532 on: May 28, 2021, 05:57:23 AM »
Total Net Worth (in thousands)

April 2021 = $1,004
May 2021 = $1,070
June 2021 = $1,054

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1533 on: May 28, 2021, 01:49:40 PM »
                liquid and rental property equity      TNW (includes primary residence equity)
                   plus pension balance

10/1/20          ... $988K                     ...$1.16M
11/26/20 $1.02M $1.19M
1/3/21 $1.03M $1.21M
3/1/21 $1.09M $1.26M



6/1/2021        $1.09M                            $1.27M     (bought a roof and a paint job)
« Last Edit: May 28, 2021, 04:21:34 PM by monarda »

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1534 on: May 29, 2021, 07:54:41 AM »
Back to being the poorest guy in the thread.

Nope, that would be me!  Wasn't planning to make it here so soon, but with the recent market gains, I've somehow stumbled my way over here (at least until a correction comes along)!

1/2018 - $1,001,992
12/2017 - $961,556
11/2017 - $855,662
10/2017 - $841,984
9/2017 - $825,048
8/2017 - $810,361
7/2017 - $742,337
2016 - $619,152
2015 - $593,948
2014 - $190,525
2013 - $82,600
2012 - $75,812
2011 - ($159,240)
2010 - ($188,257)

Picking up some steam!  I've heard the second million is easier, but wow.  Ten years ago, I had a negative net worth.

12/2018 - $966,365
12/2019 - $1,288,725
12/2020 - $1,616,389
5/2021 - $1,888,603
« Last Edit: May 29, 2021, 08:06:20 AM by ShadowRegent »

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1535 on: May 29, 2021, 10:02:48 AM »
Still hanging on by my fingernails. 
               
                 LNW   /  TNW
4/1/21     $1,004 / $1,673
5/1/21     $1,027 / $1,737
6/1/21     $1,030 / $1,741

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1536 on: May 29, 2021, 12:26:07 PM »
Happy too see all the new millionaires and those hitting their second.  Keep charging to your goals.  If that goal is met, congratulations.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1537 on: May 29, 2021, 02:30:05 PM »
1/1/20: 491k
2/1/20: 525k
3/1/20: 538k
4/1/20: 477k
5/1/20: 444k
6/4/20: 595k
7/1/20: 596k
8/1/20: 639k
9/1/20: 655k
10/1/20: 692k
11/1/20: 687k
12/1/20: 793k
12/31/20: 813k
1/23/21: 864k
2/3/21: 883k
2/28/21: 893k
3/14/21: 924k
4/22/21: 968k
4/30/21: 1000k
5/29/21: 10006k

Rough month

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1538 on: May 29, 2021, 03:37:26 PM »
5/29/21: 10006k

Rough month
Ten million!

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1539 on: May 29, 2021, 10:30:40 PM »

4/30/21: 1000k
5/29/21: 10006k

Rough month

Super impressed by that progress!

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1540 on: May 29, 2021, 10:40:22 PM »
Liquid NW / Total NW

1/1/16: $455k / 675k
1/1/17: $555k / 822k
1/1/18: $735k / 1.071M
1/1/19: $765k / 1.152M
1/1/20: $1.049M / 1.531M
4/1/20: $810k / 1.278M
7/1/20: $1.042M / 1.524M
10/1/20: $1.138M / 1.641M
1/1/21: $1.370M / 1.883M
2/1/21: $1.392M / 1.914M
3/1/21: $1.451M / 1.973M
4/1/21: $1.434M / 2.010M
5/1/21: $1.476M / 2.053M
6/1/21: $1.519M / 2.086M

June is our last month of the full cash firehose, and we'll incur the rest of our moving expenses.  Income will be dropping way down starting in July.  Also hoping to sell our current house in July, which should toss a goodly chunk back into the liquid side of the house by September if all goes well.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1541 on: May 30, 2021, 09:15:54 AM »
5/29/21: 10006k

Rough month
Ten million!

I hate it when my net worth only goes up by an order of magnitude in a month :D

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1542 on: May 30, 2021, 04:44:59 PM »
1/1/20: 491k
2/1/20: 525k
3/1/20: 538k
4/1/20: 477k
5/1/20: 444k
6/4/20: 595k
7/1/20: 596k
8/1/20: 639k
9/1/20: 655k
10/1/20: 692k
11/1/20: 687k
12/1/20: 793k
12/31/20: 813k
1/23/21: 864k
2/3/21: 883k
2/28/21: 893k
3/14/21: 924k
4/22/21: 968k
4/30/21: 1000k
5/29/21: 1006k

Rough month

Lol fixed it you dorks =P

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1543 on: May 30, 2021, 07:17:25 PM »
1/1/20: 491k
2/1/20: 525k
3/1/20: 538k
4/1/20: 477k
5/1/20: 444k
6/4/20: 595k
7/1/20: 596k
8/1/20: 639k
9/1/20: 655k
10/1/20: 692k
11/1/20: 687k
12/1/20: 793k
12/31/20: 813k
1/23/21: 864k
2/3/21: 883k
2/28/21: 893k
3/14/21: 924k
4/22/21: 968k
4/30/21: 1000k
5/29/21: 1006k

Rough month

Lol fixed it you dorks =P

I was just kidding. That's what you get when you hang out in a forum full of engineers and software developers :D

May was a slow month for my net worth growth too. At least compared to the previous 2 months.

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1544 on: May 31, 2021, 07:46:55 PM »
Nov 2020 - 864k$
Dec 2020 - 956k$
Jan 2021 - 1.19m$
Feb 2021 - 1.23m$
Mar 2021 - 1.28m$
Apr 2021 - 1.35m$
May 2021 - 2.65m$

So even though it was heavy lost on crypto's last month (-56k$) I now graduated this goal. I did not double my wealth in May, but as I sold some of my shares in my own company and we made a deal for the rest of the shares later then I finally had a reason to add those into the wealth as before it would have been hard to give them an value.

So now onwards, I don't think we are going to increase the wealth a lot from here except perhaps through investments so my next 2 steps are.

1. learn to invest well
2. learn life after FI as I would say we have now reached that point.

if anyone here have some good points to topics on this forum or elsewhere to check I would highly appreciate.

783 Days to FIRE (my 1,000 days challenge)

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1545 on: June 01, 2021, 08:04:12 AM »
Liquid net worth

Aug 2020     $1,217K
Sep 2020     $1,260K
Oct 2020     $1,265K
Nov 2020     $1,253K
Dec 2020     $1,375K
Jan 2021     $1,428K
Feb 2021     $1,463K
Mar 2021     $1,501K
Apr 2021     $1,720K
May 2021     $1,793K
Jun 2021     $1,828K


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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1546 on: June 01, 2021, 08:07:13 AM »
So excited about this growth. It will allow me to leave work a full 5 months sooner than expected.
Jan 1 2021: 1,145k
April 1, 2021: 1,268k
June 1, 2021: 1,342k

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1547 on: June 01, 2021, 10:42:39 AM »
Why hello big pond, medium fish here shocked at the prospect of joining this thread.

You can read my resume below, and if the market cooperates I plan on hanging out until just after my 36th birthday.

-25,000 -> 100,000 was done in 10 months
100,000 -> 250,000 was done in 15 months
250,000 -> 500,000 was done in 16 months
500,000 -> 1,000,000 was done in 10 months
1,000,000 -> 2,000,000 should take about 27 months (edited from 16)

My current compensation is about double market value for my career but is inextricably tied to very low job security and Canadian politics so I feel privileged every week when I invest. I have one kid with a second one coming in October.

I'll be chasing up above the next group so won't be FIRE'ing from here but am excited nonetheless.

I only track my personal retirement accounts minus debts, ignoring real estate and any other assets (of which I don't have a vehicle or anything substantial anyway).


                       2016                2017                2018                2019                2020                2021                2022               
January 
--$25,189$116,236$230,742$402,238$820,660-
February 
--$24,977$122,183$244,321$389,937$858,606--
March 
Found MMM->
-$21,759$122,763$252,749$359,271$895,439-
April 
--$15,838$129,950$263,657$441,401$977,817-
May 
-$7,447$149,174$252,690$482,281$1,236,938-
June 
-$16,623$154,992$287,639$499,025--
July 
-$19,048$27,638$167,846$299,427$540,432--
August 
-$18,739$39,025$180,481$313,257$571,960--
September 
-$21,536$49,626$185,098$321,358$582,947-
October 
-$25,832$59,438$194,857$336,179$582,543--
November 
-$25,621$71,949$205,772$351,985$658,773--
December 
-$25,405$110,473$212,859$385,426$796,160--

Only tracking personal liquid stash and do not include my wife's savings or any Real Estate equity at this point
« Last Edit: June 02, 2021, 03:47:30 PM by dreadmoose »

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1548 on: June 01, 2021, 10:49:45 AM »
Welcome @dreadmoose!  Nice to see another recent graduate of the 500k-1M thread.   

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Re: Race from $1M to $2M
« Reply #1549 on: June 01, 2021, 12:00:08 PM »
Welcome @dreadmoose!  Nice to see another recent graduate of the 500k-1M thread.

Good to join you here, I hope it smells as nice as I'd dreamed of from below.