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Title: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 02, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
The cycling challenge for November 2015 is up and ready for you to start (or continue) riding!!
If you logged miles last month, and selected "Remember Me" on the form, you have been added to this month's sheet already.

If you didn't log miles last month, or are a new participant
Click here to fill out the form. (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1QFHSzw4lCv1JUlvqVY5-_fesi2-8bcI0eHZvjAfa3_8/viewform)
You can access the sheet directly at this link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lj03RQ2ra_JHRQe1tIlp_pBsoGKfqRFRncgQzm1h8Mw/edit?usp=sharing).
I can manually grab your historical data too, so if it's off, just let me know.  If they aren't there within a day, or you have any other issues with the sheet, hit me up via email, Google+ Hangouts (http://gplus.to/jordanread), PM, or just comment on this thread.
Happy biking!!


This month's question (on the summary sheet) is a bit more in depth than usual. I promise I'll go back to the simple ones next month. I've found that while biking, certain issues seem to fall away, certain thoughts disappear, and certain concerns are totally less important than the ride itself. So what went away for you? Feeling a bit self-discovery-ey currently, so don't answer if you don't want to. Or propose a better question. Oh, and didn't get the links to our individual sheets working yet, but I am working on it, along with a few other things.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 02, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
And because the timing is wonky, here is something posted right as I brought the new sheet up:

I've been having a pretty good time recently with getting a training schedule worked up.  My mentor suggests I need to be doing more miles than I have been this season, and mentioned that he follows my progress on Strava.  I've started working out at our HOA gym, trying to keep up the progress I've made this year and stay fit during the off season.

Had a wonderful ride on Saturday, got out to the turn around with nare a sprinkle, then downpour for about 30 minutes coming back before lightening up a bit.  Rain gear seems to be working well.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 02, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
I signed up....let's see how this month goes!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 02, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
I signed up....let's see how this month goes!

It will be as awesome as you'd like. Even though there might be a touch of ranking, and a bit of a competitive spirit around here, everyone who participates is here to help in any way they can. I love being number 1 for the few days I usually am, but mostly watching my history turn green makes me happy. Let me know (or post here) if you have any questions, comments, or concerns. This may be the longest running monthly gauntlet on the forums, and we're happy to have you here.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: AllieVaulter on November 02, 2015, 12:49:50 PM
I'm joining again.  Last month was a weird one, I didn't get to bike as much as I wanted.  But I started November off right. 

I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 02, 2015, 12:54:52 PM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 02, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Last night, I replaced my rear wheel and both sets of brake pads. This morning, it was pouring rain so hard that some parts of the city were almost flooding (http://www.ajc.com/news/weather/flood-watch-continues-through-monday-evening/npDgp/). Therefore, I decided the best plan was to use my 6-mile commute to work as the shakedown cruise, in the downpour, because I'm smart that way...!

:D

I usually see a bunch of other cyclists (at least on the multi-use trail part of my ride), but this morning I was mysteriously the only cyclist on my entire route.

The brakes were fine, but I had to pull over twice because my rear quick release apparently wasn't on tight enough and the wheel popped loose from the dropouts when I tried to accelerate from a stop. I also had to stop a couple of times because there was too much water in my eyes to see. Finally, I learned an important lesson, which is that even good fenders don't stop your feet from getting soaked when you ride through puddles unless you keep the pedals horizontal.

Wish me luck: my ride home tonight will be not only wet, but dark too!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Salivanth on November 02, 2015, 05:33:01 PM
Speaking of rain, I think the next step to going car-free is to not be a slave to a few raindrops falling from the sky. I tried Googling for wet weather gear, but got a ton of expensive stuff, and articles that seemed designed to market them.

So I ask you, Mustachians; what types of gear do I actually need for my bike and I to remain comfortable in light rain? I don't need the works yet; if the weather is truly rotten, I can still drive for now.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: AllieVaulter on November 02, 2015, 06:13:34 PM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).

I have loctite, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use that on my bike...  But if you guys say it's OK, then I'll believe you.  :)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 02, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).

I have loctite, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use that on my bike...  But if you guys say it's OK, then I'll believe you.  :)
I'd say it depends on your setup, and the color of loctite. Can you post some photos of the screw/location?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 02, 2015, 07:52:40 PM
I'm in!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 03, 2015, 05:39:03 AM
So I ask you, Mustachians; what types of gear do I actually need for my bike and I to remain comfortable in light rain? I don't need the works yet; if the weather is truly rotten, I can still drive for now.

I don't have wet weather gear for me - I just get soaked, in fact I kind of enjoy it.  But for my stuff (including my computer), I have an awesome messenger bag that keeps everything dry (even in a torrential downpour - that got tested).  So I just bring a change of everything (and a small towel) and dry off.  This probably won't work when it gets freezing, but was okay in the 45F rain the other day.

Bag:  http://www.chromeindustries.com/us/en/blckchrm-citizen (http://www.chromeindustries.com/us/en/blckchrm-citizen)
It is a bit pricey (non-mustacian), but they are supposed to last forever (mustachian).  This was one of my last purchases before finding MMM....

That's my strategy fwiw.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 03, 2015, 08:43:30 AM
Speaking of rain, I think the next step to going car-free is to not be a slave to a few raindrops falling from the sky. I tried Googling for wet weather gear, but got a ton of expensive stuff, and articles that seemed designed to market them.

I have a "water-resistant" jacket from REI, and I'll tell you that yesterday it did pretty much nothing. By the time I got to work, I might as well have gone swimming for how wet I was.

I don't have wet weather gear for me - I just get soaked, in fact I kind of enjoy it.  But for my stuff (including my computer), I have an awesome messenger bag that keeps everything dry (even in a torrential downpour - that got tested).  So I just bring a change of everything (and a small towel) and dry off.  This probably won't work when it gets freezing, but was okay in the 45F rain the other day.

What do you wear that keeps you comfortable at 45F (presumably with wind), even when it's wet?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 03, 2015, 08:55:23 AM
What do you wear that keeps you comfortable at 45F (presumably with wind), even when it's wet?

A windbreaker I got from work (that still gets wet), warm leggings, bike shorts, a regular pair of shorts, a tight undershirt (something like underarmor), a shirt, thick socks, and a pair of running shoes.  The shoes are the worst part, because they take forever to dry.

Hmm....I hadn't thought about all of the layers I put on...
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: AllieVaulter on November 03, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
What do you wear that keeps you comfortable at 45F (presumably with wind), even when it's wet?

A windbreaker I got from work (that still gets wet), warm leggings, bike shorts, a regular pair of shorts, a tight undershirt (something like underarmor), a shirt, thick socks, and a pair of running shoes.  The shoes are the worst part, because they take forever to dry.

Hmm....I hadn't thought about all of the layers I put on...

When it's raining really hard, I often wear sandals (Chacos).  My feet are a bit chilly during the ride, but my commute is only 3 miles.  Then my feet and sandals dry out really fast once I'm at work.  I've also left a pair of shoes under my desk (and pants!) and had a pair of work shoes and commuting shoes. 

My brother got me a fancy bike jacket and pants as a gift a few years ago (an older model of this http://www.rei.com/product/852275/novara-express-20-bike-jacket-mens?cm_mmc=cse_PLA_GOOG-_-8522750004&CAWELAID=120217890000868092&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA_GOOG (http://www.rei.com/product/852275/novara-express-20-bike-jacket-mens?cm_mmc=cse_PLA_GOOG-_-8522750004&CAWELAID=120217890000868092&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA_GOOG)).  I really like the jacket, but the rain pants are less comfortable.  My thighs are too big, so it reduces my range of movement.  So I usually just wear bike shorts, spandex pants, and running pants over the top of that.  As it gets even colder I replace the running pants with a pair of fleece pants or thick soccer pants for extra warmth. 

On my upper body, I wear a base layer (similar to under armour), a mid-weight shirt, (sometimes a poly-pro shirt on top of that) a fleece vest, and my rain coat.  I pretty much always wear my rain coat because it's the most visible thing I own. 

I have a rather large selection of riding clothes to choose from (years of sports/hiking).  I think the most important thing when you're expecting to get wet, is to avoid cotton.  It's so absorbent and takes so long to dry, it feels so much colder when it's wet.  Aim for quick drying clothes.  That way, you can drape them over your bike (or somewhere in your office) and they'll be dry when it's time for you to get dressed for the ride home. 
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 03, 2015, 11:09:41 AM
Speaking of rain, I think the next step to going car-free is to not be a slave to a few raindrops falling from the sky. I tried Googling for wet weather gear, but got a ton of expensive stuff, and articles that seemed designed to market them.

So I ask you, Mustachians; what types of gear do I actually need for my bike and I to remain comfortable in light rain? I don't need the works yet; if the weather is truly rotten, I can still drive for now.

The most important thing is to let go of the fear of getting wet. No matter what gear you wear, some part of you will get wet. I only get cranky about rain when it's raining so hard my eyeballs fill up with water and I can't see. Strangely, you get used to this after 20 min and then when you get inside you can't see because they're dry again. Weird.

I live in the PNW and I wear fleece lined tights (check Costco), socks, neoprene cycling booties over my bike shoes, some sort of polyester quick dry shirt and a cycling windbreaker. The wind breaker doesn't keep me dry, but it does dry quickly after I hang it up, so it's not wet for the ride home. When it's really cold (just above freezing) I add a thin toque under my helmet. My bag is just a regular messenger bag (not waterproof) and I put all my work clothes in a plastic grocery bag to keep them dry.

When it's warm and raining, I don't do anything special. Just the regular shorts and quick dry t-shirt. Biking makes me sweaty anyway, so some rain doesn't bother me.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 03, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
I wear a Gore Tex riding jacket that is now 2-3 sizes too big (lost a lot of weight, it used to fit snug), got some Showers Pass rain pants (somehow found a pair of xxl pants for $25, a little large but works great when you have more layers underneath), and some booties for the shoes without soles (good for cleated shoes, just don't step in puddles).  My stuff is carried in a plastic box, bungee corded and zip tied to a seat pole rack.  For my head I have a waterproof cap that goes over my helmet.

Currently I only have a front fender, but am looking into adding one for the rear.  Never had a problem with them coming loose on either bike.  My road bike has fancy road bike fenders that strap on with rubber bands and reusable zip ties.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 03, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
I've found that when it rains, I realize I'm not here in Colorado, so I took a really wrong turn. Friggin' droughts and lack of rain. I just sweat, and end up getting soaked. If there was rain, I have no clue what I'd do differently,
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Mrs. PoP on November 03, 2015, 04:38:49 PM
I use ziploc bags to store anything of importance when it's raining.  The big ones hold my laptop, shoes, clothes that shouldn't get wet, small ones for smart phones, key fabs etc.  Sometimes in the winter I wear an old crew jacket that's mostly waterproof, but it's too warm to use most of the time in FL.  I also try and wear a non-white top on days when it's likely to rain.  (No need to provide a free show of the sports bra underneath!) 

Other than that, it's just my usual setup - dry wick clothing and fenders.  I find I get truly soaked maybe 5 times per year max.  And wet 2 or 3x as often as that.  Which isn't that bad considering we have a 4-month long rainy season. 

Have you tried getting a good weather app?  I find that Dark Sky does a really good job at forecasting out the next hour of precipitation very accurately.  I can adjust my departure times by 10-30 minutes and avoid a lot of rain with its help. 
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Punky Bikester on November 04, 2015, 10:23:58 AM
Plastic bread bags and plastic bag-type ponchos are a cheap way to find out what areas need to be covered up in the rain. I found out that for me, keeping my extremities warm (not necessarily dry) is essential in order to prevent chilblains, so I went for quality shoe covers and gloves, but shopped around/waited for deals on rain pants and a waterproof jacket.

A note about shoe covers: I have found that waterproof shoe covers really only work in light rain to prevent road spray soakage. In harder rain, if I'm not wearing rain pants, the water runs right down my legs and into the shoes anyway. In such a case, I'll just wear thermal shoe covers and let my feet get wet.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: AllieVaulter on November 04, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).

I have loctite, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use that on my bike...  But if you guys say it's OK, then I'll believe you.  :)
I'd say it depends on your setup, and the color of loctite. Can you post some photos of the screw/location?

Here are the offensive fender screws (attached to the straight silver rod, on the left).  I think it will be fine if they're thread-locked.  It looks like the tire should still be able to come out (I've only ever had to change one tire, and it wasn't on this bike).  Anyone see any potential problems with putting threadlock on these screws?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 04, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).

I have loctite, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use that on my bike...  But if you guys say it's OK, then I'll believe you.  :)
I'd say it depends on your setup, and the color of loctite. Can you post some photos of the screw/location?

Here are the offensive fender screws (attached to the straight silver rod, on the left).  I think it will be fine if they're thread-locked.  It looks like the tire should still be able to come out (I've only ever had to change one tire, and it wasn't on this bike).  Anyone see any potential problems with putting threadlock on these screws?

Those appear to be attached to specific frame mounts. Based on this link (http://www.henkelna.com/industrial/Loctite-Threadlockers-by-Color-14023.htm), I'd think that purple would be just fine. Didn't want to suggest something if the mounts were different. So I apologize for the delay in an actual answer.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: AllieVaulter on November 04, 2015, 11:40:21 AM
[...]
I do have a question.  How often do people with fenders end up tightening them?  I've had to tighten them twice in the past month.  Should I just really crank down on the screws?  Or just pay attention and accept that I'll have to tighten them repeatedly?

I don't have fenders (although I should). Some of the first posts end up getting missed, so I'd recommend asking again in a couple of days. Also, there is threadlock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-locking_fluid).

I have loctite, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use that on my bike...  But if you guys say it's OK, then I'll believe you.  :)
I'd say it depends on your setup, and the color of loctite. Can you post some photos of the screw/location?

Here are the offensive fender screws (attached to the straight silver rod, on the left).  I think it will be fine if they're thread-locked.  It looks like the tire should still be able to come out (I've only ever had to change one tire, and it wasn't on this bike).  Anyone see any potential problems with putting threadlock on these screws?

Those appear to be attached to specific frame mounts. Based on this link (http://www.henkelna.com/industrial/Loctite-Threadlockers-by-Color-14023.htm), I'd think that purple would be just fine. Didn't want to suggest something if the mounts were different. So I apologize for the delay in an actual answer.

No problem.  I'll probably wait until they get loose again before using the Loctite anyways.  :)  Thanks for taking a look!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 04, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
Allie,

I'd bet that people around these parts may have some additional suggestions. So who else has a solution to bolts that loosen due to the awesome bumps we experience on a day to day basis?

Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: crazy jane on November 05, 2015, 06:23:43 PM
Thank you Jordan.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 05, 2015, 06:44:40 PM
I'd bet that people around these parts may have some additional suggestions. So who else has a solution to bolts that loosen due to the awesome bumps we experience on a day to day basis?

I think this is one of those questions that pretty much has one right answer, and threadlock is it. However, I will say that I've never heard of purple Loctite before (maybe it's new...) so feel free to use blue (which should be available just about anywhere) instead. Just don't use red; it's too strong.

If it were something bigger, like a crank, then we might have a conversation about torque specs, but nobody's going to bother with that kind of thing for rack bolts.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: PindyStache on November 05, 2015, 08:19:23 PM
I've had really bad rack bolts that just wouldn't stay put, even with threadlocker. I switched out the bolts for slightly longer ones and put nuts/washers on the other side of the mounts. This has been working so far.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 06, 2015, 07:58:44 AM
There is one intersection on my commuting route that is going to kill me if I don't change my behavior.  It is one of those a road dead-ends into another road with four lanes.  There are lights, but the cars in the far lane aren't expecting a biker to come along and go all the way across to the bike path on the other side.  There is of course a bike lane that I'm riding in, directly to the path specifically for bikes across the road.  If a car isn't already stopped in the far lane (on my green), if the light turns yellow, the car just slows a bit and keeps on going.  This has happened twice in two weeks.   

Time to turn into a pedestrian walking my bike at that intersection.  :/

Layout:

Lake
<---------------------  Bike Path---->
============       <- Car trying to kill me
============       4 lane road
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     |                   |
     |              me(going towards bike path, on my green light) |
     |                   |
     |                   |
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Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 09, 2015, 02:28:35 PM
Just borrowed a set of rollers from a friend for the next couple of months.  Should be fun to keep up the winter riding without having to ride in downpours.  I set it up with my bike camera to record me riding, so far I found on the roller that the angle my leg makes at 6 o'clock is slightly too small (135*) and have adjusted my seat height by 3mm.  Testing this tonight to see if it makes a difference.

I have also been trying to use the recumbent spin bike at my gym but I get some knee pain while using it.  I plan on bringing my video camera next time to record me so I can check the angle of my legs while cycling.  The tough problem is unlike my bike which has essentially infinite granularity when it comes to adjusting saddle height, the recumbent has about a half inch granularity, or about 12mm per adjustment, which is a huge amount, and makes it hard to find just the right spot.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 09, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
Should be fun to keep up the winter riding without having to ride in downpours.

Bah! You western Oregon types are such wusses about rain!

Just last week, I rode my bike to work in a downpour so hard that the weather service issued flash flood watches.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 09, 2015, 05:56:43 PM
Should be fun to keep up the winter riding without having to ride in downpours.

Bah! You western Oregon types are such wusses about rain!

Just last week, I rode my bike to work in a downpour so hard that the weather service issued flash flood watches.

Lol, I did a half century last winter in the pouring rain, wringing out my gloves at every stop.  For commuting I'll gladly face the rain and get to work, but for training I'll do it, but I'll also look for some alternatives.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: aetherie on November 10, 2015, 06:28:10 AM
Rookie mistake this morning: "oh, it's not really raining yet; I'll wear my jacket but carry the pants for later."

Now I'm sitting in my cubicle wearing my nice dry rain pants with nothing underneath while my jeans dry out under my desk because it turns out it doesn't matter if it's not really raining; the spray from the road will soak you through.

Note to self: don't be an idiot.
Additional note to self: get fenders.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 10, 2015, 07:10:38 AM
Bah! You western Oregon types are such wusses about rain!
Lol, I did a half century last winter in the pouring rain, wringing out my gloves at every stop.  For commuting I'll gladly face the rain and get to work, but for training I'll do it, but I'll also look for some alternatives.

Yeah, I know you're not really a wuss. I was just enjoying the irony of your statement.

Additional note to self: get fenders.

Yup. Last night I rode home in a light drizzle wearing jeans and a cotton shirt (rather than the polyester athletic stuff I usually commute in) because I had a community meeting to attend, but hardly got wet at all because I have good fenders.

By the way, you might want to periodically check on those jeans and turn them over/blot with paper towels/hold them under the hand blowdryer in the bathroom, because it's entirely possible they'll still be soaking wet at 5PM.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: aetherie on November 10, 2015, 07:48:10 AM
By the way, you might want to periodically check on those jeans and turn them over/blot with paper towels/hold them under the hand blowdryer in the bathroom, because it's entirely possible they'll still be soaking wet at 5PM.

I have been checking on them; thanks for the reminder though. I wish we had a hand dryer in the bathroom!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 10, 2015, 08:16:04 AM
Additional note to self: get fenders.

Then road test fenders.  I got mine a few days ago, they are on the bike...tomorrow there is rain.  I'm curious how well they'll work.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 11, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
Fenders are fantastic.  I have a big box on the back of my bike and forego that fender (though I still want one, I get some spray on the back of my pants sometimes) but the front fender absolutely improved 10 fold my rain riding.  I no longer get a constant spray of water into my face, puddles aren't soaking my shoes from parting the waters (though there are limits to this), and turning slightly doesn't send a stream of muddy water up the front of me.

On my road bike I have full fenders and I only get wet on rides in the rain, rather than wet and dirty.

Further tests with the rollers are going great.  So far 3 days in a row and I am now able to grab the towel without too much effort or slowdown, though I'm still far from perfect on this.  Looks like I should be able to easily make it through the winter with some decent training and hit next year stronger than I was this year.

Just found this news story, thought it would be interesting for some:
http://oneyeartimetrial.org.uk/ (http://oneyeartimetrial.org.uk/)

Someone is trying to beat the most miles in a year record of 65,782 miles.  That's averaging just over 180mi/day.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 11, 2015, 03:43:59 PM
Additional note to self: get fenders.

Then road test fenders.  I got mine a few days ago, they are on the bike...tomorrow there is rain.  I'm curious how well they'll work.

Road tested fenders today.  Verdict:  Awesome!  Is it unseemly to steer for puddles in a road bike? ;)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 12, 2015, 12:52:07 PM
Additional note to self: get fenders.

Then road test fenders.  I got mine a few days ago, they are on the bike...tomorrow there is rain.  I'm curious how well they'll work.

Road tested fenders today.  Verdict:  Awesome!  Is it unseemly to steer for puddles in a road bike? ;)

Not at all! Just beware of the puddles that are hiding pot holes . . .
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 12, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Additional note to self: get fenders.

Then road test fenders.  I got mine a few days ago, they are on the bike...tomorrow there is rain.  I'm curious how well they'll work.

Road tested fenders today.  Verdict:  Awesome!  Is it unseemly to steer for puddles in a road bike? ;)

Not at all! Just beware of the puddles that are hiding pot holes . . .

Agreed!  But on my regular commuting route, where I know the small dips that will form puddles.... :D
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 12, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Additional note to self: get fenders.

Then road test fenders.  I got mine a few days ago, they are on the bike...tomorrow there is rain.  I'm curious how well they'll work.

Road tested fenders today.  Verdict:  Awesome!  Is it unseemly to steer for puddles in a road bike? ;)

Not at all! Just beware of the puddles that are hiding pot holes . . .

That's what I think of whenever I see a puddle, especially smaller ones.  The reason there is a puddle is the water can't flow somewhere else, so very likely that there is a pothole somewhere around that puddle.

Last night I was going to get back on the rollers, but on my ride home I felt a little bit of a pain near my left knee, sort of on the tendon that comes up behind it, possibly the hamsting or something related.  Tried the rollers for about 1 minute and said, nope, not happening tonight.  This morning so far no pain in the same area, though I didn't push myself very hard because I'd rather give it a little rest and let it heal than push and hurt myself more.  Hopefully tonight I can get another good training session going.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: asch on November 12, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
I'm a little late in the month, but count me in!

I always look forward to the friendly competition in my city and around the office during bike to work month. This is like that, except it'll just keep going every month(?) and there is a nice centralized place for the data to live, too cool.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 16, 2015, 07:20:22 AM
I'm a little late in the month, but count me in!

I always look forward to the friendly competition in my city and around the office during bike to work month. This is like that, except it'll just keep going every month(?) and there is a nice centralized place for the data to live, too cool.

Welcome! And yeah, we do a new one every month, and I'll post here the link to the new month. Your monthly data is saved and carried forward (assuming you selected that).

I'm going to ride to meet up with a friend of mine later this morning. While we were figuring out scheduling and all that, he sent me this (https://vimeo.com/122247331) video he made. I don't want to call it the dark side of biking, as usually that is reserved (at least to me) for dealing with other people, but crashes are a thing that happens. The video is just over 11 minutes long, but it documents this friend's recovery after a gnarly crash that left him paralyzed for a few months. It's a pretty amazing story. I've only seen him once since the accident, so this will be the second time. Of course I chose to meet somewhere along the bike trail, because I'm like that. He's now apparently riding a recumbent trike.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 16, 2015, 02:50:28 PM
I'm going to ride to meet up with a friend of mine later this morning. While we were figuring out scheduling and all that, he sent me this (https://vimeo.com/122247331) video he made. I don't want to call it the dark side of biking, as usually that is reserved (at least to me) for dealing with other people, but crashes are a thing that happens. The video is just over 11 minutes long, but it documents this friend's recovery after a gnarly crash that left him paralyzed for a few months. It's a pretty amazing story. I've only seen him once since the accident, so this will be the second time. Of course I chose to meet somewhere along the bike trail, because I'm like that. He's now apparently riding a recumbent trike.

Thanks for the video, very timely for me.  I didn't break anything or bruise a spinal cord but I did get into my first bike accident that left me on the ground.  I was going down a road which is supposedly a popular route for cyclists getting to the trail I wanted to ride and there were train tracks that intersect it at probably 45-30 degrees.  A car happened to have been coming the other way so I wasn't able to position myself on the left side of the road to run across the tracks at the preferable 90 degrees.

I'll admit, first person video of an accident is sort of boring when it comes to falling down, but I made a short video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLPnOIjCe34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLPnOIjCe34)

If you skip to the end I'll have picked my bike up and you'll see more clearly how the railroad tracks are laid.  I came out of it with a hurt wrist and shoulder on my right side, and a scraped up palm (I had taken my gloves off after a couple miles because it was too warm for the gloves I had, sort of wish I wouldn't have now).  I can attest that a helmet very much saved my life.  I distinctly recall the broad side of my head smacking against the pavement and thinking, "that didn't hurt much at all, felt like a tap."

I continued to ride another 10 miles onto the trail before getting a flat, which was a pain to replace with the injuries I had, and my CO2 cartridge failed me, so I tore the stem off the bad tube (I had used a new one when repairing knowing I only really had one chance) and stuffed that into the tire with the good tube to increase the volume in the tire and began my slow trek back.  Fortunately, despite it being a drizzly day outside, I came across another cyclist who had a better CO2 tip than I did (I have also since purchased a new one) and got me on my way home at full speed rather than a cumbersome 5-9mph.

Somewhere on the route back my camera fell off my bike without me noticing.  After getting home and resting for a bit my wife and I set out to try and find the camera.  I remember it going low battery about the time I turned around, but don't remember if I saw it when the other cyclist stopped to help, so I found that spot and we drove towards it, taking the route I took back (which avoided that slippery patch of train tracks).  Luckily around the 11mi from home point we saw it on the side of the highway and turned around and picked it up.  A minor scratch on the plastic outer lense protector, no other damage.

Sadly today I drove to work as my arm and shoulder are still sore, I can't pick up heavy items, or hold their weight, with my right arm yet.  My team captain, who happens to be a doctor, says my arm is probably my deltoid and rotator cuff.  Looks like this week I'll be on the gym recumbent while my shoulder and wrist heals.  Supposed to be great weather this weekend and I hope to be back out in it.

I know my story sort of pales in comparison, but your friends video is a great inspiration.  It's hard to keep myself from just getting right back on the bike and riding more, but I know it'll be better to give myself a little time to heal.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 16, 2015, 03:21:35 PM
Thanks for the video, very timely for me.  I didn't break anything or bruise a spinal cord but I did get into my first bike accident that left me on the ground. 

Glad you enjoyed it. Tell me he didn't look like a robot! Also, wow. With as much as you ride, I would have expected at least a few falls. I've taken more than my fair share, but they are just fun. You ride on ice?

I was going down a road which is supposedly a popular route for cyclists getting to the trail I wanted to ride and there were train tracks that intersect it at probably 45-30 degrees.  A car happened to have been coming the other way so I wasn't able to position myself on the left side of the road to run across the tracks at the preferable 90 degrees.

I'll admit, first person video of an accident is sort of boring when it comes to falling down, but I made a short video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLPnOIjCe34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLPnOIjCe34)

If you skip to the end I'll have picked my bike up and you'll see more clearly how the railroad tracks are laid.  I came out of it with a hurt wrist and shoulder on my right side, and a scraped up palm (I had taken my gloves off after a couple miles because it was too warm for the gloves I had, sort of wish I wouldn't have now).  I can attest that a helmet very much saved my life.  I distinctly recall the broad side of my head smacking against the pavement and thinking, "that didn't hurt much at all, felt like a tap."

I continued to ride another 10 miles onto the trail before getting a flat, which was a pain to replace with the injuries I had, and my CO2 cartridge failed me, so I tore the stem off the bad tube (I had used a new one when repairing knowing I only really had one chance) and stuffed that into the tire with the good tube to increase the volume in the tire and began my slow trek back.  Fortunately, despite it being a drizzly day outside, I came across another cyclist who had a better CO2 tip than I did (I have also since purchased a new one) and got me on my way home at full speed rather than a cumbersome 5-9mph.

Somewhere on the route back my camera fell off my bike without me noticing.  After getting home and resting for a bit my wife and I set out to try and find the camera.  I remember it going low battery about the time I turned around, but don't remember if I saw it when the other cyclist stopped to help, so I found that spot and we drove towards it, taking the route I took back (which avoided that slippery patch of train tracks).  Luckily around the 11mi from home point we saw it on the side of the highway and turned around and picked it up.  A minor scratch on the plastic outer lense protector, no other damage.

Sadly today I drove to work as my arm and shoulder are still sore, I can't pick up heavy items, or hold their weight, with my right arm yet.  My team captain, who happens to be a doctor, says my arm is probably my deltoid and rotator cuff.  Looks like this week I'll be on the gym recumbent while my shoulder and wrist heals.  Supposed to be great weather this weekend and I hope to be back out in it.

I know my story sort of pales in comparison, but your friends video is a great inspiration.  It's hard to keep myself from just getting right back on the bike and riding more, but I know it'll be better to give myself a little time to heal.  Thanks for sharing.

You are all welcome for the video. I'm assuming the cool HUD thing on the video is because it's a VIRB? If not, I demand to know how you did it. :P Anyway, you've kind of inspired me to cut some of my bike crashes into a video. I will say there are a lot more fun when it's a helmet cam. I mean, not for us who crash, but more fun to watch.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 16, 2015, 11:51:57 PM
Thanks for the video, very timely for me.  I didn't break anything or bruise a spinal cord but I did get into my first bike accident that left me on the ground. 

Glad you enjoyed it. Tell me he didn't look like a robot! Also, wow. With as much as you ride, I would have expected at least a few falls. I've taken more than my fair share, but they are just fun. You ride on ice?

I rode every day for 2 years in Taiwan, probably at least 8-12 hours a day on average, if not more (I was a Mormon missionary (now atheist) and apparently not a very good one because I rarely had people to teach, thus riding 8-12 hours a day trying to find someone).  Never an accident, fall, or spill.  Only flat tire I got was when I lent my bike to someone else who returned it flat.

In the states I've ridden for almost two years nearly every day, including a freak snow storm that was sunny in the morning and a foot of snow by 3 o'clock.  Never been hit by a car (close call once), and only recently had a collision with one that was in the bike lane which I reported here earlier last month.  Even with racing I've never had an accident.  This has shocked me a little bit, but I still have a huge desire to ride.

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You are all welcome for the video. I'm assuming the cool HUD thing on the video is because it's a VIRB? If not, I demand to know how you did it. :P Anyway, you've kind of inspired me to cut some of my bike crashes into a video. I will say there are a lot more fun when it's a helmet cam. I mean, not for us who crash, but more fun to watch.

The HUD thing is because of the VIRB edit software, free to download and use, no VIRB required.  If your video has gps data with it then it will just use that, and you can add a more extensive gpx file to it (though not merge them) and it will match up the gps data to synchronize or else you'll have to tell it a spot in the video that matches with your gpx.

Funny thing was I had turned the MIC off for this ride thinking, why do I need to record the wind going by, if I hadn't you would have heard the shouting and the cussing.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 17, 2015, 07:02:31 AM
I like the seeing the numbers that show how much was saved in gas per biking trip; however, I always feel a bit annoyed when gas prices fall and all of the "Cost if driven" numbers fall.  Conversely, if gas goes up, it is fun to see all of those numbers tick up.  It is kind of fun to feel like I'm swimming against the current in a manner of speaking. 

Is it possible to use the GasBuddy xml to pull out the price of gas on a given day, and then add a column that has the gas price on that particular day so that the "Cost if driven" corresponds to the day the miles were logged?

Not that I really care - I love the speadsheet!  I was just curious - plus I'm a datahead. :D

Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 17, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
I like the seeing the numbers that show how much was saved in gas per biking trip; however, I always feel a bit annoyed when gas prices fall and all of the "Cost if driven" numbers fall.  Conversely, if gas goes up, it is fun to see all of those numbers tick up.  It is kind of fun to feel like I'm swimming against the current in a manner of speaking. 

Is it possible to use the GasBuddy xml to pull out the price of gas on a given day, and then add a column that has the gas price on that particular day so that the "Cost if driven" corresponds to the day the miles were logged?

Not that I really care - I love the speadsheet!  I was just curious - plus I'm a datahead. :D
I hear you there, I love going through spreadsheets and projecting savings, etc.  I've found that now I've cut down my driving a whole lot I'm sort of out of touch with how much gas costs.  If it wasn't for my mileage app which I record how much my fill up was and when I wouldn't even be able to tell you if the price went up or down, and sometimes I miss out on all the commotion over super low gas prices, or the hysteria around prices going up.  Such is the lot of those who fill up but once every two months.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 17, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
I like the seeing the numbers that show how much was saved in gas per biking trip; however, I always feel a bit annoyed when gas prices fall and all of the "Cost if driven" numbers fall.  Conversely, if gas goes up, it is fun to see all of those numbers tick up.  It is kind of fun to feel like I'm swimming against the current in a manner of speaking. 

Is it possible to use the GasBuddy xml to pull out the price of gas on a given day, and then add a column that has the gas price on that particular day so that the "Cost if driven" corresponds to the day the miles were logged?

Not that I really care - I love the speadsheet!  I was just curious - plus I'm a datahead. :D

Unfortunately, the IMPORTXML() function only grabs the current data on the website (which is today's). After looking around a bit at gasbuddy, I can't find historical daily data (although I did find this pay historical data site (https://www.gaspricedata.com/PickData.aspx), but I'm only willing to spend time on the challenge, not money). I did spend a little bit of time setting something like this up moving forward. I created a spreadsheet that will grab the daily data from Gasbuddy, and put it into a spreadsheet. I won't modify the Cycling Challenge at this time, and still need to wait until tomorrow to ensure the trigger works. That being said, read only access is available here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJhRLVL4OJjH4RxlNv83cCMfLYkezVw4tV15ltyf7_U/edit?usp=sharing). In theory, it will grab the data every day from GasBuddy, and enter the static values in the Data spreadsheet with the date. Anyone can access this, and you can manually edit your own sheet each month. Working on a more friendly way to copy paste for ease of use.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 18, 2015, 07:51:38 AM
Since my bike was stolen in August, I've been riding Backup Bike full time. I'm super thankful for her, but she doesn't fit me properly (unfortunately). In the short term, I need to buy a new seat. (Long term = new bike). Here's the deal. I have wide sit bones; I think I'd need a 160mm saddle, but bonus issue: my sit bones are misaligned, so I'd need it to be wide enough for a good portion of the length of the saddle (not just at the very back). I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well. This is probably a long shot, but does anyone have saddle suggestions? Thanks!

Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 18, 2015, 08:49:36 AM
I like the seeing the numbers that show how much was saved in gas per biking trip; however, I always feel a bit annoyed when gas prices fall and all of the "Cost if driven" numbers fall.  Conversely, if gas goes up, it is fun to see all of those numbers tick up.  It is kind of fun to feel like I'm swimming against the current in a manner of speaking. 

Is it possible to use the GasBuddy xml to pull out the price of gas on a given day, and then add a column that has the gas price on that particular day so that the "Cost if driven" corresponds to the day the miles were logged?

Not that I really care - I love the speadsheet!  I was just curious - plus I'm a datahead. :D

Unfortunately, the IMPORTXML() function only grabs the current data on the website (which is today's). After looking around a bit at gasbuddy, I can't find historical daily data (although I did find this pay historical data site (https://www.gaspricedata.com/PickData.aspx), but I'm only willing to spend time on the challenge, not money). I did spend a little bit of time setting something like this up moving forward. I created a spreadsheet that will grab the daily data from Gasbuddy, and put it into a spreadsheet. I won't modify the Cycling Challenge at this time, and still need to wait until tomorrow to ensure the trigger works. That being said, read only access is available here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJhRLVL4OJjH4RxlNv83cCMfLYkezVw4tV15ltyf7_U/edit?usp=sharing). In theory, it will grab the data every day from GasBuddy, and enter the static values in the Data spreadsheet with the date. Anyone can access this, and you can manually edit your own sheet each month. Working on a more friendly way to copy paste for ease of use.

Excellent!  Thank you!
For those interested, you can import the values from the spreadsheet that is updating with the daily gas prices with this formula:
=IMPORTRANGE("1AJhRLVL4OJjH4RxlNv83cCMfLYkezVw4tV15ltyf7_U", "Data!A1:B32")

You're awesome! :D
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 18, 2015, 09:06:42 AM
Oh, and prices from Nov 1st through the start of the tracking spreadsheet (Yes, I'm a bit obsessive and pulled these off of the 1 month USA average graph):
November 1, 2015   2.19
November 2, 2015   2.19
November 3, 2015   2.20
November 4, 2015   2.22
November 5, 2015   2.22
November 6, 2015   2.22
November 7, 2015   2.22
November 8, 2015   2.22
November 9, 2015   2.22
November 10, 2015   2.21
November 11, 2015   2.20
November 12, 2015   2.20
November 13, 2015   2.19
November 14, 2015   2.18
November 15, 2015   2.16
November 16, 2015   2.15
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 18, 2015, 09:12:10 AM
I like the seeing the numbers that show how much was saved in gas per biking trip; however, I always feel a bit annoyed when gas prices fall and all of the "Cost if driven" numbers fall.  Conversely, if gas goes up, it is fun to see all of those numbers tick up.  It is kind of fun to feel like I'm swimming against the current in a manner of speaking. 

Is it possible to use the GasBuddy xml to pull out the price of gas on a given day, and then add a column that has the gas price on that particular day so that the "Cost if driven" corresponds to the day the miles were logged?

Not that I really care - I love the speadsheet!  I was just curious - plus I'm a datahead. :D

Unfortunately, the IMPORTXML() function only grabs the current data on the website (which is today's). After looking around a bit at gasbuddy, I can't find historical daily data (although I did find this pay historical data site (https://www.gaspricedata.com/PickData.aspx), but I'm only willing to spend time on the challenge, not money). I did spend a little bit of time setting something like this up moving forward. I created a spreadsheet that will grab the daily data from Gasbuddy, and put it into a spreadsheet. I won't modify the Cycling Challenge at this time, and still need to wait until tomorrow to ensure the trigger works. That being said, read only access is available here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJhRLVL4OJjH4RxlNv83cCMfLYkezVw4tV15ltyf7_U/edit?usp=sharing). In theory, it will grab the data every day from GasBuddy, and enter the static values in the Data spreadsheet with the date. Anyone can access this, and you can manually edit your own sheet each month. Working on a more friendly way to copy paste for ease of use.

Excellent!  Thank you!
For those interested, you can import the values from the spreadsheet that is updating with the daily gas prices with this formula:
=IMPORTRANGE("1AJhRLVL4OJjH4RxlNv83cCMfLYkezVw4tV15ltyf7_U", "Data!A1:B32")

You're awesome! :D


I'll get the data that you have entered into the sheet. That will screw up your importrange numbers depending on where you set the IMPORTRANGE. If you want to be all obsessive and get the canadian numbers too, that would be awesome.

Also, for those of you in Canada, how the hell do your gas prices work? Is the Canadian dollar that weak? I'm showing > 100 for these.


Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 18, 2015, 11:11:09 AM

Also, for those of you in Canada, how the hell do your gas prices work? Is the Canadian dollar that weak? I'm showing > 100 for these.

Yup, the Canadian $ is super weak right now. No online shopping from US sites or US vacations for us.

I'm not sure I understand the gas price question. Gas here is sold by the litre. One L = 0.264172 US ga. Locally, the price is about $1.18/L or $4.47/ga in CAD. If you put the gas price in the spreadsheet, I'd ignore the currency conversion. Most of us buy gas by the L in CAD. The US/CAD currency conversion is irrelevant.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 18, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
Also, for those of you in Canada, how the hell do your gas prices work? Is the Canadian dollar that weak? I'm showing > 100 for these.

Yup, the Canadian $ is super weak right now. No online shopping from US sites or US vacations for us.

I'm not sure I understand the gas price question. Gas here is sold by the litre. One L = 0.264172 US ga. Locally, the price is about $1.18/L or $4.47/ga in CAD. If you put the gas price in the spreadsheet, I'd ignore the currency conversion. Most of us buy gas by the L in CAD. The US/CAD currency conversion is irrelevant.

Thanks TrMama!! I knew that it's sold by the liter (one day, I swear, we will switch to metric), but I was going off of what is listed on the GasBuddy site. Look at the statistics table on the left side of http://then.gasbuddy.com/ (http://then.gasbuddy.com/). I don't know what it means exactly. Is it the canadian dollar? The current exchange rate is $1CAD = $.75USD, and there are around 3.78L to a gallon. Currently price in the US is $2.11/gallon. I'm beginning to think that the stats are per gallon, based on the canadian dollar, but feeling way too lazy to actually figure it out.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 18, 2015, 12:18:24 PM
Also, for those of you in Canada, how the hell do your gas prices work? Is the Canadian dollar that weak? I'm showing > 100 for these.

Yup, the Canadian $ is super weak right now. No online shopping from US sites or US vacations for us.

I'm not sure I understand the gas price question. Gas here is sold by the litre. One L = 0.264172 US ga. Locally, the price is about $1.18/L or $4.47/ga in CAD. If you put the gas price in the spreadsheet, I'd ignore the currency conversion. Most of us buy gas by the L in CAD. The US/CAD currency conversion is irrelevant.

Thanks TrMama!! I knew that it's sold by the liter (one day, I swear, we will switch to metric), but I was going off of what is listed on the GasBuddy site. Look at the statistics table on the left side of http://then.gasbuddy.com/ (http://then.gasbuddy.com/). I don't know what it means exactly. Is it the canadian dollar? The current exchange rate is $1CAD = $.75USD, and there are around 3.78L to a gallon. Currently price in the US is $2.11/gallon. I'm beginning to think that the stats are per gallon, based on the canadian dollar, but feeling way too lazy to actually figure it out.

I'm pretty sure those numbers in the 100 range are the price of gas in c/L (cents/litre), measured in CAD. If you click on http://then.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=3 you can generate charts gas price charts based on region and have the data reported in US $/ga or CAD c/L.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 18, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
Also, for those of you in Canada, how the hell do your gas prices work? Is the Canadian dollar that weak? I'm showing > 100 for these.

Yup, the Canadian $ is super weak right now. No online shopping from US sites or US vacations for us.

I'm not sure I understand the gas price question. Gas here is sold by the litre. One L = 0.264172 US ga. Locally, the price is about $1.18/L or $4.47/ga in CAD. If you put the gas price in the spreadsheet, I'd ignore the currency conversion. Most of us buy gas by the L in CAD. The US/CAD currency conversion is irrelevant.

Thanks TrMama!! I knew that it's sold by the liter (one day, I swear, we will switch to metric), but I was going off of what is listed on the GasBuddy site. Look at the statistics table on the left side of http://then.gasbuddy.com/ (http://then.gasbuddy.com/). I don't know what it means exactly. Is it the canadian dollar? The current exchange rate is $1CAD = $.75USD, and there are around 3.78L to a gallon. Currently price in the US is $2.11/gallon. I'm beginning to think that the stats are per gallon, based on the canadian dollar, but feeling way too lazy to actually figure it out.

I'm pretty sure those numbers in the 100 range are the price of gas in c/L (cents/litre), measured in CAD. If you click on http://then.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=3 you can generate charts gas price charts based on region and have the data reported in US $/ga or CAD c/L.

BE PREPARED FOR IGNORANT US RESIDENT QUESTION: Your logic makes sense. I don't want to assume anything, and like I said, I'm not modifying the main cycling challenge sheet as of yet. However, are there 100 cents to a Canadian Dollar?

Also, are you okay if I reach out to you if I decide to incorporate this into the main sheet? It seems like way too much work for what this is, but since I'm grabbing the data daily, who knows?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 18, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
My commute home tonight was a little bit... damp.

When I rode my bike along the street with 1" deep flowing water, I thought to myself "the drivers probably think I'm insane." When I walked my bike through shin-deep standing water on the sidewalk, I thought to myself "maybe those drivers are right!"

(By the way, my route home has an easy transit alternative, but I chose to ride my bike anyway.)

Also, now I probably need to re-grease my bottom bracket.  : /
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 18, 2015, 06:09:42 PM
Funny thing in Taiwan, also sold by liters, but the conversion is like 30TWD to 1USD, and with the conversion for liters to gallons it works out to be a similar looking number with the decimal in the wrong place, something like 35TWD/l when it was 3.50USD/gal.  Of course then I rode a scooter which cost me 100TWD to fill up.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 18, 2015, 06:10:44 PM
My commute home tonight was a little bit... damp.

When I rode my bike along the street with 1" deep flowing water, I thought to myself "the drivers probably think I'm insane." When I walked my bike through shin-deep standing water on the sidewalk, I thought to myself "maybe those drivers are right!"

(By the way, my route home has an easy transit alternative, but I chose to ride my bike anyway.)

Also, now I probably need to re-grease my bottom bracket.  : /

But, you got extra badass points this way!!!! :D
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: SweetTPi on November 19, 2015, 09:52:30 AM
Thanks for the video, very timely for me.  I didn't break anything or bruise a spinal cord but I did get into my first bike accident that left me on the ground.

I haven't watched either video- too soon since I also just had my first 'adult' accident on Nov 7th.  (I crashed a few times as a kid and have the scars to prove it.)  I was out on a group fun ride.  I was having fun talking and this wasn't observant enough- I caught the uneven lip near the side of the road with my tire and went down sideways.  It was more than an inch drop from the road to the poured concrete gutter.  The bad thing was, there was someone behind me who had nowhere to go but over me, and ended up more hurt than I was.  Anyway, I mainly had really sore muscles, but I do have a deep muscle/bone bruise on my leg that I'm going to have to let heal up before I start biking again, as it is still aching when walking.  Going without my daily bike commute is killing me, though.  I'm glad that there's no video of the crash- remembering it is bad enough.

Oh, and I'll take this opportunity to advocate for wearing helmets properly- mine did its job, taking the impact for me and cracking.  (And before the controversy starts up- yes, I understand not wearing one too.  I occasionally don't when I'm going for a slow easy ride on a protected path, and I think it's okay to use your judgement.  Just know that no matter how good you are on a bike, accidents happen faster than you think, and it barely takes time to put one on.)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 19, 2015, 10:53:48 AM
BE PREPARED FOR IGNORANT US RESIDENT QUESTION: Your logic makes sense. I don't want to assume anything, and like I said, I'm not modifying the main cycling challenge sheet as of yet. However, are there 100 cents to a Canadian Dollar?

Also, are you okay if I reach out to you if I decide to incorporate this into the main sheet? It seems like way too much work for what this is, but since I'm grabbing the data daily, who knows?

Yes, 100 cents to the dollar. I have no idea why gas here is sold in c/L. I have a hunch it's a holdover from when gas was <$1/L.

Of course, you're welcome to pester me with more questions. It makes me feel so smart ;-)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 19, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
Thanks for the video, very timely for me.  I didn't break anything or bruise a spinal cord but I did get into my first bike accident that left me on the ground.

I haven't watched either video- too soon since I also just had my first 'adult' accident on Nov 7th.  (I crashed a few times as a kid and have the scars to prove it.)  I was out on a group fun ride.  I was having fun talking and this wasn't observant enough- I caught the uneven lip near the side of the road with my tire and went down sideways.  It was more than an inch drop from the road to the poured concrete gutter.  The bad thing was, there was someone behind me who had nowhere to go but over me, and ended up more hurt than I was.  Anyway, I mainly had really sore muscles, but I do have a deep muscle/bone bruise on my leg that I'm going to have to let heal up before I start biking again, as it is still aching when walking.  Going without my daily bike commute is killing me, though.  I'm glad that there's no video of the crash- remembering it is bad enough.

Oh, and I'll take this opportunity to advocate for wearing helmets properly- mine did its job, taking the impact for me and cracking.  (And before the controversy starts up- yes, I understand not wearing one too.  I occasionally don't when I'm going for a slow easy ride on a protected path, and I think it's okay to use your judgement.  Just know that no matter how good you are on a bike, accidents happen faster than you think, and it barely takes time to put one on.)

I've heard a lot of stories about people crashing (including the one earlier), and I have known a few people who have cracked their helmets instead of their heads (remember: those things are only good for one serious crash, and then it has to be replaced). I still have absolutely no opinion on the subject of wearing helmets (although some strong ones regarding legislation surrounding the issue), and primarily wear mine as a way to attach the crazy amount of peripherals I use (tail light, two front facing lights, GoPro, etc). That being said, the video I posted doesn't have footage of the crash, just the recovery. I find it quite inspiring. None of my crashes have been nearly that bad, and that's a good thing. He recovered mostly, and that's also a good thing. Also, at one stage of the recovery, my friend looked like a robot, and that's a super awesome thing!!

As a major cycling advocate, and someone who is currently practicing a zen outlook, I personally felt that the video did a good job of reminding me of the potential risks we face every day (due to the fact that we are surrounded by unattentive people, wrapped in 1000s of pounds of metal) and we all rock by biking instead of driving. Also, I don't know this for a fact, but I'm pretty sure being a biker makes one a better driver.

BE PREPARED FOR IGNORANT US RESIDENT QUESTION: Your logic makes sense. I don't want to assume anything, and like I said, I'm not modifying the main cycling challenge sheet as of yet. However, are there 100 cents to a Canadian Dollar?

Also, are you okay if I reach out to you if I decide to incorporate this into the main sheet? It seems like way too much work for what this is, but since I'm grabbing the data daily, who knows?

Yes, 100 cents to the dollar. I have no idea why gas here is sold in c/L. I have a hunch it's a holdover from when gas was <$1/L.

Of course, you're welcome to pester me with more questions. It makes me feel so smart ;-)

Glad I have the ability to make you feel smart!! I had no idea that it was how gas was sold. That explains the numbers perfectly.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: 80Westy on November 20, 2015, 04:07:21 PM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 20, 2015, 05:02:07 PM
I wear wool socks and hiking boots. Works well for me at 30F.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 20, 2015, 05:05:57 PM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.

I wear wool socks and hiking boots. Works well for me at 30F.

Last winter I wore wool socks and hiking boots.  For my road bike with cleated shoes I have booties that made a huge difference, but I guess YMMV.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 20, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
On a similar topic - what do people wear on their hands?  I have a pair of biking gloves, but they aren't going to cut it when it gets below 20F.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 20, 2015, 08:06:23 PM
Gloves = Trash Bags Garbage Picker Mittens
They are expensive, but they were so worth it for me. Two winters ago, I felt like my fingers might shatter every time I shifted or applied the breaks. Last winter, I bought the Garbage Picker Mittens, and my fingers were so happy.

I would wait to buy gloves until you know how often you're going to ride and how cold your hands get with the gloves you own.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 20, 2015, 08:25:03 PM
Gloves = Trash Bags Garbage Picker Mittens
They are expensive, but they were so worth it for me. Two winters ago, I felt like my fingers might shatter every time I shifted or applied the breaks. Last winter, I bought the Garbage Picker Mittens, and my fingers were so happy.

I would wait to buy gloves until you know how often you're going to ride and how cold your hands get with the gloves you own.
It was in the 20s a few days ago and my fingers wanted to fall off.  I'm planning on biking every day (5 weeks straight so far, woot!)  I think at this point the question isn't am I going to get heavier gloves? - the question is what kind and can I find some for a reasonable price?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 20, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
 Well the Garbage Pickers got me through Boston's winter last year.
https://trashmessengerbags.com/#/product/27 (https://trashmessengerbags.com/#/product/27)

Good luck with your search!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 20, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
Another survivor!  Frankly, I'm surprised there is anyone left in the city! :D
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Salivanth on November 23, 2015, 12:16:34 AM
Well, I rode my commute in 35C / 95F heat, and I'm still alive. Bring it on, Australian summer!

That said, people around me are quite worried about me riding in 40C / 104F+ heat. I assume it's fine as long as I bring plenty of water (it seems that most people's default reaction to unusual circumstances is to worry about them) but I figured I may as well get a second opinion. Does anyone here ride in that kind of heat? My commute is about 12 km / 7.5 miles.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 23, 2015, 04:54:06 AM
Well, I rode my commute in 35C / 95F heat, and I'm still alive. Bring it on, Australian summer!

That said, people around me are quite worried about me riding in 40C / 104F+ heat. I assume it's fine as long as I bring plenty of water (it seems that most people's default reaction to unusual circumstances is to worry about them) but I figured I may as well get a second opinion. Does anyone here ride in that kind of heat? My commute is about 12 km / 7.5 miles.

I've never ridden in that kind of weather, but I used to run in it a decent amount.  I never skipped a run because of heat, my hottest run was a 4 miler in 104F. 
The key things are:
a.  Build up a tolerance - make sure you have some heat exposure - such as biking all the other days!
b.  Drink lots of water - before, during, and after.
c.  Take it easier than you think you need to (i.e. bike slower). 
The most likely bad thing to happen would be fainting and falling off of your bike.  So if you feel dizzy - just stop the bike and get away from the road.  Don't try to push through that. 
YMMV, but that is how I'd approach the situation. 

I'm curious - what does everyone else think?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 23, 2015, 11:16:09 AM
Well, I rode my commute in 35C / 95F heat, and I'm still alive. Bring it on, Australian summer!

That said, people around me are quite worried about me riding in 40C / 104F+ heat. I assume it's fine as long as I bring plenty of water (it seems that most people's default reaction to unusual circumstances is to worry about them) but I figured I may as well get a second opinion. Does anyone here ride in that kind of heat? My commute is about 12 km / 7.5 miles.

The biggest indicator is whether you feel sick after riding in that heat or not? If you feel OK, you're most likely just fine. If you feel sick, then you need to make some adjustments.

I can bike in dry heat like that, but I need fluid that includes electrolytes. I also like to dunk my shirt in cold water, wring it out, and then put it on. Helps keep me cooler. FTR I'm actually pretty wussy about heat.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 23, 2015, 11:23:12 AM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.

I hate to state the obvious, but pants are probably called for here. As I tell my children, if your extremities are cold, but you're not wearing basic outerwear then the warmest mittens/socks/etc aren't going to help.

I wear fleece lined tights, regular thin socks, cleated bike shoes and heavyweight neoprene bike booties. My feet are always warm. Note that bike booties come in different thicknesses of neoprene. Thin ones suck.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jorjor on November 23, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
On a similar topic - what do people wear on their hands?  I have a pair of biking gloves, but they aren't going to cut it when it gets below 20F.

I wear a pair of split-fingered mittens that look like lobster hands. They were pretty cheap on clearance at Performance Bike when I got them. I'll wear full-fingered cycling gloves down to about low-to-mid-30s and then turn to the mittens when it gets colder than that.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: aetherie on November 23, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
First day commuting below freezing:

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/7YU4C/i-can-t-feel-my-face/image.png?w=500&c=1)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jorjor on November 23, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
Also when it is really cold, I wear a face mask and ski goggles instead of my normal sunglasses. No skin left exposed.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 24, 2015, 08:10:36 AM
aetherie awesome! It's face mask time. Wore mine and my aforementioned mittens, arrived to work toasty.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jorjor on November 24, 2015, 09:04:39 AM
My biggest problem with winter commuting is hardly ever riding in the light of day. I ride in the morning when the sun is up, but it's cold enough that I have everything covered. I ride home in the evening in the dark. Today I partially wussed out and rode to the train station and hopped on the train most of the way. My company pays the cost of the train pass whether we use it or not, so it still cost me nothing...but I still felt like a wuss.

Last year, I talked my boss into letting me take a "siesta" for 2 hours in the afternoon in the winter so I could ride outside when it was light out and somewhat warm. I might have to start doing that again soon.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 24, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
My biggest problem with winter commuting is hardly ever riding in the light of day. ...
I don't know why, but I love riding in the dark.  Perhaps it will get old after awhile, but right now it's fun.  Plus, everyone things I'm crazy - which just makes it more fun.
...now if I could just keep my fingers from freezing off...
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jorjor on November 24, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
My biggest problem with winter commuting is hardly ever riding in the light of day. ...
I don't know why, but I love riding in the dark.  Perhaps it will get old after awhile, but right now it's fun.  Plus, everyone things I'm crazy - which just makes it more fun.
...now if I could just keep my fingers from freezing off...

I actually don't hate the act of riding in the dark. I've done winter 2+ hour training rides in the dark without problem. It's the daily grind of rarely seeing the sun that gets me after a while.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 24, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
My biggest problem with winter commuting is hardly ever riding in the light of day. ...
I don't know why, but I love riding in the dark.  Perhaps it will get old after awhile, but right now it's fun.  Plus, everyone things I'm crazy - which just makes it more fun.
...now if I could just keep my fingers from freezing off...

I actually don't hate the act of riding in the dark. I've done winter 2+ hour training rides in the dark without problem. It's the daily grind of rarely seeing the sun that gets me after a while.
What is this "sun" you speak of?
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ditheca on November 24, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
Committed to bike to work this winter.  Last year I gave up on Nov 1.  Month is almost over and I'm still going strong!

Today was the first day below freezing.

Re: freezing hands.. I bought these snowboard gloves to replace the thin gloves that were giving me frostbite.  They work great.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Men-s-Ski-Gloves-Snowboard-Gloves-Snowmobile-Motorcycle-Riding-Winter-Gloves-Windproof-Waterproof-Unisex-Snow/32232433292.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Men-s-Ski-Gloves-Snowboard-Gloves-Snowmobile-Motorcycle-Riding-Winter-Gloves-Windproof-Waterproof-Unisex-Snow/32232433292.html)
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: 80Westy on November 25, 2015, 07:35:51 AM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.

I hate to state the obvious, but pants are probably called for here. As I tell my children, if your extremities are cold, but you're not wearing basic outerwear then the warmest mittens/socks/etc aren't going to help.

I wear fleece lined tights, regular thin socks, cleated bike shoes and heavyweight neoprene bike booties. My feet are always warm. Note that bike booties come in different thicknesses of neoprene. Thin ones suck.

Pants, eh?  Hmm, let me see, I think you might be on to something here.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Optimiser on November 25, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.

I got on to ask the same question. I couldn't feel my feet when I got to work this morning, which made carrying my bike up the stairs to my office difficult. I haven't tried booties or wool socks yet, so there is obviously some room for improvement.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Nancy on November 25, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
My biggest problem with winter commuting is hardly ever riding in the light of day. ...
I don't know why, but I love riding in the dark.  Perhaps it will get old after awhile, but right now it's fun.  Plus, everyone things I'm crazy - which just makes it more fun.
...now if I could just keep my fingers from freezing off...

I actually don't hate the act of riding in the dark. I've done winter 2+ hour training rides in the dark without problem. It's the daily grind of rarely seeing the sun that gets me after a while.
What is this "sun" you speak of?
I know not of this "sun."
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jorjor on November 25, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
Does anyone have suggestions on keeping feet warm?  I am still riding in shorts at 30F and legs feel OK, but toes are very cold after my 1 hour commute. Tried rain booties today but they barely made a difference.

I got on to ask the same question. I couldn't feel my feet when I got to work this morning, which made carrying my bike up the stairs to my office difficult. I haven't tried booties or wool socks yet, so there is obviously some room for improvement.

Down to about 30ish degrees, I'll use a neoprene cover like these: http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1080301_-1_400094__400094

Below that, I need something more insulated. I can't find the exact one I have, but it's something like this: http://www.endurasport.com/products/?ProductID=684&initcode=E1117BK. The only time I've had an issue is riding a 3 hour ride in mid-teens temperatures, and only on the part I was going into the wind.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 26, 2015, 06:47:51 AM
....
Below that, I need something more insulated. I can't find the exact one I have, but it's something like this: http://www.endurasport.com/products/?ProductID=684&initcode=E1117BK. The only time I've had an issue is riding a 3 hour ride in mid-teens temperatures, and only on the part I was going into the wind.
Totally off topic, but during cross-country in high school, when it was super cold (Think -10F) our coaches would drive us out of town in the direction of the wind so we could run home with the winds at our backs.  Not running was out of the question, of course.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 26, 2015, 06:57:29 AM
Question for the crowd:

What do people do to look behind themselves while commuting?  I feel like attempting this is the most dangerous thing I do -because I turn my head, so I'm taking my eyes off of the road ahead and cars do stupid shit. 

Do you:
a)  Turn your head over your shoulder?
b)  Have some sort of mirror - if so, what kind?

Thanks!
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Salivanth on November 27, 2015, 06:17:57 AM
If I need to look behind me, I just turn my head. If you're in a position where it could be dangerous to turn your head for a second, probably best just not to do so. Cars are very, very unlikely to rear-end you; they can see you in front of them after all. They'll slow down rather than run over someone.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: aetherie on November 27, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Question for the crowd:

What do people do to look behind themselves while commuting?  I feel like attempting this is the most dangerous thing I do -because I turn my head, so I'm taking my eyes off of the road ahead and cars do stupid shit. 

Do you:
a)  Turn your head over your shoulder?
b)  Have some sort of mirror - if so, what kind?

Thanks!

I have a mirror mounted on my left handlebar. I think it's called a Mountain Mirrycle (my bike is a hybrid; they make a different model for road bikes).
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: TrMama on November 27, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Question for the crowd:

What do people do to look behind themselves while commuting?  I feel like attempting this is the most dangerous thing I do -because I turn my head, so I'm taking my eyes off of the road ahead and cars do stupid shit. 

Do you:
a)  Turn your head over your shoulder?
b)  Have some sort of mirror - if so, what kind?

Thanks!

I don't have a mirror. I refuse to get one since I'm pretty sure being able to see the constant stream of cars coming up behind me would just freak me right out. I turn my head, listen and use arm signals. If I need to change lanes or do something creative, I get into position way ahead of time and "take the lane" so I can't be cut off.

The caveat to all of that is that I don't ride in heavy city traffic. I commute from one burb to another and only deal with highways and residential streets.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jack on November 27, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
The vast majority of my commute is either (a) multi-use path, (b) quiet residential street, or (c) narrow urban street, in which case I take the lane. I rarely feel the need to look behind me in any of those situations, but when I do I just turn my head.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: ohyonghao on November 30, 2015, 11:17:32 AM
On my commuter helmet I have a mirror.  I don't see a constant stream of cars as the mirror is sort of smallish and you have to actually divert your eyes to see it.  But even with this mirror I use it as sort of a check if cars are behind me, if I don't see any, or they seem far away, then turn my head and check.  I do the same thing in the car, check mirrors, then turn my head and check.  Don't see why a bike should be any different.

On my road bike I don't ride with a mirror.  I just turn my head and check.

--

Today it was 27* out on my ride to work.  Felt pretty good riding out there, though my thighs were a little cold.  I was actually expecting it to have been a bit warmer out, but I assume the cloud cover last night came in late.  I also debated on driving again today, with the excuse that my shoulder still hurts a little, but if I can ride 100mi on the weekend I shouldn't be complaining about a little 3.5mi ride to work.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Jeremy E. on November 30, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Time for someone to make a December Cycling Challenge, gogogo
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: Eric222 on November 30, 2015, 11:23:44 AM
Thanks for the looking behind responses everyone.

I occasionally want to pass another cyclist and there is one spot that I need to move across a lane of traffic to turn left on my commute.  I always feel just a bit uncomfortable looking over my shoulder - but mostly it is because I don't like not seeing what is in front of me.  I'm going to just keep turning my head and being careful. 
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on November 30, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
Time for someone to make a December Cycling Challenge, gogogo
I'll handle it as I usually do. We do a new one every month. New I've will be up tomorrow. Last post on this thread will be a link to the new one.
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on December 03, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
Folks, i didn't forget about you. What I did forget was that month's end on occasion, and one must look at the date to figure out when that is. I just now did that for the first time in a few weeks. New challenge will be up within an hour.
And I was drunk when I replied to the post above, so I blame the booze (and the fact that tapatalk doesn't list the date/time a post was made).
Title: Re: November Cycling Challenge 2015
Post by: jordanread on December 03, 2015, 12:34:26 PM
Told ya!!! New challenge is here (http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/throw-down-the-gauntlet/december-cycling-challenge-2015/).