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Bike around America
« on: May 21, 2012, 09:24:52 PM »
I've wondered what I would do when I reach FI and became fascinated with the idea biking around the USA.  I say around because I wouldn't want to just go coast to coast but would like to go down the west coast from Washington, go across the southern states where I have never been, travel up the east coast, and then perhaps come back through Canada.  My dream is to take several detours and see many of the national monuments, and famous places I've heard so much about.  To keep the whole thing very badass, I was thinking of camping as much as I can, staying with friends and family, and still trying to cook for myself as much as possible.  I'd image this would keep my expenses down.

However this trip is very far off in the future which gives me a lot of time to prepare and ask some questions.  And what better group of people to ask about this gauntlet than other mustashians! 

I have a bike but it's not really cut out for this kind of trip.  I've read about touring bikes but I'd like to ask anybody with long distance biking experience what kind of bike would they get for an adventure like this?  What kind of extras would you but on the bike?  What are things to avoid?

I've found http://www.adventurecycling.org/ and http://www.biketouring.net/ which both seem to be really good resources, but are there other places people know of?

Like I said this is going to be a long way off for me (3+ years probably) but just knowing it is something that is waiting for me is quite exciting.


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Re: Bike around America
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 06:51:36 AM »
Whatever bike and gear you get, I would make sure you have put a ton of miles on it before you even set off on your trip. The summer before, it'd probably be good to put 1000 miles on the bike or more to get your body used to the position.

You'll definitely want a road bike. The touring geometry is a little more relaxed for the rider, but if you'd be spending hours and hours and hours on the bike every week I don't know if that would do you any good. If it were me I'd go for a road bike with the standard fitness/racing geometry and try and find a bike with the right mount points for a rear rack.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 10:15:58 AM »
Awesome!  First, some of my background.  I did my first long-distance bike tour in 2003 (Chicago-Atlanta-Chicago), and have since done 4 more multi-week tours (including Chicago->Oregon Coast and Eastern seaboard from New York->Georgia).  I just booked a couple of nights in Yosemite NP in September that will hopefully be part of a ride from Portland, OR to Los Angeles (via the Sierras, not the coast).  My longest trips have been "only" 4 weeks, but doing epic ones like you're thinking of are definitely part of my plans in ER!

My first advice would be to try out something smaller, perhaps while you're still working, to see if you actually *like* long-distance (solo?) bike touring.  Most people who dream about it do end up loving it as much as they thought they would, but some don't.  Better to find out sooner than after 3+ years of dreaming and planning.  :-)

For a bike, I strongly disagree with grant.  Certainly people can find a way to tour on anything, but if you're looking to do an epic trip like this, comfort, durability, and reliability are paramount.  That points to a dedicated touring bike.  On such a trip, you usually don't *want* to go that fast anyway!  These days, the Surly Long-Haul Trucker seems to be the darling of the bike-touring community, particularly in terms of value (though I'm not sure how your Japan location(?) affects availability).  The good thing about touring bikes is that they're also excellent all-around bikes, and pretty close to what an ideal commuting bike would be too.

Then you'll need racks and panniers (front and rear), or you could go with a trailer instead (that's a bit of a religious war in the touring community).  You can tour with a smaller luggage capacity/lighter weight, but if you want to tour Mustachian-style (mostly camping and cooking your own food), that pushes you more towards more cargo.

Though my tours have all been camping/cooking (I actually think of them more as camping trips than bike-riding trips), I actually have never been able to make them particularly Mustachian, still spending something like $50/day.  I don't do a lot of stealth-camping (meaning that I mostly pay for campgrounds, and an occasional motel), and I need a buttload of calories, usually purchased at very high prices (you aren't getting 25 lb. bags of oats from Costco).  I could certainly do better in retirement, but since my trips so far have been time-limited, I've tended to pay more for convenience that would allow me to cover more ground faster.

My inspiration for bike touring and much of my knowledge came from http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/touring/index.htm  Ken has since passed away, so some of the specifics may be a bit out-of-date now, but he tends to have a pretty Mustachian philosophy, and it's great from an inspirational/philosophical perspective.

The forum I've participated in the past is http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php/47-Touring

I was an Adventure Cycling member and have used their maps from time to time, though generally I plan my own routes.

You can read my touring journals at http://www.gregie.com/neil/adventures/index.htm

And a few of my photos for inspiration (the first is the best $10 hotel room you could ever have!):



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Re: Bike around America
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 10:35:17 AM »
The touring geometry is a little more relaxed for the rider, but if you'd be spending hours and hours and hours on the bike every week I don't know if that would do you any good.
Now I know. Apparently it does do you good, who knew?

To be clear, we're both talking about road bikes here.
Besides things like rack mount points, the differences between fitness/racing bikes and touring bikes are in the bike's geometry, like the vertical distance between the bars and the seat or the angle of the head tube.

My first advice would be to try out something smaller, perhaps while you're still working, to see if you actually *like* long-distance (solo?) bike touring.  Most people who dream about it do end up loving it as much as they thought they would, but some don't.  Better to find out sooner than after 3+ years of dreaming and planning.  :-)
That's a great point I hadn't thought to mention. Skinnyneo, have you ridden tours before? You should do some short bike tours to see if you like them as much as you think you will.

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Re: Bike around America
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 11:28:22 AM »
To be clear, we're both talking about road bikes here.
Besides things like rack mount points, the differences between fitness/racing bikes and touring bikes are in the bike's geometry, like the vertical distance between the bars and the seat or the angle of the head tube.

Other differences include that touring bike frames tend to be stronger, and they have lower gears. 
Also, it has a frame that can accommodate wider 700Cx35 or 38 tires, which gives you the low rolling resistance of road tires, with the traction and bump absorption of fat tires.  Regular road wheels will transmit too much vibration and be fatiguing (assuming they don't just break from the weight), but most 26" wheels add a lot of resistance.

I rode my 1978(?) steel Univega Grand Tourismo touring bike from SF down the coast of CA through Baja Mexico, took a ferry to mainland, then rode down the coast of Mexico to Acapulco, then went back northward over the mountains to Mexico City when I was 19.

The original plan was to go all the way through South America, catch a freighter to South Africa, and ride up to Europe. 
This plan was derailed when two of my 3 riding partners decided to get divorced after it was revealed that one of them had developed feelings for the 3rd one!!

This still left me with a 2 month, ~3000 mile bicycle tour - the last 3rd of which I did solo.

We did more camping than hotels.  I carried tent, sleeping bag, therma-rest, camp stove and gas bottle, bike tools, spare tire, spare tubes, lots of extra water, shoes for off the bike (cleated clipless for riding) and of course clothes and junk; it all came to almost 70lbs of gear on my 30lb bike.  The grand total was nearly as much as I weighed back then.

And you know what I learned?
Its actually really, really easy.  You just do it. 
The only real problem is being able to afford taking weeks or months or years off of work (in my case, I was designated as trip mechanic and translator, and was fully paid for).
The only problem I encountered was language (I failed in my translator duties.)

More specific tips though:

-if you use panniers (and I'm on that side of the debate, why have all the extra weight of a trailer if you can avoid it?), load the front at least as much, if not more than, the rear.  It seems counter-intuitive, but a loaded touring bike handles better with the weight up front.

-make sure either bags are waterproof, or put everything inside garbage bags inside them.

-start your shower each day with your clothes on, then take them off in the shower and stamp them clean, and tie them to the rack the next day to air dry.  That way you can just cycle the same two sets of clothing indefinitely

-have a big handlebar bag with lots of pockets and a map holder so you can grab stuff without having to stop.  Touring is not like commuting or a pleasure ride; its more like being a trucker, you're just moving all day, so you want everything you might want accessible from the drivers seat - food, phone, glasses, jacket, map, mp3 player, whatever

-try to use bike and components that are common and universal.  Hydraulic disk brakes might be powerful and work in bad conditions, but when something breaks the closest thing to a bike shop in town is WalMart, you're going to wish you had standard brakes. 

-try to find ridiculously low gears.  Possibly even approaching a 1:1 low gear.  Riding at 5mph uphill into a headwind still beats walking up it at 3mph.

-give yourself at least a 20% margin of error when planning your route and miles covered each day. 
Nothing sucks more than getting delayed and ending up riding on a cracked hub with no rear brake in a thunderstorm at 9pm, still 15 miles away from the nearest town or campgrounds, because you assumed you could ride 110 miles in one day just because you had been the past few days and you didn't count on one giant pothole that would crack the rear wheel.  This matters less if you are staying near civilization at all times, but going around the US will probably put you through some pretty isolated stretches.

-most important of all: if you go with anyone else, you better be absolutely sure you can stand them 24/7; even when you are both tired and stinky and hungry and wet, and some unexpected problem comes up and you both have different ideas of how to handle it.  If you go with more than one other person, also that they can stand each other in that circumstance.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 07:51:59 AM »
Excellent advice on touring bikes above.  I second skyrefuge wholeheartedly.  Bakari has good advice too, best of all this: "Its actually really, really easy.  You just do it."

I'm surprised to see that nobody has yet mentioned http://www.crazyguyonabike.com, a conglomeration of touring blogs.  It's a great place to get inspiration, riding tips, horror stories, route ideas, riding companions, deals on gear, and a million more things.  I probably read a hundred tour journals there before going on my first tour and it was, for the most part, time very well spent.

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 12:44:19 PM »
Great thread!  This is something I definitely want to do either with MMM or the whole family at some point in the future.  I've always wondered why folks don't pull a lightweight trailer behind their bikes when touring... what exactly is the controversy about?  It seems like it would be a great option.

Great pictures skyrefuge! 

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 01:04:44 PM »
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I've always wondered why folks don't pull a lightweight trailer behind their bikes when touring... what exactly is the controversy about?  It seems like it would be a great option.

I've ridden tours with panniers and with a BOB trailer, and I vastly prefer panniers.  My problems with the BOB are that it requires you to carry more gear (extra tube and tire, which are a different size than your bicycle tube/tires; extra pins/mounting hardware if you're going to be somewhere remote, perhaps an extra pump if your valve types don't match, etc), and also encourages you to carry more gear than you need.  It's kind of like having a big living space; you find stuff to fill it.  Unlike having a big living space, you then have to haul it up every hill.  More disciplined folks, or folks riding with others who have adequate cargo space, probably wouldn't have this particular problem.

I also worried about visibility of the trailer when riding in the dark (night riding, tunnels) - even with rear lights on the trailer and a high-visibility bag inside it, it would be easy for a motorist not to see it and hit it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 02:27:50 PM »
Excellent post Bakari, I'm wholly in agreement with all your points/suggestions.  Hopefully the soap-opera drama of your tour has since taken on some of the entertainment value that it has for uninvolved observers like us!  The one tip that was new to me was the showering/clothes-washing method.  I tend to usually do sink or laundromat laundry whenever available/necessary, and just don't worry about it in between (I've gone 10 days between showers wearing the same clothes, by which point I don't stink *that* badly, but my clothes are nearly cardboard!)

I'm surprised to see that nobody has yet mentioned http://www.crazyguyonabike.com, a conglomeration of touring blogs.

Yeah, I just didn't want to create link-overload.  And since I have one of my journals hosted there, I figured there was a chance the OP could stumble across it anyway.  :-)  Also, it can be a bit overwhelming for a total newb just looking for a more concise "how to".  But yeah, once you have the basics down, and have plenty of time to burn getting engrossed in the epic stories, or are stuck in the office and want to fantasize about your next tour, definitely dive in!

Great thread!  This is something I definitely want to do either with MMM or the whole family at some point in the future.

Awesome!  If you feel like getting engrossed in one of those epic stories, you could check out http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1&doc_id=1495&v=1lw  It's a family with two 8-year-old twins that spent a year riding across the US and Mexico (then later on they did Alaska to Argentina).  A trip like that may be a bit more than you're interested in biting off in the immediate future, but who knows, it took only 7 months for you to go from an MMM-Challenge sending you on your first-ever grocery-trailer trip to now wanting to head off long-distance and considering some of the rough details (how cool is that?), so it wouldn't be totally shocking if you were in the market for one of those adult+kid tandem bikes in a year's time.  :-)

I feel that biking family has some kinship with the MMM family too; when they started getting more "famous" it was interesting to see all the Complainypantses coming out and telling them what a horrible thing they were doing to their children, when in reality it was obvious that their children are pretty fucking awesome, which is what you'd expect when they spend all that time with their loving parents getting an education far more real and valuable than any elementary classroom.

Anyhow, yomimono covered the trailer downsides pretty well, but then panniers have downsides too: more wind-resistance, less space (usually), harder to convert your bike from loaded to unloaded, among probably a bunch of other downsides I would know if I was actually anti-pannier!  There are enough tradeoffs that one has failed to become a clear victor over the other, so the war rages on!  I use panniers, and have done a couple of tours with a friend with a trailer, and since we aren't particularly religious, there are times when we both wished we had what the other guy had.

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 06:11:33 PM »
Excellent post Bakari, I'm wholly in agreement with all your points/suggestions.  Hopefully the soap-opera drama of your tour has since taken on some of the entertainment value that it has for uninvolved observers like us! 

Oh, it was very interesting at the time too.  The 3 of them had their drama.  I was just there to watch it all happen.  And how many 19 year old kids get to say they got to spend a night in bed with a woman 15 years his senior who used to be his boss, not to mention his college professor's wife?
I'm guessing not many! ;)
Good times...

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 06:14:40 PM »
A trip like that may be a bit more than you're interested in biting off in the immediate future, but who knows, it took only 7 months for you to go from an MMM-Challenge sending you on your first-ever grocery-trailer trip to now wanting to head off long-distance and considering some of the rough details (how cool is that?), so it wouldn't be totally shocking if you were in the market for one of those adult+kid tandem bikes in a year's time.  :-)

Haha!  You have a good point there.  :)  The reality is that MMM does all the grocery shopping, so it's more that I finally went out and did the groceries (with a bike).

That web site looks great!  It's mind-boggling to me that people would criticize them for that.

I've been thinking of a long distance biking trip for a long time, but recently started considering one with our son.  I thought 8 might be a little young, but I guess not!

Thanks for all the info... I might need to seriously start thinking about this.  We'll probably start with a short trip to a campground first though.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 06:16:16 PM »
Bakari - great advice!  I need to save this info somehow for the distant future...

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2012, 10:02:53 PM »
That's a great point I hadn't thought to mention. Skinnyneo, have you ridden tours before? You should do some short bike tours to see if you like them as much as you think you will.

To this point I would say I'm an amateur.  For three years I rode my bike to and from work which was about a 6k round trip.  I really enjoyed this time on a bike not only for health reasons but I lived in rural Japan and the view amazed me up until the day I moved.  My longest ride so far was a 40k roundtrip ride plus a 6k mountain hike.  Needless to say I was in the need of a beer and relaxing afterwards but I really enjoyed it.

I now live in the city which in Japan means urban jungle.  It is still very bike friendly it's just difficult to find your way some times.  I plan on biking to work for a month in September which will be a 22k ride round trip every weekday.  I'm hoping this will give me a real idea about what it will mean to bike on a consistent basis.

@skyrefuge

Thanks so much for all that great information! I'll definitely be checking out your website and the links you posted.

@Bakari

Thank you as well!  Wow that sounds like a great adventure!  Getting paid to go on the tour would probably be the greatest thing next to just doing the adventure itself!  I personally could do without the drama.  I have a friend who has expressed interesting in coming with me but I don't know how we would be on the road after a few weeks.  I'm a very laid back, let's celebrate every bodies victories and learn from every bodies defeats kind of guy where as he is a competitive "look at my victories and haha at your defeats."  Sounds like I already know what to do.

As far as cargo goes I ran across these Cacoon sleeping bags, and tents http://www.cocoon.at/eng/show.php?doc=frameset&page=home.  They looked really light weight and hopefully sturdy but does anybody have any experience with them.  It looks like they would be great for things even outside of a trip.

More questions:
How did you plan your route?
What season do you recommend?
What are the safety concerns you ran into (not just on the road but off of it or at night)?



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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 01:45:07 AM »
My addition: get some bullet proof tyres. I'm very fond of the Maxxis Refuse tyres. Even after I'd worn mine down to the belt, I still managed to squeeze another 4 months of daily 20km commutes out of them.

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 08:36:54 AM »
My longest ride so far was a 40k roundtrip ride plus a 6k mountain hike.  Needless to say I was in the need of a beer and relaxing afterwards but I really enjoyed it.

Sounds like a mini-version of a good day of bike touring...

I'm a very laid back, let's celebrate every bodies victories and learn from every bodies defeats kind of guy

...and it sounds like you have an attitude compatible with bike touring (though yeah, probably not so compatible with your friend).

As far as cargo goes I ran across these Cacoon sleeping bags, and tents http://www.cocoon.at/eng/show.php?doc=frameset&page=home.  They looked really light weight and hopefully sturdy but does anybody have any experience with them.  It looks like they would be great for things even outside of a trip.

Hmm, I couldn't find any sleeping bags or tents at that site.  Their sleeping bag *liners* might be nice, but you'll need a real sleeping bag first.  Since it will be difficult for you to do your whole trip in fully "summer" conditions, I'd say you want a bag rated down to 20F or 30F (random example).  And a sleeping pad (random example). And then a 3-season tent, and for a longer trip like this I'd recommend a 2-man tent, which is really just big enough for one person plus some gear and room to move around a bit (random example)

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How did you plan your route?

I'm an extreme planner, so I figure out where I want to go, where I want to stop along that route, and then use mapping software to plot it out.  I use DeLorme's TopoUSA software, but these days you can plot your own route pretty well using just Google Maps/Google Earth (especially now that Google Earth can show elevation profiles).  On earlier trips I've taken a netbook PC with me containing my routes (and the ability to adjust them), though on my last trip I made do with just a smartphone.  But I'm pretty extreme with all of that.  It's more common for people just follow Adventure Cycling's pre-planned routes and buy their paper maps, or to just wing it, having a general direction/destination in mind but plotting it out as they go.  In many parts of the country (like most of the western half) there aren't a lot of different routes to take from place to place; the decisions have often been made for you by the road-builders. 

http://tsteven4.qwestoffice.net/maps/ACARoutes.html shows all of the routes Adventure Cycling has created and determined are good for bicycling, which might be enough to cover all the areas you're interested in except trans-Canada.  You can buy the paper versions of their maps which also contain all sorts of info about places along those routes to camp, get food, etc.

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What season do you recommend?

If you intend to do a full circumnavigation, it won't be a single season.  6 months would be an average duration for a trip like that, and many people could spend a year doing it, particularly if they took a lot of detours and spent days/weeks off the bike exploring or with family/friends.  Beyond that, be south when it's cold and north when it's warm.  :-)  For a 6 month trip, maybe start in San Diego in March, head east across the southern US before it gets too hot, go up the east coast, then west across Canada during the peak of summer, cross over the Rockies before the fall snows/cold come, and then down the west coast.

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What are the safety concerns you ran into (not just on the road but off of it or at night)?

There's really very little to be concerned about.

For riding, I always find it funny how that's often peoples' first concern when they find out what I'm doing: "it must be dangerous out there on the roads!"  In reality, my everyday suburban commute to work is far more dangerous (and that's not even dangerous itself).  People out in non-urban areas (which is the vast majority of what you ride through) tend to be much better/more courteous drivers.

For personal/property security, that's also nothing to be particularly worried about.  Random ax-murderers don't actually exist, and the vast majority of people in the world are good and normal and don't want to hurt you.  I only take a light cable lock with me, and rarely use it.  Most criminals don't see much value in a weird-looking bike loaded down with a ton of baggage filled with smelly clothes.  Though I do keep all my actual valuables (money, phone/computer, camera, etc.) in my handlebar bag that comes with me whenever I'm away from the bike.

The worst stuff I've had to deal with is dogs chasing me when riding, but that's only an issue in a small part of the country (the Appalachian southeast)
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 04:54:34 AM »
Everything said above is completely true (I'm too lazy to actually read it to be honest)

I'm actually on a bike tour right now in southern Australia. It's about the easiest thing you can possibly do in your life. I find it to be very low stress, in fact the lowest stressed way to travel in general. No rush to do anything, no real timeframe at all, just approximate ideas at best.

Best part is being able to eat piles of food everyday without getting fat.

Worst part is packing everyday. Or the rain. The cold is not a big issue.

Build the best bike you want to afford. A cheaper touring bike will go a heck of a long way. An expensive touring bike will be able to go forever (longer than most cars in fact)  It's up to you to decided if you will ride long enough to need a $$$ bike.

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 01:23:23 PM »
I have done two bike tours in the past. One across the state of Oregon(one week) with a friend and another supported tour across Turkey(two and a half weeks). I really enjoy traveling by bike and hope to do more in the future.

One thing about longer tours is that you will actually wear out or break bike components(tires, chain, crankshaft, etc) so be prepared to replace them and as mentioned above if you have very unique components you might actually want to carry them with you.

I have a trek 520 touring bike and you definitely need to make sure you bike can handle the load you are looking at putting on it.

Enjoy the biking!

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 08:19:03 PM »
Lots of great comments, but I'm surprised that no one touched on this essential and happily, very mustachian skill. Not only must you have quality components on that touring bike that fits you like a glove, you must learn how to do more than fix a flat. Most common bike repairs require just a few specialized tools and a bit of know-how. Find a gearhead and work with him until you can replace spokes, true a rim, lube/shorten/repair a chain, adjust a derailleur, replace a snapped brake or gear cable, adjust the brakes, etc. Those are a few of the things that will bite you in the sore ass on a long road trip. With a heavy load and rough roads, these things will happen. Now's the time to learn these skills so you're set when it comes time to hit the road. Believe me, it will boost your confidence exponentially.

When I was preparing for my first road trip, I took all my business to the same independent bike shop. I asked tons of questions and told them all about my plans. Pretty soon they were designing and riding training runs with me. Before I left, I had virtually free reign of the repair shop and was fairly fluent in bike repair. I think they loved knowing what happened to all the stuff after it went out the door of their shop. When I had breakdowns along the way, I sent them a thousand mental messages of gratitude as I completed my own repairs.

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 11:43:23 PM »
Lots of great comments, but I'm surprised that no one touched on this essential and happily, very mustachian skill. Not only must you have quality components on that touring bike that fits you like a glove, you must learn how to do more than fix a flat. Most common bike repairs require just a few specialized tools and a bit of know-how. Find a gearhead and work with him until you can replace spokes, true a rim, lube/shorten/repair a chain, adjust a derailleur, replace a snapped brake or gear cable, adjust the brakes, etc. Those are a few of the things that will bite you in the sore ass on a long road trip. With a heavy load and rough roads, these things will happen. Now's the time to learn these skills so you're set when it comes time to hit the road. Believe me, it will boost your confidence exponentially.

When I was preparing for my first road trip, I took all my business to the same independent bike shop. I asked tons of questions and told them all about my plans. Pretty soon they were designing and riding training runs with me. Before I left, I had virtually free reign of the repair shop and was fairly fluent in bike repair. I think they loved knowing what happened to all the stuff after it went out the door of their shop. When I had breakdowns along the way, I sent them a thousand mental messages of gratitude as I completed my own repairs.

Great comment Diane!  I was wondering about this myself.  I can fix a flat now but truing a wheel or replacing spokes is beyond my comprehension.  I'll have to make sure to try and get some bike buff friends and break some stuff to get experience.

What about bike brands?  I know there are a lot out there and that everybody might have their own idea of what is the way to go.  I know some friends back in the USA who work for Kona.  I'm sure they will tell me Kona is the cats pajamas but what I'd like to get some unbiased feed back on what people have ridden and do ride for long cross country treks.

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2012, 06:27:49 PM »
I think there are more high quality brands of bikes than there are crappy ones, so naming a list of options would be... next to impossible, when you consider how many small builders there are.

If its touring specific, I'd say there is a very good chance it is suitable for touring.
I've rode with people who successfully toured on everything from aluminum road racing bikes to cheap mountain bikes to folders, but if you have a choice, pick any bike designed specifically for loaded touring.

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 12:21:42 AM »
I second Bakari's comment. I do not love researching minutae. My strategy is to seek out an expert. My cousin is the kind of gearhead who can build a bike from the ground up. He recommended a touring bike made by Performance that was reasonably priced. I bought it. Done. Let the training begin in earnest.

On the extended trip, my bike was the most badass of the group. One person had a fancy road bike. On a day that involved a fair amount of dirt road, she had SEVENTEEN flats. I may have had one. My bike was built to handle the weight of the rider plus a full load of gear, had great gear ratios and was rock steady in all terrains. Get a bike that is designed for the job you will give it. Don't worry, if you get the hang of this riding thing, you're going to end up with more than one anyway, as one size does not fit all.

BTW - the seventeen flats - real number. I was so good at changing tires and we were well matched riding partners, so the two of us got it done in half the time. Can you say patch kit? Love the smell of epoxy in the morning!

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 08:09:13 PM »
What about bike brands?  I know there are a lot out there and that everybody might have their own idea of what is the way to go.  I know some friends back in the USA who work for Kona.  I'm sure they will tell me Kona is the cats pajamas but what I'd like to get some unbiased feed back on what people have ridden and do ride for long cross country treks.

Like the others said, brand isn't really a big deal.  There are a good number of choices out there now in bikes specifically designed for fully-loaded touring, and there really aren't any "bad ones".  I didn't even know that Kona made a touring bike, but they do, and it looks plenty good.  The only downside for me would be that I would still like the gearing to be a little lower, but it's not the worst in the class.  I also prefer STI shifters over the bar-end shifters the Kona has, but most tourers disagree with me.  On the other hand, a lot of people would disagree with the disc brakes on the Kona, but like the STI shifters, I think that's a "new" technology that's mature enough to not be the reliability risk most are concerned with.  And you get fenders and racks included.  If you truly want to be overwhelmed by data, here's a spreadsheet containing details on all the 2011 touring bikes available:

http://rapidshare.com/files/449558193/touring-bikes-2011_v1.2.xls

On the whole, bikes are pretty simple and I learned all my maintenance/repair/modification skills just by doing, along with reading stuff on the Internet for things that didn't seem obvious.  Though it did surely help that when I got a touring bike, I changed almost everything on it, and that essentially forced me to learn what I might not have picked up otherwise.

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2012, 09:55:52 AM »
Re STI, disk brakes, and other newer fancy equipment, the biggest factor is where you are touring.
If its 100% in the US, you shouldn't have any trouble finding replacement parts when something breaks.  If you may want to venture through 3rd world countries, you want everything simple and reliable, which you can fix yourself, and which you can replace easily if need be.  STI has a lot of tiny springs and gears inside.

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2012, 03:16:00 PM »
Lots of good advice here already.


I just want to add - why wait?  Sure you might not be able to do the whole thing, but as was mentioned, start now.  Get a bike and gear and start doing overnight trips around Japan.  Even if you only ride for 20-60 miles or something, get out and do it!  A "shakedown tour" will help you figure out what works and what doesn't, and it's a ton of fun.  I got my start in bike touring from doing one night trips north of San Francisco.  Those trips helped me get the bug so to speak, and I haven't looked back!  I've since done longer tours, the longest of which was 40 days. 

Many people plan these huge epic trips without realizing that you can get started RIGHT NOW, you don't have to wait until you can get months off work (or retire) until you get out and start having fun biking and camping.

Oh, and Mrs. MMM, for inspiration i will point you here: http://alandonnalewis.blogspot.com/
A husband and wife that I met touring with their 9-year-old son across country, they were amazing.

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2012, 06:53:24 PM »
Good point.  Me and my riding partners started out just doing annual 4 day trips down the coast on Spring break.  One year we just kept on going.

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2012, 08:21:23 PM »
I just want to add - why wait? 

This is a good point.  I guess I'm set in a routine and not ready to break it.  I have a train pass for work that expires at the end of August.  After that I was thinking of starting to ride my bike to work every day (about 11k) to get back into a biking routine.  My current bike however is only good for short trips like this and I couldn't take it on long 20-60 mile bike rides.  I need to bite the bullet and find myself a good touring bike for anything serious.  I was going to wait until October when I get my transportation expense (this is supposed to pay for my train pass) but if I keep waiting and waiting I guess it will never happen.

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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 07:36:11 PM »
Any bike you have is a good bike to start training on.

Just a heads up, it can be cheaper in the long run to just build a bike from the ground up vs buying a pre- packaged bike. More often than not you'll want to change a number of parts on a pre packaged bike to increase comfort and tailor it to you needs. The problem is you don't exactly know your needs until you ride the bike for awhile, so its a bit of guess work involved.

I consider these next 3 notes the holy triangle of cycle touring and are absolutes.

- Buy touring rated tires. They are heavier, slow and somewhat more expensive. You'll love not having to repair tires all the time.
- Racks: Tubus.
- Saddle: Brooks. Well worth the 1000 km break in period and high initial cost.

And whatever you do, have fun :)

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2012, 07:34:27 AM »
Just a heads up, it can be cheaper in the long run to just build a bike from the ground up vs buying a pre- packaged bike. More often than not you'll want to change a number of parts on a pre packaged bike to increase comfort and tailor it to you needs. The problem is you don't exactly know your needs until you ride the bike for awhile, so its a bit of guess work involved.
That may be true with a name-brand bike. Taiwanese off-brand bikes (like the Nashbar brand or anything from Bikesdirect) don't seem to follow that rule, in my experience. My bike was $675 new on sale ($775 list) and had about $750 in the drivetrain alone, not to mention a couple parts (OEM-only wheels and cranks) available to the bike manufacturer for cheaper than I could buy their retail equivalents. I'd have to buy a really, really, really expensive saddle and set of wheels to make those costs back, even before you count the partial assembly, the compatibility testing, and the odds and ends like pedals, reflectors, and bar tape that were thrown in.
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Buy touring rated tires. They are heavier, slow and somewhat more expensive. You'll love not having to repair tires all the time.
Amen to this. The bike community has this totally inexplicable love affair with buying slightly lighter things, and there's this pervasive myth that wheel weight somehow magically matters more than any other kind of weight (like belly weight) because the wheels spin. Your tour will use 0.3% less power if you use magical ultra light racy tires, but it would cost you about sixty thousand more flats. Some people also swear by spoke tape, which keeps your spokes from poking and popping your tubes.

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2012, 03:37:47 PM »
Hi guys!

Well I finally did it.  I took the dive and I am now the new owner of a Kona Jake the Snake.  I got a sweet deal on a new 2012 and I am very excited!  I am actually putting it together myself and somewhat surprised how easy it is.  I still need to get a torque wrench to get everything to spec but I think it's going to be very sweet.

One thing I wasn't expecting, no pedals!  Yeah, I have the whole thing pretty much put together and discover it didn't come with pedals.  Now I get the reason why but as newbie what kind of pedals do mustachians recommend?  I don't think I want the clip shoe type just normal jump on them and go.  I'll be using this bike 70% of the time for going back and forth to work (about 14 miles a day round trip) and 30% for touring.  Any suggestions for this bike newb? 

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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2012, 03:42:28 PM »
what kind of pedals do mustachians recommend?

For now, I'd say wander down to your local bike co-op and buy whatever $5 pair of crappy plastic pedals they have on hand.  Give them a month before you decide on anything else. 

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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2012, 10:56:57 PM »
So, I got me some pedals!  Thanks to Sol for recommending just getting something.  But, now I'm running into another problem. 

I am building the bike up myself and in the owners manual there is a list of recommended torque for greased bolts.  I want to make sure I have the whole bike put together properly but my problem is I don't know what half of the points are referring to.  For example what's a "Road STI Clamp-Bolt?"  Or a "FD Cable Bolt?"  Is there by chance a reference guide for what these mean?  I've checked Kona's website and tried googling for images but so far no such luck.

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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2012, 02:19:20 AM »
STI - Shimano Total Integration
Just a fancy way to say combined shift / brake levers
The bolt is on the side, under the rubber boot, either a 4 or 5mm hex, iirc

FD - front derailleur
I'm guessing they mean the bolt that holds the cable in place on the derailleur itself.

None of these bolts actually need to be tightened to a torque spec.
Just tighten until its snug, and the part doesn't slip (actually, for the levers, they should be able to slip just a little if you put a whole bunch of force on them). 

If the bolt strips, you went too far ;)