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Live with your trash for the month of August!
« on: August 01, 2017, 01:39:39 PM »
Hi all! My husband and I are going to live with our garbage for the next month, instead of throwing it all out. We're doing this to raise our awareness of how much shit we put in the garbage. Part of this will be to work on getting better at NOT putting so much shit in the garbage.

Full disclosure: We have 2 kids in diapers, and we'll throw those out to avoid disease risk. I already know we do 215 diapers a month. With all trash combined, our baseline is filling a half trash can a WEEK! Embarrassing.

(1) Anyone want to do this with us?!

(2) Post your garbage-reduction ideas here! I'm reading Bea Johnson's blog for ideas. If anyone has ideas on reducing food packaging in particular, I'd love to hear them. We're good at not buying new, except when it comes to food, obviously...and food packaging is so hard for us to avoid at our otherwise mustachian grocery stops, Aldi and Costco.

After we get good at this, we'll reduce how much we send off in our recycling bin...
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 02:49:23 PM »
I am 30 days into trying to lead a 0 waste lifestyle. The way I started was to try use up everything we had in the house - eat out the pantry, freezer etc - that was already bought packaging and all so I could not reverse that. I then started looking at my options when I needed to replace something. I have a winco locally that sells in bulk. I also looked at my trash and listed what I was throwing away. I built a worm cage in my garden so that has helped with the food scraps. I noticed the number of teabags I went through - the bags have plastic in it, the box they are in wrapped in plastic - so found a loose tea company and bought a metal teabag - enjoying this - in my mind I am sure but it seems fresher. And you take your tin back and get more tea! No waste.

Winco does not like you to use your own containers so I have learnt to go through self checkout.

What I will say is your eating habits become excellent! Fresh or bulk - my husband is struggling a bit but getting there. I found a local small farm that sells their own honey and eggs - I was tripping over the hens running around when I went to pick up a down fresh eggs nestled in shredded paper in a brown bag. That of course went to my compost.

I decided to make it easier is go plastic free first - recycle all scraps and see what is left so it was not so overwhelming. It is quite a treasure hunt to find food without plastic.

The one I am stuck on is any type of juice my SO will drink! He likes the fake stuff in the plastic containers including Mountain Dew - yuk!

Last week saw 21 items in total between the two trash cans - we did not bother to take it out!

The obvious big advice is cloth diapers!

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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 02:54:16 PM »
Hello from the UK.. we get our bin emptied every 3 weeks... you quickly get used to the smell... :(

To make matters worse in August we only get one collection, plus its warm... you get the idea!

Christmas can also screw up the collection dates plus the bin lorries have started coming at 630am to catch people out who then have to carry a full 6 weeks of rubbish.  You get a fine if you leave your bin out too soon... the country really is going to the dogs.

Recycle (cardboard and glass) is every 2 weeks, no doubt will become every 3 weeks at some point.



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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 08:08:23 AM »
What size bin are you using?  Our garbage bins are not provided by the garbage company and we have gone down to a 32 gallon thanks to cutting down on our trash (less space taken up in the garage and easier to manuver).  Reducing garbage bin size could be the next challenge. :)

One thing I've done to reduce waste is to be borderline militant about reducing junkmail.  Letter from State Farm?  Email and ask to be removed from mailing list.  Bill?  Switch to electronic billing.  Etc.  I'd guess our mail has been reduced by 50% compared to when we moved in 2 months ago just by cutting out bs that was destined for the recycling bin anyways.

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 08:30:25 AM »
I can't do this, if I don't take out the trash I'll get tons of fruit flies. Most of my garbage is just food scraps, but my neighborhood doesn't have compost pick up, and I don't have a backyard. The packaging I do get is mostly recycled, so my trash amounts to a grocery bag every week or so.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 08:42:44 AM »
My trash this summer consists mainly of yard waste. A lot of yard waste. I have, more than once, filled 3 large garbage bins with yard waste. On a side note, I hate old, broken down woodchips. And weeds. Plus 1 bag of my trash and however many (small) bags of litterbox scoopings.

There's also been the large piles of scrap wood (much of it taken by pickers), the water heater (that disappeared within 2 days), nasty carpet remnants, old insulation, and broken decorative pavers (they're shaped like feet).

I divert as much as possible into recycling. If they would start accepting plastic bags and similar, that would cut down on the trash even more.

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 08:45:32 AM »
What size bin are you using?  Our garbage bins are not provided by the garbage company and we have gone down to a 32 gallon thanks to cutting down on our trash (less space taken up in the garage and easier to manuver).  Reducing garbage bin size could be the next challenge. :)

One thing I've done to reduce waste is to be borderline militant about reducing junkmail.  Letter from State Farm?  Email and ask to be removed from mailing list.  Bill?  Switch to electronic billing.  Etc.  I'd guess our mail has been reduced by 50% compared to when we moved in 2 months ago just by cutting out bs that was destined for the recycling bin anyways.

We have 65-gallon bin. Our typical week fills it halfway (2 trash bags).

Thanks for the mail suggestion - I just emailed my first junkmailer to get off their list today!
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 08:54:08 AM »
Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! I'll research local bulk suppliers today. SAfAmBrit, thanks for the bulk shopping tips about self check-out, etc.

Meat packaging in particular is ridiculous. Bringing jars to a deli would be so much better than buying Costco's frozen, individually plastic-wrapped-and-then-boxed cuts of meat. First we do have to eat through what we have in this egregious Costco packaging...

I am ashamed to admit we sold our cloth diapers after our second child was born. We were good with them until our first child turned 1, when keeping up with the de-stinking started taking quite a bit more effort. That decision was made out of sheer laziness and privilege. When I see the 215 diapers/month number, it quickly makes me realize it's not too late to snap up some used cloth diapers and still come out ahead financially (and obviously environmentally). Our youngest still has a good year or more left of wearing diapers.

We have almost zero food waste, and anything we produce in that department goes straight to our compost bin, worm bin, or the city compost, depending on what it is...and then feeds my garden!
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 09:09:15 AM »
I already do this, so will unjoin (delete) later, but wanted to share tips with people who don't yet, re: smells, fruit flies, etc.

Anything smelly/food related: Goes in freezer. I have a compost bucket in there, and everything food goes in there.

Smelly non-f00d garbage, e.g., liner from meat pack, goes in a bag in the freezer.

Recycling - Washed and into recycling bin

Garbage - Ends up being very little. Just the few light non-smelling things left. On collection day, add freezer garbage (not compost) to it and put it out.

This way, my garbage can build for weeks and smell like air, with no pests. This system also saves us from outdoor pests (racoons, etc) as well as saves the bears! :)

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 10:22:12 AM »
I already do this, so will unjoin (delete) later, but wanted to share tips with people who don't yet, re: smells, fruit flies, etc.

Anything smelly/food related: Goes in freezer. I have a compost bucket in there, and everything food goes in there.

Smelly non-f00d garbage, e.g., liner from meat pack, goes in a bag in the freezer.

Recycling - Washed and into recycling bin

Garbage - Ends up being very little. Just the few light non-smelling things left. On collection day, add freezer garbage (not compost) to it and put it out.

This way, my garbage can build for weeks and smell like air, with no pests. This system also saves us from outdoor pests (racoons, etc) as well as saves the bears! :)

How big is your freezer? The idea of putting my garbage in there with my food kinda grosses me out, even if it does freeze away the smells.

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 10:26:30 AM »
Very small :)

I'm a neat freak, crazy about hygiene, and very sensitive to smells.
And this works great!
The key (for me) is that the items are compartmentalized. The compostables are in their own clean bucket. The (extremely little) meat packaging is in its own bag. Nothing is in contact with anything else.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 10:59:51 AM »
I have one in diapers, but since we have her in daycare now, we only put out a trashcan once a month.  I put the diapers into the outside trashcan; it just doesn't go to the curb.

So I guess we do keep our trash for the month.

Recycling goes out weekly though.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 02:38:19 PM »
Update time, now that it's been about a week! Our garbage challenge has had mixed results so far. It isn’t going especially well from the standpoint of reducing garbage output. We filled an entire kitchen garbage bag in the last week. That’s half of what we normally bring out to the curb, but it’s still a lot. In terms of learning and bringing positive changes, however, the challenge is going great! Perhaps predictably, we’ve observed that food packaging and diapers make up almost all the garbage we produced in the last week. That’s actionable information.

Here’s what we’ve settled on to reduce the amount of food packaging coming through our house: We’ll eat through the food we’ve already bought, since it’s too late to undo those purchases. Unfortunately, some of that food is packaged like Russian nesting dolls. For future food purchases, we’ll switch to bulk goods to the greatest extent possible. The Zero Waste Home blog is rife with tips on bulk purchasing with minimal waste, and a little Googling revealed we have bulk purchasing options nearby for dry goods, oils, honey, shampoo, and other grocery items we buy regularly. I haven’t yet researched how switching to bulk goods will impact our grocery spending, but if our spending goes up I’ll think of it as a tax on our decades of shitting on the environment by thoughtlessly producing waste.

Then there are the diapers. At an output of 215 diapers and pull-ups a month for our two kids, I reconsidered getting back into cloth diapers. We used to use cloth, as I mentioned in my first post in this thread, but we sold our supply out of sheer laziness. Previously I assumed it was too late to switch back and still make it out ahead financially. But confronted with a big pile of dirty diapers that, all else equal, will quadruple in size by the end of this month, I felt compelled to do the math on cloth vs. disposables for us at this stage.

It turns out cloth is still better for us even now. Our oldest may drop pull-ups any day now, so let’s assume we’ll go down to 125 diapers a month soon. That many diapers costs us $28.31. If our youngest child wears diapers until age 3, that works out to a total of $425 for all the disposable diapers he’d wear. If he wears diapers longer, obviously the cost goes up even more. Then there’s the cost of trash disposal and the (unpaid by us but still steep) environmental cost.

So I set out to buy a stash of used cloth diapers. Craigslist revealed that this could be done for less than half of what we’d spend on disposables in the next year. This weekend I snagged 24 all-in-one diapers and inserts, plus two wet bags for $155. I hung onto one wet bag from our previous cloth diapering life, which means we’re all set in the wet bag department. The final step was to get cloth-friendly laundry detergent, which I bought at $33 for enough to wash 100 loads—this will last us a year. All of this totals $185. Making this change was a no-brainer.

By the way, a related change I made was to switch from a 65 to 35-gallon trash can. This can is the smallest on the market where I live. It holds two kitchen trash bags, which is still a shitload of trash to produce in a week. That change brought trash hauling costs down from $9.25 a month to $7.25 a month, saving us $24 a year. And I think I could get my neighbors to go in on a small trash can soon if my family can reduce our weekly waste output even further. That step would save us an additional $43 a year. I’d hoped all this reduction in trash output would make a bigger difference financially, but that’s okay. What we’re saving is still a lot of money if you look at it through a Mustachian lens.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 02:41:05 PM by annamal instinct »
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »
Hoorah on forward motion and on returning to cloth!!!! :)))

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2017, 02:45:40 PM »
Hoorah on forward motion and on returning to cloth!!!! :)))

Thanks for the encouragement! :)
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2017, 11:19:23 PM »
Echo congrats on the cloth diapers. So this week has been good - today I did grocery shopping and ended up with 2 bands that were around the leeks, 7 bulk food tags and a paper wrap because they refused to put the deli in my container - at least it was not the plastic bag which I told them I would refuse. I also have a brown bag with shredded paper which housed my eggs. My trash can was less than 1/10th full for 2 weeks  (cant control the rest of my family although they are definitely trying)- so I did some gardening to make it worth my while and put it out today! I unfortunately do not have an option to cut down on my trash can size!

It is strange how good this has made me feel - I make 1 pot Mexican quinoa which calls for tinned tomato, black beans and corn. I showed my family how to used dry beans, chopped up tomato and cooked an ear of corn. 0 waste meal! And I feel like a bad ass!

I got my hands on milk crates so I planted some seed - will let you know how it goes. Tomatoes are done for the season. How can I get rid of my almond milk container?

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2017, 11:39:21 PM »
I found a local small farm that sells their own honey and eggs - I was tripping over the hens running around when I went to pick up a down fresh eggs nestled in shredded paper in a brown bag. That of course went to my compost.

I've posted here before, but you can re-use cardboard egg cartons.

My grandfather gives me eggs, I just take a carton when I visit him.

Also, my fridge has removable plastic egg cartons that sit in the door. They would work, too.

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2017, 11:45:39 PM »
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How can I get rid of my almond milk container?

Where I am, recycling won't pick them up nor will stores receive them, but a recycling drop-off depot will accept them.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2017, 10:39:22 AM »
Echo congrats on the cloth diapers. So this week has been good - today I did grocery shopping and ended up with 2 bands that were around the leeks, 7 bulk food tags and a paper wrap because they refused to put the deli in my container - at least it was not the plastic bag which I told them I would refuse. I also have a brown bag with shredded paper which housed my eggs. My trash can was less than 1/10th full for 2 weeks  (cant control the rest of my family although they are definitely trying)- so I did some gardening to make it worth my while and put it out today! I unfortunately do not have an option to cut down on my trash can size!

It is strange how good this has made me feel - I make 1 pot Mexican quinoa which calls for tinned tomato, black beans and corn. I showed my family how to used dry beans, chopped up tomato and cooked an ear of corn. 0 waste meal! And I feel like a bad ass!

I got my hands on milk crates so I planted some seed - will let you know how it goes. Tomatoes are done for the season. How can I get rid of my almond milk container?

Wow, nice! What's your quinoa recipe? Just a 14-oz. can of each of those with a cup or so of quinoa? Any dressing?
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 12:04:05 AM »
INGREDIENTS:

1 tablespoon olive oil
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 jalapeno, minced
1 cup quinoa
1 cup vegetable broth
1 (15-ounce) can black beans, drained and rinsed
1 (14.5 oz) can fire-roasted diced tomatoes
1 cup corn kernels, frozen, canned or roasted
1 teaspoon chili powder
1/2 teaspoon cumin
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper, to taste
1 avocado, halved, seeded, peeled and diced
Juice of 1 lime
2 tablespoons chopped fresh cilantro leaves
DIRECTIONS:

Heat olive oil in a large skillet over medium high heat. Add garlic and jalapeno, and cook, stirring frequently, until fragrant, about 1 minute.
Stir in quinoa, vegetable broth, beans, tomatoes, corn, chili powder and cumin; season with salt and pepper, to taste. Bring to a boil; cover, reduce heat and simmer until quinoa is cooked through, about 20 minutes. Stir in avocado, lime juice and cilantro.
Serve immediately.

I tend to add onion, peas and green bell pepper

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 04:57:37 PM »
So I just finished reading Garbology, OUR DIRTY LOVE AFFAIR WITH TRASH by Edward Humes and it was a very interesting read. The bit I pulled out for hear is the average american throws away 7.1 lb of garbage a day in 2010. EPA is saying 4.6 lb per person - how is that possible - so much trash!? 

So from this i am getting that my family is throwing away 198.8lb of trash a week?

So we have had a successful week with Trash - I bought my groceries and the only plastic is 2 yogurt containers and my SO's "juice" this week. I will be weighing my trash out of curiosity tomorrow - I will let you know.

I am very proud of my families attempt to do 0 waste - we are at week 6 and I have to remind myself Rome was not built in a day. I was given a free composter - we are picking it up tomorrow and I am pretty excited! And I have found a second hand bread maker for $15.

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2017, 03:11:25 AM »
So I just finished reading Garbology, OUR DIRTY LOVE AFFAIR WITH TRASH by Edward Humes and it was a very interesting read. The bit I pulled out for hear is the average american throws away 7.1 lb of garbage a day in 2010. EPA is saying 4.6 lb per person - how is that possible - so much trash!? 

So from this i am getting that my family is throwing away 198.8lb of trash a week?

So we have had a successful week with Trash - I bought my groceries and the only plastic is 2 yogurt containers and my SO's "juice" this week. I will be weighing my trash out of curiosity tomorrow - I will let you know.

I am very proud of my families attempt to do 0 waste - we are at week 6 and I have to remind myself Rome was not built in a day. I was given a free composter - we are picking it up tomorrow and I am pretty excited! And I have found a second hand bread maker for $15.

I wonder if they are including stuff you don't throw away at home, like paper towels in a public restroom or disposable coffee cups? I don't throw much stuff away at home because of our city recycling program, but I know there is trash I generate at work and at restaurants.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2017, 09:17:22 AM »
SAfAmBrit, thanks for the recipe...and Garbology sounds like a book I'll have to check out!
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2017, 09:53:04 AM »
Having no kids I cannot weigh in on the positives and negatives of cloth diapers or disposable diapers from a parenting standpoint but are you totally considering the environmental impact of cleaning the cloth diapers?

I assume they go into the laundry machine?  Which uses water, soap and electricity.   The electricity might be produced from solar or wind, or it might come from burning oil, coal or even burning wood pellets (which would sort of be funny, since oil and wood is probably where the disposable diapers come from).   The discharge from the laundry machine is definitely black water and would need to be treated by the local sewer facility (if you are not on a septic system, but even that needs to be pumped occasionally).  This uses up electricity, and probably some chemicals for treatment.   The clean water used in the washing process also required electricity and perhaps some chemicals from the city water department.

And then you have to dry the diapers, which uses up more electricity.

It would be a very interesting study to see if it was actually a close call between disposable diapers and washing/drying cloth diapers as far as environmental impact.  I am sure the cloth wins, but maybe not by as much as we think when we calculate in all the costs of cleaning the cloth diapers?

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2017, 10:54:08 AM »
So I just finished reading Garbology, OUR DIRTY LOVE AFFAIR WITH TRASH by Edward Humes and it was a very interesting read. The bit I pulled out for hear is the average american throws away 7.1 lb of garbage a day in 2010. EPA is saying 4.6 lb per person

Looking at the EPA website, it looks like they are averaging 4.4pounds per person including business trash, including schools and hospitals. We all know businesses generate a lot of trash, from restaurants that use styrofoam to hospitals that throw out medical waste.  Also it includes recycling and compost and yard fill that gets picked up, at the rate of 1.51 pounds.  Not sure how they are measuring compost unless there are municipalities that compost for you.  If we think half of the trash is generated at home - 1.5 pounds per person is only 42 pounds per week for a family of four. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »
Well the numbers for the family are in for the week

The total is 8.36 lb for the week - Nearly 2.1 lb per person per week. It is broken down as follows:

Compost - 2.8 lb straight to my composter
Paper -    1.13 lb junk mail
              0 .71 lb other
Plastic -   1.22 lb of which 0.7 was recyclable. (included 6 bread type wrappers, cheese container, event tag milk lids etc)
General - 2.50 (red nose, a sharpie, Siberian husky fur, etc)

Thank-you for everyone comments below. I will keep reading and looking - still aiming for the 0 trash week.

Made my first loaf of bread - very dense but edible!

On the point of cloth diapers - the cost of them never decomposing is a cost that we cannot count. I was fortunate - I could dry my clothes outside and still can. The up front cost my be even but I think the ecological cost of the diapers will be the more costly option.

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2017, 07:30:56 PM »
Having no kids I cannot weigh in on the positives and negatives of cloth diapers or disposable diapers from a parenting standpoint but are you totally considering the environmental impact of cleaning the cloth diapers?

I assume they go into the laundry machine?  Which uses water, soap and electricity.   The electricity might be produced from solar or wind, or it might come from burning oil, coal or even burning wood pellets (which would sort of be funny, since oil and wood is probably where the disposable diapers come from).   The discharge from the laundry machine is definitely black water and would need to be treated by the local sewer facility (if you are not on a septic system, but even that needs to be pumped occasionally).  This uses up electricity, and probably some chemicals for treatment.   The clean water used in the washing process also required electricity and perhaps some chemicals from the city water department.

And then you have to dry the diapers, which uses up more electricity.

It would be a very interesting study to see if it was actually a close call between disposable diapers and washing/drying cloth diapers as far as environmental impact.  I am sure the cloth wins, but maybe not by as much as we think when we calculate in all the costs of cleaning the cloth diapers?

I line dry, so that helps. You do need to wash them, though, yes. Even if they break even with disposables from an environmental perspective, which I seriously doubt, they are less expensive even factoring in the washing.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2017, 07:33:01 PM »
Sfambrit, I admire that you're weighing your output. That's a great idea I'll take up for this coming week!

Dog hair is totally compostable, by the way!
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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2017, 08:42:13 AM »
Does your region have a system for blocking junk/bulk mail? At our post office boxes, if we put a red sticker on the delivery end, no more junk mail. At home, we put a note on the mailslot/box.

Great going on the reductions!!!!

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2017, 02:56:02 PM »
I lived in Japan for 3 years. Japan REALLY makes you aware of how much trash you generate and of what types because there's mandatory recycling. They recycle as much as possible and then everything else is burned. The burn stuff would typically be compostable-type food scraps (many people in Japan don't have space for or access to compost) or dirty hygiene-type things, like diapers and feminine products. It would take my family of 2 literally over a month to fill up a very tiny burnable bag, and usually it would get stinky way before then. What we generated the most of was plastics, because many things in Japan are wrapped in tons of plastic. But all of the plastic was recyclable. They would even accept plastic trays (closest thing - think TV/frozen dinner style plastic trays), styrofoam, and even the thin plastic wrapping that's on products - things that many recycling places in the US don't always take. You just had to clean every single thing before putting it out for recycling!

Japan even had a non-burnables/non-recycleables that they would take. For example, they would take old clothes, old pots/pans, broken coffee machines, etc. Basically anything that was small enough to fit in a trash bag-sized bag (the special marked one for those items though) they would take right outside your house. (Anything larger than that you would have to pay for them to take away to recycle.) I don't know what they did with these things, but it was amazing.

I really miss that now that I'm back in the US. In my area, the only recyclable plastic is bottles and plastic grocery-style bags. Any other type of plastic is not taken. Glass is taken, but not at curbside - you have to take it to the recycling center. Metals that aren't cans? They don't take it. For example, the metal lids from glass jars or the cut-off lid top after you use a can opener on a can or even the metal bottle caps from glass bottled drinks. Those things I could recycle in Japan during the metal recycling day (accepted curbside, like all other trash and recycle). Those things you generally have to throw into the trash in the US.
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2017, 03:26:46 PM »
One of the problems I have with threads like this and the zero waste movement is that it's totally not clear what everyone is considering to be waste... In Germany domestic waste never goes to a landfill ever, which seems to be an important issue for zero-wasters in the US.

I personally call waste the trash that is not going to recycling. We have a 40l bin (a little over ten gallons) that is emptied every two weeks and we fill about a third (two adults, one kid, single family home). 40l is the minimum size we can get on a bi-weekly schedule.

We also have pick up for any sort of plastic, any metal, paper (including packaging) and compost, which makes up the majority of stuff we get rid off. There is an on demand pick up for any larger items or appliances once a year per household. There are containers all over the city for glass, clothes, shoes, batteries, small electronics. Some shops take cork and ink cartridges. The city has a recycling center for other things as well. And there's a good-will store run by the city (no tax deductions, though). Plus there's ebay Kleinanzeigen (the German version of craigslist). Most of the beverages we use are re-usable bottles (they get cleaned and reused, rather than melted), as is some of our yoghurt. All shops accept any extra packing of everything they sell.

Despite all this recycling I don't see how we can possibly be zero waste. For instance, dust and dirt from the household (either collected by vacuuming or manually) is a mixture of all materials, including plastic. It's not compostable, hence it is trash. Craft like sewing produces small amounts of threads, not compostable either. Home repairs result in some trash. Medical treatments or donating blood results in trash. Some of our trash would be avoidable, but we aren't ready yet...

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2017, 05:23:47 PM »
You can still buy "juice" like mountain dew if you buy it in the aluminum can style, which can be recycled.
I have been going to winco as well for bulk but didnt ever think to try out the self checkout, we just try to reuse the plastic bags. When you buy bulk at winco how do you do it through the self checkout?
bulk is typically so much cheaper that you end up saving on your grocery bill, that was my experience. :)

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2017, 07:59:54 PM »
One of the problems I have with threads like this and the zero waste movement is that it's totally not clear what everyone is considering to be waste... In Germany domestic waste never goes to a landfill ever, which seems to be an important issue for zero-wasters in the US.

I personally call waste the trash that is not going to recycling. We have a 40l bin (a little over ten gallons) that is emptied every two weeks and we fill about a third (two adults, one kid, single family home). 40l is the minimum size we can get on a bi-weekly schedule.

We also have pick up for any sort of plastic, any metal, paper (including packaging) and compost, which makes up the majority of stuff we get rid off. There is an on demand pick up for any larger items or appliances once a year per household. There are containers all over the city for glass, clothes, shoes, batteries, small electronics. Some shops take cork and ink cartridges. The city has a recycling center for other things as well. And there's a good-will store run by the city (no tax deductions, though). Plus there's ebay Kleinanzeigen (the German version of craigslist). Most of the beverages we use are re-usable bottles (they get cleaned and reused, rather than melted), as is some of our yoghurt. All shops accept any extra packing of everything they sell.

Despite all this recycling I don't see how we can possibly be zero waste. For instance, dust and dirt from the household (either collected by vacuuming or manually) is a mixture of all materials, including plastic. It's not compostable, hence it is trash. Craft like sewing produces small amounts of threads, not compostable either. Home repairs result in some trash. Medical treatments or donating blood results in trash. Some of our trash would be avoidable, but we aren't ready yet...

I don't get your premise. This thread is about living with my family's waste for a month to become more aware of what we're throwing away and figure out a different way in the future. While I'm using ideas from a person who claims a zero-waste lifestyle, I'm in no way making such claims myself. Not sure what problem you could have with the goal of reducing our previously asinine level of waste.
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2017, 09:04:13 PM »
One of the problems I have with threads like this and the zero waste movement is that it's totally not clear what everyone is considering to be waste... In Germany domestic waste never goes to a landfill ever, which seems to be an important issue for zero-wasters in the US.

I personally call waste the trash that is not going to recycling. We have a 40l bin (a little over ten gallons) that is emptied every two weeks and we fill about a third (two adults, one kid, single family home). 40l is the minimum size we can get on a bi-weekly schedule.

We also have pick up for any sort of plastic, any metal, paper (including packaging) and compost, which makes up the majority of stuff we get rid off. There is an on demand pick up for any larger items or appliances once a year per household. There are containers all over the city for glass, clothes, shoes, batteries, small electronics. Some shops take cork and ink cartridges. The city has a recycling center for other things as well. And there's a good-will store run by the city (no tax deductions, though). Plus there's ebay Kleinanzeigen (the German version of craigslist). Most of the beverages we use are re-usable bottles (they get cleaned and reused, rather than melted), as is some of our yoghurt. All shops accept any extra packing of everything they sell.

Despite all this recycling I don't see how we can possibly be zero waste. For instance, dust and dirt from the household (either collected by vacuuming or manually) is a mixture of all materials, including plastic. It's not compostable, hence it is trash. Craft like sewing produces small amounts of threads, not compostable either. Home repairs result in some trash. Medical treatments or donating blood results in trash. Some of our trash would be avoidable, but we aren't ready yet...

I don't get your premise. This thread is about living with my family's waste for a month to become more aware of what we're throwing away and figure out a different way in the future. While I'm using ideas from a person who claims a zero-waste lifestyle, I'm in no way making such claims myself. Not sure what problem you could have with the goal of reducing our previously asinine level of waste.

I am also a little confused too! This is not a 0 waste thread. Personal challenge I set myself a while ago, I am trying to reduce everything so I can achieve a 0 waste week - but the ultimate goal for me is to generate no plastic trash at least. To get rid of plastic though I am having to be creative. I compost (therefore I generate trash) but it is not going to landfill. I chose to join this thread to make me more aware of what we as a family were sending to landfill. I have been reducing but had never looked closely - hence my weighing and I have diary of exactly what is in that trash - now I can try to improve!

So on the Winco question. I have made cloth bags (from old pillow cases) with tie strings and I fill them up and attach the winco tag with the bin # which I reuse. I also have plastic containers (which I have had to years) and I ask them to put the fish and deli in them and I attach the sticker. It makes for a great conversation.

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2017, 06:49:39 AM »
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So on the Winco question. I have made cloth bags (from old pillow cases) with tie strings and I fill them up and attach the winco tag with the bin # which I reuse. I also have plastic containers (which I have had to years) and I ask them to put the fish and deli in them and I attach the sticker. It makes for a great conversation.

I'm so jealous of those of you with Winco nearby! My bulk options are co-ops, and the one I've checked out so far is set up to compete with Whole Foods, complete with pricing that isn't much lower. I'll be checking out the other nearby co-op this week. I made reusable cloth bags too and have been saving spaghetti sauce jars...so I'm ready to go!
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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2017, 01:46:53 PM »
I don't get your premise. This thread is about living with my family's waste for a month to become more aware of what we're throwing away and figure out a different way in the future. While I'm using ideas from a person who claims a zero-waste lifestyle, I'm in no way making such claims myself. Not sure what problem you could have with the goal of reducing our previously asinine level of waste.

I obviously failed to express correctly what I tried to say... Let me try a different approach. What do you consider to be your family's waste that you want to live with? I thought I understood, but then the reference to zero-waste threw me off, as I found that most zero-waste blogs are rather imprecise in that regard. Do you keep anything you would donate for a month, as that is waste, too (waste = you don't need it), or is it not waste (waste = nobody needs it).

For me I consider anything that can't be recycled, reused or repurposed to be waste. I also attempt to reduce the usage of plastic, which is a separate issue.

Good luck with your attempt to reduce waste! One thing that had a significant impact on non-recyclable waste for us was replacing paper towels with washable cloth. Turned out that it was cheaper, too, even when buying the cheapest store brand of paper towels... 

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Re: Live with your trash for the month of August!
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2017, 01:56:32 PM »
I compost (therefore I generate trash) but it is not going to landfill. I chose to join this thread to make me more aware of what we as a family were sending to landfill. I have been reducing but had never looked closely - hence my weighing and I have diary of exactly what is in that trash - now I can try to improve!

See, that is where I have a problem in understanding... Absolutely nothing that enters my house goes to landfill. That doesn't mean we produce no waste, not even close. But I have no idea what everyone here considers to be the waste they want to be aware of.

Zero-Waste blogs seem to focus on packaging and some products only (at least the ones I read so far). From my own experience I know there is trash you must have in your own at some point (socks beyond repair), yet whenever I see a jar of their familiy's year of trash, none of that is in their, and it's never mentioned. That makes be believe those bloggers have a different understanding of what is trash or omit those details. That potential lack of credibility is where I actually have a problem (not with this thread).
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