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Retire in one year
« on: August 20, 2014, 03:48:36 PM »
I've been debating whether to throw this out there.  I want to retire on July 17th 2015.  Why July 17th?  Some options vesting.

I've always been frugal by nature and have been fortunate in certain things that have happened in my career so I have a pretty good stache.  I would say I've been mediocre at making my money work for me, but was good on the spending side.  That is until 5 years ago when I started going out with my now DW.

Here are the stats:
Net worth (not including equity in primary residence): $2.05 mil
Annual Spending: $108,000 (don't judge, I punch myself in the face regularly)

Major issues preventing retirement:
- Spending. (Obv.)
- Minimal cashflow.  Our investments are mostly just stocks (more ETFs than anything), and one rental (my wife's house).
- Concerns about healthcare costs.
- Other complainy-pants voices in my head.

Plan:
- I don't know that we are that worried about our savings rate since a couple of quick punches to the face and we could retire this afternoon.  That said, assuming the market goes up a bit, one stock in particular, along with our regular savings and we should get over the $2.25 mil mark in a year.  At 4%, that would allow us a withdrawal rate of $90k.  So we need to get our spending down to about $72k/ year.  Why not $90k?  Because of taxes.  Even then, we'll have to look at the income shape to estimate the tax hit.
- To get to $6k/mo or $72k/year, we're taking the following steps:
1) Tracking everything.  I've got about 18 months of data that I've been pouring through.  It ain't pretty.  But, it's also very rough  I'll leave out the specifics for now.  We've now installed Quicken and plan to be pretty diligent about it.
2) Pay off the house.  It's pretty close now.  Doing this will reduce our annual spending by about $15k.
3) Get some cash flow investments.  Potentially another couple of rental units, or other cash flow generators.  I'm going to try a Lending Club experiment.  I've got about 15% of the portfolio in cash or cash equivalents.  Those dollars need to get to work so I don't have to.
4) Get healthy.  There are a couple of things we each want to get cleared up while on the Cadillac insurance policy we have through my employer.
5) Evaluate health insurance costs.  This is a big concern of mine.
6) Cut spending.  We've already started.  I took a whack at our car insurance policies.  I've started bringing my lunch to work.  I am pushing to dump cable, but will be downgrading in the meantime.  Eating out less.  One thing DW wants is a specific budget to work towards.  I've never operated that way, but in conjunction with #1 we're going to give it a shot.  I'm pushing that we ditch the wine club and try to stick to cheap wine during the week, saving the expensive stuff for special occasions.  We've got to get a handle on our Target habit.  We spend $300+ a month on who knows what. 

My hope is that we can get our ducks in a row and our spending down to about the $6k/mo point (not counting mortgage) in the next 6 months so come next July we can decide whether our hedonistic adaptation has taken over and we're cool with that spending level.  My DW is on board, at least in theory, and is probably more willing to take the risk than I am.  She currently is not working and points out that both of us have marketable skills and one or both of us could go back to work in a couple of years if it looks like this isn't going to work out.  I'm less chipper about that.  In a few years, I'll be 50.  Middle manager jobs that pay anywhere near what I make are tough to come by for 50 year olds.  I think if we pull the plug we we need to realize that we won't be able to come back to this income level very easily.  So part of me thinks I should just suck it up and work for another 3-4 years to get a really solid cushion.

So we'll see how it goes.  I may try to make a set of different gauntlets.


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Re: Retire in one year
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 04:08:54 PM »
BobInDenver, I think you'll be surprised about how painless most of the spending cuts will be. 

Our grocery budget was cut by $600/month, but I feel like we always have food in the house now.  I used to frequently feel like we had nothing to eat.  This also curbed our eating out habits.  I lost 3 pounds by eating at home. 

Good luck!

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 08:20:54 PM »
I wish you the best of luck, but you may want to consider a longer track record of frugality before you take the plunge. While it is clear that you want to cut your spending, self-imposed facepunches on an anonymous internet forum won't get you there.

You have a lot of good assets (a helluva lot more than me) but it seems that you should practice for a few years before you make a firm commitment. It takes two people to spend 108k per year, so you'd better make sure your wife is on board too.

Cheers and best wishes.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 08:48:03 PM »
This one is easy.  Most of us have been retiring "in one year" for at least a few years now!

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 10:27:35 PM »
I wish you the best of luck, but you may want to consider a longer track record of frugality before you take the plunge. While it is clear that you want to cut your spending, self-imposed facepunches on an anonymous internet forum won't get you there.

You have a lot of good assets (a helluva lot more than me) but it seems that you should practice for a few years before you make a firm commitment. It takes two people to spend 108k per year, so you'd better make sure your wife is on board too.

Cheers and best wishes.

Good point.  I think a lot of it will depend on how deep we get with cutting spending.  If we're just get down to "barely" making the model work, clearly I don't think we'll pull the trigger.  But, if we get down to say $5k/mo I'd feel pretty good about doing it.  Part of what I'm trying to do is throw the gauntlet on myself to bring some focus to this.  If I don't then the spending will creep up and endlessly push out that retirement date.

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 06:25:00 AM »
Wow!  You are in a great spot.  Personally, I would worry some if there is quite a bit of $ in one stock.

You and your wife need to be on the same page about spending and budget is the key.  Pretend you are retired, in terms of income, and map out your budget figures.  See if you can make it work for the next year.

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 09:33:00 AM »
Wow!  You are in a great spot.  Personally, I would worry some if there is quite a bit of $ in one stock.

You and your wife need to be on the same page about spending and budget is the key.  Pretend you are retired, in terms of income, and map out your budget figures.  See if you can make it work for the next year.

Exactly, that's kind of the plan.  My wife is taking over tracking the spending, which I think will help her understand some of the sillier items ($2k+ on fitness in 2013 for example).  We're also going to create some artificial scarcity by changing the allocation that automatically goes to the checking account.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 03:40:52 PM »
I genuinely love that you have $2MM and you are bringing your lunch to work. That is some awesomeness right there!

On the Target habit, I 100% hear you. I started to get into tracking what I spend on certain items at Target. My bill can get to $50 or $60 fairly fast.

Your DW wants a budget to work toward? Might I suggest the You Need a Budget (aka YNAB) software? If you need to spend more in one category in a given month, then you just take away $$ from another area. The software helps make this a painless process both for moving money around, tracking money, and making sure you stick to your target goal.

Hope this helps!


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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 10:32:44 PM »
Hi! I'm in. My current contract expires June 2015 and I've decided to call it a day then,  yippee! Primarily for personal reasons: SO & I plan to get married late next year and live on a rural farm near both our parents, and I'll finally have time to raise my child who's now 8... SO has been ready to quit for a while and is 100% on board. We're 38 and 40

Our financials are nowhere near as fabulous..

Annual expenses: 20k (excluding student loan payoff)- expected to drop to 12-15k
Currently renting, plan to buy land & build

Current income: 9-10 k /mo take home

Assets:
Retirement: 98k (goal 150k just by continuing to max 403 & 457+ match)
Brokerage: 8k (goal 40k now on auto save )
Cash/CD: 125k @1-5% (plan to gradually move some to the market per comfort level)
Rental home paid off: 200k
New home fund: 8k (goal 50k - from rental income below + bonus/overtime etc)

Total cash + investment assets: 234k (Goal: 315k)
Real estate: 205k (Goal 250k)

Liability: student loan 52k @3% variable - plan to pay off by d-day, am in that gauntlet too!

Current NW: 387k
Goal NW: 565k

Expected retirement income:
Rental: 850/mo ( 8k/yr counting vacancy & upkeep)
Seller finance to family: 600/mo (6k/yr for next 12 yrs) - has been very stable
Plan to not touch investments for now, max draw 5k/yr for contingencies or travel
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Re: Retire in one year
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 12:52:34 PM »
Our financials are nowhere near as fabulous..

Yeah, but your low spending sure is impressive!

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2014, 06:28:31 PM »
This would probably be a great Journal subject!

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 10:52:17 PM »
Good luck Bob!  Keep us updated on his this next year goes as you prepare.

This one is easy.  Most of us have been retiring "in one year" for at least a few years now!

Doesn't that make it harder to accomplish this?  Building up the money is no problem, but actually pulling the trigger is the hardest part for some people.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2014, 04:23:43 PM »
Good luck Bob, I am sure you can pull this off!

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 09:40:10 PM »
Good for you to be considering this and kudos to your wife for being on board! What has helped me cut expenses is to have a good strong vision and focus (e.g., why exactly do I want to be FIRE?). I have concrete specific dreams which helps me stay on track. You could even post pictures or lists to remind yourself of what is ahead. Also, your wife might enjoy Mrs. MMM's post about her transition to Mustachianism.

When tempted to ignore my budget, I think about this (from MMM):
1) A weekly expense (or overspending amount) compounded over ten years, multiply by 752
2) A monthly expense (or overspending amount) compounded over ten years, multiply by 173

Good luck!






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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2014, 10:10:18 AM »
Do you have pension money coming at 50-55? That could make quite a difference.  Is there a lot of work expense that will go away?  If so, you can add that back into your budget.   Any chance you could down size the house?  Big change, but the difference in utilities/taxes/maintainance is huge.  Plus you could end up with more $ to put to work.  Is that $2M 'stache in low fee funds?  If not can you get it there without huge tax issues?  How about the cars, are they efficient?  In my experience it is the "structural expenses" associated with cars, houses, fees that can be axed without too much pain because they are pretty much automatic savings after you take the plunge.  It's the smaller day to day spending items that are a little more painful for me.       

 

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