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MickeyFinn

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FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« on: July 21, 2020, 12:34:02 PM »
Simple challenge, simple focus.
For those of us who have identified a long pole with a clear date that represents your retirement.
Let's move that date forward!

E.g. I'm 50 with simple rules for my back nine :)
1. No new debt, 2. Divert a healthy dedicated amount to retirement accounts, 3. Divert a dedicated amount to daughter's college fund (for next 6 years).
Only three mortgage debt "tent poles" remain with visible amortization schedules online.
When I pay these off I'm giving myself the gift of retirement from my 9 to 5 (I will continue to work on and manage my rentals - the fun job).
06/27 : Rental #1
08/31 : Primary Residence
02/35 : Rental #2 (my latest and last planned acquisition)

My long pole is currently Feb 2035, which is a few months before my 65th birthday.
If I keep paying that one down to the next pole of Aug 2031, I can now retire at 61.
The snowball and avalanche debt methods don't resonate within me as much as tracking my freedom date.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2020, 03:44:14 PM »
I haven't forgotten my goal since the start of my personal challenge 3 months ago.
Since the start I've been aggressively diverting funds to pay-off debt, moved FIRE date 13 months closer since last check-in.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4

Winter months are tough since my rentals are seasonal, but I'm committed to keeping on the offensive. Rock On!

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2020, 06:41:02 AM »
Could you give us an explanation of the "tent pole" analogy you're using here?

MickeyFinn

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2020, 03:37:44 PM »
Louisville,

In my challenge, I'm attempting to pull in my FIRE day. In my case, and I imagine others, there are a number of obstacles to overcome in order to reach that goal.
While those obstacles can be overcome with appropriate financial health which can be simplified as a "FIRE number".
I find tracking a specific FIRE number not compelling, as it's a moving target. E.g. The number I  need to retire at 50 is much different than the number I need at 60 for instance. In addition, tracking to Net Worth fluctuates greatly with the market variances, so personal monthly activities are often eclipsed by factors outside of my control.

I'm labelling all those obstacles, both financial and otherwise, tent poles propping up the tent that is my day job working for "the man". Without going into great detail: there's obligations to children at home, existing mortgages, other debt, healthcare replacement, access to retirement accounts, liquidity of assets, etc.

As an example: In my case, I've been moderately aggressive in taking on more responsibility with greater leverage to generate income vehicles outside of my day job. In this strategy, I've taken on what I consider good debt. As I'm older now and know my self-imposed fiscal responsibility to my child is six more years (I will help her through her first college degree, as my father did for me), I'm now changing my strategy from good leverage to a more conservative debt erasure philosophy.

Regardless of the obstacles each of us has, if they can be identified, we can focus on the longest tent pole that represents our concrete retirement date.

At the start of my challenge (my 50th birthday), I identified the following major tent poles: child responsibility = 6 years, access to retirement accounts = 10 years, healthcare plan replacement = UNK, primary home mortgage amortization = 11 years, Rental "A" mortgage amortization = 7 years, Rental "B" mortgage amortization = 15 years.

To give myself a clear objective, I'm focusing on that Rental "B" mortgage as a representation of my FIRE date. That isn't to the exclusion of maximizing retirement accounts or otherwise, but diverting funds that may otherwise have been spent without a watchful eye.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3


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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2020, 12:06:00 PM »
Another big month down:

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2021, 08:09:40 AM »
Tough month paying Christmas off, managing to bring it in a month:

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2021, 07:40:29 AM »
Another challenging month for diverting funds. Had a major expense hit me and did my taxes so April is going to be brutal.
But I'm challenging myself to always pull my date in at least one month, every month - no matter the pain.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6

MickeyFinn

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2021, 07:10:32 AM »
Another challenging month for diverting funds the tax man is going to put a hurt on me next month.
Painful to put in enough to get another month down. But did it anyway.
Met a big goal - two years closer to retirement since challenge began! Done in 8 months!

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2033   Freedom Age: 62.5
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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2021, 07:50:51 AM »
Could you give us an explanation of the "tent pole" analogy you're using here?

The long pole in the tent is an analogy that's used a lot around my office.  It means the issue that is, or is going to be, the thing that holds up a project.

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2021, 12:02:27 PM »
Managed to pull it in another month.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2033   Freedom Age: 62.5
Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2033   Freedom Age: 62.4

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2021, 06:22:01 AM »
Another month chopped down, finally starting to recover from taxes.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2033   Freedom Age: 62.5
Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2033   Freedom Age: 62.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2032   Freedom Age: 62.3

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 02:07:20 AM »
Another month chopped down, finally starting to recover from taxes.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2033   Freedom Age: 62.5
Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2033   Freedom Age: 62.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2032   Freedom Age: 62.3

If you are managing to move the expected retirement date up by one month, every month, then why not just simply have a goal of 2027?


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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 03:18:20 AM »
Another month chopped down, finally starting to recover from taxes.

Date (MM-YYYY): 07-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2035   Freedom Age: 64.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 08-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2034   Freedom Age: 63.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 09-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2034   Freedom Age: 63.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 10-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2034   Freedom Age: 63.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 11-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2033   Freedom Age: 63.3
Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2020   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2033   Freedom Age: 62.8
Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2033   Freedom Age: 62.7
Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2033   Freedom Age: 62.6
Date (MM-YYYY): 03-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 02-2033   Freedom Age: 62.5
Date (MM-YYYY): 04-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 01-2033   Freedom Age: 62.4
Date (MM-YYYY): 05-2021   Freedom Date (MM-YYYY): 12-2032   Freedom Age: 62.3

If you are managing to move the expected retirement date up by one month, every month, then why not just simply have a goal of 2027?

I am attempting to keep my focus simple by just chopping at the longest tent pole.

To have my goal be a date like 2027, there are more poles with which I would have to contend. The next pole is going to stick out at 2031 - my primary home mortgage. Then I will hit a pole at 2030 - access to my 401k.

That's why I'm less focused on a hard date but rather how much closer I can bring the date in. Every month I want to reel the date in closer to me in a concrete way.

I could say "damn the torpedoes"!
Quit my job, get divorced, sell the real estate, give half to the wife, and move to Panama by the end of the year...
And live out the rest of my days sipping boat drinks... Hmm that doesn't sound half bad :)

But I would like to see my daughter graduate college before i smash the dam.

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Re: FREEDOM date - chop down the long pole in the tent!
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2021, 04:14:38 PM »
Those are great goals.  Looks like you're snowballing down the FI hill! 

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!