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Financial independence or bust
« on: June 23, 2013, 07:21:28 PM »
Hello all, first time poster here (and frankly any online forum). I recently discovered MMM via the FatWallet Finance forum, where I had lurked for years. Up until now, my financial story would be more appropriate in the Antimustachian Wall of Shame and Comedy forum, but having read through many of the postings and seen what is possible through “Badassity”, I want in. 

I’ve chosen to do this now because I’m at a crossroads.  My wife, my son (8 months) and I currently live in the upstairs section of my in-laws house (an unmustachian 4500 sq. ft. monstrosity). Several months ago, we sold our underwater house, which was also in a rapidly declining area and moved in here to save money for a new house.  The thought was that it would be easy to save for a new house and pay off all of our existing debt if we stayed with my wife’s parents for a little while.  However, after several months, our debt remains roughly the same and our savings hasn’t experienced the dramatic increase we were hoping for. 

My wife and I rarely speak about money, until now, so when I told her where we were savings wise her response was, “where is all of our money going?” Unfortunately, I didn’t even know at that point.  It turns out that it’s all the usual stuff I’ve read about here… restaurants, new clothes, gas, etc.  So, despite both of us being well employed and making pretty decent money, we are still in debt with credit cards, student loan and a car payment, and saving less than 10% of our income.  Something clearly has to change.

Tomorrow I start a fantastic new job, and I’m determined not to waste this opportunity to finally get some financial independence.  I’ll be posting my basic financial information below in the next couple of days and updating this post periodically to hold myself accountable for the results.

If anyone has advice or would simply like to say, “good luck”, I’d welcome all.  Otherwise, I’ll be adding more soon.

Thanks for reading…

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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 07:59:18 PM »
Welcome!  I respect your courage in asking for help from the forum members; there are a lot of really smart people here that could help you and your wife develop your financial reason.  I think you and your wife should put together your current budget expenses and debts and post them together.  Not to be too blunt, but somehow you both felt that moving to a different house resolved the financial issues that you don't talk about.  Now is the time to get honest and busy.  Best wishes. 

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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 09:56:39 PM »
Chadillac,

Congrats! A new job and a new outlook, that's just what you need. It's amazing to believe, but with a little willpower--it's enough. Taking it on, no matter how early or late is great. All the best in moving towards FI.


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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 10:37:58 PM »
Generic advice that fits anyone in your shoes.

Step 1) Start tracking your expenses with something.  You're going to need this information, and you (and spouse) need the habit of gathering it.  Find a tool to use to make it easier. 
Deadline:  By 30 June have a system in place to track July.

Step 2) Figure out what the two of you want for your families life...the first step to mapping out a path there.  Spend some time thinking and talking about it. End up with a vision of the ideal life.
Deadline:  By bedtime July 7th.  Gives you a holiday to think and talk. 

Step 3) Take an inventory.  What are all of your liabilities and assets?
Deadline: 30 June

Step 4) Take in sound financial knowledge.
Deadline: You've already started and it never ends. 

OK, do all of that and your ready to start.  ;-)


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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 10:49:44 PM »
Welcome!

One of the biggest things, IMO, is having both partners on board.  If you and your wife read the same MMM articles, and discuss them and what you agree with, disagree with, how it applies to your past selves and what you'd like to change in the future, everything will go so much smoother and be much more likely to be successful.

Start at the beginning of the blog and start going through it; there's some great gems in the archives!

One thing I would consider, if I were you, is the concept of "pay yourself first."  Once you're an Advanced Mustachian it's not needed (my wife and I pay ourselves last, by saving everything we don't spend), but for most people who spend everything they get, immediately putting away 10, 15, or 20% (and eventually 50-70%+) is the best way to go.

Best of luck, glad to have you here!
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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 01:56:27 AM »
Welcome and like it's been said having both partners on board with the program is a large part of the battle.

It takes planning. The cost of convenience is money so you're going to have to consciously plan what to make "less convenient" in order to save more.

I recommend putting 30-40% of your incomes into a separate account for a month and trying to stretch the rest out as a first exercise. Look forward to seeing your numbers.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2013, 08:22:44 PM »
I'm glad you are aware you need to do something and getting the wife involved. I would look into selling the car and finding a used car you can pay cash for. No reason to be paying 7% on a car loan when you have so much other debt.

You are paying $820 a month in INTEREST alone!!! Take action and start slaying this debt.

List out all of your other monthly expenses so we can see what else can be reduced.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2013, 08:32:08 PM »
In once sentence: Live off your wife's salary ONLY. It will suck because you're used to a certain "standard of life", consider this your sin tax for your standard of life while you couldn't afford it.

It takes time but less than you think if you can rewire yourself to this new model. My wife and I are also 31 years old with one child. We're both financially independent with about a million in tangible assets (property, cash) plus whatever our businesses would value at. Probably another 500K for me and a million for her. No debt except what I have in real estate loans. W've never carried CC debt or card debt or spent more than 40K per year between us.
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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2013, 11:27:11 PM »
In once sentence: Live off your wife's salary ONLY.

Awesome goal...

Get there and then keep lowering it...

With low to minimal rent you should be even lower. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2013, 06:03:48 PM »
One thing I found useful when I started being serious about spending a mustachian amount was to look at my closet and shoe collection/jewelry/watches. Just looking at everything and noting how often everything is used, how many of each item I own, the great quality of everything. Then I was able to convince myself that I really didn't need to buy anything new. Everything I had was wonderful. Over the top, really. And if a few things didn't fit well enough anymore, the new biking I was doing would take care of it. And it worked. Biking helped me look better in everything I already owned. And not eating out as much helped too. Cutting back to spending only your wife's earnings only will require you to look at everything you both own like this so that you don't have the urge to go out and buy.

I think it's great that you both are doing this.

Good luck!

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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2013, 10:53:13 PM »
Congrats on the progress so far!

Regarding the storage unit: Do you really need this?

I realize you probably have stuff in there from down-sizing into your inlaws' place, but I would think really hard about whether you'd be better off selling/getting rid of the stuff now and paying down an additional $180 a month in debt. You always have the option of buying stuff off of CL when you've moved back into your own place sometime later.


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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2013, 09:35:23 PM »
Nice progress!

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 10:57:49 AM »
Great work!

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2013, 11:31:10 AM »
Awesome!  You've made some great changes in a brief time!  Keep us updated!

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2013, 11:31:24 AM »
One thing I found useful when I started being serious about spending a mustachian amount was to look at my closet and shoe collection/jewelry/watches. Just looking at everything and noting how often everything is used, how many of each item I own, the great quality of everything. Then I was able to convince myself that I really didn't need to buy anything new. Everything I had was wonderful. Over the top, really. And if a few things didn't fit well enough anymore, the new biking I was doing would take care of it. And it worked. Biking helped me look better in everything I already owned. And not eating out as much helped too. Cutting back to spending only your wife's earnings only will require you to look at everything you both own like this so that you don't have the urge to go out and buy.

I think it's great that you both are doing this.

Good luck!

I like that! Savor what you have.

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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 06:43:38 PM »
Congrats!  That's a huge step!  :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 08:26:15 PM »
Update:

Got paid early this week and paid off the rest of the credit cards. When I told the wife, she said we should go shopping to celebrate, then cracked a wise-ass smile.

Feels pretty damn good!

More to come...

So on June 24, you owed 16K in credit card debt, and today you are paid off? That is truly amazing! You must go to sleep with a giant smile on your face :) Congratulations!

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Re: Financial independence or bust
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2013, 11:08:33 PM »
The progression in his thread was very satisfying to read about! Way to go!!

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 06:03:06 AM »
I love, love, love this thread! Please keep updating -- you and your wife are doing an amazing job!

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2013, 06:38:41 AM »
It's so nice to read about them working as a couple towards shared goals.