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Your 2017 net income tax rate
« on: February 20, 2018, 10:19:42 AM »
Inspired by this discussion from last year, use this thread to share your 2017 tax hit.

Our taxes should have increased in 2017 because our gross income increased by about $5k, but our total obligation actually decreased by $1k! This is mostly because we were able to make use of a 457b for the first time. Numbers below (sales tax is complete guess). We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Gross income: $230k
Taxable income: $98k
Federal tax: $16k
Payroll tax: $15k
State tax: $8k
Property tax: $16k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $60k, or 26% of gross

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 10:56:58 AM »
Single.

Gross income: $116k, AGI: $96k, Taxable income: $86k

Federal tax: $17.0k
Payroll tax:  $  8.5k
State tax:    $  3.3k
Property tax:$  1.0k
Sales tax:    $  1.2k

Total tax: $31k, or 27% of gross

I've never estimated sales tax before, but I'm probably pretty close.  We pay a whopping 9% on all food, which accounts for the largest chunk of mine.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 11:36:52 AM »
Single.

Gross income: $116k, AGI: $96k, Taxable income: $86k

Federal tax: $17.0k
Payroll tax:  $  8.5k
State tax:    $  3.3k
Property tax:$  1.0k
Sales tax:    $  1.2k

Total tax: $31k, or 27% of gross

I've never estimated sales tax before, but I'm probably pretty close.  We pay a whopping 9% on all food, which accounts for the largest chunk of mine.

Your federal tax seems a little high (assuming you're in the US). We paid less than that on a larger taxable income.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 11:54:15 AM »
Your federal tax seems a little high (assuming you're in the US). We paid less than that on a larger taxable income.

Yep.  The joy of the tax tables... $86k/Single is $17,233 tax.  I paid a bit less because some of that was qualified dividends that were taxed at 15%.  $98k/MFJ is $15,984.  Seems super fair that you pay less just by virtue of being married, eh...
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 11:59:04 AM »
Your federal tax seems a little high (assuming you're in the US). We paid less than that on a larger taxable income.

Yep.  The joy of the tax tables... $86k/Single is $17,233 tax.  I paid a bit less because some of that was qualified dividends that were taxed at 15%.  $98k/MFJ is $15,984.  Seems super fair that you pay less just by virtue of being married, eh...

I see. Well that sucks.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 12:38:59 PM »
Your federal tax seems a little high (assuming you're in the US). We paid less than that on a larger taxable income.

Yep.  The joy of the tax tables... $86k/Single is $17,233 tax.  I paid a bit less because some of that was qualified dividends that were taxed at 15%.  $98k/MFJ is $15,984.  Seems super fair that you pay less just by virtue of being married, eh...

Actually yes, it does. The OP has less taxable income per person than you do. Marriage only ends up resulting in lower taxes to the extent that a higher earning spouse can "take" some of the lower tax bracket that a lower earning spouse wouldn't otherwise use. If you married someone who earned a similar amount to you, resulting in the same average per person income, you would actually end up paying a little more tax per person. So basically, two of you single pays less than two of you married.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 12:46:50 PM »
Inspired by this discussion from last year, use this thread to share your 2017 tax hit.

Our taxes should have increased in 2017 because our gross income increased by about $5k, but our total obligation actually decreased by $1k! This is mostly because we were able to make use of a 457b for the first time. Numbers below (sales tax is complete guess). We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Gross income: $230k
Taxable income: $98k
Federal tax: $16k
Payroll tax: $15k
State tax: $8k
Property tax: $16k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $60k, or 26% of gross

Holy crap.  I paid the same federal tax on about half of your gross.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2018, 12:58:35 PM »
Married filing joint. Federal + State + FICA worked out to about 23% of gross income for us.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 01:01:05 PM »
Your federal tax seems a little high (assuming you're in the US). We paid less than that on a larger taxable income.

Yep.  The joy of the tax tables... $86k/Single is $17,233 tax.  I paid a bit less because some of that was qualified dividends that were taxed at 15%.  $98k/MFJ is $15,984.  Seems super fair that you pay less just by virtue of being married, eh...

Actually yes, it does. The OP has less taxable income per person than you do. Marriage only ends up resulting in lower taxes to the extent that a higher earning spouse can "take" some of the lower tax bracket that a lower earning spouse wouldn't otherwise use. If you married someone who earned a similar amount to you, resulting in the same average per person income, you would actually end up paying a little more tax per person. So basically, two of you single pays less than two of you married.

I get it.  Just wish taxes were individual, I think they'd be a lot simpler that way.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 01:07:26 PM »
Inspired by this discussion from last year, use this thread to share your 2017 tax hit.

Our taxes should have increased in 2017 because our gross income increased by about $5k, but our total obligation actually decreased by $1k! This is mostly because we were able to make use of a 457b for the first time. Numbers below (sales tax is complete guess). We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Gross income: $230k
Taxable income: $98k
Federal tax: $16k
Payroll tax: $15k
State tax: $8k
Property tax: $16k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $60k, or 26% of gross

Holy crap.  I paid the same federal tax on about half of your gross.

We can shelter quite a bit of cash through work deferral plans (roughly $80k), have an expensive healthcare plan, high property taxes (though I pre-paid half of our 2018 obligation), and a newish mortgage. It will be interesting to see how the tax law change affects us. We lose a number of deductions, but our rates are also going down.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 04:01:54 PM »
Gross income: $81k (includes some Roth 401k conversions)
Taxable income: $40k
Federal tax: $109 (5 kids provides a lot of tax exemptions and credits, effective federal tax rate of 0.1%)
Payroll tax: $5.7k
State tax: $1.5k
Property tax: $0 (renting, would be around $2,300 if we owned the house)
Sales tax: Don't track but probably only about $1k as food is exempt
Total tax: $7k, or 8.6% of gross; about 10% including sales tax

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 05:04:30 PM »
Single, FIREd, 48.  Haven't done my return yet since I just got my last 1099 today, but preliminary runs suggest that my net federal income tax rate will be 0% or possibly slightly negative due to refundable credits.  May owe a little to the state; haven't checked that yet.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 05:50:35 PM »
MFJ - Federal, FICA, State, and Property combined come to 28.7% of gross.

Gross doesn't count any after tax investment returns that generated some of the dividends and capital gains that were reinvested and taxed. No idea what we pay in sales tax, probably another 0.8-1.0%.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 06:22:07 PM »
Single.  So, H&R block estimates sales tax which it uses as part of your itemized deduction.  Always seems really high to me although living in the city I pay state and city taxes at restaurants. 

That aside, laying out all the taxes I pay like this is pretty shocking.  I'm normally quite happy to be a responsible citizen and pay the taxes I owe but this year I'll admit it pained me some to think about all the money I'm paying towards the military and welfare fraud.

Gross income: $98k
Taxable income: $69k
Federal tax: $13k
Payroll tax: $7k
State tax: $4k
Real Estate tax: $2.4k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $32k, or 32% of gross

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 09:05:43 AM »
...We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Made a little more than that, but the kid deduction had my effective tax rate at 19%.  It's usually lower, but I opted out of my 401k contributions this year for some real estate purchases.

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Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2018, 10:07:05 PM »
I'm normally quite happy to be a responsible citizen and pay the taxes I owe but this year I'll admit it pained me some to think about all the money I'm paying towards the military and welfare fraud.

What a facile argument. That’s not what the government spends its money on. “Welfare fraud” is, by all accounts, nearly negligible (to say nothing of the slippery definition of what is welfare - I’m sure, like all taxpayers, you mean only the specific programs you don’t benefit from, and not all the other entitlements that you do benefit from).

Much of your taxes are going to state and local jurisdictions, which do not operate a military. Even after that, most of your federal taxes go to social security and medicare, interest payments on the national debt and tiny slices towards all of the government’s discretionary spending.

Ignorance has no place in a democracy.
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2018, 10:52:38 AM »
Single, FIREd, 48.  Haven't done my return yet since I just got my last 1099 today, but preliminary runs suggest that my net federal income tax rate will be 0% or possibly slightly negative due to refundable credits.  May owe a little to the state; haven't checked that yet.
Are you me ? ;-). Also FIREd and 0% fed and state.

Haha, we share some similarities! ;-)

I kept my AGI lower than normal this year because I have a junior in high school and I wanted to qualify for auto zero EFC on the FAFSA.  I think that was a good decision, but there are lots of moving parts.

For federal income taxes, line 76a / line 43 = 31%, so a negative 31% effective tax rate, but both lines are relatively small numbers so the rate is misleading.  Most of the refund is due to an ACA credit adjustment which I intentionally overpay.
 On my state income taxes, I have a taxable income of $0 and got most of my grocery tax credit back, so a negative effective tax rate but mathematically it's an undefined rate.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 06:29:22 PM »
Gross Income: $104k (single, standard deduction)
Taxable Income: $82k
Federal Tax: $13.4k
State & Local Tax: $4k
FICA: $7.4k
Total Tax: $24.8k or 23.8%

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2018, 07:16:45 AM »
Due to average income and kids our effective tax rate was actually 0% (not counting sales tax, or indirect taxes such as the portion of our rent that pays property tax).
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 07:20:54 AM by fdhs_runner »

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 04:19:29 PM »
Compared to last year, my tax rate decided to jump into a rocket and go to outer space. I'll give the numbers not including CPP premiums and with, and including transfers and not. This is on a high five digit yearly income.

w/o CPP Premiumsw/ CPP Premiums
w/o Transfers9.8%12.2%
w/ Transfers5.73.3%

I consider 3.3% the 'true' tax rate in my scenario. As comparison, briefing doing the same calculation reveals I paid -5.3% in taxes last year.
I was horrified how high it increased this year. But then I realized I still don't even break the single digits.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2018, 10:19:47 AM »
Gross Income: $104k (single, standard deduction)
Taxable Income: $82k
Federal Tax: $13.4k
State & Local Tax: $4k
FICA: $7.4k
Total Tax: $24.8k or 23.8%

Hmmm, also filing Single with standard deduction and less taxable income but paying a little more federal tax.  Did you have other credits/deductions?  How much of that income is dividends/cap gains vs. W-2 income?

Gross income: $83.9k (AGI from 1040, is this what everyone is using for this number?)
Taxable income: $73.5k
Federal tax: $13.7k
State/Local tax: $4.2k
FICA: $7.2k
Sales tax: ??? - probably not much as I don't buy much
Total: $25.1k / 29.9% of gross


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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2018, 10:31:01 AM »
MFJ, one child

Gross $79,607
AGI $77,786

Fed liability $6,006
FICA $6,382
State liability $1,738
Local liability $1,674

Total $15,779.89 = 19.8%
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2018, 06:27:17 PM »
Gross Income: $104k (single, standard deduction)
Taxable Income: $82k
Federal Tax: $13.4k
State & Local Tax: $4k
FICA: $7.4k
Total Tax: $24.8k or 23.8%

Hmmm, also filing Single with standard deduction and less taxable income but paying a little more federal tax.  Did you have other credits/deductions?  How much of that income is dividends/cap gains vs. W-2 income?

Gross income: $83.9k (AGI from 1040, is this what everyone is using for this number?)
Taxable income: $73.5k
Federal tax: $13.7k
State/Local tax: $4.2k
FICA: $7.2k
Sales tax: ??? - probably not much as I don't buy much
Total: $25.1k / 29.9% of gross

Below are the federal tax numbers from my tracking spreadsheet - it's about $20 off from reality (have no idea where I'm off and am not chasing it down for only $20).

Paycheck:$100,769.36
Short Term Gains:$300
Long Term Gains:$3,100
Other Income:$0
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Gross Income:$104,169.36
Traditional 401K:$18,000
Medical:$565.44
Dental:$264.96
HSA:$2,900
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AGI:$82,438.96
Standard Deduction:$6,350
Personal Exemption:$4,050
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Taxable Income:$72,038.96
Tax Bracket:25%
Cap Gains Tax:$465
Standard Taxable Income:$68,938.96
Income Tax Owed:$12,973.49
Foreign Tax Credit:$71.77
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Taxes Owed:$13,366.72
Effective Tax Rate:12.8%

I think the difference is you reported AGI, whereas I reported gross income.  When I think about my effective tax rate, I'm thinking about optimizing it compared to my gross income - from AGI onward, there's not too much you can do (as a single renter without kids).

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2018, 07:04:50 PM »
HHI MFJ, no dependents ~$250k
Total taxes=$52k
Effective=~21%
AGI=$220k

I think we will save a bundle on taxes this coming year with a new dependent, lower rates, and both of us having access to HSAs. Also, our income will likely drop due to parental leaves.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2018, 06:13:24 AM »
Unusually high profit year for my business, barely crossed into the highest bracket. I will probably have one more like this this year before returning to my usual 25% bracket, or whatever that corresponds to now.

The difference between the AGI and taxable is pretty much the state and local taxes and a $50k contribution to a Donor Advised Fund, phased out of exemptions and some of the Itemized looks like. 

MFJ
AGI $540k
Taxable $478k

Payroll $20k
Federal $132k
State/Local $19k
Real Estate $3k

Total Taxes: $174k  (32%)


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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2018, 06:23:05 AM »
MFJ
net income tax rate 4.4%

looking forward to 2018 with $2k child tax credit :)

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2018, 03:06:55 PM »
MFJ - Only listing Federal Taxes below
Total Tax (Lines 47, 57-62) - 9.87% (AGI), 14.09% (Taxable Income Line 43)
Net after all credits - 0%

Actually got back $1,700 more than what was withheld throughout the year.

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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2018, 11:03:15 AM »
Just filed ours:

Gross: $234k
Fed taxes:$28,704
State: $9,097
Property: $2,834

We had over $35k in deductions and deferred $42k in 401k's.

Effective Fed rate on gross = 12.3%
Effective Fed & State income = 16.1%
Effective Fed, State & Property = 17.4%

We're blue staters whom the GOP targeted in the 2018 tax reform, so next year we lose our SALT deductions, which will likely hurt.  Also, income likely to top $260k, so I'm getting the K-Y ready for next tax season.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2018, 12:16:54 PM »
I think there should be some agreement on this, if we do it every year.
First property taxes, state taxes, and sales tax are so different state to state,
 that we should only include in an adendum.
Tax form line numbers should be included with proper descriptive text.
Just my two cents, but if we are posting, we should all post comparable information.


2017 tax year sucks! Paying 4X more than last year.
Sheepish grin, I'm still paying a low amount.

Line 22--Gross Total income: $107k
Line 37--Adjusted Gross Income
Line 43--Taxable income: $45.5k
Line 44--Tax
Line 56--$3.54k This is Federal tax, after Credits, but is unlabeled.

Total Federal tax: $3.54k, or 3.3% of gross  $107,000/$3.54
Fairly low rate, but last year was 0.87%. This year I lost a kid deduction and tuition cost deduction.
The fun is going to end in 2018, I will lose kid and parent exemptions and tuition cost deductions.
I'm also contemplating doing Roth Conversions that would add to my income.

Addendum

Line 57--Self Employement Tax $7k  we are self employed so we pay both halves.
Line 12--Our actual earned income was $73,500, the rest was dividends.
State tax: $0  No State tax in Fl.
Real Estate tax: $1.3k   Low property taxes
Sales tax: $unknown     Have never had a reason to calculate, but, I think we pay about 8% city and county.
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2018, 02:24:37 PM »
Not 100% final since I've still got a few small numbers to nail down in our business return but close enough to post.

$262.8k : TOTAL INCOME, 1040, line 22
$213.7k : AGI, 1040 line 37
$122.3k : Taxable Income, 1040 line 43.
$22k : Tax, 1040 line 44
$21.4k : 1040 line 56.
$34k : TOTAL TAX 1040 line 63. This includes self employment.

I think comparing to TOTAL INCOME makes the most sense but the numerator is less clear.

12.9% : TOTAL TAX / TOTAL INCOME. This includes loads of Self-Employment Tax
10.5% : (TOTAL TAX - 50% * SE Tax) / TOTAL INCOME. This excludes the 50% of SE tax that a W2 earner never sees b/c the employer pays it.
8.1% : Line56 / TOTAL INCOME. Line 56 is the federal income tax after credits.

Regardless of which measure is best, I think this is ridiculously low for our federal tax.

Of course, we pulled out all the stops at the end of 2017. It was a strong year for our business and we did what we could to bring the number down (legally); we had some appreciated stock and made our biggest donation to a DAF ever; we maxed out every possible pre-tax account we had including an i401k, SIMPLE-IRA, and HSAs to the tune of ~$55k pre-tax, pre-paid 2018 property taxes and made sure we paid as much state tax as we reasonably could justify.

All of this hammered home the point to us that living pretty frugally on a pretty high income created the cash flow and savings to pull off some pretty massive moves that all sync'ed up really well.


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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2018, 09:13:03 AM »
You don't worry about your safety CoffeeAndDonuts w.r.t. your tax avoidance? In Canada, the CRA is making a big push to target tax avoiders. I'm unaware if the IRS in the USA has similar authority.

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2018, 09:26:12 AM »
Tax avoidance is when you do things that are not against the law to pay less tax than you would in an alternate reality if you made different choices. Tax evasion is when you illegally misstate your tax liability. There is nothing that a revenue authority can do to tax avoiders other than name and shame them and hope that they willingly choose to pay more tax as a result.

Edited to add: Tax avoidance is a really flimsy concept IMO. If I do something that is not murder, but which the government doesn't like, that action is not "murder avoidance" or "law avoidance". I am conducting myself legally and within the bounds of the law. If I do something that is not tax evasion, but which the government doesn't like, that action is "tax avoidance", and an angry demagogue hauls me up into stocks and screams at me until she feels better about herself.
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2018, 10:47:47 AM »
You don't worry about your safety CoffeeAndDonuts w.r.t. your tax avoidance? In Canada, the CRA is making a big push to target tax avoiders. I'm unaware if the IRS in the USA has similar authority.

GrantMeAName did a good job clarifying tax evasion vs. tax avoidance.

I am not at all concerned. I'm a stickler about record keeping and doing things right.

Worst case, I get caught with some technical mistake. Without any egregious efforts and intent, any penalty levied by the IRS should be pretty minimal over the tax liability itself. I've been through business audits before and came out squeaky clean.

Lastly, I'm not doing anything terribly unique... just doing a lot of it!

* Retirement accounts are very normal. Ours just has a higher potential because of my wife's individual 401k (aka solo 401k)
* Donating to charity is very normal. We just took advantage of the opportunity to fund years of giving at once given 2018 tax changes and the coincidence with a historically very high income year for us. Also, charity in the US doesn't get limited by the AMT (which is the means by which the govt tries to make sure you don't avoid TOO much tax).
* We prepaid property taxes on both homes (selling one at the moment). Totally normal deduction, just accelerated. And our bills both presented as "due" so we expect no issue here.
* Overpayments to state taxes weren't extreme by any means. Probably 20% overpaid and well within reasonable standard given our unpredictable business incomes.
* Business moves were straight forward (e.g. decided whether to write off certain receivables, paying some marketing expenses early, a few employee bonuses accelerated).

All our strategies are basically timing shifts where we executed activities earlier than we might have otherwise since we were in a high tax year. That was compounded by the 2018 tax changes making some of the strategies less effective or moot but all are long established.

When you have relatively variable income, it becomes even more worthwhile to be positioned well for both low and high tax year strategies and to know the tools well. In November of each year, I go into tax planning mode.

If we do have another high income year in 2018, we will have substantially fewer tax avoidance/minimization strategies to deploy!
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2018, 08:16:55 PM »
Tax avoidance is when you do things that are not against the law to pay less tax than you would in an alternate reality if you made different choices. Tax evasion is when you illegally misstate your tax liability.

This is correct.

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There is nothing that a revenue authority can do to tax avoiders other than name and shame them and hope that they willingly choose to pay more tax as a result.

This is incorrect in the Canadian context. The CRA has the authority to enforce what they consider the "spirit of the law". If someone violates what they consider the spirit of a tax law, even if it is not criminal (i.e. just avoidance), the CRA can audit a person and render them liable for a higher tax burden. (Given the fact the individual isn't violating a law, this would only yield a financial cost and not a criminal cost.)

There's been some high profile cases of this in the recent years and the CRA continually reminds the public about their authority in this area.
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2018, 01:06:01 AM »
That's beyond asinine and I'm glad I'm not subject to your revenue authority. I think the UK is headed that way, though it isn't there yet. They cut their tax rates and announced to the world "the UK is open for business". Then a bunch of companies relocated operations to the UK, the government realized the size of the revenue loss, and immediately jumped down the new taxpayers' throats screaming about how they were immoral for only paying their legal liability and not some nebulous, other higher number. In other words, they conflate charity with taxation.

Who gets to decide which legal tax planning opportunities you are allowed to use and which ones are against the magical invisible spirit of the laws? Wouldn't it be a better idea for all involved if the legislature changed the laws so that certain planning was no longer effective?

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2018, 02:29:32 AM »
MFJ 2 kids
~approx numbers
Gross: 97000
Taxable: 66000
Fed: 5700
FICA: 8700
State: 3500
Property: 3000

Fed: 14.5%
Total: 21.3%



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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2018, 05:53:17 AM »
Wow.   How do you have such a low taxable income from that gross income?



Inspired by this discussion from last year, use this thread to share your 2017 tax hit.

Our taxes should have increased in 2017 because our gross income increased by about $5k, but our total obligation actually decreased by $1k! This is mostly because we were able to make use of a 457b for the first time. Numbers below (sales tax is complete guess). We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Gross income: $230k
Taxable income: $98k
Federal tax: $16k
Payroll tax: $15k
State tax: $8k
Property tax: $16k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $60k, or 26% of gross

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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2018, 08:47:15 AM »
Wow.   How do you have such a low taxable income from that gross income?

Inspired by this discussion from last year, use this thread to share your 2017 tax hit.

Our taxes should have increased in 2017 because our gross income increased by about $5k, but our total obligation actually decreased by $1k! This is mostly because we were able to make use of a 457b for the first time. Numbers below (sales tax is complete guess). We are MFJ, no dependents, one W2, and one 1099.

Gross income: $230k
Taxable income: $98k
Federal tax: $16k
Payroll tax: $15k
State tax: $8k
Property tax: $16k
Sales tax: $5k
Total tax: $60k, or 26% of gross

We defer a lot of compensation, perhaps more than we should. I work for a public company that allowed me to shelter about $45k last year. My spouse is self-employed and can put about $25k into a Solo 401k. We also claimed an itemized deduction of about $55k across property tax, mortgage interest, Schedule C, etc. The remainder is mostly an expensive health plan plus a few thousand into a FSA.

If you're thinking that we should pay more, I would tend to agree, though I'm not going to do so voluntarily. It's not much, but with the elimination of the SALT deductions, I estimate that we'll owe about $1k more to the Feds in 2018 vs 2017. However, because we prepaid half of our 2018 property taxes in 2017, our total tax liability for 2018 should be about $10k lower.
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Re: Your 2017 net income tax rate
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2018, 09:28:26 PM »
MFJ 2 kids

Gross: 104159
Taxable: 54955
Fed Income tax*: 4835
State Income tax: 1415
Property: 0 (Rent)
Sales: I dont track this; guessing its a pretty low # given our spending patterns

Effective Fed income tax (on gross): 4.6%
Effective Fed + State income tax liability (on gross): 6.0%

*, includes a small portion of ACA PTC that was applied to our tax liability on our 2017 1040 (line 69)

Listed are our personal tax liabilities. I'm also a business owner and business taxes are not part of the totals described above, though my wife's SE tax (Schedule C) are included above.
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Your net income tax rate (re-freshed)
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2019, 11:09:19 AM »
I thought I'd bring this back from last year in case anyone is interested, I just thought about it because had appt with CPA...will post my numbers as soon as he provides them to me (I am that lost this year....)
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