Author Topic: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property  (Read 2107 times)

sequoiatree

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« on: August 18, 2021, 01:12:47 PM »
[message deleted]
« Last Edit: November 14, 2021, 06:45:10 PM by sequoiatree »

AccidentalMiser

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 709
  • Age: 57
  • Location: SE Tenn
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2021, 01:24:16 PM »
I don't live in the Bay area but have lots of rental property experience.

How big is the condo?
Are you OK with living in your car?
What do you use for your address now?
Why do you think your investment property taxes will be lower than primary residence taxes?  If anything, your property taxes will be lower for a primary residence (unless there's something weird in the Bay area.)
Will you park at the condo while living in your car?

I'd suggest talking to a local tax advisor before pulling the trigger.

sequoiatree

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2021, 01:49:46 PM »
> How big is the condo?
It's a 1-bedroom with a pretty spacious living room.
> Are you OK with living in your car?
Yep! Prefer it, actually.
> What do you use for your address now?
I have a UPS mailbox.
> Why do you think your investment property taxes will be lower than primary residence taxes?  If anything, your property taxes will be lower for a primary residence (unless there's something weird in the Bay area.)
I read that rental properties qualify for more deductions, e.g. on mortgage interest.
> Will you park at the condo while living in your car?
Probably not, unless that's important.

> I'd suggest talking to a local tax advisor before pulling the trigger.
Will do.

Fishing4FI

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 49
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2021, 01:59:48 PM »
I'm not sure about CA specifically, but in most states I'm aware of, a non-owner occupied property is taxed at a higher rate than one that is.  That being said, your tax assumptions seem to be backward.  I would confirm this first by going onto your county's tax assessor website.  Most of them have an "calculate/estimate your taxes" link.  When filling out the property info, it will ask if the property is owner-occupied or not.  Run it both ways and confirm.  After you likely find non-owner occupied taxes are higher, re-evaluate your situation and let us know where you go from there.

seattlecyclone

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7475
  • Age: 40
  • Location: Seattle, WA
    • My blog
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2021, 03:48:09 PM »
I don't think the IRS cares whether you told the bank you would be living in the property yourself or renting it out. What they care about is how the property is actually used during the tax year.

ROF Expat

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 514
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2021, 12:39:01 PM »
sequoiatree,

+1 on AccidentalMiser's advice to see a local tax advisor who can discuss what will work for your specific situation. 

Your statement that "rental properties qualify for more deductions, e.g. on mortgage interest" isn't necessarily accurate.  For example, if you buy the property as a primary residence, you'll be able to deduct mortgage interest and up to $10,000 of property tax and state/local tax from your federal income tax (If you itemize.  You'll also want to compare the benefits of itemizing with the loss of your standard deduction).  If it is an investment property, you don't get those deductions, but you get to use those expenses to offset the income generated by the property.  Which one of these choices works out better for you depends on both the property and your own tax situation. 

My experience in this is limited to renting out my own house (that I originally bought as my primary residence), but I think you may be making a mistake by focusing only on the bank/mortgage holder.  My guess is that they generally won't be too concerned about what you're doing with  your property as long as you are paying your mortgage on time (This might be different if you are benefiting from a specific program like a first-time homebuyer program).  I'd be at least as concerned about state and local tax authorities and my insurance company.  You don't get to mix and match benefits of a rental property and a primary residence for tax purposes.  If you tell California that the property is your primary residence, you will probably get "homestead" benefits for property tax increases.  If it is a rental property, you shouldn't get that benefit.  I suspect they'd take a dim view of someone trying to have it both ways.  Similarly, you can't rent out your house and claim the mortgage interest as a personal tax deduction.  And I don't think you want to mislead your insurance company and have homeowners insurance when you really need landlord insurance (which is more expensive). 

If you rent the property out, you get to depreciate it for tax purposes (although you have to pay back the depreciation when you sell) which can be an advantage.  On the other hand, selling a primary residence has tax benefits (home sale exclusion) that you don't get with a rental property (although you could move back into it and convert  it back to a primary residence). 

It all boils down to:  "It's complicated."  Since it sounds like you fundamentally want the property as an investment, I think you need to analyze it as an investment property.  Your monthly payment will be about $3,000.  Are you confident that you'll be able to rent it for more than monthly costs?  What about condo fees?  Does the condo have any restrictions on renting?  Who is going to manage the property?  How do management fees (if appropriate) affect your profitability?  Are you prepared to go without tenants for a few months?  Are you prepared to deal with tenants who trash the place or don't pay their rent? 

I am not saying these things to discourage you.  Buying a condo might be a very solid decision, but deciding whether to do it and how to do it should be based on hard numbers specific to you.  If you don't have the experience to run those numbers, hiring an expert to help you is likely to be money well spent. 

Good luck!

 


cchrissyy

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1049
  • Location: SF Bay Area
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2021, 02:19:08 PM »
you have to be honest with the bank about your intentions

you have to be honest with the IRS about the actual use of the property each year

you do not have to tell the bank when the situation changes. it is completely fine to owner occupy for a while and then keep that loan after you change to a rental.


you do seem confused abut the tax differences. i would have suggested studying that a lot more before deciding to buy. good luck!

Catbert

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3778
  • Location: Southern California
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2021, 10:43:03 AM »
Lying to banks and governments is never good.  You're won't get a 5% down loan for a rental property.

Archipelago

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 894
  • Age: 30
  • Location: NH
Re: Taxes: Primary Residence vs. Rental Property
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2021, 11:03:14 AM »
Lying to banks and governments is never good.  You're won't get a 5% down loan for a rental property.

You can get 3.5% down on a 2-4 unit property that you can fully rent, provided you live in one of the units upon closing for at least 12 months (I'm not sure that anyone would really check, so long as your mail is being sent there?).

I don't see why this scenario would be much different, other than the bank not being able to use income from the other units towards your qualifying income. OP has enough income regardless.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2021, 11:08:50 AM by Archipelago »