Author Topic: Surprising Limitation with HRBlock "premium" online.....How does this workaround  (Read 1535 times)

John33

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Hello forum, and Thanks for any input.  I'm retired, with my income coming only from dividends and capital gains, etc.   

I've always used Turbotax, and never had any problem inputting the adjustments for "gov't. obligations"
for each item on my 1099-DIV  (to exempt it from state taxation, and then multiplying, etc. etc. ).
 
But now I'm trying HR-BLOCK  for the first time (premium online,  via UnitedWay which makes it free, if income
is under around 60k), and after searching for hours, I find
no way to do it.  To be more specific, there is no way to make the VERY SIMPLE AND COMMON "exemption" adjustments  (i.e.,
reduce the dividend income tax owed to STATES according to the amount of interest on US gov't. securities.

For each of my separate income sources on each 1099-DIV screen, HRBlock shows roughly 15 boxes that can be checked, beginning
with "Payers Name", followed by the standard "1a Total ordinary dividends " and ending with
"Box 12 Specified private activity bond interest dividends".
And none of the above boxes are relevant to this problem.
Below all of those boxes, there is NO BOX to check like Turbotax has ("I need to adjust.....").
The only boxes to check are the following four:

>>State tax was withheld in Box 15
>>I’m holding this account as a nominee — all or part of this income belongs to someone else.
>>All or part of the dividends were paid on restricted stock received from an employer.
>>The FATCA filing requirement box is checked on this 1099-DIV.

So, I guess I  will try to "over-ride it".....How does the following sound:


I can probably just insert the adjusted numbers myself into my state returns with HRBlock, right?
I know I PHYSICALLY can.......but....I'm not totally sure it'll be correct.
And I'm wondering how do states know if it was done correctly (since I'm not 100% sure myself). I DO KNOW I have the correct
exemption amounts for each of my funds, simply by getting the "percentage information" off of Vanguard's (and my
other mutual fund companies) websites, and doing the multiplications. So my spreadsheet has all these numbers
ready to go.

So, my plan is to just insert these adjusted numbers (dividend income with the aforementioned exemption amounts
subtracted out) into my 2 state returns, within HRBlock. (Yes, I'm a part-year resident of 2 states, since I moved in 2018, and both
states do allow these exemptions). Basically, when you get to the state sections of HR Block, it asks you (for each state)
what your income was (for that state) for each pre-filled category of income, and the software has already filled in the "federal amount"
for that category (and state).

So my plan is to just insert my dividend income numbers in these state sections, adjusted for the "exempt" amounts (which
I already calculated, but will now do some more adjustments based on various factors such as time period in each state, and time of dividend
distribution,, and doing pro-rations, etc. etc.).

Does this sound OK so far? I'm not sure what problems I might end up with, when states end up seeing a "state-XYZ taxable income"
that will be a little lower than what my federal return would imply (without the adjustments)....but also complicated by the
fact that I'm a part-year resident of 2 states.......How do states know if these numbers are correct in this case, with
2 states involved and ALSO no way to "tell them" I'm adjusting for this "interest on govt securities" ?

(I do plan to keep careful records of my calculations in case I'm audited, and I want to make sure its correct
.....and by the way, these "adjustments" I'll
be making are fairly small...almost makes me wonder if all this writing was worth the amount of money I'll be saving
(probably not!!..ha ha).

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I don't know which states you're talking about, but for mine, when adjusting for interest due to US government obligations, the 1099-DIV information on the federal 1040 is the total amount, and then on the state return, there is a line item for the reduction amount (total dividend income * USGovt% from Vanguard site).  The reduction amount gets subtracted from state taxable income.  See Idaho Form 39R, section B, line 3 and related instructions.  So that's how you tell the states that you're adjusting for US government obligations.  Your states, if they allow the deduction, should have something similar - look at the tax forms carefully or call the state tax offices and ask.

If you lived in two states during 2018, then you would very likely prorate the income between the two states as well as doing the reduction amounts for US government obligations.  In my state there is a part year resident income tax return that is different from the full-year resident form.  I believe this additional proration is common on part year returns, so they wouldn't be surprised to see some fraction of your federal income being reported in each state.

In general the states trust you to do things right.  I think they do have state income tax auditors, so if your state tax return was audited, they will then check to make sure you did everything properly.

John33

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Thanks for the quick reply........So you don't use software? (not HR Block,  I'm sure).     
 
I guess I will have to switch to a different software, either turbotax or taxACT.,  and pay alot
more money.....and start over.......I don't really want to do it by hand. 

When I was saying earlier that I can "insert" my "adjusted" numbers (as defined earlier) into the state sections of the software  I'm realizing now that the final printed state return (that will supposedly be produced by the software)
will be missing that crucial line you refer to (the subtraction amount)........so that would be a fatal flaw....
unless somehow the software allowed me to directly insert numbers into final state form  (but I doubt the online
version allows this).....But that line DOES exist in my state forms, asking for subtracted amounts due to ....interest
on federal....etc etc. .

.I wonder if anyone else here has used this "premium" online version of HR Block.....I can't believe they omitted such a crucial feature......



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Thanks for the quick reply........So you don't use software? (not HR Block,  I'm sure).     
 
I guess I will have to switch to a different software, either turbotax or taxACT.,  and pay alot
more money.....and start over.......I don't really want to do it by hand. 

When I was saying earlier that I can "insert" my "adjusted" numbers (as defined earlier) into the state sections of the software  I'm realizing now that the final printed state return (that will supposedly be produced by the software)
will be missing that crucial line you refer to (the subtraction amount)........so that would be a fatal flaw....
unless somehow the software allowed me to directly insert numbers into final state form  (but I doubt the online
version allows this).....But that line DOES exist in my state forms, asking for subtracted amounts due to ....interest
on federal....etc etc. .

.I wonder if anyone else here has used this "premium" online version of HR Block.....I can't believe they omitted such a crucial feature......

I use Free Fillable Forms for federal and fillable PDFs for state.

If the line exists on your state return to make the adjustment, I wouldn't adjust the numbers in the state section directly...I would try to find a way to enter the adjustment amount on that line.

I agree with you that this seems like an oversight if HRBlock were missing this.  I suspect there is a way, but it may not be obvious.  Have you tried contacting their technical support?  This time of year they may be a little busy.

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thanks again....Maybe I'll try one of the other "free" IRS softwares,  since I'm below 60K income and ....I do remember qualifying for
one or two other free ones.....Or else I'll switch to turbotax or taxact.......

But yes..I certainly have to find a way to "enter the adjustment amount on that line",  but I"m now 100% sure it cannot be done with the "version" ("Myfreetax....") of HRBLOCK-premium....since I just spent another 20 minutes going though the whole program from the start and looking for the 5th time.....And  you're right..if I can find a "tech support" number for this version, I might learn something  (so far i haven't found any relevant phone number).......but I've looked at enough screens on my laptop so far (HRB software) to know the "adjustment" cannot be made.     (p.s. I don't think the fact that I started the program specifying 2 state residencies (part-years)  would cause that "feature" to disappear in the federal section, where it belongs.....in the 1099-Div subsection).....

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I just did an experiment,   and wow......it looks like I  overestimated the benefit I'd receive by dropping HRBlock and moving to a software that allows these subtractions.    My subtraction amount would be around $1500 (if the software allowed it), but I always assumed it would have a significant effect on my state taxes......but it may not.   I went into the software and deleted one of my 1099-DIV sources (around $1500 ordinary dividends)  to see what my state taxes would be....and it only lowered one state's tax by a few dollars,   and no change to the other state........So...I guess that's pretty much what would show up if I were to actually  and correctly do the subtractions  in the software for each of my 1099-DIV's.......(totalling $1500)... ...right?    Well,  if that's the case, I guess I'll just stick with  this software and get ready to print and file....

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I don't have your case, but have used HR  Block for many years.  (fat client, not web)  But something @secondcor521 said triggered a thought:  In HR Block, the state tax return is distinct from federal--it's a following step.  I would look for the chance to make your modifications when you begin your state return.

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I just did an experiment,   and wow......it looks like I  overestimated the benefit I'd receive by dropping HRBlock and moving to a software that allows these subtractions.    My subtraction amount would be around $1500 (if the software allowed it), but I always assumed it would have a significant effect on my state taxes......but it may not.   I went into the software and deleted one of my 1099-DIV sources (around $1500 ordinary dividends)  to see what my state taxes would be....and it only lowered one state's tax by a few dollars,   and no change to the other state........So...I guess that's pretty much what would show up if I were to actually  and correctly do the subtractions  in the software for each of my 1099-DIV's.......(totalling $1500)... ...right?    Well,  if that's the case, I guess I'll just stick with  this software and get ready to print and file....

Very probably so.  A deduction (which is what the adjustment for USGovt obligations is in Idaho, and probably in your two states) is generally equivalent to a reduction in income.

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To: Ree.......:     I did go through the whole program, including both states (even before writing my original post) to look for a way.   

To Sec.....: So,  at this point I'm ready to file....I already saved a PDF of my returns (Fed, and 2 states).....But I'm going to delay sending them in until the deadline,  in case I find a better solution......
I still may try calling tech support to see if they know anything (but this version probably has no support)

To: Everyone:  Just to reiterate, the version I'm using is supposedly Premium-level HRBlock (online)  (and it does
say "premium" on every screen")   but it's "free" via the website MyFreeTaxes.com for people with incomes
below around 60k)....

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I did see a similar discussion on Bogleheads, and the consensus there was you would have to go directly to the form entry view and put this in manually.

John33

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There is no way to insert anything directly into any forms in my version.......

p.s. I carefully searched bogleheads for a long time quite a while ago (and other forums),  and there was absolutely zerio on this topic.

p.s.  As I fully expected,  calling HR Block "support" was my biggest waste of an hour in recent memory.