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RayLady

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Strategize Me! Minimize taxes, long retirement.
« on: January 30, 2016, 07:14:10 AM »
Hi all -

I could use some insight. We're just getting started growing our 'stache after getting out of a debt emergency. We'd like to retire in 10 years w/ 1 mil. I will be 33, hubs will be 39. We make an average of 130k/yr together pre-tax(w/o bonus structure included). Our expenses average 37k/yr. 

How should I be investing to minimize our tax bill and ensure a long, happy retirement? We don't own a home (and don't want to), we both have Roth IRAs, and we both have 401k's (mine currently at 6% w/ 4% match, his at 5% w/ 2.5% match). He also has an HSA which his employer puts $3,500/yr in. We currently have 20k.

Should I be maxing out 401ks and Roth IRAs and then putting the rest in a brokerage account? Should we be contributing to the HSA as well? Does our income make it more advantageous to utilize a Traditional IRA? Lots of conflicting info online and I'd love to get your take on it! Thanks guys!

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Re: Strategize Me! Minimize taxes, long retirement.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 07:30:12 AM »
Depending on how much your bonuses are, you might not qualify for a full (or maybe even partial) deduction for tIRA contributions. For MFJ people who have 401k's at work, your combined MAGI (gross income less 401k, HSA, and some above the line deductions) must be less than $98k for a full deduction of your tIRA contribution, and must be less than $118k for a partial tIRA deduction.

Based on the information you provided, your MAGI before bonuses is $130k - $6350 - $36k = $87.65k.

If you're unsure about whether you'll qualify or not, that's okay. You can always contribute to a tIRA and then recharacterize your tIRA contribution as a Roth IRA contribution through 4/15 of the following year (tax deadline)*. And you can recharacterize it the other way too.

But yes you should prioritize the traditional IRA over the Roth, because you're in the 25% tax bracket now, and with expenses of 37k/yr, in retirement you'd be in the 15% bracket.**

You should definitely max your 401k's, HSA, and IRAs (whether the IRA is traditional or Roth) before contributing to a brokerage account.

The HSA is the ultimate retirement account because so long as you save your receipts, you can defer your withdrawal for medical expenses indefinitely. Furthermore, when you reach 65, you can make withdrawals for non medical expenses penalty (but not tax) free.
And while HSAs typically have high expense ratios, you also get a 7.65% reduction in tax so long as you make contributions through payroll deductions (because HSA contributions avoid FICA tax).

*Okay technically you have until 10/15 but that requires you to either file for an extension or file an amended return.

**Unless you think that there will be a large increases in taxes by the time you retire. Which I don't think is that likely, but nobody knows what the political landscape will look like a decade from now. Making Roth IRA contributions and traditional 401k contributions would be a good hedge against this possibility should you think it likely enough to warrant it.

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Re: Strategize Me! Minimize taxes, long retirement.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 09:54:38 AM »
In general, keeping your taxable income as consistent as possible over time is a good strategy to minimize taxes. You'll probably have a lower taxable income in early retirement regardless of what you do, but contributing to traditional retirement accounts helps by both lowering your income now and raising it during retirement (compared to if you went with Roth contributions while working).

Max out the HSA for the same reason: it lowers your taxable income now, which is usually good as long as you expect it to go down in retirement.

A taxable brokerage account is a great place to invest extra money after you max out the retirement accounts. Rental real estate is another fine option with its own set of tax advantages, but it's certainly not for everyone.

Once you retire you'll probably buy health insurance through your state ACA exchange. See my post at https://seattlecyclone.com/optimizing-the-affordable-care-act/ for more information about how this all works and some things to consider for your planning.