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mousebandit

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Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« on: June 13, 2016, 11:30:21 AM »
I'm excited!!  We've been researching and planning, and decided that I will complete the training needed to become an income tax preparer!  This will work well with a lot of things we have been wanting to accomplish - have a side gig that could travel with us should we end up moving out of state, a side gig that could provide a significant amount of annual income for us, not requiring me to go back to work full-time, and wanting to start a home-based business.  I've talked with tax prep business owners both in our current hometown, and in the towns around where my husband's next potential jobsite will be (out of state) and they are all needing more preparers, and intending to hire new people for next tax season.  Some of what I earn will be directed towards shifting our current post-tax purchases and expenses into tax-deductible business expenses, and the rest will go entirely to investing.  That is gonna feel GREAT!! 

Woo hoo! 

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 02:55:46 PM »
I'm curious what your background is, as this is something I considered post-current work if I needed some side income.

I enjoy doing accounting type jobs, but I have a finance degree and not an accounting degree.

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 03:03:42 PM »
Commenting to follow also. What type of course or training are you doing? I've never known how to get into it but have thought it would be a good option for me to work like a crazy a few months a year in semi-retirement.

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 07:50:21 PM »
Are you taking these courses through one of the big tax companies?  Or are these independent courses?  If so, where can I find them?

How much do you expect to earn doing this?

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2016, 10:54:25 PM »
My formal educational background is in computer science (a bazillion years ago) and business management (almost a bazillion years ago).  I happen to be a tax geek who's been reading IRS publications since my early 20s when I realized how much was getting deducted from my already-tiny paychecks, LOL.  I have been a CFO of a small company, and done basic accounting for small businesses, but it's not my first love, by any means.  Taxes have a different vibe to them, for me.  More like sticking it to the Fed, haha.  So I can get fired up about them easier.

A few years ago, I signed up for an H&R Block course to be held in our local town, but was unable to attend due to health issues.  So the whole idea got shelved until this year, now that my health is back on track.

THis time, I went in and talked to the owner of our local H&R Block (friend from high school, he's been trying to get me to come work for him since we were in our 20s).  He said the H&R courses are much more about utilizing the proprietary software than actual tax prep knowledge.  The graduates he was hiring were making mistakes when actually preparing returns and he wasn't pleased.  He has since stopped offering the H&R BLock course. 

He recommended an online course, by Platinum.  I live in Oregon, so to prepare taxes here, I am required to do an Oregon-approved course (80-hours) and pass the Oregon Licensing Exam.  California has similar requirements, and I think one other state (not a western state) does too.  Here in Oregon, I will have to spend a certain number of hours preparing "under supervision" of a licensed preparer with more experience. 

I looked at a few different courses online, and Platinum was WAY less expensive than the others - $200 compared to $1600.  The others look fancier, and like lots more hand-holding and visually appealing student interface. 

I signed up with Platinum and have completed the first of 15 units so far.  It's intense, no doubt.  No hand-holding.  The reading assignments seem to be brief excerpts from the IRS publications and instructions.  The quizzes are long (16 pages, total of 80 questions for the first unit) and I had to look almost every single one up in the publications and instructions.  I spent about 2 hours on the first quiz. 

So, if you're good at learning directly from the IRS materials, and/or have prepared your own 1040 from the written forms and instructions, the Platinum course will probably suit you.  And if it won't, you'll know right off the bat and I Think they give a refund. 

The other courses looked nice, but there was no way I was going to pay that much more if the cheap one could get it accomplished, LOL. 

Eventually, within the next 12-18 months, I intend to test for the EA designation - IRS Enrolled Agent.  I will need to take more review courses, probably, and Platinum offers one for a few hundred dollars.  I should add that the $1600 courses I priced elsewhere included the EA reviews, so that's probably not a straight-across comparison.  As an EA, I will be very similar level to a CPA, but with focus on income tax preparation versus public accounting and auditing.  I can also represent taxpayers in tax court, which is appealing to me.  To test for the EA, it's about $700, I think, after any review courses you choose to take. 

First year out, I intend to probably work in a franchise tax prep office - H&R Block or Liberty, etc.  According to my H&R buddy, it's basically a little over minimum wage plus overtime and bonuses, from January 2nd to end of April.  I may be working here in Oregon, or we may be moving to the Spokane / Couer D'Alene area, in which case I wouldn't be under the oregon requirement to work "under supervision", as far as I understand at this point, anyways.  Still have more research to do on that possibility.  I do know that the Liberty tax folks in CDA intend to be hiring for next tax season, so that is an option open to me.

Liberty tax does offer a free oregon-approved online preparers course, but you can't register, or begin, until late July, and I wanted to get rolling asap.  So I didn't wait to check theirs out. 

Ultimately, I intend to build my own client list, and work this as a home-based business.  I am even considering pitching my H&R Buddy to hire me as a 1099 consultant, and let me work from home "under supervision" - ie he reviews the returns I prepare, and we come to an agreement on the split of the fees, instead of me working as a W2 employee.  I could potentially do that with several local tax prep places.   If we move out of state, I will network with the tax prep offices up there, and feel the waters for working with a few of them, meeting clients at their offices, then preparing the returns at home.  And I will be actively creating my own client list from friends, family, and husband's co-workers, as well. 

Eventually, I think I can pull in $10k-$30k per tax season, and potentially expand my offerings to tax strategy planning and perhaps retirement planning / financial planning for the off-season. 

Between income and tax benefits of having a small business, I am really excited about this! 

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 03:04:26 PM »
I wanted to update now that I've completed the first 2 of 15 units on this course.  First, if you are intending to take this particular course, I would do it ASAP, as they are up for re-authorization in September, and it is not likely they will be approved by Oregon again.  Second, I would NOT recommend this course to anyone else, unless you are SUPER knowledgeable already.  The course material is riddled with typos and grammatical errors to the point a good portion of it doesn't make any sense.  In this respect, it is a blessing that they don't bother with much of their own course material, and mostly just link you to the IRS publications and forms.

There is much confusion between their links to current forms, their insistence that the course is based on a particular prior-year law, and the occasional requirement to figure a question out based on a completely different year's computations, LOL.  It's bizarre, to say the least. 

Some of their answers are wrong, and I've seen answer explanations that contain not only incorrect figures in the computations, but number inversions and computational errors within their own computations!! 

State of Oregon is aware of these issues, hence the re-certification thing in September. 

Interesting side note:  They also offer continuing education for tax professionals and everyone, including the state, seem to rave about those.  Go figure.  Maybe they started off with that, and do good with it, and tried to create the full course to fill a need, but rushed it or something.  I dunno. 

Another thing I learned today, from talking with the state licensing board, is that they have pass/fail rates for the state license exam online, and looking at those - only about 25-25% of exam takers pass!  So, BE PREPARED before you sit for that exam! 

All in all, I am still SUPER excited about doing a tax return business, but I'm horrified at this company offering this course. 

Would love to hear if anyone else decides to pursue tax prep as a side gig or full-time business.  :-)

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 06:40:06 PM »
Your comments are about what I expected when I saw their 1990s website.  Hope you pass regardless.

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2016, 08:56:24 PM »
Very cool!

I became a tax accountant about 3 years ago. A family friend works for a tiny tax firm and casually asked if I knew anyone looking for a job - I said "sure - ME!"  All of my training has been on the job, and we do some fairly complicated small business stuff so I have learned a ton. I did study and pass the Enrolled Agent exam - I would highly recommend doing that as it gives you official status with the IRS to work with them on behalf of your clients, just like if you were a CPA or a tax attorney. I don't anticipate leaving my company any time soon, since I love working there - great people, casual environment, and I can bring my dog to the office - but I feel confident that with a little more experience, I could fairly easily hang out my own shingle or get a job in another city.

Welcome to the dark side :)

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 01:41:21 PM »
Thanks Carolina822! 

I finished the basic course yesterday, and I'm scheduling my Oregon Exam for September.  (In Oregon you have to be licensed by the state, and pass a state exam.)  I will continue studying for the EA, but I will pony up the extra money for one of the other educational companies, LOL! 

Not sure exactly what the next year will bring for us, or where I'll be come tax season.  Our property here is up for sale, and there's a job transfer possible for the husband.  Either of those would move us out of state.  In the event that we are still here in January, I'm moving forward with plans to either or both, set up shop with my own little business here in my hometown (which is complicated because of Oregon laws, but feasible), and/or work as an employee in a coastal town about 45 minutes drive from me.  Both will require me setting up some in-home daycare for my 4 homeschooled littles, so that will be a big challenge, too.  :-)

But, it's all in progress, and I'm VERY excited!!  I'll be sure to post financial details of how much I earn when tax season comes, etc. 

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Re: Starting my Income Tax Preparers Course!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 03:59:05 AM »
Congrats on finishing the course!  Good luck on the exam!  Let us know how it goes.  :)
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