Author Topic: Small Business or Side Hustle  (Read 1125 times)

leighb

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Small Business or Side Hustle
« on: January 01, 2023, 12:34:08 PM »
A few years back I registered my tutoring business with the city because it was my primary source of income.  I'm now working full-time and it's no longer my primary source of income.  I'm wonder if I can or should stop claiming it as a business. Here's the things I know might matter:

  • Last year I made about $7,000 tutoring
  • When claiming it as a business I have to pay a minimum of $200 to the city.
  • I deduct $170 for my home office


Many thanks for any advice!

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2023, 12:49:30 PM »
That still sounds very much like self-employment for tax purposes. Whether you need to get a local business license for something that size (and the likelihood you will be penalized for failure to get one) is a different matter. The IRS has no requirement you obtain such a license in order to file a Schedule C sole proprietorship.

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2023, 03:39:15 PM »
Thanks. I suppose I'll just keep filing and paying the city. I haven't found any sort of cut off or definition for "doing business."

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2023, 04:35:28 PM »
If you earn money doing it, it's almost certainly business. Paying the $200 license fee of your city is only one of your tax obligations for that income. You still need to absolve yourself of the other obligations, regardless of any other income streams you may have.

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2023, 08:14:47 AM »
Thanks. I suppose I'll just keep filing and paying the city. I haven't found any sort of cut off or definition for "doing business."

Tax law sets the bar pretty low for purposes of determining whether you're in a trade or business.

BTW one of the reasons that people like me (a tax accountant) go nuts about regulatory burden on small businesses is because the fixed cost can be so high for small businesses.

Example: Technically if you have a quilt-making business and sell three $1,000 quilts off Etsy and one of those quilts goes to someone in California, you owe California a tax return even if you live in some other state. BTW if you happen to be organized as an LLC, you'll also technically owe California an $800 LLC franchise tax.

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2023, 12:48:39 PM »
If you earn money doing it, it's almost certainly business. Paying the $200 license fee of your city is only one of your tax obligations for that income. You still need to absolve yourself of the other obligations, regardless of any other income streams you may have.

Yep, I certainly claim the income on my state and federal taxes.

I'm hearing from you all, that basically anytime money is earned from work outside of a W2, it's business income. Fair enough, I will continue to proceed as I have been.

Thanks,

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2023, 02:59:50 PM »
I would look into seeing if you could deduct that $200 payment to the city as a business expense on your Schedule C, perhaps on line 23 or maybe line 10.

There is also a simplified home office deduction which might be easier/better for you that you could look in to.  I don't know if you can switch methods though.  I think you can.

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2023, 04:46:19 PM »
Example: Technically if you have a quilt-making business and sell three $1,000 quilts off Etsy and one of those quilts goes to someone in California, you owe California a tax return even if you live in some other state. BTW if you happen to be organized as an LLC, you'll also technically owe California an $800 LLC franchise tax.

Can you expand on this?  Etsy started collecting California Sales tax, and the CDTFA says an individual who solely operates through such marketplaces is no longer responsible to collect, report, and pay the fee(s) due on your California retail sales facilitated through their marketplace.  So that tells me you don't need to file a sales tax return.
 
Is it because of California's new interpretation on sales from outside of California, in this Technical Advice Memorandum?
Because vendors on Etsy can provide post-sale support by chat or email, like washing instructions on your example of the quilt, it seems to fall under the "Business B" fact pattern.  That California wants to call email and live chat support of a sold item a disqualifying business activity is ridiculous.  They claim the reason is because it's a post-sale activity and the sale has already taken place.  But answering questions post-sale is absolutely part of soliciting more business.

The Technical Memorandum makes some good points, for example if you use Fulfilment by Amazon, and they store your stuff in a warehouse in California, I agree you'd have a California presence.  But I really wish there were a way to get States and the Feds to agree on what the rules of the country are without needing to have a state randomly tax everyone until someone sues them and it goes to the federal courts to decide where the line is.  I also think the lawmakers get lost when "technology" comes into play.  For example, there isn't so large a difference between emailing the vendor and calling the vendor to require separate laws.

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Re: Small Business or Side Hustle
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2023, 08:07:11 PM »
Thanks. I suppose I'll just keep filing and paying the city. I haven't found any sort of cut off or definition for "doing business."

Tax law sets the bar pretty low for purposes of determining whether you're in a trade or business.

BTW one of the reasons that people like me (a tax accountant) go nuts about regulatory burden on small businesses is because the fixed cost can be so high for small businesses.

Example: Technically if you have a quilt-making business and sell three $1,000 quilts off Etsy and one of those quilts goes to someone in California, you owe California a tax return even if you live in some other state. BTW if you happen to be organized as an LLC, you'll also technically owe California an $800 LLC franchise tax.

Respectfully, California can go fuck themselves in that scenario. I guess they have to find a way to make up for all the businesses fleeing the state by trying to steal from businesses in other states.

My reading is that the threshold for sales tax nexus is $500,000 - though there is some clause about if it's more than 25% of sales. My business did about $50,000 in sales to California residents last year but I'm not giving them one cent. I'm certainly not going to register with the state and put myself on their radar.