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Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« on: April 22, 2025, 09:57:13 PM »
OK, so I am now past age 59.5, and I have the majority of my retirement savings in traditional pre-tax accounts.

However, I do have a Roth account that I started ~ 20 years ago, at Fidelity. I did not understand that I should have been keeping the Form 5498 that I got, so I doubt that I have an accurate record, in terms of forms.

However, I do understand that the 5 year rule for Roths, now that I am 59.5+, means that anything in that account that is at least 5 years old is now eligible for withdrawal without penalty, yes? Because the account is 5+ years old, the money has been in that account for at least 5 years, AND I am now past age 59.5.

To give an example: if I look up my Fidelity statement from 2020, it shows a balance of $50k in May of 2020...I can withdraw up to $50k without penalty, yes?

And if I made Mega backdoor Roth CONTRIBUTIONS sometime between 2020 and now...since it's in an account that is 5+ years old, AND I am now past age 59.5, I could withdraw those contributions, yes?

But I am now planning to make a big CONVERSION amount. I am thinking that I should open a second Roth account, so that it is clear that the entirety of that conversion amount, AND its growth, happened after age 59.5, which means I can withdraw either, at any time. Which would allow the previously-established Roth time to season another few years, until I am age 64.5, when those funds will be clearly penalty-free upon withdrawal?

Does this make sense? I want to make sure I am not GOTCHA'D on any withdrawals from Roth, given the two 5 Year Rules.

(And don't worry - not a lot will be withdrawn,  and I understand the value of Roth accounts. It's just easy to use that account, as I am preparing to separate from service in late June, and I have limits on in-service withdrawals).


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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2025, 01:16:58 AM »
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The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs means that at least 5 years must elapse between the beginning of the tax year of your first contribution to a Roth account and withdrawal of earnings.
https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/personal-finance/retirement/roth-ira-5-year-rule

You don't measure from your last contribution, but from your first contribution.  If your Roth IRA is more than 5 years old, everything is "qualified" even after you make new contributions.

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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2025, 05:51:20 AM »
Since you're over 59.5 only the "Roth must be at least 5 years old" rule applies to you. The other 5 year rule only applies to those under 59.5.

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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2025, 10:03:03 AM »
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The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs means that at least 5 years must elapse between the beginning of the tax year of your first contribution to a Roth account and withdrawal of earnings.
https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/personal-finance/retirement/roth-ira-5-year-rule

You don't measure from your last contribution, but from your first contribution.  If your Roth IRA is more than 5 years old, everything is "qualified" even after you make new contributions.

But I thought conversions done before age 59.5 also had a 5 year rule, even if the Roth account is 5+ years old? So 5 years from date of opening the account, or 5 years after the conversion, whichever is longer?

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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2025, 11:02:11 AM »
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The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs means that at least 5 years must elapse between the beginning of the tax year of your first contribution to a Roth account and withdrawal of earnings.
https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/personal-finance/retirement/roth-ira-5-year-rule

You don't measure from your last contribution, but from your first contribution.  If your Roth IRA is more than 5 years old, everything is "qualified" even after you make new contributions.

But I thought conversions done before age 59.5 also had a 5 year rule, even if the Roth account is 5+ years old? So 5 years from date of opening the account, or 5 years after the conversion, whichever is longer?

The five-year rule for conversions only comes into play when determining taxation (if any) for a non-qualified distribution. Now that you're old enough for qualified distributions, any withdrawals from your Roth IRA count as qualified distributions and are therefore not taxed.

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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2025, 12:42:35 PM »
Just to pile on and agree with everyone else, yes, @Sandi_k, all of your Roth withdrawals are now qualified because your Roth is over 5 years old and you're over 59.5.  Qualified withdrawals have no taxes and no penalties.

You can confirm this for yourself by following the pretty simple flowchart in IRS Publication 590-B Figure 2-1 at https://www.irs.gov/publications/p590b#en_US_2024_publink100089543.

Shortly above that figure you can find the following statement:

"Are Distributions Taxable?
You don't include in your gross income qualified distributions or distributions that are a return of your regular contributions from your Roth IRA(s)."

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Re: Beginning Retiree Roth Withdrawals - Need Advice...
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2025, 08:04:52 PM »
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