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Poeirenta

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IRS 1040-ES says no quarterly payments needed...
« on: May 09, 2023, 03:49:03 PM »
...which I was not anticipating. This makes me nervous that I filled it out wrong!

I'm debating whether I should pay to have a CPA double check it. Any ideas how much time that would take a pro to do?

For context, my anticipated net for my LLC is about 32K. I put the max allowable (given my profits) into a solo 401k, DH maxes out his SIMPLE with his W-2 income. Our refund for 2022 was about 1K. Maybe this is why the numbers came out the way they did?

Thanks for your input!


MDM

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Re: IRS 1040-ES says no quarterly payments needed...
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2023, 04:29:26 PM »
If your MFJ return meets any of the Safe harbors using withholding alone, no estimated payments are needed.

Will that be the case for you?

Poeirenta

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Re: IRS 1040-ES says no quarterly payments needed...
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2023, 03:51:42 PM »
According to the form 2210, we are indeed in the safe harbor. Thank you for the link @MDM .

It never would have occured to me to go to Bogleheads to look for this info, so thanks for that reminder also!


phildonnia

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Re: IRS 1040-ES says no quarterly payments needed...
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2023, 11:17:05 PM »
Seriously, the 1040-ES instructions could be reduced to one paragraph and cover 99.99% of cases.  Here's a simplified explanation:

1. Find the amount on line 24 of your 2022 tax return.  Add another 10% if line 11 is more than $150k.  That's your prior-year maximum.
2. You can guess what your tax liability is for 2023, then take 90% of this.  If you don't like to guess, then just use the prior-year maximum. 

Take the smaller of the two figures above.  This is how much you have to pay throughout the year.  If the W-2 withholding will cover this, then you're good.  Otherwise, the balance is paid in estimated taxes, one-fourth of it each period.

There are some other obscure things you can do to delay paying a few bucks here and there, but that's it in a nutshell.  Don't stress too much about this.  If you pay too much, you get it back in your refund.  If you pay too little, the penalty is $.00016 per day on every underpaid dollar. 


 

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