Author Topic: Coronavirus tax rebate  (Read 5951 times)

seattlecyclone

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7263
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Seattle, WA
    • My blog
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2020, 10:09:05 AM »
I haven't filed 2019 yet.

If I get the full $1200 based on 2018 numbers, but qualify for less based on 2019 numbers, will I have to "pay back" the extra in 2020?

You don't have to pay anything back if your income goes up. I would recommend waiting to file your 2019 taxes until after you receive your payment.

phildonnia

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 365
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2020, 04:33:28 PM »
I haven't filed 2019 yet.

If I get the full $1200 based on 2018 numbers, but qualify for less based on 2019 numbers, will I have to "pay back" the extra in 2020?

You don't have to pay anything back if your income goes up. I would recommend waiting to file your 2019 taxes until after you receive your payment.

Just to clarify: You don't have to pay it back based on your 2019 figures if they turn out higher.  But the final amount of the credit is determined by your 2020 figures, so you may have to pay back if you miraculously had a higher income in 2020.

secondcor521

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5523
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Boise, Idaho
  • Big cattle, no hat.
    • Age of Eon - Overwatch player videos
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2020, 05:00:38 PM »
I haven't filed 2019 yet.

If I get the full $1200 based on 2018 numbers, but qualify for less based on 2019 numbers, will I have to "pay back" the extra in 2020?

You don't have to pay anything back if your income goes up. I would recommend waiting to file your 2019 taxes until after you receive your payment.

Just to clarify: You don't have to pay it back based on your 2019 figures if they turn out higher.  But the final amount of the credit is determined by your 2020 figures, so you may have to pay back if you miraculously had a higher income in 2020.

Emphasis added.

While it is true that the actual credit will be determined by your 2020 AGI, if the advance stimulus check amount is greater, then you will *not* have to pay back any excess.

seattlecyclone

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7263
  • Age: 39
  • Location: Seattle, WA
    • My blog
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2020, 06:48:00 PM »
Right, that's where the "not less than zero" clause comes into play. Your advance payment will count against your 2020 credit, but won't reduce it below zero. In essence you'll get the credit based on whichever of your 2019 or 2020 tax situation results in the highest amount.

kpd905

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2029
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2020, 01:00:57 PM »
Jeremy from Go Curry Cracker mentioned that he thought children born in 2020 might be eligible for the $500 credit, does anyone know if this is the case?  He didn't post any relevant lines from the bill to support this.

secondcor521

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5523
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Boise, Idaho
  • Big cattle, no hat.
    • Age of Eon - Overwatch player videos
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2020, 01:11:56 PM »
Jeremy from Go Curry Cracker mentioned that he thought children born in 2020 might be eligible for the $500 credit, does anyone know if this is the case?  He didn't post any relevant lines from the bill to support this.

They generally would, because they'd be dependents under age 17.  Assuming they had an SSN and their parents' 2020 AGI was in the appropriate range.

The credit would not be part of the advance stimulus check, but would instead be taken on the parents' 2020 tax return.

effigy98

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 555
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2020, 03:47:07 PM »
Punished again for being responsible and working hard. I can't wait to FIRE and live off of everyone else working.

PEMama

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2020, 02:01:19 PM »
Looking for opinions on what to do about college student. I have not yet filed my 2019 taxes. My daughter (age 20 now) left college after spring semester in 2019. She worked FT for the remainder of the year, earning around 20k. She returned to college FT in January 2020.

I haven't filed my 2019 taxes yet nor has she. I am considering not claiming her as a dependent for 2019 as she provided more than 50% of her own support. The tuition for the 2019 spring semester was paid in full by me in December of 2018. Her tuition for the spring 2020 semester was paid in full by me in January of 2020. I made no tuition payments during 2019.

So would she qualify for the $1200 stimulus if I do not claim her as a dependent on my 2019 taxes? I will end up increasing my tax liability for 2019 by $500 if I do not claim her but she will in turn receive $1200. Am I missing anything? Is it too late to file and have our 2019 numbers used for immediate stimulus payment instead of 2018? WWYD?

secondcor521

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 5523
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Boise, Idaho
  • Big cattle, no hat.
    • Age of Eon - Overwatch player videos
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2020, 02:30:53 PM »
Looking for opinions on what to do about college student. I have not yet filed my 2019 taxes. My daughter (age 20 now) left college after spring semester in 2019. She worked FT for the remainder of the year, earning around 20k. She returned to college FT in January 2020.

I haven't filed my 2019 taxes yet nor has she. I am considering not claiming her as a dependent for 2019 as she provided more than 50% of her own support. The tuition for the 2019 spring semester was paid in full by me in December of 2018. Her tuition for the spring 2020 semester was paid in full by me in January of 2020. I made no tuition payments during 2019.

So would she qualify for the $1200 stimulus if I do not claim her as a dependent on my 2019 taxes? I will end up increasing my tax liability for 2019 by $500 if I do not claim her but she will in turn receive $1200. Am I missing anything? Is it too late to file and have our 2019 numbers used for immediate stimulus payment instead of 2018? WWYD?

You can determine if she provided more than half of her own support by going to Worksheet 2 in IRS Pub 501.  The exact rules for filling it out are not clear, but you may need to put the expenses for her 2019 spring semester on line 15 even though you paid them in 2018, since it's asking for the expenses, which were incurred in 2019, not the payments, which were made in 2018.  Note that in general the support test hinges on who paid for the basics of living, not how much she made.

If she provided more than half of her own support, then she does not qualify as your dependent child nor as your dependent relative because she fails the support test.

If she is not your dependent in 2019, you would not list her and she could file her own return.  You would lose the $500 credit for other dependents and she would receive the $1200 (assuming she otherwise qualifies; a 20 year old college student typically would).

I don't know if it's too late to file.  The direct deposits are supposed to be going out next week, but they haven't said if they're going to do any sort of "mop up" activities for people who are in your situation and are filing 2019 returns over the next few months.  I would guess they would, but I don't know for sure.  If at all possible, I would encourage you and your daughter to file electronically because electronic returns are received and processed by the IRS much more quickly than paper returns.

I would recommend following the fact pattern and filing as appropriate.  Do note that if your daughter cannot be claimed as your dependent in 2020, she can file and get the $1200 payment on her 2020 return which she files approximately a year from now.  She would still get the money in that scenario, however it would be up to a year later than the stimulus check.

Lucis29

  • 5 O'Clock Shadow
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2020, 09:50:38 PM »
We already filed taxes for 2019 and got the money back. Would it worth filing an amendment to take my mom out as a dependent so she can claim the $1200 check.

MDM

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 11491
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2020, 10:59:13 PM »
We already filed taxes for 2019 and got the money back. Would it worth filing an amendment to take my mom out as a dependent so she can claim the $1200 check.
If someone can be claimed as a dependent, they are ineligible for the payment whether they are claimed or not.

See (d)(2) under SEC. 6428. 2020 Recovery Rebates for individuals.

jpdx

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 760
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2020, 11:39:41 PM »
Has anyone received the direct deposit yet?

ender

  • Walrus Stache
  • *******
  • Posts: 7402
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2020, 12:17:03 PM »
Has anyone received the direct deposit yet?

I see it as a pending deposit as of today yes.

phildonnia

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 365
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2020, 05:13:40 PM »
While it is true that the actual credit will be determined by your 2020 AGI, if the advance stimulus check amount is greater, then you will *not* have to pay back any excess.

This seems very bizarre to me, but I read more and it checks out.  Thanks for teaching me something!

solon

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 2363
  • Age: 1823
  • Location: OH
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2020, 05:27:38 PM »
Got mine today.

jpdx

  • Pencil Stache
  • ****
  • Posts: 760
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2020, 11:47:17 PM »
I have not received it yet, and it turns out the IRS portal says they do not have my bank account information. This is despite including it in my 2019 return and paying my tax due electronically.

terran

  • Magnum Stache
  • ******
  • Posts: 3807
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2020, 06:18:13 AM »
I have not received it yet, and it turns out the IRS portal says they do not have my bank account information. This is despite including it in my 2019 return and paying my tax due electronically.

I don't know if this is your situation, but they seem to make a distinction between bank information entered for payment and bank information entered for refund. They're only depositing into accounts entered for refund. There must be some rule or policy they have about this.

Psychstache

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1600
Re: Coronavirus tax rebate
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2020, 07:49:21 AM »
I have not received it yet, and it turns out the IRS portal says they do not have my bank account information. This is despite including it in my 2019 return and paying my tax due electronically.

I don't know if this is your situation, but they seem to make a distinction between bank information entered for payment and bank information entered for refund. They're only depositing into accounts entered for refund. There must be some rule or policy they have about this.

I received a refund and give them information for DD for my taxes. When I logged in to check on the stimulus check status, I was told they didn't have my information. I added it so it should be on it's way, but I feel like I'm further back in the line that I should have been.

n=1 and all, but still. not cool man.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!