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LearningMustachian72

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457 Withdrawal Strategy
« on: July 24, 2019, 08:59:25 PM »
Hey!

My wife has a 457 that she maxes out. 

Question #1
My understanding is that she can withdraw these funds from her plan at any time or for any reason before retirement...is this true?

Question #2
My understanding is that early withdrawals are only subject to income tax in the withdrawal year.  She was thinking of taking 2 years off when we start a family...could she technically withdraw during these 2 years and not pay any taxes then simply reinvest in a Roth IRA or some other investment vehicle?

Thanks!

terran

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Re: 457 Withdrawal Strategy
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2019, 09:29:32 PM »
1) You generally can't withdraw from a 457 while still employed by the related employer, but once you separate from service you can withdraw at any time without a penalty. Different employers have different rules about what types of withdrawals (one lump sum all at once, however much you want, etc).

2) If she withdraws from the 457 it will be subject to income tax at your marginal rate. If all income between the two of you falls below the deduction then she wouldn't pay tax. She would have to roll the 457 over into a Roth, not just withdraw and contribute -- make sure it's coded as a rollover contribution. Or do a trustee to trustee transfer. If you have earned income in excess of the amount contributed both you and she can contribute to either traditional or Roth IRAs. What you do with the 457 withdrawal is up to you. Rather than rolling the 457 over to a Roth IRA in a low income year, I would roll over from a traditional IRA if you have one to Roth. Once money is rolled from a 457 to an IRA the penalty free withdrawal option will be lost.

I'm assuming this is a governmental 457 with these answers. I don't think a non-governmental 457 can be rolled over to an IRA.

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Re: 457 Withdrawal Strategy
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2019, 09:10:31 AM »
@terran

Thank you for the reply!

We file married filing seperately for tax purposes.  Therefore, only her income would need to fall below the deduction, correct?

Additionally, if she seperates from her employer, she could technically just take the distribution as a lump sum, right?  I ask as I am wondering if it would be possible to take this out tax free and invest in a rental property or some other investment instead of putting everything into a Roth IRA?

We do not currently have a traditional IRA, to answer one of the considerations you raised.

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Re: 457 Withdrawal Strategy
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2019, 09:36:31 AM »
I'm not super familiar with married filing separately, but in that case I believe she'd need to stay under the $12,200 standard deduction.

It's pretty rare for married filing separately to work out better unless there is some extenuating circumstance like student loan repayment issues. You may want to run the math on what would happen to your tax bill with a nonworking spouse. Married filing jointly is usually most advantageous to couples with very different salaries (one high, one low) as it brings the high earners salary into lower brackets.

Yes, she can probably withdraw the whole lump sum when she separates from service. If it's less than her standard deduction then she wouldn't pay tax on it. Whether you put it in a rental vs the stock market is an independent decision that depends on the available options. If you can invest in what you want within an IRA I would put any tax free money that can be rolled over into an IRA in Roth since any gains on the investment will then also be tax free.

 

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