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We Got a "Free" House!
« on: November 08, 2014, 06:55:45 AM »
From 1992 to 2013, my wife and I enjoyed living in two comfortable single-family homes (in South Florida and Western Maryland) for a net cost under $500 a month.  And then, at the end of that 21 years, we ended up acquiring our present house free and clear without having to shell out a single additional dollar.

We now live in an 1800-square-foot single family brick house on two-and-a-half acres in South Central Virginia that also includes a full basement, a detached two-car garage, a 600-square-foot metal outbuilding, and a 1500-square-foot pole barn.  And its $200,000 price tag all came from profits resulting from the sales of our 2 previous houses. 

And I don't mean that the $200,000 came from the equity we built up on those houses.  I mean that the $200,000 came from the profits we got from owning those houses, over and above the prices we originally paid for them.

We may not have gotten our present house literally for free.  But we did get it entirely as a "profit purchase" from the sale of our 2 previous homes.  And that feels like "free" to me, baby!

Anyone else living in a "profit-purchase" house?  Or following a specific plan to end up with a feels-like-free profit-purchase house?
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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2014, 08:53:16 AM »
I have thought about this issue before but from a slightly different angle. My parents and many friends live in an area where property taxes are very high (3%). For a 250,000 house my friends and family are paying $7500 in property taxes. This comes to $625/month just for taxes. I would guess at least $75/month for insurance. It seems kind of disappointing to own a house but still pay $700/month for taxes and insurance. 

My total mortgage including taxes and insurance is $650. Am I house free in comparison to my friends?
 

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2014, 01:17:57 PM »
I bought a super cheap foreclosure during the depth of the housing crisis. I did minor fix-ups and did a cash-out refinance with a lower interest rate a year later. The new loan is over 150% of the total cost of the purchase price and fix-ups. I invested the entire amount of cash I pulled out of the new mortgage. The market went up substantially, and the value of the house has too. I've had a negative cost house so far.

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2014, 03:10:45 PM »
I got 2.5 free airplanes...:)

Paid off the house early.. the interest saved paid for my $90k airplane 2.5 times over..:)

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 04:51:31 PM »
I wouldn't call it free, since there's still an opportunity cost to having the house equity versus having the $ invested, but still a nice win.

One of my brothers caught nearly every house at the local market bottom and sold near the top. In 15 years he got probably $300K or more of free equity.

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2014, 05:05:28 PM »
I bought my first condo, fixed it up and moved after a few years.  The sale price covered what I paid, my renos, all condo fees, mortgage interest and taxes and closing costs.  So, I lived there for free for 3.5 years.  Does that count?

I think I may have had to pay some utilities on my next place...

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 08:22:09 AM »
And its $200,000 price tag all came from net profits on the sales of our 2 previous houses.  We got a FREE house, baby!

Anyone else living in a "free" house?  Or following a specific plan to end up with a free house?

Oh god, what? No, you didn't get a "free house." You sold two other homes and rolled 21 years worth of equity into your current house. I don't usually call people out on shitty accounting/logic, but I'm worried that somebody that can't read a balance sheet or income statement will take it at face value.

http://youtu.be/_Prp615mmDk?t=16s

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 04:57:43 PM »
And its $200,000 price tag all came from net profits on the sales of our 2 previous houses.  We got a FREE house, baby!

Anyone else living in a "free" house?  Or following a specific plan to end up with a free house?

Oh god, what? No, you didn't get a "free house." You sold two other homes and rolled 21 years worth of equity into your current house. I don't usually call people out on shitty accounting/logic, but I'm worried that somebody that can't read a balance sheet or income statement will take it at face value.

http://youtu.be/_Prp615mmDk?t=16s

Yeah, you sold something and bought something else without going into debt.

I have two shitty ten thousand dollar cars. If I sell them both tomorrow and purchase one new car for 20K it's not a 'free car' it's a car I purchased without going into debt. 

True story: My mom offered to give me one of her rental properties. As a matter of fact she said something like, "We'll need to do a quick deed title transfer so it's in your name."

I said, "No thanks, Mom".  I'd still be on the hook for taxes, insurances, water, utilities and an $8000 repair that needs to be made before it will pass inspection. The house is four hours away from me and the Zillow estimate is $53K.

Now that's an example of a FREE HOUSE which still doesn't appeal to me.

Because it's my mom, my husband is trying to find a realtor who will sell it for her. She lives out of state.  So far no realtors are even interested enough to call back...oh wait...DH just said one finally called him back today. That only took about 2 months.

My mom has already sunk money into a new roof and flooring on this place. After the 8K foundation repair job, she'll be LUCKY if she clears 20K and that's IF it sells. It may well sit for another X number of years unsold and vacant.

Meh.


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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 05:17:09 PM »
And its $200,000 price tag all came from net profits on the sales of our 2 previous houses.  We got a FREE house, baby!

Anyone else living in a "free" house?  Or following a specific plan to end up with a free house?

Oh god, what? No, you didn't get a "free house." You sold two other homes and rolled 21 years worth of equity into your current house. I don't usually call people out on shitty accounting/logic, but I'm worried that somebody that can't read a balance sheet or income statement will take it at face value.

http://youtu.be/_Prp615mmDk?t=16s

Yeah, you sold something and bought something else without going into debt.

I have two shitty ten thousand dollar cars. If I sell them both tomorrow and purchase one new car for 20K it's not a 'free car' it's a car I purchased without going into debt. 

True story: My mom offered to give me one of her rental properties. As a matter of fact she said something like, "We'll need to do a quick deed title transfer so it's in your name."

I said, "No thanks, Mom".  I'd still be on the hook for taxes, insurances, water, utilities and an $8000 repair that needs to be made before it will pass inspection. The house is four hours away from me and the Zillow estimate is $53K.

Now that's an example of a FREE HOUSE which still doesn't appeal to me.

Because it's my mom, my husband is trying to find a realtor who will sell it for her. She lives out of state.  So far no realtors are even interested enough to call back...oh wait...DH just said one finally called him back today. That only took about 2 months.

My mom has already sunk money into a new roof and flooring on this place. After the 8K foundation repair job, she'll be LUCKY if she clears 20K and that's IF it sells. It may well sit for another X number of years unsold and vacant.

Meh.

Sell it on a land contract to a person that plans on living in it. 8% $5k down, 5 year balloon, $350 a month. No realtor needed, keep all the profits. Make sure you are listed on the property insurance, in case it mysteriously burns down. That's most likely cheaper than any rent even there. He takes care of paying taxes, repairs, all maintenance.

It's win/win. At the end of the 5 years, he'll still owe over $30k he'll have to pay off in a lump, or refinance, or renegotiate with you. IF he can't keep up payments, you can as a last resort foreclose, keep everything he's ever paid, and resell it again.

I've done this (sold) on a house that couldn't be financed with a bank, and it's still going well. they have about 2 years left on the contract.

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 05:19:46 PM »
Hmmm....interesting. Thanks. I'll share this with my mom.

Now that she's out of state and getting older she doesn't want to bother with it any longer (she's owned and rented it out for the past 20 years).

Thanks!

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Re: We Got a Free House!
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2014, 08:30:02 AM »
And its $200,000 price tag all came from net profits on the sales of our 2 previous houses.  We got a "FREE" house, baby!

Oh god, what? No, you didn't get a "free house." You sold two other homes and rolled 21 years worth of equity into your current house...


No, we did not buy our present house with "21 years worth of equity...".  We bought it with profits directly or indirectly resulting from the sale of our 2 previous houses, factoring out equity built up from down payments and from the pay down of loan principal.  And we planned it that way.  Which makes for an interesting -- and hopefully instructive -- story.

We bought our first house in South Florida in 1992, putting down $10,000 against a  $100,000 buy price for a 3 bedroom/2 bath on a standard lot.  In the year 2000, we were able to sell that house for a net $190,000 and walk away with the original $10,000 down payment, $18,000 in paid-in equity, and $62,000 in sale profits.

Even as we closed on the sale of our South Florida house, we bought our second house in Maryland, putting down $40,000 (from the South Florida $90,000 sale proceeds) against a $200,000 buy price for a 4 bedroom/3 bath on two-and-a-half acres.

And we invested the "surplus" $50,000 proceeds from the South Florida sale.  By 2012, that sum had grown to $112,000, producing a further $62,000 profit traceable to the South Florida sale proceeds.

By 2011, even with the real estate market crash, the Maryland house was appraising above $350,000.  And we were ready to make our "free" house maneuver.

I wanted a milder climate.  My wife wanted a more rural setting.  We both wanted to keep the space and access to big-town conveniences that we had in Maryland.  And we both wanted it not to cost us any more out-of-pocket money.

An internet search found us a promising candidate town in Virginia.  A scouting road trip confirmed the town’s ideal fit for our living expectations.  And not too long after that, we were able to make our move.

By then (2012), ownership of the South Florida and Maryland houses had resulted in an aggregate $156,000 in taxable income itemized deductions and a resulting $39,000 in income tax savings.  That $39,000 was extra money in our pockets directly due to the ownership of those houses.  And investment of those funds over the previous 20 years had resulted in another $49,000 in investment profits directly traceable to our ownership of the houses.

We managed to sell the Maryland house for a net $335,000 and walk away with the $40,000 original down payment, $52,000 in paid-in equity, and $43,000 in sale profits.

At that point, we had a war chest that included $62,000 South Florida sale profits, $43,000 Maryland sale profits, $62,000 invested-sale-proceeds profits, $39,000 home ownership tax savings, and $49,000 invested-tax-savings profits.  A total of $255,000.  NOT counting a net cummulative $80,000 of paid-in equity.

And so we took $200,000 from that war chest to buy and totally refurbish our present 3 bedroom/2 bath Virginia home on two-and-a-half acres.  And that sure as hell feels like a "free" house to me.

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Re: We Got a "Free" House!
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 04:14:24 PM »
That's really neat! Thanks for sharing, RTW!

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Re: We Got a "Free" House!
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 04:45:56 PM »
I'm glad that you made a good financial decision, but around here that's still just using equity from one house to pay for another and it isn't free.  I plan to do the same thing, but wouldn't consider my new house free.

I guess I was expecting something else from the thread title.

Regardless, I'm glad you made a good decision that you are happy with.


 

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