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Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« on: August 31, 2015, 09:59:26 AM »
Moved 2/3s of a cord of wood in my 2002 Ford Focus this weekend. Reminded me of the old MMM article http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/12/08/turning-a-little-car-into-a-big-one/  Thought about renting a truck... But obviously decided against it. Thought about using the bike trailer but quickly decided against that. Took 4 trips, very locally. It's amazing what this car can haul... Once put half a ton of sand in it.


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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 10:54:19 AM »
Great job.

We re-floored our house one year and Lowes refused to load laminate into my Civic. They said it was too heavy.  I looked at them and said "yeah, for one trip- but it's not like I can't take any of it." Even though they offered loading they refused to load ANY into my car for "liability".  Um, what? A single box doesn't weigh that much. Heck, even 10 boxes doesn't...

It took a few trips, but we lived a mile from the store. Totally worth it to not rent a truck.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2015, 11:31:53 AM »
A single box doesn't weigh that much. Heck, even 10 boxes doesn't...

The way I see it, it's no different than having 4 fat friends. haha

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2015, 11:50:04 AM »
Hauled a bunch of firewood and brick in my old Civic.  Never did manage to find the bottoming out limit on the suspension!

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 08:49:30 AM »
Love this thread - just picked up 300lbs of free (thanks Kijiji!) composite cement siding and trim yesterday in my 2002 SAAB hatchback.  We just folded down the back seats and slid the front end between the front seats, checking there was enough room for the gear shift, then tied it down, added flagging for the three feet sticking out the hatch and away we went! 

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 09:17:50 AM »
Love filling our cars to the hilt, that is a nice load of firewood there!

 I am starting to get the itch to pick up a 4x8 or 5x10 trailer for carrying stuff like drywall or larger loads of stone etc. It's not so much the weight, the damn size of stuff can be a pain. It sure would be nice to carry ALL the 2x4's in one shot sometimes.

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 01:08:48 PM »
Nice!  I once stopped by a roadside stand on my way home that was selling firewood.  He was selling it by the cord but decided my Civic couldn't hold much so said it would be $5.  I stacked up so much wood we had enough for years (in a very occasional backyard campfire kind of way).  The old guy was so much fun to talk to, was joking he had to charge me a penny in taxes so he'd be on the "up-and-up" and LOL when I fished out a penny along with my $5 bill.  Was so nice talking with him while stacking up the wood.  He said he had no idea it would hold that much but didn't care as it was all free to him and he cut it up with his wood splitter as a retirement job.  Was sad to hear he'd passed away when I went back several years later.

I also stopped on my way home from work every day for a week to load up playground sand for my kids sandbox.  I conservatively only loaded 200lbs in the trunk at a time (four bags) but never had a problem.  Just last month I loaded 12 of those GIGANTIC bags of mulch in the back of our Subaru Forester with both kids in the backseat in carseats.  One had to go between the kids in the backseat but still, that's a lot of mulch.  Now if I could just convince DH to stop mulching by letting our backyard go native I'd have it made!

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 01:25:11 PM »
Love filling our cars to the hilt, that is a nice load of firewood there!

 I am starting to get the itch to pick up a 4x8 or 5x10 trailer for carrying stuff like drywall or larger loads of stone etc. It's not so much the weight, the damn size of stuff can be a pain. It sure would be nice to carry ALL the 2x4's in one shot sometimes.

I bought a used 4x8 8 years ago and use it ALL the time (has a 5 yard, $5 load of mulch sitting in it right now).  Probably one of my best "utilitarian" purchases.  Pulls great and keeps the mess out of the towing vehicle (mostly a Sienna, but starting to use the Corolla now) I simply build it into what I want then change as needed.  I am about to set it up with a canoe rack and gear box for camping/fishing. 

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 07:31:01 AM »
I bought a used 4x8 8 years ago and use it ALL the time (has a 5 yard, $5 load of mulch sitting in it right now).  Probably one of my best "utilitarian" purchases.  Pulls great and keeps the mess out of the towing vehicle (mostly a Sienna, but starting to use the Corolla now) I simply build it into what I want then change as needed.  I am about to set it up with a canoe rack and gear box for camping/fishing.

I would really like to do the same. Any advice for scoring a cheap trailer besides the obvious CL? I really like the Harbor Freight folding model. Maybe I could convince my like minded neighbor to go halvzies on one.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 07:35:57 AM »
I bought a used 4x8 8 years ago and use it ALL the time (has a 5 yard, $5 load of mulch sitting in it right now).  Probably one of my best "utilitarian" purchases.  Pulls great and keeps the mess out of the towing vehicle (mostly a Sienna, but starting to use the Corolla now) I simply build it into what I want then change as needed.  I am about to set it up with a canoe rack and gear box for camping/fishing.

I would really like to do the same. Any advice for scoring a cheap trailer besides the obvious CL? I really like the Harbor Freight folding model. Maybe I could convince my like minded neighbor to go halvzies on one.

Check the reviews but I've heard the HF models have some issues.  Probably fine for around town, but I like the option of using it on road trips.  Mine is more like what they sell at the box stores.   

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 11:08:50 AM »
This reminded me: a couple of weeks ago we went out for a family bike ride. On the way out, DH noticed that a house down the street had a pile of firewood with a free sign on it in their yard. Upon returning home, DH took our twin 4yo girls, their wagon and the wheelbarrow, made three trips and we have enough firewood to last at least half the winter. They all had a blast and it was darn cute, too!

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 11:27:31 AM »
I bought a used 4x8 8 years ago and use it ALL the time (has a 5 yard, $5 load of mulch sitting in it right now).  Probably one of my best "utilitarian" purchases.  Pulls great and keeps the mess out of the towing vehicle (mostly a Sienna, but starting to use the Corolla now) I simply build it into what I want then change as needed.  I am about to set it up with a canoe rack and gear box for camping/fishing.

I would really like to do the same. Any advice for scoring a cheap trailer besides the obvious CL? I really like the Harbor Freight folding model. Maybe I could convince my like minded neighbor to go halvzies on one.

Been thinking the same too, but am hesitant to go HF route as I've used some of their other stuff and have been less-than-impressed on overall quality and durability. Great in a pinch, but not for something I want to keep a long time or use often.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 11:15:48 AM »
One of my coworkers asked me yesterday at a site meeting:
Coworker: Did you break the suspension in the rear of your car?!
Me: No...why?
Coworker: It looks like the rear springs are crushed!
Me: O...I do have 400lbs of cold mix asphalt in the trunk
Coworker: Ha, that would explain it!

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 11:04:19 PM »
Be careful...

Repairing rear axles with torn suspension mounts isn't cheap.

The HF trailers are OK, but the wheel bearings aren't great.

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2015, 07:52:01 AM »
Be careful...

Repairing rear axles with torn suspension mounts isn't cheap.

The HF trailers are OK, but the wheel bearings aren't great.

The fact that you know this leads me to believe you have done some homework. Any suggestions on a 4x8 trailer? I have a subaru so tow capacity is 2,700 lbs. I would like a trailer that can actually carry that much if possible (I guess as a just in case).

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2015, 09:28:23 AM »
The HF trailers are OK, but the wheel bearings aren't great.

And from what I hear, are not a standard size.

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 10:54:07 AM »
First, you don't want to tow 2700lbs without trailer brakes behind a Subaru. So a cheap HF trailer won't work if you want to tow that heavy.

For infrequent use, just get the HF standard. It's acceptable for light use.

I don't really have good suggestions because my wife and I looked at our needs, which involve moving large/heavy things regularly, and towing very heavy (6k+ lbs, 12k+ lbs), and we have a truck. Long bed.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2015, 12:56:03 PM »
Love filling our cars to the hilt, that is a nice load of firewood there!

 I am starting to get the itch to pick up a 4x8 or 5x10 trailer for carrying stuff like drywall or larger loads of stone etc. It's not so much the weight, the damn size of stuff can be a pain. It sure would be nice to carry ALL the 2x4's in one shot sometimes.

I have a 10x5 trailer and love it - as long as you take care of them, they last indefinitely.  Harbor freight has some 8x4 foot ones that are pretty crappy quality, but I scored this one for $899 by stacking a coupon on top of a great sale, before bonus cash back on my card.  In the northeast, it's tough to find a beat up used one for that $$, so I figure I could flip it if I ever wanted to... And it's WAY better than having a truck 24/7 unless you need to get into tight spaces.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2015, 01:13:44 PM »
Be careful...

Repairing rear axles with torn suspension mounts isn't cheap.


Sounds like you speak from experience.  How did it happen?

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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »
Sounds like you speak from experience.  How did it happen?

I had a Dodge Dynasty that regularly had it's (insanely huge) trunk filled with lots of stuff - college moves, mostly.  Eventually, I had to get the rear dead axle welded up, because the suspension mount tabs were tearing off.

Basically, I'm arguing that if you're going to run a vehicle radically above it's GVWR, you should know what you're doing, and "because it fits" does not mean you're within GVWR.

A Honda Fit, depending on year and options, has a gap between curb weight and GVWR of 700-900 lbs, and while I can't find a sticker, most cars are rated for front/rear max axle loads as well - and usually not that much on the rear axle.

700 lbs, minus driver, isn't that much firewood.  Oak weighs in at around 45 lbs/cu-ft.

The Fit, according to Honda at http://automobiles.honda.com/fit/specifications.aspx, has:

Cargo Volume — Seat Up: 16.6 cu ft
Cargo Volume — Seat Down: 52.7 cu ft

If you've got 500 lbs of actual payload capacity after driver and 60 lbs of gasoline, that's about 11 cubic feet of wood to fill ti to capacity.  Even at a poor 50% packing efficiency, if you've got the seats down, you've got 26 cu ft of wood, or 1170 lbs of wood, plus driver.  Whoops.  And if you can get the wood crammed in tightly, you can get a lot more in.  Tightly packed at 75% efficiency, you're looking at almost 1800 lbs of wood.

Even pine is still 35 lbs/cu ft.

Feel free to run your vehicles radically over gross if you want.  It's probably fine.  But be aware that you're doing it.

For the OP, it looks like a cord is typically 85-ish cu ft of wood, so you got about 56 cu ft total, in 4 trips, so around 600-700 lbs/trip, depending on the wood.  Plus driver & fuel, possibly passenger, it's a good bet you were over GVWR.  Almost certainly with 1000 lbs of sand.

Just because it fits does not mean the vehicle can carry it or that it's a good idea.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2015, 04:18:09 PM »
Um yeah.  I used to have a 1990 Toyota pickup.  One load of firewood (totally full) pretty much ate the springs on that truck.  I should have replaced them, but never did.  That crap is heavy.

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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2015, 05:18:55 PM »
That's some pretty badass hauling!

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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2015, 06:58:16 AM »
First, you don't want to tow 2700lbs without trailer brakes behind a Subaru. So a cheap HF trailer won't work if you want to tow that heavy.

For infrequent use, just get the HF standard. It's acceptable for light use.

I don't really have good suggestions because my wife and I looked at our needs, which involve moving large/heavy things regularly, and towing very heavy (6k+ lbs, 12k+ lbs), and we have a truck. Long bed.

That's a very good point. I am used to using my family's trucks / trailers and did not consider the trailer brake thing. So thank you for ensuring that I don't destroy my brakes!

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2015, 11:12:13 AM »
I used to haul manure for my garden in my corolla, filled the trunk with recycle bins lined with plastic bags and filled those up.  This was after a roommate with a truck declined to do the manure run cause he didn't want to get the truck all stinky!

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2015, 03:22:49 PM »
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For the OP, it looks like a cord is typically 85-ish cu ft of wood...

A cord (actually a legal unit-of-measure) is 4x4x8, or 128 cubic ft.  So a cord of oak comes out to a whopping 5760 lbs (assuming 100% packing efficiency).

Have mercy on your drivetrain and suspension and don't treat a passenger car like a work truck.

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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2015, 05:46:10 PM »
A cord (actually a legal unit-of-measure) is 4x4x8, or 128 cubic ft.  So a cord of oak comes out to a whopping 5760 lbs (assuming 100% packing efficiency).

Have mercy on your drivetrain and suspension and don't treat a passenger car like a work truck.

Yes, but it's not 100% packing efficiency - not even close.  My 85 cu ft was based on a number of sources that estimated the *actual* wood content in a cord of wood.

But, yes, "Don't load a passenger car like a full ton truck" remains a valid comment.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2015, 05:58:24 PM »
A cord (actually a legal unit-of-measure) is 4x4x8, or 128 cubic ft.  So a cord of oak comes out to a whopping 5760 lbs (assuming 100% packing efficiency).

Have mercy on your drivetrain and suspension and don't treat a passenger car like a work truck.

Yes, but it's not 100% packing efficiency - not even close.  My 85 cu ft was based on a number of sources that estimated the *actual* wood content in a cord of wood.

But, yes, "Don't load a passenger car like a full ton truck" remains a valid comment.

And if you look at the way a whole bunch of those guys stack wood... 85ft^3 might be a little optimistic.

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2015, 07:06:36 AM »
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And if you look at the way a whole bunch of those guys stack wood... 85ft^3 might be a little optimistic.

Well, this guy has got it pretty tight:


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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2015, 08:09:59 AM »
@CMG, what a fantastic photo! In Norway, there was a book a couple of years ago about firewood, the process, how people in different parts of the country stack it differently, the tools - about everything related really. It became an instant bestseller:
http://www.larsmytting.net/Hel_ved.html

I used to get firewood in my 1971 Volvo 145:

Now I can buy imported firewood that is so cheap, everytime I'd lift a finger I'd be in the red. :o Sort of miss it though.

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2015, 08:30:02 AM »
@CMG, what a fantastic photo! In Norway, there was a book a couple of years ago about firewood, the process, how people in different parts of the country stack it differently, the tools - about everything related really. It became an instant bestseller:
http://www.larsmytting.net/Hel_ved.html


Yeah I heard about Hel Ved a few years ago, been waiting for an English translation since.

I also watched several hours (of the 12 hour running time) of NRK's National Firewood Night (despite not speaking Norwegian!)
https://tv.nrk.no/serie/nasjonal-vedkveld/DVNR30003513/15-02-2013
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2015, 08:38:37 AM »
Haha, so you're fully aware of the weird side of Norwegian tv. The fire you refer to was filmed about 5km from where I lived as a student.

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2015, 12:55:27 PM »
Around here its been shingles lately. I was afraid of overloading the little utility trailer, but then on my last trip to the dump with old shingles, I came in at just over 1,000 lbs. Guess its OK to just load 'er up.

Apparently the mini van can also manage 1000 lbs of cargo in the back. We've been doing 15 bundles at a time, not realizing how heavy they were. (66 lbs each).

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2015, 03:42:23 PM »
Overloading should usually not be much trouble. Just drive carefully so you don't destroy shocks and brakes. Here's another Volvo I've had loaded with 650kg of tiles, and, later, two grownups:

My current minivan will take 500kg of firewood and look tired, but everything works as intended. Only speed bumps become an issue:

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2015, 03:55:01 PM »
Overloading should usually not be much trouble.

[citation needed]

The car manufacturer puts a gross vehicle weight rating on the vehicles for a reason.

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2015, 04:02:02 PM »
Overloading should usually not be much trouble.

[citation needed]

The car manufacturer puts a gross vehicle weight rating on the vehicles for a reason.

Agreed - but some of the issues with overloading (suspension and headlights especially) can be overcome with an airbag kit if you regularly tow/load heavy stuff. For $150 you can increase your capacity by oodles.

https://www.airliftcompany.com/shop/60732/

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2015, 05:11:07 PM »
Uh huh.  Find me anyone who talks about how much they can put in their hatchback who has retrofitted with airbags.

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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2015, 12:51:12 PM »
Agreed - but some of the issues with overloading (suspension and headlights especially) can be overcome with an airbag kit if you regularly tow/load heavy stuff. For $150 you can increase your capacity by oodles.

https://www.airliftcompany.com/shop/60732/

I am picturing an airbagged minivan loaded up with white oak sliding through an intersection with tires fully locked. But officer, it wasn't overloaded because it was level!

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2015, 07:40:54 AM »
Agreed - but some of the issues with overloading (suspension and headlights especially) can be overcome with an airbag kit if you regularly tow/load heavy stuff. For $150 you can increase your capacity by oodles.

https://www.airliftcompany.com/shop/60732/

I am picturing an airbagged minivan loaded up with white oak sliding through an intersection with tires fully locked. But officer, it wasn't overloaded because it was level!

If you can still fully lock the tires, you are probably okay.  I would worry more about brake fade from overheating.

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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2015, 10:20:35 AM »
I am picturing an airbagged minivan loaded up with white oak sliding through an intersection with tires fully locked. But officer, it wasn't overloaded because it was level!
Oh, the wild imagination of the mustache community... =8^)
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2015, 10:39:28 AM »
Agreed - but some of the issues with overloading (suspension and headlights especially) can be overcome with an airbag kit if you regularly tow/load heavy stuff. For $150 you can increase your capacity by oodles.

https://www.airliftcompany.com/shop/60732/

I am picturing an airbagged minivan loaded up with white oak sliding through an intersection with tires fully locked. But officer, it wasn't overloaded because it was level!

If you can still fully lock the tires, you are probably okay.  I would worry more about brake fade from overheating.

Agreed. Considering that skid/slide movements are a function of the coefficient of friction between asphalt and rubber, and that increased loading will act to increase friction and reduce likelihood of a skid/slide, the more probable outcome would be that the oak flooring would end up in the front seat crushing the driver. At least that was what happened when an Astrovan with a load of tile took a hit near here. The investigation was... messy.

Note that I never condoned overloading only stated that the van could carry a lot more than without them. We regularly pull a trailer with our van (tow capacity 3500 lbs, trailer weight 1300 lbs) and we have moved a roof's worth of shingles with it 1000 lbs at a time. We aren't overloaded, but we are putting a lot of weight on the rear axle. The air bags correct that.

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2015, 10:55:03 AM »

Agreed. Considering that skid/slide movements are a function of the coefficient of friction between asphalt and rubber, and that increased loading will act to increase friction and reduce likelihood of a skid/slide

I was going to argue the shit out of this and then found out I was wrong in normal situations. So yea, just overactive imagination apparently :).

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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2015, 11:06:27 AM »

Agreed. Considering that skid/slide movements are a function of the coefficient of friction between asphalt and rubber, and that increased loading will act to increase friction and reduce likelihood of a skid/slide

I was going to argue the shit out of this and then found out I was wrong in normal situations. So yea, just overactive imagination apparently :).

Thanks for this. I appreciate it when someone takes the time to post their correction rather than leaving the error.

It is uber important though that loose loads (like flooring, tile, dump debris, firewood, etc.) be secured because just one of those logs ending up in the frontseat will be a bad story whether it hits the gearshift, goes in the footwell, or hits the driver in the head.
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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2015, 11:57:06 AM »

Agreed. Considering that skid/slide movements are a function of the coefficient of friction between asphalt and rubber, and that increased loading will act to increase friction and reduce likelihood of a skid/slide

I was going to argue the shit out of this and then found out I was wrong in normal situations. So yea, just overactive imagination apparently :).

Took a lot of evidence to convince me that narrower tires on my tractor would provide better traction on snow and ice.  I was looking for bigger tires with larger contact patches before I eventually went with the smaller (and cheaper) ones, added a pile of ballast weight and have never looked back.  I can second that coefficients of friction are very real!     

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Re: Turning a Little Car Into a Big One - Firewood Hauling
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2015, 12:49:19 PM »
For those looking for a reasonable quality cheap trailer to tow behind a small car, take a look at Tractor Supply.  I paid ~$500 for my 4x6 trailer and tow it regularly behind my Prius.  It has a lot of highway miles at reasonable speed and the wheel bearings have been great.  It has 13" wheels and I recently bought new wheels and tires for it after a blowout while travelling for about $45 apiece.

I will not tell you to emulate me in this regard, but I took a load of brick to the landfill last week with this trailer.  I knew it was ridiculously heavy but it was balanced well, compact (built like a brick shithouse!) and I drove quite slowly on the (flat) route to the landfill.  When I went across the scales leaving, the lady inside read the number and stuck her head out of the window for the classic double take.  2200 lbs!  I am going to try to not get that ridiculous again..

 

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