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Evildunk99

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Seasonality
« on: July 01, 2021, 10:11:54 AM »
I recently returned home from an out of state wedding, when it dawned on me that my ability to save is a bit harder in the summer months compared to the rest of the year.  Does anyone have some badassity tips they might use in this regard? 

Summer leads to a general uptick in weddings, trips, casual get togethers, home repair projects (especially exterior ones), activities for the kids, etc.  I am still saving a good amount of money during the summer, but I do notice a dip compared to the other 9 months of the year.  I tend to save the most during winter.

Is seasonality something that should just be built into annual expectations, or does anyone apply changes to mitigate the effects?  FWIW I am located in the mid-atlantic.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2021, 10:45:30 AM »
My grocery spend always gets higher in the summer/fall as I buy a ton of extra fruits and veggies for canning.  It somehow always surprises me when I see the spike, but it averages out over the winter when we're buying less and eating from stock.

I wouldn't try to delay or decline gatherings that naturally cluster in the summer, as long as you're genuinely enjoying them and not just going out of obligation.  Just set an annual budget for travel/gifts/whatnot and let it average out over the course of the year.

I'm growing to like leaning in to seasonality more and more these days.  It's a more natural and connected way to live, with summer and fall being the busy seasons and winter being more relaxed and homey.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2021, 11:00:07 AM »
2 years ago I challenged myself to only eat seasonal and 90% local for one year. I researched ahead of time and made up my own list of foods roughly by the month of seasonality. This meant no cucumbers or tomatoes in January, for example. Winter was mainly certain greens, like kale, as well as storage veggies like onions, carrots, squashes, parsnips, etc.

The result was lower grocery bills, and a much greater appreciation for those first fruits and vegetables of summer. I no longer eat strictly seasonal or local, but the knowledge is now in my subconscious so menu and grocery planning follows the seasons more closely and my grocery bill has not creeped up much since the experiment.

** Full disclosure: I do live in a coastal region with a nearly year around growing season. Eating seasonally without a lot of food preservation would be more difficult in somewhere like North Dakota.

As for events, I plan in the winter for the events of summer, and I keep winter events cheaper to make up for summer expenses. If I know I will need an outfit for a summer wedding next year, for example, I would either begin shopping second hand throughout winter for it or I would shop the year end summer sales the year before. I plan vacations in fall, so I can watch for deals throughout winter (example, a cabin resort in an area we were planning to travel one year had a black Friday sale - book your summer trip at winter prices, one day only). I also purposefully plan for less expensive winter stuff. Save eating out al fresco at a favorite restaurant when we have summer visitors, in winter plan for inexpensive potlucks with friends inside our cozy homes instead.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2021, 01:10:35 PM »
I just calculate my savings rate by year to avoid the month to month fluctuations. When I had the big house I paid a lot of my bills annually so checking to see how I did each month was pointless.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2021, 02:01:27 PM »
We've tracked our budget for years and noticed that December and June were our two most expensive months every year. We realized this was because of travel and gift giving so we created savings categories for these and contribute every month. Now those two months are no longer an issue because we budgeted for it. So if annual home improvement projects are eating at your budget try creating a savings category for them.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2021, 02:12:25 PM »
Like Socaso I have seperate buckets for travel and home improvement.

In Australia summer includes the Christmas season and there are definitely more social events to pay for, but I don’t worry because I know things will balance out over the year.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2021, 12:36:53 PM »
Thanks for the responses, I think my assumptions about seasonality were largely correct.  I will look into the local produce per season idea!

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2021, 08:26:28 AM »
"Expectations" is right. I'm of the opinion that I will likely no longer attend weddings. Travel and lodgings for weddings is typically much more expensive. Plus, I don't actually like weddings (I don't drink or eat most of the food) and typically the person I'm there for is too busy to see me more than briefly, even if they're a close friend. If I care enough about the person, I'll visit during a time I can actually spend some quality time with them.

As for gifts, those don't have to be expensive either.

To some extent, you have the ability to meet expectations in different ways, or set what those expectations are.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2021, 10:51:27 PM »
I’ve also found this, definitely more travel and recreation spending in the summer months, as well as some expenses that are paid for the entire year that come up in late spring to early fall.  On top of that I work a seasonal job where I have 3 months off in the winter, during which I find it a lot easier to diy stuff/delay spending/avoid eating out etc when I don’t have to be out working all day, and so I’m naturally less spendy when I’m mini-FIREd every winter.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2021, 06:51:49 AM »
Well, there are two different questions here.

1: Do some seasons correlate with higher spending?
2: Is this a problem?

The answer to number 1 is probably yes for almost anyone who lives in a region with significant seasonal changes. That doesn't mean that any of the increased spending is a problem though.

I do all of my home reno projects in the summer, but they're planned expenses. When they happen is irrelevant to how I feel about spending on them.

Yes, I go out more in the summer, but I'm happy to, because winters are so harsh here, it's a pleasure to make the most of being able to meet up with people easily when there's no snow and the sun is up past 4pm.

If you are only spending on the things that matter to you, then it doesn't matter that some of them occur more during certain months. I don't see it as saving less during those months, I see an overall savings rate where certain higher save months offset certain lower save months.

If you are overall happy with your spending, then who cares what the fluctuations are?

The question is, are you happy with your spending. Are these increases during certain times stressing you because you're actually uncomfortable with your current financial priorities?

Figure out what the source of the actual discomfort is, because it can't just be the seasonality; that makes no sense.

For example, I don't go to many weddings and I don't generally give gifts to anyone over 18. So that makes Christmas and "wedding season" pretty easy.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2021, 03:09:03 AM »
For our family we spend more money in Summer because we are way more active and entertain or are being entertained more. But that is as you said 3 months of the year and still come in budget. For the other 9 months barring some one off we usually come under or at Budget. But we have a budget or category for everything. While I know by heart pretty much our spend by checking and entering things that automatically get placed in there category it forces me to look at our budget and hence reels in a lot of unnecessary spending. I don't see it as a problem if for the year if you come in budget or under.

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2021, 10:35:09 PM »
Well, there are two different questions here.

1: Do some seasons correlate with higher spending?
2: Is this a problem?

The answer to number 1 is probably yes for almost anyone who lives in a region with significant seasonal changes. That doesn't mean that any of the increased spending is a problem though.

I do all of my home reno projects in the summer, but they're planned expenses. When they happen is irrelevant to how I feel about spending on them.

Yes, I go out more in the summer, but I'm happy to, because winters are so harsh here, it's a pleasure to make the most of being able to meet up with people easily when there's no snow and the sun is up past 4pm.

If you are only spending on the things that matter to you, then it doesn't matter that some of them occur more during certain months. I don't see it as saving less during those months, I see an overall savings rate where certain higher save months offset certain lower save months.

If you are overall happy with your spending, then who cares what the fluctuations are?

The question is, are you happy with your spending. Are these increases during certain times stressing you because you're actually uncomfortable with your current financial priorities?

Figure out what the source of the actual discomfort is, because it can't just be the seasonality; that makes no sense.

For example, I don't go to many weddings and I don't generally give gifts to anyone over 18. So that makes Christmas and "wedding season" pretty easy.


Generally speaking I am happy with my level of spending, and the summer months don't necessarily cause stress - I was checking to see if there are any hacks that I could implement in order to smooth out my saving rate consistency from season to season (such as your approach to gift giving, eating seasonal foods, etc.)

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Re: Seasonality
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2021, 06:57:34 AM »
Why would you need to hack a consistent savings rate if you are happy with your spending and not stressed by the variations?

If you are looking to save more, then you aren't happy with your spending, no?

Or do you just mean that you arbitrarily want your monthly savings rate to appear more even, while spending the same amount?

I guess I'm confused by your motivation, which is why I asked the questions I did. But now I'm even more confused.