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Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« on: June 02, 2014, 05:34:21 PM »
Just replaced my water heater... old one was leaking, and I decided to give a crack at replacing it myself. Took about an hour. Seriously. People get paid $100/hr to do this stuff???

Out with the old, in with the new. Going to pull the elements from the old heater as spares.

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 05:42:45 PM »
Great work! Do you know how much you saved by doing it yourself?

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 06:00:30 PM »
Well, congrats on doing it yourself. 

BUT.

Your electrician should be fired.  I know, you probably did it yourself.  The wire nut connections have to be in a box and covered.  The yellow wire needs a strain relief/bushing where it enters the water heater.  Really it should be in conduit.  So, to be honest, you're not done yet.

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 06:10:10 PM »
What Greg said. 

I just put an entire PEX system into a house that we just bought.  The thieves that stole the AC unit were kind enough to steal the copper plumbing while they were at it.  If I remember, I'll snag a few photos.

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 06:42:41 PM »
Yes its easy but exposed wire nuts an no strain relief are no-nos.

Will only half an hour to add a box and clamp nuts

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 05:05:48 AM »
Yes, the wiring is a mess... this is in a mobile home, so just about everything is sub-standard. I don't think there's conduit anywhere. It would require a complete re-wire to fix those issues, and that's something I'm not ready to tackle.

I'll definitely look into eliminating the wire nuts, though. That should be pretty easy.

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 06:23:01 AM »
As a Master plumber, I commend you on your effort.  It is expensive to install a water heater.  I mostly do industrial/heavy commercial, so I don't know all the details of residential.  I did work for myself briefly, though, doing this.

When I did it for myself, there was enough time involved with loading/unloading water heaters (to be cost effective, you usually did 3-4/ day, with a helper) that you are running from one to the next, then dumping the old ones all when finished (obviously you don't want the old one, right?). 4 heaters needs to equal 16 hours labor (2 guys, 8 apiece), gas for the vehicle (sorry, a full size van can barely carry 4 OLD water heaters, with tools, parts, etc you'll need to get a new one in anywhere), and considering PREVAILING wage in my area is about 20/hr for a plumber (I make more than that, BTW; I wouldn't do my job for that little. Sorry-I value my time/exp), plus 5/hr for benefits, plus 7/hr for a helper (2/hr benefits?), you must pull a permit for each (here-25/ea. You may not have to, since you did it yourself, but they may require an inspection), a few parts (20/ea), gas (est. 150 miles-My metro is urban spawl paradise-@ 11mi/gal, 3.50/gal cost=50 bucks about), if you charge 200 apiece (also low) you'll make about 300 in profit a day (roughly).  Now, I didn't add in any other overhead, like keeping the lights on in your office, the phone on to schedule, internet for invoicing/contacting clients, advertising (yellowpage ad can be 50 dollars/mo starting, ONE billboard 3-600/mo), insuring (or paying for) the van, bonding, renewing your license, etc. But you can see things can go from decent to horrible very quickly, since you're going to have days you aren't fully booked, and you're still going to pay your help (probably yourself, too?) or they won't be sticking around.  I'm not wanting to necessarily justify the cost to you, just explaining what figures into it.

These costs are typically higher when you work for yourself, because you can't spread it over a bunch of work being done my many people under you; it's just you.  And, I'm sure there are plumbers out there who don't have the stuff they're supposed to have to do their work; i.e., a masters' license (needed here but not everywhere), the permit for the job, bonding to cover the job, etc., to save cost to themselves, maybe a little to you.  But, we also want to keep in mind we wouldn't work for free ourselves.  You just think if you could do what you just did in under 90 minutes (leaving 30 minutes travel time), 4 times a day, in basements, in attics, in crawlspaces, and then ask yourself how much you would want for your trouble. 40 bucks seem like enough for what you did?

This is why I don't do it anymore; I personally didn't make any money on any of my jobs, and I didn't have much work anyway.  But, residental is much different from industrial.  I've never pulled PEX in a refinery for running chemicals around.  I wouldn't work in one that did.  But, everyone wants to pay their bills and earn a fair amount of money.  Just don't assume ALL of that installation cost is on the check.  Even in big residential plumbing companies, their employees (the plumbers) don't get most of that money; it's mostly overhead.  If you can't afford (or don't want) to pay somebody, it doesn't hurt to do it yourself.

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 08:49:30 AM »
Yes, the wiring is a mess... this is in a mobile home, so just about everything is sub-standard. I don't think there's conduit anywhere. It would require a complete re-wire to fix those issues, and that's something I'm not ready to tackle.

I'll definitely look into eliminating the wire nuts, though. That should be pretty easy.

Where the wire nuts are, put a 1-gang plastic box there, one that will slip onto the pipe (conduit) coming out of the floor.  Then use 3/4" conduit from there to the tank, and use the correct end there that will A) clamp the wire and B) secure to the cover plate.  Often short lengths like you need can be found at a salvage yard.  Another option is the pre-wired conduit if you have to buy new conduit.  The idea is to get the romex into something that protects it, that's all.  Blank cover plate on the 1-gang box and you're done. :)

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Re: Get Rich With: Doing your own plumbing repairs
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 04:08:18 PM »
Yes, the wiring is a mess... this is in a mobile home, so just about everything is sub-standard. I don't think there's conduit anywhere. It would require a complete re-wire to fix those issues, and that's something I'm not ready to tackle.

I'll definitely look into eliminating the wire nuts, though. That should be pretty easy.

Where the wire nuts are, put a 1-gang plastic box there, one that will slip onto the pipe (conduit) coming out of the floor.  Then use 3/4" conduit from there to the tank, and use the correct end there that will A) clamp the wire and B) secure to the cover plate.  Often short lengths like you need can be found at a salvage yard.  Another option is the pre-wired conduit if you have to buy new conduit.  The idea is to get the romex into something that protects it, that's all.  Blank cover plate on the 1-gang box and you're done. :)


The splice needs to be placed in a legitimate electrical box, that is properly secured to the wall. The romex can leave the box using a typical romex connector and run to the junction box on the heater. In most code jurisdictions the is no requirement for anything but romex to the heater. In fact, if you run into a strict code official, they will flunk any installation involving Romex running inside of conduit, since it is technically a code violation. BTW, if you are doing a new electric water heater, or a replacement in a really tough enforcement area, current codes call for a disconnect to shut the power off to the unit. This has to be clearly visible, close to the HWH, and clearly labeled. The best way to do this is with a non-fused 30 amp, air conditioner disconnect. They are stupid cheap at Home Depot.

 

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