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« on: August 22, 2014, 08:48:59 AM »
My wife and I used to drink 1-2 bottles of wine per night. So let's call it 1.5 * 5 nights a week. So 7.5 bottles /week. Or 390 bottles a year. At av avg price of 4 bucks a bottle we will be saving 1600 a year on alcohol alone. Our after tax income is ~100k. So this should increase our savings rate by 1.6%.
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Re: no weeknight alcohol
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 08:52:27 AM »
BOOM, way to go dude! I've instituted a similar rule, though I make exception for good tequila on Tequila Thursdays. No beer or wine though, cost/buzz is too darn high!

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 08:56:59 AM »
My wife and I used to drink 1-2 bottles of wine per night. So let's call it 1.5 * 5 nights a week. So 7.5 bottles /week. Or 390 bottles a year. At av avg price of 4 bucks a bottle we will be saving 1600 a year on alcohol alone. Our after tax income is ~100k. So this should increase our savings rate by 1.6%.

I've literally this month stopped my weeknight drinking. The savings are pretty awesome and the health benefits should be good too. I recall reading that your liver can regenerate if given a few days rest so it's never good to keep the constant alcohol tap on.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 10:09:05 AM »
Great job, we have been working on implementing this at our house too.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 10:52:20 AM »
I like this idea, I have been gradually drinking less over time, especially on weekdays, however I think I will follow your lead and completely cut out alcohol during the week, both for the health and money benefits. Thanks for the push!

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2014, 12:05:28 PM »
I generally try to follow this rule.  It's more of a treat on weekends that way.  Plus, I don't like drinking every day anyway.

But I also like the 80/20 rule applied to rules (try to follow the plan at least 80% of the time).  That way you don't beat yourself up if you violate your rules occasionally!

 

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2014, 12:19:10 PM »
Nice!!

I used to come home every day from work and have a beer.  This site made me think, "What am I doing that for?!  It's just a habit."  Plus, it was just throwing unnecessary calories (almost a full can of brown beans) at me before supper.  So, I placated the habit with no-name diet soda.  Beer is pretty expensive where I live (Ontario).  It squashed a $1.66 habit down to a $0.20.  Hell, that's $530 savings a year!  I know, I know...  Diet soda is horrible as well.  I'll kill that pest one of these days too.

Also knocked off weekly Thursday night pub visits.  There was really no need for that if I'm going to stop by for a pint or two on a Friday or Saturday anyway.  The extra night of socializing really wasn't making me any happier overall.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 01:23:23 PM »
No weeknight alcohol...yeah, that's not gonna happen :-)

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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 09:34:26 AM »
This year my wife and I decided to give up alcohol for a whole year - I used to have a few drinks about 3 times a week - overdoing it on Saturdays and recovering on Sundays. I have the tendency to binge drink - but I do not turn into an idiot or anything, just take a while to recover these days. Last year gave up smoking (at long last), so decided to give up drinking, but just for the year and so far so good - have been using Sundays for motorcycle rides. When we do go back to drinking we will only have one glass when ever we want a drink, no more, but if I cannot handle that, will just give it up for good.

Already bought 96 bottles of mainly merlot and some pinotage on special at a local wine estate - $1.20 per bottle - so that should do for a while!

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 10:03:11 AM »
I just started doing the same thing earlier this year and we would also consume a bottle or two a night.

I've lost weight, feel better, and have more energy for productive things in the evenings. We're also spending about $200 less per month because of it (face punch to past self). Now, I look forward to a bottle on the weekends and appreciate what I do drink all the more.

It's a good policy.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 10:42:06 AM »
Wow, one or two bottles of wine a night?  That's a lot.  I still drink on weeknights, but never more than one drink.  I like beer, so I buy macro-brews in 30 can cases for $24, which works out to 80 cents per can.  Honestly, when it comes down to it, there really isn't much difference between macro-brew and micro-brew other than price and hipsterism, plus it's usually easier to find macro-brew in cans.  Canned beer stays good longer because it isn't impacted by light like bottled beer, canned beer is cheaper, and it tastes better as long as you pour it into a glass for drinking so you don't smell the metal of the can (which is usually the reason many people think canned beer doesn't taste as good.)  I make a case last a month and it is really nice and doesn't affect my financial plans in the slightest.

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 10:56:50 AM »
Nice, just make sure you don't end up consuming all your drinks for the week in two nights.    That can be more harmful than just having 2 drinks a night.

Still, a worthy endeavor.    Good job.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 12:39:28 PM »
We have stopped drinking during the week (usually had one drink apiece) and pretty much just drink on weekends if it is some kind of holiday. It saves a fortune, and I find that the cup of tea I now have around 4 pm every day is relaxing yet gives a bit of an energy boost for the oncoming evening. I don't miss the alcohol at all, but I'm not a purist--if I felt like it all of a sudden, or if I was at a friend's house and was offered it, I would not hesitate to have the drink.

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2014, 12:59:05 PM »
Wow, one or two bottles of wine a night?  That's a lot.  I still drink on weeknights, but never more than one drink.  I like beer, so I buy macro-brews in 30 can cases for $24, which works out to 80 cents per can.  Honestly, when it comes down to it, there really isn't much difference between macro-brew and micro-brew other than price and hipsterism, plus it's usually easier to find macro-brew in cans.  Canned beer stays good longer because it isn't impacted by light like bottled beer, canned beer is cheaper, and it tastes better as long as you pour it into a glass for drinking so you don't smell the metal of the can (which is usually the reason many people think canned beer doesn't taste as good.)  I make a case last a month and it is really nice and doesn't affect my financial plans in the slightest.

Wow, lets see.    A bottle of wine between 2 people might sound like a ton to Americans, but it's the norm in a lot of countries where people live longer than we do (see France and Italy).    You're only talking 2.5 drinks a person.

It's hard to argue about what tastes good with another person, some people chose McDonalds over a freshly ground grass fed chuck burger cooked over oak.    I tend to think they're philistines, but again, who am I to judge.   Same goes with beer.    I tend to think beer shouldn't be made out of things like rice and corn, that good beer has an assertive flavor, that it isn't simply an ice cold (which numbs your taste buds) alcohol delivery device.    In fact, if I could buy Dogfish Head 90 min IPA without alcohol (but still with the same flavor) I'd drink it for breakfast.     Well made spirits, food and other consumables are IMHO placed on this planet to reinforce why life is such a gift.     Bud, Miller, Coors simply reinforces the idea that alcohol is a means of achieving altered states, not a celebration of flavor and life.    I don't think that's hipster, and most of the people I see in my local brewpub are 50+ overweight guys wearing pleated Dockers.

You can buy LOTS of microbrew in cans.    Oskar Blues, Avery, Ska, my local microbrewery all produce cans of good beer in the Denver area.    I find these are best for situations like camping or park drinking where it's difficult to pack beer in and out.    Yes, clear bottles will skunk beer.   Dark brown bottles don't really let light in though, especially if you keep them in a box until you're ready to use them.    I have some 4 year old Applewine that I bottled and keep in my basement, it still tastes great.    Ditto for a lot of the homebrew I bottled before I had a keg setup.

You can drink good beer on the cheap.    I made 5.5 gallons of Bavarian hefewieizen for about $30 (and I could have made it cheaper with a few hacks).   I did 5 gallons of IPA for about $35.    I think that's cheaper than even BMC suitcase offerings.

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2014, 04:18:07 PM »
A bottle of wine between 2 people is 2 glasses each. My wine works out to 1 per glass similar to your 80c. And you can't argue taste.  Mainstream bulk beer tastes like water. When I have a choice between it and water I actually drink water who needs the extra calories from a beer that tastes like nothing. Craft beers have real flavor.  My favorite joke I heard the other day was a guy saying he'd drink IPA. Go to the bathroom and you could just drink that for your mainstream big box beer. But it may have too much flavor for ya

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2014, 05:18:32 PM »
Earlier this year we got in the habit of drinking 1-2 bottles a week, leaning more toward the 2 bottles as time went on.  We were buying the cheapest decent wine we can get here, which is around $7-8/bottle, so that is around $15/week or roughly $750/year.  We can afford it, but it pushes the grocery bill average up and it was conflicting with my weightloss goals, so I stopped recently.  May eventually go back to a bottle or two a month.

Give some of the new box wines a try.   They're absolutely fine as a table wine and they're half the price of what you're paying.    I like Bota's Redveloution blend...about $20 after tax in Denver.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2014, 12:45:38 PM »
I agree on the box wines, some are quite good (and excellent value). I originally tried them for camping and now occasionally get them to accompany dinner. The value comes from them being 1L for the same or less than a 750mL bottle. French Rabbit pinot noir is the best one I've found available locally, but I haven't tried many. I also like the lower waste aspect: lower weight and higher packing density for shipping, and our local recycling now takes tetra packs so I don't even have to store them and make a special trip any more.

I'm trying for the no-weeknight rule too, with some misses along the way. That usually means Friday and Saturday are ok, and Sunday if we have company.

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2014, 03:21:30 PM »
20 dollar for 3 bottles of wine is over 6 dollars almost 7 a bottle... thats alot for wine.  aldi has a tempranillo i'll spring for when i want to splurge on a 5 dollar bottle...

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »
Just started no beer for a year.  Honestly,  I'm pretty sure people drink for the buzz.  So I am now buying mccormics triple distilled vodka for five bucks a bottle..  There are 17 drinks in a bottle.  Mix it with water over ice and it taste good.   I pretty much stick to several drinks on Saturday.    So about 100 bucks a year.

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2014, 10:51:50 PM »
I have ONE glass of wine per night. Just one. And it costs me $150 a month. I buy $5 a bottle Australian juice.






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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2014, 08:09:15 AM »
Regarding box wine...10 years ago it was the butt of a lot of jokes.  Now, it's actually pretty good, very drinkable.  We like Black Box, especially the chardonnay. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2014, 08:35:55 AM »
I kind of do the opposite of this these days.  I don't need much energy to get through the work day, but I need a LOT on weekend days, now that I am getting up early on Saturdays and Sundays to train for an endurance event.  It's only during the week that I'll risk a mild hangover (3 or even 2 drinks can make me feel extra tired the next morning, even when I stop 3 hours before bed as recommended).

I like the work hard, play hard mentality though.  In terms of bikes and beer, not like, stockbrokers doing coke. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 09:21:27 AM »
20 dollar for 3 bottles of wine is over 6 dollars almost 7 a bottle... thats alot for wine.  aldi has a tempranillo i'll spring for when i want to splurge on a 5 dollar bottle...

The box wine I was referring to is 4 bottles for $20 (after tax).    Really, even $6-7 for a bottle of wine isn't bad and it's hard to find anything cheaper that's drinkable (you may like Carlo Rossi, but I don't).     Grocery stores don't carry alcohol above 3.2% in Colorado, so $5 Trader Joes wines are difficult to come by.

I do box wine or home brew beer.   I can home brew for less than $.50 a beer if I'm careful, and it's comparable to a $10 six pack.    I could home brew wine, but it takes forever to mature and I don't think I could get it below $5 a bottle.    Though, from what I understand most of the kit wines are comparable to a $20 bottle for $5 a bottle.

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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 09:42:31 AM »
I have to kind of laugh at the prices quoted here.  If you can find a 15 pack of beer in Saskatchewan for less the $30-35 you are doing very good.  The micro brewery where I used to but was 35 for a 6 pack(although they were 651ml not the 355 of a can) but still.

I have recently found that home brew is super easy and not too expencive($55 for 23L or $1.44 for the 651 ml bottle aprox)  so I have started doing that.  I wish that we had cheaper options here, but we dont.

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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 10:10:14 AM »
i can see the issues with grocery stores not carrying booze... i'm a big fan of aldi's booze as stated above at 5 bucks a bottle for an oak aged tempranillo.  fish eye shiraz is a good value... as is woodbridge zin... which will go on sale in the the double bottle for 8-10 buck once a month at my grocery store

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 10:15:00 AM »
i can see the issues with grocery stores not carrying booze... i'm a big fan of aldi's booze as stated above at 5 bucks a bottle for an oak aged tempranillo.  fish eye shiraz is a good value... as is woodbridge zin... which will go on sale in the the double bottle for 8-10 buck once a month at my grocery store
No Grocery store here... Have to make it to the goverment run stores and pay the prices that they think.  No compititon. Prices are high everywhere.  The current goverment just decided that we should "privaitize" sales... This means that private stores can now sell, but they cannot be in a grocery store, they can only sell approved brands(the ones the goverment stores get) and they have to buy them from the government stores, who will give something like 17% off the publice prices, which basicly forces no comeptition again...

I wish that Saskatchewan would get out of the 1920's... proabition is over.

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2014, 02:55:58 PM »
i can see the issues with grocery stores not carrying booze... i'm a big fan of aldi's booze as stated above at 5 bucks a bottle for an oak aged tempranillo.  fish eye shiraz is a good value... as is woodbridge zin... which will go on sale in the the double bottle for 8-10 buck once a month at my grocery store
No Grocery store here... Have to make it to the goverment run stores and pay the prices that they think.  No compititon. Prices are high everywhere.  The current goverment just decided that we should "privaitize" sales... This means that private stores can now sell, but they cannot be in a grocery store, they can only sell approved brands(the ones the goverment stores get) and they have to buy them from the government stores, who will give something like 17% off the publice prices, which basicly forces no comeptition again...

I wish that Saskatchewan would get out of the 1920's... proabition is over.

My friend at those prices you should be setting up a still.   Probably for around 300-400 US you could be distilling some very nice spirits for virtually free.  I didn't realize the Government was so heavy handed on booze in Canada.   

I live in Missouri which is the most Liberal state in the US with regards to alcohol sales.   You can latterly buy a case of Natty Light for 12 bucks US here 7 days a week at groceries and liquor stores.   I think they restrict sales between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. for some reason?   And of course for like 8 hours on election days.   

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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2014, 06:39:18 PM »
The only liquor laws in Missouri on sales to my knowledge are you can't buy before 9 am on Sundays. Which blows if you want to tailgate a game but you get used to harsh laws like that living here

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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2014, 06:43:50 PM »
We started doing the same thing.

Has anyone else tried the "three buck Chuck" at Trader Joes?  Some are quite respectable, although I confess not to being a wine snob of any type.

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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2014, 06:49:29 PM »
I'm not a wine snob by any means but I'm also not a fan of any of the chucks. I am good they came out with a red zin thats very good so I need to try that

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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2014, 07:21:55 PM »
The Alchemist and I used to spend about $75-$100 a month on alcohol but have recently cut it out completely, save "special occasions". I do miss it occasionally, but I definitely feel MUCH better without it.

My weakness is whiskey. I burn through that stuff way too fast. If I bought as much as I could drink, I'd be looking at 3-4L a month, and that's not going to do ANY good whatsoever.

Beer is the only thing I'll allow myself to buy for these nebulous special occasions going forward. Very hard to put down more than 2 filling microbrews.

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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2014, 07:22:57 PM »
Have implemented this in our house as well. I'm allowed a budget of $10 per week for wine (2x $5 bottles) so I don't feel deprived.

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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2014, 05:32:03 AM »
Regarding box wine...10 years ago it was the butt of a lot of jokes.  Now, it's actually pretty good, very drinkable.  We like Black Box, especially the chardonnay.

Black Box Malbec here. think its about $17 for 3l - just over $4 a bottle. That's so staying in my new budget!!!

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2014, 07:18:59 AM »
I know Friday is a week day but is Friday night a weekend?  I've made every week night so far.  Lol

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2014, 08:19:52 AM »
Great job! I have stopped keeping alcohol at home, thinking that the temptation for a nightcap was too high. Now if I have people over I'll get something, or I'll wait until I am out with friends.

The biggest realization for me was that I don't need to drink to have a good time. I am perfectly happy hanging out at a bar without any alcohol, which in addition to costing less money and reducing my empty caloric intake, provides that I also have a clear head when I drove home, and a more pleasant night's sleep.

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2014, 10:59:12 AM »
i consider friday and saturday nights weekends and sunday a week night.  and the upcoming holiday screws that up ... so sunday is an extra weekend night now so i will probably drink 3 nights this week

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2014, 11:35:48 AM »
i consider friday and saturday nights weekends and sunday a week night.  and the upcoming holiday screws that up ... so sunday is an extra weekend night now so i will probably drink 3 nights this week

Thanks for clarifying that --- so we are all good to drink for 3 nights then!  lol   What about days?  It is a holiday weekend, so I would think there would be some give on the night vs. day thing? 

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2014, 01:58:03 PM »
Yeah night day. Who cares

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2014, 06:55:41 PM »
I won't be joining you in this, sorry. I need my week night wine. At least, until I retire.

I go thorough 1.5 - 2  bottles a week, just me. This worries me a little and it's not the money.

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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2014, 08:36:32 PM »
I won't be joining you in this, sorry. I need my week night wine. At least, until I retire.

I go thorough 1.5 - 2  bottles a week, just me. This worries me a little and it's not the money.
you seem to be perfectly in line with the surgeon general recommendations.

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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2014, 08:55:49 PM »
1.5 -2 bottles a week is still less than I consume not drinking during the week.

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2014, 06:13:46 AM »
I need my week night wine.

Don't let a substance own you. We drank a lot for "decompression" but alcohol is NOT a stress reliever.

If it truly worries you, take a month without it. Chances are you will feel better. I certainly do, and I loved alcohol so much I used to run a beer and wine review blog.

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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2014, 10:06:58 PM »
Regarding box wine...10 years ago it was the butt of a lot of jokes.  Now, it's actually pretty good, very drinkable.  We like Black Box, especially the chardonnay.

I tried the Black Box Cab. I wanted to see if it was drinkable. It is, but I wouldn't want a lot of it. I wanted to see if it delivered the equal of 4 bottles, and it it did.

It would be good for a party.

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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2014, 08:24:35 AM »
So the weekend went well.  No booze Friday or Saturday.  Sunday was beach day which required a few drinks.   I then reassumed my Saturday, albeit Sunday night now,  back deck, relax night with a few drinks.  Started out with vodka and water but soon discovered my wife had stashed some cold beers in the secret fridge.  Darn!  I decided to have a few beers.   So I need to recalibrate my "year without beer" program and restart.  Either that or rename it the "year with only an occasional beer" program. lol

 On September 9 I'm starting the no alcohol September in conjunction with the "Whole 30" challenge.  Should be fun times.   So far the no booze weeknights hasn't been much effort.   I will need a replacement behavior for the Saturday deck tradition.  I can clearly see that! 

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2014, 09:20:45 AM »
Wonder if I can sell the Sweetie on no booze Sun-Thu?  Worth a try...plus should help us knock off a few pounds.

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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2014, 09:46:52 AM »
I finally remembered to look for the box wine at my local Publix yesterday.  $22 for a 3L Bota Box.  I think they had Black Box for about $20.  I would assume Total Wine would have a better deal.  Costco is still king for wine prices around here though.

$5.50/bottle wasn't enough to tempt me, but if I find it cheaper I may give it a try.  I'd hate to end up with 3L of something I don't want to drink.  I can easily find $5.50/bottle cheap wines that only risk 750ml at a time!

FWIW, I don't think I would bother going cheap with a box Cab.  That varietal tends to be better at higher price points.  Unless you've never had a good Cab, then you can be blissfully unaware.

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Re: no weeknight alcohol
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2014, 11:03:45 AM »
This is a step for sure!

My other half doesn't drink.  I tend to have a couple of beers at social occasions, but man can I down Jack and other such things in binges!

I started by not having it in the house.  Why?  too easy to just 'have a nice cocktail', nearly every day.  That's a ton of calories (I like 'em strong).  Even easier after you have one to have 2!  Of course I like it mixed with nice, nutritious soda....so you can see why I wanted to trim it.

We're going on a cruise with friends we tend to save up for every few years .  I will surely have a few drinks on said cruise, but not enough to justify the $650 package whic you can only buy per cabin, not per person.   (side note, we've promised not to again until there's 0 debt and 50k NW.  It is a very 'fancypants' vacation)

I also try not to have much if I go clubbing or something.  That's another one where it's way too easy to ruin a ton of workouts with a night of misbehaving.


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Re: no weeknight alcohol
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2014, 11:05:49 AM »
Bota in my area is $18.

A better deal, I can't remember the brand name, but the wines are "cardinal zin" and "Pinot evil". Both are excellent drinking and are $15 for 3L.

I personally find Cabernet disgusting at just about any price range.

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Re: no weeknight alcohol
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2014, 11:32:32 AM »
Bota in my area is $18.

A better deal, I can't remember the brand name, but the wines are "cardinal zin" and "Pinot evil". Both are excellent drinking and are $15 for 3L.

I personally find Cabernet disgusting at just about any price range.

Sub-$4/"bottle"...now you're talking!  An excellent drinking cheap Pinot...  hmm...haven't experienced one of those but I'm willing to gamble $4.  We love both Zin and Pinot.  All of the cheap Pinot's we've tried have tasted...cheap.  Please post up if you have specifics on one worth the gamble. 

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Re: no weeknight alcohol
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2014, 07:56:38 PM »
That boxed Pinot is the only cheap one I've found that was any good, and it's quite good. It's been a while since my connoisseur days, but equal to something in the $10/bottle range to my palate for sure.