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I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« on: October 03, 2015, 03:09:48 PM »
Yeah yeah, I know the general opinion of this forum goes along the lines of "cars are for clowns!", but I am totally not getting rid of my 10-year-old Nissan. I love my bike, but my car is paid off, only has 50k miles on it, and I am going to keep that sucker until it DIES.

I am also a firm believer in taking care of my possessions, especially my car. I have kept it clean through spendy touchless car washes (avoids scratches!) and have detailed and waxed occasionally. I can hear heads exploding now!

Anyways, I decided to stop all that junk. I took some time recently to educate myself on the proper way to wash a car myself and avoid putting any scratches into the clear coat. I learned the proper techniques to detail the exterior properly afterwards, including claying, removing dried sap/bird poo/bugs, treating, and waxing. I learned how to clean my wheels all nice, take care of my leather interior, and protect my paint in the winter.
After all of the learnin', I bought the supplies I would need and got to work. It took hours, but my car is spotless, smooth, and protected from this winter's upcoming salt.

I probably spent about $300 worth of car detailing chemicals, waxes, microfiber, etc (since I started with nothing), but after a single wash and detail of my car and my husband's, I will have saved at least that much on getting them professionally done (like I would have before). And I will still have enough left over to do both vehicles twice over again before needed to restock on any one chemical.

I can still hear heads exploding.

C'mon guys, this is a victory for me! I can remain obsessed about taking care of my possessions, but I will never buy a wash or detail again.



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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 03:52:35 PM »
Well done!

I absolutely detest washing and waxing my car. But I still do it myself (godt to love YouTube). I drive it to work. I could bike. Don't want to. (I also don't want to retire early or be a stay at home mom: I love my work!)

Plus: there is something to be said for the satisfaction of looking at a sparkly clean car all cared for by oneself.

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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 04:30:04 PM »
Did you clay the windows and apply rainex?

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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 04:34:01 PM »
Did you clay the windows and apply rainex?

Nope! Apparently I have more to learn. I was so focused on paint/wheels/interior/plastic that I neglected to educate myself on cleaning/maintaining windows and chromed plastics. Do you like the results?

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2015, 04:58:58 PM »
I tried that clay bar business last year when I first heard of it.  It didn't seem to do anything. I even did it twice just to make sure. I wash my car all the time and even use that liquid spray on wax between big wax jobs. Maybe my car is so clean anyway the clay bar was already beyond the  point of diminishing returns?

Did it appear to spiff up your car and did you see it actually pulling micro dirt out of the finish?

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 05:03:17 PM »
Did you clay the windows and apply rainex?

Nope! Apparently I have more to learn. I was so focused on paint/wheels/interior/plastic that I neglected to educate myself on cleaning/maintaining windows and chromed plastics. Do you like the results?

And have you clocked all the fasteners?   Not just the lug nuts/bolts - that's the lowest hanging fruit.   Remember- hose clamps need to have the adjusters identically aligned around the joint and the drive screw slots indexed to vertical or horizontal, but not both willy-nilly.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 06:14:25 PM »
I tried that clay bar business last year when I first heard of it.  It didn't seem to do anything. I even did it twice just to make sure. I wash my car all the time and even use that liquid spray on wax between big wax jobs. Maybe my car is so clean anyway the clay bar was already beyond the  point of diminishing returns?

Did it appear to spiff up your car and did you see it actually pulling micro dirt out of the finish?

I noticed HELLA difference after claying the entire exterior. My vehicle definitely accumulates dried tree sap, stuck-on bird poo remnants, adhered bug splats, and road grime fairly quickly in my area, and this stuff doesn't come off with a wash. While claying I could see and feel most of it coming off! I went through half a clay bar (thats a lot!) because it kept getting so dirty and nasty and black.

I think your car was so nice and clean that you must not have noticed it doing anything ; )


And have you clocked all the fasteners?   Not just the lug nuts/bolts - that's the lowest hanging fruit.   Remember- hose clamps need to have the adjusters identically aligned around the joint and the drive screw slots indexed to vertical or horizontal, but not both willy-nilly.
Nope! Beyond checking oil and fluids and air filters, maintenance is pretty new to me too. I don't think I have ever clocked fasteners or checked hose clamps or done like, anything else!

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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 06:37:24 PM »

I probably spent about $300 worth of car detailing chemicals, waxes, microfiber, etc (since I started with nothing), but after a single wash and detail of my car and my husband's, I will have saved at least that much on getting them professionally done (like I would have before). And I will still have enough left over to do both vehicles twice over again before needed to restock on any one chemical.

I can still hear heads exploding.

C'mon guys, this is a victory for me! I can remain obsessed about taking care of my possessions, but I will never buy a wash or detail again.

Yeah my head's exploding.   We wash our cars maybe once a year if we think of it.   We use dish soap and rags.   But nothing bad has ever happened to our cars.  They're old but still look great.   They're not rusted or scratched, or...I don't get it.   What's the $300 advantage?

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 08:20:31 PM »

I probably spent about $300 worth of car detailing chemicals, waxes, microfiber, etc (since I started with nothing), but after a single wash and detail of my car and my husband's, I will have saved at least that much on getting them professionally done (like I would have before). And I will still have enough left over to do both vehicles twice over again before needed to restock on any one chemical.

I can still hear heads exploding.

C'mon guys, this is a victory for me! I can remain obsessed about taking care of my possessions, but I will never buy a wash or detail again.

Yeah my head's exploding.   We wash our cars maybe once a year if we think of it.   We use dish soap and rags.   But nothing bad has ever happened to our cars.  They're old but still look great.   They're not rusted or scratched, or...I don't get it.   What's the $300 advantage?

The advantage is that I can still be anal about the care of my husband's and my car's body and paint without paying people to do it for me at $250 per vehicle every 6-12 months. Plus I can avoid the $15 touchless car wash now (which I would use every few months, but more for salty roads in the winter).

Most people don't really care about their vehicles paint jobs and that is fine, but I get I sick satisfaction from having a showroom-quality paint job. My goal is to have this car another 20 years and not have a single speck of rust! I swear I feel like one of those car-obsessed teenage boys.

Careful with rags: they'll trap dirt particles so when you rub them around your car, you'll put scratches into the clear coat cause "swirls". I would at least recommend a microfiber rag or mitt and a 2-bucket system for people who want to keep those micro scratches to a minimum.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 08:41:58 PM »
Does anyone know a website that sets out the steps for this? Thsnks

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 09:12:13 PM »
Does anyone know a website that sets out the steps for this? Thsnks

Autogeek has a lot of instructional articles, so does the wolfgangcarcare site. They both have videos I learned a lot from, though both sites are trying to sell their products. Also youtube and some good old fashioned google

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 09:29:26 PM »
The advantage is that I can still be anal about the care of my husband's and my car's body and paint without paying people to do it for me at $250 per vehicle every 6-12 months. Plus I can avoid the $15 touchless car wash now (which I would use every few months, but more for salty roads in the winter).

Most people don't really care about their vehicles paint jobs and that is fine, but I get I sick satisfaction from having a showroom-quality paint job. My goal is to have this car another 20 years and not have a single speck of rust! I swear I feel like one of those car-obsessed teenage boys.

$250 every 6-12 months!   Holy shit!   I had no idea that people spend this much money on this...

Careful with rags: they'll trap dirt particles so when you rub them around your car, you'll put scratches into the clear coat cause "swirls". I would at least recommend a microfiber rag or mitt and a 2-bucket system for people who want to keep those micro scratches to a minimum.

Except they haven't caused any noticeable damage, nor have I ever when washing any previous cars in the past.   Have you actually ever observed this, or just "heard" that it could happen?  I would guess many people clean like I do and I don't walk around seeing swirly cars.  Perhaps there's some degree of theoretical risk, but is it a very likely real risk as far as causing truly noticeable/consequential damage?   Or perhaps it was a risk in the past, but current clear coat technology has diminished it?    I really wonder how much of this is fear-based stuff that circulate partly propagated by auto cleaning related industries and partly by people who want to justify the extreme "care" (aka money they spend) on/for their cars.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2015, 07:23:41 AM »
Sounds like you have a shiny, good looking vehicle all the time:)
Here is what I have trouble with
1. What do you do when the paint is just about gone in places?
2. What is the best stuff to clean your headlights when they look filmy?

My car doesn't always get the TLC it should, but last Christmas I had my car detailed for the first time ever. Then I paid 30 bucks to have a rotten dangly fabric visor cover replaced, bought a bottle of rain-X (did you know there are two different kinds:) and an air freshener and I was done for the year.

I am about to attempt to sew up a split seam in the upholstery - if it doesn't work I'll use duct tape and buy a seat cover instead. Only other cosmetic stuff was replacing the interior fabric, after it began hanging down.

My baby is 17 years old now, at 112,000 miles and running fine - I consider that a very good thing.   

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 08:32:43 AM »
Did you clay the windows and apply rainex?

Nope! Apparently I have more to learn. I was so focused on paint/wheels/interior/plastic that I neglected to educate myself on cleaning/maintaining windows and chromed plastics. Do you like the results?

Rain-x is worth every penny in my opinion. I love the product and have been using it for like 10+ years now.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 10:53:32 AM »
Duct tape for the win!  My lawn tractor seat is held together with duct tape - they cost a fortune to replace!  I wear long pants when I use it (safety), so no bare skin on duct tape even in super hot weather.

We get enough rain that I rarely wash my car.  It lives in the unheated garage so not too much weather damage.  I will take it through a car wash in spring to get the salt off the undercarriage.  An unheated garage means not too much salt chemical activity in winter, fortunately, we have a lot of road salt here. 

I find a damp micro-fiber cloth is really good for getting nose prints off the window glass.  My dog loves the car  ;-)



I am about to attempt to sew up a split seam in the upholstery - if it doesn't work I'll use duct tape and buy a seat cover instead. Only other cosmetic stuff was replacing the interior fabric, after it began hanging down.


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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2015, 12:59:37 PM »
I have been doing this for a good long while now and have put a good bit of money into the supplies. This was partially before I was fully mustacian but even now I would purchase whatever car care supplies that I run out of again in order to maintain the cars owned by my family and I. It is not necessarily the most mustacian thing to do but it does allow car enthusiasts to maintain some form of mustacism while still owning something that is not from the standard mustacian car catalog.

My main motivation is to care for all my possessions in order to maintain the monetary as well as the enjoyment value they possessed as a new product. I have done thousands of dollars worth of work on all kinds of cars ranging from brand new to 28 years old and ranging from $2,000-80,000 and regardless of the car the results are always nothing short of spectacular. No matter the car, I would still very much enjoy stepping into a clean, gleaming beauty rather than a car that was peeling clearcoat/paint and a had cracked faded interior.

Car enthusiasts gain a lot of their joy out of having a beautiful car, and if they could keep a car looking better than it did in the dealership showroom for decades then they would never be tempted to replace it. Also, if they could buy an old car, restore it, and keep that for many years then they could save even more money.

Does anyone know a website that sets out the steps for this? Thsnks

http://www.autogeek.net/
This is my favorite website... It has a very useful forum, a store with competitive prices, and a ton of guides written by experts available for free.

Sounds like you have a shiny, good looking vehicle all the time:)
Here is what I have trouble with
1. What do you do when the paint is just about gone in places?
2. What is the best stuff to clean your headlights when they look filmy?

1) Unfortunately once the paint starts to bubble up or peel there is not a whole lot you can do besides a new paint job. Hoewever, anything you do from now on will at least prevent it from getting worse. Besides making a car look nice, the other major goal of detailing is the prevention of damage by protecting the paint from the elements.

2) Those rub on products you see on TV are not going to do the job well or permanently. The headlights look faded or filmy because of oxidation of the surface of the plastic. You need to get rid of this upper layer of plastic material. There are kits that include sanding discs, polishing pads, and compounds that you can use with a drill to take off the oxidation then progressively bring it back to the brand new polished surface. It takes a good bit of work and I would plan for about 1hr to do this job the first time on both headlights. Make sure to thoroughly tape around the edges of the headlights so you don't accidentally harm the paint around them. I would also recommend a corded drill because your batteries will run out.

$250 every 6-12 months!   Holy shit!   I had no idea that people spend this much money on this...

It has a high startup cost... but it absolutely does not cost anywhere near $250 to do a DIY detail.
I can do a full 8hr detail on a car that would cost $500-$1000 and only incur at most maybe $25-50 in non-labor costs

Yeah my head's exploding.   We wash our cars maybe once a year if we think of it.   We use dish soap and rags.   But nothing bad has ever happened to our cars.  They're old but still look great.   They're not rusted or scratched, or...I don't get it.   What's the $300 advantage?

If you don't care about your car's looks then it is not an advantage. However, DIY detailing is a huge order of magnitude cheaper than paying to get a proper detail job done for people who would normally pay for it. It is the type of job where you can purchase all the materials you will ever need for the cost of getting it done one time.


If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me. I consider myself very experienced in this field.
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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2015, 01:22:21 PM »
Careful with rags: they'll trap dirt particles so when you rub them around your car, you'll put scratches into the clear coat cause "swirls". I would at least recommend a microfiber rag or mitt and a 2-bucket system for people who want to keep those micro scratches to a minimum.

Except they haven't caused any noticeable damage, nor have I ever when washing any previous cars in the past.   Have you actually ever observed this, or just "heard" that it could happen?  I would guess many people clean like I do and I don't walk around seeing swirly cars.  Perhaps there's some degree of theoretical risk, but is it a very likely real risk as far as causing truly noticeable/consequential damage?   Or perhaps it was a risk in the past, but current clear coat technology has diminished it?    I really wonder how much of this is fear-based stuff that circulate partly propagated by auto cleaning related industries and partly by people who want to justify the extreme "care" (aka money they spend) on/for their cars.

I think you guys are talking on different levels of car maintenance. ImproveEveryday is correct, dirty rags can put swirls into a car's clearcoat. As you mentioned, these swirls aren't dangerous. All they do is scatter the light, which makes the car appear less shiny. Most people who polish their car are going for a mirror shine, and swirls make these folks bonkers.

If all you want to do is keep the car clean, but not necessarily polished then dirtier rags are a-okay. You will get swirls, but who cares.

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2015, 04:56:49 PM »

Except they haven't caused any noticeable damage, nor have I ever when washing any previous cars in the past.   Have you actually ever observed this, or just "heard" that it could happen?  I would guess many people clean like I do and I don't walk around seeing swirly cars.  Perhaps there's some degree of theoretical risk, but is it a very likely real risk as far as causing truly noticeable/consequential damage?   Or perhaps it was a risk in the past, but current clear coat technology has diminished it?    I really wonder how much of this is fear-based stuff that circulate partly propagated by auto cleaning related industries and partly by people who want to justify the extreme "care" (aka money they spend) on/for their cars.

Just about 100% of the cars you see in a parking lot are covered in swirl marks.  The effect is more subtle than you are probably imagining it is.

It is easiest to notice on a black car.

Polishing a car to this level is for appearance and satisfaction (to those who care), not to protect the car.  However, basic washing, waxing, and claying to ensure the removal of embedded debris all will help prolong the paint finish on the car, and therefore can be thought of in quantitiative measures.

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2015, 12:34:10 PM »
Wife has a black car ----- I spent a lot of time detailing her and my cars this weekend --- a lot!    The frustrating thing was the hard water spots that were impossible to remove even with buffing.  Even our windows were spotted and darn near impossible to polish to spot free. 

Has anyone tried an inline hard water filter?  http://www.autogeek.net/clinhofi.html

I'm tempted to buy one of these if they actually work?

Regardless -- I'm happy with the way our cars look today.   It has been a year since the last detailing.   I have intentions of doing them every fall spring and summer but I seems that I am lazier than I admit.

What about polishing with a high speed buffer?  Anyone ever strip their wax and polish away to remove swirl marks and create a mirror finish on a black vehicle?

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2015, 10:56:09 PM »
What about polishing with a high speed buffer?  Anyone ever strip their wax and polish away to remove swirl marks and create a mirror finish on a black vehicle?

A high speed buffer is a wonderful tool for burning through your car's paint.

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2015, 07:59:45 AM »
Bob - try 0000 grade steel wool on the water spots on the windows, along with some window cleaner (Windex is fine). Don't use this on any painted surfaces. Takes some elbow grease but it works. To prevent water spotting on glass, try to wash the car in the shade, and don't let water air dry on it.

Orbital polishers will not burn through paint unless you're really sloppy or trying to do that. Very safe, work very well for polishing paint and removing swirls and light scratches. I use a Porter Cable with a variety of foam pads.

Black paint is difficult to keep swirl free. Definitely use the two bucket method for washing, and I recommend using grit guards in both buckets (Google it).

Lots of info online on this stuff. Auto geek and the Meguiar forum have good summaries.  I've found that Meguiar's consumer line of products works well, and is pretty cheap - Walmart carries some, and Amazon sells bundled kits that are a good way to get started. I'm partial to polymer liquid waxes, as I find they are fast to apply and last longer than carnauba based waxes.

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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2015, 08:19:53 AM »
Bob - try 0000 grade steel wool on the water spots on the windows, along with some window cleaner (Windex is fine). Don't use this on any painted surfaces. Takes some elbow grease but it works. To prevent water spotting on glass, try to wash the car in the shade, and don't let water air dry on it.

Orbital polishers will not burn through paint unless you're really sloppy or trying to do that. Very safe, work very well for polishing paint and removing swirls and light scratches. I use a Porter Cable with a variety of foam pads.

Black paint is difficult to keep swirl free. Definitely use the two bucket method for washing, and I recommend using grit guards in both buckets (Google it).

Lots of info online on this stuff. Auto geek and the Meguiar forum have good summaries.  I've found that Meguiar's consumer line of products works well, and is pretty cheap - Walmart carries some, and Amazon sells bundled kits that are a good way to get started. I'm partial to polymer liquid waxes, as I find they are fast to apply and last longer than carnauba based waxes.

Thanks for the tips.  I did wash in the shade.  Apparently I have very hard water.  What about the in line filters?  Anyone have experience with these?

I'll try the liquid polymer next time.   I started with a gel polymer but it hardened quickly and was very streaky.  I had some liquid Turtle that I switched to.  Quick and consistent.   I should have used a shammy to remove the water before it dried. 

Having a bit of fun with this on a glorious weekend reminded me of the old days when I was obsessed with my shiny red Miata.  That baby was awesome.   I detailed it on weekends for fun.     I actually bought the car in November used and sold it 1.5 years later in the spring for more than I paid for it.   

So yeah,  good trick for mustachians --- Buy used convertibles (always red) in the early winter.   Sell them 1.5 years later  in the early spring for a profit.  Well it worked for me at least. 

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Re: I learned how to properly wash and detail my vehicle
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2015, 02:42:28 PM »
Has anyone tried an inline hard water filter?  http://www.autogeek.net/clinhofi.html

I'm tempted to buy one of these if they actually work?

Everyone has some degree of hard water but not many detailers actually splurge on this to prevent spotting. The trick is to not let the water dry on the car. If you don't let water dry on the car and you hand dry the car with a microfiber towel then you won't get water spotting. once i'm done with washing but before I start drying I spray the whole car one last time to resoak the car... I then make sure to pull it into a garage/shade so water doesn't dry so quickly, I then dry it with microfiber drying towels and never have spotting isssues save for a few spots where water drips from mirrors but I keep the towel around while i'm doing other stuff and dry those afterward. Also, if you are going to continue to further detail the car afterward then the water spots will come out during the other steps of paint care.

Complete Paint Care Steps: (Compound and polish only as needed depending on oxidation/swirls/scratches)
WASH ==> DRY ==> CLAY ==> COMPOUND ==> POLISH ==> SEALANT/WAX

What about polishing with a high speed buffer?  Anyone ever strip their wax and polish away to remove swirl marks and create a mirror finish on a black vehicle?
A machine compound/polish with a dual action random orbital buffer (not a rotary buffer) is really the only way to go. You will never get the results by hand unless you have a 5 day weekend and 50hrs to spend on that step.

I think you are confused thinking that the wax/polish is a part of the paint. polish is a very finely abrasive compound that brings the surface to a mirror shine and is wiped off after buffing that section. Wax is a protective coating that bonds on top of the paint but is easily removed if you are trying to. In order to do any paint correction work the wax is most definitely removed. Most auto shampoos are designed not to strip wax but if you start polishing with a machine or use something like Dawn to wash your car that wax or any other coatings will come off in a second... but then you reapply a new wax or sealant afterward. Also, waxes and other sealants slowly come off with time and should be reapplied. You can tell when there is no longer any coating on the paint by when it stops beading up water.
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