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The student has become the master. My DH has significantly surpassed me on the path to badassity! Not that it’s a contest, but if it were… he’s kicking my butt! And it's awesome! But it wasn’t always this way.

DH Before:
-   Bought lunch every weekday
-   Ate dinners out 1-3 times a week
-   Went to concerts or movies at least once a week
-   Purchased books
-   Wanted brand-new furniture ($$$)
-   Didn’t know about investing / didn’t care
-   Was comfortable with debt (“it’ll get paid off eventually”)
-   Thought nothing of vacation expenses ($$$)
-   Didn’t have a budget

DH Now:
-   Buys lunch maybe once a week
-   Eats dinners out 1-3 times per month
-   Concerts and movies are more carefully chosen, probably 3 times a month
-   Books are from the library, now
-   Furniture is purchased second-hand (major savings when you’re not buying lifetime furniture!)
-   Read “A Random Walk Down Wall Street” – devoured it, loved it, enacted it. Opened up RBC direct investing and is saving all his “fun money” for investing!
-   Is NOT comfortable with debt, and now is horrified when his coworkers say “It’ll get paid off eventually”
-   Carefully weighs vacation costs, goes on “staycations”
-   Has a budget, and uses mint

What worked for us:

-   At the beginning, I made the lunches for my DH. He’d bring it and eat it if I made it. Over time, this turned into us just making a bigger dinner than usual and eating the leftovers for lunch. Easy, peasy!
-   Eating out is more fun if you do it less often. It makes it more of a treat that way! We also sometimes just go out and share an appetizer. That way we get the atmosphere and the outing, without the cost. MMM posts had a lot to do with this change.
-   I’m a librarian. Books come from the library, not amazon. ‘Nuff said!
-   Think you need new furniture? Just LOOK on craigslist and kijji. See what you can find. You might be surprised! My DH was very pleasantly surprised.
-   I put “A Random Walk Down Wall Street” into DH’s hands. Told him, “I think you’ll like this book”. He did.
-   I introduced DH to the debt is a “hair on fire” emergency concept. Explained how much we’re throwing away in interest. He got the picture. And speaking of pictures – I made a variety of debt repayment charts. Our current one is a bar graph taped to the wall, but one I made in the past was a money tree: every time he packed a lunch to work, I taped a leaf that said $8 on it, onto the money tree. Watch it grow! Lol.
-   I planned some pretty epic staycations.
-   I suggested mint, and DH LOVES it. Sometimes exposure is all you need.

I have to point out that these changes took about two years. At the beginning, it was really exposing him to stuff that I found interesting or that was in line with my values. I am so happy and proud of him, he has come SUCH a long way and we are a fantastic team. I found that leading by example and also by making it as easy for him as possible (i.e. making his lunch) was very helpful. Also, picking your battles. He still has a phone plan that would make most mustachians cringe, but hey – you gotta give a little sometimes. I hope this post helps people that are frustrated with a spouse. Be patient. And warning: your SO might become better than you! My DH is now the one keeping me in line ;) I never would’ve seen that coming!

I hope it goes without saying that the MMM community was a big part of these changes. Threads in the forum, and posts on the main site had a big effect on both of us. Sometimes I would print one out and put it on his pillow so he could read it before bed. Thank you to everyone here who takes the time to share ideas and best practices. We have taken our collective debt from $100,000 to $19,000 in the past three years. This has been HUGE for us and would not have been as possible without the support we have received here. Thank you.

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Re: Trouble getting your spouse on board? Here's what worked for me.
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 12:21:47 PM »
This is totally awesome lifejoy :) Your DH is doing awesome, and so are you! Remember back to your first few posts and what struggles you were having? You have totally shifted your life - you are totally rockin' it :)

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 12:23:21 PM »
LIKE!

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 12:28:20 PM »
This is totally awesome lifejoy :) Your DH is doing awesome, and so are you! Remember back to your first few posts and what struggles you were having? You have totally shifted your life - you are totally rockin' it :)

I was thinking about that as I made this post! I haven't actually cruised over to my journal and looked at them (haha I don't like being faced with the past - live in the present!) but I do think it's important to acknowledge how far we've come. It feels really good and I hope it can provide some hope for those that feel like their spouse will never change. My DH said to me the other day, "people don't change" and I stared at him, mouth agape, and was like... "Uhhhh are you kidding? You have made HUGE changes and you are badass!"

Moral of the story: people can change. If they want to.

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 12:32:21 PM »
I'll toss one in that worked for us.  A built up spreadsheet with a compound interest calculator.  I first imported our expenses from the bank/cc for a month, sorted it out into a pie chart, second tab I showed how much we were currently saving/investing (my husband doesn't even remember the password to our bank account most days) and measured that out to what it would be worth over 30 years.  Next, I flipped over to handy dandy pie chart, and said what if we cut out eating out in the past month we could have added Y amount...then I updated the calculator to show.  We went over expenses for an hour like that, adding/removing things...once he saw that cutting out the crap meant like 150k over time he was nothing but game.  We won't ever use mint due to potential security concerns so the spreadsheet worked for us.

Food, can't agree with you more.  If I pack him lunch, and it has to be in his portion size, he'll take it for lunch.  If I don't pack anything, or it's packed in a big bowl with a couple of servings in it he buys lunch out...*sigh*  An extra minute after dinner won't kill me though..

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 07:32:19 PM »
If I pack him lunch, and it has to be in his portion size, he'll take it for lunch.  If I don't pack anything, or it's packed in a big bowl with a couple of servings in it he buys lunch out...*sigh*  An extra minute after dinner won't kill me though..

HA my husband is the opposite. If I pack him multiple servings, he'll eat it and be happy. If I pack him one normal serving, he'll eat it and get hungry again and buy something :-). Fast metabolism!

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 10:08:41 PM »
Oh!! Tell us more about your staycations? How do you make them so epic?

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 10:33:03 PM »
Threads in the forum, and posts on the main site had a big effect on both of us. Sometimes I would print one out and put it on his pillow so he could read it before bed.

This is brilliant.
Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 06:47:34 AM »

Oh!! Tell us more about your staycations? How do you make them so epic?

The one we had in Montreal was pretty great! We lived in Montreal, so we "travelled" to "FUNtreal"! The rules for our weekend staycation involved cell phones being off, and we were only allowed to go to places in Montreal that we had never been before. We shared a drink at a swanky hotel bar, went out for dinner, and stayed at a b&b only ten min away from our apartment.  We went to a cheap concert and to a few parks. Not having to pay for transportation to an exotic new locale was AWESOME. We have since done other staycations, and instead of paying for a night away we just super clean our apartment and put chocolates on the pillow.

Lately I've been planning themed staycations! We are going to go to "Japan" and "Hawaii". For "Japan" it will be sushi, karaoke, and a Japanese film. Hawaii is tropical fruit, spam, Hawaii five-o, the sauna in our building, and...? Who knows!

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 08:14:20 AM »

Oh!! Tell us more about your staycations? How do you make them so epic?

The one we had in Montreal was pretty great! We lived in Montreal, so we "travelled" to "FUNtreal"! The rules for our weekend staycation involved cell phones being off, and we were only allowed to go to places in Montreal that we had never been before. We shared a drink at a swanky hotel bar, went out for dinner, and stayed at a b&b only ten min away from our apartment.  We went to a cheap concert and to a few parks. Not having to pay for transportation to an exotic new locale was AWESOME. We have since done other staycations, and instead of paying for a night away we just super clean our apartment and put chocolates on the pillow.

Lately I've been planning themed staycations! We are going to go to "Japan" and "Hawaii". For "Japan" it will be sushi, karaoke, and a Japanese film. Hawaii is tropical fruit, spam, Hawaii five-o, the sauna in our building, and...? Who knows!

Great ideas! That sounds like something my wife would love, if we could pawn the kids off on the grandparents for a weekend.

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 08:33:50 AM »
lifejoy,

I am really happy for you. What a feeling that must be. People really can change, if they want to.

My boyfriend also shows real signs of embracing the push for FI. We haven't been together that long-- only ten months-- and he's 53. We all become more set in our ways as we get older, so at first I didn't push it. I figured as long as he wasn't interfering with my march toward FI, we were good. He doesn't have any debt and doesn't buy anything for himself, both of which are great. He is just fond of taking us out for dinner, weekends away and activities that cost money. He tends to spend whatever extra money he has doing that and not saving or investing much, and that's the way he's always been. I didn't pressure him to change because IMO that's one of the worst things someone in a new relationship can do. He wasn't costing me any money, and he was contributing some by doing things like yardwork and handyman stuff, so I figured I was ahead. I wouldn't like it if he pressured me to change something I was comfortable with, either. I just figured it would be my job to provide us both with early retirement. I'm happy to share.

However, he gradually got interested in the idea of FI after hearing me dream out loud about how many things I want to do in the world besides work. I also tend to "express my frustration" a lot regarding my lack of vacation. Last weekend he actually made a spreadsheet (started it, anyway) to find out when we'd be FI together. The spreadsheet includes his own projected contributions to the cause as well. While that's only talk, it is encouraging. I think he sees my vision of the future now, and is starting to like the idea of being FI and having time to enjoy more of the world while we're able to. The only question is how long we have to wait. If he puts some of his considerable earnings potential behind the effort, it will go much faster. I look forward to the future with a bright outlook.

Again, I congratulate you and feel I share some of the same joy as you. Go go go!

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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2015, 08:55:13 AM »
Humans are able to adapt to many different situations. However, it does take time. I think great things are possible if given a little bit of time to adapt.

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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2015, 10:02:22 PM »
I convinced my wife to shut the fridge door by putting a bar graph of our monthly electricity bill on the fridge.  It's set up to show a 10% reduction from last year.