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Halved income, doubled happiness!
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:46:14 PM »
In the past year my husband and I have halved our income and doubled our happiness.

Some background: a few years ago we were both late 20s, child-free, and earning respectable 6 figure engineering incomes. I was a software consultant, and I traveled for my job every week (can there be anything less mustachian than commuting *by plane*?). We made a lot of money, and we maxed out our 401ks, and we had a 6 month emergency fund, but other than that we mostly spent what we had.

We wanted a child, so we had a baby and decided that I would stop traveling. I never considered not working - we just assumed we would be perfectly happy putting our child in day care and both working (I have always enjoyed my job). I took 6 months off when our son was born, and then when my position was eliminated because I no longer wanted to travel I found a local job - that required a 30-45 minute commute each way. We live less than 2 miles from my husband's job - we bought our house to be close to his employer when I was traveling.

We spent a stress-filled unhappy year taking our son to daycare all day while I commuted downtown to work. Mornings were stressful getting both of us ready and getting our son ready, and we were so tired that our evening weren't much better. After a year I couldn't take it anymore, so I reached out to my network and ended up find an even better paying job that allowed me to work from home.

This totally removed my commute, but we still had our son in day care. This turned out to be stressful still - even without the commute, I regretted the time my son was away from me, and mornings were stressful because I was trying to get to work (for a company based 3 time zones earlier than me) while my husband was getting himself and my son ready.

We were still unhappy, so after a year of working from home I decided to step back from my job at work and take a lesser role, working part time (24 hours a week). This resulted in us having a 40% pay cut, but we only had to put our son in daycare for a few hours a day, and I had much less stress to deal with. Before we had a child we spent an embarrassingly large amount of money going out drinking, eating out, and traveling, so cutting that stuff out basically made the pay cut unnoticeable.

I started reading MMM around that time, and realized that we could have a totally different life. What if neither of us had to work at all? What if we could both spend our time doing whatever we wanted? We were so caught up in the lifestyle that we had, and that all of our friends had, that it was honestly a scenario that we never considered. My husband was pretty resistant to becoming more frugal, so I decided I had to model the choices I wanted him to make.

Now that I had more time, we cooked a lot more - which meant eating out a lot less. We spent far, far less money traveling, and far less money on clothes. I stopped going to the spa every month, and realized how insane my previous hair/skin/nails/etc routine used to be.

We decided that I would quit my job, and completely focus on spending time with our son. After some MMM inspiration, we sold our second car - we didn't need it. I didn't commute, and almost everything we needed (grocery store, community pool, library, hardware store) was within 2 miles of our house. I started using a bike trailer about a month ago, and it has been fantastic. We refinanced our mortgage and saved a bunch of money per month.

So in a nutshell, living more intentionally and less ridiculously, we have a happier life on half the money we used to have.

I still do about 10 hours of consulting a month, and we're able to just save this money. With our current earning and spending numbers, we estimate that we will be able to retire in 12 years when we're both 45. As our son gets older I will take on more work. But for now? We have an amazing life. We are ridiculously happy. And two years ago I would never have thought we could live on "so little".



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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 12:12:16 AM »
WOW. Well done!!

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 06:21:03 PM »
sounds like you made the right choice for your family.

I always think that if a family can live on one income and have all of their needs and SOME of their wants met then that is the way to go!!


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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 10:59:00 AM »
Congratulations to you and your husband on creating a life you love!

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »
Thanks everyone! :)

sounds like you made the right choice for your family.

I always think that if a family can live on one income and have all of their needs and SOME of their wants met then that is the way to go!!

Yes, this is so true! If I was still working full time could probably meet our FI goals earlier, and have more spending money - but it involves so many trade-offs in stress, poorer food choices, less exercise, less family time, that it's just not worth it to us.

Reading MMM and the forum posts here have really opened my eyes to how easily we are able to live on less money than we used to, and how thoughtlessly we used to spend what we had.



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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 11:06:20 AM »
I love hearing stories like this.  I'm still working full time with an eight month old but I'm hoping to take a step back and either stay at home full time or work part time when number two comes along.  Its unbelievably stressful to have two parents working full time and I'm not in the office everyday and my mother watches the baby one day a week. 

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2013, 01:31:59 PM »
I've been trying to tell that to my sis in law and the message is slowly sinking in, work more spend more, earn less spend less, this was my experience when I stopped working (due to no work) drove less and spent less, took a bit to get used to being home all day (wife works from home so not alone) but now I really enjoy it.

BTW working part time is good. It only to earn money but to keep your skills current should you ever decide to return to work

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 05:39:24 AM »
All I can add is AWESOME!

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 06:57:02 AM »
Congrats! Your story is similar to mine; my wife and I are both Software Developers, and she decided to take a few years off to spend with the kids while they were wee ones, and now she's eased back into the workforce with a part time job. I have to travel a lot for my job leaving me away for 1 week out of 3. We have the same rough timeline for retirement, which is about 45. (My spreadsheets all tell me 43 will do it, but I want a nice safety margin). So its especially great hearing your inspiring story! Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 09:40:52 AM »
Thanks everyone! :)

sounds like you made the right choice for your family.

I always think that if a family can live on one income and have all of their needs and SOME of their wants met then that is the way to go!!

Yes, this is so true! If I was still working full time could probably meet our FI goals earlier, and have more spending money - but it involves so many trade-offs in stress, poorer food choices, less exercise, less family time, that it's just not worth it to us.

Reading MMM and the forum posts here have really opened my eyes to how easily we are able to live on less money than we used to, and how thoughtlessly we used to spend what we had.

This is pretty awesome.  My spouse and I are both engineers.  However, I'm a bit lower on the salary scale - I live in So. Cal. so salaries for engineers are about 20% less than in the Bay Area or other major metropolitan areas.  (I didn't hit 6 figures until age 40.)

When my first son was born, I went back to work full time.  My boss was open to PT, but only if I took a "demotion", and I thought that was stupid.  Man, that winter was awful.  I was sick the entire winter.  Talk about stress.  I mean, from Nov 1 to March 31, I was fully healthy MAYBE 30 days total.

My boss left to start a new company and my new boss was fine with cutting to 75% and keeping my job as a supervisor.  That was awesome.  A bit later I ended up following the old boss to his new company, but stayed PT.

I did eventually go back to FT when my son was 3.  Then I had baby #2 last year.  I returned to work PT.  There was just no way I was going to work FT.  And my VP even offered to let me get the extra hours in at home.  This is great!  Except by the time I get both kids fed, in bed, etc., I am asleep (8:30 pm or 9).  Now, I should have taken him up on it because I am getting a FT job done in 80% of the time, but that's another topic.

Long story short, 2 parents working FT with children, PARTICULARLY infants and toddlers, sucks like nobody's business.  It's just not fun.  I do one drop-off and two pick-ups (the extra dropoff added 14 miles a day to my commuting).  I can't imagine working an extra 1.5 hours a day and getting home at 6 pm.

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 12:14:18 PM »
Awesome and excellent and inspiring. I wish, when our kids were little, that we could have had some Mustachian insight and done as well (we had Dave Ramsey insight and that wasn't so bad either).

Very cool.

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 12:09:48 PM »
Yay!  What an excellent way to live.  We had one parent part-time until our son was 16.  Much better way to live.

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Re: Halved income, doubled happiness!
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 01:35:45 PM »
Not to be a downer but do not see what is so great about this.

My wife hasn't worked in over 11 years so she could stay at home with the kids and I continue to work full time. Let me tell you, I am not celebrating about it.


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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 01:42:52 PM »
Not to be a downer but do not see what is so great about this.

My wife hasn't worked in over 11 years so she could stay at home with the kids and I continue to work full time. Let me tell you, I am not celebrating about it.

why?

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 01:45:06 PM »
Yay!  What an excellent way to live.  We had one parent part-time until our son was 16.  Much better way to live.

Hi Meadow Lark-As a parent with experience can you tell me how important it was to your family to have a parent at home when your kids were too old for daycare but still in school. Say around the 10-16 age? I think this is an important time in a child's life to have a parent at home when they come home from school for a variety of reasons. It's also the time I anticipate being home with my boys. Can you tell me if you found it helped keeping the kids out of trouble and adding comfort to their lives at such a turbulent time (tweens, teens)

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 08:28:13 PM »
When my first son was born, I went back to work full time.  My boss was open to PT, but only if I took a "demotion", and I thought that was stupid.  Man, that winter was awful.  I was sick the entire winter.  Talk about stress.  I mean, from Nov 1 to March 31, I was fully healthy MAYBE 30 days total.

Yes - this totally happened to us, too. My son and I were both sick constantly. It was very unpleasant! And we had to do the constant juggling act of deciding whether my husband or I could afford to miss more meetings, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 08:43:49 PM »
Not to be a downer but do not see what is so great about this.

My wife hasn't worked in over 11 years so she could stay at home with the kids and I continue to work full time. Let me tell you, I am not celebrating about it.

Well, I suppose every family is different. For us, when both my husband and I were working we had a lot of stress and conflict trying to manage both of our careers while trying to adjust to having a new baby as part of our family. We felt like our life and general happiness improved in a huge way when we decided to focus on one career, instead of two. We had similar salaries and similar advancement potential, so it could have been either of us. Does my husband love going into work every day? No, he doesn't. But he mostly enjoys it, and he certainly prefers our current situation to where we were a year or two ago.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2013, 08:13:43 AM »
Our situation is a little uncommon, in that we adopted our son at 9.  With school, and after school program we could have both worked, but I am so glad we didn't.  Running a house with children is a job, and it makes the whole family more stressed if all the work of that is added to full-time jobs.  Sure, sometimes it is necessary, or some people enjoy it, etc, but for us, we didn't want the exhaustion and chaos that comes from both people working full-time.  And yes, older kids benefit from having a parent around.  There are a million "emergencies" that will come up, lots of sickness, broken arms, heartaches. 

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2013, 08:55:54 PM »
Nice work!

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2013, 10:48:26 PM »
My husband was pretty resistant to becoming more frugal, so I decided I had to model the choices I wanted him to make.

That's such an important thing...

I used to whine and complain about my spouse's spending, but I wasn't running a tight ship myself.  I mean I wanted too, but why should I if they weren't willing to do the same.  One day, I decided it was time to lead by example...wow!  Combine that change with getting on YNAB and things really improved. 

Kudos to you for finding a way to make things work for your family you're happy with. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 10:52:08 AM »
My husband was pretty resistant to becoming more frugal, so I decided I had to model the choices I wanted him to make.

That's such an important thing...

I used to whine and complain about my spouse's spending, but I wasn't running a tight ship myself.  I mean I wanted too, but why should I if they weren't willing to do the same.  One day, I decided it was time to lead by example...wow!  Combine that change with getting on YNAB and things really improved. 

Kudos to you for finding a way to make things work for your family you're happy with.

Thank you!

And yes, I used to think the exact same thing - "why should I bother spending less money on X if he's still going to spend too much money on Y and Z?"

It was quite a mind-shift to deliberately make smart money decisions just for myself (and our family) without nagging him to make corresponding choices or "sacrifices". Once I actually accepted that and started to cheerfully make decisions to save money instead of unnecessarily spending it, he started to make those decisions too. Not quite as much as I like, of course, but we are both still works in progress. :)